Never once in the gameplay trailer does she eliminate an enemy at full health with one shot. It's far more likely two headshots will be enough to takedown Duelists (250 base health) or three body shots.
Nah it’s a reasonable reaction. These are the types of characters that can ruin a game single-handedly. I’ve got faith the Marvel Rivals team will make the necessary adjustments to ensure the game is as balanced as possible though nonetheless.
@@anonymouss.2158 majority of characters released have insane vertical mobility, all the headshots shown were of people at like 3/4ths health and lower as well. It should be easier than ever to back line widow or rush her if pretty much every character has a sort of leap, double jump, wall run ect
I think people watched the trailer and assumed that she can just one-shot squishies at full health but that doesn't seem to be the case when we look more closely. Many of her targets in the trailer are not at full health and we've even heard one of the developers debunking one-shots in the official Discord. I suspect that once people see her properly in-game, a lot of the anxiety will dissipate.
The game has a lot of movement and honestly Hawkeye also is going take skill so no need to nerf (there skill gap if you using the movement of your character like wall run or catching a opponent off guard)
It seems more like Widow is going to be better for picking off injured heroes while Hawkeye is the one to either reduce their health or one shot them depending on how good their aim is.
It’s really not that big of a deal 😂. People are just finding something to complain about at this point. I feel like the majority of people complaining about BW are Overwatch players; specifically the ones who simply don’t want the game to succeed because it might prove to be a better game than Overwatch which in my opinion it already is from the art style, the music, the characters, and the gameplay. Overall it’s fun and enjoyable, something I don’t get from playing Overwatch anymore. This is coming from a person who’s played both Overwatch and Marvel Rivals. So for you complainers out there lighten up and enjoy the game…Or don’t, that’s on you 😂
I think if she’s going to be able to one shot she should at least need to charge up her sniper shot for that to happen. but then again idk the devs say she’s not going to be as bad to fight against as everyone is saying she will be so guess we will have to see.
That's why I told everyone to just wait until we see characters in actual match scenarios. People didn't think Iron Fist was good and then were saying he needs to be nerfed after watching him in a match
Hawkeye already has the charge up shot niche....one way I can see it is to lower her damage but has penetration, or rate of fire goes down. Not sure, however probably in gameplay, other duelist could kill her as she is squishy. But adjustments could be made in the near future because the dev didnt have enough data to confirm she is OP or not
@ysrayl Please explain what her mobility options are for escaping and reaching vantage points. It should be easy if you actually watch my video. I go over the entire trailer in slow motion. I'll wait
Black Widow has a sprint AND a sniper, but I don’t see that as an issue, because they’ll likely balance this out with BW taking significantly higher damage than most.
1. It's a single shot ultimate. Everyone who actually played the game knows that's not a lot of damage for that type of Ultimate. 2. They were at less than half health when the plasma shot hit them so it was even less impressive.
I think she's fine..she won't stay so far in the back bc her kit can make her viable in the mid range of the fights too..Also we have many, many dive characters so i think she won't be able to do so much if a good dive will focus on her..🤷 Also as devs don't force u to 2 2 2, people can makde different teams that can work..The thing is that the game doesn't foce u to play only support,tank or dps bc there is no role queue and if someone from the enemy team just focuses on you, you have the ability to switch accordingly and beat him.. It won't be as bad as in OW bc in OW u are forced to go a specific character to counter, here is more like :"U get bullied by Black Widow bc u play support no problem u can go whatever character ur better on and bully her"..The game can change so much just by one ult of different characters.. Everything is broken=Everything is balanced..
I think a huge reason this game feels so fun to play personally is because rather than nerfing any op heroes into hell (like overwatch) they seemingly buffed everyone else to make them just as strong. To me, it doesn't matter if you can get one-shot by widow because you can by multiple other heroes, on top of being vulnerable to crazy hero combos from spider-man or winter soldier. It feels so satisfying to pull off a combo on somebody, and the ability to quickly take out any target (even hulk, for example) makes the character you play truly feel powerful. Every hero in the game actually feels like a superhero this way. If they were all low power, and it took forever to kill anyone there wouldn't be any "super" factor. I would rather the game raise the skill floor by forcing people to think about things they usually don't in low skill games/ranks, like cooldowns, positioning, counters, and team synergy to avoid being picked off immediately.
