TransPennine Express Nova 1! Just another Class 800?
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Today, we take a ride aboard on of TransPennine Express' relatively new Class 802 Nova 1 Units to see how they compare to the other Class 800 family trains out there!
Date of Travel: April 2021
Class of Travel: Standard Class (2nd Class)
Rolling Stock: Class 802 "Nova 1"
Type of Service: Express Passenger
Operator: TransPennine Express
Train Number: 9S07
Origin: Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, United Kingdom (England)
Destination: Edinburgh, United Kingdom (Scotland)
Cost of Ticket: £22.35 ($29.70, €26.30; including railcard discount of ⅓)
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I travel to Huddersfield from Leeds daily for university, and I can say the station building never ceases to take my breath away. A magnificent and beautiful piece of architecture!
Totally agree with you, I use to go here sometimes when at college in the '80s, it is sad though that they appear to have to have done only the bare minimum in investment since then, but that could apply to everything outside of the south-east, good luck with your education.
I love the look of these trains...the livery looks smart and inside looks cool too...Good report.
Thanks!
Make a New Years resolution to get off the train at Newcastle to see the station and have a walk through the center of the city. You'll have a very pleasant time and maybe it will inspire you to do a video on your visit. Absolutely love your videos! Keep up the good work!
there is plenty of TOCs he could try to get up there, perhaps a XC offering, or a one off on the tyne & wear metro,
As in other reviews, TransPennine seem to offer a good product with these Class 802 units, although I think Lumo have done slightly better on the interior (perhaps they took their cue from TP and improved on the padding, lighting and several other small points. I must go back and have another look at Lumo to confirm my thoughts. At any rate, these units make up for the lack of capacity on a single Class 185. I was fortunate to have a couple of rides on these units and thought that a 5 car set would have been a better offering. i'm just wondering what my own local regional train operator, V/Line, might do when it comes time to replace 4 and 5 car loco-hauled sets that have a catering facility for medium/long distance journeys. The lovely V/Locity units at 3 cars long just don't cut it for journeys such as Melbourne to Echuca, Maryborough or Bairnsdale. Anyway, thanks again for a great review of the TP Class 802 units and hope you and your family and friends have a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year and can avoid this latest Covid curse, Omicron. Cheers from Michael.
Huddersfield station is awesome. It reminds me of the old joke about Bristol. The city with a railway station that looks like a cathedral, and a cathedral that looks like a railway station!
Love it too. And the pub is great!
And the cows nearby like their udders feeled *groan*
@@johnwillis187 Can you still walk through the pub onto the platforms?
I appreciate that different coaches may give different ride. My Azuma to Edinburgh a few months ago vibrated a lot above 115mph. I'm booked on lumo in Feb, so I'll see if there's any difference. My local 80n in the West Country can also be a mixed bag.
Wrt seats, the 2nd class GWR seats catch me on the back of my thighs where the seat rises towards the front edge, but as you say, the shape is generally ok.
I worry the units will age quickly, given the current variation in ride quality between different coaches.
I enjoy layout videos.
I enjoy all your videos very much.
11:50 You can see the A1 60163 Tornado parked outside the National Railway Museum in York.
Your videos are great! I like it👍 The fact that class 800 runs on electrified train lines and also on non-electrified lines is interesting.
Thanks a lot!
I have to agree that Huddersfield along with Liverpool Lime street have 2 of the best Facades in the North of England and that is coming from a Lancastrian.
Great vid😊 love your channel it always brightens my mood when I watch you
Great review Dylan. I have been on these units a fair few times and in my opinion the seats are an absolute disgrace. These trains could be incredible but the seats and the abysmal ride quality really do let these trains down. On the plus side the acceleration really is amazing.
Thanks, Dylan! That was a fun trip!
Hi Dylan great channel I used to work on the railway for gwr at Paddington and Oxford 13 years and loved it think your channel is really good there are a lot of routes I like my favourite one is Nottingham to Skegness just because it reminds my of my childhood growing up in Leicester and always used to go to skeggy on bank holidays and in the summer I wouldn’t say it’s spectacular but there some nice quaint little places that it goes through give a go one day maybe keep up the good work
Another brilliant video, thank you. I have to say though, that the translation app is hilarious. My favourite on this video is at 16:29. I live about 4 miles from you)))
I generally find it outrageous that in modern trains due to the airline style seating the seats are just randomly in alignment with the windows.
