Great video keep making more it helps a lot. I have one question which hunter benefits these types of builds the most compared to a ability base hunter like neith.
Hi, love your videos and really helped with me playing adc, especially Charybdis. I just wanted to ask if you could do the math to find out if the changes to Charybdis’ item proc damage is a buff or a nerf overall.
Hi Lynette, thanks for the comment and I’m really happy my videos have helped :) I’ve just done some quick envelope maths, it looks like the damage numbers are going to stay exactly the same, which is fine with me. Over 24 “standard autos” (where I’m counting the 3 little autos as 1 auto, confusing sorry) she gets: 24 little autos 16 big autos 6 little obow procs 0.67* obow damage 24 little qinns procs 0.67* qinns damage 4 big obow procs 16 big qinns procs This all equates to the exact same 33% extra efficiency she had before, so the builds and damage won’t change at all. This is definitely a buff as now spike shot will be much better! Which will be really cool! There’s also some very strange tech where you can purposefully miss autos to up your obow damage, but trying to utilise this probably isn’t worth it😂 But also in the worst case scenario, if you miss ALL of your big obow procs you’ll be losing 33% obow damage, in the best case scenario, you gain 33% so I assume… this should average out in game, but if there’s some weird phenomenon where players hit certain autos at certain points in her chain, this could have a larger impact than intended, for better or for worse
Hello! Thank you! Yeah I’ve done a couple of versions now but the current version is built in python! I’m tempted to do a video about the code itself so people can have an understanding of how it works and to make sure this channel stays transparent and reliable, thanks for the comment!
New sub here. This content is excellent for any level of smite player. You'll have the pros checking this out if they aren't already. If you do this with smite 2, expect your subs to sky rocket. Keep it up.
3:11 im sorry for my lack of retention, but what are the circumstantial conditions for the 18.07 TTK vs the 14.69 TTK with same build? as an assault main, this has me reconsidering my starting build to almost always include obow.
@@madweazl yeah I don’t have any way to determine build order, and my algorithm generates the images in a random order. This video has good information but is probably a bit out of date now so be wary!
Great video once again!! 😁 Have you seen 11.5 Patch notes? If I understand them correctly, the Item proc passives changes for Charybdis are gonna make her lose the quins extra damage she had. Not sure how obow´s dmg will work with the changes if the lighting chain is procced with normal autos or the triple fire... but I believe these are gonna make her build the standard hunter build... Not fan of the changes At least we get some dmg back from items during her 1...
Hello! Thank you! Yeah I've just watched them, I'm gutted that they're nerfing her qinns damage, the fact that you can build her differently was a massive draw to the character for me. And yeah they weren't clear at all how this would affect her obow damage, I'm really hoping it stays maxed and becomes SUPER effective on her cus that just sounds fun! Me too, if it effects her build path, I'm not a fan. Will probably have to wait until PTS to test everything. Thanks for the comment!!
@@SmiteMaths I have just tested and I must have misunderstood the patch notes. The value stated in the patch notes is reduced item damage (in PTS is 30% not 33%) so it is actually more dmg!! In a 5 autos chain (2 normal autos plus triple fire) the first 2 normal autos do normal qins dmg and each triple fire shot does 70%. In total, 410% qins dmg in the chain, rather than the 400% (80% * 5 shots) before this patch. Also, when trading with enemy hunter in lane if you only hit 1 or 2 normal autos, these will have 100% quins dmg. So it is a straight dmg buff!!! About obow, normal autos will proc normal obow dmg and triple shot autos proc 70% obow dmg. This is harder to estimate if it's a dmg buff or nerf, because it would depend when in your auto chain is procced. However, you are still proccing it way more often than standard hunters so, pretty sure yellow number build is still the way to go.
Ahhh yeah I’ve just tried it, the patch notes makes it sound like it’s reduced *to* 33% not *by* 33% which is great, so qinns definitely still does more, obow probably does still do more, but now it might be beneficial to purposefully miss little autos so you proc odessyus bow on the big auto which is a very odd mechanic!! Definitely going to have to get my head around this and figure out the math behind it so I can put it into my code. Thanks for the insights, I’m super excited to see her damage now!!
