We have had this system in New Zealand for 6+ months it’s simple and works grea. Has removed the burglars from some comps due to now being stripped of 2 shots if shooting 10 under your handicap. Bring it on love it.
Everyone is complaining about handicaps being too low, but when you look at scoring histories it's a different story. Ebay Pete has posted score differentials of 10.6, 11.5 and three scores at 13.1, all within the last 3 months ... so he CAN play to 13. Liam's scoring record includes differentials of 2.3, 3.1 and two more at 5.6, so a handicap of 5.6 is bang on. Golfers remember all the bad scores, but of course these don't count in WHS, it's only the good rounds that count. So NO, the new handicaps are NOT wrong !
Correct! Also means that you can come down here to Australia and be assured that your handicap is going to apply to our courses here. Or over in the US etc. Lots of upside of it!
Hi We've been using the system here in OZ for a few years now. Don't panic... will average out over the next few months. i think it takes your best 8 scores from the last 20 games. adds in a few calculations and spits out a handicap. At least it keeps the club members out of the process and makes it fairer for all in the end.
Liam, Your handicap isn't 5.6, your index is 5.6. Your handicap is now course specific and changes between locations in accordance with the difficulty of the course and tee combination.
Not sure when you made the video but England Golf have amended my handicap index 3 times as they update the course and slope ratings for my club. Currently seems to be spot on. A lot deoends on the course and slope ratings at your own club
I started this past golf season a 5. 4 handicap. End of the season I was a 9.9. I put it down to 4.5 to 5 hours a round of pandemic golf. With this new handicap I’m now a 6.4 just doesn’t seem right. Great video EBay Pete, Liam and the greatest camera man Joe👍👍⛳️🏌️🇨🇦
@Jack Roderickson How did you manage to get 4.5 shots back? That's 45 qualifiers playing worse than your handicap, unless you have received a general play adjustment, but that would only normally be 1 full shot. Your club must hold a hell of a lot of competitions plus the Covid effect this year.
@@Chris-es9hn my home golf course adjusted peoples handicaps because of the pandemic golf this year. most peoples handicaps at our club went up this year because the course was so busy with new golfers and very slow play. So that is why I went from a 4.4 to a 9.9 then adjusted to 6.4, so my handicap I actually went up 2 shots. Thanks Chris
@@jackroderickson8236 So how many shots did your club give you back and how many did you get back from playing? I'll bet your handicap secretary was very popular. Cheers.
Hi Liam. I was 18.7. Now 21.8. Although this year I haven't played much golf maybe that reflects I don't know!, but the lads that I golf with have all gone up. 1 fella from 18 to 25. It's all a bit odd. There will be some crying when our course reopens lol. Hopefully that's next week Keep up the good work really enjoy all the videos.
Hi Liam Great video :-) The new whs is based on an average of your 8 best rounds out of the last 20 rounds you have submitted, then if you have only submitted "good" rounds you will be regulated down whit the new hcp system and vice versa. with the new system it is important that all rounds, good or bad, are submitted so you over time get the correct hcp. Hope this makes sense :-) I’ve gone from 4.7 to 4.1. I have played 21 rounds this year which is counting in the calculation of my hcp in the whs system :-)
5.0 to 3.3 (I was a 7-8 handicapper for the last 10 years but just had a really good year). I should go up fairly quickly I suspect but we will see. Keep up the good work Liam!
@@paulmilsom1346 I shot some very good rounds of golf prior to change over to the new system. I’ve checked with the club and England golf and it’s all good.
@@GolfNutts well in that case, many congratulations on your newly acquired status, well done 👍 I do know, though, that here have been a lot of errors, all my white tee scores were recorded as red tees, so initially I went from 11.6 to an index of 16.9, it's sorted now though and I have an index of 11.1
@@paulmilsom1346 thank you kind sir 🙏🏼. I’ve heard that a lot actually. A few people index’s changing every other day then settled out. Ah brilliant well done you 👏🏼 bet you were glad when it was sorted!
liam i was a 11.3 before the cut, now i am down to 9.6. i always wanted to get under 10 but not by a cut. my lowest round this year was a 78 and shot as high as 96(that was a bad day). i dont understand the system either and i am in the USA. after the cut, my handicap never moved even with 50 rounds played this year and my rounds varied from low to high.
my handicap index is 12.3 but my playing handicap at home is the same 13. If I came to your course my playing handicap off yellows will be 15 so your course rating must be higher than ours. Keep up the good work.
Hi Liam - I love all your videos, especially the ones showing you playing with your ‘mates’. My handicap was 10.4 pre-WHS, my new WHS handicap index is now 12.0 which gives me 13 shots off the whites at my home course. I seem to be in the rare situation where my handicap has technically gone up.
Hi Liam, well you’ve finally tipped me over the edge!! I’m 42 and have just joined my first course since I was a junior so THANK YOU for giving me the motivation,, as an adult have played off anything from 16 to 28 depending on what people agreed, looking forward to getting my cards in the first week after lockdown so will let you know how I end up. Thanks again and keep up the good work much love to OMP 👍🍺
WHS is easy to understand. It is not a new handicap, it’s a handicap index, which travels around with you. You then check the rating of the course you play, check the charts, and get your playing handicap. The calculation is easy. If you played at my home course with a rating of 134, you would play off 7.
@@jonathanperry2678 5.6 x 135divided by 113 = 6.69 which goes to 7. There is another calculation for competition play which is 95% of handicap, but at the moment that just complicates things. On a basic calculation yes, he’s off 7 at home. The 95% rule for comps is much less favourable to higher handicap players, as they lose more for comps. All the info is available at England Golf, Scottish Golf, GUI, or Wales Golf, or go to WHS website.
Hi Liam, I am a new golfer handicap was 30.3. Since getting my handicap I have only submitted 3 more cards. These were in a comp where the best 2 scores were counted. My handicap stayed at 30.3. Now with the new system its 36.3. I know this is supposed to help me, but I feel as though I have gone backwards in my game. I hope to get some cards in to lower my handicap again and make me feel as though I'm improving. By the way I'm 73 years old but loving golf, and golf mates. Richard.
Keep the ball in the fairway....good short game = a decent handicap in golf....great video brother Liam....greetings from across the big pond from a fellow GolfMate....
