I'm honestly not that surprised with the amount of comments that are talking about priority still. We see this on a daily basis on our roads where people think because they have priority, and because it should be down to other people to do things correctly they continue into risk. In case you missed it, this was the theme of the video of what not to do. If you still just think about priority you need to go and give your head a wobble!
100%. Anyone who’s watched your channel for longer than a second should know this as the only person you can rely on on the road is YOU! People let their ego surpass safety too often unfortunately.
Totally agreed. Also, one of the main themes and principles of this whole channel is not simply to determine / discuss who might be assessed at fault from a legal / insurance perspective but what each party (including the "innocent" party from a legal / insurance perspective) could have done differently to avoid the incident in the first place. Defensive driving, right?
That first clip. Seriously, trying to slot in between two HGV's that themselves are too close to each other is truly asking for trouble. Car driver should have just eased back in the slip road and slotted in behind the second HGV. I will say, the second HGV driver would have done better to be cruising with a greater seperation distance to the one in front. Bunching up close together does indeed make it more difficult for others to merge onto the motorway as they now have to pretty much consider both HGV'S as one very long HGV for merging purposes, though unfortunately the car in this clip tried to "split the difference".
Sometimes it's just not worth it trying to get in front, i hope the car driver learned something that day instead of just blaming it 100% on the HGV which is one thing that's wrong with this world of motoring. People who point blame instead of thinking how they too could have made it a none event.
I can't for the life of me understand why he didn't just continue down the hard shoulder? Ok he made a mistake, yes he should have slotted in behind the HGV but he didn't, we can all make mistakes. But at that point when he realised he cocked up why just blindly turn into the lorry when he had a clear and unobstructed hard shoulder to continue down? Even in panic, if faced with the two options of a clear road ahead or turning into a HGV it's a no brainer!
I never try to fit between two larger vehicles and would much rather slow down and even stop (yes, there are slip roads where I stop) near the start or at a suitable place (never the end) so I can build speed at a suitable time to join in. Why risk not being seen or meeting a stubborn driver?
The scary thing this compliation shows (alongside many other on both this channel and others) is how many drivers come off a slip road and blindly zoom across two or three lanes on a motorway to get to the outside lanes - it never sems to occur to them to establish yourself on the mototorway before moving. I see this myself quite regularly and am always wary for this happening - sometimes it is blindingly obvious that someone is going to do that by the manner of their driving but not always so it pays to observe closley.
At around 3:08 this is a very common and easily recognized hazard whereby merging traffic on your left is eager to carry on lane changing to their right to get past slower traffic and get up to their desired cruising speed asap. Often in their eagerness, they don't carry out full all round observation,. In particular their right hand blind spot. This situation shows the importance of the merger carrying out an over the right shoulder blind spot check as well as breaking down each lane change as a seperate and distinct manouvre rather than one blended in "swoop across". And if you are in the position of the cammer, either hold back or have an escape route to your right. A brief sound of the horn wouldn't hurt either, despite other's bad reaction to it..
There are times in which you can do a full multi lane lane change with ease, however this should only be done if you are certain there's no traffic behind.
@@jakescustoms That's true actually as long as (just as you wrote) full observation is carried out. I now remember Reg Local mentioning this and stressing the importance of full observation with this manouvre, including that all important blind spot check. Unfortunately too many drivers carry out a "blind swoop across" relying only on their mirrors.
@@ibs5080 Yep, one of the many mistakes made by drivers when changing lanes across multiple lanes in one swoop, I haven't been driving for long as I'm still a fairly novice driver, however when I've made lane chnages like these I always check my mirrors and blind spot to make sure there's no immediate traffic behind me; in fact I had to perform a multi lane lane change yesterday while driving in the Puerto Rican metro area in order to get to a left turn only lane.
Thanks to your videos I have changed my style of driving and many times during my driving I say the words "let the traffic flow" and it works, I now help everyone get to where they are going to.
At around 5:00 those brake lights in the distance should have been setting off alarm bells. Not so much for someone veering across lanes but more “why are they slowing?” I hope that diversion along the wrong road was enough for a lesson learned
6:00 It's a strange thing really. People do not expect others to pass them on the left. Especially in circumstances where they are looking to do just that themselves.
@@markswarbrick999 When a bus lane comes to an end drivers never have a problem remembering to check to their left to move into lane 1. When it was illegal to undertake over 50 years ago many drivers never had a left side view mirror so they assumed nobody would come up on their left. That was what a blind spot was. Saying undertaking is classed as careless, Ashley is a half century behind the times.
@@MrJohnny3shoes - in some jurisdictions overtaking on the inside lane is permitted and not considered dangerous in and of itself. What is dangerous is the actions of the driver in lane 2 who neither indicates nor mirror checks. In the 1970's before left hand mirrors were a thing shoulder checks became automatic and the habit ingrained.
@@nuntius1933 and some or most drivers in UK still believe that the law that used to prohibits overtaking on left (undertaking) still exists. So as they think the one who doesn't check their mirrors and just moving into the left lane is the innocent one. Ashley has quoted nearly every Rule in the Highway Code yet has never approached and explained what the wording to the Code means.
The lorry driver does have my sympathy. It would have been so easy for that car to just slot in behind. Easier than having to slow down a lorry and build up speed again. Sure, it's courteous to make space to allow people to merge but it shouldn't be an expectation. It's the difference between solving your own problem or expecting someone else to do it for you.
Modern trucks are so heavily speed limited that this is more of an issue than it used to be. As are people who floor it on a slipway, and expect the traffic to part like Moses at the Red Sea crossing.
What's wrong with simply slipping in behind the lorry then overtaking. Less risk and you get to your destination quicker. Instead of rushing to get to you destination
What was compounding the problem was the space between the trucks that was clearly too small, not for the Audi to slot in but to cope with any emergency that the Stobart truck had. This is more of an issue with trucks as the Stobart truck could be unladened and could have stopped quickly, which the following truck with a full 38T mass to stop could not match. It was bad driving on the blue/white truck drivers part.
@@clivewilliams3661 Wrong. It's standard practice for trucks to "ride" the slipstream of the truck in front. The progressive cruise control would have determined the best distance. Any car driver who decides to commit suicide by lorry by forcing ihs way into such a tight gap deserves his wish to be granted. He should have merged behind the second lorry and overtaken or, worst case scenario, stayed on the hard shoulder and pulled in front of the first lorry at a safe distance of course. But hey, Audi drivers.
The clip at 5:00 is terrifying, I was definitely pumping my brakes mentally as the driver starting catching and passing all of the vehicles around him. If everyone around you is slowing down, you should too!
Thats just scary the way the driver reacted. I bet they never brake for anything. It would have been quite easy to slot in behind but instead they opted to risk being impaled by some barriers.
My golden rule is always get out of a lorry's blind spot on the left no matter the situation, if that mean backing off and pulling in behind them, so be it.
As a lorry driver I thank people for that, I don't like people hovering there as I then have to keep an eye on them until they move ahead or fall behind.
I've only been driving a month and I've decided to remove my P plates. My reason? The second people see P plates they tailgate, dont let you out of junctions and generally try to bully you off the road here in London. Since taking them off, I've only had a couple of people hang off my rear bumper whilst I'm doing the speed limit. I like these videos, I find them helpful and educational.
I wish there was a way of preventing people commenting until they had carefully watched at least half a dozen of Ashley's videos and got the hang of his philosophy of sensible DE-ESCALATION. It's genuinely changed the way I drive for the better. I don't care what mistakes other drivers make. I see it as my job to de-escalate the situation by how I react to it myself. I don't take priority for granted or think that somehow one square metre of jointly owned road actually belongs more to me than anyone else. The object is to get me and my passengers from A to B safely not to prove I'm right.
Can't help feeling it would be a good idea to look at the hazard perception part of the driving test. It's one thing to perceive a hazard but the question is how do you react to it. Maybe we should have candidates in a simulator and judge them on how they actually adjust to a hazard.
Always aiming to go around in front of someone who pulls out in front of you is a classic error. It's often better to slow down and aim for where they are now and will not be by the time you get there, not aim for somewhere you're both heading toward. Wouldn't have worked in this case because of the immediate unpredictable subsequent turn but as a general default it's much better to aim to go around behind rather than in front of an improperly emerging vehicle.
The driver is 99% from east Europe (Slovakia - can tell by the song playing). Not to cast stereotypes, as I’m from that part of the Europe as well, but it is unfortunately quite common to drive like that there. Notice how he doesn’t respect the lines, does not decrease speed, doesn’t have any visibility for the overtake even if the lorry didn’t turn right.
That clip at 1:53 is a sight that is all too often seen at night as drivers assume the roads are empty so they can continue same speed ahead. Yes, the wagon pulling out shouldn’t have but in their mind they are turning right so aren’t inconveniencing anyone
What a cheek to imply 3:59 is inexperienced on the motorway. There’s a limit to how much you can allow for idiot drivers or how wreckless to expect them to be. There’s no excuse to cross 3 lanes or (or even two like the video before) in one manoeuvre or very quick succession, when joining from a slip road. That van driver deserves a ban.
When I was a very new drive I changed lanes once without properly checking over my shoulder and very nearly hit another car. I have never done that since in the 20+ years I've been driving. I started watching your videos a few weeks ago and have gone through quite a lot of them, and although I consider myself to be a safe, careful and patient driver, I have definitely recognised I've had a "I have priority" mentality up until then. Whenever I go out in the car now I'm definitely trying to anticipate more what the cars around me are likely to do and adjusting my speed and position to compensate.
Hey Ash! Wanted to share that I did my first bit of driving in the busy metropolitan area of Puerto Rico yesterday, a truly rather exciting and interesting experience. The driving climate is definitely more aggressive and thus I was reminded of the "Driving in New York" videos where you explained that you have to be a little more aggressive yourself in order to ensure best flow (as long as it's safe); I also encountered a driver that got mad at me for turning a "begging" signal on while we were stopped at a light because I needed to make the turn after the lights and the previous traffic conditions hadn't allowed me to lane change earlier. An interesting experience alltoghether and one in which I truly excercised the most of what I've learned from your channel. Ps. I may have drove a little faster than the speedlimit while on the 65 mph highways 😂 (albeit with due care and attention and not driving into risk).
Totally disagree with the first Clip, Audi was the only one being stubborn. He just pushed in when he didn't even clear the lorry yet and spun himself out. I drive the Autobahn a lot and I've been in the same situation multiple times. He should've held back and get in behind the lorry or use the shoulder to get past. What he did was absolutely idiotic and the crash is entirely on him.
I think the camera car was too - if I see a car (especially a black Audi cliche! 😆) joining from a slip road I would predict the truck might be forced to move over. I'd slow just a touch until it was clear - the car following the camera car certainly ought to have been able to predict something might happen!
I agree. The Audi didn't have the gap so he needs to allow the truck to pass and drop in behind or wait till there's a gap. Seeing it more and more where people think they can just push in to gaps from a slip road that aren't they unless the traffic already on the priority road brake to let them in. I thought the slip road is the ones to give way till it's safe to move over, even if you have to slow right down.
@@FFVoyager yep. Always look out for bad things happening in front of you. That was an accident waiting to happen from the off. I would have backed right off. In case it went all over the road.