Nice content as always
awesome scene of Huddersfield station - soon to change with the rebuilding for the wires
I think it’s rather fitting that I got adverts for TPE on this video!
My criticism of the standard class seats on any 80x train is their shape. Padding doesn't matter too much, but I like to be able to relax into a seat on a long journey like this. I felt I could comfortably do so on any HST or even a class 166 Turbo. But the 80x seats I find are too upright so I can't relax into them.
hi there, i agree the seating in these skip type trains are dreadful, why cant they have the mk 1 open coach style seats ? these 800 trains are designed to pack em in, without comfort, welcome to 2021
@@petersmith4455 Yeah true, they're providing uncomfortable seats while charging us ever higher fares to travel. Why???
Another great video but a bit surprised you showed a power station and didn't show a view of Holy Island. But who am I to question why lol 😆
Always a memorable trip running up the east coast mainline. I don't think I've ever done the west coast. Only got as far on there from London to Preston. Cheers. Dylan!
Don't expect any coast
You got bloody lucky with no fountains 😉
Aye, too right 😂
Great video,
In 866, Northumbria was in the midst of internecine struggles when the Vikings raided and captured York
In 1068, two years after the Norman conquest of England, the people of York rebelled. Initially they succeeded, but upon the arrival of William the Conqueror the rebellion was put down. Just wanted to correct your statement regarding the Viking capture of York.
I travelled on one of these train recently between Edinburgh and Newcastle. Overall they are very smart looking trains with nice interior, but I found the seats to be a little too uncomfy even for a journey of just under two hours. Then again that might just be because I’d had a hard day at work and I’d only just gotten off an overcrowded class 385 from Glasgow to Edinburgh and of course that’s on one of the infamous ironing board style seats. So by the time I’d gotten to Newcastle I was begging for something really comfy
Dylan - I hope you got the right thing today. I meant to send a tip but accidently sent a request and there was no way to immediately cancel it. I saw it was finally cancelled and meanwhile sent the tip I had intended. Sorry about the mix up. Thanks for another year of great videos.
I’ve been on first class on the train Edinburgh to Newcastle it’s really not bad
I'm a tram and I approve this video! :)
Another great video.Totally agree with you about the scenery north of Berwick , I always liked to have a meal on the mainline service from and to KX when travelling to Edinburgh along this section of the line. What could be better ?🍽🥃
Great video !!
Thanks, Dylan! What beautiful Scottish landscapes, it is beautiful Scotland. But have you moved? I thought you lived in Scotland.
I really am jealous about your trains and stations compared to our shit here in US. But that blue train looks like a subway consists not a train.
Do you support Huddersfield Town?
Which I had a pound every time, I have been up and down the Concourse at Huddersfield Station. Go watch the Terriers when they are at home, never ever seen, Felix and Bolt though through years of trying.
We generally go to Edinburgh every March, never caught the train at Dewsbury, usually get on at Leeds.
Everything past the station frontage in Huddersfield seems grim. I shuddered at the state of that underpass.
Dylan, can you help me understand the difference between the terms 'saloon' and 'carriage'? Also, you have convinced me to explore your hometown on my next UK visit.
I had no idea this service existed, how does it compare to LNER?
Once agian, congratulations, Dylan. Very inerestin.
Wish Transpennine would reinstate the Edinburgh to Liverpool services. But instead there Increasing the Edinburgh to Newcastle part only with 1 of these type rumoured to be getting added to the Scotland - Manchester route inbetween the 397,s
Great upload, people must think Huddersfield is really nice when they arrive and see the station when in reality its a cesspit with the most miserable people ive ever come across (i was born and raised in Huddersfield so I'm allowed to say🤣) glad i moved to Rotherham. The Huddersfield to Sheffield train is nice for the scenery once you get through Lockwood and the local kids aren't lobbing bricks through the windows 🤣
what is the differences between 800 801 802 and 803
What speedometer app do you use?
Wow
The train journey looked good, especially with so many empty seats to choose from and at that price but for me, "customer service" is paramount and with the absence of an on-train announcement to explain the reason for the delay North of Berwick is unacceptable. I've never experienced that on a scheduled flight where customers are always kept updated on delays so I don't see why trains should be any different.
it's very blue
Good vid. But for Scots, the Royal Border Bridge is the border, whatever the de facto situation is…
Interesting video!
