Geile Maschinen nur ich persönlich würde den Transmissionsantrieb bevorzugen mit Voll-&Leerscheibentrieb ... spart enorm viel Kraft und macht auch noch richtig Spaß zum basteln... zudem nahezu endlos erweiterbar auf weitere Maschinen...
Nice saw, not often I see a slot morticer on a table saw, we always get them on planers. A Matthias Wandel recomendation sent me over and I can see why he likes it so much.
Actually the neutral isn't used in a wye (star) configuration either, as long as you've got something symmetrical like a motor or three identical heaters. You can connext it to the centre but it won't do anything, so usually you don't. Where you do need it is something like a heater with three settings where you can turn on either one, two or all three elements at a time to adjust the total heat output/power consumption (always assuming a star configuration, if the elements are rated for 400 V and connected in a delta you don't have a neutral). Or a central European cooker/hob where the 230 V elements are connected to the three phases of the supply, giving you up to 11 kW on just 16 amps and 2.5 mm2 wire. Y/D start is a very simple and rugged way of keeping the startup surge of large-ish motors within reasonable limits without resorting to modern-day power electronics. Even earlier setups used slip-ring motors with series resistors in the armature circuit, I've worked on a setup like that from the early 1920s, actually a fairly small motor, less than 2 kW. It's a giant chunk of cast iron though, probably easily twice the size of a modern motor!
Amazing machine! I really hope you can make another video in the future of the full capabilities of the machine, like height adjustment, angular adjustment, i woukd like to see what knobs and levers control what, it looks very interesting!
Excellent Matthias, BTW the electrical diagram at the very end, in the UK is called "Star Delta" for obvious reasons. This is the first I've watched, looking forward to the others :)
i came across your videos today and binge watched bunch of them, your machines are beautiful, i hope you are not planing to move to another location ever :)
gorgeous saw i am restoring a old milling machine on my channel right now had to make 2 new hand wheels that were both smashed just finishing up the last machine work on them now.
Beautiful piece of old engineering and workmanship! Thanks for showing us the build. May I ask what the end of the shaft with the hold downs do and if you could demonstrate? I'm guessing it is either a shaper or horizontal boring??
a real saw for sure. I can't say i have seen a tilt top saw that tilts both ways. who was/is the Maker? I looked and ask around and it looks like a Adolf Aldinger.
Tolles Video! Ich werde mir bald vielleicht dieselbe Säge kaufen. Kannst du mir vielleicht sagen was der Grundkörper bei Minute 1:00 und die Tischplatte ungefähr wiegt ? LG Philipp
Gute video. Sehr informierend. Danke. Auf (amerikanisches) Englisch wird so eine Säge "table saw" genannt. "Circular saw" wird für eine handgehaltene Maschine genutzt. Excellent English, either way. My compliments. Greetings from Alaska.
Wonder if there were instructions on how to put it together. I seems putting it together is simpler than attempting to assemble a 14 inch rykon table saw.
Nice saw!! Love you videos and how you explain things, nice job. I have a number of vintage machines myself, all made in the US. Are you familiar with the Vintage Machinery website?
Hallo handelt es sich hierbei um eine Bäuerle Kreissäge? haben sie vlt Dokumentation zu dieser Maschine? ich suche hierfür die Masse des Schiebeanschlags mfg JP
Ahm, ich seh ihn händisch von Stern auf Dreieck umschalten, bei ca. 5:00. Automatisch hieße mit Schützen, da drückt man zum Einschalten nur auf einen Taster.
Das sieht mir mal ganz stark nach einer Rex aus! Seit ein paar Wochen habe ich auch so ein Schätzchen und ich will sie demnächst ein bisschen aufarbeiten. An meiner fehlen ein paar Teile für die Langloch-Einrichtung. Könntest du mir eventuell da mal ein paar Bilder schicken? Viele Grüße Ralf
I was terrified to watch you push that test piece through the saw! I think you are asking for a kickback that would really hurt. Even if you don't use an anti-kickback device (I don't use one on my table saw), you should at least use TWO push sticks or push blocks to make sure the wood does not shift out of line while passing through the saw.
Nein, das wäre nur bei reiner Stern- oder Dreieckschaltung so. Hier ging es um die Verbindung zwischen Stern-Dreieckumschalter und Motor. Da kann man viele Fehler machen ( etwa 7!/(3!*3!)=140 glaube ich).
There are some things that you told about the electric that is wrong. You say that the star configuration are for 230 volts, and the delta is 400 volts, and that the delta are stronger. The star connection are 400 volts and the delta are for 230. Either way the windings get 230 volts each, and the strength of the motor are the same. The switch changing from star to delta are an option in the lower of the voltages, and used as a soft starter. In star configuration you can connect the neutral line as shown, but there are no need for it. When showing the first start attempt, we saw a lot of smoke, but no blown fuses. The fuses should not have been too big to blow within a second or two in that setting.
