I totally respect the fact that Fireball Tool doesn’t just accept what has always been standard practice, they look for better ways to accomplish tasks in a more exact manner. Always pushing for the next level. Love it.
Jamie Perkins from the YT channel, Perkins Builder Bros would love to do a collaboration with you. He's cutting his teeth working with metal. I Absolutely love both of your channels, and couldn't think of much that I'd like to see more!
On one hand this is some great fixturing and workholding information I've never really considered before. On the other, I feel like I just had a grown man explain lego to me :D
Lol! This type of fixturing was rattling around in the back of my head for years and I always wanted to someday figure it out. Life goes by too fast if you don't seize the opportunity early! I love watching Fireball tool videos though! I'm definitely going to be buying some of his tools in the near future.
Perkins Builder Brothers just mentioned you so I thought I’d check your videos out. They also mentioned they’d like to build a huge custom jointer planer
There's a simple reason for round pins: No matter how you put your piece you always have a single point of contact. It's just how circles/cylinders work.
@@cr1ticalRevenge I know this, but please pay attention to the second part of my question. If the 2 or 3 pins are each at a variable position, you're defining a different line or plane each time. does that still give you some sort of confidence? sounds like a 2x4 block with a radius might be interesting?
Hey Jason, the Perkins builder brothers shouted you out in there recent video. Not sure if you know of them but, Jamie Perkins is a big fans of you and your work. They're hoping to get ahold of you. It would be great to see something together from 2 of my favorite channels on RUclips!
Can you do a collaboration with Perkins Builder Brothers? Jamie on that channel wants to make a custom Jointer tool and working with you could be a great collaboration.
I am watching your channel because The Perkins Brothers utube channel mentioned you on their latest video. I wanted to know why they were so interested in building with you. I have watched a couple of your videos now and they are great. I will continue to watch your channel. They want to make something with you. It would be cool to watch you guys together.
Just watched Keith and Clark battle to take apart a windless for Leo. Keith mentioned he was in need of a big press. You're just the guy to make it for him. That would align 4 of my favorite RUclips channels.
Jason, watched your video this morning on why you need a fixture table. I agree with the outcome as I’m pretty much self taught and once I got my (German brand) welding table -about a year before you launched yours - and even using my 30+ year old Hobart mig, my accuracy went through the roof! Definitely a game changer and you should probably go get your money back on those weldments. Can’t wait to purchase some of your stop blocks.
What hole spacing do you have on your German (presumably Metric) bench? I'm thinking of making a purchase but not sure if the metric/imperial issue comes into play. 🤔
I hope you don’t mind I think what you do is fantastic and don’t get discouraged by negative comments I’m referring to the 2 frames and table comments and your response by the test only proving what you preached is correct cheers keep up the good work I m in Australia and I have bought some of your products and love them even the shipping doesn’t bother me if it’s what I want 😀
Thats why i love the self centering locking bolts from the siegmund system. no wiggle whatsoever, anyways. Great tool and great work, looking forward to see more of your tools!!
Jason, one of my favorite RUclipsrs--Perkins Builder Brothers--mentioned how much they like your channel and would love to collaborate on a build of a machine tool (large joiner). The two of you together could lead to world domination.
what a blessing to have a smart and creative guy in a position to produce and sell his creations, a prophet of the metal industry slowly revolutionizing the most important details of workshops
Jason thank you for this video just last night I was looking on your website and trying to decide what I want to buy. I like the idea of your system compared to the rest. I was going to buy a bunch of those 1” posts I’m glad I saw this now and it makes sense looks like I’ll be ordering some 2x4 fence blocks now instead thank you!
Would love to see a video of you rebuilding your rotary positioner. You mentioned you wanted to do it one day and haven't heard about it since. Also really miss the long form videos. You are by far the most interesting fabricators on RUclips. Hands down Sir!
People in videos : I need x y z to clamp to this and make a square. Here's my 2k$ new angle super wide clamp with rotating bearing. Welder on his job : I'll tack that shit to the table and buff it after.
As usual another innovative yet uncomplicated design that is thoughtful, versatile, and easy to use with very reasonable pricing; you're really a credit and benefit to the commercial industry and hobbyists/makers alike, cheers 👍
Every time I watch one of your videos, it makes me want to spend all of someone ELSE’S money…. 🤣 😂 since I don’t make a living fabricating, it would take a lottery win for me to buy all this!
