You and Venruki are the only ones who don’t hide things under the carpet. Thanks for doing that. If they don’t fix the rating system with MMR and season rating number instability then this will be devastating. They cannot wait until Midnight
Fix which mmr setting? Arena? Rated bgs? I've yet to see anyone complain about rbgs. Arena is what killed wow pvp, it's a terrible form of pvp interaction. Yes awc is fun as fuck to watch but most players don't even know it's happening when it does air. Ice said this for years, arena was cool back in bc and wrath. But today it's one of the most stale forms of content. It's anti class, anti synergy, it's been the same shit since BC. Blizzard isn't innovating in pvp, their bandaid fix it to just add another arena map. They need to let go of the past and open up the gearing track to all forms of pvp. They need to put way more into world pvp. Battlegrounds, object based play.
I have 2.2k exp in PVP, but the highest I could get this season was 1900 with MW monk. A couple of days ago I said "well, let's try to push that". after 6-8h of progress, I'm now 1700. Feels great..yeah.. great.. sure
I’m under the impression that blizzard is using healers from 1700 to 1900 MMR so they can help SS move on and help DPS climb their ladders. The matching system healers are getting from that mmr range is intended to keep healers from climbing so they keep healing those lobbies. Otherwise, they’ll quit after reaching 1800 or certain thresholds, therefore more healers shortages. Going 3-3 every SS won’t get you anywhere, and that’s what happening most of the time from 1700-2000 rating. The solution? Put an ilvl and rating requirements in those 1700 plus so no full greens or unskilled people wanting to get carry can get in the lobby. But off course they won’t do that 😂
@@Melkart777blizz throws 0-1000 cr healers into 1700-2000 mmr in almost every single game at that rating and they go 2-4 and 3-3 til they hit their 2k mmr 😂😂😂
On the surface it looks like a good change, but it also shows how they are still stuck on this idea of punishing players. I would prefer crests were simply a fixed completion reward as there is already enough penalty.
They do not respond instantly to mythic+. The m+ community has been in a turmoil throughout the entire season, almost since the very start of the season. It took blizzard several months to react with such a small adjustment. It’s not pvp that’s forgotten, it’s the entire game upkeep and balancing is deserted. I bet they have no more than 5-7 person dev team responsible for this. The amount of work they do is extremely low, I am saying this as a person that works with software and understand coding. Believe me
75% (all PvPers) of my friends list have cancelled their subs and abandoned the game. The problem is that we mistakenly believed solo shuffle would be a way for people to cut their teeth in competitive arena. However, it is unfortunate that it has become the default and murdered 2v2 and 3v3 brackets. This is understandable when one considers the alternative is grabbing a random from LFG (really no better than Solo Shuffle match making process) and then slowly but surely grinding your way up a bracket 15 points per win at a time. Instead, just Q solo shuffle, get a favorable lobby and have 2k plus MMR off your first 6/0 and gain hundreds of rating. Wash rinse repeat 4-5 times even with some 4/2 runs and you're 1800 MoG is done. Imagine if you only gained 15 points per win in shuffle. Even your first 6/0 would be less than 100 points lol. I do think bliz could fix that by adjusting rating gains in those brackets to make them more appealing like if I beat a 1900 rated team in my first match, let me get my 300+ rating gain man. This huge jump should keep happening till my Rating is even with the teams I'm competing against. Just like Solo Shuffle when my MMR and CR meet then the jumps stop. Not these silly incremental bumps all the way up from 0. Also, adjust rating gains based on participation in a particular bracket if it is low then bigger gains for wins and smaller punishments for losses. We dont have the exact numbers for these other modes but bliz does.🤷♂️
@@xiunitv4513 I certainly understand the draw particularly for the very casual players. However, we were all reasonably committed PvP players for years. I would play every class to 1800 for the MoG and push a couple that I really enjoyed that season to 2k-2100ish. The others would continue to push up and chase glad it was never my scene far too much sweat. Unfortunately, the reduced population in the actual PvP brackets has caused rating to be a nightmare particularly in 2s which is my favorite. Also, even during our sessions we are all Dads (I have 4 still school aged and 1 in the Navy) and Husbands with IRL side quests that come up. This means sitting for 20 minutes plus per Q (I have the pictures my fastest Q this week was 14 minutes) then locking in for 12-18 minutes without being able to move is highly unlikely for us. In the interest of transparency I just canceled my sub yesterday. My brother is trying to convince me to resub but I just think the devs are moving in a direction that isn't for me. It works for someone like you that wishes to drop in and get your fix I suppose but not really my thing. Not trying to be terribly rude but a ton of guys are just Qing in Shuffles hoping to get carried by stronger players. They used to be food now they are able to get paired with 2k plus experienced players who can drag them along eventually getting some rating. Ive seen guys with 2k shuffle rating whose highest rating prior to its introduction was 1500. One guy told me he was 2s focused as well but I look and he doesn't even have the 1750 Achievement lol. 🤷♂️
@@allentheaverageoldjoe dude this is the absolute truth. Ive been playing 1600-1950 since legion playing mostly just 2s and some 3s if my buddies are on getting multiple classes >100 games per season, just for fun. Solo drained everything
We are "thankful" for these changes? This is like being thankful your doctor bill went from $3500 to $3470 - sure, it is nice but it doesn't come CLOSE to resolving the issue that playing a tank or a healer is atrocious.
I really don't understand all the SUPER positive changes on RUclips. It's better than before, but I don't see any reason to be positive. Maybe I'm even more sceptical today than I was yesterday.
As a tank I honestly am not phased by this. It's just what ever. Tanks don't really feel like they are being punished. We just do our job, if anything healers have it worse. That's why nobody really wants to heal anymore
Honestly, ive been playing this game for 18 years - on and off of course, but ive played all the expansions without minding the "situation" of end game. Heck, i even enjoyed Shadowlands somewhat. 3 days ago I uninstalled and stopped my sub. I might come back to play classic, but retail just isnt worth it anymore. And as a 30 year old grown ass man with 2 kids, i hate to say this - but it actually hurts a little bit.
They have been killing pvp in the game for years, then blizzard and the players act like a surprised pikachu when no one wants to play pvp or quits pvp at the start of every expansion.
