Is Russia Really Using MUSEUM Tanks on the Front Line?

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  • Опубликовано: 22 дек 2024

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  • @TheQuickSilver101
    @TheQuickSilver101 Месяц назад +966

    There's no reason for Russia to pull tanks out of museums when they have fields full of these old tanks from the Soviet era. I think it would be more fair to call some of these tanks museum age rather than saying that they are from museums

    • @pkt1213
      @pkt1213 Месяц назад +80

      That's what I was thinking. The Soviets, and then Russians, never got rid of anything. There are 1,000s of tanks in some type of storage.

    • @cisarovnajosefina4525
      @cisarovnajosefina4525 Месяц назад +21

      ​@@pkt1213well in the 2000s there were thousands scraped

    • @wso4272
      @wso4272 Месяц назад +58

      The scrapyards are beginning to run out of armor. Not to mention thousands of tanks were scrapped at the end of the USSR lowering that number of tanks. You can subtract from that number even more with tanks that are beyond repair and those tanks that require long term repair then you see why they're just taking tanks out from museums and stuff like that. The tanks that are easily repairable have likely all been pulled from the yards

    • @amonbonyora89
      @amonbonyora89 Месяц назад +25

      @@pkt1213 to be fair they did export a lot of gear when it became obsolete as hand me downs to much of the third world

    • @johnmoorefilm
      @johnmoorefilm Месяц назад +3

      Correct, and thank you.

  • @maccurtis730
    @maccurtis730 Месяц назад +395

    Indian Jones: "That tank belongs in a museum!"
    Russia: "It will be fine!"

  • @Hathur
    @Hathur Месяц назад +349

    My cousin is a drone operator in Ukraine, he's destroyed or participated / had a drone present in the destruction of several dozen Russian tanks. Says he's never once seen a T-34 nor heard from other operators about a T-34 in Ukraine.

    • @ARKSH_22
      @ARKSH_22 Месяц назад +47

      Because there's no point in pulling them out Russia dosent make the ammo for them

    • @Liveandletlive86
      @Liveandletlive86 Месяц назад +7

      Lies

    • @bigwillyj4083
      @bigwillyj4083 Месяц назад +28

      The T-34 is only usable in prades and for demonstration purposes. There are pictures of the SU-152, T-34 and SU-100 on training grounds. Those are dated and geo located. But they return to the base museum right after the demonstration.

    • @coajdka
      @coajdka Месяц назад +5

      Several dozens 😂

    • @bigwillyj4083
      @bigwillyj4083 Месяц назад +16

      @@BIGHEADjr51 Thorazine comes in vanilla nowadays according to my wife the nurse. Neither side is dominating. The Ukrainian armed forces had reduced the Ru occupation from 27% to 18%. Russia is now slowly enlarging it back to 19% but losing everything in the process.
      They lost the initial number of troops used to invade and everything modern in the Ru army. The only thing preventing a complete collapse of the Russian armed forces are the private military companies, prisoners and they now are getting weapons and soldiers from North Korea. Russia went from being a well armed trained force to untrained beggars in two years time. They only have local number superiority but that is nearly gone with the loss of 1500 men each day (MIA, WIA, KIA and POWs) for a few meters of gains.

  • @PxThucydides
    @PxThucydides 27 дней назад +84

    The Leopard A1 is also pretty close to museum ready. In fact a few years ago the Canadian army sold all theirs- one ended up in the possession of a farmer near Edmonton, who was using it as a very heavily armed and armoured device to pull things around his farm. Then Afghanistan happened and after a bit of battlefield experience, the army called up and asked if they might possibly have the thing back.

    • @cpfs936
      @cpfs936 24 дня назад +16

      Strangely appropriate, considering that tanks originated from tractor-type equipment, and were "hidden" early on by the Nazis as "tractors". (Side note: if you want to clear stone or pull stumps, you probably couldn't do much better than a tank! 😄)

    • @verro9153
      @verro9153 21 день назад +6

      @@cpfs936 a lot of ww2 tanks ended up as farming tractors post war

    • @gedq
      @gedq 18 дней назад +2

      @@cpfs936 so did the British, why they're called "tanks" of course...

    • @Riceball01
      @Riceball01 15 дней назад +1

      @@gedq Tank was just a code name given by the British to the first tanks because the project was top secret. It had nothing to do with their intended purpose or because they looked like some sort of tank, they simply referred to them as water tanks, or just tanks for short, so that nobody would have any clue about what they were really working on.

  • @Azandeer
    @Azandeer Месяц назад +175

    "Shackled as we are by facts."
    Thank goodness you are. The recent push for journalists wanting to "move beyond objectivity" is simply repugnant.

    • @silverhawkscape2677
      @silverhawkscape2677 Месяц назад +4

      Journalist have always moved beyond Objectivity. They are simply returning to their roots.

    • @semicolon101
      @semicolon101 27 дней назад +1

      Yeah agree thanks for this

    • @jimtalbott9535
      @jimtalbott9535 25 дней назад +1

      @@silverhawkscape2677Human behavior, seems to me. Some journalists are better at objectivity than others.

    • @kevinschuurmans7738
      @kevinschuurmans7738 25 дней назад +2

      Shackled by a false narrative. 😅

  • @shawnjohnson9763
    @shawnjohnson9763 Месяц назад +206

    Covert Cabal has done a number of videos about Russian tank storage facilities using the most recent available satellite images. It's good stuff if you're interested in that sort of thing.

    • @taln0reich
      @taln0reich Месяц назад +15

      yeah, he's good for that kind of stuff.

  • @jon9021
    @jon9021 Месяц назад +185

    12:35 the second the Daily Mail is mentioned in the same sentence as “journalism”, you might as well forget any actual truth..

    • @vic5015
      @vic5015 Месяц назад +3

      Seriously. The Daily Fail is your source? Do better, Fact Boy!

