I have been fascinated with the Corvair since a kid and the rear mounted V6 is always been an idea I tossed around. I thought side quarter panel scoops made sense and an aluminum V6.
Agree with you on your cooling challenges and planned solutions 100% ! Every re-engineering design concept has it's challenges ! Without any challenges, there would be no reward !!! Great job with the project so far ! Merry Christmas !
I used to have a 64 Spyder although that doesn't mean I am an expert but I would put the radiator up front with louvers and exhaust the air down to leave trunk space. I would also up grade to a 1966 axle and transmission assembly as the 1966 transmissions were Saginaw using some the same gearing as front engine cars. I have worked on many Saginaws and they are a tough cheap transmission.
A lot of modifying to be done. Is a neat idea. Definitely a better engine than the flat 6 that your Corvair originally came with. Wish you all the best!
An intake scoop on each flank, above and behind the door. Drivers side for fresh air feed to an interior airbox and induction, pass side for cooling air. Scoops could be subtractive, like the NACA type.
For balance perhaps a front mount battery, and another radiator on the drivers side rear? Limiting straps for the swing axles? My 66 Corsa Convertible was the prettiest car I ever owned. Badly oversteered. Unequal tire size is a must. Good work, keep it up. They were thinking of an 8 for the Corvair, but sales numbers plummeting and R.Nader nixed that dream. The 215 aluminum v8 was considered. It weighed about the same, and there were turbo versions available.
A high school buddy put a small block V8 in a 65 Vair, mid engine. Radiator mounted in the front with grilles cut in between the headlights. Looked very clean and it cooled ok, as I remember.
The original Brittish Mini which was front engine transversly mounted had a similar radiator arrangement with i mounted longitudly next to the engine. They got it to work, i am sure you can.
On a Chieftain tank the radiators sit above the engine under the top cover grill blows the heat out the top fans on the back/underside of the rads . They can be rotated to the vertical position with the cover off. Fit the rad under the hood.
What a unique project car. Maybe a good inlet source of air is from the Right Hand Rear wheelhouse. Cut a square out of it. Build a Duct Funnel ? The 5.0 Mustang Renegade racers used to draw fresh air in from the Right front wheelhouse, no inner fenderwell like GM Cars have. Drilled cut out a 3 - 4 inch hole into the inner wheel area through thick Fenderwell Unibody, ran the aluminum tubing to and attached a K&N air filter. Disadvantage was filter got Road dirt on it driving but cool ambient High pressure air there driving. No hoodscoops or custom Ram Air design expense required. Still done that way 20 years later here Turbocharged LS GM Cars.
Cool build I was thinking to do the same with 3.8 l67 in regards to your idea about the rad you need free air delivery for that to work well I would do like the fiero ans Mont in the front on a angle
they make cooler and fan on the corvairs that had ac you could get a ac condensor and t off the water going though that also and have a fan mounted on it where it would bring the air in from the hood without cutting the hood then you could run some duck work on the rad side and mount a small fan to bring more air in on that side with cutting anything this sure has been great to see you put that in there
The latest Electric fans are Brushless ball bearings equipped motors. Still pricey. That old Ford Crown Victoria Cop Car Electric Fan is a good one. C4 Corvette guys used for a while. Stock was crap on C4 Corvette. Some Dodge Intrepid electric fan guys used to talk about using also small and moved alot of CFM Air
por favor cuando ud adacto el motos v6 en el corvair , lo acoplo al tren de traccion original del corvair, quiero decir acoplo el motor v6 a la transmicion y a la caja original del corvair
I looked at this and did a little head scratching. Couldn't you leave the louvers the way they are and simply reverse the fans? Just blow the hot air out. Anyway, it's been fun watching the process.
just came across this video. rather clean looking install. i'd be interested how the engine is mated to the transaxle, if a non-corvair transaxle was used, etc. also, where are you located? take care...
@@norm-yk1xh thank you. It's still running the power glide trans, if you have time check out some of the other videos on it. I think I go over the adapter we used.
Have you thought about removing one of the tail lights on each side. Installing a scoop over them could cause a venture effect. Drawing the air out of the engine compartment.
I vaguely remember someone in the 60s adding a scoop just before the fender to bring cool air into the engine bay, like Ford did for the brakes on the mustang except these were the "NASA" style
If I could share a picture with you, I’d love to show you my neighbors, Hayabusa powered Corvair. It is ridiculous and very fast to transmissions the bike training and the car all in one.