Well said. I think a big part of the reason the game feels so good is that the devs are actually passionate and play the game. We saw in the stream last night the devs were giving Necros a lot of problems even on his Spider-Man and he's like a top 5 Rivals player in the world.
Yeah I agree with buffing over nerfing but when it gets to the point where you have to switch your whole play style or it effects how much fun you’re having heavily that’s when the line should be drawn imo
@ Totally agree, I’ve always been the type of player to enjoy almost every role, so I don’t want to speak for people who primarily play a couple characters. I completely understand enjoying a specific few characters, and it sucks when they get easily countered or aren’t the “meta”. I think I’ve seen enough effort in from the devs that I can trust them to make the right decisions in making every hero feel fun to play, even under pressure. I do believe I heard in a dev Q&A that widow won’t actually be able to one-shot, so the heroes in the trailer were not full health. They also mentioned sniper heroes would be much harder to play than other hero shooters, much more movement oriented in order to survive, which I like much more than standing around hard-scoping lmao
I mean fair to have bad expections since most of the time sniper allways oneshot if its headshot. But if I remember right black widows sniper will do around 120 damage per shot 😮😮😮😮😮😮
There is so much mobility and dive in this game already, she will get cooked. Plus the trailer is meant to be a showcase, they are obviously gonna make her go off in thebl trailer. I think we are gonna be fine
This game will cook unlike others like Valorant, Marvel Rivals have high mobility even travelling from spawn point wont be as boring, because players got so many ways to traverse the map
they always make trailers look good, that’s the whole reason of advertising, she’s obviously gonna have her counters, i mean you could just wait for her to use her e ability and then the second character dives in and she’s basically dead
Although black widow could become a real problem, I don’t think people are taking into consideration how much this isn’t overwatch. First off this game plays way faster and characters have way more movement. Secondly this is 6v6 and a lot of first picks won’t be as detrimental as in overwatch. Then you got a lot of revive stuff like rocket and Adam warlock in case someone eats a headshot too early into a fight. And you also got panther and spider man who are going to be virtually impossible to snipe when diving. The mobile tanks could also probably man handle a widow like a venom. That said widow and Hawkeye will still probably be really strong because they can pop off with their playstyle but will run into a lot of counters and a gameplay flow that doesn’t favor their playstyle.
I can see her having a smaller health pool but Rivals lets you play multiple heroes from every role. If there’s a Widow just use more Vanguards or use hit and run characters like Spider-man or Black panther.
I don't think they're touching her health pool. 250 hp with no armor or healing skills makes her easy to deal with. Especially since she can't grapple like Punisher, can't double jump or dash
I think she’ll be fine because if you look at a kill feed or pay attention to your teammate and how they died to widow I would logically think I need to take cover and run into a safe place immediately the figure out how to cooperate and coordinate to beat her, simply put. Especially if she used that Ultimate, plus I bet there are voice lines that warn us like in Overwatch when it comes to certain abilities, maybe even a sniper glint since we don’t see this from an opponents point of view
I just think that when you make a long range hero, make them weak at close range. Overwatch lost this mindset which is why the overwatch players are worried
What people also gotta understand is those enemies was bots so they didnt move as much. In regular matches people will move a lot so it'll be hard to land your shots with a fast target so black widow is in a fair state no need to cry talking about nerfing automatically just because of her rifle yall really have to look into her before automatically saying oh she needs a nerf look at hawkeye yall seen his kit too
That's not true at all. They both can. The trailers don't have all the enemies at full health but you can clearly tell by the damage. We've also seen actual Hawkeye gameplay in matches that confirms he can.