    • @kaltaron1284
      @kaltaron1284 Месяц назад +22

      @@vic5015 It's not their source. But it's probably where the (mostly baseless) claim originated.

    • @itarry4
      @itarry4 Месяц назад +8

      ​@@vic5015the fact it was the source of the story this video then pulled apart didn't need doing better. They ripped it apart very well and I good detail.

    • @Narangarath
      @Narangarath Месяц назад +5

      @@vic5015 What more did you want? The only thing missing was a Brain Blaze style tangent about what a POS the Daily Mail is and that wouldn't have been super appropriate in a serious video.

    • @oscaranderson5719
      @oscaranderson5719 Месяц назад +1

      ⁠@@Narangarathyeah BB/DtU are where he openly dishes on the Daily Mail 😂

  • @Amehdion
    @Amehdion Месяц назад +87

    When I hear "using museum tanks" I just think of tanks that you might find in a museum not necessarily literally taking a tank from a museum display.

    • @zedeyejoe
      @zedeyejoe 28 дней назад +4

      UK has a T72 tank (and a T80) in a museum. War trophies from Iraq. The museum (Bovington) is also used to train tank crew on tank design.

    • @SonsOfLorgar
      @SonsOfLorgar 26 дней назад +1

      ​@@zedeyejoe and the main Swedish tank museum contains a Strv122B and Strf 9040C, the latest version of both vehicles that's currently in service both in Sweden and donated to Ukraine.

    • @zacharyberry5019
      @zacharyberry5019 23 дня назад +2

      @@SonsOfLorgarUkraine doesn’t call themselves a world super power…😂 Ukraine is using any weapon they can find. Russia is supposed to be an elite military force according to itself

    • @just4funallday508
      @just4funallday508 10 дней назад

      @@zacharyberry5019 I wonder how Ukraine would respond to the USA offering M60 tanks..."Nice offer, but our junkyards are full enough" :)

    • @Joesolo13
      @Joesolo13 9 дней назад

      @@just4funallday508 Yea little benefit to such things. Maybe in an exchange with third countries to send more ex-soviet tanks to Ukraine.

  • @genericfakename8197
    @genericfakename8197 Месяц назад +110

    I've called Russian armour "museum pieces" before, I don't literally mean "tanks pulled from museums." They have massive storage feilds of tanks that the Russians consider serviceable and I would say belong in a museum.

    • @dianapennepacker6854
      @dianapennepacker6854 Месяц назад +8

      Yeah I have never read anything from someone insisting they were from actual museums. They were using it as a phrase..
      This video is weird hah.

    • @andrewgreen1940
      @andrewgreen1940 Месяц назад +6

      Not so much now those tank storage parks are emptying fast.

    • @FelipeScheuermann1982
      @FelipeScheuermann1982 23 дня назад +1

      Many belong into scrapyards😂

    • @funny3scene
      @funny3scene 20 дней назад

      They don’t anymore, those fields are empty

    • @TimoteiE2
      @TimoteiE2 19 дней назад

      ​@@FelipeScheuermann1982 well no most are fine and just need the engine fixed up

  • @jakkeni7212
    @jakkeni7212 Месяц назад +90

    I was extremely surprised that the person on the phone was so candid calling the war in Ukraine an invasion, instead of calling it "a special military operation"

    • @chaosknight9131
      @chaosknight9131 Месяц назад +9

      As long the government doesn't hear it and you have the plausible deniability to refute it if they do. It should be okay

    • @kaltaron1284
      @kaltaron1284 Месяц назад +17

      Simon said that they translated it themselves so who knows what he said. Then again if he was convinced he was speaking with people from outside the country, he might have chosen not to use the official terminology.

    • @garmrbanalras2579
      @garmrbanalras2579 Месяц назад +5

      Could be that invasion was just their translation, but the actual word used was more in line with the official line.

    • @MakerInMotion
      @MakerInMotion 25 дней назад +2

      They might not care as much if it's said to foreigners. Like how Chinese officials can refer to Taiwan as Taiwan if they're talking to western journalists when that's a big NO-NO at home.

    • @scubapsa
      @scubapsa 13 дней назад

      That museum curator is dead probably

  • @jjanovsky1983
    @jjanovsky1983 Месяц назад +21

    The quoted storage numbers for T-55s and T-62s are very obsolete/inaccurate - people like Covert Cabal have repeatedly counted and IDed Russian tanks in storage and actual numbers are far lower.

  • @boyraceruk
    @boyraceruk Месяц назад +65

    A RUclips channel putting accuracy over clickbait? Staggering.

    • @Jadzo87
      @Jadzo87 Месяц назад +3

      He's good, many channels....many...enjoy

  • @Abusemtex
    @Abusemtex Месяц назад +26

    The T-62 und T-64 are two completely different designs. While the 62 is simpler coming from the T54/55 line, the 64 was basically the first sovjet MBT with even better performance than the later T-72.
    Also there was some video evidence of a IS3 being reactivated - but not sure by which side.

    • @treeshakertucker5840
      @treeshakertucker5840 Месяц назад +5

      I believe it was reactivated from a Ukrainian memorial by the actual separatists in 2014 before the "separatists" arrived.

    • @joshuagann8026
      @joshuagann8026 26 дней назад +2

      The T64s were Iraqs second tank to the T72 back in the 90s , they also had alot of T55s apparently. An I don't mean they just had them those were their main Armor. I was in the Army 96-98 an remember those 3 being the main ones we were trained to identify those an the BMPs. Not sure though as I never saw combat .

