Socialist Realism, Start of Prefabrication - Cities: Skylines - Altengrad 57
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- Опубликовано: 17 сен 2024
- Building a hotel in the new (for the Central Europe) socialist realism style. Introducing the subject of post-war housing crisis and the need for fast affordable construction - concrete prefabrication.
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Altengrad is a Cities: Skylines series where I build a Central European city. The series starts around the year 1920 and slowly advances forward in time, which means the city will naturally evolve all the way to modern times. The city is not a recreation of any real-life city, although the project is supposed to be closely realistic, so inspiration was drawn from various existing cities in Central Europe.
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When Cities Skyline morphs into Workers & Resources: Soviet Republic.
I was thinking the same. It begun with citywokcitywall doing "Surviving mars" in Cities Skylines.
I wonder what will the next game made in CS by a youtuber !
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Ah, I see you're a man of culture aswell
I remember when you announced you were leaving RUclips back then. I was so sad because i felt there was so much that we'd never see in Altengrad now. I really liked the idea of an evolving city right from the start and was so sad the series wasn't going to fulfil it's immense potential. I'm so glad you came back! And look at your channel now...it's really great to see more and more people appreciate your content and ideas.
The expansion is not that unrealistic. In Estonia, my country, most of 50-90 expansion happened on the city limits where there really were only fields or even forests. Only "fancy" buildings for the party members were built in the city itself or some grand buildings to show the power of communism was also built in the city.
Yeah and some countries still use this method of expansion although it is more refined. The grand buildings are called Stalin houses in Russia they are now used by foreign officials when visiting.
Yeah, same in East Germany. Of course there were a lot of buildings demolished in city centers to make room for it, but also newly built blocks at the outer limits were nothing stood before.
In Berlin, you see those buildings all over the city - though there was also a lot destroyed during the war in the inner city. They are also seen in the outer corners, true.
@@hoxhacat8195 The term "communist country" is often used meaning "country ruled by a communist party", not "country which achieved Communism as defined by Marx".
@@scpadmin6436 Yeah bro like in capitalism where u work in the city but u cant afford to live in so u have to travel 200km each day just to get to work and then get home
I might have missed it in the video but the hastily built housing projects were known for having all of the amenities that the people would need within their housing unit for example one block would have 5 apartment buildings and in the middle of the block, they would have a store, restaurant, park, etc. Sorry if this makes no sense English is not my first language
Don't worry, this makes perfect sense. Your English is better than a few native speakers I know
@@josephpbrown lol ok thanks I was hoping I got my point across while making sense
These considerations came later when whole districts were planned with prefab buildings. The first blocks in the 50s were building prototypes, not entire neighborhoods.
This was just the introduction, we will deal with that later with larger prefab projects.
@@Akruas oh ok I thought I missed something my apologies then
Open spacer between houses and towers was related to few key parametres- distances of view, angle of sun rays and amount of inhabitants per hectare. It was actually regulated by state issued normes and standarts. As the numebr of inhabitants per hectare of open green space grew, so upwardly grew the houses, reaching 15- 20 floors max, like in Warsaw. As for perpendicular orientation- it is to allow all the apartments acess to direct sunlight from west side and east side alike, and also to distance and separate pedestrian traffic from car traffic.
As this series continues I’m seeing it less and less as a let’s play and more like really interesting lectures on 20th century Eastern European city development, with some cool visuals
Love those appartments, so realistic, like being back in my childhood lol. Just one suggestion: almost every single one of these buildings usually has also backdoor/ entrance. Keep expanding!
Same
This is beyond anything expected. That "welp, WE'LL MAKE OUR OWN FULL BUILDINGS" merging so many elements is something just so impressive and complex you can only watch with mouth open. Amazing episode with such a really great explanation on how it was to build in that era.
Seeing as the city is in the Eastern Bloc, maybe having an embassy of the USSR in the city would make sense. Maybe a place of the city where delegates of all around the Warsaw Pact meet.
That's actually a good idea.
