yeah. the cobra, to me, is actually a pretty slick move if a pilot can use it in action. Every time i think of it, it reminds of the movie "Top Gun" when Mavrick does almost the same thing
I was just checking out the video clip SU radar system (awsome must see). Wow!!!. It can detect the enemy like 400 Km and engage 30 different targets (All at once). Very cool. There was another clip very cool. It is the best aircrafts of the world and the Typhoon ranks like number one, but to me, the SU 37 & Mig 35. Must see to believe!.
I hope you still want an educated answer. This is a carefully practiced aerobatic maneuver. It involves a pre-determined approach speed (~300 kts as a guess?) and a rapid deceleration in the vertical plane. By pulling maximum available G, the pilot quickly bleeds airspeed using the Su-27's massive cross-section as an airbrake. At the top of the loop, the aircraft's pitching momentum continues, but the flight track is still forward. The natural tendency of the plane is to recover nose-down.
@featheredmusic Aye, the brittish Harrier also got a special "manouver" if that is what people want to call it. It uses its moveable thrusters to almoust stop instantly, similar to the cobra manouver.
@nexus1g Cobra is meant for air-to-air combat. It is used to get behind your attacker by climbing into a cloud, pulling a cobra, then surprising your oponent. Can also be used as a last chance move if your attackers airplane is superior. A better move is what is called a spin cobra, where you pull a high G cobra while applying full rudder to make the aircraft bleed speed while pulling less Gs and then diving straight down for airspeed, then pulling up to engage your enemy from bottom to top.
We did this in sweden with our old J-35 Draken back in the 50's and 60's when russia still were flying busses. It's also called a swedish cobra or superstall.
I'm not sure, but stuff like what you said have happened before. The Mil Mi-24 (Hind) helicopter managed to pull of barrel rolls, which its creator and design engineers once thought was impossible for the helicopter.
Sukhoi knew that every Su's aredinamic was good enough to get and edge on the manouvers, but Pugachev tough it was possible to go beyond the expectations and tried to make the plane almost stop or reduce speed fast enough to let the enemy jet fly by him, then he tried the Cobra(90º) and was a success, he went further and made the Super Cobra (90º~180º) and the Kulbit (360º)
Although the Cobra Maneuver does slow down your aircraft, that does have its advantages. A chasing aircraft may not be able to decelerate as quickly and can overshoot you, giving you an advantageous firing position. Also, a slow aircraft can turn tighter, giving a considerable advantage in a dogfight. Because most dogfights depend upon the maneuvering of an aircraft at low speeds, post-stall manuevering similar to that demonstrated in the Cobra is incredibly useful.
I'm with you there. One of my all time favorite planes is the A-10 warthog... and come on, it doesn't get much uglier than that. Definitely serves a purpose though.
Speed of close combat is 400-600km/chas. At these speeds of SU are ready to perform maneuvers, and not collapse from the stress. I have not seen the video F-22 did Kobra at the speed of 600 km / h. Many exercises can be used in hand-to-hand combat. Many maneuvers can not be due to overloading the pilot.
@AKAtheA Oh, I see your point. Your right, it might rip the wings off. But again, in below Mach 1 dogfight scenario it might be an impressive sight if both planes do the maneuver to out-maneuver each other. Thanks for the replys.
The Mig 29 OVT is also very good. In the Movie Stealth, these planes fight two of the Stealth planes that are by far more futuristic than the F 22 and they almost lost to the SU from this clips. What does that tell me?. Obviously, that the F22's aren't a match to the SU.
@SuperSukhoi30 I love aerobatic maneuvers and the Cobra is certainly an impressive demonstration of pitch control and AoA stability. And you're probably right about American pilots (at least in 4th gen fighters) because the maneuver has no practical use in ACM. U.S. 4th generation fighters have more than proven their air superiority in combat. Historical fact.