After reading thru the comments, I'd think the shroud combined with your idea of walling off both ends of radiator 'should' work. IS it worth trying before cutting the decklid, possibly losing your sleeper edge??
Not for nothing, but maybe 🤔 try removing the trunk lid, and doing a test drive or two, to study how the temp responds? Will the aerodynamic air flow go over the roof, and go down thru the engine compartment to the slipstream below the car and under the bumper, with no impediment at all ? Just asking for for a friend 😉? I love you moxie brother, and yes, I subscribed!!! Can't wait to see you're progress here !!!!! You got this...
@@TheJoefussGarage Well the airstream is something figuring on dealing with. There's an air damn that's going to get put ahead of the engine. And probably turn the louvers around on the engine lid so it draws air out of the engine compartment. Hopefully sometime this winter will get back to it. And thank you very much for watching and subscribing I appreciate it!
I'd love the if it would run cooler, and if so, by how much if ya did..? Before all of the cutting and metal working of the beautiful trunk lid... Just thinking 🤔 out loud.....
That's a really cool build/ project!!!👍Please check out my 1968 Barracuda fastback powered by a rowdy 512 stroker backed by an A833 4 speed manual. I think you'll approve. 👌
Why not mount radiator under spare tire in trunk,hard pipe supply/ return back to engine . Electric fan blow down w/ air duct under front bumper ,out of sight
@@RaycrI have some questions about the Corvair the original engine in mine went out and was wondering if you would recommend the v6 swap and if you used the original transmission
@Isaac -sv7xt. It all depends on what you want out of your car. Do you want to just have a solid dayly driver? Do you want to increase proformance? You should evaluate what you want to end up with. The stock engine can be a good little power plant.
@@Raycr What $ range do you think a decent driver condition later 2 door might fetch? Wanting one of these! Dont want a major project nor a car thats too nice. Reliable, sorted. SoCal thanks!
@@gordocarbo Thank you. As for a price? I really don't have a good idea. Location often makes a big difference. Checking back yards will probably get you a better price than any advertised car
Pure antifreeze is way less efficient for cooling than antifreeze mixed with water. If you run pure antifreeze your engine will run warmer, not cooler.
@@nojunkwork5735 believe what you want, I tried in vain mixing it , it kept running hot until I went with straight antifreeze, doesn't antifreeze have a higher boiling point than water
Former radiator man here: 50/50 mix of water to antifreeze gives optimum cooling. Yes, antifreeze has a higher boiling point, but you don't want a coolant that absorbs more heat. It also loses heat slower than water. Can't say about your motorcycle, but it is not likely that it's running cooler no matter what your gauge says. For best results in any water cooled motor use distilled water. Captured rain water will do.
@@johnchandler1687 like I said I tried it like you pros said and it kept running hot so I did what I did and the light hasn't come on and the coolant hasn't come out your saying the very same thing the Suzuki people told me but it didn't work for my bike, my saying is whatever works as a matter of fact the fan hardly ever comes on, it's got to b really hot for it to Evan come on.
Please tell me when? When did problems turn into issues? Another soft language play? You're wrong! Problems need to be solved. Issues are not problems. Did you attend school?
Lakewood side louvers would allow more air e try...
And yes a perimeter to radiator , and a fan shroud to help cooling...
Good work..!
Nice job! You should make a similar dam on the driver's side. Then you could have a cold air intake on that side.
I have been fascinated with the Corvair since a kid and the rear mounted V6 is always been an idea I tossed around.
I thought side quarter panel scoops made sense and an aluminum V6.
imagine if gm kept the Corvair around and put the lf4 twin turbo v6 out of the Cadillac ATS in it. Turbo charged all aluminum v6 pushing like 450 hp.
Agree with you on your cooling challenges and planned solutions 100% !
Every re-engineering design concept has it's challenges !
Without any challenges, there would be no reward !!!
Great job with the project so far !
Merry Christmas !
Thank you hope your Christmas is merry. We hope to get back to the Corvair this spring
I would think matching air scoops or lovers in the rear quarter panels would go along way to giving more air
I used to have a 64 Spyder although that doesn't mean I am an expert but I would put the radiator up front with louvers and exhaust the air down to leave trunk space. I would also up grade to a 1966 axle and transmission assembly as the 1966 transmissions were Saginaw using some the same gearing as front engine cars. I have worked on many Saginaws and they are a tough cheap transmission.
