He probably worked the angle that he killed Brody to draw publicity. The puerto Rican hero that killed a bully American. Even though it was about money they owed brody and the fear brody would kick their arse if they didn't pay him sooner or later.
He never wrestled outside of Puerto Rico I don’t think after the Brody incident. I’m sure had Gonzalez tried to work in America or anywhere else after that I’m sure one of Brody’s friends would have beaten the shit out of him in the locker room or done worse.
According to Atlas, Colon was there too, and he was supposedly holding Gonzalez back in that shower area during the confrontation, so he KNOWS what happened!!
@@robmiller931 I was never impressed with Colon anyway, never saw what the big deal with him was! Heard he never paid his wrestlers a lot of the time! He's just as guilty!
I'm from Puerto Rico, and I remember how ppl were in the 90's with both Jose and Carlos, they were national heroes, had a ton of love and in recent times internet has opened a lot of ppls eyes and don't view them the same way anymore.
I lived in Puerto Rico in 2003 & 2004. At the time the uses of the internet was just starting to grow over there. Despite the internet not being as big as it is now, there was already sentiment growing against Carlos Colon, Invader & WWC. It also didn't help that when Invader left WWC for the IWA, about 2 weeks later Carlos Colon & the WWC introduced a Bruiser Brody Cup Tornament just to take a shot at Invader & IWA. Even the fans who sided against Brody considered that was in really bad taste.
Thats not true. In the 90s they were not national heroes, they were top wrestlers past their prime doing the same ol schtick week in and week out.....but we still watched it back then and i'd still rather watch those old shows over any show from now
@@RobVanDelay_WholeFnContest lmaooo whatever helps you sleep at night, I know what I lived and also remember the details very well, thank you for coming in 12 days late
@@RobVanDelay_WholeFnContest Invader was getting honors in the Senate in PR in the 90s. Not that it requires much to get one of those in PR, but still.
I grew up in the island in the 70s and 80s and to me by the time the 90s rolled in I saw that Carlos and Invader were not going to make way for people like Savio (TNT) and Rey Gonzalez. That arrogance and the cover up in the Brody incident to me killed the business for years
Story goes ,many American wrestlers there threatened with their lives if they testified against Gonzalez and werent even notified about the trial until it was over, leaving the only witnesses there being the ones to testify on Gonzalez' behalf..It doesnt take rocket science to figure out it was premeditated with Gonzalez approaching Brody with his hand rwapped in a towel to hide the knife,asking Brody to meet him in the shower" Brody,Amigo,come here por favor" and they had a bunch of marks serve on the jury,Knowing they could be easily swayed in Gonzalez' favor..he is an evil man who got away with murder and he deserves every misfortune that happens to him..just like the rest of the people that were in on it..If i were a wrestler,I would never return there
@@arod1766come on dude they threatened them before the trial while they were still on the island right after they basically stabbed him to death that is exactly the words the Tony Atlas uses money talks about this yes they where threatened immediately not some time after right then and there
@@arod1766 They were threatened after the murder from what I heard . Which is why a lot of American Wrestlers left Puerto Rico that day the court summons was days later
You try killing a man and fail, don’t get surprised if he gets you. Because that’s what happened. The self defense defense worked because Brody tried killing him and sent him to the hospital for weeks
That’s not why. The man had money, power, fame and connections, was a national hero in an under developed country. It’s not the New York district attorneys down there bud. It happens in America too with our own wealthy. Don’t be so naive. Kayfabe 😂
Luckily in the UK, you can be tried for the same crime twice if significant new evidence comes to light and the Court of Appeal agrees to quash the "not guilty" verdict. It hasn't be used a lot but it has been used, especially for historic murders.
There’s no significant new evidence. So it’s irrelevant. Brody tried killing the invader and the hospital records proved it. Do the self defense was believable if there was no witnesses. Nobody else was in the showers. You can’t testify about something you didn’t see
What’s terrible is that as a boy The Masked Invaders were my favorite tag teams. Broke my heart that one of them murdered Brody. It was inevitable he was WWF bound. Would have been amazing. To this day many of the younger Puerto Rican wrestling fans are appalled at the injustice of Brody’s murder
As Dutch explains due to the law principle of double jeopardy a defendant can't be tried twice for the same crime in US jurisdictions like Puerto Rico.
Tony Atlas was there and actually heard Brody grunt and yell after getting stabbed in the stomach twice, which cut his liver in half, and something about Brody's ponytail getting cut off because of how sharp the knife was. Plus it took the Ambulance 45 minutes to get to Brody. How fishy is that? Then Tony Atlas was warned that he was next. So he got the hell out of Puerto Rico. Research his videos on what happened.
James you are the best wrestling RUclipsr by far, you can tell your a decent passionate fan. I would never have known how great an influence Dutch was to wrestling, living here here in the UK, but with you and his stories I look forward till then everytime. Thanks
I've worked with a murderer that was on a work release program just before he was let out after 35 years. Awfully nice guy and respectful. If I didn't already know what he done I would have never known by the way he acted.
I worked with someone who was drunk driving and killed someone. He served his time and went back to his normal life. He was a good guy too, just not the sharpest tool in the shed.
Same worked with a serial rapist/Murderer. Never would of known by talking to him. Dude even bought me a new fan. He came over for a party and said here it was hot last time I was here. Cops show one day and he quit out of the blue I was like WTF
Anyone can be a murderer under the right circumstances, don't say much about your personality. People don't really have "murderer" written on their foreheads usually.
We love you here in Puerto Rico. We loved Brody. Invader #1 sucks. Culpable o no inocente, él lo mató, desgraciadamente (Guilty or not inocent, he killed him, unfortunately).
@@AxeDharme If they know about it at all, it's through shows like Dark Side of the Ring. Most current generation wrestling fans don't even acknowledge wrestling at all from prior to the Hogan era. Being that this happened in 1988 but not in the States, their knowledge of it tends to be a little shaky.