The Huddersfield station is very impressive but I’m surprised that it seems small inside. I was expecting a huge hall to match the classic facade but it seems you immediately go directly to the platforms. I wonder if it was always like that. I would think that a Victorian station would have had an impressive passenger ticketing and waiting area.
I agree that the blue colour of the trains is great (the only other colour that I think is impressive on trains is red, such as the Italian ones).
Huddersfield is due a pretty substantial rebuild in the near future as part of the upgrade of this route to high speed running and electrification. As far as Im aware though the passeneger facilities are very similar to when the station opened and wont change a huge amount after the upgrade in terms of size (aside from a potential northern entrance linked to a redevelopment of the goods yards on that side of the station).
Hey ups from a fellow local, I had no idea you could catch a direct train up to Edinburgh, learn something everyday!
It’s a very limited service to Edinburgh though and I think it’s coming to a stop soon
@@s125ish Well with Lumo now calling at Morpeth & Edinburgh no point triplicating the service,
Seats are not suitable for more than 1 hr. Suspension on these trains only works on continuous welded track. Once we're back on older infrastructure they bounce like baby bunnies. At least you don't notice the uncomfortable seats for a few moments.
I really wish National Rail would refer to Edinburgh Waverley station by what everyone calls it: Edinburgh Waverley. (Rather than just "Edinburgh".)
They’re better than the ones from Middlesbrough. They’re even cutting the coaches from 6 to 3 again over here.
I never knew you were from Huddersfield
I LIVE IN MORPETH!!!!!!!!
I really like the lner trains and the Hull trains. You should do more videos on hull trains Dylan. What is the difference between nova 3 to nova 1
Nova 3 and Nova 1 are totally different but basically the Nova 3 is an Diesel only loco hauled train (loco by Stadtler, and carriages by CAF). Nova 1 is a Hitachi electric multiple unit.
Great review 😊👍🏽 Yes do check out Newcastle station and city centre, its excellent, especially this time of year 😃👍🏽
AND LADYS AND GENTAL MAN WE HAVE FOUND ANTHOER GOOD IET out of 2. I think maybe just maybe first group iet could be ok. too bad the TransPennine Express trains are usally 10 late, hope the the goverment steping in will hepl the matter, also they should get 9 car sets because those 5 car sets are gunner get crowded fast.
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Why can't the UK go up their lines' speed limit to the trains' maximum speed? Why can't the trains go up to 140 mph?
Video's score: 7.2
Signalling, pretty much, which keeps the max at 125mph
There are a number of issues. There is a national upper speed of 125mph. This has been agreed due to drivers concern about (colour light and semaphore) signal slighting. The infrastructure places various limitations of speed for reasons of ride quality, wear and tear, safety and cost. Frequently also the mix of fast, stopping and freight trains mean that the quick train would just catch up with a shower one and sit behind restrictive signals
Unless both trains and track use in-cab signalling, there is an absolute maximum speed limit of 125mph, because at higher speeds than that drivers don't get long enough sight of each signal, especially if it may be showing a flashing aspect, and so there is a higher risk of them misreading the signal aspect. (This is quite generous - in the USA, I believe in-cab signalling is required at 80mph).
Apart from that, there can be a range of reasons. The most common three are:
1️⃣ Signalling. The signal spacing will be designed for a particular linespeed to ensure that trains can stop from the first sight of a yellow signal before passing a red. Sometimes there can be split speed limits, where certain classes of train (with better brakes!) can go faster than others.
2️⃣ Curvature. A lot of lines have curves on and a safe/comfortable speed to take the curves may limit the speed that trains can go at. This is a particular issue on the TransPennine route between Manchester and Leeds!
3️⃣ Permanent way. If the trackbed is not made to the highest standard then it might not be able to sustain trains travelling at higher speeds. If there are structures such as platform edges or tunnels that are close to the line (especially on curves) then a lower speed may be needed to ensure that the train isn't rocking too much and in danger of hitting them.