I like what you did with this. Very unique and creative. Made me wonder why I hadn’t seen one before?
There's a few around. There's a ramp side with a fuel injected 4.3, that install is very clean.
My Dad owned one when I was a toddler. It was very reliable in that it caught on fire on a regular basis.
A lot of modifying to be done. Is a neat idea. Definitely a better engine than the flat 6 that your Corvair originally came with. Wish you all the best!
There was a lot of brain work on this one for sure! Thanks for watching
Awesome 😎 you got this....If that is your farm you were cruising...Great place.... I like this project...
Thank you for watching! Yup, this is our place. I kinda have to live in the sticks with my habits. Lol
An intake scoop on each flank, above and behind the door. Drivers side for fresh air feed to an interior airbox and induction, pass side for cooling air. Scoops could be subtractive, like the NACA type.
@@gregmodelle7343 we've been considering this idea. I think it could be blended in not to be too distracting
I used to.
Have that motor in my Van? One of the best motors Chevrolet ever made.😮
@@raybruce8815 I had one in a pickup. Had over 300K on it before it gave up the ghost
For balance perhaps a front mount battery, and another radiator on the drivers side rear? Limiting straps for the swing axles? My 66 Corsa Convertible was the prettiest car I ever owned. Badly oversteered. Unequal tire size is a must. Good work, keep it up. They were thinking of an 8 for the Corvair, but sales numbers plummeting and R.Nader nixed that dream. The 215 aluminum v8 was considered. It weighed about the same, and there were turbo versions available.
A high school buddy put a small block V8 in a 65 Vair, mid engine. Radiator mounted in the front with grilles cut in between the headlights. Looked very clean and it cooled ok, as I remember.
Congratulations that's so cool to see an old car back on the road again 🎉
Thanks I've already been in to the older cars
Well, the idea of opening the decklid/hood slightly was used with great success by FIAT on their ABARTH editions of the 500/600...
@@janfswedane Thanks, The problem with having the hood gaped in the front (hinged end) is that we need to get the air out of under the hood
The original Brittish Mini which was front engine transversly mounted had a similar radiator arrangement with i mounted longitudly next to the engine. They got it to work, i am sure you can.
On a Chieftain tank the radiators sit above the engine under the top cover grill blows the heat out the top fans on the back/underside of the rads . They can be rotated to the vertical position with the cover off.
Fit the rad under the hood.
What a neat challenge! Congratulations on the amazing engine swap. Liked, subbed and shared!
@@Journeyman-Fixit thank you. Now, let's see if I can finish it?
What a unique project car.
Maybe a good inlet source of air is from the Right Hand Rear wheelhouse. Cut a square out of it.
Build a Duct Funnel ?
The 5.0 Mustang Renegade racers used to draw fresh air in from the Right front wheelhouse, no inner fenderwell like GM Cars have. Drilled cut out a 3 - 4 inch hole into the inner wheel area through thick Fenderwell Unibody, ran the aluminum tubing to and attached a K&N air filter. Disadvantage was filter got Road dirt on it driving but cool ambient High pressure air there driving.
No hoodscoops or custom Ram Air design expense required.
Still done that way 20 years later here Turbocharged LS GM Cars.
Thanks, getting the intake air from the fender well wouldn't be a good idea since we live on a gravel road
@@Raycr Could maybe fit the present air filter in a box, like an Igloo. Run a fresh air pipe to it, from the tail pan of the Corvair?
@@brracing7861 that's a possibility, the battery will be relocated to the front and we'd have that space to do something with
Cool build I was thinking to do the same with 3.8 l67 in regards to your idea about the rad you need free air delivery for that to work well I would do like the fiero ans Mont in the front on a angle
interesting project for sure!
Thanks it's been an experience for sure
Grreat installation ,im sure you'll work out the air flow issues. Shout out from the boyz in montreal
Thank you. I hope to get back to this project soon
they make cooler and fan on the corvairs that had ac you could get a ac condensor and t off the water going though that also and have a fan mounted on it where it would bring the air in from the hood without cutting the hood then you could run some duck work on the rad side and mount a small fan to bring more air in on that side with cutting anything this sure has been great to see you put that in there
Radiator in front venting under bumper no problem cooling
This is just too cool! (No pun intended).