I’m not a fabricator or machinist, or even a welder but I get sucked into these videos every time. Lol and the best part is they are essentially advertisements for the tools you produce and I’m totally fine with it. There isn’t another product in existence that I’d sit and watch a 6 minute add for just for entertainment lol.
This is great information. I don't weld but i get great tips and tricks for woodworking on MFT style workbenches. The dogs have the same issues. If you want to take on woodworkers, make these and your other fixtures in aluminum for 20mm and 3/4" dog holes. The hole are on 96mm centers for the 20mm benches and usually 4" centers for the 3/4" benches. I'm told 96mm is some international standard. We just call it Festool.
Hi Jason. I can‘t barely wait for the 28mm system to be launched. I‘ve got a big welding table with no blocks, shims and clamps because I wait for you stuff 😄
I'm an "old timer" based on my age, but a total novice as a welder. I've seen tables with round pins and never questioned the concept...until now. I have a little (very little) machinist experience, but as soon as you mentioned 1-2-3 blocks (and LEGOs...gotta be honest 😂) it all made sense. If I had the room I'd become one of those "novices with the best (welding) tools" . Some of the woodworking machinery might have to go up for sale!
Jason always reinvents an idea. Well done !!! The square blocks are impressive. Just not keen on anything magnetic around metal filings. I could see myself always trying to clean/pick of swarf, metal filings from grinding, and the infamous weld spatter balls.
I went to make my first order of fireball tools and a lot of tools were out of stock, like a lot. I was going to order those small pins, but videos like these are definitely needed for us new guys. Look forward to seeing more fixtures tools used and explained in videos.
The welders that commented weld just barn doors and maybe some fences… they don’t even deserve a high quality welding table… fixture table is a must if you are in this business of welding precision parts… Hope you will Design a metric version to on you’re Europe site
"You know that rubbish stop you've been using? Yeah, thought so. What if I gave you Lego (the world's single best building material) except upside-down? Yeah, also thought so."
Wait, it's Fireball Tool, not Fireball Tools!? I had to hear you say it out loud while I read it, for this to register 🤣Been watching your channel for years, you definitely have more than one tool!
Would it be possible to put 2 extra threaded holes in the bottom that would fit the holes at 45 degrees? It looks like there is space on the fence block.
Hello Jason of fireball tool. I have come into possession of a couple of ball screws that were used as the Z-axis for a 30hp CNC machine. It was replaced because it had .02 slop in it. Not very useful for the machine it was used for originally but I have found it to be incredibly low friction and it looks almost brand new. I think it would be a very interesting replacement for a thrust bearing and I bet you could easily crush your other vise build in terms of clamping force and closing speed. I have cleaned it all up and removed all the grease and swarf. Before I cleaned it when I had it clamped vertically in the soft jaws of the forged fireball tool vise I bought from you. The greasy ball thread nut would start rotating down the ball thread with the help of gravity, clearly some very low friction involved in this screw. If I sent you this ball thread would you be interested in doing another vise build video for “science”? Not sure if you will see this since the video is two months old but this is about the only way I can find to contact you if anyone else knows a way to contact him please do share.
But when are the round pins back in stock cause I want more of them. Building railings is way easier with the round pins because my pickets are on a 4 inch center spacing and I keep having to move my stops so I want enough to go all the way down the table
Is anyone coming from "Perkins Builder Brothers" like me? They mentioned you, Fireball Tool, in their vlog... Building A Small Income Property | Part 42. They want a collab. You've got cool videos too,.. I'm staying/subscribing
you forgot about the pins stops that have an allen screw in the top that puts pressure on 3 ball bearings that push out on the chamfer on the underside of the hole and lock it in place and suck it down. A round pin is easier to machine, vs a square with 4 sides that must be parallel and perpendicular to each other. the idea of the two pin is a good idea but i have not had trouble with the pins that have the allen screw in them.
You could, but it's easier, faster, less fiddly, and using a less expensive product with no moving parts that can fail or that require maintenance by simply, you know, rotating the long blocks 90° or backing it up with a second long block that's rotated 90° from the first block, the same exact way as is demonstrated in the video...
