We know Vaders suit is extremely vulnerable to electrical attacks, this was part of the design laid out by Palpatine so he could control Vader. I don't think Palpatine is that much stronger than Vader but that he exploited the suit's weakness and gives off the illusion that he is more powerful.
Plus, the man had literally twisted his mechanical limbs off and destroyed them. Vader at this time was pretty conflicted, and it's said in Disney Canon that he (Vader) is more powerful. But it's moments like these that make Vader doubt himself and his ability to kill Sidious. Sidious basically created a mental block in Vader's mind and it's Vader's fear of losing against Sidious in a battle that makes him more so not want to try it.
@@jeremykeitt784 I saw a few times a picture from a book that shows the most powerful Sith Lords with Sidious at 2 and Vader at 1. And it’s been stated since Disney took over that after Mustafar, Anakin/Vader became even more powerful. Vader also took the time to study the Force and all 7 lightsaber combat forms, mainly to be able to defeat any Jedi single handedly with ease. I think personally what makes Vader even more powerful than Sidious is that I don’t think he lost that force potential. If midichlorians are in cells, then by my understanding he has 20,000+ per cell. While yes his injuries set him back, Vader’s belief in the Force (and his status as the Chosen One, literally born of the Force) makes him more powerful. He lets nothing get in his way. I’d say the ONLY thing holding him back is his suit. That suit has one fatal flaw has stated by Nobel which is its weakness against Force Lightning. If Sidious wasn’t scared of Vader, why would he put that weakness in the suit? In a Marvel (I believe it’s Marvel) Comic we all see Vader create a rip in the fabric of the Force and enters a alternate dimension where he defeats all of the Jedi Council members and summons red force lightning, like the Son on Mortis. That potential never left Vader, but I think his fear of the Emperor held him back. What Vader had was what Anakin needed. Calm, cool, collected measures rather than being so overconfident and brash. Vader was able to logically look at situations and relied a lot more on his force abilities than Anakin did. (Yes Vader can be pretty extra, like standing on top of his TIE Advanced while it descends).
@@maurice21781 no in canon Vader is said stronger in lightsaber abilities. In the force maybe Sidious is stronger but only when Vader isn't super enraged in that case Vader is stronger. Vader in normal conditions is 80% of Palpatine that is a lot. If he have the right occasion or motivation he can surpass him and close that 20% gap. Like he did in ep. 6 where he find the power to kill Sidious for save his son.
You still don't understand Palpatine's power. Mace could never have killed Palpatine. Palpatine was playing with Mace only to lure Anikan to turn. Palpatine would have used two lightsabers. He was toying with Yoda and Mace. He was laughing the entire fight with Yoda. Seriously, give Palpatine his credit. Remember: Palpatine never lost a duel. Luke never lost a duel as a Jedi. Luke killed a clone of a Young Prime Palpatine.
@@tron1007r Man ngl I agree, but since Lucas said Mace won fair, opinions like yours (which I seriously agree) will always get debunked because 'Muh George said so' but what could we do
@@murattuna3524 The problem with what George Lucas said is his own error. Lucas has scripts and stories that he wrote that say certain things. Remember, Mace was created just for that movie, so how could he really have been thought through to make since in the Star Wars Universe. Even his sword color was not a real crystal color. In the Revenge of the Sith movie, if you freeze the fight scene where Mace is fighting Palpatine, you will notice that Palpatine already has Anakin's sword in his hand before Anakin even comes in. This means there was intent for Palpatine to use this moment to get him to sympathize. It makes no sense that Mace would need back up if he thought Palpatine was that weak. Palpatine wiped out those other Jedi in seconds. There is no way Mace could have beat Palpatine one on one. Palpatine was a real problem. Remember he fought Yoda after that and was playing with him. Luke's Grandfather was a beast.
Self Loathing is Darth Vader known for. Vader realize that He lost his wife and child, the Republic that he defended, Jedi Order that was his family and the Monster he become a slave too. I can't call Sidious a normal Sith lord, there is no heart where it should be within the black spirit of Sidious. Calling Sidious a complete monster is being nice. For Sidious is a monster.
A lot of the time it’s easier to blame others for our problems then to recognize our part in them. Obi-Wan made many notable mistakes throughout his life regarding Anakin and failed to recognize them at their fullest extent even after his physical death, as he still believed that his former student was irredeemable and that his death would save the galaxy. But that didn’t make Anakin any less responsibility for his own actions.
@@callmev3531 Obi-Wan knew he fucked up with Anakin. Maybe not to the full extent, but he knew he did wrong. "I have failed you, Anakin. I have failed you."
I think Vader suspected Palpatine of lying when he woke up in his new suit and it took all this time to come full circle. It took the death of Obi Wan and Boba telling him the boy who destroyed the Death Star was named Skywalker for him to begin to break through the lies of Palpatine. Once he dueled Luke on cloud city and he escaped, Vader knew there was unfinished business he had to take care of. Even risking his masters full wrath in order to learn the TRUTH!
All have sinned and so all are worthy of death and deserve hell, for God’s standard is perfection and none of us could meet it by doing good deeds. Romans 3:23 “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;” Romans 6:23 “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” Romans 5:8 “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” But God loved us so much that He sent His Son to die in our place as a substitutionary atonement for our sins. He is the only way to Heaven that God has provided. If you believe in Him, then you will be saved. John 3:16-18 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.” John 14:6 “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” Acts 4:12 “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
@@chrissonofpear1384 : It was a paradox trick. She already had what the truth really embodied. But he pulled a bait and switch that there was more, and offered her what she already had on the pretense that there was something else to it. His half-truth was that you don't truly know trouble until you're in it, but that you will avoid being in it if you know how to do the forbidden thing just right. Convincing Eve that she could have it both ways. Adam played along out of ego, but sensed that the serpent was full of horse hockey. Like knowing you should support Blankenship because Trump is a false messiah, and Biden a straight up puppet for incarnate devils bent on world domination. But your girlfriend is a die-hard believer in Trump, so you forsake your own knowledge in the hopes that she'll reward you with sex later. And then the FEMA camps pop up like geraniums, and you voted for Operation Warp Speed. You either get microchipped, become an outlaw, or go to the guillotine. If they're nice, they'll let you and your girlfriend be guillotined together, but don't bank on it. That is about the magnitude of Adam's folly. Which is why God and Paul blamed the Fall on Adam, not on Eve.
Nah vaders resilience is much more then that of mauls...but i believe that its also due to his connection to the force....thered be alot more pain in loosing 3 limbs and burned all over then cut in half....the hate that man Carries...damn son
@@binnifrancis9980 legends or canon ?.... i think burning alive for ages would be more resilient then hand to hand combat.....also i doubt he didnt use the force...if he didnt use the force AND didnt use weapons he would have perished
Vader's problem was his conflict between good and evil. He never committed to the Dark side or Light side fully, once he committed to one the light he easily defeated Sidious.
@@LordVaderTyrannus He still had moments of doubt, where Anakin would come through like during his battle with Ahsoka. If he would've broken through to the dark side completely he'd challenged Sidious a long time before.
I mean he can have signs of some good but he was committed right after he helped to kill Mace he fully pledged into the dark i mean he killed these people without mercy just for maybe the slight chance to help padme
Darth Vader is still intimidating, but this comic drives the fact that this whole saga is in fact the tragedy, and eventual redemption, of anakin skywalker. It makes me emotional thinking about it.
I don't see any forgiveness in Vader's actions here... what drives him is a newfound anger towards Palpatine, the desire to kill him like the desire to kill Obi-Wan he had felt for so long, and that's exactly what Palpatine wants to see: an angry Vader, who can channel that anger into the Dark Side and turn it into power, even if such anger is directed at him. That's probably why he said "forget everything but your emperor."
I'm reminded of what Revan once said in a talk with Lord Scourge. Scourge mentioned that Sith are taught to embrace their fear to fuel their power. But Revan made an excellent point that because they do that, all of their actions will always be driven by fear. And we see this play out with Palpatine here. It's his fear of Vader slipping away that causes him to lash out.
I’m tired of this decrepit old man constantly disregarding Darth Vader’s loyalty to him over and over again. I think there is a constant aspect of fear inside of Palpatine to the point where he feels the need to torture Vader to reassure himself that he has the “high ground”. In the future I hope we get a issue where we have a fully rage fueled Vader out for Palpatine’s blood.
@@BrightWulph If you recall, when Darth Vader went to bleed his light saber crystal he had a vision of what would happen if he decided to repent from the path he was on (canon). In the vision he slaughtered Palpatine with the green lightsaber he acquired and intended to bleed. Some can only infer that the vision was what would have happened if he finally confronted his master with the intent to end his control over his physical embodiment, and control over his mind. But that never happened, obviously. I’m not sure how it would effect the original trilogy in all honesty. However I think it would be a very humbling experience for Palpatine if a Vader in this state were to approach him, ready to end his life. I’m sure the battle would come to a stale mate. However I’m just hoping for a experience in a comic that’ll instill a great deal of fear in Palpatine, however form that may come.