More good lessons. Two sayings I treasure. Harking back to old three lane main roads.. Durham Constabulary used to say 'Never be the meat in the Sandwich' applies to three lanes on Mways today. and My old dad use to mutter "If you have time to press the horn button you have time to press the brake. pedal!" So true.
Excellent theme going on there. While it wouldn't change the need for vigilance, nor would it actually stop it happening immediately, it really should be illegal to make more than one lane change at a time unless it's in an emergency (driving an 'aspirational' car does not constitute an emergency). Multiple lane changes confuse other drivers, rely on diminishing observations and cannot be effectively signalled - unless the number of sequential segments of Audi indicators is the number of lanes they intend to cross without looking. Of course, we know multiple lane changes are stupid, would never do it, and we're on guard against others doing it.
4:06 white van driver. Correct me if I am wrong. Are you not meant to change one lane at a time. There was no attempt to stay in the middle lane, turn off indicator and put the indicator back on to suggest he/she was moving to the 3rd lane.
Checked the HWC (Rule 267) for this and it doesn't say that specifically. There's little evidence that the van driver did any of the following though: check your mirrors take time to judge the speeds correctly make sure that the lane you will be joining is sufficiently clear ahead and behind take a quick sideways glance into the blind spot area to verify the position of a vehicle that may have disappeared from your view in the mirror remember that traffic may be coming up behind you very quickly. Check all your mirrors carefully. Look out for motorcyclists. When it is safe to do so, signal in plenty of time, then move out So.even if the HWC does not require one lane change at a time, that was still bad driving. The question this video poses, however, is could the cammer have anticipated this beeline for lane 3 before a dangerous situation developed? I'd say yes, the way that van emerges from the slip and the lorry overtaking in lane 2 ahead definitely should have rung alarm bells.
Your channel is brilliant, allowing many to learn from each incident. Priority works where all vehicles are autonomous but humans are prone to mistakes. We see them when we drive and on dashcam videos too, we know they happen so we can adapt our driving to suit. Thanks!!!
A lot of these situations are from people ploughing through slower moving traffic without making any adjustments to their speed, which gives them very little time to react. Ploughing on and hoping for the best doesn't always work, and you give the other vehicles less time to see you also.
At 4:00+, the van driver’s indicator is flashing fast, suggesting a bulb has blown. It’s a [fallible] marker that the driver cares less about his road craft than he should. Even if the fault has just have begun, others around him might not expect his movement: keep clear.
I'm actually trying to figure that out, seems like they were sticking to their lane with traffic all around them and the car joining tried to change lanes towards them when it wasn't safe to do so. Not to say a little anticipation that this 'could' happen wouldn't help but I think it's harsh to critisice the new driver here.
Either kept their speed up and finished the overtake, or fallen back to give more room rather than remaining alongside a merging vehicle. Anticipate the errors of others so they don't involve you. The mistake is assuming other people aren't making mistakes.
@@Monkeh616 I think the driver did exactly the right thing, he held back when he saw the bus merging ahead which may have prompted the van to pull into lane 2. There should be no blame attributed to him/her for not anticipating the reckless driving of the car who merges and immediately moves to the 2nd lane without checking their blind spot.
@@Monkeh616 yes blame. I think Ashley's commentary suggests that the novice is also responsible for a fault. This might be a good learning opportunity for you too, as it seems you aren't familiar with the definition of the word. 😉
Ashley re at 3:46: "Try not to lane change when you're next to someone". Excellent advice, though sometimes its very awkward to abide by that. As an example: 1. I'm on a motorway with three lanes in my direction 2. I'm in Lane 3 and overtaking slower traffic in Lane 2. 3. Once I'm past the slower traffic in Lane 2, I should really be moving back to Lane 2 4. However if I were to change back to Lane 2 at what would otherwise be the "ideal" time, I might on occasion be doing so right alongside another vehicle in Lane 1...or indeed slightly behind it in it's blind spot. 5. Am i therefore doing the right thing by delaying my return to Lane 2 until I'm no longer in it's blind spot / no longer alongside it, even if it's delayed past what would otherwise be the normal time to mive left? This is even more of a challenge if you have a tailgater behind you in Lane 3. In the case of the above scenario whereby there is a long line of vehicles in Lane 1, I try to time my return to Lane 2 staggered in between vehicles in Lane 1. I also look for clues that any of the Lane 1 folks might change to Lane 2 at the same time I am considering a move to the same lane.
I agree with your logic, I do the same thing. It’s sometime tough to not instantly go back into L2 from L3 especially when someone is up your backside clearly pressuring you to let them through at 90.. but you’re within your right to delay your lane change until both L2 and L1 are clear.
The safest thing to do is to wait until you've cleared the car in lane 1. However, if he isn't actively catching anyone and you can see up ahead that there would be no reason for him to move over to you, you can opt to slowly merge back into lane 2. I would only do this if nobody is right behind you though. As you could get sandwiched between them and the car in lane 1 coming into lane 2
You're over thinking it. If the car in lane 1 has being travelling along happily they won't pull over into lane 2 unless they are catching someone up to pass. If you can see they might need to pass someone in lane 1. Simply stay in lane 3 a bit longer then once you see the car in lane 2 move back to lane 1 you simply move back to lane 2 then lane 1 making sure it's safe. That's it, don't over complicate the procedure
@@wrightwoodwork that’s literally what we’ve both said. I wouldn’t expect a car in L1 to lane change if it was completely clear up ahead but they might lane change for an overtake early. You just don’t know, so best not to risk it.
@@Evolixe some people lane change for no apparent reason, or lane change early for an overtake. If you’re two lanes apart your speed relative to them should be reasonably high, so it wouldn’t take long to get past them.
I always assume that anyone joining the motorway will cross all the way into the fast lane without looking, I keep well out of their way, has saved me a whole bunch of trouble many a time.
correct your behaviour. keep an eye on them, but don't actively stay out of their way. you suddenly adjusting your speed to match joining traffic has a bigger chance of catching people behind you out and causing extra danger
Even when I'm walk😂ing, I look to my left/right to make sure it's clear and that I'm not going to walk into anyone. Or, i stop walking if someone/something is blocking my path - I don't plow forward. I apply this mentality to my driving, as I want to keep clear of danger
Does anyone else have the 'what Ashley say' thought when you've had a near miss because of a bad decision of yours or someone else's? I watch these vids to inform myself of what I'm doing wrong and how to do better, I leave the idiot's to themselves and carry on with my own day.
As I always start by saying I can no longer drive since developing epilepsy. But my first time on a motorway was after passing my test but with my driving instructor in his duel control car. I was so glad that that was how I did it.
people forgot that the dashed line on a slip road means give way, theres many times when I have cruise on at 70mph in lane 1 and people expect to be let out doing 55mph when lane 2 is occupied.
the lorry in first clip couldnt move over into lane 2 even if it was clear as that section of M11 has a HGV ban in lane 2. Also, the Audi was fully in the blind spot long before it had its nose out at front as it was joining, it was not in a straight line to the nearside of the trailer such as in parrellel lanes.
An HGV ban on a lane isn't a couldn't, that's just a mustn't. On matters of safety that doesn't apply. Just because the law says you can't drive on the shoulder doesn't mean you can't use it for emergiency purposes either. Same concept. No copper is going to give you a hard time for switching into banned lanes to let other traffic in, as long as you go back as soon as safely able. And if they do because they really have a stick up their ass, file a complaint. 1000% it gets overturned.
@Sreve Campbell there isn't an hgv restriction on this section. The incident is at J12 North bound. The hgv lane restriction is for a 2 mile stretch finishing about a mile and a half south of J9 for the A11. Could all have easily been avoided. The cammer COULD have slowed to leave space for the hgv and let them know as much. Instead they see the problem.and keep going, effectively giving the hgv a choice as to which car to hit. The hgv WOULD then have had a safe space to take evasive action assuming they'd even seen the Audi. It wasn't on the slip road as they approached, it accelerated into the blind spot from behind. If they hadn't glanced at the mirror for the short period it was in view they wouldn't have even known it was there. The Audi SHOULD have gone straight into the perfectly safe and appropriate space behind the hgv and everyone could have got on with their day. Unfortunately some people CAN'T help being a dick. Classic case of COULD'A, WOULD'A, SHOULD'A saving the day. 🤦♂️
The clip at around 4:00 is pretty much the same situation as the night time clip directly before it and illustrates just how common this situation is. Traffic merging onto a motorway and in their eagerness to immediately overtake others asap, not checking their blind spot.
“To avoid a collision” is always a defence (or at least a mitigation) for using road space you’re not normally permitted to use. As the driver in the outer lane, I think I would have given him obvious room to play. Even off the truck driver doesn’t use it deliberately, the spinning Audi might!
These two I was unsure about what the cammer could do. Be cautious and ready, yes, but they're not doing anything stupid as far as I can see, especially the second one where the van merges into lane 3 🙄
@@R0ssMM at 4:00, the cammer can see the available road drop from 3 lanes to one (because of traffic ahead) with joining traffic in multiple lanes. It’s a higher risk situation. The risk-reduction approach depends on the circumstances, but closing the options in this case reduced the opportunity to avoid conflict. The cammer could have matched the speed of the existing vehicle in lane 2, leaving space, until traffic had stabilised.
In the incident at the 2:00 min mark, not only should the driver have slowed down, he should have thought about what the consequences of passing a lorry that is already flashing RIGHT might be. In the case of the undertake at about 5:40 the driver in the outside lane with whom he almost came into contact had foreign registration plates. In any language they say "Keep clear, I may have forgotten which side of the road I should be on". Or something similar.
The clip from 5:40 is from Ireland, so everyone has white plates, but also drives on the left. As an Irish driver, I could see the slow Yaris in the wrong lane (typically, it's an elderly local driver in these cars, not used to multi-lane roads and roundabouts), and I would have waited a few seconds more until everyone decided what to do about it - Yaris to wake up and move left or, as happened, the Dacia driver to get impatient - the cammer only avoided contact through sheer luck.
Since watching your videos I've changed the way I see things but my partner and daughter still drive in that old mind set of "if I'm in the right they should give way etc " I'm doing my best to change them
We tow a caravan regularly and when approaching a slip road on the motorway I make a decision whether to slowdown and create a space or keep at the current speed. It amazes me how many drivers don't pay attention and don't see me slow down only for them to slow down even more to a dangerous slow speed.
The clip around 5:52 whereby the cam car does a good job of sounding their horn but then does a bad undertake. This illustrates a general point I'm often aware of. Namely, that just because you see another driver do something well, brilliantly even, be open minded enough that they may later do something not so good. I've often observed drivers whom I considerered "good" via their actions up to a point, only for them to "blot their copybook" a little later by some bad action or manouvre.
The driver of the second clip is just plain daft. They see the hazard developing far far ahead of them, so they keep speed on. Excessive speed for the conditions at that, and then proceed to still keep the power on as they are closing in on the lorry. Then they beep, like the lorry has done something wrong? Am I missing something here?
We are all missing the view from the driver of the truck. We first see the scene ahead at a point where he is already in motion, so we are not seeing everything. We have not been given any reason to think the truck driver did anything wrong.
