TBC for VHS and Hi-8 transfers to the PC.

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  • @gavsmith1980
    @gavsmith1980 3 года назад +8

    Word of warning for anyone hoping to capture VHS tapes with a Blackmagic Design Intensity Shuttle, you will need either a VHS player with TBC built in, or an external TBC. Otherwise you will have empty black frames in your capture, no matter which program you're using it to capture with.
    I figured it would be a step up from the cheap USB capture dongles which last you only so many tapes, but on it's own, it's an expensive step backwards. it demands a more perfectly synchronised signal than the cheap ones, so is, on it's own, ironically, less useful for VHS capture than a device a tenth of the price.

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  3 года назад +3

      I stated the Intensity Shuttle will benefit from the use of a TBC. That is why I still recommend the Firewire DV converters in 2021 for VHS capture as seen in the video link below.
      ruclips.net/video/5nubVDZvzNA/видео.html

    • @gavsmith1980
      @gavsmith1980 3 года назад +5

      @@TechTVusa
      It’s not quite accurate to merely say it “benefits” from a tbc, for VHS capture it will need one, whether it’s built into the VCR or done externally.

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  3 года назад +2

      @@gavsmith1980 I tend to agree but the Intensity Shuttle can capture brand new VHS tapes just fine but not old worn out VHS tapes. That is why I recommended the firewire based DV converters. I do not state the Intensity Shuttle can clean up the video signal. The Intensity Shuttle also works great for game capture and live streaming. A lot of people use it that way without a TBC. I admit I should have stated for old worn out VHS tapes a TBC is required. In the video link below (I recommended people watch it) I show the Intensity Shuttle capturing a brand new VHS tape with no TBC. At then end I try to capture an old worn out VHS tape without success.
      ruclips.net/video/PTQYJKQpazk/видео.html

    • @NBAONDVD
      @NBAONDVD 3 года назад +1

      @@TechTVusa which of the three Dv converters has a TBC built in? Whether do I need an extra TBC with the ADVC110 ? The capture problem I am facing is that the PR always stops capturing . What should I do?

    • @TTVEaGMXde
      @TTVEaGMXde 4 месяца назад

      I have never been able to get Blackmagic Intensity PRO (PCIe) and Shuttle (USB3 IC from VIA) to work properly. When I wrote to European support in the UK that with Stop at dropped frames on (Media Express factory setting is off) it stopped after about 2 minutes and 50 seconds even with a DVD player as a PAL source, they still claimed that it were my PCs. My 3 different PCs ran for practically the same short amount of time. TV Engineer from Hamburg (Germany)

  • @jefjaeger
    @jefjaeger 3 года назад +3

    I have the Canopus ADVC-110 - it is great, but has no Time Base Correction built in. I still need one for some video tapes. Almost exclusively when video tapes were recorded a the slow EP speed. They almost never track well. TBC would be your only chance to fix the issue. Unfortunately, good TBC units are expensive now if you can find them at all. I would recommend looking at the Ensemble Brighteye 3, 5, and 75. Still being made today. Expensive, but new and current.

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  3 года назад +1

      The ADVC 110 does have a TBC built in just like my Hi-8 and some VHS decks have a TBC built in. If the ADVC 110 did not have the basic functions of a TBC it would have the same problems as the Intensity Shuttle. Having said that if your videos are really bad there are products that can allow you to control and manipulate certain parameters more than a basic TBC.

    • @jefjaeger
      @jefjaeger 3 года назад +1

      @@TechTVusa - I have seen no text anywhere that describes a TBC feature on the ADVC-110 (the user manual included). I use JVC VCRs with TBC, and run them right into my ADVC-110 before going into the computer via Firewire. Some of the VHS tapes I am capturing absolutely exhibit the characteristics of time base errors despite running through the VCR known to have TBC and the ADVC-110. Admittedly, most do not. But some, especially older tapes, and again those recorded on LP or EP clearly do. I would love to see evidence of the ADVC-110 having a TBC feature.

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  3 года назад

      @@jefjaeger As I stated if the ADVC 110 did not have some sort of TBC built in it would not be able to capture old worn out VHS tapes. The TBC will only make sure the timing is 29.97 fps or 59.94i fields. There are video processing device that will give you much more control and even compensate for horizontal and vertical sync issues. A TBC is not design to do that. The videos below might be worth watching.
      ruclips.net/video/dVLUxRkPMdA/видео.html
      ruclips.net/video/5nubVDZvzNA/видео.html

    • @jefjaeger
      @jefjaeger 3 года назад

      @@TechTVusa Thanks...I will check them out...