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@arafat88ryu something tells me, that doing a cobra @ mach 1,5 will leave the plane (and the pilot) in a state that the other bird won't even have to shoot...
actually if you do this at dogfighting speeds you run the risk of ripping your wings off due to the amount of force. This manuever is being performed near 200-240 meaning you would have already lost from slowing down. Dog fighting is about angles, not yank and bank.
I like your response, but this is typically incorrect. The modern dogfight has no place for aircraft at a standstill. Typically, if one fighter has a firing position, weapons will be employed before there is time to perform a post-stall maneuver. (Excluding the case of the classic 'scissors' degeneration.) In modern combat, a slow aircraft is a dead one, especially in many-aircraft engagements. There are few if any times a "Cobra" maneuver would be emplyed as anything but a last ditch. Regards
I dont get what you saying, all i know is the f-22's thrust vectoring goe up 20 degree's and the su-35bm goes up 15 degrees. 2d thrust vectoring is good enough, the f-22 is obviously is better anyways.
@105Raptor when you design a jet for a similiar purpose chances are they might look the same, if you wanna tell someone they are copying another country's airplane then you know what, your right, one learns from another, scavenge what works and improve it for the better, that is how creativity works
Russian pilots were doing the maneuver since `89. There weren't any thrust vectoring on the Su-27 nore the Mig 29 at the time. To top it off the Mig-29's of that era didn't have a fly-by-wire system.
The same maneuver that called Kulbit performs F-22 is not Kulbit. It's simply a smooth revolution. Kulbit can be seen here at 1.45 min. /watch?v=oF345YYCWeE
@nexus1g Dont change the subject just because it suits you. However, spin cobra is one if not the best move you can perform when beeing chased at close range, such as in training. In real world situation with modern fighters if you even manage to visually confirm your air-to-air target you are in luck, fire and forget is now THE tatic for air-to-air combat, close/mid range fights where manouverability gives you advantage is very rare these days.
@105Raptor indeed my friend. Raptor is a very nice plane and i consider it best in world. but su30mki (shown above) is best in maneuvering). and Raptor is 5th gen so not comparable.
I wonder if when designing the aircraft they knew it would be capable of this, or did a pilot just fuck up one day pull out and say.... SHIT that was cool I'll do it again?
Looking at the paint scheme (jagged beige and brown) it is a SU-37 in this video. The SU-35, SU-30MKI, SU-30MKM, J-10, J-11, and F-22 can all do Pugachev's Cobra.
Modern aircraft have a strong system to counter missiles. The number of missiles in an airplane is not enough. dogfighting is inevitable at the meeting of modern aircraft.
That's a movie, bud. The British FRS.1 Sea Harrier WAS employed against USAF F-15's with great success in training exercises using rapid-deceleration maneuvers. However, these tests were done in a less than realistic environment. And it does not mean it's still a viable tactic. With more lethal weaponry and longer range engagements, a slow aircraft is a sitting duck. Look at the harrier's real engagements over San Carlos waters: all about detection and positioning, with no low-speed maneuvering.
@e1gr It's just for showing off. The cobra is completely useless in combat for two reasons: 1. You have to be going slow prior to starting the maneuver because of the immense negative G's on the pilot. 2. It brings you almost to a stop which leaves a lightly-armored air superiority fighter a sitting duck to fire from the ground and other aircraft in the vicinity.
@codywaynejones Maverick reduced his thrust output and pulled the stick back. There was no cobra maneuver. He just pitched upward and slowed down briefly.
no. this is performed only in a dogfight. best time to do it when you are in "scissors" with your opponent. the slowest plane wins. but not only then, there are many situations to use cobra for your advantage.
@AKAtheA Thats what I said, risky tactic. There are certain limitation that human body cant take, but jet fighter pilots are some of the job that stresses human body to its limit. Some pilots maybe cant but some will. Yet again, if the pilot are brave & skilled enough to do the maneuver, I think he can pull it of.
@105Raptor The reason why many jet fighters look the same is because of aerodynamics, not because of cool looks. If Russia make a similar plane to America it is because that shape gives ultimate flight maneuverability.
in a dog fight if there is a plane behind, this plane can perform a pugachev maneuver and and get behind the other plane and shoot it down. Its very impressive.