You need trolley buses right now! Soviet union was the home of trolleys! Don't forget about huge factories in resedential district. Also try to discover capital cities of baltic states (Riga, Tallinn, Vilnius)
Trolleybuses were denied multiple times but I think the Ikarus 66 buses („Rockets“) are a nice alternative.
This is not the Soviet Union.
Everyone misses a very common detail in this style when they recreate something like this - it's floristry. A huge number of flowerbeds of different colors that were planted in ornaments or simply in a combination of different colors. It was especially widespread in the southern regions of the USSR. If we take gardening as an example in general, then they also do not do enough here. Because first of all, unlike Western countries, the number of trees and shrubs was very large, sometimes even to the detriment. A real Soviet city is a forest city, if you explain it quite simply. And the busts of the most important ideologues have never been put in your fence like that. They were the center of the composition in squares or other significant places. These are the 2 grossest mistakes of modders.
Ngl I feel like American cities are much more Forrest cities than soviet cities. Look at atlanta or charolette for examples of this. Heck even Phoenix AZ has plenty of trees in the older 1950s/1960s suburbs even tho it’s a desert. Seattle and portland are very Forresty and so are places like the suburbs of NYC (excluding Nassau) and places like Philly and it’s suburban areas
This is not a Soviet city, we are not in the USSR.
@@Akruas However, I found socialist residential areas in Prague with lots of trees.
@@LucasFernandez-fk8se lots of US cities are just uncontrolled sprawl of single family houses so thats why such "forrest cities" visually exists, on the other hand in eastern europe, most of housing estates with block of flats were designed altogether with design concept of greenery in mind
@@lukasbryn4737 sure but many older US cities have the low-medium rise walkable swathes that also tend to have a great many trees within the urban area. Of course there are many awfully planned areas that bring to mind the stereotypical low-rise concrete deserts with more AC units than people.
Hey, great video. I noticed that during the late 1950s and early 1960s, many cities constructed concrete prefabricated hotels, such as Hotel Hutník in Košice, Hotel Šariš in Prešov, Hotel Kyjev in Bratislava, or the famous Hotel Pyramida in Praha.
A lot of these hotels also were built with department stores, like Obchodné Domy PRIOR, such as the one again in Bratislava.
Otherwise, great video, I really enjoy your content. :)
As an architecture historian from Warsaw, Poland, who specializes in XX century, I'd like to add that "socrealizm" (as its called in Poland) was oficially enacted in spring/summer 1949 in art and culture and architecture, and abandoned almost overnight in spring of 1956, after a year or so of public critique and discussions. The irony was that the largest socrealistic skyscraper and detailed comission, Palace of Culture and Science in Warsaw ( gift from USRR) was oficially opened in july 1955, with full decor etc. while in the mean time all other monumental projects ( both housing and public) were being scaled down or finished off without any details or decorations.
PS. Poland after the war almost instantly proceeded to create its own pre-fab designs..
Hey man, your work is incredible! The effort you put in building and the amount of historical and cultural details that you share is outstanding. I feel like you spent hours, and hours to learn about all of that and to prepare such a video for us. Thank you for that! The only aspect that i could be critical about here xd is the placment of your new monumental hotel. its a minor thing, however, i live in Warsaw and in my not important opinion, the monument was not highlighted enough. i mean that it is placed in a spot that a normal building would be placed, surrounded by roads, not much space in between the roads and the building, and also other buildings. For example Palace of Culture and Science has a lot of space all around it, parks, squares etc. it is clear that everything was done to point it out and put it in spotlight ( actally like most of the major monuments anywhere in the world). But anyways i cannot wait for the next episode! Keep up the great work!
I couldnt't say it better, even ur point with warsaw i agree - whatever high quality videos! Thank u!
