Catherine of Aragon is widowed (s03e10)
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Arthur Tudor, the Prince of Wales, dies suddenly in 1502, leaving his young wife Catherine of Aragon a widow just after 5 months of marriage.
Isabel s03e10 - Isabella and Ferdinand or Joanna and Philip
'Isabel' is a Spanish TV series about the life of Isabella I, Queen regnant of Castile, one of the most important Spanish monarchs, from her childhood years till her death after 3 decades of ruling.
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Little Henry was such a sweetheart! To think he'd grow so cold to Catherine!
Historically, he seemed a kind and friendly person in his teen years, especially to Catherine. I think he is one of those people whose personality was twisted and corrupted by the immense power he got. And also the pressing responsibility to continue his father's work and dynasty and avoid another civil war (which his father ended).
Who would have thought Henry would be so cruel to Catherine and behave so despicably twenty years later ?
Sadly, a lot can happen in 20 years. We can see it in the divorces of our days too 😞
@@Lily1127channel Yes, but Henry reacted not as an enlightened and renaissance king who lived in a humanist court, but as a typical feudal lord who banished and punished his wife in the same way Henry II did to Eleanor of Aquitaine or Dinis of Portugal to Isabel de Aragón when they dared to support their sons against their husbands. He wasn´t , in reality a renaissance king, he was still a feudal lord in spite of his upbringing and education.The fact that Thomas More was sentenced to death by his order proves it even further.
@@Belinda8881 you are totally right, so he was basically a bad and narrow minded or even a sociopathic man who deserved any power or love!
THANK YOU! Finally, a show that uses a child actor, or at least a convincing teenager, for Henry!
When Isabel stumbled off the throne, I began to worry. Lili1127 you are a blessing for posting these videos.
Poor Arthur he could be a better husband,father and ruler than that worthless and murderer Henry 😒
Also i would really wish to see some Arthur and Catherine interaction, poor young couple 💔😔
@@MysonEggAndHisbrotherCheese Henry was intended for the church, I believe, but fate made him king of England.
@@Belinda8881 maybe it's because he must bring Elizabeth to this world, she was the only good thing he made 😄
@@MysonEggAndHisbrotherCheese Queen Elizabeth was a renaissance queen , the greatest queen of England. She must have been influenced by all those humanists teachings to have become the great queen she was.
@@Belinda8881 and of course the traumas and mistakes that she, her sister Mary,her mother and other wives of Henry suffered were all an example and great lesson for her, she choose to learn from them and be better, maybe not the best but definitely better
Wonderful acting by Natalia Rodriguez and the young actor that plays nine year old Henry.
I think that Henry was ten at the time of Catherine's marriage to Arthur. My maths could be wrong though.
2:23 the crucial moment...
Lili1127 I understand it’s the point when Catalina tells Henry VII that she and Arthur was unable to consummate their marriage. The truth that was the focal point was the point of Henry VIII “great matter”.
@@ameliabell2509 Yes. She just says it to let the king know that there's no chance to have Arthur's baby. There was no other importance of it until the 1520s. Prince Henry himself couldn't care less.
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How different Katherine’s life would have turned out if she went back to Castile after the death of Arthur, instead of staying in England and later marrying young Henry who would grow to be Henry VIII.
Anyone else notice the change in music when Isabel kind of stumbled when getting off her throne?
The sign of the cancer which will take her life soon.
I always wonder how come she never went back home to Spain after her and Henry's marriage, I wonder if it's because of their daughter Mary and that's why she never went back to Spain. What do you think?
No matter how much we may dislike Henry the VIII - in his later live - and his terrible treatment of Catherine of Aragon (and many of his subsequent wives/Queens). Boy, his father: King Henry VII, looks like he was a real piece of s#*t. Especially in the way they chose to portray him in this Spanish TV series. (Than again even many British historians don't have a favourable view of this particular King). But the "adversaries" of the Spanish Court sure don't come off well in this show 😅.