    • @TaitLawrence-xl2xb
      @TaitLawrence-xl2xb 26 дней назад +3

      The IS-3 was started up by some Pro-Russian Ukrainians in the Donbas region in 2014

    • @IntoTheVoid1981
      @IntoTheVoid1981 23 дня назад

      ​​@@TaitLawrence-xl2xb"Pro-Russian Ukrainians" = Russians

    • @villesorjonen5779
      @villesorjonen5779 19 дней назад

      Russia funded terrorist group which has promised 12 foot wife and mansion if they betray own country 👺​@@TaitLawrence-xl2xb

  • @krolixrolix
    @krolixrolix 22 дня назад +12

    I was in kubinka museum this summer, all the tanks are still there. all. Even the most modern looking ones the t-72 B too

    • @kthec1298
      @kthec1298 18 дней назад

      there is no reason at all to use tanks from the museums, this was just another bullshit by western trolls, russia has a shit ton of t-55/t-62/t-64 that they can use before even considering reviving some t-34 tanks

  • @jackfred7670
    @jackfred7670 Месяц назад +52

    Great video, love that you actually went so far as to phone into Russia and get a primary source.
    It's ludicrous RUclipsrs do more fact checking than respected news agencies, the press should be ashamed.
    News agencies should face fines if caught spreading fake news/misleading stories for profit.
    1st time commenting, thoroughly enjoy all Simon's channels and the content the brilliant writers produce.

    • @scottmeredith3359
      @scottmeredith3359 Месяц назад +5

      Simon didn’t do any of that, his help did. He just reads the scripts

    • @charlemagne111027
      @charlemagne111027 Месяц назад +9

      ​@scottmeredith3359 you'll be shocked to learn the same is true of most newscasters

    • @nroke1684
      @nroke1684 Месяц назад +8

      ​@@scottmeredith3359they thanked the writers in their comment.
      I'm pretty sure most Simon fans don't think Simon is anything more than a manager and face, his writers are very good at their jobs though, and the fact that they keep coming back tells me that Simon pays them well.

    • @gantulgaganhuyag717
      @gantulgaganhuyag717 Месяц назад

      ​​@@scottmeredith3359But he got his channels to that point where he just reads texts 😅 that's culmination of years of effort, sweat and toils from his side

    • @Rebel9668
      @Rebel9668 27 дней назад +1

      I'm not sure how much stock I'd put in anything Russia itself say's. Remember, they also claim to shoot down 99% of all the missiles and drones and when a factory/ammo dump/air base/oil refinery takes a hit it is always invariably claimed that it was debris that hit them and caused all the massive explosions, lol.

  • @patwilson2546
    @patwilson2546 Месяц назад +90

    Depends on what you call a museum tank. T-34, no. T-55 most certainly, yes, which is only a decade older than the T- 34. T-34s were seen on a training ground.

    • @jonathangrafton4016
      @jonathangrafton4016 Месяц назад +12

      T-55 is younger than the T-34, T-34 was 1940, T-55 was 1948.

    • @cisarovnajosefina4525
      @cisarovnajosefina4525 Месяц назад +11

      Only a decade younger*

    • @therealgaben5527
      @therealgaben5527 Месяц назад +5

      While true, the Soviets unlike the U.S. took very active measures to modernize their older vehicles. So a lot of t-55 are going to be better than western tanks from the same era

    • @therealgaben5527
      @therealgaben5527 Месяц назад +5

      Not to mention that the vast majority of tank use in this war is for infantry support and not tank v tank combat, where the t-55 would preform just fine

    • @McDuggets
      @McDuggets Месяц назад +18

      @@therealgaben5527There is no scenario where western powers would send tanks from 1948 to the frontlines

  • @zedeyejoe
    @zedeyejoe 28 дней назад +7

    Thirty T-34 tanks, produced in 1944, were brought back to Russia from Laos and passed to Russian ministry of defense. They are supposed to be used for parades, I don't see them being sent to Ukraine.
    Now it turns out that Ukraine did use a Panther tank at a road block. It was a film prop, based on a T55. No one would use a Panther, they are just too valuable.

  • @butterchicken83
    @butterchicken83 Месяц назад +135

    You know things are dire when you're borrowing troops from your unfriendly neighbourhood dictator, and bring out the antiques.

    • @Bohemianrevival
      @Bohemianrevival Месяц назад +24

      There's a major difference between "it ain't broke so don't fix it' (B52) and 'were broke so lets fix it' (Russian Tanks).

    • @basixs88
      @basixs88 Месяц назад +17

      You believe western propaganda way too much

    • @jonathangrafton4016
      @jonathangrafton4016 Месяц назад +15

      @@basixs88 Famous western propagandist, Vladimir Putin.

    • @Ji66a
      @Ji66a Месяц назад +1

      You spelt “slaves” wrong

    • @toninhosoldierhelmet4033
      @toninhosoldierhelmet4033 Месяц назад

      @@basixs88 chief i dunno, even with "western propaganda at play" introducing NK to your turf war ins't doing you any geopolitical credit score favors, also it's so funny that you people point and laugh at "western" propaganda but say nothing about all the kremlin outlets, hmm yeah, yall sure winning a lot of followers by being hypocrites.

  • @roberthill5805
    @roberthill5805 Месяц назад +5

    I've looked into this as well and found one instance of Russia pulling an old tank from a museum, but not for the front lines. They pulled one as it was well maintained, the parts and instructions were well documented, and they also "borrowed" the mechanic who worked on it. Basically they wanted it as an example for them to update the fields of armor they already had, and returned the tank afterwards after some back and forth. There may have been others since they have factories here and there, and needing an example of what the thing should look like after you are done would be useful.

  • @Zack_Wester
    @Zack_Wester Месяц назад +8

    The report on the Museum could also be a case of a "miss translation or miss labeling" as I know there at least was a Tank dump/mothball (where you store older tanks long term... something the Soviet/Russia loves to do) and them been labeled as outdoor museum (what museum would have 10000 identical copies of the same T-60 tank is another question).
    note some of those Tank stodge can be visited (limit on when and what part but you can visit them like a museum so I can see that slip past).