@@AxeDharme If I was running IWA, I would've used this knowledge to publicly bury the WWC and Invader/Colon. But I guess they were afraid that the Invader would use his mafia to hurt them. Idk.
That invader clown probably thought that after the body incident all the other out of town wrestlers would be afraid of him or scared to answer him back ...Good for Dutch actually showing him how insignificant he was
I have worked with Dutch and Invader as Leathface. I loved working with Dutch as it was always a learning experience and helped me in the learning process. Working with Invader was a fucking clusterfuck. I am 6ft6and 290lbs and was told to stay strong by the Booker Dick Murdock and invader wanted to be superman so it didn't work.
What do you mean we will never know… A guy got his stomach sliced open, stabbed and then died. And for a guy being 6’8 300+ pounds to have not of been able to be defensive during that act should definitely indicate he was blindsided by someone. What a cowardly thing to do, just stab someone when they aren’t looking. It was like a prison that day in PR.
I get hard times and not having anywhere else to go but integrity is everything. I liked Dutch before seeing this he was one of my favorites in Smoky Mountain but I lost so much respect that he would have anything to do with a man who murdered someone and got away with you can't act like you're disgusted by what happen and then work with them so you can earn some money.
Yeah plus the way he describes things seems fishy. Its not impossible but seems like a stretch that the whole jury was wrestling fans. And saw brody as a crazed mad man.
Dutch seems Intelligent, why would He ever go back unless they were paying him enough were He couldn't refuse, why would He ever go back if Brody was his friend!..
The question comes from someone in Harlan County Kentucky. Back in the late 1970s the then NWA champion, Terry Funk, went on Ron Fuller's wrestling TV show and told the striking coal miners in a spirit of friendship and amity that they were lazy, and they should stop sleeping with their sisters, take the generous pay cut the mine owners had offered and get their lazy duffs back to work. For some unknown reason, this advice was not received by the miners in the spirit which Funk had given it. Some miners even showed up at the matches with guns, with intention of shooting Funk
In the locker room, not the locker room showers. He heard commotion and saw the aftermath, Invader #1 with a bloody knife, Bruiser Brody bleeding on the floor, but nothing beyond that.
I believe he said he was Outside and saw it happened though a Window . And that Carlos and someone else I think it was the other owner tried to get near Brody when he was on the Floor and Atlas yelled at them don't you touch him . And that Brody was Telling Atlas don't let them hurt me no more . And Atlas told him don't you worry about that as nobody is gonna touch you no more
Really embarrassing to Puerto Ricans to have to defend this sham perpetrated on Brody and his wife. How in the hell does that guy sleep at night knowing he killed somebody and how stupid do the jurors have to be to let the guy off. What a black eye for the island
Wrestling back then still was a credible thing and brodys image was of a crazy guy.....you do the math. Although there's some things that didn't add up
@@maraviyoso8473: OJ wasn't a wrestler and no one seen him do shit . So how anyone knows he did it . While one the other hand people was in the dressing room when that piece of shit Puerto Rican murdered that man in cold blood. Hell they seen the bloody nife in his hand .
Black eye for the Island? Why do you think about 5 million of us left the Island since the 1960's? A system with rampant corruption and lawlessness. The population of the Island was close to 4 million in the 80's but nowadays is about 3.2 million. People get fed up and leave. A jury of stupid people were not going to convict Jose Gonzalez, not when you send witness summons to Mantel and Atlas weeks after the trial is over. Corrupt system. Nowadays, we see the same type of lawlessness in places like Chicago, Portland, Seattle, Baltimore, Oakland, New York, etc. People get away with crime. Who wants to live in such places? After Brody's murder Wrestling died in the Island. A real shame because when I was a little kid, I was able to watch matches with the very best wrestlers in the business. I saw Eddie Graham, Lou Thesz, Hiro Matsuda (trained Hogan), Jose Lothario, Briscoe brothers, Funk brothers, Johnny Valentine (Greg's father), Ric Flair, and so many others.
OJ is well rested, despite his perpetual search for “The real killer”… Snoopgreasedogg is a celebrity and all it took was his boy paying off a juror with a recording contract… Same ‘ol same ‘ol…
Every American wrestler that was there when Brody was killed stated (at some point) that they would never return to PR and work for Colon again. I guess Dutch was the exception and decided Colon’s money was worth more than Brody’s memory. How could you look Invader in the face ever again (much less work with him) knowing he got away with murder?
These men have to eat, Dutch even said he had nowhere else to go at the time. Once the pantry and fridge are empty and you've got no money to fill it back up then you'd do some things you normally wouldn't do to get by. It sounded like he had no other options, I'm Brody wouldn't I f been upset by a man trying to make a living. Thats what wrestling is about for these men
Would you Support House ,Feed and put clothes on Dutch and his Families back if he didn't go back to Puerto Rico. Funny how you talk about morals when it ain't your family that depends on that paycheck from wrestling .
@@robertrodriguez787 👍 I mean we all gotta eat, and I'm sure they were not excited about being there and probably even had a little fear about going back but unfortunately money has made everybody do something others may find questionable cause its a critical part of survival now unfortunately. The days of living off the land have been long gone so no other choices but to pick a trade and make money. These men chose wrestling as their trade and they went to the contractor (promotion) that was putting money in the bank account. People who don't get that are either out of touch, very privileged, or both lol. They act like they participated in the murder for going back to wrestle 🤦♂️😆 some peoples kids smh🙄🤣
In P.R. was a Tv show called La Comay, channel 4. Invader and Carlos had a big issue that at the end, Invader left. They start saying why they had their problems and blah, blah, blah. All of a sudden, Carlos started to say you betrayed me after all the things I've done for you. You are free because of me, and he started talking about the case on live tv and saying that if it wasn't for me, you were in jail. Like always, there is no video about that day. Well, part of but not the important part.