When arena started in tbc the highest I got the first season was 1700s, 2nd season just over 1800s. Finally, in season 3, I hit 2200. Every season until I quit in mop, I was able to hit anywhere from 2200-2700s with multiple characters. I came back to shadowlands, and it felt like I had start over again. Season 1 1800s, season 2 2k, season 3 2100s. Came back for solo Shuffle in DF and hit over 3k rating and multiple characters over 2400s. Now in tww I can't break 2200s in solo shuffle on my main. What I'm trying to say here is that once you reach a certain rating it usually meant you would hit it consistently every season after that and be able to play alts closer to that rating. My theory is that all the in-between players have left the game because you can no longer reach your previous rating and get higher. I know I stopped. Why keep playing when there is no reward for solo shuffle or solo bgs. Give us a damn recolored glad mount
Since SL I have been able to get 2100+ first week and an eventual 2400. I haven't been able to even crack duelist this season on my main or any of my alts. Get good you may say, yes, yes. It just feels defeating, haven't played in a month or two.
Hey man! Try solo rated BGs, the rating there seems kind of busted compared to every other bracket if you're only after the rewards. I'm struggling at 2.3 in solo atm, games are SOLID filled with glads, never had that experience before. While solo BGs almost at 3k and I'm doing nothing special there apart from going objectives
I had to drain my coffers just to enchant and gem my gear for PVP alone. And I'm someone who doesn't even bother with PVE. I'd like for them in an upcoming patch to reduce the cost to do this in the future.
Yeah, i dont think that is a problem. At the end it is a mmo rpg. It is not supposed to be like dota where you have everything unlocked and you just enter to play competitively. I am actually gratefull that it is really easy to gear up characters. About 2 weeks ago i didnt have a aingle 80 lvl character. Now i have a war fully geared pvp (just gotta farm honor for sockets) and a 638 pvp ilvl mage. Sure i played a lot but it is pretty crazy that it is so easy.
All they had to do is buff mmr early, and let people get rewards, gate keeping the rewards for us to stay subbed longer made us ultimately unsub, whats the point sitting ques and going 3-3 and losing mmr, and dont get me started with solo blitz and 3v3
i cant get past 1700 on my warrior. everytimne i get there i get bumped down to 1500. i dont have any friends that play anymore so im stuck doing solo shuffle and solo BG. not to mention ive still been damn near one shot by other warriors and rogues however ive yet to do that to anyone and have zero idea what im doing wrong despite following tons of guides
Unfortunately, people don't do pvp for that very reason, because they delete it, they don't know why and they don't know how to do it either. i have a lot of 2s, and i have found warriors who tickle me and others who erase me, and that is the difference between who wins and who doesn't
pvp aside, nothing about gate keeping has been addressed. If you are a casual player with ~2k m+ rating, nobody invites you for +8 even if your ilvl is around 620
The issue with mid-season MMR is that people at high MMR have no reason to queue. They are fully geared and are sitting at their current MMR to wait for inflation to push them higher so they are in the best spot for end of season push. When people 2400+ don't queue, there's no way for people sub 2400 to gain significant rating.
no one plays because the meta is unfun and too punishing to newer players, period. games too all over and damage needs slowed down so people can actually react. legion/bfa (mainly the first season) pacing was fine MINUS no one died because healers were overtuned. less emphasis on burst and more on sustained damage, and watch as people actually want to play because they can understand whats going on, react, learn, and play.
Gear dont drop enough in the first place in M+. The amount of grind you need to do in order to have a slight chance of getting a drop you actually need is unreal. Im still wearing a veteran weapon on my tank druid despite all other gear being hero track. Hard pass on grinding more this season. I miss dragonflight season 3
Couldn't agree more mate. Healing 3 mythic + and getting 0 gear for carrying DPS who can't even bother to install DBM feels insanely bad. And then the next 2 drops have your worst stats on them. Who the hell enjoys that? I vendored my PvE gear recently. At least I'm PvP my time is constantly rewarded and I can build BIS gear out pretty quickly
The only thing I've been seeing for the last 2 expansions is that mythic plus is a problem for the game. It's plagued with issues on a week to week basis and I'm not sure if it's worth the investment that blizzard was putting in.
The only way to improve pvp is to add the ability to play solo shuffle 3 dps vs 3 dps, and not just where each team has a healer. This will make the waiting time for the game much shorter. Because their idea that the team must have a healer is very primitive.
Once conquest cap is removed they should allow us to trade it freely (no rating requirement needed) like we can with honor gear. Why lock it @ that point? I’ve got 7 geared 70 (I just enjoy bgs & epics) & loads if conquest just sitting there. Lame.
I don't feel Blizzard has really listened. Furthermore their communication isn't great either in my opinion. A way better message would be 'we have heard your feedback about Mythic+. We currently can't/don't want to do anything about the following topics. We have been able to look into rewards and this are the changes we will be implementing. I'm very curious to see if this will have any effect at all on the players who left and if so if this effect will still be there after the Holidays. I don't think many players will return for these changes. And if they come back I'm really curious for how long these changes will get them back.
It wouldn't surprise me if this is done just to improve the Q4 figures. M+ might be an easier win than pvp. I'm really sceptical about Blizzard really caring about the player base instead of carrying about figures.
I am so tired of those 3-3 shuffle lobby's as a healer and gain 0 rating cuz we often have to deal with this 1 dps with full green gear or just being super bad. Meanwhile the other 3 dps get a garanteed 4th win.; Give healers minimum rating on 3-3 lobby's plz, like +10. But generally speaking even for DPS, looks like we need another mmr bump in shuffle, i also notice this reset seems harder then usually, maybe it's just in the mind .... specially when u wait 15-30min everytime as DPS, you start thinking about everything xD. And if you get a dissapointed lobby, it takes so long to get in a new one to get rid of bad feeling.
Took a break and came back and PvP and BG's RBG the thing I want to do. Jumped into blitz and the game start and lobby seemed like a big manipulation. Most groups I've noticed in the LFRBG was 6 and 4 of them had high expectations HOTH etc, one at 1700 and another just daily win no cr. Just doing randoms and somethings changed...I can't put my finger on it but my faction is a pale shadow of the beast it used to be! Why is this? What's changed? Now in a 40 if the initial team fights lost it's waaaa let them win (they already are lol).... After much thought it's a mix of players quitting and others going to Classic and HC which dilutes the player base and someone's going to lose. So who lost? Retail for sure but overall? Warcaft, diluting the player base has been a catastrophic mistake.
PvP is suffering way more than PvE as always, but it doesn’t matter as much to Blizz. They have two goals that they think matters for PvP. And that is to have some way for us plebs to get 1800 in some bracket, even if we suffer getting it, and the other is to keep neckbeard arena nerds, e-sporters and streamers engaged for AWC and visibility on twitch. Nothing else matters for PvP.