Thanks, we kinda like it too. lol
The latest Electric fans are Brushless ball bearings equipped motors. Still pricey. That old Ford Crown Victoria Cop Car Electric Fan is a good one. C4 Corvette guys used for a while. Stock was crap on C4 Corvette.
Some Dodge Intrepid electric fan guys used to talk about using also small and moved alot of CFM Air
We have to watch out for the depth of the fan assembly. There isn't much room
Looks good crammed in there. Maybe you can adjust your hinges to raise up the end of the lid and get a kind of a ram air effect in there
Thank you , we need to go the opposite way need to draw air out. I did think about propping the lid open some
por favor cuando ud adacto el motos v6 en el corvair , lo acoplo al tren de traccion original del corvair, quiero decir acoplo el motor v6 a la transmicion y a la caja original del corvair
We are using the original transmission and rear axle from the Corvair. We used an adaptor belhousing to do this
I looked at this and did a little head scratching. Couldn't you leave the louvers the way they are and simply reverse the fans? Just blow the hot air out. Anyway, it's been fun watching the process.
My thoughts were that we didn't want to draw the hot engine air across the radiator. Might not be a big deal but that's the reasoning for it
just came across this video. rather clean looking install. i'd be interested how the engine is mated to the transaxle, if a non-corvair transaxle was used, etc. also, where are you located? take care...
@@norm-yk1xh thank you. It's still running the power glide trans, if you have time check out some of the other videos on it. I think I go over the adapter we used.
@@Raycr thanx, appreciate the response. i'll check out your other vair vids...
Used to see mid engine conversion with v8 in these all the time in my youth. Should not have much problems getting it figured out.
Why not move the battery to the front so you can then have a fender well intake?
@@craigrendahl3718 that is the plan. Move a little weight around and build a cold air box
Have you thought about removing one of the tail lights on each side. Installing a scoop over them could cause a venture effect. Drawing the air out of the engine compartment.
@@beulahalestick8297 that's one that hasn't occurred to me, I kinda like it!
Oh I want this machine!
Put a one inch deep shroud on the radiator and mount the fan on the shroud so you pull air through the whole surface of the radiator.
We're looking at a dual fan full shroud unit, a little trim to fit and it might be golden! Just need to watch out for the depth
I vaguely remember someone in the 60s adding a scoop just before the fender to bring cool air into the engine bay, like Ford did for the brakes on the mustang except these were the "NASA" style
NACA
Yenko Stinger
If I could share a picture with you, I’d love to show you my neighbors, Hayabusa powered Corvair. It is ridiculous and very fast to transmissions the bike training and the car all in one.
Thanks! There is an email in the channel description if you'd like to send some pix
Air is circulating around the radiator. Fix that and place a scoop or air inlet on the right side, as well.
Thanks, we are going to seal around the radiator to prevent the recirculation of the heated air. It's in the works
Rear lights look odd with there being 3 instead of 2. No 'Vair came with 3 LOL
After reading thru the comments, I'd think the shroud combined with your idea of walling off both ends of radiator 'should' work.
IS it worth trying before cutting the decklid, possibly losing your sleeper edge??
I'm thinking that most wouldn't know the difference with more louvers. Corvair guys, on the other hand, would spot it across the parking lot! lol
Not for nothing, but maybe 🤔 try removing the trunk lid, and doing a test drive or two, to study how the temp responds? Will the aerodynamic air flow go over the roof, and go down thru the engine compartment to the slipstream below the car and under the bumper, with no impediment at all ?
Just asking for for a friend 😉? I love you moxie brother, and yes, I subscribed!!! Can't wait to see you're progress here !!!!! You got this...
@@TheJoefussGarage Well the airstream is something figuring on dealing with. There's an air damn that's going to get put ahead of the engine. And probably turn the louvers around on the engine lid so it draws air out of the engine compartment. Hopefully sometime this winter will get back to it. And thank you very much for watching and subscribing I appreciate it!
I'd love the if it would run cooler, and if so, by how much if ya did..? Before all of the cutting and metal working of the beautiful trunk lid...
Just thinking 🤔 out loud.....
@@TheJoefussGarage it builds temperature slowly, about 10 minutes on the highway and it'll be around 2:20 I'd be happier with 190
Sounds alot Like the original motor ...
Thank you for watching. It does keep the sleeper image going
I would expect better than 70 mph easily!!!!
i would try it with hood off and see what ir needs exactly
Is the 4,3 a lot heavier?