  • @erasmus_locke
    @erasmus_locke Месяц назад +29

    T-55 has absolutely been used by Russia in Ukraine.
    Unsurprisingly it was destroyed quickly.

    • @liszarezo3658
      @liszarezo3658 23 дня назад +2

      T- 54 Also by both side.

    • @kthec1298
      @kthec1298 18 дней назад

      they use them as artillery, every gun that shoots a big HE across the field is better then no gun and they used some t-54s as drones, they packed them full with explosives and let it drive into the ukranian trenches

  • @cheensenm
    @cheensenm Месяц назад +15

    The reasons Russia now pulling old T-55 and T-62 out of storage is because of its simplicity to repair ), easier to train and operate by conscripts or new recruits. Russia also is getting low on 125mm ammo use by T-72/T-80s, while having bulk of old soviet 115mm ammo and massive supply from North Korea.

    • @morstyrannis1951
      @morstyrannis1951 Месяц назад +2

      You’re overlooking the fact that the reason it’s easy to maintain and learn to use is that it’s obsolete. It doesn’t need high tech parts that ruSSia is struggling to procure.

    • @viceralman8450
      @viceralman8450 Месяц назад +1

      They are easy to destroy and crew can't be cheaply manufactured in a factory.

    • @nikolaideianov5092
      @nikolaideianov5092 Месяц назад

      ​@@viceralman8450that would requier russia to care
      Theres a reason why all credible death numbers are much higher for russia then ukraine

    • @ARKSH_22
      @ARKSH_22 Месяц назад +5

      ​@@morstyrannis1951why are you referring to Russia as Russian when Ukraine actively operates Nazi battalions like azov who use those symbols???

    • @thelitsquad2718
      @thelitsquad2718 Месяц назад

      ​@@ARKSH_22 task force rusich doesn't exist in your brain? 🤡🤡🤡

  • @Phil_AKA_ThundyUK
    @Phil_AKA_ThundyUK Месяц назад +5

    10:08 - Would any Russian really use the world "invasion" when denying they're not using their stored vehicles in the invasion of Ukraine or did you paraphrais there a bit?

  • @mcs131313
    @mcs131313 Месяц назад +19

    Simon can we kill the frantic background music - or use it more sparingly?
    (Just my opinion - disregard if others don’t feel that way)

    • @drewlovely2668
      @drewlovely2668 Месяц назад +3

      I feel like it was better in this one. There have been some I thought it was too loud but this one I diddnt notice it.

    • @coffeedealerr
      @coffeedealerr Месяц назад

      @@drewlovely2668yeah they’ve definitely controlling the Colin better recently so I don’t mind

  • @tanketkal3
    @tanketkal3 Месяц назад +5

    12:20, just came back from cubinka. The first vehicle is a BMPT prototype, which wouldnt be of much use anyways, and the second is a t-80b. Can confirm both are still at their place.

    • @krolixrolix
      @krolixrolix 22 дня назад +2

      @@tanketkal3 согласен, был там месяц назад

  • @JeffVanDusseldorp
    @JeffVanDusseldorp 19 дней назад

    Thanks!

  • @davidponseigo8811
    @davidponseigo8811 25 дней назад +2

    My brother in law was in the Battle of Mogadishu ( Blackhawk Down ) he was a Navy Seabee who was fighting with the Marine Corps and he said that when they were just about to be overrun other NATO forces arrived and many countries were using tanks from WW2 , Korean War and Vietnam. He said they were never more happy to see outdated tanks coming to the rescue.

    • @just4funallday508
      @just4funallday508 10 дней назад

      Kinda a different situation. The Somalians had mostly man portable weapons. Even 20-50 year old armor provided good protection in 1993. Today many man portable arms pose a much greater threat to old armor that doesn't have battlefield awareness and advanced defenses. Up armored HMMWVs were decent protection in Mogadishu. Blackhawk down emphasized the HMMWVs in the event were thin skin, not up armored. Remember the junior soldier that complained about the lack of up armored HMMWVs, the dramatic response, and subsequent development of MRAPs.

  • @Ji66a
    @Ji66a Месяц назад +8

    I’m confused as to why it matters that they are directly from Museums if they are soo old and obsolete that they should be in museums…

    • @MrRatlud
      @MrRatlud Месяц назад +3

      Nothing is old or obsolete if it can be used for a specific task. Those machines use 115mm ammo that is available in large numbers in stock and it is free. They are field guns for long range indirect fire on static positions. This is evident of the destructions back of the contact line 3-5km or more. When damaged or the gun is no longer serviceable, they are used to haul other machines to repair shops or rigged with explosives and sent to fortified positions like battering rams or to clear mines. There are many things one can do if something is basically free. Ukraine has been provided some engineering vehicles based on M60 (that is also very old tank) exactly to remove mines and haul other damaged machines.

    • @Ji66a
      @Ji66a Месяц назад +1

      @ that’s not true because it can still obsolete for the task it was created for. Which was being a battle tank not self propelled artillery or a tow truck… And my point was that it feels like semantics them making a video about tanks being pulled from museums when the tanks in question are old enough to be in museums… and are!

    • @nikolaideianov5092
      @nikolaideianov5092 Месяц назад

      ​@@MrRatludthe m60 is closer to a t72 then a t55
      What russia is currently doing would be = of the us useing m46 tanks
      Even the first m60 is much better then t55s
      (Ignoring that all were upgraded in all countrys soo long ago)

    • @CdrChaos
      @CdrChaos 24 дня назад +1

      Because it paints a clear picture of how desperate Russia is that they can’t rely their assembly lines to produce new tanks, or can’t simply pull existing tanks from storage facilities where they’ve been maintained and kept in a functional state.
      Having to pull literal museum pieces out or museums for the war would show just how desperate they are to get any kind of armored vehicle to the frontlines.

