Upgrades to Australia's Collins-class submarine fleet: Progress on the Life of Type Extension (LOTE)
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- Опубликовано: 20 авг 2024
- Senator Fawcett questions the Department of Defence on the Collins-class life of type extension (LOTE) during Senate Estimates.
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This Senator guy is great…, I am surprised a politician has such in depth knowledge of such matters…, I deal with some shipping design… does my head in..
Bravo mate..
strange they normally appear dumb like albo
What a brilliant Senator. If he was the Minister of Defence he might even be able to sort out the mess that constitutes our apologie for a Defence Department.
Yes Minister in the 21st century, obfuscation at it's finest
Yes Prime Minister, The Nuclear option < how useless is it, could be talking about the Collins class subs
A good case of yes minister
Hmmmmm ADF having no idea- what’s new
Insightful and informative. Thank you. John Chandler seemed very defensive and unconvincing. 🤨
You can make proposals for years but nothing happens and you all get paid I wish I had your I nearly said job but it is only money in the bank for you
Nice hand pass 😂
Imagine not having to consider life extension if our acquisition process wasn't so blown out, so much indecisiveness in the leadership of Defence.
Why are discussions about upgrades to our submarine fleet public?
Because we fund this circus
Yes, but the knowledge gets passed on to nations that trying to undermine Australia defence @simonrooney7942
And now china knows our issues@@simonrooney7942
@simonrooney7942 not a good answer, Australian defence leaks info like a siv.
For goodness sake.
So, in simple terms the outcome is….?
Blah, blah, blah….
How long we going to waste time and money on Collin’s Class submarines?
Until they are fully replaced by the Virginia and some of the SSN AUKUS subs. That could be 10 years. They need upgrades to be capable in the future.
I would fire these guys , buy a few off the shelf cheapies from South Korea and set a longer time to upgrade he collins to extend them for another 15 years and integrate them into a fleet which includes the nuke subs so that when the nukes start arriving there is still a reasonable size D.E. fleet.
It just won't happen
Stop this crap , both sides of politics are effin useless at Navy spending. We are a😢 laughing stock , and a endless supply of money too those in governments, handing it out.
Lots of buzzwords not many definite hard points of performance
Navy and CASG have seriously meddled with Collins since inception, ASC does its best but is continuously messed around by these idiots, CASG wouldn't even let them upgrade the galleys in the past. THe poor buggers who man these vessels have to pay the price for this public service bludging.
You are conveniently ignoring the 5 Lib defence ministers who actively degraded the platform. one was hostile to subs, one was a barely functioning alcoholic who should neve rhave been in the portfolio, one was only inmterested in joy rides and photo ops. and there is no shortage of Miisters staffers sent in to gate reviews who didn't even understand the basics of the capability and sought delays - adding 6-9months to every delayed gate review. blaming CASG/CIOG and RAN is a bit cute by half
All wrong … the people who know what’s needed best for upgrades is the people operating the subs eg the submariners .. they give a list to the contractors and work with them for the best outcomes … layers of bureaucracy send the process backwards .
WOW! What a stupid remark by the replier...."we do agree with you on getting the fundamental design process right" Beats getting it wrong. The bar is set low if these guys are running the joint!
Try getting a snorkel that doesn't cause major turbulence at about 5-6 knots, ask a WW2 Uboat engineer for tips....
by the time they finish arguing over what to do we could have re-charged them overnight with solar panels.
😂👍
Im putting new tyres on my 1983 Range Rover .
Should last another 10 years,!!!
Might have had good queztions but still agrubby politician that usually in Oz puts ADF last,
Primary first question if I were Senator
* HOW LONG would our 6 Collins class subs last in a fight?
Further question
* if we upgrade them, would the upgrades increase their survivability by HOW MUCH longer in fight situation
Could an enemy take out our sub capability in the first week & after upgrades would the fleets survivability increase by days weeks months or…
We have averaged only 1 Collins class sub operational across the life of the Collins classes fleet
Stupid question. What fight? Conditions, circumstance, opposition??
The USA awareness of opposing hypersonic missiles and the pointlessness of conventional Harpoon and Cruise missiles which will never have stealth against look-down radars, Lidar and smart cameras on aircaft and satellites is part of a halt on Virginia and makes Collins even more absurd. There are billion dollar container ship cargoes and choke points in maritime trade routes and Collins Class was never up to maritime raiding the vast tonnages needed to be crippling or any attempt at an embargo. The acceptance that Collins is incapable of defending even the ultra low frequency radios or any port and the only role left is giving union members a reason to vote the Conjob Conroy ticket in union elections.
Kongsberg NSM offered a sub launched version is very stealthy and capable whilst Tomahawk has a very long range factor and has a history of defeating Russian IADS.
Lookdown shootdown radar have to be in the right place at the right time and fighter time on station is short and limited with not many nations having carriers at sea. Lockheed is exploring LRASM as a sub launched option.
Lidar do have depth limitations in sub detections.
Stealth conventional quite subs still hold a capability.
Unions protect workers rights and conditions in a modern ruthless corporate world.
Ask any 20 year old Sydney sider will they own a home, answer is 70 percent no due to eroding wages and conditions.
David knows his stuff.
Start building The ship building industry. Please. you are leaving our country defenceless and it's un acceptable. Manufacturing allows us to fight as a country.
You are joking.... 😢
I Would Absolutely Love to get My Hands on Initially Two of these Subs.
Then I Would Alter these Subs to be the Best in the World.
If Only ?.
lol.. no wonder your good Senator.. know a fair bit.., he’s ex military commander… been soaked in military n it’s BS ..😂👍
I’d say Aussies are getting the $ worth out this guy…
Clearly we can complain incorrectly about politicians
The lack of knowledge and understanding in these comments is astounding.
Is this a joke?
Sorry no
The Collins Class cannot be claimed to be a weapons platform if the weapons dont work. Harpoon and Stonefish do not make up for the fact that torpedoes are only weapons in cold water none of which is norh of Adelaide. In the Artic and North Sea the US torpedoes can dive below cold water margins and the layers will bounce sonar and hydrophones and the torpedoes will run for an hour before hitting enemy submarines or popping up to hit enemy surface ships. In warm water running they will be detected and every defense including launching submarine warfare helicopters and possibly launching ICBMs carrying homing torpedoes. The Collins Class is not fast nor reliable enough to intercept and follow and stalk enemy submarines nor stealthy enough to perform spy missions as a cover for other methods either. It's okay if private citizens want to upgrade sentimental old cars or renovate at vast expense the grandest mansion in Wilcannia or Marble Bar or Chernobyl with their own money. There are other ways for South Australian workers to have happier productive useful careers
That's why the Chinese are building diesel electric
A Collin’s got well within torpedo firing distance of a US Aircraft Carrier in 2000, past their air, surface and submarine assets. Suffice to say the Americans were not happy.
All good until the diesel gets into the crews lungs, they are dirty.
what rubbish, the boats arer nothing like a WW2 diesel sub. youve obviously never been in let alone served in one