With only 3K miles ridden in 7 years on the garage queen, I think that answers the question of ownership of a sports bike, Andy 😊. Save yourself the road tax, insurance and MOT costs. If there is a future void in the garage that needs filling, buy something that will get ridden 👍
I bought a Gixer750 in '98, sold it in '01 with 14.500miles on the clock, I never really liked the looks but it was a real comfy-all day bike, I've never been one for trinkets in the lounge I don't get that at all.
Personally, my advise is go for the one that gives you a flutter every time you look at it. The bike you turn back and look at once you dismount. The bike that makes you feel special once you have it rumbling between your legs. Being in a position where I can only afford 1 bike I still make this a big thing for me when buying.
Would also like to quote Mr. Regular from the RUclips channel Regular Car Reviews. In his review of the Ducati 999 he says "you don't buy a Ducati to ride it. You buy it for s*x. It's uncomfortable as anything but comfortable bikes aren't s*xy." (apologies for the self-cencoring, I'm not sure how the algorithm work in the comment section)
Personally I wouldn't bother with either unless you regularly do track days. Living in South London and surrounded by speed humps, 20mph limits and an increasing number of average speed sections, I'd update the GS.
Tough decision, however I have a solution! Trade the 899 for the latest Ducati Supersport S. My dealer leant me one when my 950 Multistrada was in for a service. I thought I was going to be cramped and hate it, but it was a revelation! Looks great, plenty fast enough, handles beautifully and surprisingly comfy. I am not a fan of quick shifters on road bikes, but the one on the Supersport was great. A real world sports bike. You can still do your track days too. Only you can ride to the one in Europe! I enjoyed it so much the dealer had to ring me to fetch it back!
Chris, think I may know you ..... East Yorks Guzzi Club? I concur with your comment re the 950 sport. To my mind the most usable sporting Ducati available. Real world performance with a riding position that does not cripple you, and perfect for uk roads. Would love one in the pearlescent white to keep my Guzzi company....... If only funds allowed eh? [Pennine Guzzisti member by the way]
Having ridden the BMW on track days, I concur it’s a brilliant bike. However, I’m older and more arthritic than Andy, and the ergonomics just don’t work for anything more than 20 minute sessions. I’m also incapable of utilizing anything close to its full potential and sort of feel like a poser on it. I bought a new 950 S last year and happy to report it’s fulfilled every expectation. My local track is 50 miles away, but I can ride there, do a full day and ride home with nothing more than the happy fatigue from a fun day. I don’t plan to tour on it (I have a Multi for that) but I’ve done 200 mile road trips with ease. Second the vote also for an elastic garage.
They're both stunning looking bikes but for me to choose it would be the s1000rr. It's got the looks and I think you'll enjoy the fact you'd be riding it more often.Plus you'd still have a sports bike in your collection. Got to be one of the best handling litre bike out there 👌
Ducati's are the Ferrari's of the motorcycle world, beautiful to look at but difficult to ride and expensive to maintain. Hang on a minute, that reminds me of a girl I used to know.
@@evemariedumais1461 good looking bike, practical and usable road power. I don't know why everyone wants 180 bhp when they don't do a track day or very rarely do one. Plenty fast enough and I dont feel the need for anything more.
I'm also changing bikes. I went out and bought a brand new Suzuki SV650, and will be getting rid of my 2021 Yamaha Tenere 700 very soon. The SV650 is cheaper to insure, it returns at least 20mpg more than the Tenere, and I'll have a bit of extra cash in the bank. Absolutely loving riding the SV650, it's very usable, the gear changes are buttery smooth, and it sound fantastic. It would be perfect for your Mrs, as well - 30.9" seat height!
I think they’re both gorgeous bikes, but why have the Ducati depreciate in your garage when the S1000 (or the Streetfighter) would probably be ridden much more? Bikes are for riding after all… 😎
Having any bike sit around isn't very good for the rubber seals and bushes....especially Ducati's, get it out and ride it, you can always do what lambchops did with his h2, higher clipons...plenty on the market, Renthal do great quality adjustable clipons
@@Johnhere OK, maybe the BMW is more comfortable than the 899, but not nearly as comfortable to ride distance as my '17 Ducati SuperSport (which was a main reason for purchase).
I love a Panigale but the S1000rr just makes sense, cruise control, heated grips and all the gizmos it's just the perfect road sportsbike. I did nearly 1300miles in 2days on the older S1000rr and it was fine. It makes a great sports tourer.
Now that you’ve sold the triumph Street Triple I’d sell the 899 and get a Streetfighter. Feels special and much more rideable. The V2 version is £15k so much cheaper too.
I have to agree with most of the comments, the Ducati is a beautiful machine, but from a practical point of view its limited to short rides ant mostly high speed because the twin is lumpy around town, no fuel gauge on a modern bike for me is unforgivable and at a 100 mile range very limiting in my humble opinion, massive Ducati service costs to be factored in would definitely steer me in the direction of the BMW, yes it doesn't have the pazzas of the Ducati but practicality over form should win the day. But hey its not me parting with the 12 "G's" 😁
Riding a superbike is not about practicality, get a GS if you’re into that sort of thing ;-). It is also why I have a BMW K1200S alongside my Panigale V4.
I don't ride a "superbike" but 2 of the guys in my group both have Ducati's and both shy away from rides longer than an hour, so in "again" my humble opinion practicality over form should be a consideration. What's the point of having a "super model " at home if its she's no fun to to out with after 30 minutes 😁
@@caffreysgsarider8531 If someone is not able to ride a superbike for more than an hour, he or she should take a serious look at their physical condition. ;-) I can ride my Ducati all day long, if I get a bit uncomfortable then I’ll need to stop for fuel anyway. But that’s besides the point, it is not a touring bike and it is not meant to doodle around on for an eternity. It is meant to give you a thrilling ride and make you feel special even if it’s just for an hour. There are better bikes to spend on for a day’s touring, like your V Strom, but that really isn’t my point. ;-) People don’t buy superbikes with common sense, so practicality is usually not their first priority…
Mature persons analogy, Panigale 's are like that Album with a fantastic cover and one ground breaking track that you bought it for. The BM is the album you'd take to parties.
I think the S1000R is probably the best "all round" sports bike, if I was only allowed one sports bike that would be it. But worth considering one of the Streetfighters, as you said, but aside from a more upright riding position I don't think they are any more practical than the S1R.
Crikey TMF, I thought I had a bad case of mid life ADHD or middle aged man disease as its also known as, but you take it to another level! The logical answer is to keep the Ducati and place it somewhere in the house, preferably on a turntable with some great lighting around it so you can see it every day and admire those good looks without having to take it out and feel uncomfortable on it. Then you save £12k which you could spend a bit of annually by attending BMW and Ducati trackdays thrashing (and in some cases crashing) their bikes. Another scenario is for you to free up some space in the garage by selling the 899 and the GS and replacing the two with a Ducati Multistrada V2S, that way you get to ride a Ducati on the road and enjoy the specialness of them but in comfort with luggage options. My maths and logic suggests that the second option is the most sensible as you'd have scratched the 7 year itch with the 899, freed up one space in the garage, still have a Ducati to own, ride and enjoy, yet not have had to dig into your pocket to fund the V2S as the combined pot of GS and 899 would cover the new bike. Given your access to other bikes (that you own and test) the 899, or indeed an S1000RR, is never going to get much use and with the GS in the garage you're not going to tour on it - especially with Mrs Flyer on the back (please do post the vlog of the discussion that you have with Mrs Flyer when you tell her that you're both going touring on the S1000RR..............). Hope my thoughts help clarify your position or at least amuse you! However, I know how man maths works so I'm expecting to see a S1000RR in your garage and a Multistrada V4S to replace both the 899 and the GS respectively. Looking forward to the outcome......?
