Tonerider Vintage 90 vs Hot 90 - P90 Pickup Shootout
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- Опубликовано: 3 авг 2024
- Go to - bit.ly/3sKy5a4 for full specs & info of the Tonerider P90 pickup family. This is a comparison of the Tonerider Vintage90 & Hot90 sets installed on a 2020 Epiphone Les Paul Special guitar. I have put all of the clips back to back so you can directly compare for each example. I have tried to cover a variety of tones and playing styles so you can see what would work best for you and your rig. More Tonerider content coming soon!
Gear Used
2020 Epiphone Les Paul Special
TC Spark Booster
DOD Looking Glass
Friedman Dirty Shirley Pedal
Laney LC30II Combo
0:00 - Intro
0:18 - Details & Info
1:52 - Clean
4:00 - Pushed
5:22 - Light Drive
7:42 - Friedman Crunch
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Dan, in my mind this sets the standard for how pickup comparison videos should be done. It's all played well, the guitar is tuned, the amp is miked well, and the clips are just long enough to make the point. Bravo!
Thanks so much! I spent a bit of time planning this out so I’m glad it came across well. Appreciate you watching and taking the time to comment 👍
@@DanLeggatt He's absolutely right. gold standard production
Agree
C'mon, jus admit it Mike you got the hots for Dan!
YES! Really well thought through!
The vintage p/u's sounded better in every scenario. That surprised me but the hot p/u's refused to wake up, even with increasing drive. Very well presented and informative demo.
I wouldn't say so, I've tried both the Vintage and the Hot 90 in the neck position and I think the Hot 90 is significantly better. The pick attack and focus is far better on the Hot 90, the Vintage 90 is difficult to focus and to get to distrort.
I also prefer the vintage, but I think the greatest determinant of which one you're gonna like is what your other guitars are and what your default amp settings are. If you mostly play dark-sounding humbucker guitars, the vintage might not have the focus you want. If you set your amps for Fender or Gretsch, you'll probably prefer the vintage.
Best pickup demo I've seen on RUclips. Great presentation. I think based on that I would go for the hot one on the bridge and the Vintage on the neck. I would also wire them are them out of phase. Changing the balance between pickups gives you tons of tone variation. Very Strat like. Thanks again great video.
Thanks for the great feedback! It seems a lot of people are favouring that combo. Might have to get onto Tonerider about offering it as a set 😂 Good thought about the out of phase too. I still don’t have a p90 guitar of my own but I’m on the lookout. Cheers! 👍
Best pickup demo i have ever seen. an excellent job Thanks a lot !
This is one of the best pickup comparison videos ive seen. I have the same guitar and although the stock pickups are ok, I wanted to change them out and was looking at Toneriders for this. After watching this vid, I think ill go for the Vintage in the Neck and Hot in the Bridge! Awesome video! Thanks :)
I prefer the Hot 90 in the neck, the Vintage is too "fluffy" for my tastes.
Outstanding demo, Dan - that Epi sounds fabulous!
Cheers 👍
Fantastic Job Dan.
preffered the clarity of the vintage set personally.
Great comparison. Thank you. I'm sold on the Vintage.
Good to see you're back Dan. Lately I've been more about warmer tones. So I was surprised by the fact that I preferred the vintage voiced P-90's.
Cheers Dennis 👍 I was definitely leaning towards the vintage too.
This is one of the best reviews Ive seen, thank you so much!. The hot sounded like a blanket thrown over the Amp. Hot sounded more like a Humbucker.
thanks! great way to demo!
think I'll go with the Vintage 90's for a barncaster I'm making.
Nice demo. Now off to look at more of your videos!
Welcome 🙏
Bro, it’s been a while since I last saw you on here! So glad you just came up in my newsfeed! I was just thinking about you the other day, trying to remember what your name was on Instagram! And I like the hot pick ups better. Love your videos, bro!
Hey man! Thank you. How have you been?
Vintage in neck, hot in bridge.
Nice comparison and really good editing. I would prefer the Vintage 90, it has a good tele vibe going, which I like a lot.
Cheers! I really like the Vintage set too.
Great vid! You did it right - the same way I do pickup tests.
Awesome video, thanks!
I might get a set of the vintage ones, for my new SG
Cheers for watching 👍 Hope you enjoy them if you pick up a set.
Great video. I bought a set if vintage p90s last year - I still haven't managed to install them in an SG project I'm working on. I was torn between the hot or vintage, but went with the vintage in the end.
Agree so much with the positive comments on this video and the style in which it's presented.
Thank you!
Just adding ANOTHER set of TR's to my axes...just been blown away by every set, now in 2 LP's, a Strat and a Tomcat...and you Mr Leggatt are to blame :) thanks mate, owes ya!