Like Mr Mantell said, “The only two people that know what happened, one is dead, and the other won’t talk”. So maybe it’s time to stop filling the blanks with one sided theories. We can only accept two things. Frank bullied Gonzalez and Gonzalez was and still an idiot.
Puerto Rico has to realize that nobody buys Colon and Gonzalez stories and that the murder of Brody and their celebration of Gonzalez tarnished their image in the eyes of a lot of wrestling fans
In the very early 80s I became a wrestling fan, because of Invaders 1 promos. As a kid I didn't know if something fatal was going happened in the match, because the way he spoke.
I was in Puerto Rico when this happened, most of these wrestlers are changing the story. Also, Dutch kept working in Puerto Rico after and most of them, we can find plenty of videos, also they continue to work the territory because they were broke and got paid and live in PR. These wrestlers are a bunch of hypocrites, after they’re old they showing up in every podcast to be relevant talking about the invader #1 and trust me when I tell you these guys where just fine with invader and they wouldn’t dare to call him idiot in his face. Invader finish was super simple punch to the heart… ask the Mantell family about it.
fwiw Atlas is very good artist...supposedly right before Brody's murder, Bruiser asked Atlas if he could draw a picture of Brody and his family for him. Somewhere there is a shoot interview with Atlas discussing it. Not sure if he ever finished it
My old neighbor when I stay with my great parents for awhile he killed his wife & kids was on the FBI most wanted list for 9 years. They found him in Mexico
What a shame in my island the justice system is a shame...use to admire this guys Carlos Colon & the Invader but after I hear this no more a killer is loose & the ones that covered this up are still walking in the street...I think that Carlos Colon should b taking out of the hall of fame😡😡😡😡😡🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
Puerto Rico's asking for help assistance funding after that last hurricane 🌀 the president pretty much told them to get f***** 🌀 🌀 they should have named that storm Bruiser Brody.
So many people look at brody like a victim. They ignore all the accounts of Brody throwing his weight around and beating people up. How many times does a man have to put you in the hospital before you are allowed to defend yourself?
Shout out to tech! We take for granted that they are speaking real time across an ocean, through wires laid across ocean floor. All at almost light speed.
As a wrestler Jose Gonzalez never impressed me too much. He had three stints in WWWF in the '70s as a lower midcard babyface, with the last one being in the early '80s as part of the masked Invaders tag team with first Johnny Rivera, then with Roberto Soto. Gonzalez never progressed past that point in the States. He had runs with other promotions as Sabu Singh the Prophet, one of them being Leroy McGuirk & Bill Watts' MidSouth promotion. In WWWF he was on the same level as El Olympico or Manuel Soto.
Invader #2 impressed me more than Invader #1 to be honest. Was taller and could actually do moves like a dropkick. Invader #1 could barely do wrestling moves in the 90's and was always burying more talented wrestlers.
Asking any successful heel from the territorial era if they were afraid of another wrestler killing them is silly. A third of the fans wanted to kill Dutch Mantel, especially in Puerto Rico. Buddy Rogers was the exception, not the rule.
I get it, it was business. Dutch had a family to feed and had to just stay quiet. Maybe we're not all put in the same situation, but we all seen back stabbings at work.
There is no excuse for going back. If that happened to one of my coworkers, I wouldn't have gone back. I would go get a factory job before I would have gone back. Money is more important than the memory of the man he claimed was his friend. It's not like it was literally go to Puerto Rico or starve to death.
@CaliforniaBear619 You mean what type of work he was "willing" to do. I'm almost 50. Never been unemployed. Sure, I've had plenty of jobs I've hated. I did what I needed to feed my kids. Farming, factories, steel mills, construction, retail, the Navy. You name it I did it. He could have done the same. He just wanted that easy money of working 3 days a week more than he cared about the memory of his "friend."
@@mr.joedirt8583 neither you or I have done thier type of work or the travel it involved 🤔. But yeah I guess he could just have gone and worked at McDonald's 🤷♂️
@CaliforniaBear619 Lol. Oh yeah, sure. I've never had a traveling job or a job that's hard on your body. That's a joke. I've served in the Navy for 8 years(6 active, 2 inactive). All we did was travel. Been everywhere in the Pacific, up and down Mexico, even the Middle East. And if you think wrestling is hard on your body try working in the furnace of a steel mill. I love professional wrestling, but him acting like he had nowhere to go and nothing else he could do to support himself and his family and you talking about his profession being hard is bit much. Bottom line he would rather have the easy cash than work 9 to 5. Brody's memory was nothing to him.
I always did believe that there was little more to it as well. That knifing they described was just straight vicious, there was some real personal issues attached to that stabbing.
@@Jason-si8iu Yeah he being as honest and candid as he possibly could. A lot of his 'friends' just were kind of afraid of him and tolerated him in my opinion. They hot about the way he he went out, but I don't believe many were that suprised. From some of the interviews I've seen and read they kind of put that incident on him,not that he deserved to be murdered and so violently. But he only one gear, and his personality may have had a little something to do with what went down.
A lot of folks in Puerto Rico, not the vocal ones, were and stilll are disgusted by this murder. To call Invader 1 a national hero is incredibly naive.
So murders can be good guys? Huh what are we worried about then? It was Bruiser Brodie's fault for being to concerned with earning money as owner while "acting" to crazy .....it is a wonder Abdullah didn't get murdered too then. Sigh, this story/excuse is a problem for me, Dutch, as I still have not heard a reason why Brodie needed to die besides him wanting his share. However the show had to go on though right? Money money money as the show must go on..... The prosecution also didn't bring back Tony Atlas or any other American wrestler to testify about the events. There was also other manipulated or selective evidence produced in court by prosecution and defendants to paint the story of the crazy American. Think I need a break from storytime now after this.......
To be honest, I understand Colon didn’t paid wrestlers properly and WWC owes a lot of money year to date! Maybe Brody got enough of that and claimed his salary but it did it the wrong way.
