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I love when flamu squawks lol, that one when he was coming out of the menu to find the reinforce sector button and the bombs were already falling was gold.
The best Teammate was the Shira at the start, who doesn´t played any objective, just went around at D and tried to kill the CV and failed and didn´t even get the kill. That are the best players. And the endresult shows it, he is 3rd from behind.
I saw a lot of that happen before. It especially sucks when the DD that does this is the only one your team had for that half of the map. Even worse, it was a 1 DD / team game.
@@MarvinWestmaas And what's your ign, for research purposes? Not to say no one would trust your word if we asked what your PR is, but I actually am saying that.
@@bdub1682 Was also not a paper ship, Germany build it, together with the Bayern but it wasn't finished. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mackensen-class_battlecruiser#/media/File:Hamburg_port_NARA-68155073_(cropped).jpg
That medium-close range Vladivostok shatter reminds me of the time when I was playing a stock FDG and the exact same thing happened against a Soyuz at the exact same range, died for it because the vulnerable broadside was impervious to my shells, I needed him to take one citadel for me to live, and ofc German pen is total crap for no reason.
I can almost guarantee that he was angled. At medium to close range FDG has more than enough pen to blow through a soyuz broadside. 406 or 420 it doesn't matter
Whenever I shoot at broadside russian BB's it looks like lock-on goes off and I do like no damage at all. It's so fucking annoying and it always happens against russian BB's or other ships with citadels that are notoriously easy to hit e.g Yamato
Not gonna lie, I personally think after the CV rework, the aiming/targeting system of the game just felt wonkier. That's just me and its been like that for years. Maybe I was potato, idk but its fishy lol.
Flamu: Imagine adding CVs to the game, sadge WeeGee: But wait, there's more >Proceeds to release subs and super ships and possibly Submarine CVs that shoot planes from under the water that shoot your ship while being untargetable
Or you could do what I did and spec out a CV for air superiority and basically shut down other carriers. So much more fun playing CVs back then than they are now.
The fact that you have to tell those CVs to move is beyond me. I mean the autopilot is literally doing all the work for this class. One click and they are out of danger while still printing plains. Some players even struggle with that.
Is it me or is there something weird going on in a game where "AA defensive expert" is earned by the enemy team before anyone has earned a "first blood"? 4:15
At this point I am wondering just how badly WG will nerf these ships thanks to Flolo his feedback. 😅 But they look so much fun. Too bad I gave up on the game and have no intention of coming back. It got way to frustrating for me to play and that was before the submarines...
@@slnwrk because is a video game. And video games need correct balance to be fun. According to history CVs are the most powerful warships. But In world of warships we have: Ships that reload in 1 second, cruisers that survive full battleship salvos while sailing full broadside, Radar and hydro that goes through islands, homing torpedoes, infinite ammo, ships that never existed, and much more. Don't bring history into this because history left this game long time ago.
Entertaining looking game there. Real sorry to see your only DD do what he did. Great job BTW in how you handled the clump of ships out west, normal procedure for most players would be to kite away, but you pulled it off.
I don't know if they power creep the OG german BBs, but they fill the secondary role better, but the original German BBs have better armor(not good enough to not get HE spammed), More health, and on average bigger guns. I would say more guns in some cases but GK is going away. They also get an extra heal and unlimited damage cons.
Looking at this again - got the Mackensen with BongoBucks and was trying to figure out whether it was worth gathering the XP for the Prinz Heinrich when the line goes live. And I think so. Mackensen is the first one I actually enjoyed playing, and I can sell the Tier V and below to help fund the Prinz Heinrich. Down side, particularly in comparison with the Gneisenau, is the Bayern guns. AP is not going to do much to battleships at any range over 10 km. Up side, compared with the Gneisenau, is two more guns and a 360 degree rear turret. Higher gun arcs clear islands better, as shown in this video. And the guns appear a bit more accurate. Add 150 mm secondaries plus hydro, as you mentioned. Torpedoes may be more useful since you have to play closer anyway to get the guns to work.