@@msytdc1577 Thanks for the reply, I understand all the failings of the system, was just wondering if it would work. Way more work to make and maintain. Fireball tools block system is way less complex and easy to use.
@@felixcosty Well, it looks like they do sell pretty much what you're talking about on their website, called a tacking bolt. They work with other fixture styles only however, as to use the locking function they require access to the top of the bolt, which obviously would be difficult when these new fixture blocks are solid hunks of metal and designed to be able to be stacked on top of one another.
I watched your rectangle frame video, and I think you should inform the three shops that they failed to meet specs and ask them how they want to resolve the problem.
ok you convinced me! we have a languimire layout table with Hole Size:0.630" +0.010" -0.005" - WILL yoru fixture blocks fit this ? YES YES eventually we will get your table! First the fixtures! Thanks
How about a tapered hole and matching pin? Would unfortunately be proprietary, but should also fix a lot of the problems you brought up. I dig the block system, and think it's good for the most of us that already have tables with 5/8 holes.
Hey man, Perkins Builder Brothers gave you a shout out and said they love you so I figured I would check you out. Great channel man.
I totally respect the fact that Fireball Tool doesn’t just accept what has always been standard practice, they look for better ways to accomplish tasks in a more exact manner. Always pushing for the next level. Love it.
one of the reasons I'm subscribed :P
We hate tradition.
Jamie Perkins from the YT channel, Perkins Builder Bros would love to do a collaboration with you. He's cutting his teeth working with metal. I Absolutely love both of your channels, and couldn't think of much that I'd like to see more!
On one hand this is some great fixturing and workholding information I've never really considered before. On the other, I feel like I just had a grown man explain lego to me :D
Yeah, but bad ass manly man melting and fusing metal with the power of electricity Lego that's made of cold, hard steel.
@@msytdc1577 Yes sir.
Lol! This type of fixturing was rattling around in the back of my head for years and I always wanted to someday figure it out. Life goes by too fast if you don't seize the opportunity early! I love watching Fireball tool videos though! I'm definitely going to be buying some of his tools in the near future.
Perkins Builder Brothers just mentioned you so I thought I’d check your videos out. They also mentioned they’d like to build a huge custom jointer planer
Thanks for explaining your design to us old timers. Incredible stuff, Jason. I can't wait for what's next.
There's a simple reason for round pins: No matter how you put your piece you always have a single point of contact. It's just how circles/cylinders work.
Well, if you have a piece of quadratically aligned steel you can g
contact the circle at 2 points exactly, but that's a less common situation
why do you want a single point of contact? particularly if that single point of contact is at a variable location. honest question.
@@Dannerrrr Maybe it is similar to using round stock in a vise? In that use case it helps ensure that your material is square with the jaws
@@Dannerrrr look into GD&T, particularly about datum. Placing a flat piece of bar against 2 round pins will precisely define a line in space.
@@cr1ticalRevenge I know this, but please pay attention to the second part of my question. If the 2 or 3 pins are each at a variable position, you're defining a different line or plane each time. does that still give you some sort of confidence? sounds like a 2x4 block with a radius might be interesting?
Hi, Perkins Builder brothers gave you a heads up!
Perkins Builder Brothers wants to do a collaboration building a huge jointer. Let them know! lol
I felt great yesterday knowing I didn’t plan on spending any money over the next couple days. Then you go ahead and release this… 😅
Hey man! The Perkins builder brothers needs you help! 😊 They want to collaborate and build a huge planer for the wood shop.
Hey Jason, the Perkins builder brothers shouted you out in there recent video. Not sure if you know of them but, Jamie Perkins is a big fans of you and your work.
They're hoping to get ahold of you. It would be great to see something together from 2 of my favorite channels on RUclips!
I can't comment on your new video but it was very good like how you had other shops do that.make more videos
Here from Perkins Builder Brothers channels latest video. He wants to build his own tool
People are on a budget, that is why the buy those pins but you block system is very nice.
Can you do a collaboration with Perkins Builder Brothers? Jamie on that channel wants to make a custom Jointer tool and working with you could be a great collaboration.
I am watching your channel because The Perkins Brothers utube channel mentioned you on their latest video. I wanted to know why they were so interested in building with you. I have watched a couple of your videos now and they are great. I will continue to watch your channel. They want to make something with you. It would be cool to watch you guys together.