Tbh hearing Jose is like this doesn't surprise me it was said he killed brody because of something similar he really thought he was a world famous superstar and was barely famous at all he's so full of himself and it doesn't surprise me he did kill Bruser brody because of a disagreement in wrestling and they claim he was defending himself that's bs he didn't have to kill him to defend himself
Only two people in the world know what happened that day. One of them is dead the other is not talking actually the other is talking he said it was innocent and it was self-defense
brody didnt really help himself with his behaviour towards promoters as well, of course that has no baring on him being murdered in cold blood but his reputation was not very good,coupled with his public persona and the year it happend all contrtibuted to events before and after
If he had any honor he would have never went back. There were independents he could have worked at. He could have done other stuff. He went back for the money. Disgraceful.
I believe like one year ago Invader did an interview in Puerto Rico where he claimed that he was framed for the Brody insident because the other wrestlers used to envy him, what a piece of trash.
What I thought of Dutch was he was 1 hairy man and I was one but how could a true fan not know Dutch when he came in with his whip the Jayhawkers how they didn't get a good run with a tag team belts because there was more then one tag Champs like world, USA, but he was a solid character could talk could work
Just watched Gonzalez get his ass beat by Tor Kamata in an real old WWWF show on Peacock. Kamata was working REAL stiff. I was hooting with every strike. Gonzalez must have pissed him off.
I have listened to Tony Atlas talk about the brody incident on numerous podcasts and his story never changes that Brody was murdered in cold blood.
After the murder of Brody....I was and STILL am surprised that Gonzalez was not Black Balled. He will always be The OJ Simpson of Wrestling to me.
He probably worked the angle that he killed Brody to draw publicity. The puerto Rican hero that killed a bully American. Even though it was about money they owed brody and the fear brody would kick their arse if they didn't pay him sooner or later.
He never wrestled outside of Puerto Rico I don’t think after the Brody incident. I’m sure had Gonzalez tried to work in America or anywhere else after that I’m sure one of Brody’s friends would have beaten the shit out of him in the locker room or done worse.
According to Atlas, Colon was there too, and he was supposedly holding Gonzalez back in that shower area during the confrontation, so he KNOWS what happened!!
probably because they were all possibly in cahoots together and notice,I dont think he ever wrestled outside of Puerto Rico again
@@robmiller931 I was never impressed with Colon anyway, never saw what the big deal with him was! Heard he never paid his wrestlers a lot of the time! He's just as guilty!
I'm from Puerto Rico, and I remember how ppl were in the 90's with both Jose and Carlos, they were national heroes, had a ton of love and in recent times internet has opened a lot of ppls eyes and don't view them the same way anymore.
I lived in Puerto Rico in 2003 & 2004. At the time the uses of the internet was just starting to grow over there. Despite the internet not being as big as it is now, there was already sentiment growing against Carlos Colon, Invader & WWC. It also didn't help that when Invader left WWC for the IWA, about 2 weeks later Carlos Colon & the WWC introduced a Bruiser Brody Cup Tornament just to take a shot at Invader & IWA. Even the fans who sided against Brody considered that was in really bad taste.
Thats not true. In the 90s they were not national heroes, they were top wrestlers past their prime doing the same ol schtick week in and week out.....but we still watched it back then and i'd still rather watch those old shows over any show from now
@@RobVanDelay_WholeFnContest lmaooo whatever helps you sleep at night, I know what I lived and also remember the details very well, thank you for coming in 12 days late
@@RobVanDelay_WholeFnContest Invader was getting honors in the Senate in PR in the 90s. Not that it requires much to get one of those in PR, but still.
I grew up in the island in the 70s and 80s and to me by the time the 90s rolled in I saw that Carlos and Invader were not going to make way for people like Savio (TNT) and Rey Gonzalez. That arrogance and the cover up in the Brody incident to me killed the business for years
I'd feel also uncomfortable working with a murderer.
I wouldn't either, I understand Dutch need to earn a living, but that would have been the last place I would have even considered working.
@@johnnybstuddd4482 From the sounds of it, it WAS the last place
Tony Atlas knows quite a bit about what happened.
Tony Atlas was a true friend to Brody. He was not happy when Dutch became the WWA booker after Brody's death.
Tony went back and wrestled there too. He had to work as well...
Wwc
"Invader say he no like finish."
"I guess I better change it or he'll kill me." - Dutch Mantell
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Story goes ,many American wrestlers there threatened with their lives if they testified against Gonzalez and werent even notified about the trial until it was over, leaving the only witnesses there being the ones to testify on Gonzalez' behalf..It doesnt take rocket science to figure out it was premeditated with Gonzalez approaching Brody with his hand rwapped in a towel to hide the knife,asking Brody to meet him in the shower" Brody,Amigo,come here por favor" and they had a bunch of marks serve on the jury,Knowing they could be easily swayed in Gonzalez' favor..he is an evil man who got away with murder and he deserves every misfortune that happens to him..just like the rest of the people that were in on it..If i were a wrestler,I would never return there
So why threaten them if they weren’t notified to testify? You can’t have it both ways. That should tell you it bs
@@arod1766 They were threatened. But the reasons the witness summons were late it was because the fix was in.
@@arod1766come on dude they threatened them before the trial while they were still on the island right after they basically stabbed him to death that is exactly the words the Tony Atlas uses money talks about this yes they where threatened immediately not some time after right then and there
@arod1766 what a dumb comment hahaha
@@arod1766 They were threatened after the murder from what I heard . Which is why a lot of American Wrestlers left Puerto Rico that day the court summons was days later
Sad that a murderer was basically set free because of kayfabe 😔
Kinda shows the intelligence level doesn't it ?
You try killing a man and fail, don’t get surprised if he gets you. Because that’s what happened. The self defense defense worked because Brody tried killing him and sent him to the hospital for weeks
And got to live a full life as a free man.