It’s interesting how the tone of your voice changes when riding the two bikes... you sound much more relaxed on the BMW, more ‘focused’ on the 899. In my humble opinion the 899 gives you something unique. Whereas you have other machines in the garage that give you part of/much of what the beemer gives you (in real world conditions).
Best idea would be to trade the 899 in for a v4. Still have that magical ducati to enjoy but the advantages of an upgraded bike ( which is why I assume you are considering the s1000rr )
Excellent video as always ^_^ However, I think you did, perhaps, ‘gloss over’ the BMW’s electronics a bit. Dismissing them as only useful on the track strikes me as a bit silly. ESPECIALLY in Blighty! That traction control alone might save your bacon at a wet roundabout, same for the fancy ABS. And running it in rain mode and critiquing the throttle response is a bit disingenuous, don’t you think? If you don’t ‘need’ the electronics, what are you doing in ‘rain mode’? Just my 2p
👍👍100% correct, I feel much more confident on the S1000RR than I did on my 899 in wet/dry, the tech is there to help save you no matter what you are doing on it.
Can I explore another possibility? You have two basic touring bikes now in the Goldwing and R1200GS so why not part with the GS instead? You can use the Speed Twin and RE for hopping around in traffic and use the S1000 too for in town and intermediate rides. The Ducati is kind of special to look at and ride occasionally. Your 1200GS is about to be another generation behind when the the GS1300 comes out. Let's face it if you later miss the GS there are tons of them out there whereas not so much the Ducati. Let the GS go, pickup the S1000 and keep the Ducati. Later on if you decide to let the Ducati go then if you still miss the GS get the newest GS version out there.
The GS will be the LAST bike out of that garage methinks, unless replaced by a newer one. I'd keep the Ducati because bikes are toys artists the ultimate toy.
I would buy the RR, No question. Bikes are meant to be ridden, and not meant to sit around and depreciate. My last point is that my Ducati is a great bike, I find it very hard .to work - small things like the rear lights and fussing with setting up the various tools. Buy the RR!
When you announced that you had sold the Triumph triple, I knew the Ducati wouldn't be far behind as I would also be reviewing my whole bike collection and deciding what to keep, the question is wether you would ride the BMW any more than the Panigale? probably not as sports bike are, well, Sports bikes, they aren't as comfortable as other bikes with flat bars. The answer though is something you have always said in the past, it's how a bike makes you feel, and the ducati makes you feel great, even if it's only for 40 minutes a time! If you bought the BMW I predict it would be a relatively short term fling with a German floosie and your Italian lover would never forgive you. Ciao.
Sold my 899 a couple of months ago and whilst I do miss it and the "specialness" I had to admit that I was looking at it more than riding it (50 year old with arthritis!!) I now have a 1997 BMW Funduro that i bought for 800 quid to see me through the winter and do you know what? It still brings a smile every-time I ride it and i don't feel so guilty if i don't wash it before putting it away!
Don't do it! You'll regret it. I had a 899, traded it in for a Gsxr1000r. Missed the 'occasion' you mentioned straight away, the specialness on opening the garage. The suzuki was just so efficient,effortlessly fast but soulless. It wasn't a bad bike, but just didn't gel with it. £12,000 to change?!!!! Stick a set of carbon wheels on the 899 and keep it 👌
Tasteful mods as suggested here makes that specialness even better, and you are less likely to have an extra £12k sat depreciating against it, so you may sleep a little easier too.
We call it “The joy of ownership”. A thing of beauty that makes your heart sing when you look at it is a rare and valuable thing. It matters not that you don’t ride it much, you have plenty of other bikes for that. Just because you have a Picasso on the wall doesn’t mean you have to paint, so just get pleasure from walking in and feeling that buzz when you see her, enjoy polishing and keeping her in perfect condition, and now and then when the day is just perfect, take her out, half an hour of joy now and then to make your heart sing and you will know you would regret it if she wasn’t’t in your life.
The panagali won't loose any more value, is there anything that can be done to it to make it more comfortable, gell seat, rear sets, bar risers. LCR has done this with his H2 and got a few vlogs out of it to boot.
I made this very change 3 months ago, after trip to the Cadwell BSB from Jersey on the 899 it was obvious that any real distance wasn’t much fun, pain in wrists after 20 mins. The S1000RR is incredible, comfortable, modern tech with great build quality. Its like going from analog to digital. A fantastic all round bike. Would recommend anyone thinking of one to do it.
I’ve owned an 899 for 4 1/2 years and I was thinking maybe this year I’ll change it for an S1000 RR or an RSV4 Factory. TBH the Duke is still a gorgeous looking bike, it always gives me a buzz when I open the garage door and look at it which I don’t think I’d get that on the Beemer. I also hear lots of S1000RR owners say it does tick so many boxes, comfort, electrics etc but it’s soulless. I think for the cost to change, the looks and the V twin sound I’m daft to change it. I reckon you’ll be keeping your 899 too! If I had the money it would be a 2022 V4S which is beyond drop dead gorgeous however I don’t have the money.
Love my 848 EVO and just finished a rebuild of 899 and it’s a revelation, just can’t relate to something without the Ducati factor, as you say garage vs lounge room? I’ve made my choice, I now own 4 Ducati super bikes.
I got shot of my GSXR the other week, and went to a Ducati Monster. Same problem as you too, I just liked to look at the GSXR in the garage, and I seldom took it out, I jumped on the the GSXS-750 mostly. I did 1400 miles in two years. I always said I bought it with my heart and not my head. The monster will take more looking after etc and cost more to maintain than the GSXR, but i know ill use it more. You've had your fun with the 899, so personally I would go for the Streetfighter! Rob
Just one man's opinion but I'd go for a Ducati SuperSport 950S. It's more comfortable than either the 899 or the 1000RR so it would get ridden more, I think it looks stunning, and has all the performance one can use on the street (or at least all the performance I can use on the street) anyway. YMMV
I’ve had the same problem recently. I had to choose between v4s and s1000rr after selling my gixxer. I ended up with s1000rr. Here are my reasons - 1. I don’t take sport bikes to track. I use mine as a daily ride and I tour on sport bikes. On my gixxer I did 20177 miles in 3 years. So, s1000rr made the cut because it’s comfortable. 2. I used to be a deep sea pipeline welder back in the days. That profession took a big toll in my lower back and neck. So didn’t want a sports bike where I’ll have to be totally hunched up. So, the s1000rr was a more obvious choice despite the fact that the pegs are higher than the v4s’. 3. Cruise control, fuel gauge, and heated grips. Helps a lot in cross country tours. 4. A 3 year warranty in s1000rr instead of 2 years in Ducati. Plus the BMSI service, for which you’ll have to a pay bit extra here in the states, takes all the headaches away. 5. The s1000rr has a smooth power delivery all round the rev change, which is so gixxerish. I’m used to it. 6. The s1000rr feels more safe to me in the corners while touring. It feels so planted. When I was entering a corner on a v4s at lower speeds, it felt a bit jerky which made me really nervous. I accept that my throttle control needs improvement. But the s1000rr really negates minor faults of the riders. 7. I don’t like the red color. And I don’t like attention either.
A tough decision that Andy I agree but for me a bike needs to be ridden, so the BMW has it. Or maybe the street fighter as you mentioned, possibly the V2 version.
If you can only "enjoy" the Ducati for 30 mins due to comfort then chop it in. And yes it would be worth the money! No pockets in your shroud! That RR is fantastic. 🤩
Awesome video! I would go for the BMW. You would ride it more, it’s more comfortable , plenty of power, and it has a fuel gauge. Honestly that would drive me crazy. In this day and age I’m sure someone could come up with a fuel gauge for a thimble. The Ducati’s are beautiful bikes , no doubt! Best!