Just watched Keith and Clark battle to take apart a windless for Leo. Keith mentioned he was in need of a big press. You're just the guy to make it for him. That would align 4 of my favorite RUclips channels.
Jason, watched your video this morning on why you need a fixture table. I agree with the outcome as I’m pretty much self taught and once I got my (German brand) welding table -about a year before you launched yours - and even using my 30+ year old Hobart mig, my accuracy went through the roof! Definitely a game changer and you should probably go get your money back on those weldments. Can’t wait to purchase some of your stop blocks.
What hole spacing do you have on your German (presumably Metric) bench? I'm thinking of making a purchase but not sure if the metric/imperial issue comes into play. 🤔
@@paultrgnp I’m in the states so I have imperial - Siegmund has both.
I hope you don’t mind I think what you do is fantastic and don’t get discouraged by negative comments I’m referring to the 2 frames and table comments and your response by the test only proving what you preached is correct cheers keep up the good work I m in Australia and I have bought some of your products and love them even the shipping doesn’t bother me if it’s what I want 😀
Jamie Perkins from Perkins Builder Brothers wants to get a hold of you
My favorite part of the fence blocks is, if you arrange them right you can also make a dinosaur.
The amount of thought you have put into this set up is unbelievable. Well done!
You need to help Perkins brothers with his jointer idea.
Thats why i love the self centering locking bolts from the siegmund system. no wiggle whatsoever, anyways. Great tool and great work, looking forward to see more of your tools!!
Jason, one of my favorite RUclipsrs--Perkins Builder Brothers--mentioned how much they like your channel and would love to collaborate on a build of a machine tool (large joiner). The two of you together could lead to world domination.
I rabbit-hole'd their stuff a long time ago, thanks for reminding me of their channel. Got up to the jointer+Jaime accident. Pretty grisly.
@@spblackey I agree....gruesome, but 110% admirable how he has overcome that injury with new mechanical fingers and a powerful attitude
Here's the video: ruclips.net/video/hnEe0pAuXgY/видео.html
what a blessing to have a smart and creative guy in a position to produce and sell his creations, a prophet of the metal industry slowly revolutionizing the most important details of workshops
Perkins Bro’s want to build a massive jointer table. Right up your alley
Could we get a tour of your new shop I'd love to see it and how you laid it out.
Incredible and certainly convincing. Thanks for all of your efforts to create and fabricate new tools and equipment.
Jason thank you for this video just last night I was looking on your website and trying to decide what I want to buy. I like the idea of your system compared to the rest. I was going to buy a bunch of those 1” posts I’m glad I saw this now and it makes sense looks like I’ll be ordering some 2x4 fence blocks now instead thank you!
Would love to see a video of you rebuilding your rotary positioner. You mentioned you wanted to do it one day and haven't heard about it since. Also really miss the long form videos. You are by far the most interesting fabricators on RUclips. Hands down Sir!
I just received my mag blocks and 4 fence braces blocs last week can't wait to put them to use !!
So glad I found your channel/videos. So refreshing and inspiring. You're a professional in many ways.
People in videos : I need x y z to clamp to this and make a square. Here's my 2k$ new angle super wide clamp with rotating bearing. Welder on his job : I'll tack that shit to the table and buff it after.
A triangle fence block taking up three holes would be great in order to stop wiggling in all directions and also give perfect 90s and 45s
just brilliant, you're awesome Jason
As usual another innovative yet uncomplicated design that is thoughtful, versatile, and easy to use with very reasonable pricing; you're really a credit and benefit to the commercial industry and hobbyists/makers alike, cheers 👍
I have never touched a welder but I appreciate your tools a lot
Every time I watch one of your videos, it makes me want to spend all of someone ELSE’S money…. 🤣 😂 since I don’t make a living fabricating, it would take a lottery win for me to buy all this!
Have you considered making a clamp that inserts into these blocks? Like a sliding bar clamp with the proper dowel size.
I’m not a fabricator or machinist, or even a welder but I get sucked into these videos every time. Lol and the best part is they are essentially advertisements for the tools you produce and I’m totally fine with it. There isn’t another product in existence that I’d sit and watch a 6 minute add for just for entertainment lol.