@@ivix5599 Hi @ivix5599 I’ve just done some quick envelope maths, it looks like the damage numbers are going to stay exactly the same, which is fine with me. Over 24 “standard autos” (where I’m counting the 3 little autos as 1 auto, confusing sorry) she gets: 24 little autos 16 big autos 6 little obow procs 0.67* obow damage 24 little qinns procs 0.67* qinns damage 4 big obow procs 16 big qinns procs This all equates to the exact same 33% extra efficiency she had before, so the builds and damage won’t change at all. This is definitely a buff as now spike shot will be much better! Which will be really cool! There’s also some very strange tech where you can purposefully miss autos to up your obow damage, but trying to utilise this probably isn’t worth it😂 But also in the worst case scenario, if you miss ALL of your big obow procs you’ll be losing 33% obow damage, in the best case scenario, you gain 33% so I assume… this should average out in game, but if there’s some weird phenomenon where players hit certain autos at certain points in her chain, this could have a larger impact than intended, for better or for worse
@@SmiteMaths Are you guys sure thats how it works? I haven't tested in in PTS but the patch notes paint a totally different picture. There is an additional note there: "Note: Charybdis previously had this restriction on all of her Basic Attacks, but it is now only limited to her triple fire in her Basic Attack chain, NOT her first two autos or Spike Shot" This implies that the reduction was already in place before and that her first 2 autos now actually do more damage than before which would be a straight up buff. edit: I just tested it on pts and live. Both the odin bot and my god were lvl 1. I bought only qin's. On the current patch qin's procs were 7 dmg. On the new patch they were 9 for the first two, and 6 for the three tiny attacks. So the reduction was already in place before for all auto attacks, but it was only 20%. Now its 33% only for the small autos. (Because I tested it on low hp targets the numbers could be off from the 33% stated in patch notes). Guess I misunderstood what you meant exactly and thought it was 33% reduction for all attacks previously. I knew item procs on charybdis were already applied at a reduced rate but I didn't check the exact amount.
This is pretty spectacular. Question: Do you force a starter item? Or is diamond arrow just that powerful? Like, what if the end game I dropped a deathbringer in that slot to have the best of both?
Hello! No I do not force starters into the builds, I modelled each starter at half stacks apart from diamond arrow which is modelled at one stack. It just turns out an item that gives 70 power, 25% AS and 10% pen is insanely strong😂 and these stats scale really well with obow which is why these builds favour diamond arrow, but if you want a full analysis of all the starter items I have a video on that :) Thanks for the comment!!
I am yes, this might have been an oversight and I should have modelled it at 3 stacks... But I have too much data now to change it! When there's a big patch I'll reset exe to 3 stacks
@@fatcox Hi, yes so when I calculate the the TTK the whole enemy team, it perfectly averages out the obow damage, so it perfectly simulates it averagely hitting 3 squishies and 2 tanks which is a really great part of how the maths works out! Also executioner doesn't effect odessyus bow damage in my model :)
I play a lot of arena and I go a build with xbal where I build crit and Odysseus bow so u max single target and aoe. I go cowl, dominance, asi, rage, Odysseus bow, deathbringer. It has some percent pen on the autos, lifestyle, and tons of single target and aoe dmg. Maybe executioner is better or u can replace rage with another crit item
Great vid as always 👍🏽. Only thing wish that you would also do TTK values with tanks not building spectral. Feel like I rarely see it built in my (diamond) games, I mostly see binding or midgardian as last item E: commented before the end 😂 leaving comment up to help with algorithm. Hope you continue the maths with smite 2!
@@SmiteMaths I saw the other video and I replied there, but I want to reply here also. The wording of the patch notes imply that it's now 33% damage not that it's reduced by 33%. In the same way it says that Fafnir does 25% damage. Am I right about the wording and Charybdis is actually getting less damage or is Fafnir actually getting 75% damage on procs?