@@stevieinselby All drivel if you go back to the 1970's and 1980's where trains regularly exceeded 125mph right up to 140mph on occasions. The issues are due to unions complaining. Two drivers used to be in the can when speeds exceeded 110mph. They used to be professionals. Today, anyone has to be able to do it and so standards are lowered accordingly (just like universities and so on). The fact is, drivers used to be able to drive. They used to understand their business.
The reason limiters were introduced in 1992 was European monopoly rules after lobbying in Brussels. This meant German companies would benefit from a market which imposed regulation locking out British ideas that were already being tested (flashing green was a great idea and not at all problem to be seen as the excuses stated). Without flashing green, you had the option of a green with a sash across it (used now anyway but not for this). It was not beyond the wit of man. Once you regulate innovation away, you get a slower, less able railway. Further, people used to be able to dress themselves too in the 1970's, 80's and 90's. Uniforms were for train drivers and on-baord staff. Ties were done up and no tattoos showing with half done ties and lousy presentation more generally. It was also the case that that was no need for a crew change every 5 minutes. All examples of the UK losing standards.
@@richardwills-woodward5340 I like the fact that you call my factual points "drivel" but then come out with a load of unsubstantiated nonsense about how things were better in the old days when drivers didn't have to obey any rules, with a side order of xenophobia for good luck.
fun fact: the unpowerfull diesel engines can only reach about 110mph.
While many people seem to dislike the class 802s because of the comfort, I believe they are great stock. They have been allowed to give an intercity service across the pennies boosting capacity and enabling further use of the transpennine route.
Excellent review!
you might like them 90 percent of us do not, if you like to be squesed in thats ok, its a pity you missed out on the 6pul units and 4cor units, they were comfortable and did not have do gooder anoucements
@@petersmith4455 Pretty harsh take on these. The old stock on this route wasn't bad comfort-wise but came nowhere close to meeting demand. These are better suited to the route when compared to the older stock and will be significantly better for the environment as they can run on both diesel and overhead wires.
Thanks 😁
The 802s are a bit naff same as lner ones for longer distance but for short distance there ok
They're good trains but their build quality can be questioned as well as their interior. The seats are my main criticism. Surely there are seat designs out there that save weight but are still comfortable? Maybe use the same seats as the GWR/Scotrail HSTs?
"Very poor window alignment" - a good turn of phrase for total indifference by rolling stock designers. Other than that, Trans-Pennine tend to be my favourite franchise and I will often take them out of choice over Avanti.
As a fellow-Yorkshireman I was heartened to hear you refer to Leeds City station by its traditional name!
Another good film Dylan, I think the commentary is better than sub-titles.
Poet Laureate Sir John Betjeman described Huddersfield Station as “the most splendid in England”. There may well be several other stations that would challenge that claim but the fact is that for a traditional industrial northern town like Huddersfield, the station is indeed a splendid one.
Were you an estate agent in a previous life?
Hi Dylan, just popped on to wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New year
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you too.
I love York. If you get a chance to visit the railway museum, allow yourself a few hours. It's worth it.
I hate it when people complain about these trains, I really don’t get it why these are so hated. Lighting is fine, leg room is good and seats are comfy, what’s not to like? These trains are perfect intercity Units.
"In good working order", while you're waving your hand around frantically trying to trigger the sensor
I was fortune to do that journey from Leeds to Edinburgh on a TPE Nova 1 just prior to the first lockdown for £2 each way!! I got the tickets in the TPE ticket sale. Also, at Morpeth they switch back to diesel for the remainder of the journey as there is insufficient power to meet the demand for trains running on electricity.
You’re so lucky to have the best train service, ever. Here in the States, it’s miserable. Love your videos!
I agree. I'm green with envy.
Definitely agree at 11:03 the livery of their trains really does look so much better than the old livery. I always have that whenever I see their trains in person.
Sorry I missed this on Monday. The holiday threw me off & I forgot. Yes, your home-based train station is a beautiful structure. It's nice to visualize where you depart from. Your current train is sleek & modern. Peeking in at first class doesn't seem to have seats any thicker than what you had. Everything does seem to be quite clean & well kept. For the price & distance it was a goodly price. Hoping they get the food service back on board. Merry Xmas & a happy, healthy New Year. Happy traveling.