@TheJeffreyklm Aye but I was just pointing out that this manouver on its own isnt that unique. There was for ex. a swedish plane before the russian ones called "Draken" that could do a very similiar manouver.
Yeah!. One time I went outside to check my new GPS & I saw a jet fighter flying by. It was weird because even though it was in the USA the jet fighter was different. A few days later I told my friend about it and he told me those were UN jet fighters protecting US air space because the US at that time ran out of jet fighters. That was a few years ago during Bush.
stealth is just a myth man...more the stealth, less is the performance...but I would accept the thrust vectoring is doing a good job for f22...but Su 30mki was the first operational fighter in the world to be fitted with thrust vectoring, so it means we r one up in the game..lol
@wildfrenzy What are you talking about Russia is in a clime of their economy, infact they are doing that well the U.S is in debt to them, i would love to know where the hell you got that from xD
The same here man, the f-22 can stay in complete vertical hover and can perform move stunning and better looking cobra maneuvers with it 3 trila bite computer (that's a lot) Also the the f-22 can go mach 2.5+ which is the same as the f-15 eagle, the su-37,27,30,47 only go an average of mach 2.2. Also the f-22 can super cruise at mach 1.7 . The f-22 can maneuver better because it has 70,000 pounds of thrust with giant elevators so it can do better maneuvers than the small control surface using su
yes... kulbit sumersault can be done by eurofighter as well... the typhoon is so fuckin' manoverable. you can't believe it until you see it yourself - go to airpower 2009 or farnborough or something. ef is just stunning.
Bro this is super cobra...
yeah. the cobra, to me, is actually a pretty slick move if a pilot can use it in action. Every time i think of it, it reminds of the movie "Top Gun" when Mavrick does almost the same thing
My favourite series of fighter =D
Su-27, 30, 33 etc ...
holy shit amazing !
I was just checking out the video clip SU radar system (awsome must see).
Wow!!!. It can detect the enemy like 400 Km and engage 30 different targets (All at once).
Very cool.
There was another clip very cool. It is the best aircrafts of the world and the Typhoon ranks like number one, but to me, the SU 37 & Mig 35. Must see to believe!.
Me too, the first time I did it, I was hooked and kept doing it as much as I could until I ran low on fuel.
I hope you still want an educated answer. This is a carefully practiced aerobatic maneuver. It involves a pre-determined approach speed (~300 kts as a guess?) and a rapid deceleration in the vertical plane. By pulling maximum available G, the pilot quickly bleeds airspeed using the Su-27's massive cross-section as an airbrake. At the top of the loop, the aircraft's pitching momentum continues, but the flight track is still forward. The natural tendency of the plane is to recover nose-down.
I remember when I was little I went to this massive airshow in Russia..Awesome xD
whats with that russian 5th gen lol. it looks pretty simialar to the raptor, was your country trying to copy america (no offense)?
tried this in bf 3 it, cant, thrust vector not applied in game
that is cool as hell
I like the controlled flat spin if the plane has thrust vectoring because it can follow the enemy plane basically wherever it goes
@featheredmusic Aye, the brittish Harrier also got a special "manouver" if that is what people want to call it. It uses its moveable thrusters to almoust stop instantly, similar to the cobra manouver.
It's like drifting for fighter jets.
@cf80to01 I think it uses those thrusters for vertical landing and take off, but i guess you COULD use them to pull one off.
The U.S. Navy would love to have the Su-27. It has excellent range, radar, and missiles.....but you didnt here it from me...lol
@nexus1g Cobra is meant for air-to-air combat. It is used to get behind your attacker by climbing into a cloud, pulling a cobra, then surprising your oponent. Can also be used as a last chance move if your attackers airplane is superior.
A better move is what is called a spin cobra, where you pull a high G cobra while applying full rudder to make the aircraft bleed speed while pulling less Gs and then diving straight down for airspeed, then pulling up to engage your enemy from bottom to top.