Something I would like to see as this city progresses is newer electric transit vehicles like trams and trolleybuses. Hundreds of trolleybuses systems populated the eastern bloc (and still do today in most of the larger cities) and soviet/eastern bloc-built trams (Tatra T3, KTM 5, ETC) started to appear in the 1960's. Older and nicer looking cities usually got trams like Tatras, which look nicer. While most soviet built cities got KTM5 and other usually quickly built trams. Later on, of course most trolleybus systems got either dismantled or largely reduced. Even in cities like Moscow trolleybuses were all gone by the early 2010's. I would guess because this is seemingly a very old city Tatras would fit better but KTM's could really work in those new districts/suburbs. Thats what happened in even someone of at least Russia's biggest cities.
This is great!
Maybe your tram department should get some new Tatra trams, for example the Tatra T3 or KT4 cars. They are still in service in so many eastern countries,
even in Germany...
Many greetings!
Not in 50s.
You should totally do an area similiar to Nowa Huta in Kraków, it was started in the 50s, built to serve the steel mill there and was in this exact style. It would fit perfectly
Amazing episode. Can I make a suggestion for some future inspiration. Have a look at the city of Katowice and it's iconic buildings of Spodek (flying saucer) events arena and the residential blocks of Gwiazdy (Stars), Kukurydze (Corn knobs) and Superjednostka (Super Unit) which to this day are some of the most recognizable buildings in Poland
Jest również Zenit oraz Smyk w Workshopie..
Kind of realistic, in my home city - Kharkiv, expansion look very similar. But GosProm building was built even before second world war
This is my first time coming across this channel, and I really appreciate the educational commentary in the background as satisfying gameplay plays, I have never found a channel like yours which is able to keep my interest in two different ways, whether it's in educational form, or gameplay form. As someone who is really into architecture and such, hearing about Soviet architecture really peaked my interest. Keep up the good work man, I look forward to seeing more.
Don't forget the small neighbourhood hills that were made of the dirt dug out for the foundations of the buildings. Also in the 1950's isn't the city overdue for an airstrip? In Gdańsk the whole district of Zaspa is built on an old 1930's airport that was turned into housing, and a more modern airport was built further out. The concrete ground tiles ares still there.
I second this, a small airstrip at first of course and then several expanding ones.
Maybe city expansion looking like Nowa Huta in Kraków might be good idea in "late 50s"? Including so realist city planning and maybe also industry (there were a lot of metallurgy industry in Huta - it's name literally means "new steelworks")
It was actually separate expansion added in open field, first designed as separate city, then integrated as district to Kraków, so it might fit.
21:00 - I can't say about Socialist Block, but SU those times has mass transition system and planned flows of labour force, so there was no urgent need for personal cars' chaos like in Western Block. That's why there was almost no traffic jams, for exmaple, due to planned traffic system and planned civil infrastructure buildings placing
love, love, love this series!
As an idea to facilitate the building of socialist blocks, you could look a bit into the history of Romania's '77 earthquake. It destroyed many old buildings, and with our communist leader just having seen Pyongyang, the capital per se saw a MASSIVE amount of "socialist" blocks being built. Bucharest is full of massive blocks all thanks to the earthquake.
I just love this series so much, because as someone who is a gaming and history nerd this is such a perfect combination. And I really hope we will get to see Formula 1 making its debut on the Altengrad circuit at some point, maybe even beating Hungary to having the first Grand Prix behind the iron curtain. :D
crying and throwing up rn, i'm so excited for the upcoming projects!!
Great episode! Episodes like this are why I like Altengrad so much; interesting + informative!
You didn't think that, for example, coal deposits were discovered in Altengrad, as it was in many countries of the Eastern Bloc after the war, you could then lead the industry in an interesting way, build housing estates around the mine, etc.
P.S. Altengrad is my favourite Cities Skylines City ,do what you do because you're awesome at it
I love the episode, but I think that the block around the socialist-modernist hotel should remain as a green space. Those buildings were statements of power and ability of the new governments and were designed to astonish and impress with their size, so they were often displayed on open grounds, as to magnify their size effect. So I think a plaza with a few trees or a treeless space with a monument, would suit that space much better
WOW! It's great to see inspiration in Altengrad from my city - Warsaw. You told something about building new areas on outskirts, well in Warsaw the district called Ursynów was build on fields and there is one of the biggest university in Poland here. Also southern part of M1 metro line (which is the spine of this huge area) was build on fields and then flats come there.