I love it when people on the other servers see double CV and it's so unusual they mention it. Welcome to every fucking game on the asia server, and the reason why I quit when Ise was released.
Poor Scharnhorst. Finally gets an entire line that plays just like it but is better in every way. Still gonna play it tho. 2.0 sigma is too good to ignore.
to answer the description's question of "How hard will this line powercreep the current German BBs" in their current state? the only correct answer is "yes" except in the armor area i think
it's games like this that I like running a sort of semi-hybrid build. Mostly build for secondaries, but take aiming systems mod 1 instead of the minor secondary range improvement
They are not conterparts beyond the name though as they are different ships. The WoWS Heinrich is a modernized Ersatz Yorck class "battlecruiser", while the AL Heinrich is a D-class panzershiff, an "improved" version of the Deutschland class cruisers (Graf Spee).
She looks fun. Unfortunately my WoWs time is limited, so I will almost certainly have to wait out the techtree grind. It'll take a lot to displace Scharnhorst as my go-to fun ship. Powercrept as she is, I still have a blast hunting DDs and CAs. Her secondaries do seem to've lost some sting, though. 'Sad.
I already wonder about Pommern - (coal ship) - compared to the new Prinz Rupprecht Battlecruiser. But it would be interesting to see the Prinz Heinrich vs the Hood.
This isnt even the worst matchmaking I've seen. I remember getting into a 6 v 6 with double CV. Granted, I was one of the CVs, but it was no fun for anyone, including me.
I mean I think the secondaries did decently. It's about 27k if you count the fires (which you should I think) after subtracting torp damage (which is rare to get like this I would say) 27k is ~5th of the damage.
This line will power creep the current line unless they tweak it some. However, sometimes I get tired of the squishiness and the Preussen looks like a nice alternative when it comes out. The lower tiers will need tweaks though.
Its not faster than Gneisenau. Gneisenau base speed is 32 knots (Heinrich is 28 knots). The Heinrich has way less penetration on the guns (it has Bayern guns), less range, only 3 heals instead of 4, worse armor and no turtleback.
Gneisenau has: - 32 knots (33.5 with flag) - 19.5km main battery range - 127mm secondaries with 32mm - AP has more pen (modern shells) - Consumable slot for spot plane/fighter - Tougher armour in general - A little bit more HP and more Repair Party But I see Prinz Heinrich has a lot going for her.
when the new line t7 is just a straight upgrade over its equivalent......like what are you really losing? Pen? From guns that have terrible pen anyway?
Best watch out with a title like that, here comes the German BB defense force who have no idea what makes a ship good in this game. "bUt ThEsE sHiPs HaVe No TuRtLeBaCk ArMoR" "gNeI HaS bEtTeR sEcOnDaRiEs"
You spent a large portion of game time hanging around the B and C lines. Seems not a good idea because of the sigma 1.5 guns. Also the gneis player launched the first set of torps way too early.
It’s a hypothetical 1930s refit of an Ersatz Yorck-class battlecruiser. The entire German battlecruiser line are either real WWI ships or hypothetical refits of WWI ship designs.
@@coru307 I guess that makes sense, them being battlecruisers. Even if a ship was never built, I still find it interesting if it has a basis in reality.
My first game with this, I got around 70k and 1 kill bottom tier. The second game I was top tier and got a couple of kills and about 90 something damage, I felt like I could kill everything on the map. If the game would have lasted longer and things been closer, I would have had a good score. The point is I like this ship a lot and if the higher tiers are same but better, I can't wait to get them. Good game pal.
@@Fackeldackel Yeah, well I don't play in clanbattles and besides.. I stopped playing altogether.. I don't believe DDs, CVs and subs can be balanced to the point where we will have fun battles again.. I remember the game when it was still in beta and it may just be nostalgia, but I preferred it back then..
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@@Dcarp7 same
What we can do with this analholes called the CVs Players ?