This build doesn't come close to top damage with adding of storm seeker paid with silver branch you can now move to other iteams to build even your starter can change ik everyone's like its useless but if you build it first it slaps hard late game and you don't even need to max it just like 150-200 stacks and you kinda done on most gods
Hi, if you’d like to check out my stormseeker video it covers this topic, stormseeker can definitely be strong but it is very inconsistent and risky which is why I decided not to model it fully stacked in this video, stormseeker becomes viable around 300stacks, but at that number of stacks it just becomes equal to the other builds, thanks for the comment
Okay that outro goes hard. "Dont guess, do the math"
Hahahha😂😂 thanks man❤️❤️
Please Like and Subscribe it really helps me out! Again, any questions, please ask!!
Great video keep making more it helps a lot. I have one question which hunter benefits these types of builds the most compared to a ability base hunter like neith.
Hello, thank you! Off the top of my head:
Neith
Ullr
Skadi
Chiron
Medusa
Marticouras
Are the main ones I can think of, thanks again!
Hi, love your videos and really helped with me playing adc, especially Charybdis. I just wanted to ask if you could do the math to find out if the changes to Charybdis’ item proc damage is a buff or a nerf overall.
Hi Lynette, thanks for the comment and I’m really happy my videos have helped :) I’ve just done some quick envelope maths, it looks like the damage numbers are going to stay exactly the same, which is fine with me.
Over 24 “standard autos” (where I’m counting the 3 little autos as 1 auto, confusing sorry) she gets:
24 little autos
16 big autos
6 little obow procs 0.67* obow damage
24 little qinns procs 0.67* qinns damage
4 big obow procs
16 big qinns procs
This all equates to the exact same 33% extra efficiency she had before, so the builds and damage won’t change at all.
This is definitely a buff as now spike shot will be much better! Which will be really cool!
There’s also some very strange tech where you can purposefully miss autos to up your obow damage, but trying to utilise this probably isn’t worth it😂
But also in the worst case scenario, if you miss ALL of your big obow procs you’ll be losing 33% obow damage, in the best case scenario, you gain 33% so I assume… this should average out in game, but if there’s some weird phenomenon where players hit certain autos at certain points in her chain, this could have a larger impact than intended, for better or for worse
@@SmiteMaths I see. So (apart from slightly easier to hit basics) there will actually be somewhat of a reason to use Spike Shot against enemy gods now
This is great! You do this in Python? I’m curious how you set this up.
Hello! Thank you! Yeah I’ve done a couple of versions now but the current version is built in python! I’m tempted to do a video about the code itself so people can have an understanding of how it works and to make sure this channel stays transparent and reliable, thanks for the comment!
I'd love to see that. I've been thinking about making a dps simulation for some time.
New sub here. This content is excellent for any level of smite player. You'll have the pros checking this out if they aren't already. If you do this with smite 2, expect your subs to sky rocket. Keep it up.
Thank you! I really appreciate that!!!❤️
3:11 im sorry for my lack of retention, but what are the circumstantial conditions for the 18.07 TTK vs the 14.69 TTK with same build?
as an assault main, this has me reconsidering my starting build to almost always include obow.
Hi sorry if it wasn’t clear,
The only difference is that obow procs twice in the 18sec build and 5 times in the 13sec one
Thanks for the comment!
I'm assuming build order didn't play a part in these since silverbranch is front loaded?
@@madweazl yeah I don’t have any way to determine build order, and my algorithm generates the images in a random order. This video has good information but is probably a bit out of date now so be wary!
Fire video keep up the work bc who tf is DukeSloth
Thank you!
Surprised to see devourer's gauntlet over titan's bane actually. Did you force lifesteal into the builds?
Hello! Yes sorry I forced lifesteal into every build, sorry I should have mentioned that in the video!
Lifesteal essential in most builds unless you dont fight 1v1 and only wait for ganks or teamfights and have the best peel
could you do a segment on the highest dps builds for us noobs that rely on griffonwing earrings passive to hit our autos? :p
These dps calcs are intriguing but what about ability hunters and the concept of needing other stats like mp5 for sustained engagements
Hello :) I am going to model ability hunters soon, I’ll have to do them individually, definitely looking at stuff like that soon!