Actually Widow is very fast and Hawkeye has great mobility for escaping and reaching vantage points. The difficulty of running Hawkeye is you need really good aim. That doesn't seem to be the case with Widow but we won't know how she performs in a real match until tonight
@@SadotTheGamer right, well at the end of the day it'll be if people work together, cos if someone playing a character that widow could easily demolish keeps rushing her and guys who could defeat her ignore her, you're gonna get some complaints
Lol wow a sniper that one shots or two shots.....isnt that what a sniper suppose to do and if its a headshot it should be a one shot no need to nerf black widow or ban her
@@KingGojira-nj1ci it’s the Overwatch players whining about one shots because this season especially, Widowmaker is dominating games (who is a sniper one shot character)
Why is flats going to be there if all he did was say how 5v5 was better than 6v6 while being paid to say this and only plays quick play? I’m hella confused
Flats was there because he's a very popular Overwatch streamer that started making very popular Marvel Rivals content, so NetEase offered him money to stream the game to his very large audience of hero shooter fans to promote Marvel Rivals, a game that is a hero shooter.
@ thank you for confirming, also I didn’t mean to take away from your video I just am mad at the ow community and they’re flocking to this game and I hope it doesn’t get ruined by nerfs to good hero’s and buffs or ignoring actual problems in game
It's a good thing that Overwatch players are flocking to this game. That's why the devs designed the game the way they did. To take away from the Overwatch audience. So far balancing has been fine
@ And you can say the same for her. Ain’t no casual is gonna 1 shot with a sniper with an enemy that close to there face. Will she be good for the top tier players most likely. But for 90% of the players I highly doubt it.
@@SadotTheGamer your right it is easier to snipe ppl especially if your sitting at the back of the map. However to easily counter just use a hero with high mobility to rush her. 90% of players are not gonna headshot some rushing her as long as they’re not brain dead and running in a straight line.
We'll see tonight how she performs in a real comp match, but I don't think she has enough in her kit to justify that kind of nerf. She can't even double jump and she can only grapple after landing a kick.
@ If her head shot is trully a one shot, then whenever a melee character goes to attack her, she could use her melee skill to knock them back in a predictable range, instantly aim at their head and quickscope a headshot. But that is only theoretical and you might be right. Let’s wait for the gameplay and see if this nerf is warranted or not. But I do believe that, if she has such an amazing offensive capability in a safe range, she needs to be very easy to kill when that range gap is closed.
Never once in the gameplay trailer does she eliminate an enemy at full health with one shot.
It's far more likely two headshots will be enough to takedown Duelists (250 base health) or three body shots.
Punisher was literally 1!!!!
People need to stop crying
Nah it’s a reasonable reaction. These are the types of characters that can ruin a game single-handedly. I’ve got faith the Marvel Rivals team will make the necessary adjustments to ensure the game is as balanced as possible though nonetheless.
People like you are why games balancing goes horribly. This isn’t crying it’s reasonable criticism
It’s not reasonable because you haven’t played it 😂😂😂 it’s a trailer for black widow she needs to look good
Bunch of crybabies games not even out yet.
@@anonymouss.2158 majority of characters released have insane vertical mobility, all the headshots shown were of people at like 3/4ths health and lower as well. It should be easier than ever to back line widow or rush her if pretty much every character has a sort of leap, double jump, wall run ect
I think people watched the trailer and assumed that she can just one-shot squishies at full health but that doesn't seem to be the case when we look more closely. Many of her targets in the trailer are not at full health and we've even heard one of the developers debunking one-shots in the official Discord. I suspect that once people see her properly in-game, a lot of the anxiety will dissipate.
The game has a lot of movement and honestly Hawkeye also is going take skill so no need to nerf (there skill gap if you using the movement of your character like wall run or catching a opponent off guard)
It seems more like Widow is going to be better for picking off injured heroes while Hawkeye is the one to either reduce their health or one shot them depending on how good their aim is.