I love when flamu squawks lol, that one when he was coming out of the menu to find the reinforce sector button and the bombs were already falling was gold.
The rare Finnish frigate bird.
Reinforce sector, _Reinforce sector_
presses ESC to go back to game
Saipan: launches bombs
Flamu: ăá
Saipan: misses
10:30 to 11:10 plays just like the calm-panik-calm-panik meme 😂
That’s going in the next meme vid
It’s just calm-panik-panik-panik tho🤣
The best Teammate was the Shira at the start, who doesn´t played any objective, just went around at D and tried to kill the CV and failed and didn´t even get the kill. That are the best players. And the endresult shows it, he is 3rd from behind.
I saw a lot of that happen before. It especially sucks when the DD that does this is the only one your team had for that half of the map. Even worse, it was a 1 DD / team game.
@@Warmaker01 Imagine playing a DD and having bbabies hiding behind islands and cruisers hiding behind BB's the whole time.
@@MarvinWestmaas sounds ideal to me. My torps will easily hit a big fat BB and cruisers will be too far to be dangerous.
@@Arisudev funny guy I bet you can back up that unicum big guy talk
@@MarvinWestmaas And what's your ign, for research purposes? Not to say no one would trust your word if we asked what your PR is, but I actually am saying that.
Logically, low caliber battlecruiser get 8x380 and 12km torps and hydro , battleship line however, 6 guns 6km torps and no hydro
powercreep at its finest. Paper beats reality everytime, because imagination!
@@selectthedead well tier 7 isn't exactly paper, though they weren't completed (and of course imaginary ww2 refit)
@@arczer2519 they meant the Prinz Freidrich, whic was a paper ship.
@@bdub1682 Was also not a paper ship, Germany build it, together with the Bayern but it wasn't finished. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mackensen-class_battlecruiser#/media/File:Hamburg_port_NARA-68155073_(cropped).jpg
@@bdub1682 well it's not, it's a Ersatz Yorck-class a modified Mackensen-class desing that was laid down in 1916..
That medium-close range Vladivostok shatter reminds me of the time when I was playing a stock FDG and the exact same thing happened against a Soyuz at the exact same range, died for it because the vulnerable broadside was impervious to my shells, I needed him to take one citadel for me to live, and ofc German pen is total crap for no reason.
I mean FDG has Iowa pen.
I can almost guarantee that he was angled. At medium to close range FDG has more than enough pen to blow through a soyuz broadside. 406 or 420 it doesn't matter
@@gusp6612 It's a bit less now that I actually look it up, but still. What I said happened in my anecdote DID happen.
Whenever I shoot at broadside russian BB's it looks like lock-on goes off and I do like no damage at all. It's so fucking annoying and it always happens against russian BB's or other ships with citadels that are notoriously easy to hit e.g Yamato
Not gonna lie, I personally think after the CV rework, the aiming/targeting system of the game just felt wonkier. That's just me and its been like that for years. Maybe I was potato, idk but its fishy lol.
Flamu: Imagine adding CVs to the game, sadge
WeeGee: But wait, there's more
>Proceeds to release subs and super ships and possibly Submarine CVs that shoot planes from under the water that shoot your ship while being untargetable
I miss the days of RTS, because at least some people could spec AA and *actually* do something about the planes.
Or you could do what I did and spec out a CV for air superiority and basically shut down other carriers. So much more fun playing CVs back then than they are now.
10:30, comedy gold.
Also, yeah, these ships look like a ton of fun. And some people payed a ton of money to skip them ...
how much did the schlieffen go for anyways
@@zeerk2466 Over 25k dubloons, I believe
@@ironvader502 for a techtree ship u get after 10 battles when u slap some flags on ur ships :D
@@zeerk2466 I know right!?
They are from tier 6 up, the tier 3, 4 and 5 are just flat out worse than the other BB's. *Only* thing those three do better is speed.