With the cooling system I'm thinking about #150 heavier
The American Porch Dinosaur! Lol😅
Anyone can confirm this is boxer 6 cyl. 4300 cc engine?
Please.
This is NOT a boxer air cooled engine anymore. This is now a water cooled V6. Thanks for checking out the video
Awesome!
@@johnsayles4316 thank you
Awesome Man!
Thanks. Just about close to done
That's a really cool build/ project!!!👍Please check out my 1968 Barracuda fastback powered by a rowdy 512 stroker backed by an A833 4 speed manual. I think you'll approve. 👌
That Cuda looks good and sounds great!
@@Raycr Thanks a lot. It's an absolute pleasure to drive. 👍
Love it.
Why not mount radiator under spare tire in trunk,hard pipe supply/ return back to engine . Electric fan blow down w/ air duct under front bumper ,out of sight
@@WilliamLager-m1u for some reason we were trying not to alter the looks of the car. A front mount radiator would definitely have worked better
Stay cool 😎
Thanks BUCK, tryin' to!
Nice … how about disc brakes ?
Thanks for watching. I'm pretty sure that disk brakes aren't necessary with the weight of the car and the balance
Car is light enough drums are plenty good
@@Raycr Agree....plus drums have more pad material and are lighter than disc setups
Keep the updates coming on this, love oddball builds!
GM vortec 4.3 ???
Thanks for watching. I think this 4.3 would not be considered a vortec. It's from an 85 pickup
Put 33s on it and use as a winter machine....
That would be a stretch!!
Without proper airflow from the outside it will never run cool
We're working on airflow control now, and a fan setup with more CFM and shrouding. Hopefully that will get us where we need to be
Bad radiator location to many problems.
Plowed like a JohnDeere.
Not a problem, I'm in farm country
@@RaycrI have some questions about the Corvair the original engine in mine went out and was wondering if you would recommend the v6 swap and if you used the original transmission
@Isaac -sv7xt. It all depends on what you want out of your car. Do you want to just have a solid dayly driver? Do you want to increase proformance? You should evaluate what you want to end up with. The stock engine can be a good little power plant.
Keep it original
It's a little late for that! We have others that are still the way GM built them
@@Raycr What $ range do you think a decent driver condition later 2 door might fetch?
Wanting one of these! Dont want a major project nor a car thats too nice. Reliable, sorted.
SoCal thanks!
@@gordocarbo Thank you. As for a price? I really don't have a good idea. Location often makes a big difference. Checking back yards will probably get you a better price than any advertised car
Lol, I'm sure you'd hate my mid engine 68 monza coupe with a dry sump ls7
@buckykattguitar that sounds a handful to drive!! But fun
When I had a heating problem with a motorcycle I went with 100 percent antifreeze, 30 years later it hasn't overheated again, just saying
I'm going to start with air flow management, I'm sure with this configuration that there's room for improvement!
Pure antifreeze is way less efficient for cooling than antifreeze mixed with water. If you run pure antifreeze your engine will run warmer, not cooler.
@@nojunkwork5735 believe what you want, I tried in vain mixing it , it kept running hot until I went with straight antifreeze, doesn't antifreeze have a higher boiling point than water
Former radiator man here: 50/50 mix of water to antifreeze gives optimum cooling. Yes, antifreeze has a higher boiling point, but you don't want a coolant that absorbs more heat. It also loses heat slower than water. Can't say about your motorcycle, but it is not likely that it's running cooler no matter what your gauge says. For best results in any water cooled motor use distilled water. Captured rain water will do.
@@johnchandler1687 like I said I tried it like you pros said and it kept running hot so I did what I did and the light hasn't come on and the coolant hasn't come out your saying the very same thing the Suzuki people told me but it didn't work for my bike, my saying is whatever works as a matter of fact the fan hardly ever comes on, it's got to b really hot for it to Evan come on.
Weight difference between the v and flat 6?
“What is the weight difference between the V6 and the Flat 6 engines?” There, I fixed it for you.
I think it's around 150 #. It drives and handles well. It will be getting the battery located to the front and the air filter box will take it's place
Please tell me when? When did problems turn into issues? Another soft language play? You're wrong! Problems need to be solved. Issues are not problems. Did you attend school?
Yup, problems need solved. Issues need delt with before they become problems