    • @kthec1298
      @kthec1298 18 дней назад

      propaganda, its just to underline the western narrative that russia is losing, they are losing so badly that they have more land then last year

  • @ignitionfrn2223
    @ignitionfrn2223 Месяц назад +2

    0:45 - Chapter 1 - T34S
    6:35 - Chapter 2 - T62S
    14:15 - Chapter 3 - Losses & performance

  • @dagdamor1
    @dagdamor1 Месяц назад +33

    Trick question, a lot of their hardware is so obnoxiously dated that it should be in museums by now anyways.

    • @Flight_of_Icarus
      @Flight_of_Icarus Месяц назад +2

      Yeah, even if they're not literally emptying museums, the point is that most of what they're using is so obsolete the only place it really should belong is a museum.

    • @nikolaideianov5092
      @nikolaideianov5092 Месяц назад +1

      ​@@Flight_of_Icarusyeah
      What russia is pulling out is basicly the same as the us pulling out m46 tanks (maybe even m26) would be

    • @FrostbiteDigital
      @FrostbiteDigital 17 дней назад

      The Abrams is a tank from the 1980's and the Leopard 1 is from the mid 1960's. Both of which are technically speaking, outdated platforms yet are being used by Ukraine. But nobody talks about that
      It seems like using tanks from the 60-80s is a common thing even in NATO countries. Probably because it's easier and cheaper to upgrade old tanks rather than design and build new ones...

    • @nikolaideianov5092
      @nikolaideianov5092 17 дней назад

      @FrostbiteDigital the diffrence is that they are upgraded
      Russia is pulling out unmodifed t55s
      A late 40s design

    • @FrostbiteDigital
      @FrostbiteDigital 17 дней назад

      @nikolaideianov5092 I doubt those T-54/55's are all unmodified. One video featuring one unmodified tank doesn't cut it. Also Russia has upgraded, modernized T-72s, T-80s and T-90s, it's not like their hardware is "obnoxiously outdated" as OP implies

  • @w0lfgm
    @w0lfgm Месяц назад +2

    T-62 are upgraded for the modernisation.. They are not from the museums, they have enough in the depot and they are modernised for the that. Ucooled thermals, Composite addon composite armor, Relict ERA on the front, laser rangefinder and 3BM-21M APFDS... On the other side Ukrainan Army Using Leopard 1 and T-55 (from the Slovenia) as MBTs...

  • @iangwaltney2316
    @iangwaltney2316 Месяц назад +5

    I am glad that Simon remains shackled by facts

  • @fishingforyams
    @fishingforyams Месяц назад +9

    The T34s have only been on the training ground so far, but I give it a 50/50 chance we see one in Kursk before December.

    • @nikolaideianov5092
      @nikolaideianov5092 Месяц назад +2

      Yeah
      Same as the t55
      First only for training
      Then only for artillery
      Then used for frontal assults

    • @cohengamertv6548
      @cohengamertv6548 Месяц назад

      Jesus christ there, desprate

    • @RhysCampbell01
      @RhysCampbell01 Месяц назад

      Braindead

    • @Giganibba511
      @Giganibba511 25 дней назад

      Yeah so desperate and Ukrainians control went from 1287Skm to 489SKM wich failed measurably.
      Russia make 90-120 tanks per month , 900-1200 per year

    • @nikolaideianov5092
      @nikolaideianov5092 25 дней назад

      @Giganibba511 wtf is "SKM"
      Russia "makes" 120-90 tanks a month
      Russia doesnt make nearly as many new hulls
      Visualy confirmed russian tank looses (meaning the lowest possible number of looses) is over 3k

  • @MakerInMotion
    @MakerInMotion 25 дней назад +2

    I know a neat trick. If you destroy a tank, photograph it from 5 different angles then say "Look at these 5 tanks we destroyed."

    • @japanesehitler
      @japanesehitler 18 дней назад

      You need to be carful with the background to not give it away though

  • @cellardoor9882
    @cellardoor9882 Месяц назад +2

    Mark Felton made a video saying NK has around 200 of T-34 in active service

  • @trentr9762
    @trentr9762 Месяц назад +1

    I appreciate you and the team doing full research and doing so in a non biased manor, way to rare these days. Thanks for the hard work fellas!

  • @belunos7345
    @belunos7345 13 дней назад

    Bro, Simon, this is the best looking video I've seen you put out. Can you use these settings on the rest of your empire?

  • @Flight_of_Icarus
    @Flight_of_Icarus Месяц назад +5

    You know, I have a lot of respect for Museums and those that run them. If they're saying that their inventories are fine, then I believe them. I think they'd say if they didn't have the tanks too. The people there understand the importance of a proper accurate historical record, and they worked well with international museums before.

    • @Baddy187
      @Baddy187 Месяц назад

      I agree with your vision.

  • @Loewenphilosoph
    @Loewenphilosoph Месяц назад +3

    10:10 I highly doubt that the staff-member used the word "invasion" here.

    • @alucard347
      @alucard347 4 дня назад

      He said they were surprised to hear them refering to it as an invasion as well.

  • @halldorherm
    @halldorherm Месяц назад +3

    An interesting man once said. "Never let the truth get in the way of a good story"

  • @quonlee6711
    @quonlee6711 Месяц назад +11

    Could you guys do an episode breaking down the exact tank losses on both sides? Would be much appreciated.

    • @HelyosFR
      @HelyosFR Месяц назад +5

      Just watch a Perun vid, my lad, the guy has all the data!

    • @everypitchcounts4875
      @everypitchcounts4875 Месяц назад

      Do you not watch Perun?