Never got the obsession some people have with fuel gauges, just reset the trip meter when you fill up and there's your fuel gauge. Oh and a fuel light comes on too to remind you to refuel, just incase you forget to check your trip meter 🙂
I love both bikes Andy , but if you don’t ride the Ducati very much do honestly think you will ride the BMW much more. I say stick with what you’ve got and save the £12000 👍.
The Ducati is a show pony. If you’ve had it for that length of time and done those few miles, you won’t miss riding it that much. Stick a poster on the wall of the latest Ducati and get the BMW. 😂 However, if only decisions of selling loved bikes was that simple. 🤔
I’m a bit biased as an RR owner but for me it’s the better bike by most measures. With that said I do want to own a Ducati one day! Also the RR accelerates like the starship enterprise! Joking aside but I struggle ergonomically with most sports bikes but find the RR somewhat comfortable and love all of the creature comforts like heated grips, cruise control and quick shifter!
It's such a shame to buy a bike that you hardly ride, and just like to look at. Yes spending 12 grand for some more comfort is a bit, but you'll ride it! You could argue buying a Ducati just to look at is less value for money!
My take on this are alongisde several points you made in the video. The Ducati is special, yes its probably uncomfortable (having never ridden one myself) but my god its a queen on the road! I dont reckon i would spend an extra 12K for comfort personally, especially with the choice of bikes within your garage - that goldwing is an armchair on two wheels from the looks of it lol, Keep to Ducati, I did buy a streetfighter V4 having watched your in depth review, my recommendation would be keep it, its a beautiful bike and Itd be missed i reckon.
I think you hit the nail on the head Andy. You would ride the BMW more than you have the Duke. The Ducati is a lovely bike, but being a biker is all about the riding, rather than owning “garage candy” that you rarely ride and can’t ride for too long due to the comfort issues!
If it were your only bike, the answer would obviously be "yes get the S1000RR". But spending 12k for what would be your least ridden bike. Sounds a bit of waste as well. Personally, I'd sell the Panigale and then wait until the itch for something else comes. Be it an S1000RR, a Streetfighter of even something totally else, and just get that. Or if the itch doesn't come, well that's quite some money saved.
Andy, the Ducati is a work of art, … you can enjoy looking at it, washing it and riding it (albeit for 1/2 an hour at a time!). Most art collectors are usually in it for the long haul. IMHO 😎
Hi Andy, Another enjoyable vid 👍🏻, it might be worth a test ride on the new ducati streetfighter v2 or ducati 950 super sport both look like they would be good replacements.
What about trying some comfort mods first such as Heli-bars, rearsets and new seat etc then re-evaluating? No bike is perfectly comfortable and all riding positions can be changed! 👌 With all the bikes you already own plus all the loan and test bikes it's always going to be difficult to rack up big miles on a sportsbike I feel?
What about a MV F3 800? I’ve had one for over 6 months, recently sold it in place of a track bike but the newer MV’ shave 3 year warranty, are MUCH more rideable than the Ducati and you love the triples also. Personally the F3 is a perfect middle ground I think, also for me I find the seating comfortable and it was a circa 800mm seat height so nice and usable from that perspective. A euro 4 onwards F3 would be a great compromise IMO
Mate, the suggestion made by Chris H is spot on. If the BMW is soulless and you want the wow of the Ducati…you have to go to the Supersport 950s! There’s still things to fettle on it i.e. the mirrors are crap so you’ll need to put some Rizoma bar ends on and probably NRG replacement front indicators…but it’s 100% worth it! Beautiful bike, amazing capability, has a soul and you can ride all day on a trip, on the track or in the city.
It’s a tough question… I think I would tweak Ducati to make it more comfortable by slightly raising clipons, adjusting pegs a bit and putting heated grips, comfortable seat padding on and see if that makes a difference. It’s so beautiful it’s almost a crime to sell and will be a future classic. The rr might be a brilliant bike but looks boring although not bad (but my god, those stickers! - what happened to blue and gold they used?). It’s generic and looks nothing special while… being special. Go with the heart. You have plenty of other comfortable bike to ride… Chopsy has just made his h2 the whole level more comfortable and it’s still looking amazing.
I rode a friends Panigale, which cemented my choice.. I loved the bike, the way it handled, the specialness etc, but my back said "not on your nelly!!"... SFV4, 208hp, flat bars, ride all day comfort, put in the order, havent looked back!!
So, what I took away from this: Aesthetics: 899. Everything else: S1000RR. Considering how you felt about the STriple, I would keep the 899 were it my decision. Best of luck on your decision TMF!
BMW S1000rr makes sense, for starters you will ride it more rather than just look at it in the garage. I am 49yrs of age and the S1000rr is the only bike I enjoy riding for any length of time due to comfort. Also performance wise the BMW is leaps ahead and in safety too. No brainer and I certainly will be going for one, once the 1290 KTM Super Duke R is paid for👍🏻🤙🏻
The real question is "do you actually need a sports bike?" given how little use you find for them. Would you ride the RR more, or would that be 12k invested for no real reward?
‘Specialness’ is perhaps in the mind. It’s subjective. Like the sound of the engine and exhaust. Like others are saying, bikes are not meant to be a piece of trinket under the mantle.
Been living in Australia many years (from Aberdeen) & your MOT comment made me chuckle. None of that here, when you buy a second vehicle the seller must provide a roadworthy certificate (MOT equivalent) then thats it, nothing else required ever again as long as you own the vehicle, owners responsibilty to keep it to standard. PS Forget the bmw, new speed triple RR!
Totally agree with your comments, I see no point in keeping a bike if you can only ride it for 30 mins. That will be in your sub conscience to not ride it.
12k to change the badge on a bike type you don't really use. 12k to change from a bike which stirs your emotions to a bike that's coolly efficient, but less inspiring 12k to change from low down grunt that hurls you out of a corner no matter what gear youre in, for high revving frantic cog swapping 12k to change from something non biking passers by recognise as something special, to something non biking passers by ignore. 12k to put with another 3k and get the multistrada v2s which will probably sway you from the gs, (or is that just me?) and you still get to keep the panigale. Just sayin' 😉
@@alanrobinson2229 yes it is, but society being unfair isn't tmf's fault, or mine, or yours. I just meant you could make a bigger change for the same dollar, and keep the panigale.
You can't chop the Panigale for an S1000. The Panigale is a classic, timeless, a machine of class and distinction. The BMW is an homogenous, soulless bike. Sure it's easier to live with, more comfortable, faster etc etc... But it's not a Panigale ❤️
Hi ! I’m going to tell you what happened to me, while back I owned two Ducatis and I made the mistake to road test a BMW’s similar to my Ducatis and they feel good o I should say better road bikes, so I trade in my Ducatis for the Beemers but no even two years after that I really miss the feel of my Ducatis, the sound, carácter, like you say make me feel special. So I trade in both of them for a Ducatis again. Now I don’t care if my bikes are the best but what make me feel, when I can not ride just by looking them on my garage make a smile on my face. Sorry for the bad English, love your videos:)
Dear TMF you have enough bikes not to worry about not riding the duc. I have v2 multistrada R9T I ride depending on purpose and mood . My v hasn’t rolled out since sep but I look at it a lot more than my other bikes. Lately my modified R9T (air box delete rapidbike fuel module clipons at pier city ) has been getting a lot of airing. I love the v2 it’s sexy yes had to get comfort seat yes it’s gets hot but uncomfortable but it is what I wanted since watching foggy win on the 916 . The sound of twins is so sexy . I know you can tour on the bmw but then take the gold wing or gs ultimately it’s which bike pulls your heart strings
Not my type of bikes, but the $$ to switch would seem to be a deciding factor. Or, like you said, get a diff Ducati to split the difference a bit. You can always get a loaner bike to quench your sport bike urges. I wouldn’t buy anything to park in my garage. Get what you’ll ride. And borrow the rest.
