We've been in the new Porsche 911 | Ti podcast 214
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- Dan Prosser and Andrew Frankel discuss the facelifted Porsche 911, which Andrew has ridden in at Weissach alongside a Porsche factory racing driver. The new 911 Carrera GTS is the first road-going hybrid 911 - but why has Porsche chosen to create a hybrid 911 and why is its hybrid system so different to any other such powertrain?
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Time Stamps would be cool guys
Well volunteered!
I used a roof rack on my 911. Went touring in Europe with my wife and daughter for nearly a month. Invaluable.
enjoy these podcasts … keep up the great work
Jumped in here quickly to hear your opinions.
Seems like such an interesting move to go hybrid.
Does the enthusiast want perfect response and even more weight?
Or does the customer they seek even identify as an enthusiast?
If anything I feel like the 991 has gotten more attractive. 😅
Car magazine stated that the GT3 won’t be exclusively non-hybrid. There was a March article, since gone, stating that the “992.2 would stick with the 4.0-litre flat-six, but with output increased from 503 to around 521hp. But then, after a maximum of 1500 cars are built, the 2026 GT3 will switch to a more efficient mild-hybrid naturally-aspirated 3.6-litre engine with identical outputs”.
Also C&D stated:
Internal documents we’ve seen indicate that the GTS and Turbo will ditch the 3.0- and 3.7-liter forced-induction flat-six engines of today for a new twin-turbocharged 3.6-liter unit. A naturally aspirated variant will eventually step in for the screaming 4.0-liter of the current GT3, GT3 RS, and S/T. Look for the 3.6-powered 992.2 GT3 to come online for the 2027 model year. The 992.2 Carrera and Carrera S models will keep the twin-turbo 3.0-liter engine for now, albeit with slight bumps in output.
The single turbo is enabled more thanks to the electric motor in the turbo than the hybrid system. A single big turbo would normally mean lots of lage because of the mechanical inertia of the turbo itself and being located further from the engine compared to smaller turbos essentially in the header. Putting an electric motor in the turbo means you can spin it up almost immediately upon throttle application, no need to wait for exhaust pressure to build etc. The hybrid also helps with torque fill etc, but you'd still get a pretty obvious secondary response when the single big turbo eventually lit up, so there would be a weird engine behaviour with some initial response followed by a second response when the big turbo woke up. It's both systems together that give the best result, but if you could only have one in terms of good response and drivability, it would be the electric turbo, not the hybrid.
I love the podcast. My only gripe is that it would be great if you could somehow reduce the dynamic range on the audio in post, so that the volume is a bit more consistent throughout. I turned the volume up as the conversation volume started getting too low for my taste and nearly had a heart attack at a few points. It's happened to me in lots of previous episodes, but it was never bad enough for me to comment. The most memorable coronary moment I had in this particular episode was at 30:31 with Andrew's "but anyway!".
Great podcast, guys ! You’re entertaining with no nonsense comments and contrary to some, you know what you are talking about. I was very interested to hear your thoughts about the 992.2 and the oncoming versions. Relieved to hear that the GT3 will remain NA with the (probable) option of the fabulous 6 speed manual gearbox. Porsche mustn’t abandon this possibility which incidentally seems to have more and more adepts, because it is one - if not the only - sports car brand to build one, at least at this level. (I wish Ferrari had kept this tradition alive !) 😎
Interesting speculation about the future of the manual gearbox in the 911. You mentioned the Carrera T--I'm wondering if Porsche even has plans for a 992.2 T.....seems like sale of the .1 was gone in a flash. Anyone have any insight?
The only problem with having 2 big turbos is the heat management. Surprised that they didn't downsize the Gts engine and use the hybrid to give the power back
20:57 The displacement is up 20% and the yet the output isn't. +5 HP and 0 lb/ft for the added complexity of a Turbo that needs a high voltage battery and a 27HP motor stuck to it.
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The fact that they aren't using it (in that configuration) as the base engine is a bit of a red flag too...
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So the +50HP & 30lb/ft must come from the 2nd motor that's attached to the PDK.