You’ll get dropped quick in one go if your that much under your handicap, I got dropped 5 shots in one day because I played 8 shots under my handicap and played so many rounds under in a row
Liam, quite happy with my handicap index. This year I went from 17 down to 13, was struggling to play at 13 so my handicap index is 15. Suits people who play lots of different courses.
You will play off 95% of your handicap in comps with the WHC System, I was off 14 hcap in Oct but now 13.1 in Nov. Now I played in an open in Dubai under the new system and I was given 15 Hcap index because the course is much harder than my home club. I think we have to give it 6 months to settle down and by then we will be hopefully out playing normal golf and comps so by April we can roll with it
Was playing the best golf of my life and it’s given me extra shots 🙊 removed my exceptional scoring reduction. Went from 10.4 to 11.8 but get 13 shots on my course as slope rating is 128 off yellow tees
I have handed in around 40+ rounds this season. going from 18.0 to 19.2 . some days I play like a rookie, other days I get the ball moved in the general direction more often than not :D
Your co-presenter was correct. 20/26 handicaps are winning nearly all competitions, a different person each week, but there seems to be so many its hardly worth competing.
Hi Liam, we have had the system here in Australia for a while. Initially my golf mate and I thought they had us too low but after a while it adjusts quickly and of late it has been spot on! I have found it very fair and eliminates the burglars!⛳️👍
In the U.S. we have been using this system for several years. It becomes more accurate the more rounds you record . The best thing about this is that it removes the handicap committee from the picture. No more members badgering the committee to try to get more strokes or bitching about other players handicaps.
Handicap committee would be taking extra shots off in the UK not giving shots back. People will always bitch about handicaps. I’m already getting stick I was 9.6 now 11.7 my mates all lost shots
@@johnnewell3530 the group I regularly play with enter 3 to 4 cards a week. We hole all of our putts and follow all the rules and trust me we are playing for quarters so it’s hard to get anything past them
Don't know if you saw my comment where I went from 17 to +7 in a round. My club accidentally entered my score as 77 stableford points. Apart from shock, I did briefly have the lowest score on record
@@ChristopherDowning I agree Chris, always going to be anomalies with big changes such as this and definitely some refinements to be made. I do think it’s a great step towards making golf fairer for all. Although, seems in your case that you’re now your club’s biggest bandit... maybe the biggest of all the golf mates! Enjoy it while it lasts and win a few comps for the rest of us mate.
Was 26.2 in October, now 22.8. When playing at my home course I’m still 26 but if a play my old course I’m off 22. I agree with this as my old course is an easier course to play. I like it👍 In time I think we will settle into it.
I've been playing in the Netherlands since I started playing again 2 years ago and the new WHS seems to follow the Europan way of doing things. The course rating is the important part I think. No more rocking up at a harder course and not getting the extra shots we probably need for out own sanity. I also can't wait to come home for a trip and be able to just go out without doing a ridiculous calculation so I know my handicap!
Old handicap -0.2, new handicap index is -1.2 which gives me plus 1 at my home course. Most old world cat 1 golfers at my club have lost 1, 2 or 3 shots. Loving all the videos btw, helping get me through lockdown 👍🏻
I’ve gone from 9 to 5.4, not played in any comps this year but I recorded 12 supplementary cards to ensure The WHS could issue an accurate index for me. I think once we all get familiar with it , it’ll settle down and be a fairer system. I still shoot the odd shocker but hey , a bad day on the golf course is far better than a good day at work.😀
don't know how many comps you enter Liam, but you need 20 cards in to really get a proper index. they take the best 8 scores from your last 20. if you haven't put in 20 it can hammer you
@@crispyduck1706 it means that your index will be the average of your best 6 if you only have 18 scores recorded, so it doesn't necessarily mean you'd be lower or higher, hope that helps 👍
@@crispyduck1706 it will work out your best 8 scores from 20 competition round's! Another two rounds better or worse will give you your overall handicap index! You will most likely stay what you are now maybe give or take a little! It's also got a soft and hard handicap adjustment of 5 shots!
Well done in what looked like extremely tough conditions. Fabulous looking course. I just don't get this new HC system or the need to change what was working well and seemed fair but we're stuck with it now. ....
23,9 --> 25,4 Started this season at 44, one great round in august and dropped to 23,6, haven't been able to play at that lavel since. So looking forward to play from the new index.
As has been mentioned in a few posts your handicap is not 5.6, you handicap index is. This will allow you to calculate your course handicap wherever you play. So your course handicap at your home course should be about the same as you old CONGU handicap which I am assuming is a higher slope rating than the average slope rating of 113. My home course for instance is a slope rating of 105 so you would be a lower handicap if you played at our course as it will be easier to play than your home course. It is a great system they have introduced and will help so many people when they play at different courses and help give a true representation of people's handicaps. It is especially worthwhile when you play things like inter-club competitions against other clubs at other courses and makes it a lot fairer.
Hey Liam, in Australia we've been playing to this new system for a while now and it does make a difference when you play different courses. Not all courses are as easy or hard as your home course so it does "flatten" the playing field a little better and it will catch up with most of the Bandits.
Love your channel. Haven't done a handicap since I started back playing late last year. Probably close to a 9. I think if I could play with half of your wonderful attitude I believe I could cut my handicap in half. Keep up the great work and keep playing.
@@johnnewell3530, I am not a member of a club or take part in any competitions and only play the game for fun with my mates, so I`ll never stress as to what the number I apparently play off is. If the new system says it goes up, happy days! If the new system says it goes down, that`s fine too, just so long as I have a laugh while I`m playing. I understand that some people are fixated on reducing their handicap, and good luck to them, but the only time I ever gave a damn was trying to get from a 10 to a 9 and I got to the point I really wasn`t enjoying the game, so I gave up for 2 years, came back playing off 20, having fun again, and haven`t cared since. Only a game after all!
@@jimscott5900 all good when you’re playing for fun. Hcp’s are all about playing against other golfers an a fair basis. When one of those players doesn’t have the right hcp it buggers up the fairness. So you’re all good. Let the rest of us worry about the bandits
Best 8 rounds from your last 20 go into the sum. It’s a very fair way of bringing everyone onto the same system and making handicaps accurate from course to course
Its not that easy at all. The slope at chorlton is 135. Its harder than you think. Off the whites its almost 6000yrd. But most holes.are fairly.narrow and tree lined.