We did this in sweden with our old J-35 Draken back in the 50's and 60's when russia still were flying busses. It's also called a swedish cobra or superstall.
Right on, thank you for fighting the good fight. ;)
I'm not sure, but stuff like what you said have happened before. The Mil Mi-24 (Hind) helicopter managed to pull of barrel rolls, which its creator and design engineers once thought was impossible for the helicopter.
I dont know about this, but with Mi 24 (hind) helicopters it happened exactly like that,when pilots learned to do saltos in order to avoid stingers :)
LOL I bet the pilot shat his pants when it happened though
Sukhoi knew that every Su's aredinamic was good enough to get and edge on the manouvers, but Pugachev tough it was possible to go beyond the expectations and tried to make the plane almost stop or reduce speed fast enough to let the enemy jet fly by him, then he tried the Cobra(90º) and was a success, he went further and made the Super Cobra (90º~180º) and the Kulbit (360º)
what's the song?
super Amazing performance SU-37
yo, does anybody knows whats the movement u have to do with the controls to make this? do u have to use brakes or something like that?
Although the Cobra Maneuver does slow down your aircraft, that does have its advantages. A chasing aircraft may not be able to decelerate as quickly and can overshoot you, giving you an advantageous firing position. Also, a slow aircraft can turn tighter, giving a considerable advantage in a dogfight. Because most dogfights depend upon the maneuvering of an aircraft at low speeds, post-stall manuevering similar to that demonstrated in the Cobra is incredibly useful.
I'm with you there. One of my all time favorite planes is the A-10 warthog... and come on, it doesn't get much uglier than that. Definitely serves a purpose though.
Speed of close combat is 400-600km/chas.
At these speeds of SU are ready to perform maneuvers, and not collapse from the stress. I have not seen the video F-22 did Kobra at the speed of 600 km / h. Many exercises can be used in hand-to-hand combat. Many maneuvers can not be due to overloading the pilot.
@TheSilentwarrior99 So what does that have to do with its effectiveness in combat?
@AKAtheA Oh, I see your point. Your right, it might rip the wings off. But again, in below Mach 1 dogfight scenario it might be an impressive sight if both planes do the maneuver to out-maneuver each other. Thanks for the replys.
What is the weight of F-22? SU-35BM?
Obviously not, the JAS 39 is a single engined plane. It's either Su-30, 33 or 35... or a 37.
The Mig 29 OVT is also very good.
In the Movie Stealth, these planes fight two of the Stealth planes that are by far more futuristic than the F 22 and they almost lost to the SU from this clips.
What does that tell me?. Obviously, that the F22's aren't a match to the SU.
@SuperSukhoi30 I love aerobatic maneuvers and the Cobra is certainly an impressive demonstration of pitch control and AoA stability. And you're probably right about American pilots (at least in 4th gen fighters) because the maneuver has no practical use in ACM. U.S. 4th generation fighters have more than proven their air superiority in combat. Historical fact.
@burner188 yup, in iraq F-15c had no problem shooting down the mig 29's which also do the cobra.
Of course! But the engines on the Su-35 and MIG-29OVT demonstrated high reliability.
@arafat88ryu I don't doubt the boldness of the pilot, but all of these cobra maneuvers you get to see are done in mach
is this theswedish JAS 39 GRIPEN?
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@arafat88ryu something tells me, that doing a cobra @ mach 1,5 will leave the plane (and the pilot) in a state that the other bird won't even have to shoot...
F-22 is a nicer looking and better jet, but this one does the cobra so well lol
Anyone know what this maneuver is used for? Angle of attack?
Seems to me that would put unneccessary torque on the airframe and you might get a wing separation over time.
Cobra is performed at a relatively low speed, about 400 Km/h or even lower.So pilot doesn't have to pull so much G.
actually if you do this at dogfighting speeds you run the risk of ripping your wings off due to the amount of force. This manuever is being performed near 200-240 meaning you would have already lost from slowing down. Dog fighting is about angles, not yank and bank.