There are quite a lot of stations in the "empty field" in Moscow now, where multi-apartment residential buildings are being built, the population of which sometimes exceeds the population of small towns
i think it would look good if you build a larger square somewhere where buildings were destroyed due to the war, and build something like the constitution square in warsaw or the karl-marx-allee in berlin, like a square surrounded with grand looking 7-8 story socialist realist buildings and maybe some monument/statue in the center.
You really nailed the looks of the prefab buildings - they truely capture the aesthetic of the mid to late 50s in central europe (the facades and the colors look almost identical to buildings near the Altmarkt in Dresden also completed at that time).
Unfortunatly all of this coudn‘t really be said about the new Hotel. I mean the building itself is really nice but the Integration into the larger area isn‘t very well done compared to not only many real life examples of that style but also the general principles of it.
The Hotel is placed too tight next to the road and the other older buildings in that area. All of it feels much more like 1920s New York or Chicago as opposed to 1950s Altengrad and this will only be more extreme after the rework of the Intersection (possibly involving some kind of overpass?).
An easy fix would be to also (at least partly) demolish the city block right next to it. The Hotel could then be turned by 90 dergrees and there would be ample room for greenery, fountains, flowers, ecetera. Maybe this level of density could be restored in the 90s but for now there definitly needs to be more open space in that area.
Check out Hotel International in Prague, undoubtedly one of the inspirations he had for this. Built in 1954, smack bang next to a road nothing too fancy, almost no greenery and certainly no fountains and other stuff like that.
@@FolgoreCZ But the city is just too small to justify such a big building. I feel like it's an overkill.
@@FolgoreCZ There always will be exeptions (Hotel Warszawa is also simlair to this), but it’s also important to keep in mind that both projects were not that significant to their cities as a whole. In contrast Altengrad Hotel is a colossal skyscraper right in the center of the city. Not having at least some kind of open area around it just feels like an contridiction to me.
Nice build, especially the Khruschovkas! They look especially nice. In the US we call them commie blocks but our housing projects were even worse!
It's not a Khruschovka, this is not the USSR.
In the eastern block in the 50s and 60s they wanted low cost housing for the normal person like them aparment blocks they weren’t slums or bad housing they were quite good for a normal person
Hey friend, have you seen Workers & Resources: Soviet Republic? It is pretty much the same idea of beeing a soviet satellite and trying to develop a regions economy just like Cities Skylines. You should check it up, it's very cool!
Apart from soc-real, we also call this style Stalin-baroque.
For me now its the most exciting CS series on YT!!!
RUclips at its best: fun entertainment with a little history lesson sprinkled it.
Altengrad looks like Nizhny Novgorod(Russia), it is perfectly fits i think
Hi! Love your series! The huge block neighbourhoods were sometimes build outside of the city- you may want to check Retkinia district in Łódź, Poland. 3 quarters of my smalltown were build that way. This also created problems. As there were fields before some industrial buildings were raised, but later blocks came along so now I have an industrial complex just across the street. And also rest in peace air quality.
I know they were, but we are not there yet.
Really cool to see my Karl Marx Statue used here my friend! Thank you for using it!
Almost all buildings I see being built in my area (Stockholm, Sweden) make use of prefab concrete walls
Your dedication to exploring history and culture through this game is amazing!
Altengrad is a city that can be proud of it's history and architecture !! Awesome work man
Your job is stunning, the Altengrad is a masterpiece
It would be cool if Altengrad will have metro during communism era, as Prague or Budapest
I mean, using node controller on a network to customize that roof…talk about cheating. And brilliant. ❤️
Hah, that huge hotel reminds me and actually might be hotel "International" in Prague 😂😂
Somehow a city like this needs that contrast and it fits perfectly for that.....
.....That prototype-house is amazing PO-Art - Wonderful
We called that style "Stalinist renaissance" or "Stalinist baroque"...
Great lvl of moding, and skill, and great comentary.