@@thebullqueen , I think there was not real way back, to Spain, for "Queen" Catherine of Aragon after 24 years of marriage. I think her deep sense of purpose, place & destiny made her stay put in England. Not even retreating into a Nunnery (in England) after her marriage with Henry VIII was "dissolved" in 1533. She clung to her rightful identity as Queen of England. And in how far she could (by staying on English soil) have been a real help/support to her daughter "princess" Mary, I'm not sure. As both their royal positions/titles were now disputed and she was forbidden to even see Mary in person. So the contact between mother & daughter could only have been through their letters and visits from Spanish dignitaries/embassadors.✌🏻
Poor Catalina, having to cope with the loss of her siblings and now husband. Henry VII and fernando are so insensitive, they’re all about business and money. Also I keep noticing in the series that they say Ludlow is in England when in fact it’s in Wales. Gracias lili! I look forward to seeing more 😊
Yeah but technically it belonged to the Kingdom of England back then, so I guess that's why.
They are fathers but they are also POLITICIANS.
Ferdinand was always a politician first and being a father had a much much lower priority for him. Maybe Henry was somewhat better for his own children.
Magdalenkaization the quality of being a parent and a politician suited Isabella rather than fernando and Henry VII. Isabella knows how to balance these two qualities where as fernando does not. There’s a scene in the series where she shouts at him “ think with your heart instead of your head, for once in your life!! “ after Isabella’s death he locks away Joanna in a convent and barely visited her, while he also refused to send Catherine any money, leaving her in poverty in England. it is possible to be a caring parent and good monarch at the same time, all it requires is balance. Isabella knew this, Ferdinand did not.
Lili1127 I agree
Isn't King Henry VII too old?
He was just 45 when Prince Arthur died.
Yes, the actor they casted is significantly older than 45. In his 60s, I think. While Henry has a 10-year-old son... 😄
I saw English people who are in their late 40's and they look like 60's. This is normal to see that people who are white get old sooner than people with other skin colour.
Why did the cast such an old man to play Henry VII? He was forty five and war hardened from youth but still he didnt start looking his age till later
come on!!! talking about the age of a old king meanwhile in British series show the spanish people like moors or even black or Maria Doyle Kennedy who seems thee mother of Henry not the wife in The Tudors...pfffffffff
Quel radin ce Henri VII. Pauvre Catherine, traitée comme un morceau de viande
Who would have know little Henry would have grown up, divorce his first wife, behead two of his other wives, and marry more times than Geraldo Rivera…lol
If this isn't literary license, as the story is being told from a Spanish point of view, then it's surprising that Princess Catherine absolutely refused to allow a midwife to examine her for her virginity. That makes me all the more suspicious of her desire to be taken only at her word. I wonder if Henry VII could have kept the dowry if he had simply sent Catherine away to a convent. It is my contention if young Prince Henry had been made to marry someone else, IF his heirs were female he would have had to try very hard to get an annulment- contrary to popular opinion, he didn't seek a divorce. Thank you for showing this series.
In her position I would do the same. She's the daughter of two monarchs in their own right, having a midwife probe her in front of the whole court to check if she's lying would be a humiliation and a violation. She wouldn't even have a reason to lie at this point in time (and later on with her marriage to Henry, the Pope issued two separate dispensations for the marriage, one assuming she was a virgin and the other just in case she wasn't). Unlike her father, she wasn't of the "ends justify the means" mentality, the fierce religiosity she inherited from her mother would prevent her from lying on the pain of the eternal damnation of her soul.
