Sorry, but that Cup was won in court and not in the water... The regatta was total bonkers and Oracle completely disfigured the event, needing the Kiwis to win it in bermuda and bring back some decency... Winning the cup in this way was just a rich man's caprice, no care for the sport, the event or its future, just him and his egoistic desire. Oracle was no match in a fair event, lost 5-2 to Luna Rossa in the LV cup finals in Valencia 2007. All Larry can do well is pay lawyers
It was a rich man's caprice, and it was unsportsmanlike, but his vanity created one of the most beautiful and insane boats ever built - and truly years ahead of its time, defying physics.
@@hunterh1175 not quite, given Stars and stripes had built a wing catamaran back in the 80s (quite smaller of course). Large engineering feats are not impossible, but rather impractical: do we have the technology today to make a 100 foot foiling carbon multihull for inshore racing? For sure, do we need it now? No... However: If there was a deed of gift match, I wouldn't be surprised if something like that would be built today
1987 was the last time it meant anything to me. We won it in '83 and America took it back in '87. The best two moments in sporting history. Nothing comes close to that. As a young teen in '83 I was mature enough to have tears in my eyes and salute Liberty in '87 when the cannon fired and smoke went up. Conner had reclaimed his dignity for losing the Cup in '83 and must have been the happiest man in the world. And I've always been fine with that. The best team won on the day...
@@FastForwardSailing I love all of it. I love my old pilot cutter just as much as the next guy, but I also love how foiling has turned something ancient like sailing into a space age technology. There is nothing else like it. It’s comparable to something of fiction like Lightsabers, yet it’s real! Who knows what the future holds
Always hard for you guys to mention the French naval architects who made the job , joubert nivelt for stars and stripes and vplp for oracle ??? not a word ???
But it's not the first cup boat with a wing sail. Dennis Connor had the catamaran stars and stripes racing against the kiwi's in their massive ballast wing boat. I think it was 110-140ft long or something like that.
@@dottorspock ok so my approximate guess was in the ball park size on the kiwi boat but I'm right when I say that those weren't the first hard wing sails used in the Americas cup in 2010
Yes, these boats are Galioths long been slain by the David sail-boats flying about these days... but I appreciate the story... of how the America's Cup actually finally indeed made its way back to the US of A
It's always been a competition of wills, see the video about the 1988 cup. New Zealand built a fast boat, and asked the Americans to match them for a fair competition. Got tossed a winged Cat because they didn't explicitly state monohull in the letter of challenge.
There was a camera set up on a hotel next to the USA compound in San Diego, just happened to be watching when they brought out the wing sail, loaded it sideways on the boat, then raised it on the water, then proceeded to sailing up and down SD Bay, dwarfing everything in their path for the next hour. It was an epic display of power and control. I knew right then it was all over for Alinghi
@@FastForwardSailing Alinghi was using foils and waterballast. If only the foils had generated enough lift ... and he'd have left the helming to a professional.
If you said longest you'd be right. But it all depends on the definition of largest. I get that many sailors just see length as the determining factor to how large a yacht is but objects are 3 dimensional KZ-1 was 120ft long and 153.5ft tall = 18,360 USA 17 was 113ft long and 180ft tall = 20,340 As for width, USA 17 wins that too [note, I used mast height for tallness]
@@FastForwardSailing Lol. If not length the only other accepted measurements for defining boat size would be displacement and there it's not even close. 39 tons for the KZ-1 and 17 tons for the USA 17...
I know sailors like to define by length but it makes just as much (if not more sense to define it in two dimensions or even three. A boat is not just the hull. Put them side by side and I expect most people would say USA 17 was obviously bigger
@@FastForwardSailing Take a look at J Boats from the 1930’s. 130’ and not exactly narrow. They are also complete boats. What I’m saying is the multis have a lot of air. The square footage of J Boats are real, not air
@@Happ465 On that front you are certainly correct. But the span of something is an equally valid definition of large. If you had a ball the size of KZ1 and a balloon the size of USA17 you could argue the ball is larger as it has more mass. The balloon is mostly air. Most people would think heavier would be a more natural description for the ball when compared to a balloon with a greater total span. But I except your point that mass could also fit the definition of largest.
What an upbeat, positive documentary about stubbornness ruining competitive, engaging America's cup racing for way over a decade. America's cup sailing is just about to recover from what has been undone with this lawsuit-drived DoD match.
We knew these boats are monsters, gigantic, oversized and with all the advantages of Cats. Then we proved you can fly a Cat, and they realized... We can probably fly a monohull. They are modern marvels and have the potential for all the drama of the old cups, except they also shortened the track for TV advertising reasons. They used to take a number of hours, now it's expected to finish in 23 minutes. They even cut out legs if needed!
Largest America's Cup Boats ever...you should then include KZ1 "New Zealand" from the '88 DOG match (120 ft LOA / LWL: 90 ft /Beam: 26.5 ft / Draught: 21 ft / Displacement: 39 tons / Upwind sail area 6,750 sq ft / Downwind sail area 17,000 sq ft.) ruclips.net/video/eGIO0ddDKF0/видео.html
Hate Elison, he ruined the AC for all time. We should return to the 12s where sail handling and close quarters combat on the water was spectacular. He also ruined a very active international virtual sailing community.