  • @ChowdaEd
    @ChowdaEd 18 дней назад +1

    I think many people misunderstand how deadly even a WW2-era tank is, a t-34 against light infantry with only small arms is still getting pinned. Most groups may only have 1 or only a few AT guys if something happens to them it's still an unfair advantage. Luckily now we have drones and intelligence to counter dated threats but still, wouldn't want to be in a small urban environment trying to take one out myself. You can make the argument every weapon man has invented is good at taking life, but cavalry on horses is probably less scary than a tank capable of making semi-accurate fire upwards to 1-3 kilometers. Your little standard issue M4-Ak74-KM series is maybe good for semi-accurate fire upwards of 3-600 meters depending on the day and person.

    • @just4funallday508
      @just4funallday508 10 дней назад

      Kind of like armored medieval knights, not so great against gunpowder, but still pretty formidable against swords and pikes. The 'sticky bomb' scene in Saving Private Ryan emphasizes the disparity of small arms against armor; all they could hope for was disabling the tracks.

  • @andrewgreen1940
    @andrewgreen1940 Месяц назад +3

    13 T-55s on Oryx so far... they were horribly out of date in the 1st Gulf war 33 years ago

    • @zedeyejoe
      @zedeyejoe 28 дней назад

      A friend of mine (ex-British army) said the Iraqi police had T-55s. I bet our police wish they had T55s.

    • @Giganibba511
      @Giganibba511 25 дней назад

      Oryxx LMAAAO , False counting , Counting Blur vids , Counting from different angles , Fake counting. Even Ukrainians don't use that as main source lol

  • @kwdblade4683
    @kwdblade4683 Месяц назад +1

    Only Harrison Ford could truly state with certainly whether something belongs in a museum.

  • @SuiLagadema
    @SuiLagadema Месяц назад +3

    I'd be more worried about the lack of proper modern rifles. Don't get me wrong, the AKM and AKS series, specially the modernized ones are good, but in most videos they're not using the latest versions. If you can't provide your frontline troops the best available gear, how do you even expect they'll get modern tanks?

  • @jonathanmitchell3733
    @jonathanmitchell3733 Месяц назад +2

    Technically as long as it has a gun it's never obsolete as a weapon. Bayonet training is still in practice.

    • @japanesehitler
      @japanesehitler 18 дней назад

      Not obsolete doesn’t however mean effective

  • @davidgoodfellow2384
    @davidgoodfellow2384 25 дней назад +3

    They may look old but I still wouldn't like to be on the receiving end of one at all

    • @japanesehitler
      @japanesehitler 18 дней назад

      From the sounds of it I wouldn’t want to be in one either

  • @borism4629
    @borism4629 Месяц назад +1

    No tanks left, they use mighty shovels spiced with chilly peppers.

  • @JohnPeacekeeper
    @JohnPeacekeeper 24 дня назад

    This is the journalistic integrity I like to see. I've seen too many "news" reports on here that seems a bit off, because they tend to repeat reports they gave a day prior

  • @user-ve5ei2xe8h
    @user-ve5ei2xe8h 22 дня назад

    Simon... how many channels do you own?

  • @olympian543
    @olympian543 Месяц назад

    I really got to applaud the amount of research you and the team did. Stupendous job

  • @peterwarner553
    @peterwarner553 Месяц назад +1

    When the media says that russia is using museum pieces, I didn't, for an instant, think they were literally raiding museums, rather that it was a reference to the age of the equipment.
    I also assumed that that is how everyone else took it, guess I was wrong.

  • @leolyon2373
    @leolyon2373 Месяц назад +1

    Thanks Simon. From the Bronx

  • @glassbakeware
    @glassbakeware 19 дней назад

    Jesus how many channels does this dude have LOL I thought I was clicking on someone new and Simon pops up

  • @anthonyzinnel7416
    @anthonyzinnel7416 Месяц назад

    I love the research, getting rid of fake news. I just hope you keep up on the actual warfronts part of it

  • @ManiaMac1613
    @ManiaMac1613 Месяц назад +4

    No, Russia is not literally pulling tanks out of museums and sending them to Ukraine. But they ARE using tanks that are so old most countries WOULD have them in museums. Many of their tanks were built or designed in the 60s and 70s.

    • @sprolyborn2554
      @sprolyborn2554 Месяц назад

      That's not as bad as it sounds. The Abrams is a 70s design. The F-15 is a late 60s design. The F-16 even is a late 70s design. We in the states do actually have those in museums right now. While also still using the rest in active service.

    • @ManiaMac1613
      @ManiaMac1613 Месяц назад

      @sprolyborn2554 It’s really not the same thing; yes, the F-15 and F-16 are also Cold War-era jets, while the Abrams was designed in the same timeframe. The difference is that all of these vehicles have been upgraded continuously ever since their original combat debut. Most Abrams, F-15s and F-16s in service today rolled off the assembly line in the late 90s or the 2000s, and are outfitted with the latest electronics, countermeasures and weapons systems. Most of Russias Cold War era vehicles were built during the Cold War, left in storage for decades, and hastily reactivated after Russia's limited number of modern weapons were either rendered inoperable or canceled due to Western sanctions.

    • @sprolyborn2554
      @sprolyborn2554 Месяц назад

      @ManiaMac1613 right but you did say "designed in the 60s and 70s". All I was pointing out is that that alone is not really a point against them.

    • @viceralman8450
      @viceralman8450 Месяц назад

      @@sprolyborn2554 lol not that bad for example the americans already scrapped all the M60's, its like america was useing the damn M-46 Patton in combat now a days ridiculous.

    • @sprolyborn2554
      @sprolyborn2554 Месяц назад

      @@viceralman8450 I mean, the m46 would be like a half step above Russians actually using the t-34. The whole argument of the Abrams and t-72 is an apt comparison seeing as how they are the same era. So yeah, not that bad.

  • @AveragePootis
    @AveragePootis Месяц назад +14

    The T-64 is not even close to a T-62, autoloader, far superior cannon and composite armor before upgrades.
    The upgraded variants are far from the best tanks on the battlefield, but they are decent enough especially compared to truly obsolete vehicles like the T-55 and 62.