That’s not why. The man had money, power, fame and connections, was a national hero in an under developed country. It’s not the New York district attorneys down there bud. It happens in America too with our own wealthy. Don’t be so naive. Kayfabe 😂
Even if Invader ever did talk, it's not like he would admit it. Of course he'll say it was self-defense.
He vaguely acknowledged the event on a promo for the IWA. The only thing he said was that he was accused of murder.
@@johndeska1 when he retired a few months ago. Said "I was accused of a crime of which i was innocent"
Luckily in the UK, you can be tried for the same crime twice if significant new evidence comes to light and the Court of Appeal agrees to quash the "not guilty" verdict. It hasn't be used a lot but it has been used, especially for historic murders.
There’s no significant new evidence. So it’s irrelevant. Brody tried killing the invader and the hospital records proved it. Do the self defense was believable if there was no witnesses. Nobody else was in the showers. You can’t testify about something you didn’t see
What’s terrible is that as a boy The Masked Invaders were my favorite tag teams. Broke my heart that one of them murdered Brody. It was inevitable he was WWF bound. Would have been amazing. To this day many of the younger Puerto Rican wrestling fans are appalled at the injustice of Brody’s murder
Instead we got John Nord as the Berserker.
Bruiser Brody's family should find a good lawyer and reopen this case so that the murderer goes to jail and justice is served.
As Dutch explains due to the law principle of double jeopardy a defendant can't be tried twice for the same crime in US jurisdictions like Puerto Rico.
@@2021ruber
He actually can be tried again, but, it would have to be with concrete evidence proving him guilty.
3:48 "Go take a shower and leave, that's all I want you to do"
The Brody incident really adds some extra euphemism to that statement
Tony Atlas was there and actually heard Brody grunt and yell after getting stabbed in the stomach twice, which cut his liver in half, and something about Brody's ponytail getting cut off because of how sharp the knife was. Plus it took the Ambulance 45 minutes to get to Brody. How fishy is that? Then Tony Atlas was warned that he was next. So he got the hell out of Puerto Rico. Research his videos on what happened.
The last woman I dated is now serving life without parole for murdering the guy she was dating a couple years after her and I broke up!
Long time between drinks
Jason Buzzalini...
You escaped a Buzz - A - Saw 💯
Did she ever want you to watch "Fatal Attraction" together? YIKES
I can fully understand how that relates to this video...
Sounds like you dodged a bullet, but he didn't.
James you are the best wrestling RUclipsr by far, you can tell your a decent passionate fan. I would never have known how great an influence Dutch was to wrestling, living here here in the UK, but with you and his stories I look forward till then everytime. Thanks
I've worked with a murderer that was on a work release program just before he was let out after 35 years. Awfully nice guy and respectful. If I didn't already know what he done I would have never known by the way he acted.
I worked with someone who was drunk driving and killed someone. He served his time and went back to his normal life. He was a good guy too, just not the sharpest tool in the shed.
Same worked with a serial rapist/Murderer. Never would of known by talking to him. Dude even bought me a new fan. He came over for a party and said here it was hot last time I was here. Cops show one day and he quit out of the blue I was like WTF
Still wonder what could of happened had someone pissed him off at that party. He was a big black guy. Reminded me of Michael dunkin Clark
It doesn't take that long to kill someone. Doesn't mean you're a bad guy, All the time. Maybe you just had a bad day?
Anyone can be a murderer under the right circumstances, don't say much about your personality. People don't really have "murderer" written on their foreheads usually.
We love you here in Puerto Rico. We loved Brody. Invader #1 sucks. Culpable o no inocente, él lo mató, desgraciadamente (Guilty or not inocent, he killed him, unfortunately).
Does the current generation know about the Brody murder or is it just another "wrestling thing" that happened 35+ years ago?
yo tambien me gustaba mucho brusier brody lo vi en persona era impresionante jamas le perdonare al invader lo que hizo muy lamentable
@@AxeDharme they kind of know; but loosely
@@AxeDharme If they know about it at all, it's through shows like Dark Side of the Ring. Most current generation wrestling fans don't even acknowledge wrestling at all from prior to the Hogan era. Being that this happened in 1988 but not in the States, their knowledge of it tends to be a little shaky.
@@AxeDharme If I was running IWA, I would've used this knowledge to publicly bury the WWC and Invader/Colon. But I guess they were afraid that the Invader would use his mafia to hurt them. Idk.
That invader clown probably thought that after the body incident all the other out of town wrestlers would be afraid of him or scared to answer him back ...Good for Dutch actually showing him how insignificant he was
I have worked with Dutch and Invader as Leathface. I loved working with Dutch as it was always a learning experience and helped me in the learning process. Working with Invader was a fucking clusterfuck. I am 6ft6and 290lbs and was told to stay strong by the Booker Dick Murdock
and invader wanted to be superman so it didn't work.
Right....... 😉
Bredren bout 5'7" 185lbs 😂 💯
I remember Dutch in WCW. That was my first time seeing him. I loved my WCW trading cards with him on them. I had the entire set as a kid.
What do you mean we will never know… A guy got his stomach sliced open, stabbed and then died. And for a guy being 6’8 300+ pounds to have not of been able to be defensive during that act should definitely indicate he was blindsided by someone. What a cowardly thing to do, just stab someone when they aren’t looking. It was like a prison that day in PR.
It's like prison every day in Puerto Rico
I get hard times and not having anywhere else to go but integrity is everything. I liked Dutch before seeing this he was one of my favorites in Smoky Mountain but I lost so much respect that he would have anything to do with a man who murdered someone and got away with you can't act like you're disgusted by what happen and then work with them so you can earn some money.
I doubt he will sleep tonight
@@matthewgabbard6415 Huh? Do you mean you doubt he will lose sleep from my comment?
Yeah plus the way he describes things seems fishy. Its not impossible but seems like a stretch that the whole jury was wrestling fans. And saw brody as a crazed mad man.