I'd add to that. Short courses are by no means easy. Greens on the longer courses are from experience easier. The short courses have to make up for the lack of distance with harder greens and hazards.
If the course was easy his hcp would go up on most courses I’m reliably told Holyhead is testing ,I’ve gone down to 12.6 But will play of 14.8 at home course still because it’s tough to be honest I’ve just played shite this year was so happy it didn’t go up more 😤
21.4 was 18.7 now , that’s thru Golfshake . My club handicap is dormant was 20ish about 5 / 6 years ago , never ever play in comps anymore only have 5 day membership . TBF Pete if he’s knocking it round in 85 ish 13 pretty fair . 6 for Liam tough call that . Great video boys . GOAT . Golf Mates channel . Keep it up 👍
Joined a club just after first lockdown and been putting in cards every week but the club have only submitted my first 3 cards into the system so I have gone up from 22 to 23.5, so going to be called a banit now because my scores have been lower than 22 hcp
When I joined Chorlton, if you were fit and healthy you got 18 maximum and were told you will either go up or down once you started playing comps,. It stopped the bandits and you would find your own level
@@peterjohnson1799 going to look at a new club when this lockdown is over. It is a bit more expensive but looks like run a better and there are other golfmates that are members there
Love the course Liam, reckon you could put together a guide on golf courses you have been too and a little star out of 5? Be good for us golf mates to follow round the courses you play
You will still have to do the calculation. 14.5 index isn't your playing handicap. 14.5 X slope rating / 113 = playing handicap. If your course n tees have slope of 135 like my course does. It would be 14.5 X 135 / 113 = 17 rounded down. 95% hdcp allowance is 16.15 so you'd get 16 shots on a course 135 slope.
It's all relative where lower handicappers are concerned, others of your handicap Liam, will be dropped, so in terms of competition it doesn't change anything..It's more difficult in terms of playing the course..
Hii,Iplay @ stand golf club,my previous handicap was 8.7 & now under the new system my handicap is 7.0.With slope my handicap is 8,so I have lost one shot.The slope system is measured on a 20 handicap v a scratch player.The slope system seems bias towards a 20 handicap rather than a single handicap player.They are going of the length of a hole, rather than toughness.So a 20 handicap, like on your course Liam ,on the front 9 nine is harder & would fine if hard to get on in green in reg, so therefore deemed as a hard hole.Which I think is fair because the back nine is a lot easier.Not all course are the same.I have checked other courses(slope rating) & it seems unfair for a single handicap & here is why.My club stand golf club, the front nine is a lot harder with more positional shots with driver & 3 wood of the tee,the back nine is a lot easier & can hit more waywood tee shots & still have a shot to green,this is back up with the sroke index 1,2,4 & 5 all the front nine,the back nine is longer but easier.The slope rate @ stand says the back is harder.I have played a lot of courses & check there slope rating & found its more leans forwards a higher handicap would play a course rather than lower,it should be both.So basically slope rating does not mean its a harder with a greater slope rating,its more based on how a 20 handicap would play a hole.ie Manchester golf club slope rating 132, is lower then your course Liam & stand & lots of other courses.,which is a bit of a joke & also the back nine is really tough @ Manchester ,but the slope rating says it is slightly easily,only by one.So basically your course Liam has quiet a few long holes on the front ie 1,3,7,8 & 9,hence a high slope rating,I can like you(not all the time get on in 2.)So basically the slope rating is a load of bollocks,but one good thing,people will be more punished for a good score,the one should be changed is when people play in doubles comps or am am there scores should be entered,because you get golfers playing 5 comps on there own course, mucking about & moping up in opens. Thanks Darren Booth. P.s play stand golf club & see what you think.
@@Lightandluck 113 is the average not 115. To calculate your handicap you take your index e.g 11.8 times by slope rating 128 for my local divided by 113 which is the standard slope for all courses. So... 11.8*128/113= 13.37 and then round down to 13
Hi Liam and fellow golf mates! I don’t believe the WHS is wrong. I was 6.5 now my index is 5.9. Index NOT HANDICAP. My uncle is complaining he’s gone from 33 to 36 but when I’ve checked his scores he hasn’t got near 33 in two year and it would have taken him another 30 competitive rounds going up point .1 to get where he should be. Don’t forget you shouldn’t be playing to your handicap each round. My playing handicap is 7 at my course. And I think it’ll look more consistent down the line based on averages and does get the new higher handicappers down quickly. Think it’ll prevent temper tantrums and NRs as you’re always fighting for your best average. I’ve got some 82s dropping off I need to better or replace so rather than go up.1 shooting 82 I’ll be maintaining. Ever fancy a trip to @boltonoldlinks let me know!
My World handicap has gone down, but because of our course slope rating it has gone up at my home course. You should come down to Temple in Berkshire and try us out.
Gone from 26 to a 22.1 Liam, but only have 4 scorecards in, not had a HC for long :). Love the vids, keep making us smile with what your doing! Top man!
I worked really hard over the summer to my handicap down to 13.4 from 18, new system comes in and gives me 14.9 !! I had hoped it would take me down more in my quest for single figures
Liam, we in south Africa, have been moaning about this new handicap, we now have players, off 42, and nothing we can do about it. so good luck with the arguments you're going to have. goodluck
Personally 36 should be the absolute maximum if you can't get on the green on a par 4 in 4 shots and 2 putt then you shouldn't be in a legitimate competition. However You should be able to go higher in your social club so terrible golfers still get to play amd a chance to reduce their hcp
@@diogeneslantern18 Yes but if you are playing off a course index of 127 then you will find your handicap index will be 60.69. 54 /113 x 127 =60.69 simples.
In France we have been using an "hybrid" system (with slopes and all but 0.1 points up and getting cut on good performances) before and we use the WHS since January. I've lost a few shots (because my previous index was not really representative as I don't play often in competition). Now it's a bit more volatile (you get up faster when going through a bad patch, but you can get down again faster, as well). I guess you've had a few good rounds and possibly some on hard courses (west lancs ?) as it's only the average of the 8 best adjusted scores out of the last 20, you can easily have an index of 5.9... and get a handicap of 7 from the white tees in many places !