😂 Sorry to be such a bad influence on you! Hope you dig the new set 👍
@@DanLeggatt I'm went with the alnico 2's as that softer drive is usually what I prefer but have realised on this particular LP it highlights too much of the metallic, harder tones and loses some of that mids honk I had with the stock P90s...question for your opinion: 500K or 250K pots with the "hot" pickups?
I think this video has actually pushed me towards the Vintage ones, or maybe a Vintage neck and Hot bridge. Great stuff as always Dan
After you mentioned it, I think I’m going to try the same 👌 cheers dude!
Vintage neck and Hot bridge is I think the way to go...best of both worlds!
I think you may have talked me into it.
I did it. They're phenomenal!
@@DanLeggatt Brilliant comp video Dan! How did the Hot bridge and Vintage neck combo turn out?
Alnico 2 vintage all day long, you can here every note clearer. I had the alnico 2 vintage set for my telecaster and they were fantastic.👍
Thanks for this , the hot p90 is def more BASS'y. For instance, when you play the vintage in the middle position it almost sounds like the hot treble position. This was a great comparison video
Ex Ellenton and valuable. Thanks for posting.
It’s the vintage set for me.
Looks like I'd need 2 guitars. For me it was the Vintage 90s until the Friedman. That's when I like the Hot 90s. Great video... I found this whilst looking at Tonerider P90s. Subscribed 👍
Best of both worlds - go for the Hot in the bridge and Vintage in the neck. 😁👍
I'm glad I watched this video. I thought that I would prefer the hot pickups, but after hearing them side by side, I would definitely buy the vintage set. Thanks
Glad it was helpful to you
Great vid, thanks!
Thanks for some enlightenment Dan, I play an Epiphone Wilshire and as common with a lot of Epiphones the pickup is mounted further away from the bridge compared to Gibsons for some unforeseen reason ? Bearing this in mind I would definitely go for the Vintage as it seems brighter, more top end. Many thanks.
Hot, it is 👍🏼👍🏼 Thanks for helping me decide.
Glad it helped 👍
Great demo.
Cheers!
Great A-B comparison.
THIS is the way to do a 'side-by-side' pickup comparison.
Great, now I need to look for a soapbar loaded Tele to put a set of these in 🙄😂 awesome stuff Dan
😂 I fail to see a problem here. I sadly have to give the LP back so I’ll be on the hunt too!
Hi Dan, great way to demo pickups. I preferred the Vintage, they sounded cleaner and slightly more airy, like you said. I prefer having the option to knock some of the air off and dirty up a pickup rather than trying to clean up a hotter one. 👍🎸
Good point! I’m very similar in my approach to you by the sound of it. I do really like both sets but I think the vintage would be slightly more versatile. The extra girth of the hot set does sound killer with my Marshall origin. How’s the project guitar coming on mate?
i have this guitar and put the tonerider vintage P 90 pu set in it ( no 50's wiring ) , sounds great , a lot better ( more open and clearer ) then the original epi pu's ( wich did sound ok for a epi pu ) , so now i have a great lp with a nice chuncky neck for 525 euro !
I am thinking of combining a vintage 90 on the neck and a hot P90 in the bridge! The only problem is that I can’t predict the outcome in the middle position! Amazing review you’ve played everything I would play if I was testing the pickups! 👌
Middle pickup= Hottage. 👊
I think these guys did what you're thinking. ruclips.net/video/B-GkLOozYdQ/видео.html
@@matthazelby506 good answer
The vintage ones sound warmer, more defined, structured and fuller, while the Hot ones sound dry and harsh and fluffy.
Proof that Alnico II in p90's is the real vintage tone, if you want or need more drive go with a humbucker as this is what the humbucker was designed to replace for that very reason.
Dan, I liked the demo enough that I ordered a Hot Bridge and Vintage Neck. I put them in my Harley Benton SC450GT P90 because the stock pickups were pretty disappointing. It sounds incredible now. Even though it's a cheap ($160 US) guitar, I wouldn't hesitate for a moment to gig with it.
Good to hear man! What do you think of the HB in general disregarding the pickups?
@@DanLeggatt I really like it. It has a few finish irregularities, but nothing too horrible given the price. The fingerboard looks like it has been dyed, but that's not uncommon. I leveled and dressed the frets and now it plays beautifully. My first "real" guitar was a 1969 Les Paul Deluxe so I wanted another Goldtop. I wouldn't necessarily put this on par with a Gibson, but it's still a totally useable instrument. The fingerboard feels just a little rough, so I will probably hit it with some ultra fine sandpaper, but it still plays really nice. No regrets at all.
@@mikestillwagon5675 I've got an Harley Benton Junior type. It's mahogany, it's been set up, it's had new hardware, including a Tonerider Vintage 90. Happy with it. Any kind of overdrive or distortion-just sounds better. Regardless.