@@theunknowncell442 Vader ultimately did end palpatines life. Only reason survived the lightning was because of his anger towards palpatine torturing his son. Only after letting go of his hatred did anakin die. His anger could of kept him alive if he chose to have stayed angry even with disable bionics.
@@trollzynisaacjohan1793 Oh absolutely, I just think that the visual effects and choreography were limited because of the time that the movie was made, plus there wasn’t really a DUEL between them. Just simply Anakin returning, and throwing Palpatine down the reactor . I just think it would be a neat scenario to see them duke it out in a graphic novel where each is at one another’s throat with nothing holding Vader back.
All have sinned and so all are worthy of death and deserve hell, for God’s standard is perfection and none of us could meet it by doing good deeds. Romans 3:23 “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;” Romans 6:23 “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” Romans 5:8 “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” But God loved us so much that He sent His Son to die in our place as a substitutionary atonement for our sins. He is the only way to Heaven that God has provided. If you believe in Him, then you will be saved. John 3:16-18 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.” John 14:6 “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” Acts 4:12 “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
Things we can learn from vader 1. Don’t focus on your negative thoughts. They betray you 2. It is never too late to stop being evil even though you think you came too far.
“Return of the Jedi.” Most think it refers to Luke becoming a Jedi and bringing the Jedi Order back to the Galaxy. It really refers to the return of Anakin. The only person Vader kills in Return of the Jedi is Palpatine. You can see the hate leaving him for the whole movie.
its actually refering to anakin but most think its luke because he becomes a jedi. Its actually refering to anakin who is trained as a jedi while luke at that point wasnt a full jedi.
It can works both ways. Anakin comes back to the light and Luke becomes a Jedi. Anakin who is a Jedi and Luke becoming a Jedi by confronting Vader. Hence Return of the Jedi could be more than one
the psychology all surrounding darth vader all makes sense in my eyes. its the reason why he is who he is. why he not only obeyed the emperor palpatine for so long, but also trusted and believed in the emperor despite all his true friends around him telling him that the sith lord sidious is the true evil. no one could help darth vader in the way he needed, but in all the sacrifice, in all the fighting, in all the suffering, there was a new chance for darth vader to redeem himself. he couldnt help ahsoka tano, he couldnt save padme, he fought against his own brother he had loved. he had lost everything dear to him. but with luke skywalker opposing against the empire and ultimately the emperor, there was a new hope. for everyone involved. the rebellion, the jedi order, and more importantly a new hope for anakin skywalker to redeem himself for his past sins.
I don't believe he ever wanted redemption. This is clear in his conversation with Luke when he says "It's too late for me now.... my son". He killed the Jedi to grow strong in the dark side to save Padme, he knew it was wrong but was willing to throw himself into evil for her out of real love, when she died and he realised it was all for nothing... that must have torn him apart (which no doubt the emporer preyed upon) until he became so completely broken and void of any sense of self that he saw his continued decline into the darkside not as her salvation but as a self imposed punishment that he had to endure because its what he believed he deserved. In the end he fulfilled his prophecy, he destroyed the Jedi and the Sith and brought balance to the force.
A brother, father, master, friend, mentor. Things that vader, no anakin still remember about him and even tho mad at him always remembered him and cherished him. He just needed a reason to finally break free of the emperor
I love the idea that Vader; after this moment, was a secret rebel and while he had to do what was necessary to keep the image of a loyal servant, he was doing certain things to manipulate the rebels into certain actions that would help him to overthrow the emperor!
I still think Palpatine feared Vader. Yes, the suit was build with limitations, but on thing Vader/Anakin had above all else was willpower. That alone is enough to instill fear and admiration is equal measure. Palpatine's downfall was his own arrogance thinking that he was all powerful and Vader would not turn against him. He let his guard down which led to a trip down the reactor shaft.
Vader got the suit originally built grievous it was a prototype and a outdated one Palpatine designed a much better suit that would augment Vader back to his Anakin form but Palpatine never gave it to him.
Without the adjustments Anakin wouldn't harness the power of the dark force his pain anger Ang grief makes him.alive and stronger. Only his son saved him being a hateful man.
0:47 Many would consider that poetic justice considering how many poor souls he has strangled to death with the force, even after getting what he wanted. But it does explain why he had developed complete obedience to his master. He had no choice. He was dependent upon him for both his power and his cybernetic maintenance.
Exactly. Vader definitely earned this. And after this point, he can't sleepwalk through committing atrocities anymore. It leads to the broken and tamed Vader in Return of the Jedi.
I always found it weird that, as Chancellor, Palpatine was super nice to him for like 13 years. Even when he felt he was in danger on Mustafar and helped him back to Coruscant. But once he fully became Emperor, he just treated him like trash and like a pawn, similar to Maul and Dooku. But not with Tarkin. I cant recall and instance where he was a dick to Tarkin.
Because at that point he has full control of Vader. No need to be nice to him anymore. Vader can’t leave because he’ll be hunted down by Palpatine and because Vader has nowhere to go. It would be interesting though to see what would have happened if Vader asked Obi Wan for help before he died
Actually, he wasn't always trash to Vader. In fact I'd argue when having conversations most of the times he'd be supportive as seen in the 2017 canon Vader comics. Though he did on occasion put Vader through danger on purpose just to push his limits and then in this comic, Palpatine did what he did because he sensed some lightside growing inside Vader, so he wanted to diminish it.
That's how abusive relationships work, they're nice, maybe some warning signs. Manipulate you until it's too late and then they do what they want because they've isolated you from everything else
It's a good scene, but I gotta admit, most vader stories about who he is, are depressing. He's hard to see as a scary monster when you see that everyone hates him, and the one who hates him most is himself. Great dark side fuel of course, and he deserves all the suffering he receives, but still, total bummer to read half of vaders content.
I feel like a lot of writers are really cautious about writing any kind of optimism into Vader stories, because they think that might be inconsistent with his character arc. ROTJ showed that Vader could be redeemed, but only on the strength of the love of his son. Personally, I’d love to see a Vader story that’s the inverse of Anakin’s arc. We all know that Anakin was a good man who loved his wife and his friends, and would willingly lay down his life in the pursuit of the common good, but he also had moments of rage or fear or hatred which caused him to act immorally. What if we did the opposite for Vader? A remorseless killing machine, the Emperor’s enforcer and the most feared man in the galaxy, who occasionally has moments of...virtue? Maybe he shows mercy to an underling who failed him, or saves the lives of some innocent civilians in the middle of a chaotic battle, or fraternises with Stormtroopers. Just something to remind readers that there’s a human being inside that suit.
@@kingatlanofatlantis3075 He wasn't after power for its own sake. He only wanted to be a Master to get access to the restricted section of the Library in the hopes of finding something there to save Padme.
@@conorscott430 It isn't just hate or anger that can make a person act immorally. People will also do immoral things in pursuit of "peace" (the Jedi basically) and even out of love.
It didn't break my star wars experience by any means it just goes deeper into how overwhelmingly cruel Palpatine can be, being the almighty sith lord that he is
well Palpatine is a high functioning Psychopath and a complete monster in addition being a well trained Sith Lord. All Sith Lords want to be greater than God for their desire for Power and total Freedom is the way of the Sith.
@@Nubin2000 I wouldn't say old Sheev truly escaped death in canon. He was pretty much a ghost wearing a dead guy. The clone body he had in ep. 9 looked like a corpse.
Imagine what Darth Vader thought and felt when he saw his son being torture like him in episode VI, i know understand more the feeling of Anakin (because in that moment he became Anakin again) when he watched his and Padme's son being torture as he was.
I always knew that Vader would never be able to defeat Sidious after his injuries on Mustafar and that he was now only 80% as a powerful as Sidious, but seeing him be able to do absolutely nothing while Sideous wasn't even trying was so hard to watch. Vader wouldn't be able to kill him but you'd think he would be able to put up a fight after 20 years of growing his power. I hope the reason he was so weak was because of how conflicted he was after Luke refused him and learning about Padme because if not then this is just sad.
Indeed.. This is a ridiculous exagerattion.. Anyway this is a weakened Vader, as you said and as Palpatine said, here Vader is weaker because he slowly left the dark side
The 80% thing was just a random number,he was just simplyfing things.And Anakin could have become way more than 2 times as powerful as Sidious. It's basically like earthquake ricter levels or power levels in dbz(human level at 5 but power to destroy the moon at only 329).It's smaller numbers for simplicitys shake. If he was 80% a regular dark side rage boost would overcome that gap easily,just see how much stronger other users that got enraged become,definitely far more than 20%
@@utoresa5193 this your interpretation don't have sense. If Lucas said 80% is 80%. And indeed in return of the Jedi the boost he got to save his son is able to surpass Sidious and kill him. And anyway in several Canon material Vader is said equal or even stronger than Sidious in some aspects. In light combat Vader is put over Sidious in Canon for example. In thus comic Vader is just weakened, as Palpatine himself said he lose his power because of his costant love for Padme, he slowly left the dark side and so his power diminished. But the author of this comic said on tweeter that Vader will return stronger than ever at the end of this serie.