Dutch is and was wimp
Brody is one of my favorite wrestlers
You can re open a case if new evidence is found. Like if someone had a recording of invader pre planning to stab brody the case could be re opened.
Dutch seems Intelligent, why would He ever go back unless they were paying him enough were He couldn't refuse, why would He ever go back if Brody was his friend!..
He just said if you couldn’t work in wwf or wcw that was the only place to work anywhere else you couldn’t make any money
@@Turnheadcough rollocks. there was always Japan.
@@MrChintarogo across the world or a few hours south?
@@MrChintarono for Dutch, he didn't like rough or bleeding and was not a giant.
The question comes from someone in Harlan County Kentucky. Back in the late 1970s the then NWA champion, Terry Funk, went on Ron Fuller's wrestling TV show and told the striking coal miners in a spirit of friendship and amity that they were lazy, and they should stop sleeping with their sisters, take the generous pay cut the mine owners had offered and get their lazy duffs back to work. For some unknown reason, this advice was not received by the miners in the spirit which Funk had given it. Some miners even showed up at the matches with guns, with intention of shooting Funk
Well what happened then?
@Nigel terry funk is still alive
I mightve reacted the same to Funks promo...I only sleep with my 1st cousins🤣
Union shit used to get real, but wrestlings always been a heat getting carnie job so it doesnt surprise me. Love Terrys Florida Cracker promos
😂
I heard Tony Atlas was there and was in the locker room when this went down...
In the locker room, not the locker room showers. He heard commotion and saw the aftermath, Invader #1 with a bloody knife, Bruiser Brody bleeding on the floor, but nothing beyond that.
"Ah wuz dere wen de killed da bruiser body's ah yessir sirsir"
Yeah but he did not see it until after Brody was stabbed
I believe he said he was Outside and saw it happened though a Window . And that Carlos and someone else I think it was the other owner tried to get near Brody when he was on the Floor and Atlas yelled at them don't you touch him . And that Brody was Telling Atlas don't let them hurt me no more . And Atlas told him don't you worry about that as nobody is gonna touch you no more
Really embarrassing to Puerto Ricans to have to defend this sham perpetrated on Brody and his wife. How in the hell does that guy sleep at night knowing he killed somebody and how stupid do the jurors have to be to let the guy off.
What a black eye for the island
Mmmmmm, many American wrestlers have been murderers, too, and got away with it. BTW, OJ Simpson wants to talk to you
Wrestling back then still was a credible thing and brodys image was of a crazy guy.....you do the math.
Although there's some things that didn't add up
@@maraviyoso8473: OJ wasn't a wrestler and no one seen him do shit . So how anyone knows he did it . While one the other hand people was in the dressing room when that piece of shit Puerto Rican murdered that man in cold blood. Hell they seen the bloody nife in his hand .
Black eye for the Island? Why do you think about 5 million of us left the Island since the 1960's? A system with rampant corruption and lawlessness. The population of the Island was close to 4 million in the 80's but nowadays is about 3.2 million. People get fed up and leave. A jury of stupid people were not going to convict Jose Gonzalez, not when you send witness summons to Mantel and Atlas weeks after the trial is over. Corrupt system. Nowadays, we see the same type of lawlessness in places like Chicago, Portland, Seattle, Baltimore, Oakland, New York, etc. People get away with crime. Who wants to live in such places? After Brody's murder Wrestling died in the Island. A real shame because when I was a little kid, I was able to watch matches with the very best wrestlers in the business. I saw Eddie Graham, Lou Thesz, Hiro Matsuda (trained Hogan), Jose Lothario, Briscoe brothers, Funk brothers, Johnny Valentine (Greg's father), Ric Flair, and so many others.
OJ is well rested, despite his perpetual search for “The real killer”…
Snoopgreasedogg is a celebrity and all it took was his boy paying off a juror with a recording contract…
Same ‘ol same ‘ol…
Every American wrestler that was there when Brody was killed stated (at some point) that they would never return to PR and work for Colon again. I guess Dutch was the exception and decided Colon’s money was worth more than Brody’s memory. How could you look Invader in the face ever again (much less work with him) knowing he got away with murder?
These men have to eat, Dutch even said he had nowhere else to go at the time. Once the pantry and fridge are empty and you've got no money to fill it back up then you'd do some things you normally wouldn't do to get by. It sounded like he had no other options, I'm Brody wouldn't I f been upset by a man trying to make a living. Thats what wrestling is about for these men
Would you Support House ,Feed and put clothes on Dutch and his Families back if he didn't go back to Puerto Rico. Funny how you talk about morals when it ain't your family that depends on that paycheck from wrestling .
@@jond2458 Exactly blame the people that murdered Brody . Not the Wrestlers that went back to make a Living
@@robertrodriguez787 👍 I mean we all gotta eat, and I'm sure they were not excited about being there and probably even had a little fear about going back but unfortunately money has made everybody do something others may find questionable cause its a critical part of survival now unfortunately. The days of living off the land have been long gone so no other choices but to pick a trade and make money. These men chose wrestling as their trade and they went to the contractor (promotion) that was putting money in the bank account. People who don't get that are either out of touch, very privileged, or both lol. They act like they participated in the murder for going back to wrestle 🤦♂️😆 some peoples kids smh🙄🤣
Brody was a bully that bullied Invader one time too many.
In P.R. was a Tv show called La Comay, channel 4. Invader and Carlos had a big issue that at the end, Invader left. They start saying why they had their problems and blah, blah, blah. All of a sudden, Carlos started to say you betrayed me after all the things I've done for you. You are free because of me, and he started talking about the case on live tv and saying that if it wasn't for me, you were in jail. Like always, there is no video about that day. Well, part of but not the important part.
Cant call yourself someone a friend then work for the guy who murdered him.
He didn’t work for him. Dutch had to live man, grow up.