These pickups sound great. IMO the "hot" are close to offering the best of both worlds. I saw one demo with a hot in the bridge and a vintage in the neck that sounded good too.
Really good comparison I prefer the vintage
Good idea to use the red tape! Both sets sound great, though I prefer the Vintage 90 set. That Laney amp takes pedals really well!
Red tape?! Its ultra quality tonal spectrum comparison strip. Now available from my website for £100 a roll 😂
I really like them both too but leaning towards the vintage set also. Something just a bit more open. Especially for cleans. Was actually considering trying a mixed set. Hot in the bridge and vintage neck.
@@DanLeggatt ooo I'll have 12 rolls please! Seeing the red tape definitely makes everything sound better.
Hi Dan thanks for this video. I am super fan of this brand. Almost all my guitars have a pair of toneriders. Wondering which of these p90s would you recommend for my Ephi Willshire P90. For replacing the stock ones. Thanks
Great work.
To me, the Hot P90s sound more full, still nice top end, but seems to be better rounded...
Just me...
Thank you.
perfect face to face.. for me with junior all mahogany better vintage and with maple cap les paul gold top, for exemple , hot 90..
Tough call...they both sound great. I'm a big fan of P90's. I think I gotta go with the Hot 90 though...seems like a bit richer low end, with just as much clarity on the high end. But like I said, I'd be happy with either. Probably gonna hafta try some!
I don’t think you can go wrong with either to be completely honest!
Vintage neck Hot bridge maybe?
To me that’s the best combo!
Great video Dan. I just ordered this same guitar and wonder how you stack up the Toneriders both Vintage and Hot 90's to the stock pickups. Myself, between the two in your comparison I think I prefer the Vintage. Too bad your comparison didn't include the Epiphone P90's. Cheers!
I’m afraid I’ve never played the stock pickups. This guitar belongs to the guys at Tonerider and they dropped it off with the vintage set already installed. From the demos I’ve seen of this guitar in its stock state they sound a little bit ‘muffled’ for my taste but that could be down to a number of factors.
@@DanLeggatt Thanks for the reply. I am contemplating buying the Vintage set after I receive the LP Special. The Vintage sounded great to me in your video and I agree that from what I've seen on RUclips, the Epiphone P-90's are not as rich as their Gibson counterparts.
Hey Dan! Have you tried the stock pickups on this guitar? Planning to buy the hot 90s and put into my SG special p90s but wanted to know if there is a massive difference between the stock and the hot 90s. Awesome video and playing btw! Thanks in advance. 🤘
I haven’t ever heard the stock ones I’m afraid.
Am I the only one who dug the bassiness/smoothness of that Hot90 neck? :) Very cool demo, thanks!
Hot 90 has a better range .
@@paulmitchell5349 I prefer the Hot 90, I have both in the neck version and the Hot 90 is far more focussed and sounds sexier distorted, to my ears. The Vintage 90 has a certain smoothness that the Hot 90 may not have, but I like a more focused sound overall.
Some one obviously got the memo about the rule that ALL guitar gear reviewers on YT ABSOLUTELY MUST HAVE BLUE AND PURPLE NEON BKGROUND LIGHTING!!!
.... upon penalty of channel death 😁.
Thanks for the video I just got one of the Hot 90s for the neck from them. It tested out at 7.75k... I paired it with a Gibson "Lead" P90 in the bridge that tested @ 8.3k And dropped both into a new Vintage V100 GT
Really digging this setup so far! much more traditional P90 tones Vs the Wilkinson WS90 P100 stacked pups that came in this guitar.
I'm completely freekin hooked on P90s and find myself staring at all the other guitars trying to figure out how I can drop one into at least half of them...
;-)
I play one of these guitars, my pickup is at 9.1 bridge and that's a great dirt tone in my amp. I would like to try a stacked p90
Good demo !
Did you write the heights of each pick up ? 😇
Vintage ones based on your demo !
Overwouned pu very often are flabby as the « normal » ones bite !
Hi Dan, pretty new here, but i find your Vids very useful. This is the best pickup comparison i have seen so far.
I know you own some Tonerider Rebel 90, so how do the compare to these? I need some new pickups, my humbucker on the neck is way too muddy and dark specially with more gain ;)
I love the Rebel 90, they sound very slightly different to the standard p90 just due to construction but it’s very slight. I love it in the neck of a Les Paul. Check out this video for a demo -
ruclips.net/video/JIlhxA1ON4U/видео.html
Much appreciated!
I liked the vintage better in all the gain settings. It sounds open and clear. The hot pups sound overly compressed and too woofy. It sounds like these are a good value. I just might get a set for my next p90 build.