First clip was car drivers fault. The lorry driver would not of seen the car emerging into his path and probably expected the car to slot in behind hence not lifting. The car being undertaken at the end , didn’t signal his intention to change lanes!!! Over signalling is by far the best option in a majority of cases . Good old school driver instructors preached it 54 yrs ago and when I see the numerous drivers swopping lanes at roundabouts and dual carriageways nothing will convince me otherwise. Thanks for sharing .
I don't get why the lorry driver in that first clip is considered to be stubborn. I think the driver could be criticised for driving far too close to the lorry in front however, he/she doesn't seem to have been deliberately closing the gap. Just when the lorry driver saw the Audi it's difficult to say. In any event, it was extraordinarily stupid of the Audi driver to aim for that very small gap between the two lorries. I'm somewhat surprised the accident that happened wasn't a great deal worse given cars tangling with HGVs at speed rarely ends well. On that second clip, the cammer was driving in a ridiculously dangerous manner. Yes, it's a bit annoying when a lorry pulls out like that, but it's no more than that as there was plenty of time to slow down. However, overtaking over hashed lines where there are a couple of junctions? It was full 8 seconds from where the lorry could be seen emerging to the actual junction. At 49 mph that's 190 yards, or almost the length of two football pitches. Overtaking over hashed lines where there are two side junctions is just silly. It turned what was a minor inconvenience into a potential accident.
I think one thing that is common. Is as a general rule of thumb if everyone around you has their brake lights on, but you don’t know why, it’s probably because you physically can’t see why. It’s blocked behind another car. Slow down, even if it initially looks like you path is clear. Especially important at 4:56
In the last clip, because I was watching your video on my TV, I noticed the Dacia Duster which cut up your viewer had a Polish?!? number plate on the back so it's possible the driver was so used to driving on the right he was most most likely trying to correct his mistake (too late). I'm not using that as a defense, but it could have been a contributing factor.
Irish. If you look at the road signs you'll see that the clip is from Ireland. A quick look at the Wikipedia article on Irish number plates indicates that the 'WH' is for Westmeath.
The first stage of slowing down, is to ''come off the gas!''. Done soon enough, that is often [in my experience!] all that is necessary to comfortably cope with the actions of others. The 'give way' rule is very much a subjective one. At what point, exactly, has one '' failed to give way?'' Does one ''give way'' when one can see an approaching road user, half a mile away? Simply because they can 'be seen?'' There is always the likelihood [especially if driving a large or relatively slow vehicle...a tractor perhaps?]...that anybody on the major route will have to slow down at some point, behind one's vehicle. Has one 'failed to give way' if the other party only actually catches up a few hundred yards down the road? Some would think so. Even, I suspect, Ashley Neal! As someone who used to be in the same industry as Ashley Neal, I always had the problem of trying to indicate to a student when they need to 'give way', and when it might be unnecessary. [LGVs especially, which was my primary interest]. I would suggest that one needs to 'give way' if one is going to make another road user slow down, stop, or change direction.....dramatically!'' Also, just because a road user appears to have priority over others, doesn't absolve them from already taking action, just in case. Suddenly coming across a side road where a tractor and trailer are already emerging, slowly, as they do [for an example]...? What about the triangular warning signs of a side road ahead, for example? If one cannot actually see that side road, then the question is, can anybody sat at that 'give way' line actually see you? If not, are they expected to ''give way'' to a vehicle which cannot be physically seen from that junction? [Due to permanent physical obstructions, for example?] Road users are expected to exercise ''care & attention'' as well as ''consideration for others'' when out on the roads.....Ignoring a triangular warning sign is a common fault...Yet folk still drive around at an excessive speed, if they think they have a ''priority' over others.....and it is the responsibility of 'others' to keep out of their way. Yet too many times, drivers/riders are vilified for 'failing to give way' when in reality, the situation has been exacerbated by the driver on the main route not responding to the previous, lawful, warning signs. Had they done so, in all likelihood a 'failure to give way '' would not have entered into the equation! Speeds negotiating roundabouts is a prime example. The faster one travels, the less ''time' others have to respond to one's presence. Hence why I suggest adding the word 'dramatically' to the ''give way'' definition....If a driver or rider has to do nothing more than ease off and slot in behind, where is there a failure to ''give way?'' Of course, that cannot happen of one is intent on hoofing it along the road, regardless. Too much emphasis is given to what others do, and not enough emphasis one 'why'' drivers fail to cope with unfolding events. After all, if one can cope comfortably with the errors of others, why is there a need to swear, sound the horn [after the fact, is road rage.....]....of sit there flashing the lights?? In the first clip, having made an error, the Audi{?} driver would have been better off trying to slot in as close as possible too the lead truck, before sorting out what to do next. [Since easing off & slotting in behind the 2nd truck wasn't the option chosen]...In other words, having made a cock-up, how can one best mitigate a bad situation?
If i was the cammer in the first clip I would have stayed behind the truck till after the slip road so that the truck could move to the right if he wanted to (regardless of legality). As these clips demonstrate, it is often unsafe to overtake at, or near, any kind of road junction.
I was thinking exactly that! Had the cammer stayed back the lorry could have at least had the option to move over. P.s: lorries are perfectly allowed to use both lanes on 2 lane motoways and dual carriageways. They are also allowed to use the outermost lane on motorways in limited circumstances (such as emergencies and for avoiding a collision such as here) 👍
As a HGV driver, that first clip is all to common, you can see the truck braking to allow the audi to merge, hence why i dont think he is being stubborn, but he appears to slow down to match the trucks speed and he sits in the trucks blindspot, i see it all the time, when you take you foot off the throttle as to give the driver room to merge and they just sit there matching your speed. why do they find merging so difficult. we should also remember it is the merging vehicles responsibility to merge without forcing someone to brake or swerve, yes, move or give room if safe to do so.
What I don't get is how can you drive so close behind the lorry. Especially if you're driving another lorry. You can't see anything in front of you, there's next to none distance for emergency breaking and you're going 60mph with confidence. And it is a professional heavy vehicle driver. Just... why?
Re the intro clip - I'm not sure the trucker was "stubborn" - he was clearly drafting behind the truck in front of him... can be tricky to slow those down, then speed back up. I agree the truck driver saw the audi, but had the audi gone for the hard shoulder, the trucker has braked just enough to give the audi space to get into lane 1
being in a blind spot is one of the situations you should definitely use your horn in, haven’t seen anyone in these clips using their horn to warn people (like a short tap not blast obviously)
The CycleGaz clip I've been in that exact situation several times. Literally on my bike on that same bit of road (Euston Road, London approaching Great Portland Street Station) a black cab peeling to the left with no regard for anything else.
When I'm changing lanes or merging onto a road I always turn to look over my shoulder as well as using my mirrors but most people only seem to use their mirrors.
I was in Birmingham a couple of days ago. I'd just turned off Colemore Row onto Newhall Street and the as I was about to make a left turn onto Edmund Street a deliveroo bike rider had stopped right on the corner so I slowed down a little as I could see they hadn't seen me but just as I was half way in front of them they looked up and started riding. Considering the size of my vehicle (which was quite large) I just couldn't believe that they rode off down the road I was turning off without me fully stopping to allow them to pass. Considering he was completely stationary, I'd expected them to look back and at least know I was going to be in front of them when they were ready to set off. On Broad Street they are always cutting in and treating the road as if there aren't any rules. I've seen them ride through red lights that pedestrians were crossing at and nearly caused a collision. And they will ride on the wrong side of the road and expect you to stop so that they can take the road on your left. A tactic I've only ever done on mobile games and would NEVER do unless directed to by road signs or Police even then I would be using caution and stopping my vehicle first to work out other possible ways out of the situation.
Entry onto motorways and dual carriageways are fraught with this sort of driving. Vehicles coming on and lurching across the lanes to get past traffic, instead of joining and getting a feel for the speed and weight of traffic. It only takes a minute or two.
The lorry driver had the option to at least try to increase the gap. They didn't so that was a contributing factor in the collision. Blind spot mirrors would have enabled him to clearly see the Audi.
i used to have a mere, and the cruise control would apply the brake lights to slow me down to maintain speed. So brake lights can illuminate without driver pressing brake on some cars
It's actually so easy to have a pleasant and SAFE drive everyday. I don't know why some people would endanger themselves and others.Everyone keep safe, your loved ones are waiting for you ❤
Clip 2 - 1:52 - whilst it was a poor emerge from the red lorry, it wasn’t as bad as it first looks. They have pulled out and moved straight into the protected right turn lane, presumably in anticipation of their manoeuvre to turn right. The left lane is still free and so the red lorry probably thought they weren’t inconveniencing anyone. If the camera lorry wasn’t being so impatient and trying to make a point, they could have just kept going in the left lane and everything would have been fine. Instead, the “I need to make a point” mentality put everyone at risk.
The cam lorry in the second clip was definitely at fault, yes the first lorry shouldn't have pulled out but what was a minor mistake was turned into a near disaster because of the cam lorry. It was obvious that the first lorry was going to turn right but the cam lorry made absolutely no attempt to avoid the accident until the last second. And before hgv drivers start saying "well you don't know what it's like to drive an hgv" I am a former hgv driver. He didn't need to come to a complete stop he just had to slow down.
3:59 That van does 3 things at the same time: Pulling out of the onramp; skipping a lane to get on the right of the van; and overtaking the white car that was doing the same speed on the onramp in front of him. In fact, all 3 vehicles that came from the onramp overtook each other simultaneously: The white car overtook the black one, and the van overtook both of them. You can expect to be in a blind spot, (or to not be seen by someone doing reasonable maneuvers, like at 5:35) but you can't anticipate the actions of absolute maniacs. 4:35 I would have been more paranoid in that situation. I try to avoid riding next to a car in any hairy situation. And that lane merging is a situation where I would be worried that I might not be able to discern a car just shifting over to the left because they are following that lane merge versus a car shifting over because they are doing a lane change. I wouldn't call that "kept himself safe". He did the exact same thing that you criticized other drivers for: Not slowing down (3m/h in 5 seconds, he didn't even stop pedaling) and reprimanding the other vehicle.
2:20 It's pretty obvious they didn't reduce their speed as their plan was to overtake, and be a lorry themselves keeping the speed up was critical to that plan. Obviously ended up being a bad call, but i have some sympathy, I'm not a HGV driver but I can imagine it must be very frustrating to lose all your speed and momentum because of one selfish driver.
As a driver assessor, all too often I saw people driving up to a risk, and doing nothing about it, until, they found themselves with too much speed, and too little space to correct it.
2:23 there was room to slow down, so it was brave/stupid to swing out to overtake before assessing the whole situation. DOUBLY brave/stupid to overtake opposite a side turning!
2:10 cam car should be ashamed of this. Whether the lorry driver was also in the wrong is irrelevant... look at all that distance we had to hold back and figure out what was going on.
This is a good education. Clip 1. Jesus Christ. Who needs to be reminded that the dashed line means GIVE WAY to oncoming traffic. That means press the middle pedal and wait your turn if there is traffic coming. Especially 2 lorries close together. By the way for those who need reminding. It’s the one between the throttle and the clutch.