Fully agree, I’ve stopped playing in handicap events for that very reason. And giving 100% handicap on partners & skin games is just ridiculous in my opinion.
But with the new WHS they will need to consistently play worse than their 8 best rounds (out the last 20). If they make say 40 points in a tournament, it will take them 20 rounds to erase that again. It can be done, but it will require a lot of planning and insight to their own statistics. On top of this there is the course/weather condition adjustment. This takes place at the end of the day looking at all the scores on the course and changes “par” from 36 points upwards or downwards depending on the average scores. Hence if you are fiddling your score to stay below 36 you might still get adjustment to your handicap.
You don’t necessarily have to play a round to post a score. I would prefer a “tournament only” posting system, which is what we use at our club here in California.
@@ianmalcolm2552 in Denmark we have used course rating and HDC for private rounds for several years. The new WHS starting in Jan 2021 will give some adjustments, but not a lot. Could you cheat under the existing system? Yes and some did although you had to play 10 “bad” rounds to gain a stroke. We have to announce whether a private round is “counting” before we tee off. From 2021 I think it will be even more difficult to cheat because you will have to play for 25 to 30 point on purpose for maybe 5 to 10 rounds in a row to change your WHS.
My index is 9.3 which equates to 11 at my track (or 10 if 90% in comps). Prior to WHS my handicap was 10.7 (11) so no real change. But... I play 50+ qualifiers a year. I think it will have the biggest impact on those who have played few comps.
Liam I went on howdidido looked my my last20 scores took the best 8 and took the average, and I ended up at the same Handicap index for my course, so it does work. When I play an easier course it will go down and vice versa for a harder one.
Isn't the aim of the game to get a low handicap? Also what does he play off at his course? I'm 19.2 but play off 21 at my local course. (I was 18.6 handicap on old system but that was with a 0.5 exceptional score cut which disappeared on changeover)
I was 15.6 before WHS, then on the initial H/C went to 14.7 but now it’s live it’s down to 14.0, winner winner, chicken and rice dinner.... handicap just a number Liam.... it’s just golf and I’ve missed it... bloody Covid-19
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We have had this system in New Zealand for 6+ months it’s simple and works grea. Has removed the burglars from some comps due to now being stripped of 2 shots if shooting 10 under your handicap. Bring it on love it.
Hope the same happens over here, and we have all got a chance to win
Everyone is complaining about handicaps being too low, but when you look at scoring histories it's a different story. Ebay Pete has posted score differentials of 10.6, 11.5 and three scores at 13.1, all within the last 3 months ... so he CAN play to 13. Liam's scoring record includes differentials of 2.3, 3.1 and two more at 5.6, so a handicap of 5.6 is bang on. Golfers remember all the bad scores, but of course these don't count in WHS, it's only the good rounds that count. So NO, the new handicaps are NOT wrong !
Correct!
Also means that you can come down here to Australia and be assured that your handicap is going to apply to our courses here. Or over in the US etc. Lots of upside of it!
Spot on. So much whining about the new system.
Theoretically, it doesn't matter what number it shows as long as everyone is on the same system.
True sir
Cheers
If you put every card in youd have a true reflection on your handicap, the problem is people who only put good rounds or bad rounds in
Hi We've been using the system here in OZ for a few years now. Don't panic... will average out over the next few months. i think it takes your best 8 scores from the last 20 games. adds in a few calculations and spits out a handicap. At least it keeps the club members out of the process and makes it fairer for all in the end.
Liam, Your handicap isn't 5.6, your index is 5.6. Your handicap is now course specific and changes between locations in accordance with the difficulty of the course and tee combination.
Its my pet hate at the moment saying it's my handicap because you won't actually play off it 9 times out of 10
Absolutely spot on sir. There are none so blind as those that will not see. I'm sick to the back teeth of people whining about their "new handicap"!!
Is it weather conditions too?
@@dannybrant6758 yes but I do think winds etc have to hit a certain threshold for it to really matter much . Rain also a factor
Bang on mines 7 playing off 8.4 at my course ,same as what I was off before
Not sure when you made the video but England Golf have amended my handicap index 3 times as they update the course and slope ratings for my club. Currently seems to be spot on. A lot deoends on the course and slope ratings at your own club
I started this past golf season a 5. 4 handicap. End of the season I was a 9.9. I put it down to 4.5 to 5 hours a round of pandemic golf. With this new handicap I’m now a 6.4 just doesn’t seem right. Great video EBay Pete, Liam and the greatest camera man Joe👍👍⛳️🏌️🇨🇦
good man!
@Jack Roderickson How did you manage to get 4.5 shots back? That's 45 qualifiers playing worse than your handicap, unless you have received a general play adjustment, but that would only normally be 1 full shot. Your club must hold a hell of a lot of competitions plus the Covid effect this year.
@@Chris-es9hn my home golf course adjusted peoples handicaps because of the pandemic golf this year. most peoples handicaps at our club went up this year because the course was so busy with new golfers and very slow play. So that is why I went from a 4.4 to a 9.9 then adjusted to 6.4, so my handicap I actually went up 2 shots. Thanks Chris
@@jackroderickson8236 So how many shots did your club give you back and how many did you get back from playing? I'll bet your handicap secretary was very popular. Cheers.
Hi Liam. I was 18.7. Now 21.8. Although this year I haven't played much golf maybe that reflects I don't know!, but the lads that I golf with have all gone up. 1 fella from 18 to 25. It's all a bit odd. There will be some crying when our course reopens lol. Hopefully that's next week
Keep up the good work really enjoy all the videos.
Hi Liam
Great video :-)
The new whs is based on an average of your 8 best rounds out of the last 20 rounds you have submitted, then if you have only submitted "good" rounds you will be regulated down whit the new hcp system and vice versa. with the new system it is important that all rounds, good or bad, are submitted so you over time get the correct hcp.
Hope this makes sense :-)
I’ve gone from 4.7 to 4.1. I have played 21 rounds this year which is counting in the calculation of my hcp in the whs system :-)
5.0 to 3.3 (I was a 7-8 handicapper for the last 10 years but just had a really good year). I should go up fairly quickly I suspect but we will see. Keep up the good work Liam!