Alinghi was supposed to have foils and stun the world but they didn't get enough speed/lift. Bertarelli was very confident because of the lift his dagger boards would give his boat, but the wing sail was far too much power to beat. The whole thing changed when electronics and computers were allowed into the mix. Beforehand everything had to be human powered. If you couldn't hoist the sail with a winch then it was going up ... simples. The wing sail ... They work, but nothing to do with regular everyday sailing.
“They’d fly all three if they could” is some extraordinary foreshadowing to the foiling catamarans of the next Cup
BMW wasn't the first wing sail, that was in the '88 cup
Quite right Tom. I edited a video for 1988 last week 🤦♂
I will update the description
Also a DOG match interestingly.
With the state of the art having moved on so much, i wonder what the next DoG match will bring, and or how long it'll be till then
If your definition of largest AC yacht includes displacement then surely Ranger (1937) takes the prize at 166 tons.
Sorry, but that Cup was won in court and not in the water... The regatta was total bonkers and Oracle completely disfigured the event, needing the Kiwis to win it in bermuda and bring back some decency... Winning the cup in this way was just a rich man's caprice, no care for the sport, the event or its future, just him and his egoistic desire. Oracle was no match in a fair event, lost 5-2 to Luna Rossa in the LV cup finals in Valencia 2007. All Larry can do well is pay lawyers
It was a rich man's caprice, and it was unsportsmanlike, but his vanity created one of the most beautiful and insane boats ever built - and truly years ahead of its time, defying physics.
@@hunterh1175 not quite, given Stars and stripes had built a wing catamaran back in the 80s (quite smaller of course).
Large engineering feats are not impossible, but rather impractical: do we have the technology today to make a 100 foot foiling carbon multihull for inshore racing? For sure, do we need it now? No...
However: If there was a deed of gift match, I wouldn't be surprised if something like that would be built today
1987 was the last time it meant anything to me. We won it in '83 and America took it back in '87. The best two moments in sporting history. Nothing comes close to that. As a young teen in '83 I was mature enough to have tears in my eyes and salute Liberty in '87 when the cannon fired and smoke went up. Conner had reclaimed his dignity for losing the Cup in '83 and must have been the happiest man in the world. And I've always been fine with that. The best team won on the day...
Understood.
...'cept it was Stars&Stripes as the boat that Dennis Conner skippered, in '87.
Is this a Larry Ellison promo?
It’s amazing how fast these boats became obsolete. It’s thousands of years of developing sailing technology surpassed by the ingenuity of foils.
The innovation over the last 12 years has been nothing short of miraculous. These boats aren't everyone's cup of tea but the engineering is incredible
@@FastForwardSailing I love all of it. I love my old pilot cutter just as much as the next guy, but I also love how foiling has turned something ancient like sailing into a space age technology. There is nothing else like it. It’s comparable to something of fiction like Lightsabers, yet it’s real!
Who knows what the future holds
Hydrofoils are a nearly 100yr old technology too. But it's taken till now for them to mature, and become accepted.
Always hard for you guys to mention the French naval architects who made the job , joubert nivelt for stars and stripes and vplp for oracle ??? not a word ???
Jeremy Irons for Narrator?
But it's not the first cup boat with a wing sail. Dennis Connor had the catamaran stars and stripes racing against the kiwi's in their massive ballast wing boat. I think it was 110-140ft long or something like that.
no, the cat was 53,7ft on water line. Lenght overall was 60 ft. KZ1 was 90 ft lwl and 120 overall
@@dottorspock ok so my approximate guess was in the ball park size on the kiwi boat but I'm right when I say that those weren't the first hard wing sails used in the Americas cup in 2010
@@highseasmarinediaz493 yes, sorry i didn't write it. of course you were right about the wing
Thanks
Cheers buddy :)
Yes, these boats are Galioths long been slain by the David sail-boats flying about these days...
but I appreciate the story... of how the America's Cup actually finally indeed made its way back to the US of A
Spoilt rich boys' sport... terrible sportsmanship
Pretty hideous people.
That's what money does to people.
In the first race the Americans have cheated to win the Admirals Cup, it's time to give the right name back. ADMIRALS CUP !!
It's always been a competition of wills, see the video about the 1988 cup. New Zealand built a fast boat, and asked the Americans to match them for a fair competition. Got tossed a winged Cat because they didn't explicitly state monohull in the letter of challenge.
the most boring racing in the history of america's cup
Sorry these boats are not worth watching. I miss the AC boats of the 70's and 80's
Australia 2 rattled the whole game. Alan Bond & Ben Lexcen changed yachting forever yet no one ever credits them.
What did they do to change the game.