Back about a year ago i was looking at sport bikes S1000RR was my top choice but my knees said otherwise after being abel to try a friend of mines S100RR if it wasn't for my knees i would have pulled the trigger on the BMW S1000RR in my opinion BMW made one heck of a bike i ended up buying a Harley Davidson I know im saying a bad word but again i would have definitely bought the S1000RR i enjoy your channel and the info you provide thank you !
I have owned both (of course not the latest S1000RR). My Panigale had its flaws but man I missed it as soon as it was good. It had the character that I missed on almost perfect BMW.
Originally I would not have even recommended changing, but in all honesty if a bike is more comfier than the other and it'll mean your ride it more. Then it's kind of a no brainer I think. But a Streetfighter would cover all the basis. A nice replacement for your Street Triple and Panigale
I'd probably be in the same situation as you, but what would sway it is that I'd want to ride the bike... I daily my RR and have 0 issues, I love being able to ride 2 hours to Donnington, do a trackday and then ride home on the same bike, whilst still being comfy & heated grips on!
Go for a older sports bike like lamb chops has there's really not any difference and have not been killed by euro laws for 8 grand you could really have fun . great video.
Hi Andy. My thoughts are what you have said many times over the years and that is what puts the biggest smile on your face. If you laugh with joy when riding it then that is the bike to have. I also have an 899 in the stable (I’m now 62) and yes I need physio after riding it but it still has something very special, it certainly has a character all of its own. Best of luck. 😀👍
Regardless of the things you like about the BMW, you will always literally look at it and mentally compare it to the Ducati. I’ve made similar mistakes and still have regrets for bikes I should have kept. Just my opinion, but the right move is to either keep the Ducati and continue admiring it; or; use the opportunity to trade for something completely different. (Meaning not a sport bike.) You also mentioned it in your video. You have to live at higher revs (meaning higher speeds) to truly take advantage of the BMW. Riding a bike like that becomes boring within the confines of the law. Be careful not to end up with an expensive runner-up that doesn’t look as good as what you have and can’t be used properly without breaking the law (and risking your health.)
i thought the 899 had ABS, engine brake and traction control. Not quite the BMW package but just as necessary on the road, especially when anchoring hard in the wet. However, the 150bhp vs 200+ is hugely different even if the NM's are not so much. Just ride the BMW in lower gears and you'll get the v2 up and go albeit revving more. The 'specialness' of 899 is really just an old love affair. Forget the 12k and the BMW is not any less special, in fact more so. Although I am a bit of a BMW fanboy. Nice vid as usual.
Luckily for me I don’t think either would suit me, but pain in the wrists and back and neck, points towards the BMW. I guess just enjoy each one on its strengths, even if the BMW experience is temporary.
After owning 6 Ducati’s over the years and loving them for many of the same reasons as you, they are beautiful. BUT the smoothness and comfort of the BMW along with the ultimate electronics which will allow you to ride a lot more, hmmm. Like you I enjoyed looking and gazing at a couple of my past Ducati’s, they are art for sure. But the thrill of riding more (longer outings) more comfort and the big 4 smoothness, well we only live once! Best of luck with your decision…
"These are the problems us bikers have to put up with" ... hehe. Think the number of bikers choosing which 7th or 8th bike they should get is fairly scarce to be honest. That aside, not being a track rider as you say, the bits and bobs like launch control and more electronic set should not be the deciding factor here in my opinion. My personal experience has taught me that rationally steering away from Ducati, I always keep being pulled in again by the looks, the sound, even the smell of them. Like you described in the first part of the video: no other bike can give you that special feeling. And for 12.000, fit some light weight wheels, get a new seat and ride all your other bikes until its a bright and sunny day and then get that monstrous L-twin out and enjoy being part of the red family!
S1000RR. I am biased as I love mine. Plus I’ve never been a fan of ‘character’ or vibration as normal people would say, that all you lovely RUclipsrs bang on about.
If the Ducati was your only bike and you didn’t ride it because it was uncomfortable I could see the argument for trading it in for the S1000RR. But you are in a lucky position. If you were going on a long solo trip, regardless of how comfortable the S1000RR is, you would probably take your GS. And on a very long trip or with Mrs Flyer you would take your Goldwing. So it really comes down to which one feels special when you ride it and puts the biggest smile on your face. I own a GS and a HD Breakout. The GS is the better bike in every way but one - riding it doesn’t have a sense of occasion.
Whatever you decide only you will know the thought that goes into it. I would personally keep the ducati, bikes that connect with the heart are hard to find. However, you have a business to add into the mix. I think your heart is leading you to the street fighter, the S1000 is but a stepping stone and from an business perspective, think its been done (lampchops series was good). Ive rarely find my own heart taking me down a wrong path with bikes so listen to your own. if you do sell the 899, add me to the list of interested parties.
My two pences, is rideability is top. It's like a pistol for conceal carry if it feels like crap you wont carry it. So if you don't ride it you wont feel that low down grunt.
The only time i got emotional selling a bike was when i sold my ducati 600ss. Only ducati makes you feel that way. Always regretted it. Now on a ducati supersport and best of all worlds, comfortable, twin torque, character, can tour on it. I would go V2 or new Supersport S. Nothing comes close to an italian sports bike.
I made a decision just last week. I have a 959 Panigale. It’s adorned with subtle carbon bits, ppf protection but more importantly, underslung akrapovic cans. You talk about drama, my 959 is an event every time I get it out. I sold it for a Multistrada. Like you, I simply look at it rather than ride it and, like you, after half an hour, I want to get off it. It’s a decision I didn’t take lightly but ultimately a decision that had to be made. Good luck
Personally when I have to ask this style of question and currently I am doing so. Between my Speed triple R and a new fireblade sp I already know deep down the answer. After riding touring bikes, off road bikes and back to naked uprights I find myself lusting after sporties every day now. The era of the sports bike will return again haha. So definitely keep a space for one. The Ducati will always be the best looking bike but I feel the BMW would be a better choice if you’ll use it more often. I swapped my triumph bobber for the speed triple as I was always choosing my Honda hornet over the bobber.
You need a sparkly bike. I have a 2019 MV Dragster 800RC and a Panigale V2 Bayliss and an Öhlins shod 2009 Daytona 675. You also need every day bikes like the 2018 Vespa Sei Giorni, 2019 Kawa ZR900B and Ducati Supersport 950S to clock up the miles. If you go for soulless bikes, you have to be prepared to do my flying as riding a motorcycle will stop becoming an exciting event. 😁 If I was Andy I'd buy a Ducati V2 Streetfighter. Then you still have a sort of sparky bike. 😁
Well you summed it up in the 1st 5 minutes. The Beemer will cost more, it comes alive with all the electronics really only on track. You said your really only a road rider and love that feeling from the Ducati which sounds and looks better. Keep the Ducati in my opinion.
sacré bleu Mr Flyer..!! Trading a Ducati in for a Bmw is sacrilege. The RR is a good track bike but if your planning on street riding then it can only be the Streetfighter V4S. 💨💨💨
Difficult decision Andy. If electronics are not that important, maybe have a chat with Chopsy? He's just got a mint GSXR 1000. Something like that, which is more comfortable, then maybe keep the Ducati for a while?
I did the same.. I took both bikes for the test ride and in the end I loved them both but I bought the S1000 .. The reason being is I new I would ride the S1000 more.. Don't get me wrong Ill buy a Ducati one day, maybe the V4 but for now, I love my Beemer
Panigale is a keeper like your GS. The Panigale also provides a range of contrast in your collection and perfection is arguably somewhat boring! Save your money, it could compensate for the rip off on the Royal Enfield in your decision making process. Keep up the good work 👍
I really need to try some new bikes, I can't believe it can be true that the S1krr is gutless at low/er speeds, mainly because my 22 y/o ZX9r is very fast from the first little twist of throttle, until warp speed kicks in at 6-7k rpm, and at 144bhp and 101Nm torque it's a lot less power than the s1krr (although the 9r is still supposed to be good for 0-60 in 3 secs due to the power and gearing, stock). Buy a 2003 F2 ZX9r (mine is a Y2k E1), low mileage and you'll save thousands, actually make money and have a comfortable rocket 😁👍
The BMW would look great in your garage. The Panigale would look great in your living room.