@@KaiserShield as he should be since he’s been a sith since a young man, knowing every technique, every sith secret, and to keep a monstrous power house like Vader in check, you’re going to have to be twice as powerful
The comic does a great job of connecting all the dots leading to Vader’s final choice to help Luke. After all of this Vader’s love for Padme and his children gave him the power to defeat Palpatine . At point blank range Vader took all the energy Palpatine had and still power bombed him into the abyss. If only for a fleeting second the chosen one rose from defeat and summoned the will to kill the most powerful sith ever. Don’t f with Vader’s family!!!
Seriously you nailed it. My thoughts exactly. This story arc is doing a lot to fill in the gaps to Anakin’s redemption story. It’s clear to me to when Vader told Sidious he lied, it wasn’t Vader saying this but Anakin. Love isn’t a Sith trait, hence why the Emperor destroyed his limbs and tossed him back on mustafar to burn again. In this ironic moment, Anakin not Vader (despite the Sith eyes) realized his great mistake of siding with Sidious. His Sith eyes remained purely for hatred of his master, but his vision of Obi-Wan I think was bitter understanding. I get the sense this issue was Vader in hindsight wishing he had listened to Obi-Wan on mustafar, hell, probably even he wishing he had helped Windu kill Palpatine as well. I’m sure he now realizes had he never gone down this dark path and destroyed Sidious as a Jedi, he could have left the order having fulfilled the prophecy and lived a happy ever life with his wife and son (and leia). I think it’s a good thing he still didn’t know about leia in this moment. I think had he known he also had a daughter, he would have really broken down because of the fact he tortured her not knowing the truth. When he found this out on the second Death Star, I think it was Vader’s realization he needed to show Luke the danger of his anger and to throw the fight. Yes, I think Vader threw the fight. He wasn’t Vader after coming to that realization Leia was his daughter, and I think in that moment as well as Luke’s refusal to kill him were the two biggest things to bring him back. The other, was the holorecording of Padme in child birth saying there was still good in him.
Its never said that he knew Leia was his daughter. All he found out from probing Luke’s mind is that he was worried about his sister. Leia’s identity was always kept a secret, even to her. She didn’t know she was a Skywalker until Luke told her.
@@jdon6484 you may want to rewatch ROTJ. Vader clearly states “Sister.... so you have a twin sister? Your thoughts have now betrayed her too! Obi Wan was wise to hide her from me, now his failure is complete. If you won’t turn to the Dark Side then perhaps she will.” Pretty obvious when Vader probed Lukes mind he found out he also had a daughter, one that was right under his own nose.
Sidious had Vader attacked bye guards and multiple people plus getting attacked bye force lighting. Vader was extremely weaken before Sidious ripped his legs and arm off
You missed the whole point. Vader was weakened by his own self loathing. The fact that he even mentioned padme while being tortured showed how far Vader fell. His own sadness and piety over rode his desire to dominate and kill, it's like he just gave up. That is why sidious needs to install that anger and hate once again in Vader, it will lead to his death as we see in ep 6 to the point that the lightning wasn't even a hindrance to vader but sidious needs to bring Vader back to his glory.
That doesn't matter. Lol. Both Disney and Lucas, and Filoni, have stated Sidious sheer power. No Sith in history surpassed him. In Legends, he dominated thousands of ancient Sith spirits on Korriban.
Vader deserved all the torture and more. He destroyed the Jedi - and put the galaxy under the rule of an evil person. He should have taken his own life after Padme died.
I have a feeling that Vader is going to wreck Palpatine but they’re going to come to an understanding- it’s going to be why Palpatine is going to be so eager to get Luke as an apprentice.
@@jordanburkert6208 Vader and Anakin are the same person. Obi Wan supposed that they weren't-that Anakin was dead because Darth Vader had subsumed him, and Darth Vader also tried to argue that he had killed Anakin. Luke disagreed, and Luke was proven right. Not only did Vader betray Palpatine when he saw the emperor torturing his son, but he even had moments where he acknowledged he and Anakin were one in the same-for example, when he said "It's too late for me, son." Anakin was seduced by the dark side, which magnified his worst impulses, but he was still Anakin. (And we never talk about other fallen Jedi that way-we don't say that Dooku and Tyranus were different people.)
Palpatine is forcing Vader to realise how weak he had become due to the revival of his feelings for Padme and he is forcing Vader to again inbrace his fear and pain and use them to become strong in the dark side once again. In fact Sidious said as much on several occasions in the comic. Im not keen on this vision of their relationship, it's not the direction so much as how far it went.
Right, when it's subtle it feels like Sidious is playing legitimate mind games that are so ambiguous that anyone would feel manipulated. However when it's so blatant like this it kind of has a different connotation. Still loving these comics regardless, but I see what you're saying.
I disagree. I think that its basically the ultimate abusive relationship. Sidious never liked or loved Vader, he never acted in his interests, he only wanted to use him as his instrument. He tortures him to punish him and because he can. He didn't want Vader to be too powerful. That said, Sidious is like a typical abuser who tells the victim they are doing it "for their own good".
Well according to Legends, in Vader’s last few moments he began to think back on he and Obi-Wans relationship and how things went down. Ultimately, Anakin was actually not able to remember what even caused their friendship to even diminish but only that when it did it just began to fester.
I feel like darth vaders main source of hatred for him, was the fact that he still had mad love for kenobi, and he couldn’t let it go, so in turn he hated himself more then he did Obi wan
Even though the issue was very gruesome, it actually made me feel happy because this shows that Darth Vader did not only choose the light over the dark and therefore loosing his power in saving luke, he also overcame his great fear because of lukes love.
I wonder, didn't he plan to kill Palpatine anyway? Even before he got the suit. I feel that since he knew Palpatine was evil, but as Anakin said to Windu. "I need him." He didn't want to be his friend anymore since Palpatine kept his identity hidden and was originally going to kill him, but decided to turn him to the council. Because he felt that Palpatine was the key to saving Padme, even if he wanted to kill him. He basically just wanted to gain enough power to learn how to keep people from dying and then dispose of Palpatine so he and Padme can rule, not have to hide, route all the corruption from the republic, ect.
"Darth Vader will become more powerful than either of us (Sidious & Yoda)" Was also a lie... He (Sidious) was the most powerful Sith Lord ever....killed only by miracle
I don't believe this shows Vader as weak. I think this just proves that Palpatine's superiority over the dark side is undeniable. This makes Sheev comparable to Tenebrae imo.
I think all three Sith Lords from the movies had respect for Obi wan deep down. Darth Maul seem to show emotion to Obi Wan as he was dying asking if Luke is the chosen one and will destroy the sith. Count Dooku respects Obi Wan because Obi Wan was Qui gons apprentice and gave him an option to join him to the dark side.
I'm late to the party on this, but I love the realistic depth that it gives Vader as a character. Most people, even at their darkest; are not black or white. We are conflicted. And this just highlights the conflict in him that Like saw by ROTJ.
No. 6 pretty much confirms for me that a secondary (and perhaps equally powerful) reason that Vader stayed Palpatine's apprentice was to protect Luke, now that he knew Luke was his son.
Damn after reading all these issues and other books why did Vader even stay with Palpatine to begin with he’s been a prick to him ever since he was put inside his suit like damn I would’ve ditched him
You can't just "ditch" the Emperor, especially when the other side - the Rebels - want your head. Palpatine has made his point, from the very beginning, that he could've ended Vader anytime he wanted, so he's not someone you want to cross unless you have enough power to oppose him.
I don’t think he forgave Obi-Wan, though it’s pretty clear that he had been mistaken about him. That his anger blinded him from the truth about Palpatine.
The art style of this comic panel also shows this. 6:56 vs earlier he had range and determination. But then at 6:56 his eyes show more of a realization and confliction, in what he believed.
I was at opening day for all three originals. Until I saw Obi-Wan in ep 3, Revenge of the Sith, I thought Darth's injuries were accumulative. We didn't have computers back then. These new series you're sharing brings back those delightful firsts I saw on the big screens. I saw A New Hope in San Francisco at the Castro, with its 50' wide by 24' tall screen. Most of you will never get to see Vader's ship fly over your head, never semming to end & with Dolby Surround Sound, you felt it's rumbling engines, powerful guns thru your entire body...