12.2 down to 9.2. It’s more accurate now to be honest, so I’m happy.
My aim for 2021 is to be at 5 by end of the season.
Good man!
If your happy with it, you know you can play to it. Hope you get down to your target. Good Luck
Thanks Liam just had a look. Last week 13.5 now playing of 12.3
Great video as always buddy. I got royally done in the new system. Now off +0.3 from 6.4. Makes me scratch at any golf course!
Doesn't sound like you have 20 counting scores recorded on the new system to have a drop like that? Have you checked to see?
@@paulmilsom1346 I shot some very good rounds of golf prior to change over to the new system. I’ve checked with the club and England golf and it’s all good.
@@GolfNutts well in that case, many congratulations on your newly acquired status, well done 👍
I do know, though, that here have been a lot of errors, all my white tee scores were recorded as red tees, so initially I went from 11.6 to an index of 16.9, it's sorted now though and I have an index of 11.1
@@paulmilsom1346 thank you kind sir 🙏🏼. I’ve heard that a lot actually. A few people index’s changing every other day then settled out. Ah brilliant well done you 👏🏼 bet you were glad when it was sorted!
Was on 13.2 but now off 8.2,haven't shot under 85 all year,been done a good one.
liam i was a 11.3 before the cut, now i am down to 9.6. i always wanted to get under 10 but not by a cut. my lowest round this year was a 78 and shot as high as 96(that was a bad day). i dont understand the system either and i am in the USA. after the cut, my handicap never moved even with 50 rounds played this year and my rounds varied from low to high.
good man!
my handicap index is 12.3 but my playing handicap at home is the same 13. If I came to your course my playing handicap off yellows will be 15 so your course rating must be higher than ours. Keep up the good work.
Hi Liam - I love all your videos, especially the ones showing you playing with your ‘mates’.
My handicap was 10.4 pre-WHS, my new WHS handicap index is now 12.0 which gives me 13 shots off the whites at my home course. I seem to be in the rare situation where my handicap has technically gone up.
Absolutely
Hi Liam, well you’ve finally tipped me over the edge!! I’m 42 and have just joined my first course since I was a junior so THANK YOU for giving me the motivation,, as an adult have played off anything from 16 to 28 depending on what people agreed, looking forward to getting my cards in the first week after lockdown so will let you know how I end up. Thanks again and keep up the good work much love to OMP 👍🍺
WHS is easy to understand. It is not a new handicap, it’s a handicap index, which travels around with you. You then check the rating of the course you play, check the charts, and get your playing handicap. The calculation is easy. If you played at my home course with a rating of 134, you would play off 7.
I've had a look.. Chorlton's slopre rating is 135 off Whites so wud Liam be off 7 there as well?
@@jonathanperry2678 5.6 x 135divided by 113 = 6.69 which goes to 7. There is another calculation for competition play which is 95% of handicap, but at the moment that just complicates things. On a basic calculation yes, he’s off 7 at home.
The 95% rule for comps is much less favourable to higher handicap players, as they lose more for comps.
All the info is available at England Golf, Scottish Golf, GUI, or Wales Golf, or go to WHS website.
Hi Liam, I am a new golfer handicap was 30.3. Since getting my handicap I have only submitted 3 more cards. These were in a comp where the best 2 scores were counted. My handicap stayed at 30.3. Now with the new system its 36.3. I know this is supposed to help me, but I feel as though I have gone backwards in my game. I hope to get some cards in to lower my handicap again and make me feel as though I'm improving. By the way I'm 73 years old but loving golf, and golf mates. Richard.
Keep enjoying your golf Richard.
Liam I play of 19 now 15.2 so lost 4 shots. Need to put 20 cards in and it will level out eventually.
Keep the ball in the fairway....good short game = a decent handicap in golf....great video brother Liam....greetings from across the big pond from a fellow GolfMate....
My handicap was 12.6 my index is 16.9… Can't wait to go play some comps! Honcho for Poncho. Pass me my sombrero.
I think these masks we have to wear are for golfers with dodgy h/caps not covid 🤣🤣
You’ll get dropped quick in one go if your that much under your handicap, I got dropped 5 shots in one day because I played 8 shots under my handicap and played so many rounds under in a row
Liam, quite happy with my handicap index. This year I went from 17 down to 13, was struggling to play at 13 so my handicap index is 15. Suits people who play lots of different courses.
You will play off 95% of your handicap in comps with the WHC System, I was off 14 hcap in Oct but now 13.1 in Nov. Now I played in an open in Dubai under the new system and I was given 15 Hcap index because the course is much harder than my home club. I think we have to give it 6 months to settle down and by then we will be hopefully out playing normal golf and comps so by April we can roll with it
Was playing the best golf of my life and it’s given me extra shots 🙊 removed my exceptional scoring reduction. Went from 10.4 to 11.8 but get 13 shots on my course as slope rating is 128 off yellow tees
I watched the video of James Robinson using your tips, not bad tip for a non golfer😎
My index went up .8. What really changed was the strokes allowed for a course. That dropped about 4. Southern California.
From 9.4 to 7.6 playing 8 on my course Elgin golf club Scotland.
I have handed in around 40+ rounds this season. going from 18.0 to 19.2 . some days I play like a rookie, other days I get the ball moved in the general direction more often than not :D
Your co-presenter was correct. 20/26 handicaps are winning nearly all competitions, a different person each week, but there seems to be so many its hardly worth competing.
Hi Liam, we have had the system here in Australia for a while. Initially my golf mate and I thought they had us too low but after a while it adjusts quickly and of late it has been spot on! I have found it very fair and eliminates the burglars!⛳️👍
Much better system and looking forward to putting in all my cards for a more accurate handicap
Best of luck 🤞🍀
Hi Liam, I’m still of the same handicap as before the change, WHS says I’m index 9.1 that gives me a handicap of. 10.3. no change😀😀😀😀😀😀
In the U.S. we have been using this system for several years. It becomes more accurate the more rounds you record . The best thing about this is that it removes the handicap committee from the picture. No more members badgering the committee to try to get more strokes or bitching about other players handicaps.
Very good point Richard, hope your keeping well
Handicap committee would be taking extra shots off in the UK not giving shots back. People will always bitch about handicaps. I’m already getting stick I was 9.6 now 11.7 my mates all lost shots
Only works if everyone is putting on cards regularly.