Idc about pve but in pvp I feel ya this week seems to be rough. Last week and week before I was crushing it and this week ouch, its hard to push when I feel I'm just gonna lose rating or stay still
Yeah this is my last season blizzard could not even figure out solo queue for rated 3v3 they went and reinvented the wheel instead.. I'm pumped for those who enjoy SS but imo its dog shot to heal oh well ggs
PVP rating system has to change it makes no sense how I lose -50 to -100+ rating for losing one game After winning the game before It’s ridiculous I think you should only lose rating if you lose two games in a row
why am i cranking 2.2 mill hps in a 6key to help friends farm....WTF im a high key healer and its absolutely ridiculous right now. soon as someone bad mouths me i peace out bc im tired of being disrespected for overperforming literally carrying the entire group in my backpack.(monk)
I wish blizzard would understand that most players would play more wow on alts if they could achieve there mains goals. Example for pve. DF s4 I did M+ i got max lv so I made lots of ults just to play new toons. This season of M+ I'm stuck at lv 630 i have to pray on the vault. I rather not so I gave up and quit. Pvp I hit 2.4 in Bgb and now I'm playing on alts having fun not really carrying about rating because I am done. In M+ is have to do 90+ dungeons and if you don't time one you get 5 gilded is tilting.
Arena is trash. I did everything you said for restro Druid but it’s still hard and boring even when I win.and feral is not S tier.The lie detector determined that was a lie.
Honestly when mmr/cr in BFA was like 3.5k it was definitely fine, ppl were enthusiastic about getting a lot of rating, it also made glad easier to achieve (while it definitely wasn't super easy back then either), but getting glad didn't put you just under r1s and career mglads. Nowadays any games we play just for the 50 wins above 2400 feel like AWC matches or queing into r1 alts xD
in SL I qued into R1s and R1 alts getting glad wins and even before 2400 lol. The population is just so small that its inevitable, espicially since those R1 players are the type of player who will have more alts as they like to try and get multi r1 in the same season on multiple characters... The worst was we kept queing into this RMP team that was legit all R1s playing on alts, except all of them alt same classes so they just essentially had like 5 toons of same classes to be able to que rmp at all times regardless of how ques were cause they could que at multiple brackets of mmr etc.. i fought same team from 2100-2700 mmr, with them gatekeeping us for a couple que sesh's at first.. this is how WoW pvp is... i don't think anything will change it.. Tbh I don't hate queing into R1s, as i think it makes me a better player by playing against them; however above 2k it shouldn't just be only R1s i guess lol, thats what kinda sucks espicially with the current mmr system as its hard to get rating so it feels bad queing into AWC players as its that much harder to get the rating back.. atleast in SL rating was as bad as it is now.. The cycle continues, every xpac blizz fucks up something horribly. been like this for as long as I can remember LOL. (ive been playing since TBC..)
I love wow, been playing for a long time but the lack of pvp care is just ridiculous. Year after year same awful pvp tuning, MMR problems, no new modes, one new arena map, one new random bg map every few years but no new rewards. You can't get glad from SS or 2x2?? Why not bring 5x5 back? Or free for all from WoD?? It's hard to care about wow at the moment, I for one stopped playing with the MMR cap (they removed too late) on top of long queues for just elite tmog reward. League of legends has It's problems but they don't gate keep us and they always without fail do pvp tuning every 2 weeks
now you know how it feels "first time *smile* meme'. BFA this is what they did to us now you are getting a taste of what we dealt with, we actually had to pvp to craft the literal bis slot in the game and gain honor to get the BIS pve trinket. so your complaint might fall on deaf ears of those who have been around at least since BFA. legion bois already knew this.
@@gruntymunky4082 there have been 6x more seasons where PvPers need to PvE than the opposite. all of tbc-cata raid weapons and trinkets were bis, im not sure about mop/wod but i believe trinkets also bis there. bfa had no pvp gear so we had to pve for vers, shadowlands we needed to do dungeons for conduits and maybe a few pieces i dont remember.
The fact that most of the community is PvP based but activision caters to the PvE community is absolutely silly. The most streamed/viewed content is pvp related... AWC beats mythic runs.... everytime.
Cute changes mythic plus lfg is just the same as PvP lfg they will always invite the better player for a smoother run. The reward structure/ system is not forgiving or achievements such as glad and ksm will never be achieved otherwise. I know it’s not a hot take but the game is much harder then literally every other game it need’s simplified and rewards need to be obtainable. Most popular and successful games have like 4/8 binds wow has like 20/30. Not a fun experience for any new player when they jump into high keys or PvP.
Compared to DF i think pvp is just dead this season, before there was tons of people in LFG q's at all times, now when you check theres always less than 20 posting even at peak time, hell im only 2100 rating in 2v2 right now and at most times i have to wait in queue for 3-6 minutes a pop... in 2v2! it has never been this long, in DF i didn't see these type of queue times until i got around 2300-2400 rating, 2100 isn't the top rating you can reach and its so slow to get games and most times its against the same team, and dont even get started on SS queue times, stoped playing that entirely.
Get rid of solo rbg blitz already it's taking from the pool of players that would join rbg groups and fix the mmr rating dragonflight it was good why would they change it? Went 18wins in a row as 0cr got only 1k rating
at this point it's almost like they want 0 pvp participation because it'd be less work for them to balance...i've been saying for awhile now i think a good thing for pvp would be to just make a completely separate client for it like how tournament realms/PTR are. you can copy characters from retail, or just create a max level, max gear, enchant, gemmed, template and be ready to queue as soon as you set up your bars. idk, i'm just taking from my own experience of back in MoP/WoD when the PTR for WoW was really popular for this very reason + you didn't need to pay a sub. It felt almost like a private server. There were thousands of players always on with an actual community always dueling in goldshire or outside org, queuing pvp, and even remember raiding during Siege of Orgrimmar. I felt like this was a really great way for people to just learn how to play the game how they would want to. It definitely had a lot to do with my progression learning the game and pvp because I was freely able to try all of these classes, learn their abilities and just go from there by practicing in duels, and eventually the arena.
Truth is there is no true wow pvp anymore since they took out specific pvp gear ( versa gear is bullshit and it's a stat also used in pve so don't give me the versa crap). Pvp in wow is basically a shadow of what it used to be and it's sad.
Cancelled my subscription today won’t be resubing they’ve killed it for me I have 8 classes get average 1800 on them some I get 2200+ the unbalanced classes are an issue when you’ve got Bm hunters Evokers and rogues with disc running the scene it’s atrocious, I made a BM in day 1 2k + in every bracket I play my arms war and struggle to get 2k and have to play like I’m in the awc I play my resto sham and I can see evokers without being snares kiting everything bm hunters smashing 3-4 buttons to do insane dps sub rogues somehow ones hitting people in duel it’s boring no competition. I ad 4 rogues In my shuffle twice in one day it’s laughable
Supa, I just found out I have a mass in one of my kidneys. I have played wow for 20 years. It is the scariest thing I have ever been told and possibly have to face. I will be stepping away from wow now and living life in the real world as much as possible. I know you are passionate about wow and make money from it. But I hope you can find something better for your life. Find you a wife, have some babies, life can change in an instant. Stay well and I hope you have a blessed road ahead.