Exactly my thoughts ! Keep the Pani, uber clean it and display it in your lounge.
Well said and agree 👍🏽😂
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Agreed. Better than watching the Gov propaganda on TV too.
@@veeken777 Pulling my finger nails out with pliers is better than Gov Propaganda TV !
So true!!
With only 3K miles ridden in 7 years on the garage queen, I think that answers the question of ownership of a sports bike, Andy 😊. Save yourself the road tax, insurance and MOT costs. If there is a future void in the garage that needs filling, buy something that will get ridden 👍
Totally agree, owning a bike because it's pretty doesn't make sense, bikes are for riding, if you don't like riding it then it's just a trinket !
I bought a Gixer750 in '98, sold it in '01 with 14.500miles on the clock, I never really liked the looks but it was a real comfy-all day bike, I've never been one for trinkets in the lounge I don't get that at all.
Personally, my advise is go for the one that gives you a flutter every time you look at it. The bike you turn back and look at once you dismount. The bike that makes you feel special once you have it rumbling between your legs. Being in a position where I can only afford 1 bike I still make this a big thing for me when buying.
Totally agree 👍 this is why my 899 is staying. Until I get that feeling again with another bike it's the one for me.
Yep, my Ducati SuperSport is that bike for my type of riding.
Would also like to quote Mr. Regular from the RUclips channel Regular Car Reviews. In his review of the Ducati 999 he says "you don't buy a Ducati to ride it. You buy it for s*x. It's uncomfortable as anything but comfortable bikes aren't s*xy." (apologies for the self-cencoring, I'm not sure how the algorithm work in the comment section)
Couldn’t agree more, buying a motorcycle is a choice of the heart not the head!
@@TheMissendenFlyer And the size of your wallet 😉
Personally I wouldn't bother with either unless you regularly do track days. Living in South London and surrounded by speed humps, 20mph limits and an increasing number of average speed sections, I'd update the GS.
Tough decision, however I have a solution! Trade the 899 for the latest Ducati Supersport S. My dealer leant me one when my 950 Multistrada was in for a service. I thought I was going to be cramped and hate it, but it was a revelation! Looks great, plenty fast enough, handles beautifully and surprisingly comfy. I am not a fan of quick shifters on road bikes, but the one on the Supersport was great. A real world sports bike. You can still do your track days too. Only you can ride to the one in Europe! I enjoyed it so much the dealer had to ring me to fetch it back!
Great minds! 110ish bhp also so you can ride it hard and not get in to too much trouble!
Chris, think I may know you ..... East Yorks Guzzi Club? I concur with your comment re the 950 sport. To my mind the most usable sporting Ducati available. Real world performance with a riding position that does not cripple you, and perfect for uk roads. Would love one in the pearlescent white to keep my Guzzi company....... If only funds allowed eh? [Pennine Guzzisti member by the way]
@@andyturner9836 Hi Andy. yes that’s me. I would have one in the garage if funds allowed. We all need elastic garages 😂
Having ridden the BMW on track days, I concur it’s a brilliant bike. However, I’m older and more arthritic than Andy, and the ergonomics just don’t work for anything more than 20 minute sessions. I’m also incapable of utilizing anything close to its full potential and sort of feel like a poser on it. I bought a new 950 S last year and happy to report it’s fulfilled every expectation. My local track is 50 miles away, but I can ride there, do a full day and ride home with nothing more than the happy fatigue from a fun day. I don’t plan to tour on it (I have a Multi for that) but I’ve done 200 mile road trips with ease.
Second the vote also for an elastic garage.
They're both stunning looking bikes but for me to choose it would be the s1000rr. It's got the looks and I think you'll enjoy the fact you'd be riding it more often.Plus you'd still have a sports bike in your collection. Got to be one of the best handling litre bike out there 👌
Ducati's are the Ferrari's of the motorcycle world, beautiful to look at but difficult to ride and expensive to maintain. Hang on a minute, that reminds me of a girl I used to know.
Not all of them my superport is great to ride
Ferrari's are not uncomfortable.
No one would buy any car that after 1/2 hour of driving it you would be in pain.
@@MarkSmith-rs660 Yep I agree. Ducati supersport all the way!
@@evemariedumais1461 good looking bike, practical and usable road power. I don't know why everyone wants 180 bhp when they don't do a track day or very rarely do one. Plenty fast enough and I dont feel the need for anything more.
I'm also changing bikes. I went out and bought a brand new Suzuki SV650, and will be getting rid of my 2021 Yamaha Tenere 700 very soon. The SV650 is cheaper to insure, it returns at least 20mpg more than the Tenere, and I'll have a bit of extra cash in the bank. Absolutely loving riding the SV650, it's very usable, the gear changes are buttery smooth, and it sound fantastic. It would be perfect for your Mrs, as well - 30.9" seat height!
I think they’re both gorgeous bikes, but why have the Ducati depreciate in your garage when the S1000 (or the Streetfighter) would probably be ridden much more? Bikes are for riding after all… 😎
Have you seen what people pay for second hand Ducatis? 😅
Having any bike sit around isn't very good for the rubber seals and bushes....especially Ducati's, get it out and ride it, you can always do what lambchops did with his h2, higher clipons...plenty on the market, Renthal do great quality adjustable clipons
The BMW RR is no more comfortable to ride than the Panigale.
@@rlsedition It is. The Panigale is significantly more cramped. I own a Panigale and I have ridden the RR
@@Johnhere OK, maybe the BMW is more comfortable than the 899, but not nearly as comfortable to ride distance as my '17 Ducati SuperSport (which was a main reason for purchase).
the seamless commentary over two different bike rides was amazing. .
So glad you appreciated that - it took a bit of doing!
I love a Panigale but the S1000rr just makes sense, cruise control, heated grips and all the gizmos it's just the perfect road sportsbike. I did nearly 1300miles in 2days on the older S1000rr and it was fine. It makes a great sports tourer.
Now that you’ve sold the triumph Street Triple I’d sell the 899 and get a Streetfighter. Feels special and much more rideable. The V2 version is £15k so much cheaper too.
That is a thought I keep having….
@@TheMissendenFlyer Go for it Andy . V2 Streetfighter is the way.
Sold the Street triple? I must have missed that video.
@@happylemon666 me too
I have to agree with most of the comments, the Ducati is a beautiful machine, but from a practical point of view its limited to short rides ant mostly high speed because the twin is lumpy around town, no fuel gauge on a modern bike for me is unforgivable and at a 100 mile range very limiting in my humble opinion, massive Ducati service costs to be factored in would definitely steer me in the direction of the BMW, yes it doesn't have the pazzas of the Ducati but practicality over form should win the day.
But hey its not me parting with the 12 "G's" 😁
Riding a superbike is not about practicality, get a GS if you’re into that sort of thing ;-). It is also why I have a BMW K1200S alongside my Panigale V4.
Practicality is irrelevant to both.
I don't ride a "superbike" but 2 of the guys in my group both have Ducati's and both shy away from rides longer than an hour, so in "again" my humble opinion practicality over form should be a consideration. What's the point of having a "super model " at home if its she's no fun to to out with after 30 minutes 😁
@@MarcusW87 Well seeing as the V4 now has heated grips, I would say even Ducati disagree with this
@@caffreysgsarider8531 If someone is not able to ride a superbike for more than an hour, he or she should take a serious look at their physical condition. ;-) I can ride my Ducati all day long, if I get a bit uncomfortable then I’ll need to stop for fuel anyway. But that’s besides the point, it is not a touring bike and it is not meant to doodle around on for an eternity. It is meant to give you a thrilling ride and make you feel special even if it’s just for an hour. There are better bikes to spend on for a day’s touring, like your V Strom, but that really isn’t my point. ;-) People don’t buy superbikes with common sense, so practicality is usually not their first priority…
Mature persons analogy, Panigale 's are like that Album with a fantastic cover and one ground breaking track that you bought it for. The BM is the album you'd take to parties.