@@amoreforless ruclips.net/video/Yb4JhkF1240/видео.htmlsi=TvaCgxlwDGRQGHDq
@@amoreforless watch "Aussie Assault 1983"
@@amoreforless Watch Aussie assault 1983
@@amoreforlessYou need to read your history.
There was a camera set up on a hotel next to the USA compound in San Diego, just happened to be watching when they brought out the wing sail, loaded it sideways on the boat, then raised it on the water, then proceeded to sailing up and down SD Bay, dwarfing everything in their path for the next hour. It was an epic display of power and control. I knew right then it was all over for Alinghi
Already slow by today's standards.
Foiling was the real game changer
@@FastForwardSailing Alinghi was using foils and waterballast. If only the foils had generated enough lift ... and he'd have left the helming to a professional.
I was in Valencia with the Alinghi posse and I can tell you this, Oracle redefined Big!
These were not the largest boats in the Americas Cup! Michael Fay’s monohull was 128’. J boats were near 130’.
If you said longest you'd be right. But it all depends on the definition of largest. I get that many sailors just see length as the determining factor to how large a yacht is but objects are 3 dimensional
KZ-1 was 120ft long and 153.5ft tall = 18,360
USA 17 was 113ft long and 180ft tall = 20,340
As for width, USA 17 wins that too
[note, I used mast height for tallness]
@@FastForwardSailing Lol. If not length the only other accepted measurements for defining boat size would be displacement and there it's not even close. 39 tons for the KZ-1 and 17 tons for the USA 17...
I know sailors like to define by length but it makes just as much (if not more sense to define it in two dimensions or even three. A boat is not just the hull. Put them side by side and I expect most people would say USA 17 was obviously bigger
@@FastForwardSailing Take a look at J Boats from the 1930’s. 130’ and not exactly narrow. They are also complete boats. What I’m saying is the multis have a lot of air. The square footage of J Boats are real, not air
@@Happ465 On that front you are certainly correct. But the span of something is an equally valid definition of large. If you had a ball the size of KZ1 and a balloon the size of USA17 you could argue the ball is larger as it has more mass. The balloon is mostly air. Most people would think heavier would be a more natural description for the ball when compared to a balloon with a greater total span. But I except your point that mass could also fit the definition of largest.
What an upbeat, positive documentary about stubbornness ruining competitive, engaging America's cup racing for way over a decade. America's cup sailing is just about to recover from what has been undone with this lawsuit-drived DoD match.
Did i hear the voice of Peter Montgomery doing the commentary on this vid. He was a legend.
He was a woman abuser.
it's good to be filthy rich!!
It amazes me how people never moan about these boats, but they moan about the new foiling yachts saying it's not sailing......
People always moan, doesn't make a difference to pushing the envelope
We knew these boats are monsters, gigantic, oversized and with all the advantages of Cats.
Then we proved you can fly a Cat, and they realized... We can probably fly a monohull.
They are modern marvels and have the potential for all the drama of the old cups, except they also shortened the track for TV advertising reasons. They used to take a number of hours, now it's expected to finish in 23 minutes. They even cut out legs if needed!
What a shame they filmed it with a potato.
Watch Aussie Assault 1983 to see how.
Tacking certainly wasn’t a strength.
The worst America's Cup ever....luckily we moved on
By far I would say
Largest America's Cup Boats ever...you should then include KZ1 "New Zealand" from the '88 DOG match (120 ft LOA / LWL: 90 ft /Beam: 26.5 ft / Draught: 21 ft / Displacement: 39 tons / Upwind sail area 6,750 sq ft / Downwind sail area 17,000 sq ft.)
ruclips.net/video/eGIO0ddDKF0/видео.html
Lol fun how they are romanticizing the worst America's Cup edition
This video would benefit from upscaling.
Do Aussies captain every defender
21C speeds are WAY faster a few years later
Wayyyy too many ads on this jfc
Legendary boats and race
Far out. No longer the fastest yacht
Hate Elison, he ruined the AC for all time. We should return to the 12s where sail handling and close quarters combat on the water was spectacular. He also ruined a very active international virtual sailing community.
Surely, that went to Denis OConner when he put a cat up against a monohull, creating the idea that America cup boats can be multi hulls.
Completely ridiculous. Current AC races are so much better. Go watch the WMRT if you want to see that. AC is absolutely amazing now
Non Americans wining the cup for America? Weird
What? US boats have regularly had Aussie helmsmen aboard.
What a terrible video and commentary. Larry Ellison= afterguard, hardly. If you're going to put videos up make some decent content.
USA 17 was an amazing waste of $$. Holy crap. I was amazed. Imagine if it foiled.
Alinghi was supposed to have foils and stun the world but they didn't get enough speed/lift.
Bertarelli was very confident because of the lift his dagger boards would give his boat, but the wing sail was far too much power to beat.
The whole thing changed when electronics and computers were allowed into the mix.
Beforehand everything had to be human powered.
If you couldn't hoist the sail with a winch then it was going up ... simples. The wing sail ... They work, but nothing to do with regular everyday sailing.
Berterelli ruined the Americas Cup for ever, end of story!