PVP has no bright future , just look at the numbers on drustvar , or at every data analysis available on wowhead or so , 5% of the total amount of people that reach lvl 80 in TWW reached 1k rating in any bracket ( most of them probably quit at 1.5 ) so we probably have 2% of the playerbase playing PVP ; the playerbase is getting older , only a bunch of no lifes that put their personal ego on the line still hold on to it. ( or some people that never developped any passion/talent outside of wow ) coming from someone that enjoyed it and got legend last season in SS , i gotta move on . i got 2400 this season but it is a miserable experience. seeing the 2 main casters of AWC constantly publishing alarming videos is just another red flag about the state of the game. and as someone that still queues solo shuffle a few times a week i can feel it . was a good run . ( every xpac u see the same sheeps coming back and leaving after 2 weeks repeating the same thing for years ) just move on
Pvp is dead cuz mmr and the gear gap. Also the rewards are a grindfest. I mean conquest rewards are as sad as rating rewards. Imagine losing a few games in a row and drop 100s of rating then finally win 1 and gain 8-12 rating. 😂😂😂😂 Also the game is too focused on DEI and not fun. DEI is bad.
Im also left wow. Im Playing for Honor now . I can really recommend for honor for every hardcore PvP player. It’s so amazing , the learning curve is big and q times are instantly
I was one game away from 2100 for elite weps in SS and got the worst lobby matchup ever and went negative with only 2 wins lost 100 points decided to just go play hardcore classic and having way more fun
@@_bm1tv PVP participation in The War within is about 5% of the total amount of players that hit 80. based on wowhead stats ( check one of the Venruki recent videos ) so the mmo may be popular as a whole when u count classic re release , cata , official wow and private servers , but when you look only at the PVP scene on retail wow , it is definitely dead , and i'm still queuieng solo shuffle a few times a week , was legend last season , like , i'm not benefitting from saying it's dead at all but i just see it every day more and it is a sad fact. the skill gap is getting bigger and bigger every month between good players and " average " or bad players and they just get stomped and never Q again and blame the game .
@phosetgc2595😢 yep I moved on in playing Poe 2 right now and plan on playing d4 in between until ashes of creation comes out (maybe?) 😅 - so true though thanks for hanging in there brother
we're already 20 minutes + waiting for 1k5, when it's 1 hour maybe they'll open their eyes to their games WHICH IS NOT FUN WAITING TO PLAY, I'm disappointed and wow I don't miss it!
PVP gameplay and balance is better than it's ever been to be honest, rating and rewards are much easier to overhaul than gameplay. All the grifter youtubers just need to make their annual video about WOW dying.
LOL. deff not.. the gameplay is no where close to its best?... if that was true then the pro AWC players would be raving about how great the gameplay is and so would avg player.. most people dislike it and are not happy with the state of the game, its not just the reward system.. its all of it. This game is no longer an MMO, its a lobby game with insanely long que times and horrible balance. We had more balance patches this season than any other season i can remember, and that was deff not cause the specs were balanced LOL. they broke multiple specs each balance patch they made this xpac? idk how you didnt see or feel this, unless you are just that low rank or something? I log 1 day into a new patch and the entire meta is different cause people are all abusing whats broken.
The rating system is terrible That’s my only complaint I don’t understand how I lose -50 To -100+ Rating for losing one game after having previously won the game before I think you should only lose rating after losing two games in a row And I think they’re should be a rating boost after winning twice in a row
we have a 70% less participation since the start of season, that never use to happen in another season, thats is a problem... not "the die" of wow, but a big problem
You and Venruki are the only ones who don’t hide things under the carpet. Thanks for doing that. If they don’t fix the rating system with MMR and season rating number instability then this will be devastating. They cannot wait until Midnight
Fix which mmr setting? Arena? Rated bgs? I've yet to see anyone complain about rbgs.
Arena is what killed wow pvp, it's a terrible form of pvp interaction. Yes awc is fun as fuck to watch but most players don't even know it's happening when it does air.
Ice said this for years, arena was cool back in bc and wrath. But today it's one of the most stale forms of content. It's anti class, anti synergy, it's been the same shit since BC.
Blizzard isn't innovating in pvp, their bandaid fix it to just add another arena map. They need to let go of the past and open up the gearing track to all forms of pvp.
They need to put way more into world pvp. Battlegrounds, object based play.
I have 2.2k exp in PVP, but the highest I could get this season was 1900 with MW monk. A couple of days ago I said "well, let's try to push that". after 6-8h of progress, I'm now 1700. Feels great..yeah.. great.. sure
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I’m under the impression that blizzard is using healers from 1700 to 1900 MMR so they can help SS move on and help DPS climb their ladders. The matching system healers are getting from that mmr range is intended to keep healers from climbing so they keep healing those lobbies. Otherwise, they’ll quit after reaching 1800 or certain thresholds, therefore more healers shortages. Going 3-3 every SS won’t get you anywhere, and that’s what happening most of the time from 1700-2000 rating. The solution? Put an ilvl and rating requirements in those 1700 plus so no full greens or unskilled people wanting to get carry can get in the lobby. But off course they won’t do that 😂
@@Melkart777this was so sped.
Going 3-3 til 2k is not rewarding them and holding them back on WHAT planet ?
@@Melkart777blizz throws 0-1000 cr healers into 1700-2000 mmr in almost every single game at that rating and they go 2-4 and 3-3 til they hit their 2k mmr 😂😂😂
On the surface it looks like a good change, but it also shows how they are still stuck on this idea of punishing players. I would prefer crests were simply a fixed completion reward as there is already enough penalty.
Lol blizzard insta responds about Mythic + but no PvP answers for years
We are like 1-2% of the total active players, I understand if they don’t listen us
They do not respond instantly to mythic+. The m+ community has been in a turmoil throughout the entire season, almost since the very start of the season. It took blizzard several months to react with such a small adjustment. It’s not pvp that’s forgotten, it’s the entire game upkeep and balancing is deserted. I bet they have no more than 5-7 person dev team responsible for this. The amount of work they do is extremely low, I am saying this as a person that works with software and understand coding. Believe me
We are only 5% of the player base, a drop in the bucket.