    • @jefjaeger
      @jefjaeger 3 года назад +1

      @@TechTVusa I think you are misunderstanding. I have a business that does these transfers (among other things). The videos are for beginners. I do this stuff every day for clients and have been for years. Also, I already have the ADVC-110 and purchased it way back in 2008. It does a great job most of the time, but some tapes need a professional TBC to get good results.

  • @rxz4140
    @rxz4140 4 года назад +2

    Would using a DVX100b camera for VHS capture work well for this issue as well?

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  4 года назад +1

      Most Fire Wire DV camcorders can work for VHS transfers.

  • @pabloschaffner9419
    @pabloschaffner9419 3 года назад +1

    Ah, more good info here. So for Hi8 capture the Canopus ADVC110 and the ADS Pyro AV would be superior to the Intensity Shuttle if your camera did not have an in-built TBC? I can't find any info on whether my Sony TRV46E has TBC or not :(

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  3 года назад

      The TBC option would be in the menu. I used to favor the ADVC 110 but I now favor all other Firewire DV converters over the ADVC 110. I will have a video up soon explaining why.

    • @pabloschaffner9419
      @pabloschaffner9419 3 года назад

      @@TechTVusa aahhh, it does. Thanks for your help. Your videos are outstanding BTW. I shall subscribe right now :)

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  3 года назад

      @@pabloschaffner9419 Thanks. I am glad I could help.

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  3 года назад

      My latest video might be worth watching. I left a link below.
      ruclips.net/video/5nubVDZvzNA/видео.html

    • @pabloschaffner9419
      @pabloschaffner9419 3 года назад

      @@TechTVusa excellent, thanks :)

  • @ArderH
    @ArderH 5 месяцев назад

    Hey, what do you suggest for trasnfer S-VHS tapes on pc (i need it for a short movie)? something easy if it's possible ahah. Where i live i can not find second hand stuff like these.

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  5 месяцев назад

      The Firewire DV converters will work with iMovie and FCPX but Premiere Pro recently stop video capture support. The video link below might be helpful.
      ruclips.net/video/vqCi9B_7mdU/видео.html

  • @fernandoguerrero8008
    @fernandoguerrero8008 2 года назад

    Thanks for the video, I love your channel.
    Would you say there is no difference between your two firewire capture cards ADS and Canopus?
    Both capture PAL?
    Thank you!

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  2 года назад

      All Firewire based DV converters should work about the same. I used to have a DAC-100. Some Firewire DV camcorders can be used as a pass through DV converter.

  • @AGStudiosUK
    @AGStudiosUK 4 года назад +1

    I cannot find any of these items available. Great review tho and thanks- I just wondered if you thought this would be ok?... Canopus ADVC-1000 Advanced DV Converter (found it on eBay) your thoughts please? I am transferring old vhs tapes into premier and the sound goes out of sync at present

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  4 года назад

      You have to buy Firewire DV converters used. That being said I don't think the ADVC 1000 can accept the RCA composite video for input. It was designed to work with broadcast quality tape decks with BNC connectors.

    • @AGStudiosUK
      @AGStudiosUK 4 года назад

      Perhaps I could use a bnc to phono connector?

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  4 года назад

      @@AGStudiosUK Get a generic Firewire DV converter with consumer I/O options like an ADVC 110, ADVC 300, DAC-100 or ADS PYRO A/V Link.

  • @rogerstern4991
    @rogerstern4991 3 года назад +1

    Thanks for this informative video. I bought the Canopus ADVC110 years ago anticipating that I would be digitizing my Hi8 tapes. However, I've been worried about the things I've read recently about the lossiness of the DV codec, especially when recompressing to mp4 or mp2. Given that issue, do you still recommend the Canopus over a lossless capture with or without a TBC? If I do go that route what TBC would you recomment.
    Thanks

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  3 года назад

      The Canopus ADVC 110 is probably going to have better image quality than any of the $50.00 USB options. The video link below might be helpful.
      ruclips.net/video/dVLUxRkPMdA/видео.html

    • @NBAONDVD
      @NBAONDVD 2 года назад

      @@TechTVusa I use DPS575 and X75

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  2 года назад

      @@NBAONDVD Is it better than using the ADVC 110? Perhaps you should do a RUclips video. I will have a few more videos about VHS capture soon.

    • @NBAONDVD
      @NBAONDVD 2 года назад

      @@TechTVusa My English is not very good lol

  • @weversonsilva4699
    @weversonsilva4699 Год назад +1

    Olá!
    Sou do Brasil e sempre tive uma experiência muito boa, em converter VHS para editar e transformar em DVD, 20 depois ativei meu setup e comprei, pinnacle para converter mas não gostei do resultado, comprei Blackmagic intensity shuttle, já melhor muito, e hoje uso junto com o VMIX 25, gosto do resultado, pois não tem atraso de áudio, quando a falha em alguma parte do VHS volta sem problemas. E o resultado é ótimo.
    Gostaria muito de comprar dv firewre com TBC, você indica uma loja?