The fact that you have to tell those CVs to move is beyond me. I mean the autopilot is literally doing all the work for this class. One click and they are out of danger while still printing plains.
Some players even struggle with that.
Is it me or is there something weird going on in a game where "AA defensive expert" is earned by the enemy team before anyone has earned a "first blood"? 4:15
There are two cv ...when they Fly to one side maybe you can kill enough planes in 4 mins?
It's not weird. It's just carriers trying to kill a single ship all game and flying through the heaviest AA bubbles for it.
At this point I am wondering just how badly WG will nerf these ships thanks to Flolo his feedback. 😅
But they look so much fun. Too bad I gave up on the game and have no intention of coming back. It got way to frustrating for me to play and that was before the submarines...
Well if we think back to Odin and Agir...
Community: We would like less CVs in the game. They destroy our fun.
Wargaming: Let's put 2 CVs in on each side.
Haven't there always been two CVs per side? Or did they reduce it at some point while I wasn't playing much?
Someone should tell those cv main that there's a game call
Carrier command 2
Too hard for them
But why should a game about warships lack the strongest warships ever?
@@slnwrk because is a video game. And video games need correct balance to be fun. According to history CVs are the most powerful warships.
But In world of warships we have:
Ships that reload in 1 second, cruisers that survive full battleship salvos while sailing full broadside, Radar and hydro that goes through islands, homing torpedoes, infinite ammo, ships that never existed, and much more.
Don't bring history into this because history left this game long time ago.
@@slnwrk weird point. The game had CVs from the start. They were fairly balanced then. Since the rework, they aren't
@@weir-t7y He's talking abt now. And no1 enjoys 2 CVs per team in a match
So much fun 75% of your viewers haven't got this fun game installed anymore.
Entertaining looking game there. Real sorry to see your only DD do what he did. Great job BTW in how you handled the clump of ships out west, normal procedure for most players would be to kite away, but you pulled it off.
Move over everyone...Brandenburg has joined the game.
just brought it :)
@@GeoffParsons1469 Noice.
I don't know if they power creep the OG german BBs, but they fill the secondary role better, but the original German BBs have better armor(not good enough to not get HE spammed), More health, and on average bigger guns. I would say more guns in some cases but GK is going away. They also get an extra heal and unlimited damage cons.
Looking at this again - got the Mackensen with BongoBucks and was trying to figure out whether it was worth gathering the XP for the Prinz Heinrich when the line goes live. And I think so. Mackensen is the first one I actually enjoyed playing, and I can sell the Tier V and below to help fund the Prinz Heinrich.
Down side, particularly in comparison with the Gneisenau, is the Bayern guns. AP is not going to do much to battleships at any range over 10 km.
Up side, compared with the Gneisenau, is two more guns and a 360 degree rear turret. Higher gun arcs clear islands better, as shown in this video. And the guns appear a bit more accurate. Add 150 mm secondaries plus hydro, as you mentioned. Torpedoes may be more useful since you have to play closer anyway to get the guns to work.
I love it when people on the other servers see double CV and it's so unusual they mention it. Welcome to every fucking game on the asia server, and the reason why I quit when Ise was released.
Win or lose you attitude to the game is unreal keep it up
I'm so glad I love alone xD, my reaction to carriers in the Heinrich is the same but with more terrified yelling xD
Poor Scharnhorst. Finally gets an entire line that plays just like it but is better in every way.
Still gonna play it tho. 2.0 sigma is too good to ignore.
just play the old Germongs with tank build. Absorb all the damage that would otherwise go to your braindead broadside Chapayev
The sarcasm is a palpable thing here. Much fun was had by all.
to answer the description's question of "How hard will this line powercreep the current German BBs" in their current state? the only correct answer is "yes" except in the armor area i think
What, the armor that mostly does nothing except guarantee that you eat full pen damage instead of overpens?
Damn this is a hella tight match, well done !