More players in SoD and Hard-core than retail pvp
@@tomazou2010 maybe if they spend more time on it, more might actually want to play it ? : >
75% (all PvPers) of my friends list have cancelled their subs and abandoned the game. The problem is that we mistakenly believed solo shuffle would be a way for people to cut their teeth in competitive arena. However, it is unfortunate that it has become the default and murdered 2v2 and 3v3 brackets. This is understandable when one considers the alternative is grabbing a random from LFG (really no better than Solo Shuffle match making process) and then slowly but surely grinding your way up a bracket 15 points per win at a time. Instead, just Q solo shuffle, get a favorable lobby and have 2k plus MMR off your first 6/0 and gain hundreds of rating. Wash rinse repeat 4-5 times even with some 4/2 runs and you're 1800 MoG is done. Imagine if you only gained 15 points per win in shuffle. Even your first 6/0 would be less than 100 points lol. I do think bliz could fix that by adjusting rating gains in those brackets to make them more appealing like if I beat a 1900 rated team in my first match, let me get my 300+ rating gain man. This huge jump should keep happening till my Rating is even with the teams I'm competing against. Just like Solo Shuffle when my MMR and CR meet then the jumps stop. Not these silly incremental bumps all the way up from 0. Also, adjust rating gains based on participation in a particular bracket if it is low then bigger gains for wins and smaller punishments for losses. We dont have the exact numbers for these other modes but bliz does.🤷♂️
Well said 👏
@thetruthreport5 gratitude 🫡
without solo shuffle i'd go from playing once every few months for a few months to literally never ngl 💀
@@xiunitv4513 I certainly understand the draw particularly for the very casual players. However, we were all reasonably committed PvP players for years. I would play every class to 1800 for the MoG and push a couple that I really enjoyed that season to 2k-2100ish. The others would continue to push up and chase glad it was never my scene far too much sweat. Unfortunately, the reduced population in the actual PvP brackets has caused rating to be a nightmare particularly in 2s which is my favorite. Also, even during our sessions we are all Dads (I have 4 still school aged and 1 in the Navy) and Husbands with IRL side quests that come up. This means sitting for 20 minutes plus per Q (I have the pictures my fastest Q this week was 14 minutes) then locking in for 12-18 minutes without being able to move is highly unlikely for us. In the interest of transparency I just canceled my sub yesterday. My brother is trying to convince me to resub but I just think the devs are moving in a direction that isn't for me. It works for someone like you that wishes to drop in and get your fix I suppose but not really my thing. Not trying to be terribly rude but a ton of guys are just Qing in Shuffles hoping to get carried by stronger players. They used to be food now they are able to get paired with 2k plus experienced players who can drag them along eventually getting some rating. Ive seen guys with 2k shuffle rating whose highest rating prior to its introduction was 1500. One guy told me he was 2s focused as well but I look and he doesn't even have the 1750 Achievement lol. 🤷♂️
@@allentheaverageoldjoe dude this is the absolute truth. Ive been playing 1600-1950 since legion playing mostly just 2s and some 3s if my buddies are on getting multiple classes >100 games per season, just for fun. Solo drained everything
We are "thankful" for these changes? This is like being thankful your doctor bill went from $3500 to $3470 - sure, it is nice but it doesn't come CLOSE to resolving the issue that playing a tank or a healer is atrocious.
I really don't understand all the SUPER positive changes on RUclips. It's better than before, but I don't see any reason to be positive. Maybe I'm even more sceptical today than I was yesterday.
As a tank I honestly am not phased by this. It's just what ever. Tanks don't really feel like they are being punished. We just do our job, if anything healers have it worse. That's why nobody really wants to heal anymore
Honestly, ive been playing this game for 18 years - on and off of course, but ive played all the expansions without minding the "situation" of end game. Heck, i even enjoyed Shadowlands somewhat.
3 days ago I uninstalled and stopped my sub. I might come back to play classic, but retail just isnt worth it anymore. And as a 30 year old grown ass man with 2 kids, i hate to say this - but it actually hurts a little bit.
Basically the same story as me. I'm 32, kid, job, etc. I just log on now for casual Classic vibes.
I enjoyed Shadowlands. That was the first time I ever played wow at all
Blizz being asleep on the wheel, sadly nothing new.
Unfortunately Blizzard doesn't care ma boys, so the only way to fix mmr system is to cancel sub... worked for me!
They have been killing pvp in the game for years, then blizzard and the players act like a surprised pikachu when no one wants to play pvp or quits pvp at the start of every expansion.
Pretty sure no 1 at blizzard cares at what 2% of the active players moan about.
They want everyone in BG Blitz
Me thinks the lawyer pretending to be a lead game designer wasnt good at pvp so he doesnt care about it.
When arena started in tbc the highest I got the first season was 1700s, 2nd season just over 1800s. Finally, in season 3, I hit 2200. Every season until I quit in mop, I was able to hit anywhere from 2200-2700s with multiple characters. I came back to shadowlands, and it felt like I had start over again. Season 1 1800s, season 2 2k, season 3 2100s. Came back for solo Shuffle in DF and hit over 3k rating and multiple characters over 2400s. Now in tww I can't break 2200s in solo shuffle on my main. What I'm trying to say here is that once you reach a certain rating it usually meant you would hit it consistently every season after that and be able to play alts closer to that rating. My theory is that all the in-between players have left the game because you can no longer reach your previous rating and get higher. I know I stopped. Why keep playing when there is no reward for solo shuffle or solo bgs. Give us a damn recolored glad mount
Since SL I have been able to get 2100+ first week and an eventual 2400. I haven't been able to even crack duelist this season on my main or any of my alts. Get good you may say, yes, yes. It just feels defeating, haven't played in a month or two.
You play healer or dps?
Hey man! Try solo rated BGs, the rating there seems kind of busted compared to every other bracket if you're only after the rewards. I'm struggling at 2.3 in solo atm, games are SOLID filled with glads, never had that experience before. While solo BGs almost at 3k and I'm doing nothing special there apart from going objectives
I had to drain my coffers just to enchant and gem my gear for PVP alone. And I'm someone who doesn't even bother with PVE. I'd like for them in an upcoming patch to reduce the cost to do this in the future.
Lmao bro it’s part of the rpg experience
Yeah, i dont think that is a problem. At the end it is a mmo rpg. It is not supposed to be like dota where you have everything unlocked and you just enter to play competitively.
I am actually gratefull that it is really easy to gear up characters. About 2 weeks ago i didnt have a aingle 80 lvl character. Now i have a war fully geared pvp (just gotta farm honor for sockets) and a 638 pvp ilvl mage. Sure i played a lot but it is pretty crazy that it is so easy.