Perkins builder brothers need you to contact them
This is great information. I don't weld but i get great tips and tricks for woodworking on MFT style workbenches. The dogs have the same issues. If you want to take on woodworkers, make these and your other fixtures in aluminum for 20mm and 3/4" dog holes. The hole are on 96mm centers for the 20mm benches and usually 4" centers for the 3/4" benches. I'm told 96mm is some international standard. We just call it Festool.
Only excellence in your products Jason 👏
Hey fireball tool you should do a collaboration with Perkins builder Brothers. Watch you and have a wood jointer build.
Came thru Perkins Brothers
YOOOO THE PERKIN BROS TOLD ME TO COME HERE AND COMMENT. They want u to contact them ❤
Hi Jason. I can‘t barely wait for the 28mm system to be launched. I‘ve got a big welding table with no blocks, shims and clamps because I wait for you stuff 😄
I love the content and I miss seeing the videos on RUclips.
Brilliant engineering. Great work
I'm an "old timer" based on my age, but a total novice as a welder. I've seen tables with round pins and never questioned the concept...until now. I have a little (very little) machinist experience, but as soon as you mentioned 1-2-3 blocks (and LEGOs...gotta be honest 😂) it all made sense. If I had the room I'd become one of those "novices with the best (welding) tools" . Some of the woodworking machinery might have to go up for sale!
It just clicks with the explanation
Jason always reinvents an idea. Well done !!! The square blocks are impressive.
Just not keen on anything magnetic around metal filings. I could see myself always trying to clean/pick of swarf, metal filings from grinding, and the infamous weld spatter balls.
The next day: LEGO files a lawsuit against Fireball Tool for violation of intellectual property
Holy shit dude, that amazing. The versatility of therese blocks are just amazing. Keep it up! 👍
I went to make my first order of fireball tools and a lot of tools were out of stock, like a lot. I was going to order those small pins, but videos like these are definitely needed for us new guys. Look forward to seeing more fixtures tools used and explained in videos.
The point of round pins is it’s the easiest and cheapest to manufacture while maintaining the minimum contact you need to create a “flat plane”
Hi Jason, Jamie from The Perkins brothers builder channel wants to collaborate with you on a jointer build if you're interested?
The welders that commented weld just barn doors and maybe some fences… they don’t even deserve a high quality welding table… fixture table is a must if you are in this business of welding precision parts…
Hope you will Design a metric version to on you’re Europe site
Love it! Quick question Jason, how good is the centering of the threaded pin relative to the square or block? Was that a challenge to accomplish?
Easy it’s cut on a lathe so it’s concentric to the faces
I like how any modular jig can be boiled back down to lego lol
¡Espectacular! Felicitaciones, muchísimo ingenio en cada herramienta.
"You know that rubbish stop you've been using? Yeah, thought so. What if I gave you Lego (the world's single best building material) except upside-down? Yeah, also thought so."
I never welled anything in my life and just watched a 5 minutes long commercial, and i liked it
Awesome tutorial. As of now I use fireball squares as a main fixturing tool, I'm planing to dedicate those as an accessory to the table soon.
That's a great idea!
Perkins builders buddies are looking for some help. Check out their recent video and hit them up if it suits fireball tools
Wait, it's Fireball Tool, not Fireball Tools!? I had to hear you say it out loud while I read it, for this to register 🤣Been watching your channel for years, you definitely have more than one tool!
Just the way it goes sometimes, have you ever heard someone call themselves Joe Blows Tools and Dies?
@@--_DJ_-- What??
Have you ever heard of a mower shop called Golden Mower?
@@ToninFightsEntropy That is where the "sometimes" comes in. Not a tough concept.
@@--_DJ_-- and sometimes people have a valid point on the internet, but it's so rare it's probably not worth mentioning, just like yours.
I have no idea about any welding or anything like that, but this video made me a square believer
this is excellent!
Would it be possible to put 2 extra threaded holes in the bottom that would fit the holes at 45 degrees? It looks like there is space on the fence block.
Perkins brothers have given you a free plug because Jamie watches your videos
Hello Jason of fireball tool.
I have come into possession of a couple of ball screws that were used as the Z-axis for a 30hp CNC machine. It was replaced because it had .02 slop in it. Not very useful for the machine it was used for originally but I have found it to be incredibly low friction and it looks almost brand new. I think it would be a very interesting replacement for a thrust bearing and I bet you could easily crush your other vise build in terms of clamping force and closing speed. I have cleaned it all up and removed all the grease and swarf.