Friendly cv with the aircover was nice to see
Cant wait for double CVs with 4 DDs and 2 subs.Ragequit on spot
What a great way to start a video, "what is this horseshit" cracked me up
it's games like this that I like running a sort of semi-hybrid build. Mostly build for secondaries, but take aiming systems mod 1 instead of the minor secondary range improvement
Oh wow WOWS make Heinrich fun like her AL counterpart.
They are not conterparts beyond the name though as they are different ships. The WoWS Heinrich is a modernized Ersatz Yorck class "battlecruiser", while the AL Heinrich is a D-class panzershiff, an "improved" version of the Deutschland class cruisers (Graf Spee).
'Needs an oppai mascot flag and idiot-savant captain dialogue.
She looks fun. Unfortunately my WoWs time is limited, so I will almost certainly have to wait out the techtree grind.
It'll take a lot to displace Scharnhorst as my go-to fun ship. Powercrept as she is, I still have a blast hunting DDs and CAs. Her secondaries do seem to've lost some sting, though. 'Sad.
I already wonder about Pommern - (coal ship) - compared to the new Prinz Rupprecht Battlecruiser. But it would be interesting to see the Prinz Heinrich vs the Hood.
Pom holds the slight advantage thanks to it's turtleback otherwise both ships are about equal I'd say.
yeah, islike CVs smells the fun and says
"oh no boy, something is burning down there"
I like that the first words he says is "wait, double cv ?????"
This isnt even the worst matchmaking I've seen.
I remember getting into a 6 v 6 with double CV. Granted, I was one of the CVs, but it was no fun for anyone, including me.
Imagine in the future where you get the chance to play with 2 carriers and 3 subs on every team an ur the only battleship in a 6v6
Please show us a game in the tier 8 Star Destroyer Zieten.
I mean I think the secondaries did decently. It's about 27k if you count the fires (which you should I think) after subtracting torp damage (which is rare to get like this I would say) 27k is ~5th of the damage.
You please the Gods of War! Valhalla awaits you!
the fun will never end,........nice
Poor old Gneisneau does not stand any chance. This thing is just a beast
That's a slick looking ship
10:47 11:06. Flamu probably got a pet crow, parrot or something.
Enemy 7 Provinces AA expert 5 minutes in lmao
This line will power creep the current line unless they tweak it some. However, sometimes I get tired of the squishiness and the Preussen looks like a nice alternative when it comes out. The lower tiers will need tweaks though.
So wait, this has 2 more guns and 1 more torpedo per laucher compared to Gneisenau, better dispersion and faster?
Any downsides?
Its not faster than Gneisenau. Gneisenau base speed is 32 knots (Heinrich is 28 knots). The Heinrich has way less penetration on the guns (it has Bayern guns), less range, only 3 heals instead of 4, worse armor and no turtleback.
@@Hayate186 so it's a tankier KGV with torps. Neat.
Gneisenau has:
- 32 knots (33.5 with flag)
- 19.5km main battery range
- 127mm secondaries with 32mm
- AP has more pen (modern shells)
- Consumable slot for spot plane/fighter
- Tougher armour in general
- A little bit more HP and more Repair Party
But I see Prinz Heinrich has a lot going for her.
that was the very first time i heard genuine panic is flamu's voice lmao
Flamu, have you tried brisk on these BCs. They do certainly look like good candidates thnx to that low concealment
Dont you ever doubt the spreadsheet. Twice the CV twice the fun. Welcome to World of Warplanes - Naval edition
whats the consumable in slot 4? havent seen that icon
@11:05 Perfection
Fun, my Yorkshire arse. I've never heard Flamu "pray" to the Gods of War quite so desperately. It's not a pretty sight.
German battleships: the torpedoes are so much more effective than the main guns, they’re basically destroyers. 😏
when the new line t7 is just a straight upgrade over its equivalent......like what are you really losing? Pen? From guns that have terrible pen anyway?
It also has thinner nose armor... at a tier where you get overmatched by everything anyway.