I preferred the Vintage set, I am looking to upgrade my P90's I have 3 Stacked M Series Wilkinson's which came stock, just too bright for me, like something warmer but I need 3 , the bridge pickup is rated at 14 K , not sure maybe I have to upgrade the neck and middle, and just keep the hot P90
Vintage all the way baby!!
I just recently purchased Vintage P-90 for bridge
The clarity is top notch
But also I'm playing straight metal with no issues
Obviously there is some 60 cycle hum
But I added a dummy coil to reduce interference.
Definitely going to get vintage
Neck next. Video was super helpful. I found the overwound set to be duller compared to the vintage
Thanks great video! Am I right in kinda thinking and hearing that the hot 90 is not really that hot? Just hotter than the vintage? A medium output?
Yeah I would say that’s pretty accurate. Definitely not what would be considered ‘high output’ by humbucker standards.
Yesssss a looking glass
One of my favourites!
@@DanLeggatt you have a great ear.my friend :) this videos class too
I much preferred the vintage 90s.
Have you tried those P90s with your Marshall Origin?
Yes mate. They sound killer! I’ve kind of overlooked p90’s on my tonal journeys until recently. They definitely have something cool going on. I had planned to use a few different amps for the demo but with just me it was too many variables to keep track of and still keep it consistent.
do you think these pickups are better than the ones supplied by epiphone ? im just wondering
Nice, the Vintage sounds a little smoother.
But the Hot 90 is more defined. I've tried both and the Hot 90 just feels much better because it's not "fluffy".
Are they better than the epi p90, the p90 pro? By betterI mean clearer, more detailed, tight bass and crisp highs?
To me the A5 magnets in the Hot's give more mid range but the Vintage A2;'s sound clearer. Prefer the Vintage.
I like both. Now I need another guitar. Hard to tell in this video but the hot p90s really have no note separation and are a mess. If you want a thick humbucker sound in a P90 then get the hot 90s
Ohhh no... It looks like i'll buy another tonerider pups coz of you again haha
Please apologise to your bank account on my behalf 😂
Vintage for me. Hot ones sound dry like a production JB. The hand wound JBs are different
Hi, what pots did you use for the pickups? Thanks!
Standard 500k pots, stock in the Epi 👍
are they better, meaning correct vintage p90 sound than the lollar or the SD Ant?
Never tried them I’m afraid so can’t comment
How do these compare to the Rebel 90 (humbucker sized) pickups?
Just talked to Andy at Tonerider, he said the Rebels are closest to the Vintage90 set. The sound is very slightly different due to the metal cover and construction but still very close.
@@DanLeggatt Thanks!
Missing, essential information: Which (neck or bridge) has the V90 and which the P90. To find out, wait until you hear the demo and then go to: 1:08.
How is the information missing if it’s in the video? 🤷♂️
@@DanLeggatt I was referring to information missing when the change in pickups occurs and didn't mean to say there was a deficit in your video. I'm sure I'm not the only one who doesn't slavishly watch every second of RUclips videos. Note that you use timestamps and "annotations on the screen" so that people "can skip around". You could have just as easily told people in your introduction that you later say what the exact sequence of tones was going to be (clean tone, pushed tone, light drive tone) and left it at that. You didn't do that probably because it's more helpful for the viewer to have the information at the point in the video when it is immediately relevant (at 1:08). You are, of course, using the international painter's tape communications scheme to communicate when the Hot 90s are installed and when the V90s are installed, which should have been clear to me. Unfortuntely, I missed that lecture on signals while at Uni. 😉 I actually like the way you did that as it provides a kind of blinded experience (even better if people weren't told what the red tape meant).
Tonerider vintage p90 vs Gretsch fidelisonic p90 for clarity?
Well to answer my own question and to help others, it was definitely the fidelisonics that were muddier.
vintage
2:33
These sound kinda drab until ya juice up the amp a bit then they sound pretty decent! However, they never quite reach exceptional tho IMO.
The vintage sounds better
nobody is able to make a decent reissue of the 60' gibson P 90 - Well ....Lindy fralin agree with me on that !
I’ve never played a vintage example so I can’t really comment on that. However, having played and heard a lot of p90’s, I’m not sure what about the tone or construction couldn’t be replicated? The differences must be fairly nuanced?
@@DanLeggatt yeah Fralin explain the % of real iron in the screws is different and nobody make a real screw.... Omg we go on the moon and don t know how make a real screw
Interesting. Have you seen any videos that give a tonal example of the differences? I’d be interested to hear how much or how little that actually influences the tone.
@@DanLeggatt this one is good
ruclips.net/video/gvxeeqfHkNw/видео.html
the main thing is when you turn down the volume knob....:-)
While that is a cool tone, it’s pretty hard to hear any nuanced differences from a video with iPhone audio and loads of reverb.
Better mids and grunt on the Hot 90. Thanks . Vintage is too washed out for rock .