@@johnnewell3530 the group I regularly play with enter 3 to 4 cards a week. We hole all of our putts and follow all the rules and trust me we are playing for quarters so it’s hard to get anything past them
My handicap went from 24.4 to 24.6. At my home club I was playing off 24 but under new system and slope index now gone to 26?
Great video and editing as always!
Thank you! 🐻
Great camera work vicky, have you met our cameraman 😂
Peter Johnson might have once or twice yeah! 😆
Circle of love .. love it
Don't know if you saw my comment where I went from 17 to +7 in a round. My club accidentally entered my score as 77 stableford points. Apart from shock, I did briefly have the lowest score on record
5.6 isn’t your “handicap”, it’s your handicap index, so your “handicap” might still be 7 at some courses but could be 5, 6 or even 8 at others 👍👍
Yep that's correct - but there are still anomalies - see my post 27/11
@@ChristopherDowning I agree Chris, always going to be anomalies with big changes such as this and definitely some refinements to be made. I do think it’s a great step towards making golf fairer for all. Although, seems in your case that you’re now your club’s biggest bandit... maybe the biggest of all the golf mates! Enjoy it while it lasts and win a few comps for the rest of us mate.
Was 26.2 in October, now 22.8. When playing at my home course I’m still 26 but if a play my old course I’m off 22. I agree with this as my old course is an easier course to play. I like it👍 In time I think we will settle into it.
I've been playing in the Netherlands since I started playing again 2 years ago and the new WHS seems to follow the Europan way of doing things. The course rating is the important part I think. No more rocking up at a harder course and not getting the extra shots we probably need for out own sanity. I also can't wait to come home for a trip and be able to just go out without doing a ridiculous calculation so I know my handicap!
Stay safe pal
They have had slope index on most courses abroad for years
Enjoyed that little Ern makes me laugh. 🏌️♂️⛳👌👍
Haven’t had a handicap for 40 years when it was 9.3. It’s just a number Liam don’t worry yourself about 1 shot... Hahaha.
Old handicap -0.2, new handicap index is -1.2 which gives me plus 1 at my home course. Most old world cat 1 golfers at my club have lost 1, 2 or 3 shots. Loving all the videos btw, helping get me through lockdown 👍🏻
That’s my summer trip sorted😁 a week or weekend to Anglesey and some golf on that course ⛳️⛳️⛳️
Have fun
Bull bay a decent course to
Well worth a visit Gareth, I'm definately going back when the weather is warm
I’ve gone from 9 to 5.4, not played in any comps this year but I recorded 12 supplementary cards to ensure
The WHS could issue an accurate index for me. I think once we all get familiar with it , it’ll settle down and be a fairer system.
I still shoot the odd shocker but hey , a bad day on the golf course is far better than a good day at work.😀
don't know how many comps you enter Liam, but you need 20 cards in to really get a proper index. they take the best 8 scores from your last 20. if you haven't put in 20 it can hammer you
I’ve only had 18 put in and scores from my previous clue are not in - does that mean I have been put. a lower index than I should ?
@@crispyduck1706 it means that your index will be the average of your best 6 if you only have 18 scores recorded, so it doesn't necessarily mean you'd be lower or higher, hope that helps 👍
@@crispyduck1706 it will work out your best 8 scores from 20 competition round's! Another two rounds better or worse will give you your overall handicap index! You will most likely stay what you are now maybe give or take a little! It's also got a soft and hard handicap adjustment of 5 shots!
Well done in what looked like extremely tough conditions. Fabulous looking course. I just don't get this new HC system or the need to change what was working well and seemed fair but we're stuck with it now. ....
I was quite happily playing off 17, WHS has decided to up that to 18 which makes 19 off the yellows at my place.
Happy days
23,9 --> 25,4
Started this season at 44, one great round in august and dropped to 23,6, haven't been able to play at that lavel since. So looking forward to play from the new index.
As has been mentioned in a few posts your handicap is not 5.6, you handicap index is. This will allow you to calculate your course handicap wherever you play. So your course handicap at your home course should be about the same as you old CONGU handicap which I am assuming is a higher slope rating than the average slope rating of 113. My home course for instance is a slope rating of 105 so you would be a lower handicap if you played at our course as it will be easier to play than your home course. It is a great system they have introduced and will help so many people when they play at different courses and help give a true representation of people's handicaps. It is especially worthwhile when you play things like inter-club competitions against other clubs at other courses and makes it a lot fairer.
Handicap, started the year at 24, got down to 22.4, and now with the new World Handicap System I'm down to 20.4 at my home course.
Sounds like it’s a bit nippy, can here camera man josh shivering 🥶 😂 cracking video again keep up the good work 👍🏌🏿♂️
Glad you enjoyed
It was brass monkey weather
@@peterjohnson1799 haha it looked it mate .
Is that Mr Lover Lover Ebay Pete ? I’v got some cracking clubs listed at the minute pal 😎
Hey Liam, in Australia we've been playing to this new system for a while now and it does make a difference when you play different courses. Not all courses are as easy or hard as your home course so it does "flatten" the playing field a little better and it will catch up with most of the Bandits.
As far as i know, on my home course, I am still playing off 26. I'll have to see when I get back.
not bad!
Love your channel. Haven't done a handicap since I started back playing late last year. Probably close to a 9. I think if I could play with half of your wonderful attitude I believe I could cut my handicap in half. Keep up the great work and keep playing.
My handicap has gone up! Don`t know why, but I`ll take it!
Nice one 👌
Why are you happy with extra shots Jim if you don’t think it’s correct
@@johnnewell3530, I am not a member of a club or take part in any competitions and only play the game for fun with my mates, so I`ll never stress as to what the number I apparently play off is. If the new system says it goes up, happy days! If the new system says it goes down, that`s fine too, just so long as I have a laugh while I`m playing. I understand that some people are fixated on reducing their handicap, and good luck to them, but the only time I ever gave a damn was trying to get from a 10 to a 9 and I got to the point I really wasn`t enjoying the game, so I gave up for 2 years, came back playing off 20, having fun again, and haven`t cared since. Only a game after all!