Palpatine lied about Padme. That alone should have filled Vader with enough hate and rage to fight back and win. Luke was filled with the light side of the force. Yet couldn’t fight Palpatine at all. It seems that Sidious is protected by Sith “plot armor”. There is no making sense of this comic series in relation to whatever suffices for “SW canon” this month. Since Vader said “I must obey my Master”, then he had no real prior intention or plan to attack Palpatine/Sidious in ROTJ. Sure, Luke getting fried was a motivator, but Vader already had more than enough motivation. I still hope that we see Vader fight back in the comics - and that Sidious IS fearful of a resurgent Vader by the time of ROTJ.
Love Obiwan ❤️ Hes the real MVP bro that Anakin needed. Anakin’s older brother figure was always meant to be Obiwan. Qui Gon Jin was always meant to be his father figure. Anakin’s mother was always meant to be... his biological mother lol. What a beautiful family it was meant to be. The ultimate Jedi family. Dad. Mom. Older bro. Younger bro. Imagine the possibilities. I’ll always love Liam Neeson ☺️❤️
Anakin is actually somewhat responsible for Padme's death. Padme died from the heartache her husband's actions caused. However Palpateen is primary responsible for Padme's death as he was the one of corrupted Skywalker.
@@yeetyskeet5548 Still, Mas Amedda just told Sidious that Vader was going in the direction of the ruins of the Techo Union Outpost. Why? Vader could just go to his castle
@@ruipgraca i think he went there because vaders castle is overwhelmed with storm troopers and what not and vader is kinda on the run at that moment of time
They took that idea from Hishe where when Vader and Konobi faught he said "wait i don't remember you having all your limbs are those made of metal" and just crushed all of his limbs. I mean it was funny but its sad when they take parodies and use the idea...
I think personally Vader had finally had that same feeling that Anakin did for so long. Confliction he was starting to become conflicted the beat of Anakin Skywalker that was in him started to grow
when Rey kills the Emperor I like to imagine that she avenges Dooku, Darth Maul, Nute Gunray, General Grievous, Poggle the Lesser, etc. But most definantly Maul who lost his mother and brother to Sidous. what do you think?
I mean, that would have been a very good thing that disney could have tried to do it still would've absolutely broke the entire story, but at least it would be better than what happened. And I feel terrible for the actors who played ray and Finn because honestly, they seemed pretty rad, and did a really good job. They just had to deal with the absolute worst writers and produces .
I’m seeing this for the first time and I can’t understand how this does not conflict with canon. When Vader is searching for Luke and discovers Luke has a sister, Vader says “Obi wan was wise to hide her from me. Now his failure is complete.” This line shows Vader still hates Obi Wan or still is angry towards him. Forgiving Obi Wan at any point before that line in ROTJ breaks canon, unless Vader decides to start hating him again.
Vader's only weakness against palpatine is his suit that's palpatine's way to stop vader from defeating him shut down his suit its the reason why he didn't give him limbs like luke got but he forgot just how strong & determined anakin was he is still part of vader if he can survive being completely destroyed on mmustafar twice & come back stronger than ever that is real power like maul before him revenge makes him strong palpatine couldn't survive that pain . If vader learned everything of the dark side he could easily destroy palpatine sith lightning is only a fraction of the power of the force .vader just needed a reminder & someone to fight for. Anakin killed him in the end he was the CHOSEN ONE not REY. Return of the jedi was the final movie in the saga palpatine & vader both gone & Anakin Skywalker back to pass the CHOSEN ONE mantle to his son. Then came the Legends timeline with true Skywalkers. Bring back legends timeline the real timeline for the real fans that kept star wars alive long after the movies
"Strike me down, and I will always be with you. I will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine." "Anakin Skywalker, meet Obi-Wan Kenobi." The blade moved past him, and into the hands of a girl." ~A New Hope, The Phantom Menace. The Last Jedi. The Force Awakens audiobook!) 🌞❤️👑 🌟 #TheWhillofLight #AlwaysWins!)
We know Vaders suit is extremely vulnerable to electrical attacks, this was part of the design laid out by Palpatine so he could control Vader. I don't think Palpatine is that much stronger than Vader but that he exploited the suit's weakness and gives off the illusion that he is more powerful.
Plus, the man had literally twisted his mechanical limbs off and destroyed them. Vader at this time was pretty conflicted, and it's said in Disney Canon that he (Vader) is more powerful. But it's moments like these that make Vader doubt himself and his ability to kill Sidious. Sidious basically created a mental block in Vader's mind and it's Vader's fear of losing against Sidious in a battle that makes him more so not want to try it.
@@zuhayrali4202 Where does it say that in Disney canon? Not doubting you, just curious.
@@jeremykeitt784 I saw a few times a picture from a book that shows the most powerful Sith Lords with Sidious at 2 and Vader at 1. And it’s been stated since Disney took over that after Mustafar, Anakin/Vader became even more powerful. Vader also took the time to study the Force and all 7 lightsaber combat forms, mainly to be able to defeat any Jedi single handedly with ease. I think personally what makes Vader even more powerful than Sidious is that I don’t think he lost that force potential. If midichlorians are in cells, then by my understanding he has 20,000+ per cell. While yes his injuries set him back, Vader’s belief in the Force (and his status as the Chosen One, literally born of the Force) makes him more powerful. He lets nothing get in his way. I’d say the ONLY thing holding him back is his suit. That suit has one fatal flaw has stated by Nobel which is its weakness against Force Lightning. If Sidious wasn’t scared of Vader, why would he put that weakness in the suit?
In a Marvel (I believe it’s Marvel) Comic we all see Vader create a rip in the fabric of the Force and enters a alternate dimension where he defeats all of the Jedi Council members and summons red force lightning, like the Son on Mortis. That potential never left Vader, but I think his fear of the Emperor held him back.
What Vader had was what Anakin needed. Calm, cool, collected measures rather than being so overconfident and brash. Vader was able to logically look at situations and relied a lot more on his force abilities than Anakin did. (Yes Vader can be pretty extra, like standing on top of his TIE Advanced while it descends).
Sorry but Sidious was easily stronger than Vader.
@@maurice21781 no in canon Vader is said stronger in lightsaber abilities. In the force maybe Sidious is stronger but only when Vader isn't super enraged in that case Vader is stronger. Vader in normal conditions is 80% of Palpatine that is a lot. If he have the right occasion or motivation he can surpass him and close that 20% gap. Like he did in ep. 6 where he find the power to kill Sidious for save his son.
The regrets of not letting Mace kill Palatine.
You still don't understand Palpatine's power.
Mace could never have killed Palpatine. Palpatine was playing with Mace only to lure Anikan to turn.
Palpatine would have used two lightsabers. He was toying with Yoda and Mace. He was laughing the entire fight with Yoda.
Seriously, give Palpatine his credit.
Remember: Palpatine never lost a duel.
Luke never lost a duel as a Jedi.
Luke killed a clone of a Young Prime Palpatine.
@@tron1007r Are you referring to Dark Empire?
@@tron1007r Man ngl I agree, but since Lucas said Mace won fair, opinions like yours (which I seriously agree) will always get debunked because 'Muh George said so' but what could we do
@@murattuna3524 The problem with what George Lucas said is his own error. Lucas has scripts and stories that he wrote that say certain things. Remember, Mace was created just for that movie, so how could he really have been thought through to make since in the Star Wars Universe. Even his sword color was not a real crystal color. In the Revenge of the Sith movie, if you freeze the fight scene where Mace is fighting Palpatine, you will notice that Palpatine already has Anakin's sword in his hand before Anakin even comes in. This means there was intent for Palpatine to use this moment to get him to sympathize. It makes no sense that Mace would need back up if he thought Palpatine was that weak. Palpatine wiped out those other Jedi in seconds. There is no way Mace could have beat Palpatine one on one.
Palpatine was a real problem. Remember he fought Yoda after that and was playing with him.
Luke's Grandfather was a beast.
@@tron1007r George Lucas confirmed that mace windu won fair and square
I feel like deep down Vader always loved Obi-Wan and loathe himself.
Vader is gay emo
Indeed
Self Loathing is Darth Vader known for. Vader realize that He lost his wife and child, the Republic that he defended, Jedi Order that was his family and the Monster he become a slave too. I can't call Sidious a normal Sith lord, there is no heart where it should be within the black spirit of Sidious. Calling Sidious a complete monster is being nice. For Sidious is a monster.
A lot of the time it’s easier to blame others for our problems then to recognize our part in them. Obi-Wan made many notable mistakes throughout his life regarding Anakin and failed to recognize them at their fullest extent even after his physical death, as he still believed that his former student was irredeemable and that his death would save the galaxy.
But that didn’t make Anakin any less responsibility for his own actions.
@@callmev3531 Obi-Wan knew he fucked up with Anakin. Maybe not to the full extent, but he knew he did wrong. "I have failed you, Anakin. I have failed you."