@@SmiteMaths looking forward to it especially looking forward to solo lane content as that’s my main but I’ll enjoy the proper math in the meantime
Great video once again!! 😁
Have you seen 11.5 Patch notes? If I understand them correctly, the Item proc passives changes for Charybdis are gonna make her lose the quins extra damage she had. Not sure how obow´s dmg will work with the changes if the lighting chain is procced with normal autos or the triple fire... but I believe these are gonna make her build the standard hunter build... Not fan of the changes
At least we get some dmg back from items during her 1...
Hello! Thank you! Yeah I've just watched them, I'm gutted that they're nerfing her qinns damage, the fact that you can build her differently was a massive draw to the character for me. And yeah they weren't clear at all how this would affect her obow damage, I'm really hoping it stays maxed and becomes SUPER effective on her cus that just sounds fun! Me too, if it effects her build path, I'm not a fan. Will probably have to wait until PTS to test everything. Thanks for the comment!!
@@SmiteMaths I have just tested and I must have misunderstood the patch notes. The value stated in the patch notes is reduced item damage (in PTS is 30% not 33%) so it is actually more dmg!!
In a 5 autos chain (2 normal autos plus triple fire) the first 2 normal autos do normal qins dmg and each triple fire shot does 70%. In total, 410% qins dmg in the chain, rather than the 400% (80% * 5 shots) before this patch.
Also, when trading with enemy hunter in lane if you only hit 1 or 2 normal autos, these will have 100% quins dmg. So it is a straight dmg buff!!!
About obow, normal autos will proc normal obow dmg and triple shot autos proc 70% obow dmg. This is harder to estimate if it's a dmg buff or nerf, because it would depend when in your auto chain is procced. However, you are still proccing it way more often than standard hunters so, pretty sure yellow number build is still the way to go.
Ahhh yeah I’ve just tried it, the patch notes makes it sound like it’s reduced *to* 33% not *by* 33% which is great, so qinns definitely still does more, obow probably does still do more, but now it might be beneficial to purposefully miss little autos so you proc odessyus bow on the big auto which is a very odd mechanic!! Definitely going to have to get my head around this and figure out the math behind it so I can put it into my code. Thanks for the insights, I’m super excited to see her damage now!!
@@ivix5599 Hi @ivix5599 I’ve just done some quick envelope maths, it looks like the damage numbers are going to stay exactly the same, which is fine with me.
Over 24 “standard autos” (where I’m counting the 3 little autos as 1 auto, confusing sorry) she gets:
24 little autos
16 big autos
6 little obow procs 0.67* obow damage
24 little qinns procs 0.67* qinns damage
4 big obow procs
16 big qinns procs
This all equates to the exact same 33% extra efficiency she had before, so the builds and damage won’t change at all.
This is definitely a buff as now spike shot will be much better! Which will be really cool!
There’s also some very strange tech where you can purposefully miss autos to up your obow damage, but trying to utilise this probably isn’t worth it😂
But also in the worst case scenario, if you miss ALL of your big obow procs you’ll be losing 33% obow damage, in the best case scenario, you gain 33% so I assume… this should average out in game, but if there’s some weird phenomenon where players hit certain autos at certain points in her chain, this could have a larger impact than intended, for better or for worse
@@SmiteMaths Are you guys sure thats how it works? I haven't tested in in PTS but the patch notes paint a totally different picture. There is an additional note there: "Note: Charybdis previously had this restriction on all of her Basic Attacks, but it is now only limited to her triple fire in her Basic Attack chain, NOT her first two autos or Spike Shot"
This implies that the reduction was already in place before and that her first 2 autos now actually do more damage than before which would be a straight up buff.
edit: I just tested it on pts and live. Both the odin bot and my god were lvl 1. I bought only qin's. On the current patch qin's procs were 7 dmg. On the new patch they were 9 for the first two, and 6 for the three tiny attacks. So the reduction was already in place before for all auto attacks, but it was only 20%. Now its 33% only for the small autos. (Because I tested it on low hp targets the numbers could be off from the 33% stated in patch notes). Guess I misunderstood what you meant exactly and thought it was 33% reduction for all attacks previously. I knew item procs on charybdis were already applied at a reduced rate but I didn't check the exact amount.