@@jimscott5900 all good when you’re playing for fun. Hcp’s are all about playing against other golfers an a fair basis. When one of those players doesn’t have the right hcp it buggers up the fairness. So you’re all good. Let the rest of us worry about the bandits
Liam, I was 19 and now 18 under the new whs. good video thanks
New handy cap is all down to how hard the course is you are playing an easier course than your own course
yes true
Best 8 rounds from your last 20 go into the sum. It’s a very fair way of bringing everyone onto the same system and making handicaps accurate from course to course
20.0 went up to 21.4
Liam Chorlton is short and easy compared to most unlucky
Its not that easy at all. The slope at chorlton is 135. Its harder than you think. Off the whites its almost 6000yrd. But most holes.are fairly.narrow and tree lined.
I'd add to that. Short courses are by no means easy. Greens on the longer courses are from experience easier. The short courses have to make up for the lack of distance with harder greens and hazards.
If the course was easy his hcp would go up on most courses I’m reliably told Holyhead is testing ,I’ve gone down to 12.6 But will play of 14.8 at home course still because it’s tough to be honest I’ve just played shite this year was so happy it didn’t go up more 😤
21.4 was 18.7 now , that’s thru Golfshake . My club handicap is dormant was 20ish about 5 / 6 years ago , never ever play in comps anymore only have 5 day membership . TBF Pete if he’s knocking it round in 85 ish 13 pretty fair . 6 for Liam tough call that . Great video boys . GOAT . Golf Mates channel . Keep it up 👍
Joined a club just after first lockdown and been putting in cards every week but the club have only submitted my first 3 cards into the system so I have gone up from 22 to 23.5, so going to be called a banit now because my scores have been lower than 22 hcp
When I joined Chorlton, if you were fit and healthy you got 18 maximum and were told you will either go up or down once you started playing comps,. It stopped the bandits and you would find your own level
@@peterjohnson1799 going to look at a new club when this lockdown is over. It is a bit more expensive but looks like run a better and there are other golfmates that are members there
Love the course Liam, reckon you could put together a guide on golf courses you have been too and a little star out of 5? Be good for us golf mates to follow round the courses you play
I was 18 now by stroke index is 14.5 in my club I'm playing of 15.
You will still have to do the calculation. 14.5 index isn't your playing handicap. 14.5 X slope rating / 113 = playing handicap. If your course n tees have slope of 135 like my course does. It would be 14.5 X 135 / 113 = 17 rounded down. 95% hdcp allowance is 16.15 so you'd get 16 shots on a course 135 slope.
@@darrenleake3343 yeah I'm going between 15 and 16 at different club
I've gone from a 13.1 handicap to a 13.5 Handicap Index. I only had 5 rounds that could be used. So happy with where I ended up.
My handicap has gone up 2 strokes at my home club a lot depends how many cards you have submitted and the scores
8 from 20 by all accounts from comments
@@GolfMates so long as you have 20 counting scores recorded in the last 2 years, otherwise theres a different formula until you get 20 in
Old hcp 17.8 , now 16.1 but at my home course where I played 95% of my golf it’s still 18 so the system seems to work 👍💪🏻⛳️
It's all relative where lower handicappers are concerned, others of your handicap Liam, will be dropped, so in terms of competition it doesn't change anything..It's more difficult in terms of playing the course..
The quality and editing in comparison to one year ago is phenomenal! It all looks so fantastic and well put together!
My handicap had exactly gone up from 14 to 17 at my club.
wow!
Hii,Iplay @ stand golf club,my previous handicap was 8.7 & now under the new system my handicap is 7.0.With slope my handicap is 8,so I have lost one shot.The slope system is measured on a 20 handicap v a scratch player.The slope system seems bias towards a 20 handicap rather than a single handicap player.They are going of the length of a hole, rather than toughness.So a 20 handicap, like on your course Liam ,on the front 9 nine is harder & would fine if hard to get on in green in reg, so therefore deemed as a hard hole.Which I think is fair because the back nine is a lot easier.Not all course are the same.I have checked other courses(slope rating) & it seems unfair for a single handicap & here is why.My club stand golf club, the front nine is a lot harder with more positional shots with driver & 3 wood of the tee,the back nine is a lot easier & can hit more waywood tee shots & still have a shot to green,this is back up with the sroke index 1,2,4 & 5 all the front nine,the back nine is longer but easier.The slope rate @ stand says the back is harder.I have played a lot of courses & check there slope rating & found its more leans forwards a higher handicap would play a course rather than lower,it should be both.So basically slope rating does not mean its a harder with a greater slope rating,its more based on how a 20 handicap would play a hole.ie Manchester golf club slope rating 132, is lower then your course Liam & stand & lots of other courses.,which is a bit of a joke & also the back nine is really tough @ Manchester ,but the slope rating says it is slightly easily,only by one.So basically your course Liam has quiet a few long holes on the front ie 1,3,7,8 & 9,hence a high slope rating,I can like you(not all the time get on in 2.)So basically the slope rating is a load of bollocks,but one good thing,people will be more punished for a good score,the one should be changed is when people play in doubles comps or am am there scores should be entered,because you get golfers playing 5 comps on there own course, mucking about & moping up in opens.
Thanks Darren Booth.
P.s play stand golf club & see what you think.
Thing is though Liam, if thats an easy course then I understand..... as you could go next door to a difficult course and be off 8
yes true!
@@Lightandluck 113 is the average not 115. To calculate your handicap you take your index e.g 11.8 times by slope rating 128 for my local divided by 113 which is the standard slope for all courses. So...
11.8*128/113= 13.37 and then round down to 13
Hi I was 7.2 my new h’cap is 5.7 I play out of Tralee Golf Club Southern Ireland a great links course
That's one course on my bucket list Dermot. I believe it's stunning
I wanna see a full 18 from you on a course you know very well
Maybe when back open!
I was off 19.3. My new HC is 18.6. And at my home club, has me playing off 19. So no change at all, although off the whites I get 20, which is nice 👍🏻
Mines gone from 21.6 down to 17.5 so at my home course I’ve dropped 4 shots and need to play at my best now every week
As it should be Chris, you should have to play your best golf to win. Good luck, hope you get down lower.