Felix & Bolt !!! 😍😍👍👍👍😆Those trains all looked very nice !!! And this train ! Those blue chairs are looking good 👍 The padding looked a bit too thin ,though !! But,you said very comfortable despite some bad reputation ! Do they reclin ? It looked o.k.for a 3hr trip !! Very clean ,too !! Does it have a cafe ? I just wondered . It seems like every train stations in England has Costa coffee !!? Lol. Very convenient !! What a huge platform in York !!! I'd love to go to Whitby someday !! I am planning to visit Devon ! Your videos are always very nice & interesting !! Your vlogs make me feel like travelling all over the world by train !!! That must be a fantastic thing to do !!! 😍💜🥁🐉🎤🎶🎄🎁🚈💕💞
What are the chances this pops up in my recommended when I took this exact journey with my partner a few weeks ago to see family. The train itself was over 20 minutes late which isn’t uncommon and as this is the last train to get to leeds from Huddersfield before 9 it was rammed with commuters for the first 20 minutes, although after this it was quite a peaceful journey. It’s a shame its the only direct service but neither transpennine or cross country seem like they’ll be putting another service on any time soon.
Hitachi trains are awful, GWR, LNER are admittedly the only 2 companies I have been in but after about 40 minutes you are in some discomfort because the seats are genuinely awful.
@15:14 Wowzer .. you really need to visitt the city and the station at Newcastle .. and BTW we have a great football team too (at last !)
Regards from Whitley Bay (10 miles east of NCL)
😊Yeah I'm Japanese...I've been to this VTR stations in last month!
I remember about beautiful British landscapes, so fast HST by class 800 with British peoples kindness.
I would like to back again to the UK one day...
Great to see the Huddersfield Station again. We have followed Felix for some time and when we were visiting Manchester (from New Zealand) in 2017 we were pleased to see her in person when we visited Huddersfield. I have heard you mention Her Royal Floofyness before in your Reports.
Newcastle station is impressive and the city is lovely! You are missing out and need to visit! Great video as always Dylan. 👍🏻
That seemed like a good, smooth ride. And quite picturesque. That'll go on my to-do list iff I ever make it to the UK.
Respect from the Colonies.🇦🇺
Nice review of what I would call "just another class 80x" - although TPE are calling it the Nova 1, from what I saw it looks just the same as another Class 80x...
YES I live really close to huddersfield. In birstall in fact
Train delayed - tried to get compensation - sent all the relevant evidence (very time-consuming and a purposely ridiculous maze to negotiate) then the clowns there sent a mail saying claim denied as the delay was under 15 minutes when it was CLEARLY from all the evidence OVER 15 minutes. Won't be travelling with this lot ever again.
I mean why cant every fast train operator in the uk have the javelins there more comfy and have footrests and they even have a personal reading light.why they only add 800,801 and 802 trains just why?? Javelins are 10 times better
My family and I where told to bored at the 1st class carriage and sit in the wheelchair section (on nova 1 it’s the only place for wheelchairs) it was late and meant we didn’t have to take our baby out of her pram
Lovely video as ever, but extremely difficult to watch because it stopped about every few minutes for a non existent ad break that meant a blank screen and buffering for 10 seconds. The usual advertising played.
so, Dylan's a Yorkshireman!!! who would have thought that! Eyup!
Do you have a higher tier for your patreon? I can't imagine all of this is cheap.......that said if I can give you more than the £4/$5 I'd happily sign up.
You should do the York to Harrogate to Leeds line - awful jointed track, semaphore signals and parts of it are single lined.
Ah well at least we get Class 170s and some of the scenery is stunning !!
Travelling to see the national rail museum with my brother and based off some deductions I made Im guessing its one of these trains I will be taking (personally wish it was the 185s but ah well)
Transpenne express be like: hey GWR can I buy some of your class 800s GWR says: ok take it it will be 8m dollars
I originally came from Huddersfield it’s an impressive station 🚉
The underground passage to the far platform. The concrete/ stone pieces appear to be the worse for wear. Tripping hazard??
Strange. I put in 0828 to Edinburgh and there’s no direct train says change at Newcastle.
I'd say the seats are firm but rather ergonomically friendly
Are there any videos where Dylan doesn't tell us how tall he is?😁
Lol, Im the conductor on this train between York and Newcastle!
I hate how no one considered comfort when it came to designing the seats on the class 80X family of trains.
Awesome 👍👍👍 bro