I think Vader suspected Palpatine of lying when he woke up in his new suit and it took all this time to come full circle. It took the death of Obi Wan and Boba telling him the boy who destroyed the Death Star was named Skywalker for him to begin to break through the lies of Palpatine. Once he dueled Luke on cloud city and he escaped, Vader knew there was unfinished business he had to take care of. Even risking his masters full wrath in order to learn the TRUTH!
He saw through the lies of first the Jedi, and now the Sith.
@@theevildrummingsithlord1492 exactly. Neither side was perfect.
@@starwarsfiction Yep
@@theevildrummingsithlord1492 and Star Wars Fiction so true.
@@theevildrummingsithlord1492 , how did the Jedi lie to him?
Obi wan: “you even had the high ground”
All have sinned and so all are worthy of death and deserve hell, for God’s standard is perfection and none of us could meet it by doing good deeds.
Romans 3:23 “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”
Romans 6:23 “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
Romans 5:8 “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.”
But God loved us so much that He sent His Son to die in our place as a substitutionary atonement for our sins. He is the only way to Heaven that God has provided. If you believe in Him, then you will be saved.
John 3:16-18 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”
John 14:6 “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
Acts 4:12 “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
“Nice man, made me happy, made me smile”
@Crusader Because they don't know any other way.
Ask him if Satan had that knowledge Eve was denied? No... I shall.
@@chrissonofpear1384 : It was a paradox trick. She already had what the truth really embodied. But he pulled a bait and switch that there was more, and offered her what she already had on the pretense that there was something else to it. His half-truth was that you don't truly know trouble until you're in it, but that you will avoid being in it if you know how to do the forbidden thing just right. Convincing Eve that she could have it both ways.
Adam played along out of ego, but sensed that the serpent was full of horse hockey. Like knowing you should support Blankenship because Trump is a false messiah, and Biden a straight up puppet for incarnate devils bent on world domination. But your girlfriend is a die-hard believer in Trump, so you forsake your own knowledge in the hopes that she'll reward you with sex later. And then the FEMA camps pop up like geraniums, and you voted for Operation Warp Speed. You either get microchipped, become an outlaw, or go to the guillotine. If they're nice, they'll let you and your girlfriend be guillotined together, but don't bank on it.
That is about the magnitude of Adam's folly. Which is why God and Paul blamed the Fall on Adam, not on Eve.
@@charlie4christ536 the Bible is all false.
Vader's resilience is honestly scary
honestly, not as scary as mauls
@@rudebwoytroy I agree
Nah vaders resilience is much more then that of mauls...but i believe that its also due to his connection to the force....thered be alot more pain in loosing 3 limbs and burned all over then cut in half....the hate that man Carries...damn son
@@binnifrancis9980 legends or canon ?.... i think burning alive for ages would be more resilient then hand to hand combat.....also i doubt he didnt use the force...if he didnt use the force AND didnt use weapons he would have perished
@@binnifrancis9980 ....vader and maul actualy encounter in legends and vaders resilience outmatches mauls....he literally impales himself to kill maul
Vader's problem was his conflict between good and evil. He never committed to the Dark side or Light side fully, once he committed to one the light he easily defeated Sidious.
He did commit fully to the dark side between ROTS and ESB, which is why during that time he was more powerful then Sidious.
@@LordVaderTyrannus He still had moments of doubt, where Anakin would come through like during his battle with Ahsoka. If he would've broken through to the dark side completely he'd challenged Sidious a long time before.
@@carlosdelacadiz6658 to bad that suit he wears can’t hold up to the emperor
I mean he can have signs of some good but he was committed right after he helped to kill Mace he fully pledged into the dark i mean he killed these people without mercy just for maybe the slight chance to help padme
@@coldkush Yeah case in point this issue. Sidious absolutely wrecked Vader and barely lifted a finger.
Darth Vader is still intimidating, but this comic drives the fact that this whole saga is in fact the tragedy, and eventual redemption, of anakin skywalker. It makes me emotional thinking about it.
I don't see any forgiveness in Vader's actions here... what drives him is a newfound anger towards Palpatine, the desire to kill him like the desire to kill Obi-Wan he had felt for so long, and that's exactly what Palpatine wants to see: an angry Vader, who can channel that anger into the Dark Side and turn it into power, even if such anger is directed at him. That's probably why he said "forget everything but your emperor."
Yep. The Sith are all about power, regardless of the consequences. Palpatine is doing this simply to make Vader come back stronger
Dude he is literally trying to troll him into killing him because "thats the way of the sith"
I believe vader understands kenobi wasn't his real enemy. Sidious was
I agree 100% it’s the Sith way.
@@josephanderson8655 exactly
All I want is for Anakin to find the peace he craved. I hope he could reunite with Padme in the afterlife.
He did, they're both part of the living force along with his children and grandson
I'm reminded of what Revan once said in a talk with Lord Scourge. Scourge mentioned that Sith are taught to embrace their fear to fuel their power. But Revan made an excellent point that because they do that, all of their actions will always be driven by fear. And we see this play out with Palpatine here. It's his fear of Vader slipping away that causes him to lash out.
He didn’t really forgive him though. He simply realized Sidious is abandoning him just as Obi-Wan did, so now he hates them both to the same degree.
Yeah... I know. That's what Palpatine wants. To remind Vader of Hatred after Kenobi died. He even left like Kenobi.
you just realised that the entierty of this channel is made of clickbaits?
@@anintruder3597 Sadly yes.
The Man lost his mother, his master, and his wife. I thank that would make anyone a little crazy.
@@BaconDragon-yr5vf everyone has lost someone
Thats not an excuse to turn into a serial and evil killer
I’m tired of this decrepit old man constantly disregarding Darth Vader’s loyalty to him over and over again. I think there is a constant aspect of fear inside of Palpatine to the point where he feels the need to torture Vader to reassure himself that he has the “high ground”. In the future I hope we get a issue where we have a fully rage fueled Vader out for Palpatine’s blood.
Could Vader really get away with that without disrupting the established canon in the original trilogy though?
@@BrightWulph
If you recall, when Darth Vader went to bleed his light saber crystal he had a vision of what would happen if he decided to repent from the path he was on (canon). In the vision he slaughtered Palpatine with the green lightsaber he acquired and intended to bleed. Some can only infer that the vision was what would have happened if he finally confronted his master with the intent to end his control over his physical embodiment, and control over his mind. But that never happened, obviously. I’m not sure how it would effect the original trilogy in all honesty. However I think it would be a very humbling experience for Palpatine if a Vader in this state were to approach him, ready to end his life. I’m sure the battle would come to a stale mate. However I’m just hoping for a experience in a comic that’ll instill a great deal of fear in Palpatine, however form that may come.
@@theunknowncell442 Vader ultimately did end palpatines life. Only reason survived the lightning was because of his anger towards palpatine torturing his son.
Only after letting go of his hatred did anakin die. His anger could of kept him alive if he chose to have stayed angry even with disable bionics.
pretty sure we had that in a legends continuity comic
@@trollzynisaacjohan1793
Oh absolutely, I just think that the visual effects and choreography were limited because of the time that the movie was made, plus there wasn’t really a DUEL between them. Just simply Anakin returning, and throwing Palpatine down the reactor . I just think it would be a neat scenario to see them duke it out in a graphic novel where each is at one another’s throat with nothing holding Vader back.
Yesterday's story just left me speechless. I didn't know how to react.
Kinda making sense when we see Vader in ROTJ- he is absolutely fed up with Palpatine’s manipulations.
Dam I can't believe Palpatine made him relive that moment again.
All have sinned and so all are worthy of death and deserve hell, for God’s standard is perfection and none of us could meet it by doing good deeds.
Romans 3:23 “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”
Romans 6:23 “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
Romans 5:8 “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.”
But God loved us so much that He sent His Son to die in our place as a substitutionary atonement for our sins. He is the only way to Heaven that God has provided. If you believe in Him, then you will be saved.
John 3:16-18 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”
John 14:6 “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
Acts 4:12 “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
@@maxfrankow1238 yeah it gives Vader much more reason to throw Sidious down a shaft
@@charlie4christ536 Sin began in heaven first. Needs explication duded. A realm pervaded by God? Peculiar, yes?
Things we can learn from vader
1. Don’t focus on your negative thoughts. They betray you
2. It is never too late to stop being evil even though you think you came too far.
thats so true .
“Return of the Jedi.” Most think it refers to Luke becoming a Jedi and bringing the Jedi Order back to the Galaxy. It really refers to the return of Anakin. The only person Vader kills in Return of the Jedi is Palpatine. You can see the hate leaving him for the whole movie.
I always thought it referred to Anakin
its actually refering to anakin but most think its luke because he becomes a jedi. Its actually refering to anakin who is trained as a jedi while luke at that point wasnt a full jedi.