  • @federicobarone
    @federicobarone 4 года назад +2

    Hi, with the intensity pro 4k I need a TBC too?

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  4 года назад +2

      I am not sure but I would tend to think you would need a TBC.

  • @techguypaul
    @techguypaul 5 лет назад +1

    I've watched several of the videos you've recommended to others in the comments of each of these videos and I still don't have an answer for this. If I want to capture an old VHS movie to put on my movie server, which should I use? On an older MBP, I was able to get my ADVC-100 to bypass Macrovision. I now have the newest MBP and have not been able to get it to work at all through my Thunderbolt 3 dock that has a FW800 port. I like BMD products, but I don't want to get the Intensity Shuttle if I can't use it for this. I'm using a Sony VCR to play the VHS tape. I've seen all the stuff about TBC and you talking about how the Intensity Shuttle needs a "strong signal", but I'm still confused as to what that means aside from worn tapes not working.

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  5 лет назад

      The Intensity Shuttle needs a signal that was laid down by broadcast quality equipment as opposed to a VCR from Best Buy.

    • @techguypaul
      @techguypaul 5 лет назад +1

      @@TechTVusa does composite or s-video matter for that? So if I had a pro VHS player, does that get rid of the Macrovision issue?

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  5 лет назад

      All VCRs are different. The ADVC 110 has hardware to clean up the video signal the Intensity Shuttle does not. The video link might be worth watching.
      ruclips.net/video/Q4zcLU4Cdi8/видео.html

    • @techguypaul
      @techguypaul 5 лет назад +1

      @@TechTVusa and just to confirm, you got the ADVC 110 working on a Mac with Thunderbolt 3 ports, correct?

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  5 лет назад +1

      @@techguypaul That is correct.

  • @jaredmichaelsobotka3454
    @jaredmichaelsobotka3454 4 года назад

    great video, great info!!!!! Thank you!!!

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  4 года назад

      Glad it was helpful!

  • @alejandrolamus2133
    @alejandrolamus2133 Месяц назад

    Even with the canopus, capturing with the shuttle (or blackmagic converters like analog to sdi or updowncross) is really hard to pull off if the tape is off, most likely the canopus works just fine with a mac, but if you have a windoes laptop, this is almost impossible to pull off. I've tried both, usb and thunderbolt shuttle, none are working properly with the canopus, I'm looking forward to get a TBC because I'm really trying to get the updown cross up and running without losing frames.

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  Месяц назад

      The Firewire DV converters work just fine for capturing VHS tapes on Mac or PC. The Intensity Shuttle needs a TBC to capture VHS tapes.

  • @DustinScoggin
    @DustinScoggin 3 года назад +1

    I have recently transferred some old VHS tapes to digital via the older model ION Video 2 PC converter (originally these were Super 8 and had them transferred to VHS many moons ago). On playback, there is frame hop/glitch (?) and some weird window pane happening (3-4 sectioning of same image framed like a window pane). I know I'm not terming the issue correctly, so please forgive my lack of video knowledge... Is TBC something that will correct this? When I play the VHS tapes straight to my TV, there is none of the "hop/glitch" or the "window pane" issues whatsoever. Any and all suggestions truly appreciated! Stay well.

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  3 года назад

      I don't think generic TBC will help but I cannot say for sure.

  • @kennylauderdale_en
    @kennylauderdale_en 5 лет назад

    What's the difference between the ADVC-110 & one of those $800 TBC-1000s?

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  5 лет назад

      A TBC by it's self will not capture video. You would need something like the Intensity Shuttle.

    • @kennylauderdale_en
      @kennylauderdale_en 5 лет назад

      @@TechTVusa What TBC would you recommend? I have some tapes with macro & age distortion that the built in TBC in my S-VHS deck can't get around. I feed everything into a capture card on my PC through S-Video if it matters.

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  5 лет назад

      I think as of now you might have to buy them used. I cannot really recommend a TBC because I use the ADVC 110. If the tapes is badly damaged a TBC might not help. The Intensity Shuttle would need a TBC but not the DV converters work just fine without them.

    • @kennylauderdale_en
      @kennylauderdale_en 5 лет назад

      well the ADVC 110 is certainly cheaper than a TBC-1000. I'll have to do more research I guess. Do people ever chain TBCs & these 110s, or would there be no point in doing that?