It's a mix of both. Because if you look realy closely at the engine you will see that they are moving.
@PashaOrehov the only problem is that it is first in service in 2015, and is not the best figther since it is not combat proffen
on topic this really is some mad maneuver
pilot's thoughts - SHITSHITSHITSHITSHITSHITSHIT Okay... i made it... again!
I like your response, but this is typically incorrect. The modern dogfight has no place for aircraft at a standstill. Typically, if one fighter has a firing position, weapons will be employed before there is time to perform a post-stall maneuver. (Excluding the case of the classic 'scissors' degeneration.) In modern combat, a slow aircraft is a dead one, especially in many-aircraft engagements. There are few if any times a "Cobra" maneuver would be emplyed as anything but a last ditch.
Regards
So can the su-37 which is the evolution of the su-27 so what is your point?
I dont get what you saying, all i know is the f-22's thrust vectoring goe up 20 degree's and the su-35bm goes up 15 degrees. 2d thrust vectoring is good enough, the f-22 is obviously is better anyways.
@105Raptor
when you design a jet for a similiar purpose chances are they might look the same, if you wanna tell someone they are copying another country's airplane then you know what, your right, one learns from another, scavenge what works and improve it for the better, that is how creativity works
@nexus1g Exactly. It is not useful for combat. However there are other manouvers who are very good for combat. Spin cobra beeing one of them.
Russian pilots were doing the maneuver since `89. There weren't any thrust vectoring on the Su-27 nore the Mig 29 at the time. To top it off the Mig-29's of that era didn't have a fly-by-wire system.
The same maneuver that called Kulbit performs F-22 is not Kulbit. It's simply a smooth revolution. Kulbit can be seen here at 1.45 min.
/watch?v=oF345YYCWeE
amazing it doesnt stalls
@ysflightman well to update what you just said the f-22 and the f-15 active can do the cobra muenuver just as well
@nexus1g Dont change the subject just because it suits you. However, spin cobra is one if not the best move you can perform when beeing chased at close range, such as in training. In real world situation with modern fighters if you even manage to visually confirm your air-to-air target you are in luck, fire and forget is now THE tatic for air-to-air combat, close/mid range fights where manouverability gives you advantage is very rare these days.
Stealth doesnt mean they're completely invisable to radar. Reduced radar detection range yes, but not invisable.
lol 2012 is a good movie
Esto si es la cobra
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@105Raptor
indeed my friend. Raptor is a very nice plane and i consider it best in world.
but su30mki (shown above) is best in maneuvering). and Raptor is 5th gen so not comparable.
F-22 engine changes direction in the 1 plane. Engine SU-35BM change at all levels.
@artaza99 The maneuver is named by the way the jet leans back and then shunts forward like a cobra (the snake that is) striking
I wonder if when designing the aircraft they knew it would be capable of this, or did a pilot just fuck up one day pull out and say.... SHIT that was cool I'll do it again?
Looking at the paint scheme (jagged beige and brown) it is a SU-37 in this video. The SU-35, SU-30MKI, SU-30MKM, J-10, J-11, and F-22 can all do Pugachev's Cobra.
Modern aircraft have a strong system to counter missiles. The number of missiles in an airplane is not enough. dogfighting is inevitable at the meeting of modern aircraft.
For ur info... the radars on Su-30 MKI is so advanced, that one single jet can act as a mini AWACS system...LOL
That's a movie, bud. The British FRS.1 Sea Harrier WAS employed against USAF F-15's with great success in training exercises using rapid-deceleration maneuvers. However, these tests were done in a less than realistic environment. And it does not mean it's still a viable tactic. With more lethal weaponry and longer range engagements, a slow aircraft is a sitting duck. Look at the harrier's real engagements over San Carlos waters: all about detection and positioning, with no low-speed maneuvering.
ok u got me fucked up if i ever see a jet do that in real life thats the day i join the airforce cuz that is sum crazy shit.