    • @DarkWarchieff
      @DarkWarchieff Месяц назад +2

      not if they stood out rotting for decades

    • @JohnDoe-fo7yi
      @JohnDoe-fo7yi Месяц назад

      If I recall, there are precious few T-64s vs T-62s, no? It was given to more elite units and wasnt widespread, again, iirc.

    • @dianapuskina3448
      @dianapuskina3448 Месяц назад

      considering that most agressive armor of ukrainian army is international maxxpro t-55 does not looks that obsolete

    • @AveragePootis
      @AveragePootis Месяц назад +1

      @@JohnDoe-fo7yi Yes, but they made in Kharkiv and was the primary MBT for post war ukraine along with the T-80UD.

    • @nikolaideianov5092
      @nikolaideianov5092 Месяц назад +1

      ​@@dianapuskina3448lol
      At least try to make the propaganda make sense
      This statment is so clearly not true

  • @NinjaSkittlez
    @NinjaSkittlez Месяц назад +1

    Every time I saw this headline i assumed they simply meant that they are so old they belong in a museum. I assumed Russia had a hefty supply of old tanks in reserve just like we do. Difference is theres seem a lot older and in much poorer repair.

  • @TheHangarHobbit
    @TheHangarHobbit 22 дня назад

    The only one I could see them digging out of a museum would be the ISU-152, they made over 4000 of them up until 1959 and a 152mm anti concrete shell would be useful as short-range artillery and bunker busting. Also, the fact they don't have a turret and have a flat top would make it easier to make an anti-drone shed on them without inhibiting the gun.

  • @MisterOcclusion
    @MisterOcclusion Месяц назад +4

    Some people, eh? A T34 would take longer to refit and reactivate than it would last on the battlefield 🙄

    • @ForeverSioux
      @ForeverSioux Месяц назад

      You can say that about a lot of the T-62s as well

  • @cabbievonbump
    @cabbievonbump Месяц назад

    Simon, I have a confession to make. I said a few months ago that if Russia started to pull T-34s out of his mothballed inventory that they were now fubar. However, with the first minute of this video with the claim that Russia was now pulling T-34s out of museums / mothballs, my first thought was:
    "Simon, Are You $#@!ing Me?!?!?!?!?" No Vaseline / KY jelly needed.

  • @Bobby-fj8mk
    @Bobby-fj8mk Месяц назад

    A report I saw once said that both sides were using old tanks - not to fight with
    but as decoys to draw fire from the enemy -
    with no one inside the tanks.

  • @gamechanger-455
    @gamechanger-455 Месяц назад

    This video delved so deep that it made me feel like it devolved into a troll video for media even deciding to run with this narrative lmao😂

  • @privateerbouncher9622
    @privateerbouncher9622 21 день назад +1

    Germany sort of did their at that by the end with the Battle of Berlin. They pulled out preserved WWI tanks as last stand against USSR

    • @japanesehitler
      @japanesehitler 18 дней назад

      While there was significant tank development between those wars it was only 20-25 years so the ammunition difference was most likely smaller then with old Cold War tanks

  • @spartan_ap8770
    @spartan_ap8770 Месяц назад

    Screw being more clickable..this channel is a gold mine

  • @jonathanhowland42
    @jonathanhowland42 Месяц назад +5

    People actually believe The Daily Mail?

  • @walnzell9328
    @walnzell9328 Месяц назад +2

    Literal museum pieces? No. Are they outdated as hell and deserve to BE in a museum? Oh hell yeah. There's not been any T-34s used in combat, but there have been T-55s, which is the next best, or I guess worse, thing. My God.

  • @lelouche25
    @lelouche25 23 дня назад

    I remember hearing some of them didnt even have chairs. So im just imagining Dimitri here slav squatting in the drivers place lol.

  • @ForeverSioux
    @ForeverSioux Месяц назад +2

    Javelin protection? Good luck with that!

  • @Spruce-Bug
    @Spruce-Bug Месяц назад

    Canada still has a majority of ww2 M101 105mm howitzers. Nations don't seem to want to make bulk war equipment anymore.

  • @stupidburp
    @stupidburp 26 дней назад

    Those storage areas for old armored vehicles have already lost most of their previous inventories. The remainder is of increasingly dubious serviceability status.

  • @RSBurgener
    @RSBurgener 19 дней назад +1

    I'd think they'd be too unreliable after all that time. Not only that, they probably have something from the 1970s and 80s that would be more likely to be fielded.

  • @bmxerkrantz
    @bmxerkrantz 21 день назад

    that comment is awesome. thanks for taking the time to find something verifiable.

  • @Laerei
    @Laerei 21 день назад +1

    Why pull them from museums when there's plenty of them in boneyards? Even when a war machine is retired, they are not immediately scrapped and instead are conserved in boneyards. Not that conservation is very good, Russia is after all a wet place with rough weather but they can be restored to somewhat functional condition with enough effort.
    USA similarly has boneyards with ancient war machines but USA has the luxury of dry deserts. There are Vietnam era airplanes in desert boneyards that can be quickly restored to working condition. You know, just in case. Though the boneyards are actively working through scrapping worst ones for spares for those that can be restored and they are not meant to be kept around forever. And spares for those that are still in active use. Retired F-15s and 18s and such.

  • @BloodyRaccoon
    @BloodyRaccoon 22 дня назад

    Don’t think anyone will read this but.
    Or if this has been said already.
    Like in most wars if you take tanks off an area that you are attacking. The pressure of tanks stop and gives the other enemy a chance to push forward knowing they don’t face tanks. The older tanks are just there to keep the pressure on as the newer tanks get repaired and reloaded.