Actually it's a matter of the wording. He gave the voltage across each winding on a 230/400 V supply, and that's perfectly correct. You're talking about how to connect a motor to different supplies.
It seems like he has 230 volts. 220 are american standard along with 440. In most of europe the standards are 230 and 400 volts. And to scare a lot of americans: We use 230 volts also for hand tools and lamp bulbs.
@@magnepolden3344 Actually US domestic supplies are 120/240 V centre-tapped single-phase. Industrial supplies are often 277/480 V three-phase and of course there's the truly special "wild leg delta", with a transformer that has one winding with a centre-tap, which is connected to earth, giving you both 120 and 240 V single-phase and 240 V three-phase. Get the wrong wire and you release the magic smoke from any 120 V load. European countries standardised on 230/400 V three phase with either one or all three phases connected for domestic supplies long ago. There are some leftovers from the past, 133/230 V supplies and, especially in sparsely populated rural areas of the British Isles, 230/460 V centre-tapped single-phase supplies.
Gareth Dirlam Quite understandable... I already had my decision made to buy a new felder saw, when this dinosaur of a saw was offered to me for much less money, so I couldn't resist.
Yes and no. The windings are probably rated for 380/660 V (nowadays 400/690 V). That means the saw can be connected to the 230/400 V supply as it is. If the windings were rated for 220/380 V you could only connect it to our supply in a Y configuration. If you had a 133/230 V supply, like in some parts of Belgium or Norway, you'd connect it in a D configuration. As far as the voltages across the windings at a given supply voltage are concerned, he's absolutely right!
Yup, the "magic smoke" needs to be tightly sealed inside the machine or it fails! Looks like you managed to keep enough smoke in to keep the saw going :-D
Dear Mr Burger, I am seeing ( with horror and dismay ) that your circular saw is not fitted with the proper riving knife ! I hope that you will remedy this VERY soon ! Otherwise I want to congratulate you on all these magnificent old machines and on the way you have given them a new life. Bravo!
That's easy. I was told old band saws weigh anywhere between two and three times as much. My brother really wants one but it'd have to go down some steep and tight stairs so he isn't going to buy one. I know there was an old joinery in Vienna where they demolished the house over the machines in the basement because no one could be arsed to get them out before!
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Geile Maschinen nur ich persönlich würde den Transmissionsantrieb bevorzugen mit Voll-&Leerscheibentrieb ... spart enorm viel Kraft und macht auch noch richtig Spaß zum basteln... zudem nahezu endlos erweiterbar auf weitere Maschinen...
Lovely! A nice long miter slot and an arbor that can take multiple sawblades at once! Love these old well made machines!
it is sure nice to see old big machines come back to life, they don't mak'm like that anymore
Nice saw, not often I see a slot morticer on a table saw, we always get them on planers. A Matthias Wandel recomendation sent me over and I can see why he likes it so much.
Immerhin. Die Maschine hat schon Sechskantmuttern. NB: Klasse Musik!!!
Thank you for the movie! I learnt a lot from the extra piece at the end.
Actually the neutral isn't used in a wye (star) configuration either, as long as you've got something symmetrical like a motor or three identical heaters. You can connext it to the centre but it won't do anything, so usually you don't. Where you do need it is something like a heater with three settings where you can turn on either one, two or all three elements at a time to adjust the total heat output/power consumption (always assuming a star configuration, if the elements are rated for 400 V and connected in a delta you don't have a neutral). Or a central European cooker/hob where the 230 V elements are connected to the three phases of the supply, giving you up to 11 kW on just 16 amps and 2.5 mm2 wire.
Y/D start is a very simple and rugged way of keeping the startup surge of large-ish motors within reasonable limits without resorting to modern-day power electronics. Even earlier setups used slip-ring motors with series resistors in the armature circuit, I've worked on a setup like that from the early 1920s, actually a fairly small motor, less than 2 kW. It's a giant chunk of cast iron though, probably easily twice the size of a modern motor!
What a beatyful piece of machinery. And thanks for the Info on the Star triangle principel.
Your story of the older tools talking smack about the new table saw was cute and funny
what a fantastically informative and pleasurable video! instant subscription!
Amazing machine! I really hope you can make another video in the future of the full capabilities of the machine, like height adjustment, angular adjustment, i woukd like to see what knobs and levers control what, it looks very interesting!
Excellent Matthias, BTW the electrical diagram at the very end, in the UK is called "Star Delta" for obvious reasons.
This is the first I've watched, looking forward to the others :)
I love this machine.
Elegant explanation of 3-phase powered motor operation.
Who is the maker on this saw!??? Cool piece!!!!