The first known Cobra maneuver was performed by the Swedish J-35 Draken (Dragon).
El apellido del piloto ruso quien invento la maniobra kulbit ( cobra ) es Pugachev.
Have you ever though its a good way for a plane chaseing him to zoom past so he could get a shot?
@e1gr It's just for showing off. The cobra is completely useless in combat for two reasons: 1. You have to be going slow prior to starting the maneuver because of the immense negative G's on the pilot. 2. It brings you almost to a stop which leaves a lightly-armored air superiority fighter a sitting duck to fire from the ground and other aircraft in the vicinity.
@codywaynejones Maverick reduced his thrust output and pulled the stick back. There was no cobra maneuver. He just pitched upward and slowed down briefly.
no. this is performed only in a dogfight. best time to do it when you are in "scissors" with your opponent. the slowest plane wins. but not only then, there are many situations to use cobra for your advantage.
@Germanyisthebest1 It has been used in combat. Now it won't work for obvious reasons but it was quite successful back in the days.
@AKAtheA Thats what I said, risky tactic. There are certain limitation that human body cant take, but jet fighter pilots are some of the job that stresses human body to its limit. Some pilots maybe cant but some will. Yet again, if the pilot are brave & skilled enough to do the maneuver, I think he can pull it of.
@105Raptor
The reason why many jet fighters look the same is because of aerodynamics, not because of cool looks. If Russia make a similar plane to America it is because that shape gives ultimate flight maneuverability.
@Vyppaaa11 and history repeats itself look at how sukhoi t-50 looks alot like the f-22 raptor
This particular maneuver allows the pilot to launch a AA missile directly above him.
in a dog fight if there is a plane behind, this plane can perform a pugachev maneuver and and get behind the other plane and shoot it down. Its very impressive.
@TheJeffreyklm Aye but I was just pointing out that this manouver on its own isnt that unique. There was for ex. a swedish plane before the russian ones called "Draken" that could do a very similiar manouver.
Yeah!. One time I went outside to check my new GPS & I saw a jet fighter flying by. It was weird because even though it was in the USA the jet fighter was different.
A few days later I told my friend about it and he told me those were UN jet fighters protecting US air space because the US at that time ran out of jet fighters.
That was a few years ago during Bush.
@houle520 Hm...ok, sorry, i'm not a specialist :D, thanks for correcting me...we're here to learn, no? :D
What is that smoke ?
could you imagine the g's that pilot is taking, holy shit....
hahaha very cool what you said. i like it
Not convinced until we see some footage... :)
stealth is just a myth man...more the stealth, less is the performance...but I would accept the thrust vectoring is doing a good job for f22...but Su 30mki was the first operational fighter in the world to be fitted with thrust vectoring, so it means we r one up in the game..lol
@wildfrenzy What are you talking about Russia is in a clime of their economy, infact they are doing that well the U.S is in debt to them, i would love to know where the hell you got that from xD
Saab J35 Draken can do this. =)
First flight 1955.
The same here man, the f-22 can stay in complete vertical hover and can perform move stunning and better looking cobra maneuvers with it 3 trila bite computer (that's a lot) Also the the f-22 can go mach 2.5+ which is the same as the f-15 eagle, the su-37,27,30,47 only go an average of mach 2.2. Also the f-22 can super cruise at mach 1.7 . The f-22 can maneuver better because it has 70,000 pounds of thrust with giant elevators so it can do better maneuvers than the small control surface using su
I wonder how many G's that is? Anyone know?
Come on guys are you, like, little kids?^^
Unless there is a plane at his 6 ready to open fire.
Then he does his little trick and the trailer over shoots and gets guns up his tail pipe.
indeed, now the EU and US planes are known to be able to do Cobra, if the pilots are up to it.
yes... kulbit sumersault can be done by eurofighter as well... the typhoon is so fuckin' manoverable. you can't believe it until you see it yourself - go to airpower 2009 or farnborough or something. ef is just stunning.