Like Mr Mantell said, “The only two people that know what happened, one is dead, and the other won’t talk”. So maybe it’s time to stop filling the blanks with one sided theories. We can only accept two things. Frank bullied Gonzalez and Gonzalez was and still an idiot.
wow for many year waiting what dutch mantel coming back to puerto rico now i understand it
Cut off Puerto Rico funding "defund Puerto Rico"
Give Puerto Rico their Independence and let them go for good.
Puerto Rico has to realize that nobody buys Colon and Gonzalez stories and that the murder of Brody and their celebration of Gonzalez tarnished their image in the eyes of a lot of wrestling fans
tony atlas story never changed
Yea I don’t know if I could work with someone who murdered my friend. I’d rather be homeless
Wrestlers are whores and will do anything for money.
Unless you've ever been homeless and starving,you can't say that!
Tony Atlas has the best story, and in my opinion, the truest story. Dutch disappointed me in his here.
In the very early 80s I became a wrestling fan, because of Invaders 1 promos. As a kid I didn't know if something fatal was going happened in the match, because the way he spoke.
Mantell: "Sometimes you have to bury the hatchet."
No offense dude but you should have refused
I was in Puerto Rico when this happened, most of these wrestlers are changing the story. Also, Dutch kept working in Puerto Rico after and most of them, we can find plenty of videos, also they continue to work the territory because they were broke and got paid and live in PR. These wrestlers are a bunch of hypocrites, after they’re old they showing up in every podcast to be relevant talking about the invader #1 and trust me when I tell you these guys where just fine with invader and they wouldn’t dare to call him idiot in his face. Invader finish was super simple punch to the heart… ask the Mantell family about it.
Invader is a clown. Invader won't mess with someone who is as crazy.
He wasn't at the trial, but he knows the jury were all wrestling fans. This is some tall tale
Actually, Abdullah was kind of a blunt guy.
I've gotten drunk with a known murderer before, it's an eerie feeling knowing when someone has done something so terrible
I drank with my Uncle who fought in Iraq. For us, it was Friday...
Your ex who had an abortion don't count
Why you Drinking with him, then?
@@Riese79
I was in a biker bar with a friend
Odds are more than a few of the men in that room were murderers
@@FIXTREME there's a difference between someone who served his country and a cold blooded killer
You are mistaken, it was a tuesday
I'm surprised noone tryed to end him in the ring. Accidents happen.
It’s so crazy how people still trusted and worked with him! Even to this day! Savio Vega wrestled with him in 2022
Im from Puerto Rico and we all know that Invader is crazy. I grew up watching Dutch wrestle.
12:03 What's that music at the end?
Could you make an episode special on the Bruiser Brody incident.
fwiw Atlas is very good artist...supposedly right before Brody's murder, Bruiser asked Atlas if he could draw a picture of Brody and his family for him. Somewhere there is a shoot interview with Atlas discussing it. Not sure if he ever finished it
My old neighbor when I stay with my great parents for awhile he killed his wife & kids was on the FBI most wanted list for 9 years. They found him in Mexico
Thanks for your relevant input
@@aidy6000 welcome, the dude name was Jorge Alberto Lopez-Orozco he was top five most wanted and Osama bin Laden was number one at the time.
Wonderful
What a shame in my island the justice system is a shame...use to admire this guys Carlos Colon & the Invader but after I hear this no more a killer is loose & the ones that covered this up are still walking in the street...I think that Carlos Colon should b taking out of the hall of fame😡😡😡😡😡🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
Al snow said that also that the majority of wrestlers can't make a living today in wrestling.
, wrestling in Puerto Rico picked up again since the 90s it's definitely back😂
How or where can someone ask a question for a future podcast?
Nobody committed private justice? why hasnt anyone dealt with that murderer properly? SMH.
Double jeopardy has not been abolished in the UK apart from extreme circumstances.
When booking a murderer, it's best to let said murderer get whatever the hell he wants.
Puerto Rico's asking for help assistance funding after that last hurricane 🌀 the president pretty much told them to get f***** 🌀 🌀 they should have named that storm Bruiser Brody.
So many people look at brody like a victim. They ignore all the accounts of Brody throwing his weight around and beating people up. How many times does a man have to put you in the hospital before you are allowed to defend yourself?
Shout out to tech! We take for granted that they are speaking real time across an ocean, through wires laid across ocean floor. All at almost light speed.
Tell dutch to tell some stories about the guy he called moody in Puerto Rico.
The witnesses did not speak.
You mean the ones that got their summons to testify after the trial was over?
There weren't any. No one saw the actual incident... According to script.
As a wrestler Jose Gonzalez never impressed me too much. He had three stints in WWWF in the '70s as a lower midcard babyface, with the last one being in the early '80s as part of the masked Invaders tag team with first Johnny Rivera, then with Roberto Soto. Gonzalez never progressed past that point in the States. He had runs with other promotions as Sabu Singh the Prophet, one of them being Leroy McGuirk & Bill Watts' MidSouth promotion. In WWWF he was on the same level as El Olympico or Manuel Soto.
Invader #2 impressed me more than Invader #1 to be honest. Was taller and could actually do moves like a dropkick. Invader #1 could barely do wrestling moves in the 90's and was always burying more talented wrestlers.
@@rdrouynriv If I'm not mistaken, Invader #2 may have been Roberto Soto.
Asking any successful heel from the territorial era if they were afraid of another wrestler killing them is silly. A third of the fans wanted to kill Dutch Mantel, especially in Puerto Rico. Buddy Rogers was the exception, not the rule.
Tony Atlas saw the whole thing, Mantel is lying. He said he left the locker room because he knew it was going to happen.
he said he left the locker room because he sensed the vibe was off, not that he knew an actual stabbing was about to happen
Blunt way to tell her? Abdullah is a certified idiot for talking to Brody's wife that way.
I get it, it was business. Dutch had a family to feed and had to just stay quiet. Maybe we're not all put in the same situation, but we all seen back stabbings at work.