From what I seen she doesn't one shot according to a developer she well balanced also bc of the characters movements makes her balanced
It’s really not that big of a deal 😂. People are just finding something to complain about at this point. I feel like the majority of people complaining about BW are Overwatch players; specifically the ones who simply don’t want the game to succeed because it might prove to be a better game than Overwatch which in my opinion it already is from the art style, the music, the characters, and the gameplay. Overall it’s fun and enjoyable, something I don’t get from playing Overwatch anymore. This is coming from a person who’s played both Overwatch and Marvel Rivals. So for you complainers out there lighten up and enjoy the game…Or don’t, that’s on you 😂
Agreed 💯.
I think if she’s going to be able to one shot she should at least need to charge up her sniper shot for that to happen. but then again idk the devs say she’s not going to be as bad to fight against as everyone is saying she will be so guess we will have to see.
That's why I told everyone to just wait until we see characters in actual match scenarios. People didn't think Iron Fist was good and then were saying he needs to be nerfed after watching him in a match
@@SadotTheGamer He definitively doesn’t need a nerf. He’s in a good spot.
Hawkeye already has the charge up shot niche....one way I can see it is to lower her damage but has penetration, or rate of fire goes down. Not sure, however probably in gameplay, other duelist could kill her as she is squishy. But adjustments could be made in the near future because the dev didnt have enough data to confirm she is OP or not
@SadotTheGamer You said that she doesn't have any mobility options😂🤣. Did you even watch the trailer?
@ysrayl Please explain what her mobility options are for escaping and reaching vantage points. It should be easy if you actually watch my video. I go over the entire trailer in slow motion. I'll wait
Just make her 2 shot to head simple and done!
Black Widow has a sprint AND a sniper, but I don’t see that as an issue, because they’ll likely balance this out with BW taking significantly higher damage than most.
“Plasma shot doesn’t do much damage” shows it take like 75% off two heroes
1. It's a single shot ultimate. Everyone who actually played the game knows that's not a lot of damage for that type of Ultimate.
2. They were at less than half health when the plasma shot hit them so it was even less impressive.
I think she's fine..she won't stay so far in the back bc her kit can make her viable in the mid range of the fights too..Also we have many, many dive characters so i think she won't be able to do so much if a good dive will focus on her..🤷
Also as devs don't force u to 2 2 2, people can makde different teams that can work..The thing is that the game doesn't foce u to play only support,tank or dps bc there is no role queue and if someone from the enemy team just focuses on you, you have the ability to switch accordingly and beat him.. It won't be as bad as in OW bc in OW u are forced to go a specific character to counter, here is more like :"U get bullied by Black Widow bc u play support no problem u can go whatever character ur better on and bully her"..The game can change so much just by one ult of different characters.. Everything is broken=Everything is balanced..
I think a huge reason this game feels so fun to play personally is because rather than nerfing any op heroes into hell (like overwatch) they seemingly buffed everyone else to make them just as strong. To me, it doesn't matter if you can get one-shot by widow because you can by multiple other heroes, on top of being vulnerable to crazy hero combos from spider-man or winter soldier. It feels so satisfying to pull off a combo on somebody, and the ability to quickly take out any target (even hulk, for example) makes the character you play truly feel powerful. Every hero in the game actually feels like a superhero this way. If they were all low power, and it took forever to kill anyone there wouldn't be any "super" factor. I would rather the game raise the skill floor by forcing people to think about things they usually don't in low skill games/ranks, like cooldowns, positioning, counters, and team synergy to avoid being picked off immediately.
Well said. I think a big part of the reason the game feels so good is that the devs are actually passionate and play the game. We saw in the stream last night the devs were giving Necros a lot of problems even on his Spider-Man and he's like a top 5 Rivals player in the world.