1:50 is a good tutorial video for hazard perception test possibly. This is just a hazard perception test in real life. You get 5 points for clicking at 1:53, 4 at 1:54, 3 at 1:55, 2 at 1:57, 1 at 1:58 and the rest is what'll happen if you don't click the button
In American road schools and the learner's permit written test, there is extensive material about dealing with large vehicles. Visibility is very different with these vehicles, and if they are operating reasonably, they are very predictable for other road users. Everyone likes to consume goods transported by these vehicles, but some of them do not show them the requisite respect, and end up like our guy in the Audi. Both may be in the wrong, but the driver af the Audi had far greater opportunities to cooperate with the flow of traffic, or even could have driven on the shoulder as an alternative to the crash.
I always give plenty of room for HGVs or buses even if I have priority.. Im always thinking in my head if I fight this bus or HGV with my tiny hatchback who’s going to win? 😅
I see many comments flaming the lorry driver in the first clip for not letting the Audi in but I'd like to just say 2 things in his defence. Firstly, at the start of the clip when we see where the Audi appears on the slip road they're behind or at the very least level with the back of the trailer of the lorry, judging by the angle that probably puts them out of the FOV of the main mirror of the lorry and if they're visible in the wide angle mirror they're probably very small and in the very corner (because of it's convex shape objects shrink very rapidly with distance). Then as he speeds up to undertake while keeping far left in the slip road he's definitely completely out of view of both mirrors so if the lorry driver didn't know before he has no chance to at that point. Then as Ash says when the Audi comes in to force merge the driver can't see down to the left Secondly, that's at very minimum a 6 metre gap, that model Audi A3 is just under 4.3m long, the Audi driver could've easily slipped in if they had the skill.
First clip. The HGV driver may not have been braking, might be the lorry has Adaptive Cruise Control and the lorry was doing the braking itself. My car has this and does the braking itself when it senses its gaining on a vehicle in front. The distance is adjustable. Just a thought.
It's difficult to judge due to the camera perspective in the middle of the car, but it looks to me like the driver at 5:25 is taking the racing line across the two lane roundabout?
This was a lot of food for thought. I think the reason people can get fired up is because they might be taking this as criticism rather than constructive criticism. I too have that awful irk at the thought of having to adjust my perfectly fine driving because other people cannot stay in a lane or check a mirror etc, but in practice I know it’s better and I am working on being a more patient driver.
If you're not adjusting for people's mistakes and driving in a way where you're anticipating those mistakes, is it really 'perfectly fine driving' anyway?
@@Kylirr I do adjust for people’s mistakes, but I can find myself getting annoyed by it after the fact. And that’s okay because I’m working on it. I suppose I just mean I can understand why people take this video in a bad way, but I think it’s more constructive than that.
Just possibly a tiny bit harsh with clip 2, the speed of the cammer clearly reduces much faster than the display updates, they'd pretty much stopped & it was still showing 35, did you account for how slowly that display updated?
Hello lorry driver here, in the first clip the car should of dropped in behind the artic as soon as the car went in front I can tell you that's straight in a blind spot the hgv driver would of seen the car then braked, then let off the brakes as the car would of disappeared, the government needs to air the advert more of the hgv blindspots.
It surprises me how many people don't slow down when they see a problem unfolding ahead. And even more surprising when people see a problem unfolding deliberately speed up and 'reprimand' those that are causing the problem. Just slow down and let things happen... I'd rather be far behind a crash than be in the middle of it! But it's also not my place to 'reprimand' other people's mistakes as I also make mistakes, no one is a perfect driver! The way I think is, I'd rather be a little bit late than not arrive at all!
I always look at the vehicles position in the lane, what sort of numberplate is on the vehicle, is it a foreign vehicle? I also look at the drivers actions. With the first clip, all HGVs are fitted with Automatic Emergency Braking Systems (AEBS) that will brake to avoid a collision, if it senses one, the same system is used for adaptive cruise control which could be why the white HGV showed brake lights.
It astounds me the amount of people that are so adverse to giving way, loosing that space, or so desperate to get ahead that they would rather have an accident. Being able to overtake and get in front doesn't make you a good driver! Not getting your self into stupid situations and being curious, able to anticipate and manage other people stupidity and mistakes as well as asking what can I improve on makes you a good driver.
It boggles my mind when drivers expect to carry on their merry way when things are looking iffy. Yes, they may not be at fault for the initial situation, but their actions often exacerbate the problem. I think it's just the stubborn mindset of, "it wasn't my mistake that caused this, so I shouldn't have to do anything". The number of people in these clips who maintained a dangerous speed when multiple cars or lorries were braking and the space was closing is utterly crazy. We are human, and humans make mistakes. I've seen even the most cautious and attentive drivers miss things and hold their hands up to an honest mistake, yet the first thought of many motorists isn't to help make things better, but to blare the horn after the fact and make sure everyone knows who the wally is. Some of the worst drivers I've been in car with have the blame mindset. Bruce Lee's "be like water" quote is a good mindset for driving -- be flexible. If something looks dangerous, reduce the risk by slowing down. If someone takes your space, it's generally better to fix the situation rather than compete for an arbitrary patch road etc.
I shouldn't be as shocked as I am about the people going on about priority. But wow. Bottom line is, if you are in a position to fix the mistake of others, just do it. Priority doesn't matter when someone ends up dead because you didn't want to bruise your fragile ego by slowing down.
"if you have the opportunity to avoid a crash, and you don't take it, you're at fault, regardless of who had priority." often expressed as "drive with due care"
What you see may only be a vignette of what is happening. In the second clip we see the lorry pull out as the car saw it happen, BUT, we do not see events as the lorry driver saw them. His vehicle was already in motion when we first saw it and likely was in motion before the car became visible to him. Once you have started a manoeuvre it can be hard, and maybe unsafe or unwise to stop. Car driver was impatient, should have waited for the lorry to complete its manoeuvre before attempting to pass. Note that the lorry’s indicator remained on throughout. Until the indicator switches off the manoeuvre is not complete. The car driver should not have passed because the lorry driver’s continuing indication was a signal that it was not safe to do so. And it always amazes me how quick some people are to use their horns. I rarely use mine because to shift your attention to the horn is to take your attention from the road.
00:28 2 stubborn road users. Did 2 drivers really crash their vehicles by being stubborn? 2:27 I do not think anyone would have expected the turning lorry to turn right again so I ask, what need was evident that there was a need to slow and not overtake? The horn was a warning. 3:32 and 4:12, what action does Ashley suggest the cammers should have taken. Both cammers had left space for traffic joining to move to lane 1 or 2. What would the traffic behind have made of either cammer braking? Even experienced drivers may have only braked when the saw the vehicles moving right but their experience would have had them perhaps taking evasive action that bit sooner.
@ashley_neal How do I submit clips? I have tried e-mail but file size limits are stopping me. I am using the Viofo A129 Pro Duo which produces large files.
3:13. Yes the novice driver made this awkward by maintaining the same speed as the van in lane 1, but blame is totally on the black car joining off of the slip road. The black car pulls out into lane fine no issue but they then continue out into lane 2 without any consideration for their blind spot. [personally I would have been looking to move out into lane 3 as soon as I saw the black car joining from the left], but if the 3rd lane is busy you are forced into maintaining your position in lane 2. What the camer could have done better is to speed up slightly to overtake the van so that he would be in front of the ‘coming together point’ and the black car could then pull out behind.
We need a change to the road rules. When entering a road you must select the closest lane and may only move across after a pause of several seconds in your lane, then signal, check for cars then move across one lane. Loss of licence for coming across multiple lanes. Many many crashes are caused by morons coming out into lane 2, or lane 3 without seeing traffic. 3:10 is an example. 2:00 is also an example if you think about it. 4:04 is another one. 6:08 "people just aren't expecting you to pass on the left". But this particular moron is actually passing on the left himself. How can you excuse that?
The first one honestly feels like justice. It wasnt the smartest thing from the lorry driver but that guy in the car got his comeuppance for driving like he owned the road and the massive truck would move out of his way, rather than him slowing down to slot in behind. It may not be for us to enforce the law but its so different from the angry reprimands that people give drivers who make poor decisions; that car driver knew exactly what he was doing and i bet the lorry driver did too, now the wise thing would obviously be to avoid conflict. On the other hand all of us want to see arrogant bullying drivers punished. That car being tossed around was beautiful.
in the first clip. should the cammer have slowed down to allow the lorry to move out to the right? could this be why the lorry was braking, so it could move out, but then couldn't?
As a truck driver myself it would be nice if the cammer did so. But I wouldn't expect them to do it. It does occasionally happen with observant drivers though.
Looks like the drivers of 2:30 and 4:50 are vans or trucks? They appear raised higher than a car. Then there is another van in this clip. What is it with van drivers? Vehicles of larger vehicles need to slow down due to their size. On the first clip, the Audi driver was silly to squeeze in between 2 trucks that close.
I'm honestly not that surprised with the amount of comments that are talking about priority still. We see this on a daily basis on our roads where people think because they have priority, and because it should be down to other people to do things correctly they continue into risk. In case you missed it, this was the theme of the video of what not to do. If you still just think about priority you need to go and give your head a wobble!
Your voice saying "priority is given not taken" is always at the back of my mind when I am in those situations
a slip road onto a motorway applies the same rules as a giveway your not supposed to enter the motorway if it isn't clear too do so
100%. Anyone who’s watched your channel for longer than a second should know this as the only person you can rely on on the road is YOU! People let their ego surpass safety too often unfortunately.
@@2009numanexactly. I doubt the hgvs even knew the car was there.
Totally agreed. Also, one of the main themes and principles of this whole channel is not simply to determine / discuss who might be assessed at fault from a legal / insurance perspective but what each party (including the "innocent" party from a legal / insurance perspective) could have done differently to avoid the incident in the first place. Defensive driving, right?
That first clip. Seriously, trying to slot in between two HGV's that themselves are too close to each other is truly asking for trouble. Car driver should have just eased back in the slip road and slotted in behind the second HGV. I will say, the second HGV driver would have done better to be cruising with a greater seperation distance to the one in front. Bunching up close together does indeed make it more difficult for others to merge onto the motorway as they now have to pretty much consider both HGV'S as one very long HGV for merging purposes, though unfortunately the car in this clip tried to "split the difference".
Sometimes it's just not worth it trying to get in front, i hope the car driver learned something that day instead of just blaming it 100% on the HGV which is one thing that's wrong with this world of motoring. People who point blame instead of thinking how they too could have made it a none event.
Ash said it right "They stupidly carry on to the right" . Audi driver had plenty options to avoid the accident and chose the worst one
I can't for the life of me understand why he didn't just continue down the hard shoulder? Ok he made a mistake, yes he should have slotted in behind the HGV but he didn't, we can all make mistakes. But at that point when he realised he cocked up why just blindly turn into the lorry when he had a clear and unobstructed hard shoulder to continue down? Even in panic, if faced with the two options of a clear road ahead or turning into a HGV it's a no brainer!