All they had to do is buff mmr early, and let people get rewards, gate keeping the rewards for us to stay subbed longer made us ultimately unsub, whats the point sitting ques and going 3-3 and losing mmr, and dont get me started with solo blitz and 3v3
i cant get past 1700 on my warrior. everytimne i get there i get bumped down to 1500. i dont have any friends that play anymore so im stuck doing solo shuffle and solo BG. not to mention ive still been damn near one shot by other warriors and rogues however ive yet to do that to anyone and have zero idea what im doing wrong despite following tons of guides
Unfortunately, people don't do pvp for that very reason, because they delete it, they don't know why and they don't know how to do it either. i have a lot of 2s, and i have found warriors who tickle me and others who erase me, and that is the difference between who wins and who doesn't
pvp aside, nothing about gate keeping has been addressed. If you are a casual player with ~2k m+ rating, nobody invites you for +8 even if your ilvl is around 620
The issue with mid-season MMR is that people at high MMR have no reason to queue. They are fully geared and are sitting at their current MMR to wait for inflation to push them higher so they are in the best spot for end of season push. When people 2400+ don't queue, there's no way for people sub 2400 to gain significant rating.
They have to make the PVE & PVP more accessible, more progressive more rewarding. The game now is way too hard and punitive!
no one plays because the meta is unfun and too punishing to newer players, period. games too all over and damage needs slowed down so people can actually react. legion/bfa (mainly the first season) pacing was fine MINUS no one died because healers were overtuned. less emphasis on burst and more on sustained damage, and watch as people actually want to play because they can understand whats going on, react, learn, and play.
Gear dont drop enough in the first place in M+. The amount of grind you need to do in order to have a slight chance of getting a drop you actually need is unreal. Im still wearing a veteran weapon on my tank druid despite all other gear being hero track. Hard pass on grinding more this season. I miss dragonflight season 3
Couldn't agree more mate. Healing 3 mythic + and getting 0 gear for carrying DPS who can't even bother to install DBM feels insanely bad. And then the next 2 drops have your worst stats on them. Who the hell enjoys that? I vendored my PvE gear recently. At least I'm PvP my time is constantly rewarded and I can build BIS gear out pretty quickly
i came back this szn after 2 year break and already quit again. wow pvp is just boring will never change. was only fun first 2 months
Probably ur bad
@@jeff230394 i am bad i only got 2500+ on 5 toons b4 i quit. got r1 on 2 wars b4 i quit 2.5 yrs ago. U GOT ME
The only thing I've been seeing for the last 2 expansions is that mythic plus is a problem for the game. It's plagued with issues on a week to week basis and I'm not sure if it's worth the investment that blizzard was putting in.
Couldn't care less anymore. It's a bit too late to try to fix season 1 at this point.
Upgrade and crest system is so “elegant” thank you Ion for more of this nonsense
The state of MMR killed my motivation to keep leveling alts and gearing them for PvP… sucks because I miss the fun
The only way to improve pvp is to add the ability to play solo shuffle 3 dps vs 3 dps, and not just where each team has a healer. This will make the waiting time for the game much shorter.
Because their idea that the team must have a healer is very primitive.
MMR is not the problem. Tying the rewards system to MMR is the problem.
Once conquest cap is removed they should allow us to trade it freely (no rating requirement needed) like we can with honor gear. Why lock it @ that point? I’ve got 7 geared 70 (I just enjoy bgs & epics) & loads if conquest just sitting there. Lame.
I don't feel Blizzard has really listened. Furthermore their communication isn't great either in my opinion. A way better message would be 'we have heard your feedback about Mythic+. We currently can't/don't want to do anything about the following topics. We have been able to look into rewards and this are the changes we will be implementing. I'm very curious to see if this will have any effect at all on the players who left and if so if this effect will still be there after the Holidays. I don't think many players will return for these changes. And if they come back I'm really curious for how long these changes will get them back.
I’ve been getting 1800 on every class. This week grinded to a slow churn with long queues. I only have 2 classes left and I feel like it’s harder now
just make 3/3 give some points and everyone is happy goddamn
It wouldn't surprise me if this is done just to improve the Q4 figures. M+ might be an easier win than pvp. I'm really sceptical about Blizzard really caring about the player base instead of carrying about figures.
I am so tired of those 3-3 shuffle lobby's as a healer and gain 0 rating cuz we often have to deal with this 1 dps with full green gear or just being super bad. Meanwhile the other 3 dps get a garanteed 4th win.; Give healers minimum rating on 3-3 lobby's plz, like +10. But generally speaking even for DPS, looks like we need another mmr bump in shuffle, i also notice this reset seems harder then usually, maybe it's just in the mind .... specially when u wait 15-30min everytime as DPS, you start thinking about everything xD. And if you get a dissapointed lobby, it takes so long to get in a new one to get rid of bad feeling.
Lol y'all still surprised that PvP is forgotten? 😂 I swear even HoTS players catch on quicker
Took a break and came back and PvP and BG's RBG the thing I want to do. Jumped into blitz and the game start and lobby seemed like a big manipulation. Most groups I've noticed in the LFRBG was 6 and 4 of them had high expectations HOTH etc, one at 1700 and another just daily win no cr. Just doing randoms and somethings changed...I can't put my finger on it but my faction is a pale shadow of the beast it used to be! Why is this? What's changed? Now in a 40 if the initial team fights lost it's waaaa let them win (they already are lol)....
After much thought it's a mix of players quitting and others going to Classic and HC which dilutes the player base and someone's going to lose. So who lost? Retail for sure but overall? Warcaft, diluting the player base has been a catastrophic mistake.
PvP is suffering way more than PvE as always, but it doesn’t matter as much to Blizz. They have two goals that they think matters for PvP. And that is to have some way for us plebs to get 1800 in some bracket, even if we suffer getting it, and the other is to keep neckbeard arena nerds, e-sporters and streamers engaged for AWC and visibility on twitch. Nothing else matters for PvP.
Idc about pve but in pvp I feel ya this week seems to be rough. Last week and week before I was crushing it and this week ouch, its hard to push when I feel I'm just gonna lose rating or stay still
Cries in World PVP :(
Yeah this is my last season blizzard could not even figure out solo queue for rated 3v3 they went and reinvented the wheel instead.. I'm pumped for those who enjoy SS but imo its dog shot to heal oh well ggs
PVP rating system
has to change it makes no sense how I lose -50 to -100+ rating for losing one game
After winning the game before
It’s ridiculous
I think you should only lose rating if you lose two games in a row
why am i cranking 2.2 mill hps in a 6key to help friends farm....WTF im a high key healer and its absolutely ridiculous right now. soon as someone bad mouths me i peace out bc im tired of being disrespected for overperforming literally carrying the entire group in my backpack.(monk)
I wish blizzard would understand that most players would play more wow on alts if they could achieve there mains goals. Example for pve. DF s4 I did M+ i got max lv so I made lots of ults just to play new toons. This season of M+ I'm stuck at lv 630 i have to pray on the vault. I rather not so I gave up and quit. Pvp I hit 2.4 in Bgb and now I'm playing on alts having fun not really carrying about rating because I am done. In M+ is have to do 90+ dungeons and if you don't time one you get 5 gilded is tilting.