That was funny, arhhhhhh too much fun at once....
double CV happens awfully often these days.
thanks WG for so much fun!
Comrade you reached your mandatory quota of fun, please leave some for the more important classes.
Fek me i laughed so hard... "what's my button"!
Best watch out with a title like that, here comes the German BB defense force who have no idea what makes a ship good in this game.
"bUt ThEsE sHiPs HaVe No TuRtLeBaCk ArMoR" "gNeI HaS bEtTeR sEcOnDaRiEs"
*Video starts*
*Double CV in the first 3 seconds*
Me: hf duuuuude
are the firing angles better than the others?
what a brawl! gj :)
You spent a large portion of game time hanging around the B and C lines. Seems not a good idea because of the sigma 1.5 guns. Also the gneis player launched the first set of torps way too early.
Spreadsheet dictates that we need more vodka.
Would it be correct to say that this ship represents the planned "P-Class" cruiser in the Germans' Plan Z? If so, it's interesting.
It’s a hypothetical 1930s refit of an Ersatz Yorck-class battlecruiser. The entire German battlecruiser line are either real WWI ships or hypothetical refits of WWI ship designs.
@@coru307 I guess that makes sense, them being battlecruisers. Even if a ship was never built, I still find it interesting if it has a basis in reality.
@@coru307 apart from schlieffen -that is an expansion of a ww1 design
This thing was more fun then the entire gk line. Zeiten is crap but ruprecht and schleifen are great
Not being able to hit a stopped, broadside cruiser in a German BB isn’t a bug in this game. It is a feature….
Nice carry attempt. Potatoes were strong in this one.
11:02 😆😆😆
Step aside GneiseNO
having fun in a german ship? Comrade Spreadsheets says "must NERF!!!"
your mouse movements are so jerky in this video, It almost looked like an aimbot, lol. What mouse settings do you use?
cant wait for this line to get nerfed
Just got Heinrich today
Wait'll you see what Zeiten is like
I just researched prinz Heinrich
Step aside battleshits. CVs will Always win.
8:08 lmao good job DD how'd the cancer hunting go
So much fun that the Fun Meter broke..
What would happen if you told your teammates "No Fun 2 CV's" I quit please all do the same - then you all don't move or fire.
Moral of the story:
Do you like horse shit or dog shit ?
What is this weird dummy ass smoke stack im looking at
I like it
My first game with this, I got around 70k and 1 kill bottom tier. The second game I was top tier and got a couple of kills and about 90 something damage, I felt like I could kill everything on the map. If the game would have lasted longer and things been closer, I would have had a good score. The point is I like this ship a lot and if the higher tiers are same but better, I can't wait to get them. Good game pal.
Scharn & Gneis should get hydro, come on now.
wait do they not?
that scream xD
Don't really mind a dual CV match where one is lower tier. It usually gets boxed out by higher tier AA
When you get full dmg ingame=full ret4rd team you have.
Flamu's opinion on current WoWs status at 11:06
11:06 🤣
That dodge ahahahahahha
Ei essa partida foi do caralho
11:05.
Ah yes, the double CV games, where the fun never ends. Never starts, either, come to think of it...
love how the tier VII and VIII perm camos are so shit compared to the IX and X
And yeah - the german BBs are powercrept. Only really Gneis and Pommern are still interesting to me.
More fun brawlers in the game - sign me up. However - Gneis will always be #1 murder machine for me ;-)
For me aswell
11:06 lol
lol key-binding mid CV attack (+1 funfactor).
What I wouldn't have given for a gamemode without CV or subs.. Imagine a gamemode where only one class forces you to camp..
There will be one soon, next season of clanbattles will be a no fly zone. CVs not allowed.
@@Fackeldackel Yeah, well I don't play in clanbattles and besides.. I stopped playing altogether.. I don't believe DDs, CVs and subs can be balanced to the point where we will have fun battles again.. I remember the game when it was still in beta and it may just be nostalgia, but I preferred it back then..