На современные города России конечно не похоже, но вот на времена СССР да) хочется увидеть моды, что бы создавать современные, кстати очень сейчас красивые и ухоженные.
In fact, Soviet architecture is not so bad, especially the way it is painted in the West. The problem is that a huge number of buildings for several hundred million people were no longer maintained due to the transition to a profitable economy during the era of Perestroika, which led to the refusal of their maintenance, due to which quite tidy yards and houses turned into something that you can see today: dirty, chaotic, crumbling and so on. Renovating all this is simply not profitable.
I myself live in a building of the Stalin era, three-meter ceilings and walls that can withstand a tank shot, allow you to live within cool temperatures in summer and warm (even hot) temperatures in winter.
The intersection with the hotel reminds me so much of Warsaw
You know, the expansion into the fields isn't unrealistic at all! My city was expanded upon fields, too, because it's covered with mountains and they had nowhere else to build :D All of the buildings in these districts are not older than communism in Poland
In Warsaw, it took exactly seven decades to build taller than the palace of culture and science. You're quite optimistic about the nineties 😏
I reccomend checking Nowa Huta in Kraków for inspiration. It is a whole new neighborhood that was built during communist times. I think it's actually cleverly spaced and well thought out. The buildings aren't even that bad, but they would look better if someone bothered to clean them.
You definitely know there places but maybe take some inspiration of Solidarita or Zelená Liška housing estate. Also personally I would really like some small examples of typical czech gardening colonies in later decades :D thanks
Poruba in Ostrava is a good example of some Stalinist architecture in Czech Republic. Seems to be mostly non panel built tho. But would be cool with an area like that somewhere in Altengrad.
Another one of my buildings in this great city, thank you!
Regarding the styles of the new buildings, I've always found it interesting how buildings where I live, and generally in (former) Yugoslavia, were similar yet very different from other socialist and communist buildings. For example, the hotel and the prototype residential building fit perfectly in the more central European setting of Altengrad or even in more eastern countries, but would never work in Yugoslavia. Even though it was aligned with the USSR for the first few years, here the stalinist socialist-realist style was entirely skipped - important public buildings were designed in the international style (more similar to western Europe), while residential buildings were instantly designed more like the non-prototype buildings shown here (even though they weren't always prefabricated) - simple and without almost any decoration, more in line with the modernist style of the 1930s. Another notable thing is that the building designes became much more elaborate and complex frome the late 1960s to the late 1980s.
That skyscraper looks great i hope after 1989 we will see more skyscrapers in the city :3
Maybe it could be in same way as prague skyscrapers, that are set mostly more outside from the city center. And near to highway.
Maybe some fancy underpasses for pedestrians in the city centre can help with the problem in front of the new hotel building. But I am not sure how would that be possible in the game. And it is related to that time period, plus has some Soviet-ness to it. It is literally torture to use them (well, at least for me), but we still have them in Baku, and also I have seen them in Tbilisi, Budapest and Warsaw.
Seeing you put together that block of flats by changing every aspect of the model makes me wonder if you'd find it easier and faster to just make these custom buildings in blender and reuse the mods textures. It's basically what you're already doing.
Making assets in blender takes a lot more time. Also I need to see what I'm doing in-game since that's the point of customizing stuff - to make it fit with the city.
The whole series somehow shows the whole dilemma around the car.
It's not planned that way, but the further you get into this here and now with the Build series, the more it will go in the direction of car construction, right? Which then shows us how the car destroyed both old and newer cities.
This has greatly inspired me for my own European city project
You should check Marszałkowska Dzielnica Mieszkaniowa in Warsaw. It is Stalin Era district. Very monumental but very impractical.
That's really outstanding! You're breathtaking!
By the way, what's the stuff were placed in the house, so pops apeared there, although that's a procedural object?
steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=2066406432
Are you Czech by any chance? I just found this and I am loving it, Im gonna check older parts aswell.
I am.
Are we going to see some slum clearance in the old city?
Amazing work
I have three question
1) Are you planning to locate the seat of a communist party in the city?