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I'm sure it gained a ton of power under the curve, but I'm not sure it's worth the added complexity of all this 👇
- a high voltage lithium ion battery (while also still needing a 12V Lithium battery)
- more ECUs and wiring
- any extra cooling needed
- two electric motors
--- 27HP electric motor between the compressor and exhaust housings (of the turbo)
--- 57HP and 110 lb/ft motor that's sandwiched in with the PDK (now an 8 speed instead of 7)
Rhe gt2rs 992.2 would be same engine as the new turbo s hybrid but 830hp m 1000nm
26:35 the essential what?? I didn't understand what was said.
"...the essential 'roof rack preparation' without which frankly there's no point buying a 911."
Sold my 911 992 Carrera S great car but to heavy for a sportscar..& although everyone says it’s the greatest drivers car I never really got on with the weight hanging out the back..
couldnt agree with you more. Ever since the 992 gen, the "normal" cars (Carrera, s, gts) just seem a bit "meh". Sound is meh, steering is meh, nothing like the GT cars. Either the normal cars got too soft or the gt cars got too good, either way, since we are talking about it from the owners perspective it is kinda sad to know that the highest version of the 911 which you can get (C2 GTS, since for gt and turbo you'd need 59244044 taycans to get an allocation) is kinda "meh". And considering the C2 GT2 is a 150k+ car I really wonder whether enthusiasts are better off just getting a McLaren/Ferrari for that money cause that moves the game on quite a bit further than I suspect an e-turbo will.
@@alexhughes5846 funnily enough i got a 2017 McLaren 570gt as the replacement 👍
981 S
Why the focus on the debate about two turbos or not on any future 911 turbo. My take is that the primary reasons for two turbos on the 992.1 was simply to reduce turbo lag (two smaller turbos spin up faster than one larger turbo), but with an electrically assisted turbo then one turbo is as good as two. So the discussion about one or two is redundant. Perhaps the more interesting question is why the 992.2 3.6L engine only produces the same power (about 480bhp) as the old 992.1 3.0L. So 20% increase in capacity but no increase in power, it seems the emissions regulations are having a large impact.
Hoping it’s strictly to leave room for higher models
Yep. What's all that expensive plumbing and electricity for then. 3.6L should easily get you another 75 ponies. And remember, no power sapping belts for the ancillaries.
Porsche will be making turbo s 992.2 with 2 electric turbos n 4wd hybrid with 720hp n 950nm of torque.... the new gt3 992.2 would be 4.2 liter new engine with 570hp n 580nm or torque.... i know coz im working in the gt department....
You said “Porsche went to a hybrid in order to get where they wanted to be”, and yet said “the hybrid system added no electric-only range at all, and did not increase fuel economy [I’m paraphrasing].” So my question is: Exactly WHERE IS IT that you mean, when you said “…added to get where they want to be.”?
It means Porsche management is fully woke climate alarmist and they hate their ICE customers and will ram EVs down their throats as soon as they can. That’s where they want to be - NO ICE CARS AT ALL IN THE LINE UP.
It is a performance hybrid. It adds power plus improves throttle response. Turbo lag is eliminated.
Ian Callum britain’s greatest living car designer 🤣 excuse me ?! His biggest talent has been blokeing it up with the motoring press. Sorry to be a bitch but he may have saved Aston Martin - a story well worth delving into imho - but he definitely broke jag .. not saying callum isn’t interesting and worthy of a live podcast but Britain’s greatest living car designer is undoubtedly Gerry McGovern even if he isn’t clubbable
Ian Callum is a car designer. He didn't destroy Jaguar. The cars simply weren't good enough or the brand appeal wasn't strong enough. Nothing wrong with his sheet metal. He designs good looking cars. Ir isn't his fault that the cars are unreliable or well engineered.
Oh but McGovern is mister "roll it in glitter". When he arrived the d3 went from purposeful to D4 chintz. The L322 did the same and ever since then everything has 22 inch wheels. The steel wheels on the defender were nice but you can only get them on the van now. Im not exactly the weirdo old defender fan who hates progression but give me something to want once they've lost their value in 10 years!
Problem is that the base Carrera is now paddles and turbos, so the notion that the base model is the most pure is long gone.
I'd personally put Peter Stevens above Ian McCallum, but it's not a competition, both genius designers