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  5 лет назад

      The DAC-100, ADS A/V Pryo Link and Canopus ADVC 110 should work as is. The TBC would allow them to continue to capture if the tape is really bad for more than 3 seconds. The DV converters will loos sync and stop capturing but keep in mind the tape would be nothing but noise and static in order for that to happen. The TBC is not going to clean up a damaged tape. It will simply continue to record as opposed to losing sync. The DV converters will clean up worn out tapes but not damaged tapes. Having said that the TBC can help for capturing copyright protected material if your captured device can detect Macro-vision.

  • @Kimble221
    @Kimble221 Год назад

    I just ordered an ADVC110. I know that they do not have a TBC built in, do I need to buy a separate TBC as the vhs player does not have one or isn't one needed?

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  Год назад

      Perhaps you should watch the video again. The ADVC 110 has an integrated chip that handles timing and cleans up old worn out and jittery VHS tapes. The Intensity Shuttle needs a TBC not the ADVC 110. Having said that I have provided a link below that should be helpful.
      ruclips.net/video/-mz7-delWJA/видео.html

  • @DJCAMERA_8
    @DJCAMERA_8 4 года назад

    Hello! Could you give me a piece of advice pls? I have a VHS camera SONY DCR-VX2100E PAL. I need to transfer the videos from the camera to my computer. I have the same flash driver as you do and and Adobe Premium Pro. I cannot capture via these two things. I tried many times and it didn't work. Do I need any extra devices to make it work? Thank you! :)

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  4 года назад

      Flash driver? What is a flash driver? The video below demonstrates what devices I use and why.
      ruclips.net/video/dVLUxRkPMdA/видео.html

  • @EmmettRaccoon
    @EmmettRaccoon 4 года назад

    Random question: what video and audio cables you use? I picked up an ADS and I think it’s emitting some RF noise since I’m getting diagonal interference lines. I know it’s not the tape or VCR since when I have it unplugged the image comes through fine.

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  4 года назад +2

      Your ADS product might be defective. Any cheap Fire Wire cable should work. As should any cheap S-Video or RCA cable. You could invest in a new Fire Wire cable and see if it corrects the problem.

  • @samrobinsonfilm
    @samrobinsonfilm 4 года назад

    Great content thank you

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  4 года назад

      Thanks, you might like some of my other videos.
      ruclips.net/video/ITOO0J27z7E/видео.html

  • @manolouy
    @manolouy 5 лет назад

    Hi, thanks for these videos. I plan to try one of these ADS Tech PYRO A / V Link capturers for its economical price. What is the difference between your ADS Tech PYRO A / V Link model and the model that is called the same but has the curved case at the top. Thanks in advance!

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  5 лет назад

      The internal hardware might have changed slightly but I think both models are probably about the same.

    • @manolouy
      @manolouy 5 лет назад

      @@TechTVusa Thanks for answering. Would you tell me what firmware version your device has? I read that devices with firmware prior to 3.0 have problems with drop frames

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  5 лет назад +1

      I remember reading about that a long time ago (2004). I am not sure what version the firmware is but I bought it in 2009. It can produce color bars so it should at least be version 3.0. Version 3.0 added color bars. If you get color bars you should be good.

  • @akifrostason2898
    @akifrostason2898 5 лет назад

    Is the Canopus ADVC110 compatible with recent mac os such as mojave?

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  5 лет назад

      The video links below might be worth watching.
      ruclips.net/video/vATw63nn3OQ/видео.html
      ruclips.net/video/Q4zcLU4Cdi8/видео.html

  • @JonnyeXoh
    @JonnyeXoh 5 лет назад

    What exactly does it mean to be broadcast compliant?

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  5 лет назад +1

      Broadcast compliant video has a specific frame rates, aspect ratio and resolution. The link below might be worth checking out.
      ruclips.net/video/barrJWuBzCA/видео.html

  • @JnL_SSBM
    @JnL_SSBM 3 года назад

    Any TBC not too expensive?? For people with tight money...

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  3 года назад

      Why would you want a TBC? You would have to buy them used. You would also have to buy the DV Firewire converters used.

    • @JnL_SSBM
      @JnL_SSBM 3 года назад

      @@TechTVusa Why would I want a TBC? Any solution or alternatives to capture good quality VHS?? I have a 2001 Sansui Hi-Fi VCR. I have line-doubler like the RetroTink2x (suitable for retro gaming), and a HDMI capture card. Is it enough?? I really don't know.