There is no excuse for going back. If that happened to one of my coworkers, I wouldn't have gone back. I would go get a factory job before I would have gone back. Money is more important than the memory of the man he claimed was his friend. It's not like it was literally go to Puerto Rico or starve to death.
@@mr.joedirt8583 all depends what type of work you do.
@CaliforniaBear619 You mean what type of work he was "willing" to do. I'm almost 50. Never been unemployed. Sure, I've had plenty of jobs I've hated. I did what I needed to feed my kids. Farming, factories, steel mills, construction, retail, the Navy. You name it I did it. He could have done the same. He just wanted that easy money of working 3 days a week more than he cared about the memory of his "friend."
@@mr.joedirt8583 neither you or I have done thier type of work or the travel it involved 🤔. But yeah I guess he could just have gone and worked at McDonald's 🤷♂️
@CaliforniaBear619 Lol. Oh yeah, sure. I've never had a traveling job or a job that's hard on your body. That's a joke. I've served in the Navy for 8 years(6 active, 2 inactive). All we did was travel. Been everywhere in the Pacific, up and down Mexico, even the Middle East. And if you think wrestling is hard on your body try working in the furnace of a steel mill. I love professional wrestling, but him acting like he had nowhere to go and nothing else he could do to support himself and his family and you talking about his profession being hard is bit much. Bottom line he would rather have the easy cash than work 9 to 5. Brody's memory was nothing to him.
Brody bullied invader months earlier, plus there was $$$ owed, lots of shady things was going on
I always did believe that there was little more to it as well. That knifing they described was just straight vicious, there was some real personal issues attached to that stabbing.
@@crichtonleprechaun5222 when Harley said he warned bruiser he seemed legit
@@Jason-si8iu Yeah he being as honest and candid as he possibly could. A lot of his 'friends' just were kind of afraid of him and tolerated him in my opinion. They hot about the way he he went out, but I don't believe many were that suprised. From some of the interviews I've seen and read they kind of put that incident on him,not that he deserved to be murdered and so violently. But he only one gear, and his personality may have had a little something to do with what went down.
It was 1st degree murder period. Bully bullshit
@@donaldsp360 Tell me, who said it wasn't?
Should of giving me a battery and two clamps I’d of got him talking😊
A lot of folks in Puerto Rico, not the vocal ones, were and stilll are disgusted by this murder. To call Invader 1 a national hero is incredibly naive.
How could anyone work with that dude after he murdered someone?
Harley Race said bruiser Brody was a bully and brought it on himself
Fuck race
Never heard that
@@Turnheadcough just look up Harley Race on death of bruiser brody
He was a bully and a complete cock.
@@Turnheadcough theres 2 separate interviews on youtube
Bruiser's killer getting away w killing him for his gimmick should have been a sign that Kayfabe was such an essential part of wrestling good or bad
I think it would be insane to work with this guy after what he did!
This guy words it brutally saying you can't be tried for the second offense--- he means tried a second time for the same offense
You wouldn’t have done 💩 Dutch. You wouldn’t have done 💩. You would have done the same thing you did when he killed Brody and that’s nothing.
Dutch got his paybacks for Brody. Just in a different way, he didn’t book him good matches, so he couldn’t get over or make good money.
Dutch don't said that they were bullies when they go to PR and the puertorican wrestler put a stop to it
So murders can be good guys? Huh what are we worried about then? It was Bruiser Brodie's fault for being to concerned with earning money as owner while "acting" to crazy .....it is a wonder Abdullah didn't get murdered too then. Sigh, this story/excuse is a problem for me, Dutch, as I still have not heard a reason why Brodie needed to die besides him wanting his share. However the show had to go on though right? Money money money as the show must go on.....
The prosecution also didn't bring back Tony Atlas or any other American wrestler to testify about the events. There was also other manipulated or selective evidence produced in court by prosecution and defendants to paint the story of the crazy American. Think I need a break from storytime now after this.......
Thank god take a permanent break please we all beg you. Cya
I would never have had anything to do with them people after that murder
To be honest, I understand Colon didn’t paid wrestlers properly and WWC owes a lot of money year to date! Maybe Brody got enough of that and claimed his salary but it did it the wrong way.
Tbh hearing Jose is like this doesn't surprise me it was said he killed brody because of something similar he really thought he was a world famous superstar and was barely famous at all he's so full of himself and it doesn't surprise me he did kill Bruser brody because of a disagreement in wrestling and they claim he was defending himself that's bs he didn't have to kill him to defend himself
Survival move. I understand it
He murdered your friend in cold blood wow. I dont think i would have gone back there.
Im surprised Dutch didn’t tear Invader a new one.
What about Carlos Colon? He said he was the first one in the shower after the stabbing
Only two people in the world know what happened that day. One of them is dead the other is not talking actually the other is talking he said it was innocent and it was self-defense
What do you think if history was diferent instead and the other man kills the inveider thast nothing is insignificant.
Tony atlas would've kilt and mfer if he could've gotten a hold of em
brody didnt really help himself with his behaviour towards promoters as well, of course that has no baring on him being murdered in cold blood but his reputation was not very good,coupled with his public persona and the year it happend all contrtibuted to events before and after
If he had any honor he would have never went back. There were independents he could have worked at. He could have done other stuff. He went back for the money. Disgraceful.
How many guys worked with Snuka after killed his girlfriend
I believe like one year ago Invader did an interview in Puerto Rico where he claimed that he was framed for the Brody insident because the other wrestlers used to envy him, what a piece of trash.
What I thought of Dutch was he was 1 hairy man and I was one but how could a true fan not know Dutch when he came in with his whip the Jayhawkers how they didn't get a good run with a tag team belts because there was more then one tag Champs like world, USA, but he was a solid character could talk could work
Carlos is no better all of that group should rot in jail for what they did
Just watched Gonzalez get his ass beat by Tor Kamata in an real old WWWF show on Peacock. Kamata was working REAL stiff. I was hooting with every strike. Gonzalez must have pissed him off.