@@rufusgreenleaf2466 totally agree mate
I never try to fit between two larger vehicles and would much rather slow down and even stop (yes, there are slip roads where I stop) near the start or at a suitable place (never the end) so I can build speed at a suitable time to join in. Why risk not being seen or meeting a stubborn driver?
The scary thing this compliation shows (alongside many other on both this channel and others) is how many drivers come off a slip road and blindly zoom across two or three lanes on a motorway to get to the outside lanes - it never sems to occur to them to establish yourself on the mototorway before moving. I see this myself quite regularly and am always wary for this happening - sometimes it is blindingly obvious that someone is going to do that by the manner of their driving but not always so it pays to observe closley.
Exactly!
At around 3:08 this is a very common and easily recognized hazard whereby merging traffic on your left is eager to carry on lane changing to their right to get past slower traffic and get up to their desired cruising speed asap. Often in their eagerness, they don't carry out full all round observation,. In particular their right hand blind spot. This situation shows the importance of the merger carrying out an over the right shoulder blind spot check as well as breaking down each lane change as a seperate and distinct manouvre rather than one blended in "swoop across". And if you are in the position of the cammer, either hold back or have an escape route to your right. A brief sound of the horn wouldn't hurt either, despite other's bad reaction to it..
There are times in which you can do a full multi lane lane change with ease, however this should only be done if you are certain there's no traffic behind.
@@jakescustoms That's true actually as long as (just as you wrote) full observation is carried out. I now remember Reg Local mentioning this and stressing the importance of full observation with this manouvre, including that all important blind spot check. Unfortunately too many drivers carry out a "blind swoop across" relying only on their mirrors.
@@ibs5080 Yep, one of the many mistakes made by drivers when changing lanes across multiple lanes in one swoop, I haven't been driving for long as I'm still a fairly novice driver, however when I've made lane chnages like these I always check my mirrors and blind spot to make sure there's no immediate traffic behind me; in fact I had to perform a multi lane lane change yesterday while driving in the Puerto Rican metro area in order to get to a left turn only lane.
Thanks to your videos I have changed my style of driving and many times during my driving I say the words "let the traffic flow" and it works, I now help everyone get to where they are going to.
I can sometimes hear Ashley when I’m driving too. It’s very soothing 🤓
Wouldnt say its letting the traffic flow if you slowed down in lane 1 to suit the speed of a hogger that's moving slower in any of the outside lanes.
Thanks to the videos “Make it a non event” is the phrase I have started to use when driving
At around 5:00 those brake lights in the distance should have been setting off alarm bells. Not so much for someone veering across lanes but more “why are they slowing?”
I hope that diversion along the wrong road was enough for a lesson learned
6:00 It's a strange thing really. People do not expect others to pass them on the left. Especially in circumstances where they are looking to do just that themselves.
They should be used to it as the car is foreign so all over taking is done on the left in France
@@markswarbrick999 It's in the RoI, and all 3 cars in the right lane have RoI format plates.
@@markswarbrick999 When a bus lane comes to an end drivers never have a problem remembering to check to their left to move into lane 1.
When it was illegal to undertake over 50 years ago many drivers never had a left side view mirror so they assumed nobody would come up on their left. That was what a blind spot was.
Saying undertaking is classed as careless, Ashley is a half century behind the times.
@@MrJohnny3shoes - in some jurisdictions overtaking on the inside lane is permitted and not considered dangerous in and of itself. What is dangerous is the actions of the driver in lane 2 who neither indicates nor mirror checks. In the 1970's before left hand mirrors were a thing shoulder checks became automatic and the habit ingrained.
@@nuntius1933 and some or most drivers in UK still believe that the law that used to prohibits overtaking on left (undertaking) still exists. So as they think the one who doesn't check their mirrors and just moving into the left lane is the innocent one. Ashley has quoted nearly every Rule in the Highway Code yet has never approached and explained what the wording to the Code means.
The lorry driver does have my sympathy. It would have been so easy for that car to just slot in behind. Easier than having to slow down a lorry and build up speed again. Sure, it's courteous to make space to allow people to merge but it shouldn't be an expectation. It's the difference between solving your own problem or expecting someone else to do it for you.
Modern trucks are so heavily speed limited that this is more of an issue than it used to be. As are people who floor it on a slipway, and expect the traffic to part like Moses at the Red Sea crossing.
What's wrong with simply slipping in behind the lorry then overtaking. Less risk and you get to your destination quicker. Instead of rushing to get to you destination
What was compounding the problem was the space between the trucks that was clearly too small, not for the Audi to slot in but to cope with any emergency that the Stobart truck had. This is more of an issue with trucks as the Stobart truck could be unladened and could have stopped quickly, which the following truck with a full 38T mass to stop could not match. It was bad driving on the blue/white truck drivers part.
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Wrong. It's standard practice for trucks to "ride" the slipstream of the truck in front. The progressive cruise control would have determined the best distance. Any car driver who decides to commit suicide by lorry by forcing ihs way into such a tight gap deserves his wish to be granted. He should have merged behind the second lorry and overtaken or, worst case scenario, stayed on the hard shoulder and pulled in front of the first lorry at a safe distance of course. But hey, Audi drivers.
Compounded by the cammer lot leaving them a lane to move into
The clip at 5:00 is terrifying, I was definitely pumping my brakes mentally as the driver starting catching and passing all of the vehicles around him. If everyone around you is slowing down, you should too!
Thats just scary the way the driver reacted. I bet they never brake for anything. It would have been quite easy to slot in behind but instead they opted to risk being impaled by some barriers.
good place to say "if the other cars are stopping for no reason, there's probably a reason."
It was satisfying to see them get forced into the wrong lane and the wrong direction because of their arrogance.
My golden rule is always get out of a lorry's blind spot on the left no matter the situation, if that mean backing off and pulling in behind them, so be it.
As a lorry driver I thank people for that, I don't like people hovering there as I then have to keep an eye on them until they move ahead or fall behind.
I've only been driving a month and I've decided to remove my P plates. My reason? The second people see P plates they tailgate, dont let you out of junctions and generally try to bully you off the road here in London.
Since taking them off, I've only had a couple of people hang off my rear bumper whilst I'm doing the speed limit.
I like these videos, I find them helpful and educational.
I wish there was a way of preventing people commenting until they had carefully watched at least half a dozen of Ashley's videos and got the hang of his philosophy of sensible DE-ESCALATION.
It's genuinely changed the way I drive for the better. I don't care what mistakes other drivers make. I see it as my job to de-escalate the situation by how I react to it myself. I don't take priority for granted or think that somehow one square metre of jointly owned road actually belongs more to me than anyone else. The object is to get me and my passengers from A to B safely not to prove I'm right.
Can't help feeling it would be a good idea to look at the hazard perception part of the driving test. It's one thing to perceive a hazard but the question is how do you react to it. Maybe we should have candidates in a simulator and judge them on how they actually adjust to a hazard.
1:58 the irony of this one is that if the viewer had just lifted off the gas he'd have clear the lorry on the left as it pulled off the road.
Yep, classic impatience and urge to ‘prove a point’ rather than, you know, decreasing speed and risk.
Always aiming to go around in front of someone who pulls out in front of you is a classic error. It's often better to slow down and aim for where they are now and will not be by the time you get there, not aim for somewhere you're both heading toward. Wouldn't have worked in this case because of the immediate unpredictable subsequent turn but as a general default it's much better to aim to go around behind rather than in front of an improperly emerging vehicle.
The important thing in a situation like that is to slow down to give yourself time to assess what's happening, before deciding what action to take.
The driver is 99% from east Europe (Slovakia - can tell by the song playing). Not to cast stereotypes, as I’m from that part of the Europe as well, but it is unfortunately quite common to drive like that there. Notice how he doesn’t respect the lines, does not decrease speed, doesn’t have any visibility for the overtake even if the lorry didn’t turn right.
@@Yanchi_YT unfortunately I notice this too. Attitudes to driving are poor in the UK but worse in Eastern Europe. Mobile phone use is rife.
That clip at 1:53 is a sight that is all too often seen at night as drivers assume the roads are empty so they can continue same speed ahead. Yes, the wagon pulling out shouldn’t have but in their mind they are turning right so aren’t inconveniencing anyone
What a cheek to imply 3:59 is inexperienced on the motorway. There’s a limit to how much you can allow for idiot drivers or how wreckless to expect them to be. There’s no excuse to cross 3 lanes or (or even two like the video before) in one manoeuvre or very quick succession, when joining from a slip road. That van driver deserves a ban.
When I was a very new drive I changed lanes once without properly checking over my shoulder and very nearly hit another car. I have never done that since in the 20+ years I've been driving.
I started watching your videos a few weeks ago and have gone through quite a lot of them, and although I consider myself to be a safe, careful and patient driver, I have definitely recognised I've had a "I have priority" mentality up until then. Whenever I go out in the car now I'm definitely trying to anticipate more what the cars around me are likely to do and adjusting my speed and position to compensate.
Hey Ash! Wanted to share that I did my first bit of driving in the busy metropolitan area of Puerto Rico yesterday, a truly rather exciting and interesting experience. The driving climate is definitely more aggressive and thus I was reminded of the "Driving in New York" videos where you explained that you have to be a little more aggressive yourself in order to ensure best flow (as long as it's safe); I also encountered a driver that got mad at me for turning a "begging" signal on while we were stopped at a light because I needed to make the turn after the lights and the previous traffic conditions hadn't allowed me to lane change earlier. An interesting experience alltoghether and one in which I truly excercised the most of what I've learned from your channel.
Ps. I may have drove a little faster than the speedlimit while on the 65 mph highways 😂 (albeit with due care and attention and not driving into risk).
Totally disagree with the first Clip, Audi was the only one being stubborn. He just pushed in when he didn't even clear the lorry yet and spun himself out. I drive the Autobahn a lot and I've been in the same situation multiple times. He should've held back and get in behind the lorry or use the shoulder to get past. What he did was absolutely idiotic and the crash is entirely on him.
I think the camera car was too - if I see a car (especially a black Audi cliche! 😆) joining from a slip road I would predict the truck might be forced to move over. I'd slow just a touch until it was clear - the car following the camera car certainly ought to have been able to predict something might happen!
#blame
I agree. The Audi didn't have the gap so he needs to allow the truck to pass and drop in behind or wait till there's a gap. Seeing it more and more where people think they can just push in to gaps from a slip road that aren't they unless the traffic already on the priority road brake to let them in.
I thought the slip road is the ones to give way till it's safe to move over, even if you have to slow right down.
@@FFVoyager yep. Always look out for bad things happening in front of you. That was an accident waiting to happen from the off. I would have backed right off. In case it went all over the road.
The audi driver was a plonker.
More good lessons.
Two sayings I treasure.
Harking back to old three lane main roads.. Durham Constabulary used to say 'Never be the meat in the Sandwich' applies to three lanes on Mways today. and
My old dad use to mutter "If you have time to press the horn button you have time to press the brake. pedal!" So true.
"Sometimes you even need to check your shoulder", says Ashley, i thought a quick look was more or less mandatory on multiple lane situations.
Excellent theme going on there.