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  3 года назад +1

      @@JnL_SSBM Why wouldn't you just buy a Firewire DV converter? Below is a video link to what I have been using since 2014.
      ruclips.net/video/dVLUxRkPMdA/видео.html

    • @JnL_SSBM
      @JnL_SSBM 3 года назад

      @@TechTVusa May I? Until I build my desktop; I have a laptop right now.

  • @fabiano8888
    @fabiano8888 5 лет назад

    I just found out about your channel after many wasted hours where every Google search result tried to sell me the USB Roxio cheap converters. After watching one of your videos I ended up buying a Canopus Twinpact 100 (I just want to convert some VHS to digital). Are there any other products that would give me significant better results than the one I bought? I have watched many of your videos already and they are being really useful for me. Thank you!

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  5 лет назад +1

      If the Twinpact 100 is fire wire I think it would be about the same as a generic DV converter but I cannot say for sure. The cheap capture cards are hit or miss. Some work some don't. You might find the video link below to be useful.
      ruclips.net/video/kszzHAj8I_U/видео.html

    • @fabiano8888
      @fabiano8888 5 лет назад

      @@TechTVusa Thank you.

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  5 лет назад +1

      No problem. I will have more videos in future. I want to get the Intensity Pro 4K.

  • @benkleschinsky
    @benkleschinsky 3 года назад +1

    I think it's imporant that you pointed out that DV compression is designed to make a signal broadcast complient, and not really the best archival purposes. I find that it really lacks the control of a nice TBC espcially with color that some of the more professional units have. I would prefer 4:2:2 for example every time over 4:1:1. I have chroma controls, hue, black level, video level that I can all fiddle with to dial down bleeding and color shifting before it reaches software. The large difference between line and frame TBC. I can perfect the image in the VCR instead of correcting in post process. It allows me to capture a lossless source rather than lossy transfer from a DV converter and colors often benefit. DV converters will do the job for a great price, but of course there are better options out there that will give you better results. This is still a decent fix though if you are on a budget.

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  3 года назад +3

      The link below is to my latest video about VHS capture. It should also be my last video on VHS capture. Is the ADVC 110 Firewire DV converter the best option? Perhaps not.
      ruclips.net/video/5nubVDZvzNA/видео.html

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  Год назад

      You might find the video link below to be helpful.
      ruclips.net/video/e2Qt0rQVRhc/видео.html

  • @bobbydale1938
    @bobbydale1938 4 года назад

    I have the 100 not the 110 ? I have sperate power adapter, thks ,any differances

  • @video2000ification
    @video2000ification 4 года назад

    I've had better luck with the cheap USB dongle as it doesn't drop frames compared to its more expensive counterparts...

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  4 года назад

      You mind find some of my other videos to be of some interest.
      ruclips.net/video/5UsORFTLw4Y/видео.html

    • @video2000ification
      @video2000ification Год назад

      @viking_life Have you tried OBS?
      But yeah, many of the firewire converters drop so many frames it's annoying. I used to transfer the tapes to DVD, then to PC before using the usb

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  Год назад

      The Firewire DV converters have always worked without fail for me.

  • @walterdevos8752
    @walterdevos8752 4 года назад

    It's just frustrating these TBC devices are either exorbitantly expensive, or just unavailable. I'm always on the lookout, but I gave up on the TV-one, CTV100, ADVC110 and the likes. I'm looking into alternatives. There are even some old ATI graphics cards (theather chipsets) that need XP to run (can you imagine...). There are DVD recorders Panasonic ES10 for example, or video mixers with TBC. But It's like much of the sellers do their research and want to make a quick buck for something they'd trow in the trash if not they read about the gold that is called TBC. I'm also hoping someone might actually build an open source version in hardware or based on an SDR (software defined radio) for example. These devices can direct sample many megaherz at once, so they could capture the composite or S-video straight in software and do the "decoding of the video" in software. But until such project exists, I'm hoping the VHS tapes will keep a bit longer, until capturing is actually possible again.

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  4 года назад

      I have never suggesting using a TBC with the ADVC 100. Use the ADVC 110 by it's self. If that does not work the ATI All In Wonder will probably not work either.

  • @southernerman
    @southernerman 3 года назад +1

    is Roland VC-30HD Video Converter is Good For Using as Capture Card?

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  3 года назад +1

      I cannot say one way or the other since I have never used it.

    • @southernerman
      @southernerman 3 года назад

      @@TechTVusa I read in video forums that the AV Toolbox AVT-8710 and Datavideo TBC-1000 are good. Have you had experience working with them and can you tell me based on your experience which model is better? Thanks

    • @TechTVusa
      @TechTVusa  3 года назад

      @@southernerman I never used them but I imagine the TBC-1000 would still require a capture device.