I think the S1000R is probably the best "all round" sports bike, if I was only allowed one sports bike that would be it. But worth considering one of the Streetfighters, as you said, but aside from a more upright riding position I don't think they are any more practical than the S1R.
Crikey TMF, I thought I had a bad case of mid life ADHD or middle aged man disease as its also known as, but you take it to another level! The logical answer is to keep the Ducati and place it somewhere in the house, preferably on a turntable with some great lighting around it so you can see it every day and admire those good looks without having to take it out and feel uncomfortable on it. Then you save £12k which you could spend a bit of annually by attending BMW and Ducati trackdays thrashing (and in some cases crashing) their bikes. Another scenario is for you to free up some space in the garage by selling the 899 and the GS and replacing the two with a Ducati Multistrada V2S, that way you get to ride a Ducati on the road and enjoy the specialness of them but in comfort with luggage options. My maths and logic suggests that the second option is the most sensible as you'd have scratched the 7 year itch with the 899, freed up one space in the garage, still have a Ducati to own, ride and enjoy, yet not have had to dig into your pocket to fund the V2S as the combined pot of GS and 899 would cover the new bike. Given your access to other bikes (that you own and test) the 899, or indeed an S1000RR, is never going to get much use and with the GS in the garage you're not going to tour on it - especially with Mrs Flyer on the back (please do post the vlog of the discussion that you have with Mrs Flyer when you tell her that you're both going touring on the S1000RR..............). Hope my thoughts help clarify your position or at least amuse you! However, I know how man maths works so I'm expecting to see a S1000RR in your garage and a Multistrada V4S to replace both the 899 and the GS respectively. Looking forward to the outcome......?
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My thoughts exactly
Spot on Edward
We shall see Edward - thanks for writing!
SOLVED! Put the BMW in the garage and the Ducati somewhere in the house under a couple of spotlights. Each to their highest and best use!
Now there's an idea!
It’s interesting how the tone of your voice changes when riding the two bikes... you sound much more relaxed on the BMW, more ‘focused’ on the 899. In my humble opinion the 899 gives you something unique. Whereas you have other machines in the garage that give you part of/much of what the beemer gives you (in real world conditions).
That is very true….good point
Best idea would be to trade the 899 in for a v4. Still have that magical ducati to enjoy but the advantages of an upgraded bike ( which is why I assume you are considering the s1000rr )
Excellent video as always ^_^
However, I think you did, perhaps, ‘gloss over’ the BMW’s electronics a bit.
Dismissing them as only useful on the track strikes me as a bit silly.
ESPECIALLY in Blighty!
That traction control alone might save your bacon at a wet roundabout, same for the fancy ABS.
And running it in rain mode and critiquing the throttle response is a bit disingenuous, don’t you think?
If you don’t ‘need’ the electronics, what are you doing in ‘rain mode’?
Just my 2p
Completely agree
👍👍100% correct, I feel much more confident on the S1000RR than I did on my 899 in wet/dry, the tech is there to help save you no matter what you are doing on it.
Yes you may be right - I wasn't really in a position to test them though.....too hi tech for me!
Can I explore another possibility? You have two basic touring bikes now in the Goldwing and R1200GS so why not part with the GS instead? You can use the Speed Twin and RE for hopping around in traffic and use the S1000 too for in town and intermediate rides.
The Ducati is kind of special to look at and ride occasionally. Your 1200GS is about to be another generation behind when the the GS1300 comes out. Let's face it if you later miss the GS there are tons of them out there whereas not so much the Ducati.
Let the GS go, pickup the S1000 and keep the Ducati. Later on if you decide to let the Ducati go then if you still miss the GS get the newest GS version out there.
Interesting logic…trouble is me and that GS have been far and wide and I love it…if it gets replaced then it would be by the new 1300 I suspect….
The GS will be the LAST bike out of that garage methinks, unless replaced by a newer one. I'd keep the Ducati because bikes are toys artists the ultimate toy.
Andy, great video, and excellent question. I have owned a RR and currently own a Ducati Street Fighter, a GSA and a R90. So only 3 bikes.
I would buy the RR, No question. Bikes are meant to be ridden, and not meant to sit around and depreciate. My last point is that my Ducati is a great bike, I find it very hard .to work - small things like the rear lights and fussing with setting up the various tools. Buy the RR!
Thanks for the insight James!
When you announced that you had sold the Triumph triple, I knew the Ducati wouldn't be far behind as I would also be reviewing my whole bike collection and deciding what to keep, the question is wether you would ride the BMW any more than the Panigale? probably not as sports bike are, well, Sports bikes, they aren't as comfortable as other bikes with flat bars. The answer though is something you have always said in the past, it's how a bike makes you feel, and the ducati makes you feel great, even if it's only for 40 minutes a time! If you bought the BMW I predict it would be a relatively short term fling with a German floosie and your Italian lover would never forgive you. Ciao.
I think you may be right Jeff - thanks!
Sold my 899 a couple of months ago and whilst I do miss it and the "specialness" I had to admit that I was looking at it more than riding it (50 year old with arthritis!!) I now have a 1997 BMW Funduro that i bought for 800 quid to see me through the winter and do you know what? It still brings a smile every-time I ride it and i don't feel so guilty if i don't wash it before putting it away!
Don't do it! You'll regret it. I had a 899, traded it in for a Gsxr1000r. Missed the 'occasion' you mentioned straight away, the specialness on opening the garage. The suzuki was just so efficient,effortlessly fast but soulless. It wasn't a bad bike, but just didn't gel with it. £12,000 to change?!!!! Stick a set of carbon wheels on the 899 and keep it 👌
Yes I think you may be right…..
@@TheMissendenFlyer Have you tried the Ducati comfort seat? My 959 Panigale is fine for hours of riding.
Tasteful mods as suggested here makes that specialness even better, and you are less likely to have an extra £12k sat depreciating against it, so you may sleep a little easier too.
We call it “The joy of ownership”. A thing of beauty that makes your heart sing when you look at it is a rare and valuable thing.
It matters not that you don’t ride it much, you have plenty of other bikes for that.
Just because you have a Picasso on the wall doesn’t mean you have to paint, so just get pleasure from walking in and feeling that buzz when you see her, enjoy polishing and keeping her in perfect condition, and now and then when the day is just perfect, take her out, half an hour of joy now and then to make your heart sing and you will know you would regret it if she wasn’t’t in your life.
Yes I think you’re dead right Stephen - it’s all about joy of ownership with my Pani….
The panagali won't loose any more value, is there anything that can be done to it to make it more comfortable, gell seat, rear sets, bar risers. LCR has done this with his H2 and got a few vlogs out of it to boot.
I made this very change 3 months ago, after trip to the Cadwell BSB from Jersey on the 899 it was obvious that any real distance wasn’t much fun, pain in wrists after 20 mins. The S1000RR is incredible, comfortable, modern tech with great build quality. Its like going from analog to digital. A fantastic all round bike. Would recommend anyone thinking of one to do it.
I’ve owned an 899 for 4 1/2 years and I was thinking maybe this year I’ll change it for an S1000 RR or an RSV4 Factory. TBH the Duke is still a gorgeous looking bike, it always gives me a buzz when I open the garage door and look at it which I don’t think I’d get that on the Beemer. I also hear lots of S1000RR owners say it does tick so many boxes, comfort, electrics etc but it’s soulless.