Buffs >>>>> Nerfs 💯
Yeah I agree with buffing over nerfing but when it gets to the point where you have to switch your whole play style or it effects how much fun you’re having heavily that’s when the line should be drawn imo
@ Totally agree, I’ve always been the type of player to enjoy almost every role, so I don’t want to speak for people who primarily play a couple characters. I completely understand enjoying a specific few characters, and it sucks when they get easily countered or aren’t the “meta”. I think I’ve seen enough effort in from the devs that I can trust them to make the right decisions in making every hero feel fun to play, even under pressure. I do believe I heard in a dev Q&A that widow won’t actually be able to one-shot, so the heroes in the trailer were not full health. They also mentioned sniper heroes would be much harder to play than other hero shooters, much more movement oriented in order to survive, which I like much more than standing around hard-scoping lmao
I mean fair to have bad expections since most of the time sniper allways oneshot if its headshot. But if I remember right black widows sniper will do around 120 damage per shot 😮😮😮😮😮😮
There is so much mobility and dive in this game already, she will get cooked. Plus the trailer is meant to be a showcase, they are obviously gonna make her go off in thebl trailer. I think we are gonna be fine
This game will cook unlike others like Valorant, Marvel Rivals have high mobility even travelling from spawn point wont be as boring, because players got so many ways to traverse the map
what is a lot of "dive"?
they always make trailers look good, that’s the whole reason of advertising, she’s obviously gonna have her counters, i mean you could just wait for her to use her e ability and then the second character dives in and she’s basically dead
Thank you for not overhyping her
Although black widow could become a real problem, I don’t think people are taking into consideration how much this isn’t overwatch. First off this game plays way faster and characters have way more movement. Secondly this is 6v6 and a lot of first picks won’t be as detrimental as in overwatch. Then you got a lot of revive stuff like rocket and Adam warlock in case someone eats a headshot too early into a fight. And you also got panther and spider man who are going to be virtually impossible to snipe when diving. The mobile tanks could also probably man handle a widow like a venom. That said widow and Hawkeye will still probably be really strong because they can pop off with their playstyle but will run into a lot of counters and a gameplay flow that doesn’t favor their playstyle.
I can see her having a smaller health pool but Rivals lets you play multiple heroes from every role. If there’s a Widow just use more Vanguards or use hit and run characters like Spider-man or Black panther.
I don't think they're touching her health pool. 250 hp with no armor or healing skills makes her easy to deal with. Especially since she can't grapple like Punisher, can't double jump or dash
I think she’ll be fine because if you look at a kill feed or pay attention to your teammate and how they died to widow I would logically think I need to take cover and run into a safe place immediately the figure out how to cooperate and coordinate to beat her, simply put. Especially if she used that Ultimate, plus I bet there are voice lines that warn us like in Overwatch when it comes to certain abilities, maybe even a sniper glint since we don’t see this from an opponents point of view
Reasonable reaction tbh
Black widow has been through enough in the MCU, let her be OP
I just think that when you make a long range hero, make them weak at close range. Overwatch lost this mindset which is why the overwatch players are worried
In my opinion it’s to make her viable since she has to face against heroes who can heal themselves constantly
What’s up Sadot! Thanks for these updates man!
Watching the trailer showed you can see that no one she engaged has full hp so it’s probably fine
she's Widowmaker with self peel and a teamfight ultimate
What's up Sadot
Yo! I think we found your replacement for the Punisher
@SadotTheGamer I think you're right! I can't wait to try her out! See you tonight for her gameplay.
Sup sadot how IS you day today and i got one qeusting do you think that carange IS gonna BE in spider man2 dlc (pls bro Tell me)
What people also gotta understand is those enemies was bots so they didnt move as much. In regular matches people will move a lot so it'll be hard to land your shots with a fast target so black widow is in a fair state no need to cry talking about nerfing automatically just because of her rifle yall really have to look into her before automatically saying oh she needs a nerf look at hawkeye yall seen his kit too
Gotta play this legendary Avenger in Marvel Rivals
you don't like a sniper, then don't get caught
"Pre nerf" ??? Widow is dominant right now in overwatch lol
Who is here in 1897
She looks soooooooooo sick I can’t friggen wait!
We might not get to play her if she gets banned
but black widow just can work good on mr xd
i dont think either hawk or widow can one shot, they always exaggerate the characters for trailers
That's not true at all. They both can. The trailers don't have all the enemies at full health but you can clearly tell by the damage. We've also seen actual Hawkeye gameplay in matches that confirms he can.