@@annemary9680 Of course we are assuming that she would die, before confessing such a sin; of course one would assume that Catherine believed in the grace of final repentance so such an eternal fate would not happen. The larger problem here is that Kings would not resign themselves to providence in marriages that they were in that they found unacceptable for one reason or another; this is the reason that they would petition the Pope to grant annulments ( not divorces, as some accused Henry VIII of doing). His problem was that Catherine's nephew Emperor Charles V had made the Pope of that time a virtual prisoner and ruled the Papal states and lands. Now if Charles had been fair and had realized the anxiety of not having a Male heir to rule in England and had put his feelings for his aunt aside, then things might have been different. We will never know if such frustrations in knowing that other monarchs got annulments easily while he could not, drove Henry to become tyrannical or if he was tyrannical in his personality. His boyhood as seen here seems to indicate that he wasn't a tyrant by nature.
I also concur a tad too much of a prideful nature in Catherine; being so devout what would have been the harm of trying to see things as the Tudors did; not all people take to being ruled by Queens no matter how capable they were. Just think if she had stepped aside for the good of her country, England and had taken the veil, either in Austria, Burgundy or even Portugal. A bit more humility, especially as she was the older and perhaps should have been the more sacrificial between herself and Henry, would have made for a greater chance of peace, at least until John Knox converted Scotland to Calvinism. Let us pray for peace in today's tumultuous Northern Ireland during the Easter Season; such a tragic situation.
@@annemary9680 well said, it’s kinda a matter of pride, that checking me? Who the fuck do you think I am? How bloody dare of you to doubt words out of my mouth? The mere fact that you dare to do so would already be a grave insult.
But yeah as someone else said her refusal to do so seems suspicious, even if she wasn’t lie it make people outside wonder
Catherine should have ruled in Spain instead of Joanna.
What weakness of Arthur? Only supposed weakness ever reported in Arthur's lifetime was when his father was complaining that his son might not live to see Catherine as his bride.
...But that is often quoted out of context.
It took spanish side over a year to send Katherine to England, after the promised date.
He was basically saying: It's taking you so long he might be sixty before she gets it if you keep this tempo!
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Arthur was healthy young man who was unfortunate to get Sweating Sickness, which possibly was Antrax poisoning-hence bacterial poisoning. (Which is extremely dangerous and deadly even nowadays, if not treated in time.)
Eventually even Isabella agreed they should get conpensation from pope for consumated marriage too...So Katherine's own mother didn't quiet believe this whole virgin still story...
And English side insisted upon it...I get this is Spanish series and they try to take her side, but it would be nice if they were presenting the story at least bit more objectively and stopped using period biased defamation stories as sources.
It's not biased information used, it's something Catherine herself says. No one else in the series says she is right. They actually show it quite suspiciously that Catherine refuses very very harshly to be examined, which raises questions in everyone's head. If you watch the whole series, you will see they present the truth or something very close to it. Unlike English productions like The Spanish Princess or The Tudors.
Btw it's not that her mother didn't believe her, she probably did, she just wanted to make sure Catherine was safe in any situation that could occur (which was right in the end).
@@Lily1127channel When I said biased I was more thinking about always presenting Henry VII as old and greedy, Arthur as weak.
Spanish Princess and Tudors were so greatly inaccurate! From clothes to historical events totally twisted or overexagerated etc. More like fictional fantasy than historic-based shows.
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My bad if rest of show was implying her behaviour was odd and suspicious.
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But nevertheless the scene is wrong, by mere fact it is set in Ludlow Castle, because Henry VII wouldn't allow his only remining son meet Katherine in Ludlow castle, but later when she was back nearer court.
Neither travelled into Ludlow, they feared Sweating Sickness too much. Katherine travelled to them!
Il est dit que Arthur est mort de la suete, une fièvre épidémique qui faisait rage à l époque. Pour le reste, je ne sais pas. Je crois que tout ça restera un mystère...
Henry Vii was terrible to Catherine.
Henry VII was six years youger(!!!) than Isabel. Why cast such an old actor?
And "dead" Elisabeth of York... what a nonsence again
He apparently considered marrying Catherine after his wife died.
why the spanish people is depicted like moors or Catherine of Aragon like the mother of Henry? COME ON!
virginity was such a big deal for English
It was a big deal for everyone back then.
Even now it's important
Virginity is always a big deal.