  • @markaxworthy2508
    @markaxworthy2508 26 дней назад

    During the Falklands War, the British Army took an automatic weapon out of the Small Arms School Museum at Warminster for field us. My father was working there at the time.

  • @tjadams8
    @tjadams8 27 дней назад

    You just condemned the Kubinka Tank Museum staff. Putin's call: "Invasion?!? You mean Special Military Operation... Now, to the Gulag!"

  • @andreasottohansen7338
    @andreasottohansen7338 Месяц назад

    So what we are establishing is that the statement is hyperbolic.
    They aren't literally from museums, but some of the tanks being fielded are ones that belong in a museum over a battlefield.

  • @simonfrederiksen104
    @simonfrederiksen104 29 дней назад

    1:19 quality control wasn't important ever - in the 1930's the average life expectancy of a finished BT-7 tank was 150 HOURS of use until a major component had to be replaced - engine, gearbox etc

  • @Anton-mw1gf
    @Anton-mw1gf 22 дня назад +1

    No. Next question, please

  • @Kaltagstar96
    @Kaltagstar96 Месяц назад +11

    It's never a good sign when you have to fight cutting edge drones and weapons with tanks that are so old their armour is greying.

    • @ross_boss
      @ross_boss Месяц назад +2

      Thats just bio-urban camo

  • @mariusvanc
    @mariusvanc Месяц назад +4

    It's obviously bogus, museum pieces are deactivated and not mechanically functioning. They're also not maintained, and would require more work to get in operational condition than just building a new tank from scratch.

    • @TrexaterrediffTwitch
      @TrexaterrediffTwitch 24 дня назад

      have you seen the obj279 running, maybe not but there is vidéo proof of it running and that's a prototype from the 60s with a pretty unique engine and transmission, a lot of the tanks in the kubinka museum are working (maybe exept for the gun) if they are soviet tanks, obviously the maus can't run (with the plans for a majority of the parts having beiing destroyed) like many non soviet tanks

  • @davethompson3326
    @davethompson3326 2 дня назад

    Dammit, as an early Barbarossa Tabletop gamer, I am hoping to see the glorious BT series back in action!

  • @teresabenson3385
    @teresabenson3385 Месяц назад

    Really surprised you didn't cite Covert Cabal's research. Very detailex.

  • @rogierx
    @rogierx Месяц назад

    OMG it is so sad that a museum has only 3 or 4 examples of a T-34 or a T-62 or a T-55 and not 2000+ of them, for the plebs to gaze upon example after example after example. Such a shame.

  • @philipnesbitt3334
    @philipnesbitt3334 21 день назад +1

    I doubt that there is any ammo suitable for the T34s 76 or 85mm guns. No tanks have used these since
    the 40s, Laos may have a minimal amount. Common sense would have concluded this.

  • @multiyapples
    @multiyapples Месяц назад +1

    I didn't even know this was a headline.

  • @animalian01
    @animalian01 24 дня назад

    They aren't exactly pulling them from museums,but they are 100% using tanks that should be in museums.

  • @DNrSquar3d
    @DNrSquar3d Месяц назад +3

    That Kubinka staffer is cooked.

    • @rolandohiebert2144
      @rolandohiebert2144 Месяц назад

      Why?

    • @DNrSquar3d
      @DNrSquar3d Месяц назад

      @rolandohiebert2144 they called the invasion, well, an invasion. Officially it's a "sPeCiAl MiLiTaRy OpErAtIoN" and didn't rule out entirely the possibility of Russia being so desperate as to pull obsolete reserves for active use.
      Tl;dr they're fucked for being honest

  • @ralfdiehl4677
    @ralfdiehl4677 26 дней назад

    Is there still ammo for the T34 avaliable in a descent amount?

  • @konradfrancis2572
    @konradfrancis2572 5 дней назад

    Not sure where they got their numbers but oryx has listed 227 T-62 losses with 146 being destroyed

  • @jameslooker4791
    @jameslooker4791 Месяц назад

    The 2S7 Pion SPG is the only armored vehicle that I have heard of truly being pulled from museums and that was for Ukraine, not Russia. Probably the only artillery piece that's well suited for both the museum and the battlefield. Great to look at and great to have providing fire support.

  • @femboy989
    @femboy989 20 дней назад +2

    Fun fact russia has 2times more tanks on frontlines than 2022

  • @billballbuster7186
    @billballbuster7186 Месяц назад +2

    As you said Russia is fielding equipment thas been in storage for decades such as the T-54, T-62 and T-64, these tanks were never all that good in the first place. It is scarping the barrel, like the US deploying M-48 Pattons!

  • @remcodenouden5019
    @remcodenouden5019 26 дней назад

    They have been pulling T-55s out of storage, which is better than a T-34 by miles, but hopelessly outdated even by Leopard 1 standards

  • @timessiah94
    @timessiah94 6 дней назад

    Not saying tanks from a museum it's that they belong in a museum.

  • @jasonmussett2129
    @jasonmussett2129 25 дней назад

    I would imagine a lot of T62s are taken out of storage rather than museums.

  • @tomsmith2209
    @tomsmith2209 Месяц назад

    Oh man, I was kinda hoping for a video on landfills or hurricanes.

  • @snapdragon6601
    @snapdragon6601 29 дней назад

    That was really sporting of the Russian tank museum to answer the question so completely and candidly, despite the increased tensions between East and West since 2022. 👍

  • @JosephJohn-fb9wx
    @JosephJohn-fb9wx 16 дней назад

    It is a matter of record that Russia has taken tanks from companies that have kept them to rent out for use in films. These were commandeered. That story appeared in Russian and Ukrainian media several months ago. I don't know about museums though. It is also true that satellite inspection has revealed a serious draw down of tanks that were in Soviet era storage yards before the war. Many of these storage bases are empty of serviceable tanks. T55 and even earlier tanks have also appeared on the battlefield.