While it wouldn't change the need for vigilance, nor would it actually stop it happening immediately, it really should be illegal to make more than one lane change at a time unless it's in an emergency (driving an 'aspirational' car does not constitute an emergency). Multiple lane changes confuse other drivers, rely on diminishing observations and cannot be effectively signalled - unless the number of sequential segments of Audi indicators is the number of lanes they intend to cross without looking. Of course, we know multiple lane changes are stupid, would never do it, and we're on guard against others doing it.
Ah that's why Audi indicators look the way they do! All makes sense now.
4:06 white van driver. Correct me if I am wrong. Are you not meant to change one lane at a time. There was no attempt to stay in the middle lane, turn off indicator and put the indicator back on to suggest he/she was moving to the 3rd lane.
Checked the HWC (Rule 267) for this and it doesn't say that specifically. There's little evidence that the van driver did any of the following though:
check your mirrors
take time to judge the speeds correctly
make sure that the lane you will be joining is sufficiently clear ahead and behind
take a quick sideways glance into the blind spot area to verify the position of a vehicle that may have disappeared from your view in the mirror
remember that traffic may be coming up behind you very quickly. Check all your mirrors carefully. Look out for motorcyclists. When it is safe to do so, signal in plenty of time, then move out
So.even if the HWC does not require one lane change at a time, that was still bad driving. The question this video poses, however, is could the cammer have anticipated this beeline for lane 3 before a dangerous situation developed? I'd say yes, the way that van emerges from the slip and the lorry overtaking in lane 2 ahead definitely should have rung alarm bells.
Your channel is brilliant, allowing many to learn from each incident. Priority works where all vehicles are autonomous but humans are prone to mistakes. We see them when we drive and on dashcam videos too, we know they happen so we can adapt our driving to suit. Thanks!!!
A lot of these situations are from people ploughing through slower moving traffic without making any adjustments to their speed, which gives them very little time to react. Ploughing on and hoping for the best doesn't always work, and you give the other vehicles less time to see you also.
At 4:00+, the van driver’s indicator is flashing fast, suggesting a bulb has blown. It’s a [fallible] marker that the driver cares less about his road craft than he should. Even if the fault has just have begun, others around him might not expect his movement: keep clear.
that "hyperflash" can also be caused by changing out incandescent indicator bulbs for LEDs.
Ashley, can you explain what the novice driver should have done differently at 3:00?
I'm actually trying to figure that out, seems like they were sticking to their lane with traffic all around them and the car joining tried to change lanes towards them when it wasn't safe to do so. Not to say a little anticipation that this 'could' happen wouldn't help but I think it's harsh to critisice the new driver here.
Either kept their speed up and finished the overtake, or fallen back to give more room rather than remaining alongside a merging vehicle. Anticipate the errors of others so they don't involve you.
The mistake is assuming other people aren't making mistakes.
@@Monkeh616 I think the driver did exactly the right thing, he held back when he saw the bus merging ahead which may have prompted the van to pull into lane 2. There should be no blame attributed to him/her for not anticipating the reckless driving of the car who merges and immediately moves to the 2nd lane without checking their blind spot.
@@lebowskii98_9 Blame? It's a learning opportunity, not a punishment being handed out.
@@Monkeh616 yes blame. I think Ashley's commentary suggests that the novice is also responsible for a fault. This might be a good learning opportunity for you too, as it seems you aren't familiar with the definition of the word. 😉
Ashley re at 3:46: "Try not to lane change when you're next to someone". Excellent advice, though sometimes its very awkward to abide by that. As an example:
1. I'm on a motorway with three lanes in my direction
2. I'm in Lane 3 and overtaking slower traffic in Lane 2.
3. Once I'm past the slower traffic in Lane 2, I should really be moving back to Lane 2
4. However if I were to change back to Lane 2 at what would otherwise be the "ideal" time, I might on occasion be doing so right alongside another vehicle in Lane 1...or indeed slightly behind it in it's blind spot.
5. Am i therefore doing the right thing by delaying my return to Lane 2 until I'm no longer in it's blind spot / no longer alongside it, even if it's delayed past what would otherwise be the normal time to mive left? This is even more of a challenge if you have a tailgater behind you in Lane 3.
In the case of the above scenario whereby there is a long line of vehicles in Lane 1, I try to time my return to Lane 2 staggered in between vehicles in Lane 1. I also look for clues that any of the Lane 1 folks might change to Lane 2 at the same time I am considering a move to the same lane.
I agree with your logic, I do the same thing. It’s sometime tough to not instantly go back into L2 from L3 especially when someone is up your backside clearly pressuring you to let them through at 90.. but you’re within your right to delay your lane change until both L2 and L1 are clear.
The safest thing to do is to wait until you've cleared the car in lane 1. However, if he isn't actively catching anyone and you can see up ahead that there would be no reason for him to move over to you, you can opt to slowly merge back into lane 2. I would only do this if nobody is right behind you though. As you could get sandwiched between them and the car in lane 1 coming into lane 2
You're over thinking it. If the car in lane 1 has being travelling along happily they won't pull over into lane 2 unless they are catching someone up to pass. If you can see they might need to pass someone in lane 1. Simply stay in lane 3 a bit longer then once you see the car in lane 2 move back to lane 1 you simply move back to lane 2 then lane 1 making sure it's safe. That's it, don't over complicate the procedure
@@wrightwoodwork that’s literally what we’ve both said. I wouldn’t expect a car in L1 to lane change if it was completely clear up ahead but they might lane change for an overtake early. You just don’t know, so best not to risk it.
@@Evolixe some people lane change for no apparent reason, or lane change early for an overtake. If you’re two lanes apart your speed relative to them should be reasonably high, so it wouldn’t take long to get past them.
I always assume that anyone joining the motorway will cross all the way into the fast lane without looking, I keep well out of their way, has saved me a whole bunch of trouble many a time.
Which one is "The Fast Lane"? There's the nearside lane - then there are overtaking lanes.
@@phillwainewright4221 haha I guess I underestimated the level of geek in the comments section for this video lol
No such thing as a fast lane pal
The depressing thing is how often that assumption will prove to be correct. 😥
correct your behaviour. keep an eye on them, but don't actively stay out of their way. you suddenly adjusting your speed to match joining traffic has a bigger chance of catching people behind you out and causing extra danger
Even when I'm walk😂ing, I look to my left/right to make sure it's clear and that I'm not going to walk into anyone. Or, i stop walking if someone/something is blocking my path - I don't plow forward.
I apply this mentality to my driving, as I want to keep clear of danger
Bit harsh at 8:00. Not sure how many drivers would have anticipated an instant three lane change!
Does anyone else have the 'what Ashley say' thought when you've had a near miss because of a bad decision of yours or someone else's? I watch these vids to inform myself of what I'm doing wrong and how to do better, I leave the idiot's to themselves and carry on with my own day.
Yeah totally!!
As I always start by saying I can no longer drive since developing epilepsy. But my first time on a motorway was after passing my test but with my driving instructor in his duel control car. I was so glad that that was how I did it.
Duel control cars are terrifying - all those pistols and swords, being slapped in the face with a glove, and so on. Very distracting.
Dual not duel
people forgot that the dashed line on a slip road means give way, theres many times when I have cruise on at 70mph in lane 1 and people expect to be let out doing 55mph when lane 2 is occupied.
2:39 I'm actually kind of impressed how well the brakes worked when he did use them. Mint condition!
1st clip, was the lorry braking because it tried to close the gap?
the lorry in first clip couldnt move over into lane 2 even if it was clear as that section of M11 has a HGV ban in lane 2. Also, the Audi was fully in the blind spot long before it had its nose out at front as it was joining, it was not in a straight line to the nearside of the trailer such as in parrellel lanes.
An HGV ban on a lane isn't a couldn't, that's just a mustn't. On matters of safety that doesn't apply.
Just because the law says you can't drive on the shoulder doesn't mean you can't use it for emergiency purposes either. Same concept.
No copper is going to give you a hard time for switching into banned lanes to let other traffic in, as long as you go back as soon as safely able.
And if they do because they really have a stick up their ass, file a complaint. 1000% it gets overturned.
@Sreve Campbell there isn't an hgv restriction on this section. The incident is at J12 North bound. The hgv lane restriction is for a 2 mile stretch finishing about a mile and a half south of J9 for the A11.
Could all have easily been avoided.
The cammer COULD have slowed to leave space for the hgv and let them know as much. Instead they see the problem.and keep going, effectively giving the hgv a choice as to which car to hit.
The hgv WOULD then have had a safe space to take evasive action assuming they'd even seen the Audi. It wasn't on the slip road as they approached, it accelerated into the blind spot from behind. If they hadn't glanced at the mirror for the short period it was in view they wouldn't have even known it was there.
The Audi SHOULD have gone straight into the perfectly safe and appropriate space behind the hgv and everyone could have got on with their day.
Unfortunately some people CAN'T help being a dick.
Classic case of COULD'A, WOULD'A, SHOULD'A saving the day. 🤦♂️
@@andytuson6181 oh ok. I thought it was a little further down.
@@Evolixe I see what you saying. But I will not go into a banned lane for some idiotic car driver.
The clip at around 4:00 is pretty much the same situation as the night time clip directly before it and illustrates just how common this situation is. Traffic merging onto a motorway and in their eagerness to immediately overtake others asap, not checking their blind spot.
“To avoid a collision” is always a defence (or at least a mitigation) for using road space you’re not normally permitted to use. As the driver in the outer lane, I think I would have given him obvious room to play. Even off the truck driver doesn’t use it deliberately, the spinning Audi might!
These two I was unsure about what the cammer could do. Be cautious and ready, yes, but they're not doing anything stupid as far as I can see, especially the second one where the van merges into lane 3 🙄
@@R0ssMM at 4:00, the cammer can see the available road drop from 3 lanes to one (because of traffic ahead) with joining traffic in multiple lanes.
It’s a higher risk situation.
The risk-reduction approach depends on the circumstances, but closing the options in this case reduced the opportunity to avoid conflict. The cammer could have matched the speed of the existing vehicle in lane 2, leaving space, until traffic had stabilised.
@@GMBasix Ah thanks, I hadn't spotted the lanes merging up ahead
In the incident at the 2:00 min mark, not only should the driver have slowed down, he should have thought about what the consequences of passing a lorry that is already flashing RIGHT might be.
In the case of the undertake at about 5:40 the driver in the outside lane with whom he almost came into contact had foreign registration plates. In any language they say "Keep clear, I may have forgotten which side of the road I should be on". Or something similar.
The clip from 5:40 is from Ireland, so everyone has white plates, but also drives on the left. As an Irish driver, I could see the slow Yaris in the wrong lane (typically, it's an elderly local driver in these cars, not used to multi-lane roads and roundabouts), and I would have waited a few seconds more until everyone decided what to do about it - Yaris to wake up and move left or, as happened, the Dacia driver to get impatient - the cammer only avoided contact through sheer luck.
Since watching your videos I've changed the way I see things but my partner and daughter still drive in that old mind set of "if I'm in the right they should give way etc " I'm doing my best to change them
Same here. I actually believe this philosophy of Ashley's should be an integral part of the learning to drive.
We tow a caravan regularly and when approaching a slip road on the motorway I make a decision whether to slowdown and create a space or keep at the current speed. It amazes me how many drivers don't pay attention and don't see me slow down only for them to slow down even more to a dangerous slow speed.