Arena is trash. I did everything you said for restro Druid but it’s still hard and boring even when I win.and feral is not S tier.The lie detector determined that was a lie.
I think PvP is great.
It’s just mmr and rewards they need to fix.
If you never been glad you should never have to go against a glad . IMO
Honestly when mmr/cr in BFA was like 3.5k it was definitely fine, ppl were enthusiastic about getting a lot of rating, it also made glad easier to achieve (while it definitely wasn't super easy back then either), but getting glad didn't put you just under r1s and career mglads. Nowadays any games we play just for the 50 wins above 2400 feel like AWC matches or queing into r1 alts xD
in SL I qued into R1s and R1 alts getting glad wins and even before 2400 lol. The population is just so small that its inevitable, espicially since those R1 players are the type of player who will have more alts as they like to try and get multi r1 in the same season on multiple characters...
The worst was we kept queing into this RMP team that was legit all R1s playing on alts, except all of them alt same classes so they just essentially had like 5 toons of same classes to be able to que rmp at all times regardless of how ques were cause they could que at multiple brackets of mmr etc.. i fought same team from 2100-2700 mmr, with them gatekeeping us for a couple que sesh's at first.. this is how WoW pvp is... i don't think anything will change it.. Tbh I don't hate queing into R1s, as i think it makes me a better player by playing against them; however above 2k it shouldn't just be only R1s i guess lol, thats what kinda sucks espicially with the current mmr system as its hard to get rating so it feels bad queing into AWC players as its that much harder to get the rating back.. atleast in SL rating was as bad as it is now..
The cycle continues, every xpac blizz fucks up something horribly. been like this for as long as I can remember LOL. (ive been playing since TBC..)
This sucks. Tryed to do arena long ques
Ofc the mmr was broken this Week cause i wasnt on for 5 days so the playbase dropped from 3 Players to 2
I don’t know why they neglect pvp so much. Really unfortunate. Till then I’ll just enjoy classic
Me skipping this entire video because I haven’t done a mythic plus since bfa lmao
I love wow, been playing for a long time but the lack of pvp care is just ridiculous. Year after year same awful pvp tuning, MMR problems, no new modes, one new arena map, one new random bg map every few years but no new rewards. You can't get glad from SS or 2x2?? Why not bring 5x5 back? Or free for all from WoD??
It's hard to care about wow at the moment, I for one stopped playing with the MMR cap (they removed too late) on top of long queues for just elite tmog reward. League of legends has It's problems but they don't gate keep us and they always without fail do pvp tuning every 2 weeks
As a only pvper I hate all the PVE they are forcing us to have to do to craft anything
now you know how it feels "first time *smile* meme'. BFA this is what they did to us now you are getting a taste of what we dealt with, we actually had to pvp to craft the literal bis slot in the game and gain honor to get the BIS pve trinket. so your complaint might fall on deaf ears of those who have been around at least since BFA. legion bois already knew this.
You don't have to do any PVE to craft PVP gear. What are you refering to?
@@gruntymunky4082bfa was the worse for pvpers, pvp gear was useless. Every PvP bis item was pve gear. Pvpers were forced to 10s every week.
@@gruntymunky4082 there have been 6x more seasons where PvPers need to PvE than the opposite. all of tbc-cata raid weapons and trinkets were bis, im not sure about mop/wod but i believe trinkets also bis there. bfa had no pvp gear so we had to pve for vers, shadowlands we needed to do dungeons for conduits and maybe a few pieces i dont remember.
At least make it so players get full transmog set and till rival 1 without dropping mmr that would be greath
Yea I just quit the game till they start addressing PvP been focusing on other PvP games
PvP is the most toxic. Anyone new or even old players would get the most hateful imaginable message for the smallest mistakes.
The fact that most of the community is PvP based but activision caters to the PvE community is absolutely silly.
The most streamed/viewed content is pvp related... AWC beats mythic runs.... everytime.
i was gladiator now i am npc killer in mytic + 😂
Cute changes mythic plus lfg is just the same as PvP lfg they will always invite the better player for a smoother run. The reward structure/ system is not forgiving or achievements such as glad and ksm will never be achieved otherwise. I know it’s not a hot take but the game is much harder then literally every other game it need’s simplified and rewards need to be obtainable. Most popular and successful games have like 4/8 binds wow has like 20/30. Not a fun experience for any new player when they jump into high keys or PvP.
if they care about their own game, and their players. they would remove the cap on flight stones, and make the crests warbound.
pvp is dead after MoP.
Their PvE changes don’t help the fact the PvE keys are boring lol they just don’t care
Compared to DF i think pvp is just dead this season, before there was tons of people in LFG q's at all times, now when you check theres always less than 20 posting even at peak time, hell im only 2100 rating in 2v2 right now and at most times i have to wait in queue for 3-6 minutes a pop... in 2v2! it has never been this long, in DF i didn't see these type of queue times until i got around 2300-2400 rating, 2100 isn't the top rating you can reach and its so slow to get games and most times its against the same team, and dont even get started on SS queue times, stoped playing that entirely.
Well I'm a noob playing unholy at 2k, and every lobby it seems like I'm the only one without a glad mount :(
Please man, talk to blizzard about thêm neglecting PvP
Get rid of solo rbg blitz already it's taking from the pool of players that would join rbg groups and fix the mmr rating dragonflight it was good why would they change it? Went 18wins in a row as 0cr got only 1k rating
at this point it's almost like they want 0 pvp participation because it'd be less work for them to balance...i've been saying for awhile now i think a good thing for pvp would be to just make a completely separate client for it like how tournament realms/PTR are. you can copy characters from retail, or just create a max level, max gear, enchant, gemmed, template and be ready to queue as soon as you set up your bars. idk, i'm just taking from my own experience of back in MoP/WoD when the PTR for WoW was really popular for this very reason + you didn't need to pay a sub. It felt almost like a private server. There were thousands of players always on with an actual community always dueling in goldshire or outside org, queuing pvp, and even remember raiding during Siege of Orgrimmar. I felt like this was a really great way for people to just learn how to play the game how they would want to. It definitely had a lot to do with my progression learning the game and pvp because I was freely able to try all of these classes, learn their abilities and just go from there by practicing in duels, and eventually the arena.