2) will you run this series until 2022?
3) will there be a revolution to overthrow the communist system (as it was in Hungary, Romania, Czechoslovakia or Poland?)
maybe, yes, yes
@@Akruas
Thanks for the answer ❤️
I love this series ❤️
I don't know if read comments but i think that if you are in communism era, you can build something in shape of Krakow's Nowa Huta.
Pałac Kultury i Nauki moment.
1:00 fun fact, in polish we call it socrealizm
4:00 the street "złota" (golden) is cut in half by the palace of culture an sciense, before it was one street and technicaly it still is, but in practice, you know
You can download tram tracks without pedestrians on the workshop. :-)
Wouldn't solve this particular problem. Pedestrians need to use the segments, just not the intersection sides.
@@Akruas aha then it’s more difficult. I love the hotel, agree with you about the base which blends in very well with the surrounded buildings because of the same heights.
Broooo this shit lookin so good
Great video!
Try building a Falowiec or a honeycomb neighborhood from Gdańsk Zaspa
From my point of view this expansion is kinda realistic. I live in Płock, Poland. In 1960s we had around 40k people living here. In 80s that number went to 100k and in 90s to 130k. So as you can imagine city had to expand towards farming fields and smaller villages. There were no option to build that much homes inside the city. It all was effect of building oil refinery and oil industry in the city. Builders and workers needed housing so communist government just threw dozens of housing blocks, whole neighborhoods in open fields. My neighborhood was build in 70s and was expected to stay here temporally for 30 years, but then communist government went down and neighbourhood is still here. Other similar neighborhood kinda just ends without any warning. I mean you walk over there and you are in typical post communist housing district but second later you are in forest with hills, little stream and wildlife. I've seen deers living there. No gradual transition, just straight cut from city to forest. So I think your expansion is kinda in line with how communists were building expansions. You can always build some big industry and explain that it was the reason.
Great! 🤌🏽 more Videos like this!!!🤗
Hi Akruas are you going to upload these flathouses to the workshop ? I am planning to build some eastern block city in a near future and it would help me a lot :-)
No, since its a custom thing put together in the game, not an asset that can be uploaded.
@@Akruas alright anyway thx for the anwer btw I love your videos.
Do a video with adam something. Would be so good for these videos !
23:12 panelki
Hello Akruas could you tell me what mod you use to paint / brush the ground with pavement?
Surface Painter
@@Akruas Thank you
how to plcae residentials without em dissapearing or being replaced plss?
Holy shit, this is exacly what Socialism is! It's when government does stuff! .o.
Da, dis is good stuff
я живу в похожем пятиэтажном доме)
звукоизоляция, как понимаю, фиговая?
@@Maxemad да нормальная... как во всех домах)
Should have an area for the concentration camps too for extra realism!
Asset collection?
Небольшая поправка почти у всех граждан были машины но на них максимум можно было ездить 80~ км
Or as we call it here "socrealizm"
new video of Asturis pls
How do you get ronyx69’s decaprecate mods to work?
Which one?
@@Akruas i forgot but i noticed in maya he uses many of decaprecated decals like the container markings for harbors and roadside drains and for me they are all weirdly sized and broken
@@justusxp9216 Sounds like you need either the new Prop Anarchy mod, or the older Decal Prop Fix, which is now in Prop Anarchy.
@@Akruas thanks
Сталинский ампир!
What is this asset behind soviet hotel name?
what map theme and lut are you using?
Check description of this video ruclips.net/video/b3qwpRmtDvQ/видео.html
Is not Soviet microdistrict
Hi, just wanted to ask where can i find all of the assets?
Hi, it's all from the Steam Workshop. I don't have any asset collections though. If you are after something specific just type a comment like "what is that building/road/prop at 1:23"
@@Akruas Thanks for your answer. Do you know the red buses that you can see in 0:21 asset name?
@@ugniustalijunas3803 steamcommunity.com/id/cr_monroe/myworkshopfiles/?appid=255710&p=5
@@Akruas Thanks!