The clip around 5:52 whereby the cam car does a good job of sounding their horn but then does a bad undertake. This illustrates a general point I'm often aware of. Namely, that just because you see another driver do something well, brilliantly even, be open minded enough that they may later do something not so good. I've often observed drivers whom I considerered "good" via their actions up to a point, only for them to "blot their copybook" a little later by some bad action or manouvre.
The driver of the second clip is just plain daft. They see the hazard developing far far ahead of them, so they keep speed on. Excessive speed for the conditions at that, and then proceed to still keep the power on as they are closing in on the lorry.
Then they beep, like the lorry has done something wrong? Am I missing something here?
We are all missing the view from the driver of the truck. We first see the scene ahead at a point where he is already in motion, so we are not seeing everything. We have not been given any reason to think the truck driver did anything wrong.
First clip was car drivers fault. The lorry driver would not of seen the car emerging into his path and probably expected the car to slot in behind hence not lifting.
The car being undertaken at the end , didn’t signal his intention to change lanes!!! Over signalling is by far the best option in a majority of cases . Good old school driver instructors preached it 54 yrs ago and when I see the numerous drivers swopping lanes at roundabouts and dual carriageways nothing will convince me otherwise.
Thanks for sharing .
Would not have.
I don't get why the lorry driver in that first clip is considered to be stubborn. I think the driver could be criticised for driving far too close to the lorry in front however, he/she doesn't seem to have been deliberately closing the gap. Just when the lorry driver saw the Audi it's difficult to say. In any event, it was extraordinarily stupid of the Audi driver to aim for that very small gap between the two lorries. I'm somewhat surprised the accident that happened wasn't a great deal worse given cars tangling with HGVs at speed rarely ends well.
On that second clip, the cammer was driving in a ridiculously dangerous manner. Yes, it's a bit annoying when a lorry pulls out like that, but it's no more than that as there was plenty of time to slow down. However, overtaking over hashed lines where there are a couple of junctions? It was full 8 seconds from where the lorry could be seen emerging to the actual junction. At 49 mph that's 190 yards, or almost the length of two football pitches. Overtaking over hashed lines where there are two side junctions is just silly. It turned what was a minor inconvenience into a potential accident.
I think one thing that is common. Is as a general rule of thumb if everyone around you has their brake lights on, but you don’t know why, it’s probably because you physically can’t see why. It’s blocked behind another car.
Slow down, even if it initially looks like you path is clear.
Especially important at 4:56
The clip with the red lorry, was Jeremy vine riding? I noticed the speed straight away
In the last clip, because I was watching your video on my TV, I noticed the Dacia Duster which cut up your viewer had a Polish?!? number plate on the back so it's possible the driver was so used to driving on the right he was most most likely trying to correct his mistake (too late). I'm not using that as a defense, but it could have been a contributing factor.
Irish. If you look at the road signs you'll see that the clip is from Ireland. A quick look at the Wikipedia article on Irish number plates indicates that the 'WH' is for Westmeath.
The first stage of slowing down, is to ''come off the gas!''. Done soon enough, that is often [in my experience!] all that is necessary to comfortably cope with the actions of others.
The 'give way' rule is very much a subjective one. At what point, exactly, has one '' failed to give way?'' Does one ''give way'' when one can see an approaching road user, half a mile away? Simply because they can 'be seen?'' There is always the likelihood [especially if driving a large or relatively slow vehicle...a tractor perhaps?]...that anybody on the major route will have to slow down at some point, behind one's vehicle. Has one 'failed to give way' if the other party only actually catches up a few hundred yards down the road? Some would think so. Even, I suspect, Ashley Neal!
As someone who used to be in the same industry as Ashley Neal, I always had the problem of trying to indicate to a student when they need to 'give way', and when it might be unnecessary. [LGVs especially, which was my primary interest]. I would suggest that one needs to 'give way' if one is going to make another road user slow down, stop, or change direction.....dramatically!'' Also, just because a road user appears to have priority over others, doesn't absolve them from already taking action, just in case. Suddenly coming across a side road where a tractor and trailer are already emerging, slowly, as they do [for an example]...?
What about the triangular warning signs of a side road ahead, for example? If one cannot actually see that side road, then the question is, can anybody sat at that 'give way' line actually see you? If not, are they expected to ''give way'' to a vehicle which cannot be physically seen from that junction? [Due to permanent physical obstructions, for example?] Road users are expected to exercise ''care & attention'' as well as ''consideration for others'' when out on the roads.....Ignoring a triangular warning sign is a common fault...Yet folk still drive around at an excessive speed, if they think they have a ''priority' over others.....and it is the responsibility of 'others' to keep out of their way.
Yet too many times, drivers/riders are vilified for 'failing to give way' when in reality, the situation has been exacerbated by the driver on the main route not responding to the previous, lawful, warning signs. Had they done so, in all likelihood a 'failure to give way '' would not have entered into the equation!
Speeds negotiating roundabouts is a prime example. The faster one travels, the less ''time' others have to respond to one's presence. Hence why I suggest adding the word 'dramatically' to the ''give way'' definition....If a driver or rider has to do nothing more than ease off and slot in behind, where is there a failure to ''give way?'' Of course, that cannot happen of one is intent on hoofing it along the road, regardless. Too much emphasis is given to what others do, and not enough emphasis one 'why'' drivers fail to cope with unfolding events. After all, if one can cope comfortably with the errors of others, why is there a need to swear, sound the horn [after the fact, is road rage.....]....of sit there flashing the lights??
In the first clip, having made an error, the Audi{?} driver would have been better off trying to slot in as close as possible too the lead truck, before sorting out what to do next. [Since easing off & slotting in behind the 2nd truck wasn't the option chosen]...In other words, having made a cock-up, how can one best mitigate a bad situation?
If i was the cammer in the first clip I would have stayed behind the truck till after the slip road so that the truck could move to the right if he wanted to (regardless of legality). As these clips demonstrate, it is often unsafe to overtake at, or near, any kind of road junction.
I was thinking exactly that! Had the cammer stayed back the lorry could have at least had the option to move over.
P.s: lorries are perfectly allowed to use both lanes on 2 lane motoways and dual carriageways. They are also allowed to use the outermost lane on motorways in limited circumstances (such as emergencies and for avoiding a collision such as here) 👍
You're really rolling these out Ashley. Going through this one now and commenting as I go along.
lmao good one
🥇🏆confirmed😊
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Morning Ib S, hope you are keep well on this bank holiday weekend
As a HGV driver, that first clip is all to common, you can see the truck braking to allow the audi to merge, hence why i dont think he is being stubborn, but he appears to slow down to match the trucks speed and he sits in the trucks blindspot, i see it all the time, when you take you foot off the throttle as to give the driver room to merge and they just sit there matching your speed. why do they find merging so difficult. we should also remember it is the merging vehicles responsibility to merge without forcing someone to brake or swerve, yes, move or give room if safe to do so.
What I don't get is how can you drive so close behind the lorry. Especially if you're driving another lorry. You can't see anything in front of you, there's next to none distance for emergency breaking and you're going 60mph with confidence. And it is a professional heavy vehicle driver. Just... why?
Re the intro clip - I'm not sure the trucker was "stubborn" - he was clearly drafting behind the truck in front of him... can be tricky to slow those down, then speed back up. I agree the truck driver saw the audi, but had the audi gone for the hard shoulder, the trucker has braked just enough to give the audi space to get into lane 1
6:00 are you sure that the horn wasn't to alert the HGV driver who might have been in front of the HGV and thus out of view?
being in a blind spot is one of the situations you should definitely use your horn in, haven’t seen anyone in these clips using their horn to warn people (like a short tap not blast obviously)
On thing no one ever taught me but was just really obvious is that blind spots are not only a thing when you are setting off.
The CycleGaz clip I've been in that exact situation several times. Literally on my bike on that same bit of road (Euston Road, London approaching Great Portland Street Station) a black cab peeling to the left with no regard for anything else.
When I'm changing lanes or merging onto a road I always turn to look over my shoulder as well as using my mirrors but most people only seem to use their mirrors.
I was in Birmingham a couple of days ago. I'd just turned off Colemore Row onto Newhall Street and the as I was about to make a left turn onto Edmund Street a deliveroo bike rider had stopped right on the corner so I slowed down a little as I could see they hadn't seen me but just as I was half way in front of them they looked up and started riding. Considering the size of my vehicle (which was quite large) I just couldn't believe that they rode off down the road I was turning off without me fully stopping to allow them to pass. Considering he was completely stationary, I'd expected them to look back and at least know I was going to be in front of them when they were ready to set off.
On Broad Street they are always cutting in and treating the road as if there aren't any rules. I've seen them ride through red lights that pedestrians were crossing at and nearly caused a collision. And they will ride on the wrong side of the road and expect you to stop so that they can take the road on your left. A tactic I've only ever done on mobile games and would NEVER do unless directed to by road signs or Police even then I would be using caution and stopping my vehicle first to work out other possible ways out of the situation.
Entry onto motorways and dual carriageways are fraught with this sort of driving. Vehicles coming on and lurching across the lanes to get past traffic, instead of joining and getting a feel for the speed and weight of traffic. It only takes a minute or two.
the Audi should have stopped the Lorry wasn't at fault
The lorry driver had the option to at least try to increase the gap. They didn't so that was a contributing factor in the collision. Blind spot mirrors would have enabled him to clearly see the Audi.
The lorry driver may not have been at fault, although they were tailgating the lorry in front of them.
@@VictheSecret yeah but the Audi still should have slowed down as giveway rules apply on a slip road
@@Marvhead the Audi shouldn't have tried getting into the small gap though still
#blame
i used to have a mere, and the cruise control would apply the brake lights to slow me down to maintain speed. So brake lights can illuminate without driver pressing brake on some cars
It's actually so easy to have a pleasant and SAFE drive everyday. I don't know why some people would endanger themselves and others.Everyone keep safe, your loved ones are waiting for you ❤
Clip 2 - 1:52 - whilst it was a poor emerge from the red lorry, it wasn’t as bad as it first looks. They have pulled out and moved straight into the protected right turn lane, presumably in anticipation of their manoeuvre to turn right. The left lane is still free and so the red lorry probably thought they weren’t inconveniencing anyone. If the camera lorry wasn’t being so impatient and trying to make a point, they could have just kept going in the left lane and everything would have been fine. Instead, the “I need to make a point” mentality put everyone at risk.
The cam lorry in the second clip was definitely at fault, yes the first lorry shouldn't have pulled out but what was a minor mistake was turned into a near disaster because of the cam lorry. It was obvious that the first lorry was going to turn right but the cam lorry made absolutely no attempt to avoid the accident until the last second. And before hgv drivers start saying "well you don't know what it's like to drive an hgv" I am a former hgv driver. He didn't need to come to a complete stop he just had to slow down.
3:59 That van does 3 things at the same time:
Pulling out of the onramp; skipping a lane to get on the right of the van; and overtaking the white car that was doing the same speed on the onramp in front of him. In fact, all 3 vehicles that came from the onramp overtook each other simultaneously: The white car overtook the black one, and the van overtook both of them. You can expect to be in a blind spot, (or to not be seen by someone doing reasonable maneuvers, like at 5:35) but you can't anticipate the actions of absolute maniacs.