@@momokosakurada605 Actually Yoda said the only thing remaining in his training was to "confront" Vader, not beat him. So by RotJ, Luke is a Knight.
It can works both ways. Anakin comes back to the light and Luke becomes a Jedi. Anakin who is a Jedi and Luke becoming a Jedi by confronting Vader. Hence Return of the Jedi could be more than one
i figured it because of "THE' jedi.. so a jedi who was a jedi before..
the psychology all surrounding darth vader all makes sense in my eyes. its the reason why he is who he is. why he not only obeyed the emperor palpatine for so long, but also trusted and believed in the emperor despite all his true friends around him telling him that the sith lord sidious is the true evil.
no one could help darth vader in the way he needed, but in all the sacrifice, in all the fighting, in all the suffering, there was a new chance for darth vader to redeem himself.
he couldnt help ahsoka tano, he couldnt save padme, he fought against his own brother he had loved.
he had lost everything dear to him.
but with luke skywalker opposing against the empire and ultimately the emperor, there was a new hope. for everyone involved. the rebellion, the jedi order, and more importantly a new hope for anakin skywalker to redeem himself for his past sins.
Honestly I think this is a pretty amazing allegory for extremism and what it’s like to fall into it.
I don't believe he ever wanted redemption. This is clear in his conversation with Luke when he says "It's too late for me now.... my son". He killed the Jedi to grow strong in the dark side to save Padme, he knew it was wrong but was willing to throw himself into evil for her out of real love, when she died and he realised it was all for nothing... that must have torn him apart (which no doubt the emporer preyed upon) until he became so completely broken and void of any sense of self that he saw his continued decline into the darkside not as her salvation but as a self imposed punishment that he had to endure because its what he believed he deserved. In the end he fulfilled his prophecy, he destroyed the Jedi and the Sith and brought balance to the force.
A brother, father, master, friend, mentor. Things that vader, no anakin still remember about him and even tho mad at him always remembered him and cherished him. He just needed a reason to finally break free of the emperor
I love the idea that Vader; after this moment, was a secret rebel and while he had to do what was necessary to keep the image of a loyal servant, he was doing certain things to manipulate the rebels into certain actions that would help him to overthrow the emperor!
That would be within proper character for a Sith Apprentice. They are supposed to strive to overthrow their master and become the master.
I still think Palpatine feared Vader. Yes, the suit was build with limitations, but on thing Vader/Anakin had above all else was willpower. That alone is enough to instill fear and admiration is equal measure. Palpatine's downfall was his own arrogance thinking that he was all powerful and Vader would not turn against him. He let his guard down which led to a trip down the reactor shaft.
Vader got the suit originally built grievous it was a prototype and a outdated one Palpatine designed a much better suit that would augment Vader back to his Anakin form but Palpatine never gave it to him.
It was perfect, the emperors arrogance was his downfall. Until disney ruined vaders legacy by having the emperor come back.
Without the adjustments Anakin wouldn't harness the power of the dark force his pain anger Ang grief makes him.alive and stronger. Only his son saved him being a hateful man.
Yeah palps screamed like a lil bich on the way down the reactor shaft
0:47 Many would consider that poetic justice considering how many poor souls he has strangled to death with the force, even after getting what he wanted. But it does explain why he had developed complete obedience to his master. He had no choice. He was dependent upon him for both his power and his cybernetic maintenance.
Exactly. Vader definitely earned this. And after this point, he can't sleepwalk through committing atrocities anymore. It leads to the broken and tamed Vader in Return of the Jedi.
I always found it weird that, as Chancellor, Palpatine was super nice to him for like 13 years. Even when he felt he was in danger on Mustafar and helped him back to Coruscant. But once he fully became Emperor, he just treated him like trash and like a pawn, similar to Maul and Dooku.
But not with Tarkin. I cant recall and instance where he was a dick to Tarkin.
Because at that point he has full control of Vader. No need to be nice to him anymore. Vader can’t leave because he’ll be hunted down by Palpatine and because Vader has nowhere to go. It would be interesting though to see what would have happened if Vader asked Obi Wan for help before he died
Actually, he wasn't always trash to Vader. In fact I'd argue when having conversations most of the times he'd be supportive as seen in the 2017 canon Vader comics. Though he did on occasion put Vader through danger on purpose just to push his limits and then in this comic, Palpatine did what he did because he sensed some lightside growing inside Vader, so he wanted to diminish it.
Darthvader would not survive against imperial army unless he has luke hacks in movie and etc but who knows
That's how abusive relationships work, they're nice, maybe some warning signs. Manipulate you until it's too late and then they do what they want because they've isolated you from everything else
It’s called grooming. Happens a lot in real life too
It's a good scene, but I gotta admit, most vader stories about who he is, are depressing.
He's hard to see as a scary monster when you see that everyone hates him, and the one who hates him most is himself.
Great dark side fuel of course, and he deserves all the suffering he receives, but still, total bummer to read half of vaders content.
At least he redeemed himself in the end.
I feel like a lot of writers are really cautious about writing any kind of optimism into Vader stories, because they think that might be inconsistent with his character arc. ROTJ showed that Vader could be redeemed, but only on the strength of the love of his son.
Personally, I’d love to see a Vader story that’s the inverse of Anakin’s arc. We all know that Anakin was a good man who loved his wife and his friends, and would willingly lay down his life in the pursuit of the common good, but he also had moments of rage or fear or hatred which caused him to act immorally. What if we did the opposite for Vader? A remorseless killing machine, the Emperor’s enforcer and the most feared man in the galaxy, who occasionally has moments of...virtue? Maybe he shows mercy to an underling who failed him, or saves the lives of some innocent civilians in the middle of a chaotic battle, or fraternises with Stormtroopers. Just something to remind readers that there’s a human being inside that suit.
@Tony bubonic All because the Jedi wouldn’t give him the quick path to power?
@@kingatlanofatlantis3075 He wasn't after power for its own sake. He only wanted to be a Master to get access to the restricted section of the Library in the hopes of finding something there to save Padme.
@@conorscott430 It isn't just hate or anger that can make a person act immorally. People will also do immoral things in pursuit of "peace" (the Jedi basically) and even out of love.
It didn't break my star wars experience by any means it just goes deeper into how overwhelmingly cruel Palpatine can be, being the almighty sith lord that he is
well Palpatine is a high functioning Psychopath and a complete monster in addition being a well trained Sith Lord. All Sith Lords want to be greater than God for their desire for Power and total Freedom is the way of the Sith.
Ah, they made Palpatine even better
I think he’s just being Sith
He's just trying to bring his apprentice back to the darkside. He's a good master.
And forgot to mention one thing, it also shows how resilient Vader can be even in the state he's in throughout this comic
This story makes the fact that Anakin never truly killed Palpatine even sadder.
Disney canon is not my canon. In my eyes he killed him and thats it.
@@Nubin2000 Yes
@@Nubin2000 I wouldn't say old Sheev truly escaped death in canon. He was pretty much a ghost wearing a dead guy. The clone body he had in ep. 9 looked like a corpse.
I just exclude the sequels in my head cannon.
@@alanpena8643 weren't his clone bodies weaker than his original natural body even in Legends?
Imagine what Darth Vader thought and felt when he saw his son being torture like him in episode VI, i know understand more the feeling of Anakin (because in that moment he became Anakin again) when he watched his and Padme's son being torture as he was.
I always knew that Vader would never be able to defeat Sidious after his injuries on Mustafar and that he was now only 80% as a powerful as Sidious, but seeing him be able to do absolutely nothing while Sideous wasn't even trying was so hard to watch. Vader wouldn't be able to kill him but you'd think he would be able to put up a fight after 20 years of growing his power. I hope the reason he was so weak was because of how conflicted he was after Luke refused him and learning about Padme because if not then this is just sad.
Indeed.. This is a ridiculous exagerattion.. Anyway this is a weakened Vader, as you said and as Palpatine said, here Vader is weaker because he slowly left the dark side
The 80% thing was just a random number,he was just simplyfing things.And Anakin could have become way more than 2 times as powerful as Sidious.
It's basically like earthquake ricter levels or power levels in dbz(human level at 5 but power to destroy the moon at only 329).It's smaller numbers for simplicitys shake.
If he was 80% a regular dark side rage boost would overcome that gap easily,just see how much stronger other users that got enraged become,definitely far more than 20%
@@utoresa5193 this your interpretation don't have sense. If Lucas said 80% is 80%. And indeed in return of the Jedi the boost he got to save his son is able to surpass Sidious and kill him. And anyway in several Canon material Vader is said equal or even stronger than Sidious in some aspects. In light combat Vader is put over Sidious in Canon for example. In thus comic Vader is just weakened, as Palpatine himself said he lose his power because of his costant love for Padme, he slowly left the dark side and so his power diminished. But the author of this comic said on tweeter that Vader will return stronger than ever at the end of this serie.