You know PVP is neglected when PVP youtubers are covering PVE changes.
Sorry folks but m+ is more popular than pvp so ofcourse it's going to get priority.
Maybe all the Rank 1 are Really 2200 Player 🤣
Less players there are, the less the rating is. If it will reduce further, rank 1 will be 1900
Go W O K E ... Go Bro ke 😂😂
Shitty mmr sytem, bloated classes, game is a joke
The game has so much bloat it’s a fuggin joke. These developers don’t know what they are doing….
Truth is there is no true wow pvp anymore since they took out specific pvp gear ( versa gear is bullshit and it's a stat also used in pve so don't give me the versa crap). Pvp in wow is basically a shadow of what it used to be and it's sad.
400 ppl play pvp, just quit until they rework it.
Cancelled my subscription today won’t be resubing they’ve killed it for me I have 8 classes get average 1800 on them some I get 2200+ the unbalanced classes are an issue when you’ve got Bm hunters Evokers and rogues with disc running the scene it’s atrocious, I made a BM in day 1 2k + in every bracket I play my arms war and struggle to get 2k and have to play like I’m in the awc I play my resto sham and I can see evokers without being snares kiting everything bm hunters smashing 3-4 buttons to do insane dps sub rogues somehow ones hitting people in duel it’s boring no competition. I ad 4 rogues In my shuffle twice in one day it’s laughable
Errm you have problems with rogues as an arms warrior at 1,800? Yikes 😂
@ no I play 8 chars I have problems with rogues on 2 knew some smart ass kid would make a comment
you just noob .
@@Михайло-д2п your a noob probs 1500 lol
@@nikoshelley9542 so why are you mentioning rogues then? Every class has some issues with other classes, but mentioning Rogues after all the nerfs lol
WoW just needs a FULL reset.. no more retail, just make a whole new WoW 2. Start fresh. But new stories and expansions build off of Classic tbh...
Supa, I just found out I have a mass in one of my kidneys. I have played wow for 20 years. It is the scariest thing I have ever been told and possibly have to face. I will be stepping away from wow now and living life in the real world as much as possible. I know you are passionate about wow and make money from it. But I hope you can find something better for your life. Find you a wife, have some babies, life can change in an instant. Stay well and I hope you have a blessed road ahead.
The strange thing is that this is the first season where I scored 3k cr in a pvp bracket 😅
let me guess: its blitz
@Fabolousyo ye man 😀
PVP has no bright future , just look at the numbers on drustvar , or at every data analysis available on wowhead or so , 5% of the total amount of people that reach lvl 80 in TWW reached 1k rating in any bracket ( most of them probably quit at 1.5 ) so we probably have 2% of the playerbase playing PVP ; the playerbase is getting older , only a bunch of no lifes that put their personal ego on the line still hold on to it. ( or some people that never developped any passion/talent outside of wow ) coming from someone that enjoyed it and got legend last season in SS , i gotta move on . i got 2400 this season but it is a miserable experience.
seeing the 2 main casters of AWC constantly publishing alarming videos is just another red flag about the state of the game. and as someone that still queues solo shuffle a few times a week i can feel it . was a good run . ( every xpac u see the same sheeps coming back and leaving after 2 weeks repeating the same thing for years ) just move on
Pvp is dead cuz mmr and the gear gap. Also the rewards are a grindfest. I mean conquest rewards are as sad as rating rewards.
Imagine losing a few games in a row and drop 100s of rating then finally win 1 and gain 8-12 rating. 😂😂😂😂
Also the game is too focused on DEI and not fun. DEI is bad.
REMOVE SOLO BRACKETS !
wut is pvp?
Im also left wow.
Im Playing for Honor now .
I can really recommend for honor for every hardcore PvP player.
It’s so amazing , the learning curve is big and q times are instantly
I was one game away from 2100 for elite weps in SS and got the worst lobby matchup ever and went negative with only 2 wins lost 100 points decided to just go play hardcore classic and having way more fun
The game is dead just move on
Why the fuck are YOU HERE then...
It’s the most popular mmo lol what
@@_bm1tv PVP participation in The War within is about 5% of the total amount of players that hit 80. based on wowhead stats ( check one of the Venruki recent videos ) so the mmo may be popular as a whole when u count classic re release , cata , official wow and private servers , but when you look only at the PVP scene on retail wow , it is definitely dead , and i'm still queuieng solo shuffle a few times a week , was legend last season , like , i'm not benefitting from saying it's dead at all but i just see it every day more and it is a sad fact. the skill gap is getting bigger and bigger every month between good players and " average " or bad players and they just get stomped and never Q again and blame the game .
@phosetgc2595 damn, nerds need to start playing it, it’s the best game
@phosetgc2595😢 yep I moved on in playing Poe 2 right now and plan on playing d4 in between until ashes of creation comes out (maybe?) 😅 - so true though thanks for hanging in there brother
we're already 20 minutes + waiting for 1k5, when it's 1 hour maybe they'll open their eyes to their games WHICH IS NOT FUN WAITING TO PLAY, I'm disappointed and wow I don't miss it!
PvP has been dead for awhile lol, it’s not coming back in the current format
too late
Hell yea bro they respond to pvp being forgotten with pve changes and then we have you with your troll click bait titles which have zero relevance 🙄
PVP gameplay and balance is better than it's ever been to be honest, rating and rewards are much easier to overhaul than gameplay. All the grifter youtubers just need to make their annual video about WOW dying.
LOL. deff not.. the gameplay is no where close to its best?... if that was true then the pro AWC players would be raving about how great the gameplay is and so would avg player.. most people dislike it and are not happy with the state of the game, its not just the reward system.. its all of it. This game is no longer an MMO, its a lobby game with insanely long que times and horrible balance. We had more balance patches this season than any other season i can remember, and that was deff not cause the specs were balanced LOL. they broke multiple specs each balance patch they made this xpac? idk how you didnt see or feel this, unless you are just that low rank or something? I log 1 day into a new patch and the entire meta is different cause people are all abusing whats broken.
The rating system is terrible
That’s my only complaint
I don’t understand
how I lose -50 To -100+
Rating for losing one game after having previously won the game before
I think you should only lose rating after losing two games in a row
And
I think they’re should be a rating boost after winning twice in a row
we have a 70% less participation since the start of season, that never use to happen in another season, thats is a problem... not "the die" of wow, but a big problem
That’s what happens when rush a mmo incomplete dumb assses
Im unsubbing
The game is good stop being depressed, people might think it's a bad game, eh
your intro is too long