4:35 I would have been more paranoid in that situation. I try to avoid riding next to a car in any hairy situation. And that lane merging is a situation where I would be worried that I might not be able to discern a car just shifting over to the left because they are following that lane merge versus a car shifting over because they are doing a lane change.
I wouldn't call that "kept himself safe". He did the exact same thing that you criticized other drivers for: Not slowing down (3m/h in 5 seconds, he didn't even stop pedaling) and reprimanding the other vehicle.
2:20 It's pretty obvious they didn't reduce their speed as their plan was to overtake, and be a lorry themselves keeping the speed up was critical to that plan. Obviously ended up being a bad call, but i have some sympathy, I'm not a HGV driver but I can imagine it must be very frustrating to lose all your speed and momentum because of one selfish driver.
As a driver assessor, all too often I saw people driving up to a risk, and doing nothing about it, until, they found themselves with too much speed, and too little space to correct it.
2:23 there was room to slow down, so it was brave/stupid to swing out to overtake before assessing the whole situation. DOUBLY brave/stupid to overtake opposite a side turning!
2:10 cam car should be ashamed of this. Whether the lorry driver was also in the wrong is irrelevant... look at all that distance we had to hold back and figure out what was going on.
This is a good education. Clip 1. Jesus Christ. Who needs to be reminded that the dashed line means GIVE WAY to oncoming traffic. That means press the middle pedal and wait your turn if there is traffic coming. Especially 2 lorries close together. By the way for those who need reminding. It’s the one between the throttle and the clutch.
1:50 is a good tutorial video for hazard perception test possibly. This is just a hazard perception test in real life. You get 5 points for clicking at 1:53, 4 at 1:54, 3 at 1:55, 2 at 1:57, 1 at 1:58 and the rest is what'll happen if you don't click the button
In American road schools and the learner's permit written test, there is extensive material about dealing with large vehicles. Visibility is very different with these vehicles, and if they are operating reasonably, they are very predictable for other road users.
Everyone likes to consume goods transported by these vehicles, but some of them do not show them the requisite respect, and end up like our guy in the Audi. Both may be in the wrong, but the driver af the Audi had far greater opportunities to cooperate with the flow of traffic, or even could have driven on the shoulder as an alternative to the crash.
I always give plenty of room for HGVs or buses even if I have priority.. Im always thinking in my head if I fight this bus or HGV with my tiny hatchback who’s going to win? 😅
I feel it is mighty dangerous overtaking on the left , unless other vehicle is going right . I try to drive defencivally , as too many do not !!
I see many comments flaming the lorry driver in the first clip for not letting the Audi in but I'd like to just say 2 things in his defence.
Firstly, at the start of the clip when we see where the Audi appears on the slip road they're behind or at the very least level with the back of the trailer of the lorry, judging by the angle that probably puts them out of the FOV of the main mirror of the lorry and if they're visible in the wide angle mirror they're probably very small and in the very corner (because of it's convex shape objects shrink very rapidly with distance). Then as he speeds up to undertake while keeping far left in the slip road he's definitely completely out of view of both mirrors so if the lorry driver didn't know before he has no chance to at that point. Then as Ash says when the Audi comes in to force merge the driver can't see down to the left
Secondly, that's at very minimum a 6 metre gap, that model Audi A3 is just under 4.3m long, the Audi driver could've easily slipped in if they had the skill.
First clip. The HGV driver may not have been braking, might be the lorry has Adaptive Cruise Control and the lorry was doing the braking itself. My car has this and does the braking itself when it senses its gaining on a vehicle in front. The distance is adjustable. Just a thought.
It's difficult to judge due to the camera perspective in the middle of the car, but it looks to me like the driver at 5:25 is taking the racing line across the two lane roundabout?
6:00
I 100% agree with you Ashley, car should have been slowing down. Why continue it.
This was a lot of food for thought. I think the reason people can get fired up is because they might be taking this as criticism rather than constructive criticism. I too have that awful irk at the thought of having to adjust my perfectly fine driving because other people cannot stay in a lane or check a mirror etc, but in practice I know it’s better and I am working on being a more patient driver.
If you're not adjusting for people's mistakes and driving in a way where you're anticipating those mistakes, is it really 'perfectly fine driving' anyway?
@@Kylirr I do adjust for people’s mistakes, but I can find myself getting annoyed by it after the fact. And that’s okay because I’m working on it. I suppose I just mean I can understand why people take this video in a bad way, but I think it’s more constructive than that.
Just possibly a tiny bit harsh with clip 2, the speed of the cammer clearly reduces much faster than the display updates, they'd pretty much stopped & it was still showing 35, did you account for how slowly that display updated?
Hello lorry driver here, in the first clip the car should of dropped in behind the artic as soon as the car went in front I can tell you that's straight in a blind spot the hgv driver would of seen the car then braked, then let off the brakes as the car would of disappeared, the government needs to air the advert more of the hgv blindspots.
It surprises me how many people don't slow down when they see a problem unfolding ahead. And even more surprising when people see a problem unfolding deliberately speed up and 'reprimand' those that are causing the problem. Just slow down and let things happen... I'd rather be far behind a crash than be in the middle of it! But it's also not my place to 'reprimand' other people's mistakes as I also make mistakes, no one is a perfect driver! The way I think is, I'd rather be a little bit late than not arrive at all!
At around 4:23 ah yes good old CycleGaz. "Oi!!"
I always look at the vehicles position in the lane, what sort of numberplate is on the vehicle, is it a foreign vehicle? I also look at the drivers actions.
With the first clip, all HGVs are fitted with Automatic Emergency Braking Systems (AEBS) that will brake to avoid a collision, if it senses one, the same system is used for adaptive cruise control which could be why the white HGV showed brake lights.
It astounds me the amount of people that are so adverse to giving way, loosing that space, or so desperate to get ahead that they would rather have an accident.
Being able to overtake and get in front doesn't make you a good driver! Not getting your self into stupid situations and being curious, able to anticipate and manage other people stupidity and mistakes as well as asking what can I improve on makes you a good driver.
It boggles my mind when drivers expect to carry on their merry way when things are looking iffy. Yes, they may not be at fault for the initial situation, but their actions often exacerbate the problem.
I think it's just the stubborn mindset of, "it wasn't my mistake that caused this, so I shouldn't have to do anything". The number of people in these clips who maintained a dangerous speed when multiple cars or lorries were braking and the space was closing is utterly crazy.
We are human, and humans make mistakes. I've seen even the most cautious and attentive drivers miss things and hold their hands up to an honest mistake, yet the first thought of many motorists isn't to help make things better, but to blare the horn after the fact and make sure everyone knows who the wally is. Some of the worst drivers I've been in car with have the blame mindset.
Bruce Lee's "be like water" quote is a good mindset for driving -- be flexible. If something looks dangerous, reduce the risk by slowing down. If someone takes your space, it's generally better to fix the situation rather than compete for an arbitrary patch road etc.
The beginning getting straight into it is probably good for more views/retention
I shouldn't be as shocked as I am about the people going on about priority. But wow.
Bottom line is, if you are in a position to fix the mistake of others, just do it. Priority doesn't matter when someone ends up dead because you didn't want to bruise your fragile ego by slowing down.
"if you have the opportunity to avoid a crash, and you don't take it, you're at fault, regardless of who had priority." often expressed as "drive with due care"
5:49 I reckon the car in the right lane heard the beep and thought it was the car directly behind him in the 2nd lane telling him to move over.
What you see may only be a vignette of what is happening.
In the second clip we see the lorry pull out as the car saw it happen,
BUT,
we do not see events as the lorry driver saw them. His vehicle was already in motion when we first saw it and likely was in motion before the car became visible to him. Once you have started a manoeuvre it can be hard, and maybe unsafe or unwise to stop.
Car driver was impatient, should have waited for the lorry to complete its manoeuvre before attempting to pass.
Note that the lorry’s indicator remained on throughout. Until the indicator switches off the manoeuvre is not complete.
The car driver should not have passed because the lorry driver’s continuing indication was a signal that it was not safe to do so.
And it always amazes me how quick some people are to use their horns. I rarely use mine because to shift your attention to the horn is to take your attention from the road.
00:28 2 stubborn road users. Did 2 drivers really crash their vehicles by being stubborn? 2:27 I do not think anyone would have expected the turning lorry to turn right again so I ask, what need was evident that there was a need to slow and not overtake? The horn was a warning. 3:32 and 4:12, what action does Ashley suggest the cammers should have taken. Both cammers had left space for traffic joining to move to lane 1 or 2. What would the traffic behind have made of either cammer braking? Even experienced drivers may have only braked when the saw the vehicles moving right but their experience would have had them perhaps taking evasive action that bit sooner.
So many people think you have to give way to vehicles joining a carriage way.
@ashley_neal How do I submit clips? I have tried e-mail but file size limits are stopping me. I am using the Viofo A129 Pro Duo which produces large files.
3:13. Yes the novice driver made this awkward by maintaining the same speed as the van in lane 1, but blame is totally on the black car joining off of the slip road.
The black car pulls out into lane fine no issue but they then continue out into lane 2 without any consideration for their blind spot.
[personally I would have been looking to move out into lane 3 as soon as I saw the black car joining from the left],
but if the 3rd lane is busy you are forced into maintaining your position in lane 2.
What the camer could have done better is to speed up slightly to overtake the van so that he would be in front of the ‘coming together point’ and the black car could then pull out behind.
2:01 is the lorry left hand drive?
We need a change to the road rules. When entering a road you must select the closest lane and may only move across after a pause of several seconds in your lane, then signal, check for cars then move across one lane. Loss of licence for coming across multiple lanes.
Many many crashes are caused by morons coming out into lane 2, or lane 3 without seeing traffic. 3:10 is an example. 2:00 is also an example if you think about it. 4:04 is another one.
6:08 "people just aren't expecting you to pass on the left". But this particular moron is actually passing on the left himself. How can you excuse that?
The first one honestly feels like justice. It wasnt the smartest thing from the lorry driver but that guy in the car got his comeuppance for driving like he owned the road and the massive truck would move out of his way, rather than him slowing down to slot in behind. It may not be for us to enforce the law but its so different from the angry reprimands that people give drivers who make poor decisions; that car driver knew exactly what he was doing and i bet the lorry driver did too, now the wise thing would obviously be to avoid conflict. On the other hand all of us want to see arrogant bullying drivers punished. That car being tossed around was beautiful.
in the first clip. should the cammer have slowed down to allow the lorry to move out to the right? could this be why the lorry was braking, so it could move out, but then couldn't?
As a truck driver myself it would be nice if the cammer did so. But I wouldn't expect them to do it. It does occasionally happen with observant drivers though.
Looks like the drivers of 2:30 and 4:50 are vans or trucks? They appear raised higher than a car. Then there is another van in this clip. What is it with van drivers?
Vehicles of larger vehicles need to slow down due to their size. On the first clip, the Audi driver was silly to squeeze in between 2 trucks that close.