Buying something old like that is tough especially when you're so close to where they build Martin saws. I must admit though, that looks amazing.
i came across your videos today and binge watched bunch of them, your machines are beautiful, i hope you are not planing to move to another location ever :)
For the last part it's called a delta to Y transformation of a 3-phase system if anyone wanted to google it.
Thanks Matt I Enjoy Your video and Your Humor
gorgeous saw i am restoring a old milling machine on my channel right now had to make 2 new hand wheels that were both smashed just finishing up the last machine work on them now.
was sad to see the smoke coming out of the motor. WOW. I would of been sick. What a neat saw.
Just the wiring box.
What a great table saw!!!!
Beautiful piece of old engineering and workmanship! Thanks for showing us the build. May I ask what the end of the shaft with the hold downs do and if you could demonstrate? I'm guessing it is either a shaper or horizontal boring??
It's for horizontal boring. Haven't used it yet.
old machines last forever:-)
a real saw for sure. I can't say i have seen a tilt top saw that tilts both ways. who was/is the Maker? I looked and ask around and it looks like a Adolf Aldinger.
Tolles Video!
Ich werde mir bald vielleicht dieselbe Säge kaufen. Kannst du mir vielleicht sagen was der Grundkörper bei Minute 1:00 und die Tischplatte ungefähr wiegt ?
LG Philipp
+Philipp Konter Der Maschinenfuß dürfte etwa 150kg wiegen, die Platte etwa 80kg. Ist aber nur geschätzt
Danke für die Info!
Gute video. Sehr informierend. Danke.
Auf (amerikanisches) Englisch wird so eine Säge "table saw" genannt. "Circular saw" wird für eine handgehaltene Maschine genutzt.
Excellent English, either way. My compliments. Greetings from Alaska.
I like your videos, your pretty handy it seems.
Now that's a table saw!
man that's a good looking saw
This saw scares me to death.
What about the Danckaert moulder ?
Wow. You could put a monster illegal (in Europe) dado stack in that machine! :)
I presume that also explains why there are two (2x) "on" positions on the power switch (A -> B), correct?
Yup, it's 0 - Y - ∆
Hey what's the background music you are using? I really like the feel of those.
Wonder if there were instructions on how to put it together. I seems putting it together is simpler than attempting to assemble a 14 inch rykon table saw.
carino tresvinos No instructions. But I had taken it apart only few months earlier, so I could remember.
how much did u pa for it]]
Ist das eine Kreissäge mit kombinierter Langloch-Bohrmaschine?
+Tom Beerens Ja.
Nice saw!! Love you videos and how you explain things, nice job. I have a number of vintage machines myself, all made in the US. Are you familiar with the Vintage Machinery website?
Thank you. Yes, I know of this website.
Hallo
handelt es sich hierbei um eine Bäuerle Kreissäge? haben sie vlt Dokumentation zu dieser Maschine? ich suche hierfür die Masse des Schiebeanschlags
mfg
JP
desweitere wie funktionniert die Verstellung des Tisches?
Ich konnte an einer Stelle "Aldinger" lesen.
does the blade tilt / lower?
+jon Q The table can be tilted and raised.
Matthias Burger that's odd... it has to be uncomfortable making a cut with the table at an angle... how does the stock not slide all over the place?
That was the old style. A bit scary IMO. I think the work slides against the fence.
Da gibts ja bei alten Maschinen auch manuelle Stern-Dreieick-Umschalter, schön, wenn sies selber tut.
Ahm, ich seh ihn händisch von Stern auf Dreieck umschalten, bei ca. 5:00. Automatisch hieße mit Schützen, da drückt man zum Einschalten nur auf einen Taster.
@@Ragnar8504 Ja du hast völlig recht, das hochfahren geht sehr schnell, aber er schaltet zweimal. Das wirds wohl sein.
Das sieht mir mal ganz stark nach einer Rex aus! Seit ein paar Wochen habe ich auch so ein Schätzchen und ich will sie demnächst ein bisschen aufarbeiten. An meiner fehlen ein paar Teile für die Langloch-Einrichtung. Könntest du mir eventuell da mal ein paar Bilder schicken?
Viele Grüße Ralf
the music??????!!!!! Who was that?
Shazam says : Kelli's Number - The U.S. Army Blues (late, I know)
gab's für die säge auch einen spaltkeil
Das hab ich mir auch gedacht... oder war der noch nicht erfunden? *fg*
I was terrified to watch you push that test piece through the saw! I think you are asking for a kickback that would really hurt. Even if you don't use an anti-kickback device (I don't use one on my table saw), you should at least use TWO push sticks or push blocks to make sure the wood does not shift out of line while passing through the saw.