This is pretty spectacular.
Question: Do you force a starter item?
Or is diamond arrow just that powerful?
Like, what if the end game I dropped a deathbringer in that slot to have the best of both?
Hello! No I do not force starters into the builds, I modelled each starter at half stacks apart from diamond arrow which is modelled at one stack. It just turns out an item that gives 70 power, 25% AS and 10% pen is insanely strong😂 and these stats scale really well with obow which is why these builds favour diamond arrow, but if you want a full analysis of all the starter items I have a video on that :)
Thanks for the comment!!
are you assuming fully stacked exe on the realistic build too?
I am yes, this might have been an oversight and I should have modelled it at 3 stacks... But I have too much data now to change it! When there's a big patch I'll reset exe to 3 stacks
@@SmiteMathsare you making the stacks affect the obo proc on other players?
@@fatcox Hi, yes so when I calculate the the TTK the whole enemy team, it perfectly averages out the obow damage, so it perfectly simulates it averagely hitting 3 squishies and 2 tanks which is a really great part of how the maths works out! Also executioner doesn't effect odessyus bow damage in my model :)
could you hook us up with some mid laner builds?
I’m definitely looking into this, it won’t be as cut and dry as hunter builds but some analysis will be useful!
can you do builds for solo pls?
Other classes are on the way! Will definitely take me some time tho
I play a lot of arena and I go a build with xbal where I build crit and Odysseus bow so u max single target and aoe. I go cowl, dominance, asi, rage, Odysseus bow, deathbringer. It has some percent pen on the autos, lifestyle, and tons of single target and aoe dmg. Maybe executioner is better or u can replace rage with another crit item
I go the attack speed or movement speed cowl with teammates around u vs the one that gives percent power
I like these videos
Great vid as always 👍🏽. Only thing wish that you would also do TTK values with tanks not building spectral. Feel like I rarely see it built in my (diamond) games, I mostly see binding or midgardian as last item
E: commented before the end 😂 leaving comment up to help with algorithm. Hope you continue the maths with smite 2!
Hahaha Thank you! There's always a lot to fit in so I usually decide just to show "Against Spectral" because its less risky, thanks again!!
ok im stealing that charbydis build holy hell i want to try that out
If you get lucky and stack your diamond arrow you honestly go ham hahahaha, have fun!
Doesn’t feel great not having deaths toll early though 😬
@@SmiteMaths How does it compare having a 300~ stacked stormseeker to diamond arrow? Not hard to get stacks up on Charybdis quickly
You the GOAT
The new patch changes Charybdis autos. She's going to do less Qins damage over all. And I don't even know how they're going to have OBow proc.
Hi, yeah I’ve done the calculations, her item damage is staying exactly the same! Thanks for the comment!
@@SmiteMaths I saw the other video and I replied there, but I want to reply here also. The wording of the patch notes imply that it's now 33% damage not that it's reduced by 33%. In the same way it says that Fafnir does 25% damage. Am I right about the wording and Charybdis is actually getting less damage or is Fafnir actually getting 75% damage on procs?
Is this whole channel just dedicated to hunters?
At the moment yes…. I’m looking into other classes now
God bless
This build doesn't come close to top damage with adding of storm seeker paid with silver branch you can now move to other iteams to build even your starter can change ik everyone's like its useless but if you build it first it slaps hard late game and you don't even need to max it just like 150-200 stacks and you kinda done on most gods
Hi, if you’d like to check out my stormseeker video it covers this topic, stormseeker can definitely be strong but it is very inconsistent and risky which is why I decided not to model it fully stacked in this video, stormseeker becomes viable around 300stacks, but at that number of stacks it just becomes equal to the other builds, thanks for the comment
Now make one where cooldown must be at least 20%.