@@SadotTheGamer ohh, well, i still dont think it'll be unbalanced, concidering they are both rather slow with little movement options
Actually Widow is very fast and Hawkeye has great mobility for escaping and reaching vantage points. The difficulty of running Hawkeye is you need really good aim. That doesn't seem to be the case with Widow but we won't know how she performs in a real match until tonight
@@SadotTheGamer right, well at the end of the day it'll be if people work together, cos if someone playing a character that widow could easily demolish keeps rushing her and guys who could defeat her ignore her, you're gonna get some complaints
Please no nerfs everything op
Lol wow a sniper that one shots or two shots.....isnt that what a sniper suppose to do and if its a headshot it should be a one shot no need to nerf black widow or ban her
@@KingGojira-nj1ci it’s the Overwatch players whining about one shots because this season especially, Widowmaker is dominating games (who is a sniper one shot character)
@papasmurfy8021 🤣🤣 lol overwatch players don't even know about marvel they just playing the game because it's like overwatch 🤣🤣
People need to wait to actually play the game
In think the bow hero is more strong then this sniper hero
It will be terrible expirience to play agianst good Black Widow.
good luck for the supports.
Why is flats going to be there if all he did was say how 5v5 was better than 6v6 while being paid to say this and only plays quick play? I’m hella confused
Flats was there because he's a very popular Overwatch streamer that started making very popular Marvel Rivals content, so NetEase offered him money to stream the game to his very large audience of hero shooter fans to promote Marvel Rivals, a game that is a hero shooter.
@ thank you for confirming, also I didn’t mean to take away from your video I just am mad at the ow community and they’re flocking to this game and I hope it doesn’t get ruined by nerfs to good hero’s and buffs or ignoring actual problems in game
It's a good thing that Overwatch players are flocking to this game. That's why the devs designed the game the way they did. To take away from the Overwatch audience. So far balancing has been fine
Stronger than widow
Look, I'm just happy they didn't give Black Widow a hapsberg jaw, rectangle build, or flat behind like many games have been doing lately
I havw no prublme with it. But ik that she is gonna get nerfed aswell. So to all the babys, yall can stop crying
who is they? who wants to ban it? wtf are you talking about? why clickbait something that doesnt need clickbait?
Literally answered in the first 10 seconds of the video LMAFO
Bro Spider-Man will absolutely counter tf outta her. Ppl be crying abt anything 😂
Correction: 2 percent of Spider-Man players would counter tf outta her. The rest would get one shot after missing the combo
@ And you can say the same for her. Ain’t no casual is gonna 1 shot with a sniper with an enemy that close to there face. Will she be good for the top tier players most likely. But for 90% of the players I highly doubt it.
And Punisher with his Shotgun or Turret would do good against her. Tbh, I think Hela and Mantis will be her biggest issue from a distance
You can't actually say the same. It's 100 times easier to pull off a one shot with Black Widow than it is to do it with Spider-Man.
@@SadotTheGamer your right it is easier to snipe ppl especially if your sitting at the back of the map. However to easily counter just use a hero with high mobility to rush her. 90% of players are not gonna headshot some rushing her as long as they’re not brain dead and running in a straight line.
nuh her ult is dog shit and she is giving 240hp on headshot so she is balansed character
She should have 200hp
We'll see tonight how she performs in a real comp match, but I don't think she has enough in her kit to justify that kind of nerf. She can't even double jump and she can only grapple after landing a kick.
@ If her head shot is trully a one shot, then whenever a melee character goes to attack her, she could use her melee skill to knock them back in a predictable range, instantly aim at their head and quickscope a headshot.
But that is only theoretical and you might be right. Let’s wait for the gameplay and see if this nerf is warranted or not. But I do believe that, if she has such an amazing offensive capability in a safe range, she needs to be very easy to kill when that range gap is closed.
I honesty need more hand-to-hand combat in this game
Play Iron Fist then 😊
The majority of characters in this game are meele characters while only 4 or 5 characters out of the 33 use guns.