Nice circular saw! They don't make them like that anymore.👍
Anything is better than a Felder, thats not a fair comparison ! You could use those trunnions on an anti aircraft gun. Its Solid, thats for sure.
Ich habe auch so ein Schätzchen, traue mich aber nicht so recht ans in Betrieb nehmen. Das Video gefällt mir!
und was war jetzt der fehler beim verkabeln? hätte die nicht einfach rückwärts laufen müssen, anstatt anzufangen zu rauchen?
Nein, das wäre nur bei reiner Stern- oder Dreieckschaltung so. Hier ging es um die Verbindung zwischen Stern-Dreieckumschalter und Motor. Da kann man viele Fehler machen ( etwa 7!/(3!*3!)=140 glaube ich).
There are some things that you told about the electric that is wrong. You say that the star configuration are for 230 volts, and the delta is 400 volts, and that the delta are stronger. The star connection are 400 volts and the delta are for 230. Either way the windings get 230 volts each, and the strength of the motor are the same. The switch changing from star to delta are an option in the lower of the voltages, and used as a soft starter. In star configuration you can connect the neutral line as shown, but there are no need for it. When showing the first start attempt, we saw a lot of smoke, but no blown fuses. The fuses should not have been too big to blow within a second or two in that setting.
Actually it's a matter of the wording. He gave the voltage across each winding on a 230/400 V supply, and that's perfectly correct. You're talking about how to connect a motor to different supplies.
Wheres your riving knife
+Mathias Hoyt At around 3min10s...lol...what's it to you ?!
Hats off to Nikola Tesla for the Induction motor! Obviously you have three phase current.. 220 0r 460?
It seems like he has 230 volts. 220 are american standard along with 440. In most of europe the standards are 230 and 400 volts. And to scare a lot of americans: We use 230 volts also for hand tools and lamp bulbs.
@@magnepolden3344 Actually US domestic supplies are 120/240 V centre-tapped single-phase. Industrial supplies are often 277/480 V three-phase and of course there's the truly special "wild leg delta", with a transformer that has one winding with a centre-tap, which is connected to earth, giving you both 120 and 240 V single-phase and 240 V three-phase. Get the wrong wire and you release the magic smoke from any 120 V load.
European countries standardised on 230/400 V three phase with either one or all three phases connected for domestic supplies long ago. There are some leftovers from the past, 133/230 V supplies and, especially in sparsely populated rural areas of the British Isles, 230/460 V centre-tapped single-phase supplies.
Spaltkeil nachrüsten wäre ggf. hilfreich....
Hooray, now everyone is happy. But personally, I am shopping for a shiny little show-off. ;-)
Gareth Dirlam Quite understandable... I already had my decision made to buy a new felder saw, when this dinosaur of a saw was offered to me for much less money, so I couldn't resist.
I love this saw, plus the other wonderful tools, especially the band-saw, it is great that you have the skills and interest in renovating them.
You are a little mistaken. Star connect for 400v, and a triangle for 230v.
Yes and no. The windings are probably rated for 380/660 V (nowadays 400/690 V). That means the saw can be connected to the 230/400 V supply as it is. If the windings were rated for 220/380 V you could only connect it to our supply in a Y configuration. If you had a 133/230 V supply, like in some parts of Belgium or Norway, you'd connect it in a D configuration.
As far as the voltages across the windings at a given supply voltage are concerned, he's absolutely right!
@@Ragnar8504 if only 660\380...
I was really a bit worried when it fails the "smoke test" XD
Yup, the "magic smoke" needs to be tightly sealed inside the machine or it fails! Looks like you managed to keep enough smoke in to keep the saw going :-D
Wird Zeit für ein Abstellgleis! :)
and your appendix is interesting and useful!
+Benjamin Stephens Ja, das wäre praktisch. Mit Weiche. Hab aber keinen Platz mehr.
@@xsbxsbxsb Appendix? You should see his liver. Fascinating!
This has to have more than 300 kg, I have an old Rapid pk saw which has 300kg. This saw has an armor :D
Dear Mr Burger, I am seeing ( with horror and dismay ) that your circular saw is not fitted with the proper riving knife ! I hope that you will remedy this VERY soon ! Otherwise I want to congratulate you on all these magnificent old machines and on the way you have given them a new life. Bravo!
Installed shortly after making the video. Just forgot it.
More Video's Please
Over 600lbs!?!?
That's easy. I was told old band saws weigh anywhere between two and three times as much. My brother really wants one but it'd have to go down some steep and tight stairs so he isn't going to buy one. I know there was an old joinery in Vienna where they demolished the house over the machines in the basement because no one could be arsed to get them out before!
Coole Sau!
wenn ich es so sagen darf :)
I LOVE BIG BAND MUSIC BUT, THIS TIME IT TAKES AWAY FROM THE VIDEO.
Legst me am asch katrina