80%? He should have been able to put up a decent fight at least if the differance was that small.
Sidious is OP as hell.
@@KaiserShield as he should be since he’s been a sith since a young man, knowing every technique, every sith secret, and to keep a monstrous power house like Vader in check, you’re going to have to be twice as powerful
Obi-wan, "You were my brother, I loved you."
The comic does a great job of connecting all the dots leading to Vader’s final choice to help Luke. After all of this Vader’s love for Padme and his children gave him the power to defeat Palpatine . At point blank range Vader took all the energy Palpatine had and still power bombed him into the abyss. If only for a fleeting second the chosen one rose from defeat and summoned the will to kill the most powerful sith ever. Don’t f with Vader’s family!!!
“I hope so, for your sake. The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am.”
Seriously you nailed it. My thoughts exactly. This story arc is doing a lot to fill in the gaps to Anakin’s redemption story. It’s clear to me to when Vader told Sidious he lied, it wasn’t Vader saying this but Anakin. Love isn’t a Sith trait, hence why the Emperor destroyed his limbs and tossed him back on mustafar to burn again. In this ironic moment, Anakin not Vader (despite the Sith eyes) realized his great mistake of siding with Sidious. His Sith eyes remained purely for hatred of his master, but his vision of Obi-Wan I think was bitter understanding. I get the sense this issue was Vader in hindsight wishing he had listened to Obi-Wan on mustafar, hell, probably even he wishing he had helped Windu kill Palpatine as well. I’m sure he now realizes had he never gone down this dark path and destroyed Sidious as a Jedi, he could have left the order having fulfilled the prophecy and lived a happy ever life with his wife and son (and leia). I think it’s a good thing he still didn’t know about leia in this moment. I think had he known he also had a daughter, he would have really broken down because of the fact he tortured her not knowing the truth. When he found this out on the second Death Star, I think it was Vader’s realization he needed to show Luke the danger of his anger and to throw the fight. Yes, I think Vader threw the fight. He wasn’t Vader after coming to that realization Leia was his daughter, and I think in that moment as well as Luke’s refusal to kill him were the two biggest things to bring him back. The other, was the holorecording of Padme in child birth saying there was still good in him.
Its never said that he knew Leia was his daughter. All he found out from probing Luke’s mind is that he was worried about his sister. Leia’s identity was always kept a secret, even to her. She didn’t know she was a Skywalker until Luke told her.
@@jdon6484 you may want to rewatch ROTJ. Vader clearly states “Sister.... so you have a twin sister? Your thoughts have now betrayed her too! Obi Wan was wise to hide her from me, now his failure is complete. If you won’t turn to the Dark Side then perhaps she will.” Pretty obvious when Vader probed Lukes mind he found out he also had a daughter, one that was right under his own nose.
@@tonymartos2922 it was never said that vader knew who exactly the sister was
@@sniperguyAZ It would be weird for Vader to find out Luke has a sister but not know her identity.
Sidious had Vader attacked bye guards and multiple people plus getting attacked bye force lighting. Vader was extremely weaken before Sidious ripped his legs and arm off
You missed the whole point. Vader was weakened by his own self loathing. The fact that he even mentioned padme while being tortured showed how far Vader fell. His own sadness and piety over rode his desire to dominate and kill, it's like he just gave up. That is why sidious needs to install that anger and hate once again in Vader, it will lead to his death as we see in ep 6 to the point that the lightning wasn't even a hindrance to vader but sidious needs to bring Vader back to his glory.
Lol do you think those pointy sticks made a damage to Vader's armor when not even a lightsaber slash from Luke damaged his shoulder plates
Vaders Armor is super sensitive to electricity
@@TheJakester117 Electricity does not bend metals like a piece of paper
That doesn't matter. Lol. Both Disney and Lucas, and Filoni, have stated Sidious sheer power. No Sith in history surpassed him. In Legends, he dominated thousands of ancient Sith spirits on Korriban.
Man, ever since that Obi-Wan finale I’ve been on a huge Star Wars Binge. It’s really an fascinating, emotional journey. I love it
I know that Vader would soon toss Palps down the reactor in RotJ, but even so I feel like that’s too good for him after torturing Vader like this.
Vader deserved all the torture and more. He destroyed the Jedi - and put the galaxy under the rule of an evil person. He should have taken his own life after Padme died.
I have a feeling that Vader is going to wreck Palpatine but they’re going to come to an understanding- it’s going to be why Palpatine is going to be so eager to get Luke as an apprentice.
well he sufferer in his damaged clone blsu for awhile after that
Vadar never killed darth hideous, Anakin did
@@jordanburkert6208 Vader and Anakin are the same person. Obi Wan supposed that they weren't-that Anakin was dead because Darth Vader had subsumed him, and Darth Vader also tried to argue that he had killed Anakin. Luke disagreed, and Luke was proven right. Not only did Vader betray Palpatine when he saw the emperor torturing his son, but he even had moments where he acknowledged he and Anakin were one in the same-for example, when he said "It's too late for me, son." Anakin was seduced by the dark side, which magnified his worst impulses, but he was still Anakin. (And we never talk about other fallen Jedi that way-we don't say that Dooku and Tyranus were different people.)
Palpatine is forcing Vader to realise how weak he had become due to the revival of his feelings for Padme and he is forcing Vader to again inbrace his fear and pain and use them to become strong in the dark side once again. In fact Sidious said as much on several occasions in the comic. Im not keen on this vision of their relationship, it's not the direction so much as how far it went.
Right, when it's subtle it feels like Sidious is playing legitimate mind games that are so ambiguous that anyone would feel manipulated. However when it's so blatant like this it kind of has a different connotation. Still loving these comics regardless, but I see what you're saying.
yeah i totally agree, i think sidious just torture's vader and make's him suffer just to keep him focused and enraged
I disagree. I think that its basically the ultimate abusive relationship. Sidious never liked or loved Vader, he never acted in his interests, he only wanted to use him as his instrument. He tortures him to punish him and because he can. He didn't want Vader to be too powerful.
That said, Sidious is like a typical abuser who tells the victim they are doing it "for their own good".
Well according to Legends, in Vader’s last few moments he began to think back on he and Obi-Wans relationship and how things went down. Ultimately, Anakin was actually not able to remember what even caused their friendship to even diminish but only that when it did it just began to fester.
This guys videos are always 60% filler, 30% repetitive content. 10% content of value.
I feel like darth vaders main source of hatred for him, was the fact that he still had mad love for kenobi, and he couldn’t let it go, so in turn he hated himself more then he did Obi wan
It's a long trip to mustifar from coriscant, I wonder what sidious and vader talked about during the trip.
Probably nothing and I'm pretty sure that Sidious just laughed at Darth Vader and was thinking of a way to punish him most severely.
They talked about what they’re gonna have for dinner
They talked about how weird it would have been if Jar Jar was a hidden Sith.
They talked about Epstien not killing himself
"Master, help me!"
"No."
"I HATE YOU!!!"
Even though the issue was very gruesome, it actually made me feel happy because this shows that Darth Vader did not only choose the light over the dark and therefore loosing his power in saving luke, he also overcame his great fear because of lukes love.
I wonder, didn't he plan to kill Palpatine anyway? Even before he got the suit. I feel that since he knew Palpatine was evil, but as Anakin said to Windu. "I need him." He didn't want to be his friend anymore since Palpatine kept his identity hidden and was originally going to kill him, but decided to turn him to the council. Because he felt that Palpatine was the key to saving Padme, even if he wanted to kill him. He basically just wanted to gain enough power to learn how to keep people from dying and then dispose of Palpatine so he and Padme can rule, not have to hide, route all the corruption from the republic, ect.
thats what he asked to padme and obi on mustafar, to join him and help defeat palpatine
Thank you for putting these moments up. The way you use commentary in these videos is brilliant.
Can you please make a darth Vader comics playlist it’s so hard to go through and pick out these videos in order and you don’t link the previous video
"Darth Vader will become more powerful than either of us (Sidious & Yoda)"
Was also a lie...
He (Sidious) was the most powerful Sith Lord ever....killed only by miracle
"Sidious was the most powerful Sith Lord ever" - makes unhappy Vitiate noises....
I don't believe this shows Vader as weak. I think this just proves that Palpatine's superiority over the dark side is undeniable. This makes Sheev comparable to Tenebrae imo.
You got a new sub! I’ve been listening to your videos all day at work. Keep up the good work!
Love it see u actually put the word canon in ur vids unlike the other RUclipsrs
Palpatine: You are no threat to me, my apprentice
Darth Vader: *Throws him off the edge* *dies*
I think all three Sith Lords from the movies had respect for Obi wan deep down. Darth Maul seem to show emotion to Obi Wan as he was dying asking if Luke is the chosen one and will destroy the sith. Count Dooku respects Obi Wan because Obi Wan was Qui gons apprentice and gave him an option to join him to the dark side.