Before I cleaned it when I had it clamped vertically in the soft jaws of the forged fireball tool vise I bought from you. The greasy ball thread nut would start rotating down the ball thread with the help of gravity, clearly some very low friction involved in this screw. If I sent you this ball thread would you be interested in doing another vise build video for “science”? Not sure if you will see this since the video is two months old but this is about the only way I can find to contact you if anyone else knows a way to contact him please do share.
But when are the round pins back in stock cause I want more of them.
Building railings is way easier with the round pins because my pickets are on a 4 inch center spacing and I keep having to move my stops so I want enough to go all the way down the table
Looking to buy your large 5/8" fixture kit whenever they are in stock again!
Is anyone coming from "Perkins Builder Brothers" like me? They mentioned you, Fireball Tool, in their vlog... Building A Small Income Property | Part 42. They want a collab. You've got cool videos too,.. I'm staying/subscribing
Just a heads up......Perkins Brothers Builders would like to collaborate with you.
Perkings builder brother want to do a colab =), they are looking at making a bigger and wider jointer.
It would be cool if you guys did something together =)
you forgot about the pins stops that have an allen screw in the top that puts pressure on 3 ball bearings that push out on the chamfer on the underside of the hole and lock it in place and suck it down. A round pin is easier to machine, vs a square with 4 sides that must be parallel and perpendicular to each other. the idea of the two pin is a good idea but i have not had trouble with the pins that have the allen screw in them.
I sell ball pins. These are fence blocks
I’m really frustrated by the fact that the algorithm, for some reason, decided to stop notifying me of new videos.
As long as your table is flat I see no issues. First world problems. Most of us are blessed to have a flat cement floor to work off of.
looking forward to the metric versions
Very smart thinking and design!
Is there an o-ring setup that would work for the pins? I’ve always felt these could be made a little bit tighter with o-rings.
Very interesting and impressive!!! Thanks for your videos!!!
A simple design for a genius result
Perkins builder brothers send me here. You guys should collab.
Perkins brothers would like to work with you!!!
As always awesome stuff, some day when I grow up I will be able to buy Jason's cool tools... 😎
Awesome stuff Jason 💪
Thanks for the video.
Just wondering why not use an expanding pin to lock them into place, and stop the rocking?
You could, but it's easier, faster, less fiddly, and using a less expensive product with no moving parts that can fail or that require maintenance by simply, you know, rotating the long blocks 90° or backing it up with a second long block that's rotated 90° from the first block, the same exact way as is demonstrated in the video...
@@msytdc1577 Thanks for the reply, I understand all the failings of the system, was just wondering if it would work. Way more work to make and maintain. Fireball tools block system is way less complex and easy to use.
@@felixcosty Well, it looks like they do sell pretty much what you're talking about on their website, called a tacking bolt. They work with other fixture styles only however, as to use the locking function they require access to the top of the bolt, which obviously would be difficult when these new fixture blocks are solid hunks of metal and designed to be able to be stacked on top of one another.
@@msytdc1577 Thanks for the info will look into those.
I watched your rectangle frame video, and I think you should inform the three shops that they failed to meet specs and ask them how they want to resolve the problem.
I always enjoy your videos. Your name came up on Perkins Builder Brother you tube video. They want to build a large joiner.
nice video as always
Great advice. Keep the round pins in the "sold out" condition, the fence blocks are well thought out and executed.
ok you convinced me! we have a languimire layout table with Hole Size:0.630" +0.010" -0.005" - WILL yoru fixture blocks fit this ? YES YES eventually we will get your table! First the fixtures! Thanks
Yes it will
@@FireballTool perfect - now for our credit card!~
Jamie Perkins from Perkins builder brothers just mentioned you and is wanting to do a collaboration with you! Hit him up!
genius solution!
How about a tapered hole and matching pin? Would unfortunately be proprietary, but should also fix a lot of the problems you brought up.
I dig the block system, and think it's good for the most of us that already have tables with 5/8 holes.
Tapered pins are already a thing. Not sure if many tables have the precision needed.
Could you compromise and make a hexagonal pin? Something in between a round and a square?
Maybe a dumb question: What sizes have welding tables in countries with the metric system?