I think for the cost to change, the looks and the V twin sound I’m daft to change it. I reckon you’ll be keeping your 899 too!
If I had the money it would be a 2022 V4S which is beyond drop dead gorgeous however I don’t have the money.
Sounds like we’re in a similar place Billyboy!
The RSV4 is the best of both 👍
Love my 848 EVO and just finished a rebuild of 899 and it’s a revelation, just can’t relate to something without the Ducati factor, as you say garage vs lounge room? I’ve made my choice, I now own 4 Ducati super bikes.
HI Andy, no use having a beautiful bike that you never use! The S1000RR is the right answer and you know it!
I got shot of my GSXR the other week, and went to a Ducati Monster. Same problem as you too, I just liked to look at the GSXR in the garage, and I seldom took it out, I jumped on the the GSXS-750 mostly. I did 1400 miles in two years. I always said I bought it with my heart and not my head. The monster will take more looking after etc and cost more to maintain than the GSXR, but i know ill use it more. You've had your fun with the 899, so personally I would go for the Streetfighter! Rob
Just one man's opinion but I'd go for a Ducati SuperSport 950S. It's more comfortable than either the 899 or the 1000RR so it would get ridden more, I think it looks stunning, and has all the performance one can use on the street (or at least all the performance I can use on the street) anyway. YMMV
Totally agree with you!
I’ve had the same problem recently. I had to choose between v4s and s1000rr after selling my gixxer. I ended up with s1000rr. Here are my reasons -
1. I don’t take sport bikes to track. I use mine as a daily ride and I tour on sport bikes. On my gixxer I did 20177 miles in 3 years. So, s1000rr made the cut because it’s comfortable.
2. I used to be a deep sea pipeline welder back in the days. That profession took a big toll in my lower back and neck. So didn’t want a sports bike where I’ll have to be totally hunched up. So, the s1000rr was a more obvious choice despite the fact that the pegs are higher than the v4s’.
3. Cruise control, fuel gauge, and heated grips. Helps a lot in cross country tours.
4. A 3 year warranty in s1000rr instead of 2 years in Ducati. Plus the BMSI service, for which you’ll have to a pay bit extra here in the states, takes all the headaches away.
5. The s1000rr has a smooth power delivery all round the rev change, which is so gixxerish. I’m used to it.
6. The s1000rr feels more safe to me in the corners while touring. It feels so planted. When I was entering a corner on a v4s at lower speeds, it felt a bit jerky which made me really nervous. I accept that my throttle control needs improvement. But the s1000rr really negates minor faults of the riders.
7. I don’t like the red color. And I don’t like attention either.
Thanks for sharing that Brandon - of course for touring I have the GoldWing….now that IS a comfortable bike!
I’d scrub them both & get the V2 Streetfighter! No more back aches, still red Italian, electronics & plenty fast enough for the TMFunster😎
My thoughts exactly 😁
V2 streetfighter! Defo
But the Panigale is so beautiful!
@@TheMissendenFlyer the SFV2 is so comfortable 😉 & better looking
@@stevesanelli90 The SF is certainly more comfy - but better looking? Get outta here!!!
A tough decision that Andy I agree but for me a bike needs to be ridden, so the BMW has it. Or maybe the street fighter as you mentioned, possibly the V2 version.
If you can only "enjoy" the Ducati for 30 mins due to comfort then chop it in. And yes it would be worth the money! No pockets in your shroud! That RR is fantastic. 🤩
Awesome video! I would go for the BMW. You would ride it more, it’s more comfortable , plenty of power, and it has a fuel gauge. Honestly that would drive me crazy. In this day and age I’m sure someone could come up with a fuel gauge for a thimble. The Ducati’s are beautiful bikes , no doubt! Best!
Never got the obsession some people have with fuel gauges, just reset the trip meter when you fill up and there's your fuel gauge. Oh and a fuel light comes on too to remind you to refuel, just incase you forget to check your trip meter 🙂
I love both bikes Andy , but if you don’t ride the Ducati very much do honestly think you will ride the BMW much more. I say stick with what you’ve got and save the £12000 👍.
And I thought I had a problem deciding which of my TWO bikes to go out on!
The Ducati is a show pony. If you’ve had it for that length of time and done those few miles, you won’t miss riding it that much. Stick a poster on the wall of the latest Ducati and get the BMW. 😂 However, if only decisions of selling loved bikes was that simple. 🤔
If only….I get the logic entirely
I’m a bit biased as an RR owner but for me it’s the better bike by most measures. With that said I do want to own a Ducati one day! Also the RR accelerates like the starship enterprise! Joking aside but I struggle ergonomically with most sports bikes but find the RR somewhat comfortable and love all of the creature comforts like heated grips, cruise control and quick shifter!
It's such a shame to buy a bike that you hardly ride, and just like to look at. Yes spending 12 grand for some more comfort is a bit, but you'll ride it! You could argue buying a Ducati just to look at is less value for money!
That is very much my point!
Spoken like a bloke with a BMW…
You’re right, though!
@@TheMissendenFlyer - decision made, I'm guessing the BMW UK test fleet is about to be reduced by one S1000RR?
@@sueandtimacousticduo5444 Send flowers!👍
@@thelikeablerider8800 lol
My take on this are alongisde several points you made in the video. The Ducati is special, yes its probably uncomfortable (having never ridden one myself) but my god its a queen on the road! I dont reckon i would spend an extra 12K for comfort personally, especially with the choice of bikes within your garage - that goldwing is an armchair on two wheels from the looks of it lol, Keep to Ducati, I did buy a streetfighter V4 having watched your in depth review, my recommendation would be keep it, its a beautiful bike and Itd be missed i reckon.
Unless you like track days I can't see the point of sports bikes for the road. Too powerful to enjoy and too uncomfortable to ride.
Agreed - but they do look mean!
I think you hit the nail on the head Andy. You would ride the BMW more than you have the Duke. The Ducati is a lovely bike, but being a biker is all about the riding, rather than owning “garage candy” that you rarely ride and can’t ride for too long due to the comfort issues!
If it were your only bike, the answer would obviously be "yes get the S1000RR". But spending 12k for what would be your least ridden bike. Sounds a bit of waste as well.
Personally, I'd sell the Panigale and then wait until the itch for something else comes. Be it an S1000RR, a Streetfighter of even something totally else, and just get that. Or if the itch doesn't come, well that's quite some money saved.
Andy, the Ducati is a work of art, … you can enjoy looking at it, washing it and riding it (albeit for 1/2 an hour at a time!). Most art collectors are usually in it for the long haul. IMHO 😎
Hi Andy, Another enjoyable vid 👍🏻, it might be worth a test ride on the new ducati streetfighter v2 or ducati 950 super sport both look like they would be good replacements.
What about trying some comfort mods first such as Heli-bars, rearsets and new seat etc then re-evaluating? No bike is perfectly comfortable and all riding positions can be changed! 👌 With all the bikes you already own plus all the loan and test bikes it's always going to be difficult to rack up big miles on a sportsbike I feel?
What about a MV F3 800? I’ve had one for over 6 months, recently sold it in place of a track bike but the newer MV’ shave 3 year warranty, are MUCH more rideable than the Ducati and you love the triples also. Personally the F3 is a perfect middle ground I think, also for me I find the seating comfortable and it was a circa 800mm seat height so nice and usable from that perspective. A euro 4 onwards F3 would be a great compromise IMO
Mate, the suggestion made by Chris H is spot on. If the BMW is soulless and you want the wow of the Ducati…you have to go to the Supersport 950s! There’s still things to fettle on it i.e. the mirrors are crap so you’ll need to put some Rizoma bar ends on and probably NRG replacement front indicators…but it’s 100% worth it! Beautiful bike, amazing capability, has a soul and you can ride all day on a trip, on the track or in the city.