This just makes the films better for me, it’s the first crack in Vader’s “dark side wall” that begins the crumble down to bring him back to the light
Self Forgive-ness and Forgive-ness are traits of the light side.
I'm late to the party on this, but I love the realistic depth that it gives Vader as a character. Most people, even at their darkest; are not black or white. We are conflicted. And this just highlights the conflict in him that Like saw by ROTJ.
No. 6 pretty much confirms for me that a secondary (and perhaps equally powerful) reason that Vader stayed Palpatine's apprentice was to protect Luke, now that he knew Luke was his son.
Obi-wan sacrificed his whole life after Revenge of the sith protecting Anakin's son
I just realized that even though force lightning is symbol of the dark side neither Anekin nor Darth Vader have ever used it.
Only if Anakin would "Think" than "React" Instead he chopped Dookus head off, cut Windus hand off and wouldnt accept that Kenobi had the high ground🤣
Seeing Vader like this makes his story arch all the more satisfying ❤️
Awesome and interesting analysis - many thanks!
Damn after reading all these issues and other books why did Vader even stay with Palpatine to begin with he’s been a prick to him ever since he was put inside his suit like damn I would’ve ditched him
You can't just "ditch" the Emperor, especially when the other side - the Rebels - want your head. Palpatine has made his point, from the very beginning, that he could've ended Vader anytime he wanted, so he's not someone you want to cross unless you have enough power to oppose him.
He would have been killed no doubt.
The power of the dark side. It was still corrupting him
Then in the movie:
“Hmmmm internal conflict to save my son and kill that guy who abuses me in a daily basis
I don’t think he forgave Obi-Wan, though it’s pretty clear that he had been mistaken about him. That his anger blinded him from the truth about Palpatine.
The art style of this comic panel also shows this. 6:56 vs earlier he had range and determination. But then at 6:56 his eyes show more of a realization and confliction, in what he believed.
I was at opening day for all three originals. Until I saw Obi-Wan in ep 3, Revenge of the Sith, I thought Darth's injuries were accumulative. We didn't have computers back then. These new series you're sharing brings back those delightful firsts I saw on the big screens. I saw A New Hope in San Francisco at the Castro, with its 50' wide by 24' tall screen. Most of you will never get to see Vader's ship fly over your head, never semming to end & with Dolby Surround Sound, you felt it's rumbling engines, powerful guns thru your entire body...
Your like the Ali-a of Star Wars youtubers. Seriously every time I look at one of your thumbnails I just hear the intro playing in my head
Palpatine lied about Padme. That alone should have filled Vader with enough hate and rage to fight back and win. Luke was filled with the light side of the force. Yet couldn’t fight Palpatine at all. It seems that Sidious is protected by Sith “plot armor”.
There is no making sense of this comic series in relation to whatever suffices for “SW canon” this month. Since Vader said “I must obey my Master”, then he had no real prior intention or plan to attack Palpatine/Sidious in ROTJ. Sure, Luke getting fried was a motivator, but Vader already had more than enough motivation.
I still hope that we see Vader fight back in the comics - and that Sidious IS fearful of a resurgent Vader by the time of ROTJ.
Good to know. Like your videos a lot
Ah ok, that explains why vader just threw Palatine down that reactor.
Love Obiwan ❤️ Hes the real MVP bro that Anakin needed.
Anakin’s older brother figure was always meant to be Obiwan.
Qui Gon Jin was always meant to be his father figure.
Anakin’s mother was always meant to be... his biological mother lol.
What a beautiful family it was meant to be.
The ultimate Jedi family. Dad. Mom. Older bro. Younger bro.
Imagine the possibilities.
I’ll always love Liam Neeson ☺️❤️
This was not all because of Palpatine. Anakin made these decisions - he was a fool. All of it is his own fault.
Exactly! He doesn't deserve sympathy IMO.
@@tabulldog2743 shut it
I cried! This was so touching!
Anakin is actually somewhat responsible for Padme's death. Padme died from the heartache her husband's actions caused. However Palpateen is primary responsible for Padme's death as he was the one of corrupted Skywalker.
Not first, but firstly love your videos.
Just a quick question guys: Where is Vader's Castle? It should be near the place where Anakin was defeated by Obi-Wan
Its looking over it
@@yeetyskeet5548 Still, Mas Amedda just told Sidious that Vader was going in the direction of the ruins of the Techo Union Outpost. Why? Vader could just go to his castle
@@ruipgraca bad writing
@@ruipgraca or just the plot idk
@@ruipgraca i think he went there because vaders castle is overwhelmed with storm troopers and what not and vader is kinda on the run at that moment of time
Obi Wan tried to warn Anakin about Palpatine
Incredible! Love it.
I don't think Vader forgave Obi-Wan, but his hatred for Sidious became stronger
They took that idea from Hishe where when Vader and Konobi faught he said "wait i don't remember you having all your limbs are those made of metal" and just crushed all of his limbs. I mean it was funny but its sad when they take parodies and use the idea...
How is it sad
Can you make a playlist of all the videos you have made on this series
I'm just finding this... 2 months late, and holy hell, thus comic changes so much of the original trilogy, I love it
Why can't we ever see a scene of Pademe and Aniken reunited at least in spirit im a later Star Wars movie or episode?
ORDER 66
I like the way like 2mins of this vid is the last one it's good u do that though for the ppl who didn't see the other one
I think personally Vader had finally had that same feeling that Anakin did for so long. Confliction he was starting to become conflicted the beat of Anakin Skywalker that was in him started to grow
Palpatine didn't destroy Vader's life. Vader did it by the choices he made.
"if only you knew the power.....of the dark side"
This has been my Favorite comic
"Seeing Vader this vulnerable might break my Star Wars experience"
Me watching Vader manhandling Palpatine in Return of the Jedi
Palpatine is a beast no question. But he built Vaders suit to be weak to his power. Vaders will vs Palpatines power. I'll go with Vader
More so than Maul, his first apprentice.
Agreed
@@kirongauff4934 maul did become very powerful though after his loss to sidious on mandalore
When does this take place in the cannon timeline?
The captions said it's. JOY'CEDIOUS
When you take the time to actually think about it, It's almost impossible to think that Anakin would become Vader
when Rey kills the Emperor I like to imagine that she avenges Dooku, Darth Maul, Nute Gunray, General Grievous, Poggle the Lesser, etc.
But most definantly Maul who lost his mother and brother to Sidous.
what do you think?
I mean, that would have been a very good thing that disney could have tried to do it still would've absolutely broke the entire story, but at least it would be better than what happened. And I feel terrible for the actors who played ray and Finn because honestly, they seemed pretty rad, and did a really good job. They just had to deal with the absolute worst writers and produces .
Why didn't Vader ever secretly build a new suit that was resistant to electrical attacks? I'm sure he could have
He definitely could have, ye had the credits and he couldve done it in his small windows of free time
I think he could have but any imperial employee who was loyal to Palpatine would have snitched on Vader
He did, in Disney canon. The Force Lightning weakness of Vader's is really overestimated.
At scene in Return of the Jedi makes soo much more sense now
I’m seeing this for the first time and I can’t understand how this does not conflict with canon. When Vader is searching for Luke and discovers Luke has a sister, Vader says “Obi wan was wise to hide her from me. Now his failure is complete.” This line shows Vader still hates Obi Wan or still is angry towards him. Forgiving Obi Wan at any point before that line in ROTJ breaks canon, unless Vader decides to start hating him again.
Vader's only weakness against palpatine is his suit that's palpatine's way to stop vader from defeating him shut down his suit its the reason why he didn't give him limbs like luke got but he forgot just how strong & determined anakin was he is still part of vader if he can survive being completely destroyed on mmustafar twice & come back stronger than ever that is real power like maul before him revenge makes him strong palpatine couldn't survive that pain . If vader learned everything of the dark side he could easily destroy palpatine sith lightning is only a fraction of the power of the force .vader just needed a reminder & someone to fight for. Anakin killed him in the end he was the CHOSEN ONE not REY. Return of the jedi was the final movie in the saga palpatine & vader both gone & Anakin Skywalker back to pass the CHOSEN ONE mantle to his son. Then came the Legends timeline with true Skywalkers. Bring back legends timeline the real timeline for the real fans that kept star wars alive long after the movies
"Strike me down, and I will always be with you. I will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine." "Anakin Skywalker, meet Obi-Wan Kenobi." The blade moved past him, and into the hands of a girl." ~A New Hope, The Phantom Menace. The Last Jedi. The Force Awakens audiobook!) 🌞❤️👑 🌟 #TheWhillofLight #AlwaysWins!)
I love how he tslks about how palpating is hella strong but does to ray in the rise of skywalksr
Damn that's brutal