Hi Liam and fellow golf mates! I don’t believe the WHS is wrong. I was 6.5 now my index is 5.9. Index NOT HANDICAP. My uncle is complaining he’s gone from 33 to 36 but when I’ve checked his scores he hasn’t got near 33 in two year and it would have taken him another 30 competitive rounds going up point .1 to get where he should be. Don’t forget you shouldn’t be playing to your handicap each round. My playing handicap is 7 at my course. And I think it’ll look more consistent down the line based on averages and does get the new higher handicappers down quickly. Think it’ll prevent temper tantrums and NRs as you’re always fighting for your best average. I’ve got some 82s dropping off I need to better or replace so rather than go up.1 shooting 82 I’ll be maintaining. Ever fancy a trip to @boltonoldlinks let me know!
9:30 - 'he's hit a belter' .... he missed the green by 30yds! lol
Standard 😂
That was a belter for me🤣🤣
Always enjoy Pete and you playing golf together.🤓
My World handicap has gone down, but because of our course slope rating it has gone up at my home course. You should come down to Temple in Berkshire and try us out.
Gone from 26 to a 22.1 Liam, but only have 4 scorecards in, not had a HC for long :). Love the vids, keep making us smile with what your doing! Top man!
Well done getting across the border, how did you slip the Welsh border guards on the A55 ? 😉
Hi Liam, another great video, was just wondering how you got into caddying?
Introduced to Dan through golfmates. Maybe offer to caddy at any local events.
Liam, you will go to some courses and be off 10, others you will be off four. Tony from NZ
I worked really hard over the summer to my handicap down to 13.4 from 18, new system comes in and gives me 14.9 !! I had hoped it would take me down more in my quest for single figures
Liam, we in south Africa, have been moaning about this new handicap, we now have players, off 42, and nothing we can do about it.
so good luck with the arguments you're going to have. goodluck
Personally 36 should be the absolute maximum if you can't get on the green on a par 4 in 4 shots and 2 putt then you shouldn't be in a legitimate competition. However You should be able to go higher in your social club so terrible golfers still get to play amd a chance to reduce their hcp
We have some players off 60 at my club
@@garyfardon8841 impossible. The maximum handicap index is 54.
@@diogeneslantern18 Yes but if you are playing off a course index of 127 then you will find your handicap index will be 60.69. 54 /113 x 127 =60.69
simples.
@@garyfardon8841 There is no such thing as course index. There is course handicap based on handicap index.
In France we have been using an "hybrid" system (with slopes and all but 0.1 points up and getting cut on good performances) before and we use the WHS since January. I've lost a few shots (because my previous index was not really representative as I don't play often in competition). Now it's a bit more volatile (you get up faster when going through a bad patch, but you can get down again faster, as well). I guess you've had a few good rounds and possibly some on hard courses (west lancs ?) as it's only the average of the 8 best adjusted scores out of the last 20, you can easily have an index of 5.9... and get a handicap of 7 from the white tees in many places !
You'll still get the bandits throwing a few high score rounds in to get there shots back 😊
Could happen 😂 we know who they are!! 👍
Fully agree, I’ve stopped playing in handicap events for that very reason. And giving 100% handicap on partners & skin games is just ridiculous in my opinion.
But with the new WHS they will need to consistently play worse than their 8 best rounds (out the last 20). If they make say 40 points in a tournament, it will take them 20 rounds to erase that again. It can be done, but it will require a lot of planning and insight to their own statistics.
On top of this there is the course/weather condition adjustment. This takes place at the end of the day looking at all the scores on the course and changes “par” from 36 points upwards or downwards depending on the average scores. Hence if you are fiddling your score to stay below 36 you might still get adjustment to your handicap.
You don’t necessarily have to play a round to post a score. I would prefer a “tournament only” posting system, which is what we use at our club here in California.
@@ianmalcolm2552 in Denmark we have used course rating and HDC for private rounds for several years. The new WHS starting in Jan 2021 will give some adjustments, but not a lot. Could you cheat under the existing system? Yes and some did although you had to play 10 “bad” rounds to gain a stroke. We have to announce whether a private round is “counting” before we tee off. From 2021 I think it will be even more difficult to cheat because you will have to play for 25 to 30 point on purpose for maybe 5 to 10 rounds in a row to change your WHS.
My index is 9.3 which equates to 11 at my track (or 10 if 90% in comps). Prior to WHS my handicap was 10.7 (11) so no real change. But...
I play 50+ qualifiers a year. I think it will have the biggest impact on those who have played few comps.
Those jets are from RAF valley, if you wave and they see you they will acknowledge you by tilting there wings 🛩️, nice.
Gone up from 18 to 20 playing my home course off 21 now. Works for me.
You robbed that poor fella of a birdie on the first hole - it was the flag leaning towards him that stopped it going in there...
I'm with you pal, I reckon I'm owed a fiver
Dirty dog Liam
Elevated greens. Ugh! Weather looks fantastic. Looks like a great time.
I went from 18 to 11.7!! I think there’s been a mistake!
Wow!!
@@GolfMates seems a bit to low but looking forward to trying to play to it next year 😁
Hi James mine went from 17.7 to 10.9, no more money matches for me.
@@jackbailey7184 don’t get me wrong I’m pleased to be cut, but yeah I’ll have to keep the yo-yo’s in my pocket haha
Prepare yourself for some embarrassing rounds! 😂😂😝
Liam I went on howdidido looked my my last20 scores took the best 8 and took the average, and I ended up at the same Handicap index for my course, so it does work. When I play an easier course it will go down and vice versa for a harder one.
Pete is right! I think this system is to encourage new player’s. 1.5 down to 0.1🤔
Impressive. Best of luck 🍀😊
Used to be 15.7 new H/C 18.8 club slop = 20.6 love it
Sam
Glasgow
My dad has just been cut from 6 to 2.8 and he’s pissed right off
Don't blame him
Isn't the aim of the game to get a low handicap?
Also what does he play off at his course?
I'm 19.2 but play off 21 at my local course. (I was 18.6 handicap on old system but that was with a 0.5 exceptional score cut which disappeared on changeover)
I was 15.6 before WHS, then on the initial H/C went to 14.7 but now it’s live it’s down to 14.0, winner winner, chicken and rice dinner.... handicap just a number Liam.... it’s just golf and I’ve missed it... bloody Covid-19