It’s a tough question… I think I would tweak Ducati to make it more comfortable by slightly raising clipons, adjusting pegs a bit and putting heated grips, comfortable seat padding on and see if that makes a difference. It’s so beautiful it’s almost a crime to sell and will be a future classic. The rr might be a brilliant bike but looks boring although not bad (but my god, those stickers! - what happened to blue and gold they used?). It’s generic and looks nothing special while… being special. Go with the heart. You have plenty of other comfortable bike to ride… Chopsy has just made his h2 the whole level more comfortable and it’s still looking amazing.
I rode a friends Panigale, which cemented my choice.. I loved the bike, the way it handled, the specialness etc, but my back said "not on your nelly!!"... SFV4, 208hp, flat bars, ride all day comfort, put in the order, havent looked back!!
So, what I took away from this:
Aesthetics: 899.
Everything else: S1000RR.
Considering how you felt about the STriple, I would keep the 899 were it my decision.
Best of luck on your decision TMF!
Trade it in for the Triumph 1200 rr as it is a really beautiful bike and would suit you and your Garage.😊
If you didn’t have the issues you had with the Enfield you could have had both the Ducati and the BMW
Space and time is the main issue tbh.....
BMW S1000rr makes sense, for starters you will ride it more rather than just look at it in the garage. I am 49yrs of age and the S1000rr is the only bike I enjoy riding for any length of time due to comfort.
Also performance wise the BMW is leaps ahead and in safety too.
No brainer and I certainly will be going for one, once the 1290 KTM Super Duke R is paid for👍🏻🤙🏻
The real question is "do you actually need a sports bike?" given how little use you find for them. Would you ride the RR more, or would that be 12k invested for no real reward?
Chris my man! We need ALL bikes! The perfect number is N+1 remember….?
@@mikewilliams2604 HhHa! Agreed, but maybe another style rather than sport. I'd grab the CBR300 personally...
‘Specialness’ is perhaps in the mind. It’s subjective. Like the sound of the engine and exhaust. Like others are saying, bikes are not meant to be a piece of trinket under the mantle.
What a dilemma 😀, for me the Ducati just has that extra “something”, one to keep and appreciate and enjoy when you can .
Yes I agree 100%
Been living in Australia many years (from Aberdeen) & your MOT comment made me chuckle. None of that here, when you buy a second vehicle the seller must provide a roadworthy certificate (MOT equivalent) then thats it, nothing else required ever again as long as you own the vehicle, owners responsibilty to keep it to standard. PS Forget the bmw, new speed triple RR!
The Ducati should go, Uncomfortable, overrated. The BMW. Comfortable, TFT ,electronics.
Totally agree with your comments, I see no point in keeping a bike if you can only ride it for 30 mins. That will be in your sub conscience to not ride it.
But the Panigale is so gorgeous!
@@TheMissendenFlyer yes it might be gorgeous. The BM makes more sense.
12k to change the badge on a bike type you don't really use.
12k to change from a bike which stirs your emotions to a bike that's coolly efficient, but less inspiring
12k to change from low down grunt that hurls you out of a corner no matter what gear youre in, for high revving frantic cog swapping
12k to change from something non biking passers by recognise as something special, to something non biking passers by ignore.
12k to put with another 3k and get the multistrada v2s which will probably sway you from the gs, (or is that just me?)
and you still get to keep the panigale.
Just sayin' 😉
12k is a dream for most people.
@@alanrobinson2229
yes it is, but society being unfair isn't tmf's fault, or mine, or yours. I just meant you could make a bigger change for the same dollar, and keep the panigale.
You can't chop the Panigale for an S1000. The Panigale is a classic, timeless, a machine of class and distinction. The BMW is an homogenous, soulless bike. Sure it's easier to live with, more comfortable, faster etc etc... But it's not a Panigale ❤️
Hi !
I’m going to tell you what happened to me, while back I owned two Ducatis and I made the mistake to road test a BMW’s similar to my Ducatis and they feel good o I should say better road bikes, so I trade in my Ducatis for the Beemers but no even two years after that I really miss the feel of my Ducatis, the sound, carácter, like you say make me feel special. So I trade in both of them for a Ducatis again. Now I don’t care if my bikes are the best but what make me feel, when I can not ride just by looking them on my garage make a smile on my face.
Sorry for the bad English, love your videos:)
Your English is great Carlos and I entirely understand your point - thanks for watching!
I hope you kept the Ducati, it´s gorgeous. It´s uncomfortable you say? Well, make it more comfortable with higher clip-ons, etc..
With the BMW feeling more comfortable I think you have made your mind up already, albeit unconsciously, nice dilemma to have though 👍👍👍👍👍
Dear TMF you have enough bikes not to worry about not riding the duc. I have v2 multistrada R9T I ride depending on purpose and mood . My v hasn’t rolled out since sep but I look at it a lot more than my other bikes. Lately my modified R9T (air box delete rapidbike fuel module clipons at pier city ) has been getting a lot of airing. I love the v2 it’s sexy yes had to get comfort seat yes it’s gets hot but uncomfortable but it is what I wanted since watching foggy win on the 916 . The sound of twins is so sexy . I know you can tour on the bmw but then take the gold wing or gs ultimately it’s which bike pulls your heart strings
This vid and the comments are like a ‘grown up’ game of Top Trumps. It appeals to the kid in all of us. Love it!
I like that - thanks for watching!
Not my type of bikes, but the $$ to switch would seem to be a deciding factor. Or, like you said, get a diff Ducati to split the difference a bit. You can always get a loaner bike to quench your sport bike urges. I wouldn’t buy anything to park in my garage. Get what you’ll ride. And borrow the rest.
Back about a year ago i was looking at sport bikes S1000RR was my top choice but my knees said otherwise after being abel to try a friend of mines S100RR if it wasn't for my knees i would have pulled the trigger on the BMW S1000RR in my opinion BMW made one heck of a bike i ended up buying a Harley Davidson I know im saying a bad word but again i would have definitely bought the S1000RR i enjoy your channel and the info you provide thank you !
Thank you for watching Jason!
I have owned both (of course not the latest S1000RR).
My Panigale had its flaws but man I missed it as soon as it was good. It had the character that I missed on almost perfect BMW.
So you’re saying keep the Pani??
Streetfighter! Way more comfort, all the power and it's still a Ducati. I think it looks just as good as a Panigale. Cheers.
Originally I would not have even recommended changing, but in all honesty if a bike is more comfier than the other and it'll mean your ride it more. Then it's kind of a no brainer I think. But a Streetfighter would cover all the basis. A nice replacement for your Street Triple and Panigale
I wouldn’t bother with either personally, replace the Ducati with a Honda Monkey and have some low speed fun and be £4500 better off.
I like an off the wall suggestion Nigel - and that one definitely hadn’t crossed my mind!
I'd probably be in the same situation as you, but what would sway it is that I'd want to ride the bike... I daily my RR and have 0 issues, I love being able to ride 2 hours to Donnington, do a trackday and then ride home on the same bike, whilst still being comfy & heated grips on!
keep the pannigale and get the new R 1250 GS. I test rode one the other day and it was phenomenal!!!!!
Go for a older sports bike like lamb chops has there's really not any difference and have not been killed by euro laws for 8 grand you could really have fun . great video.
Hi Andy. My thoughts are what you have said many times over the years and that is what puts the biggest smile on your face. If you laugh with joy when riding it then that is the bike to have. I also have an 899 in the stable (I’m now 62) and yes I need physio after riding it but it still has something very special, it certainly has a character all of its own. Best of luck. 😀👍
Regardless of the things you like about the BMW, you will always literally look at it and mentally compare it to the Ducati. I’ve made similar mistakes and still have regrets for bikes I should have kept.
Just my opinion, but the right move is to either keep the Ducati and continue admiring it; or; use the opportunity to trade for something completely different. (Meaning not a sport bike.)
You also mentioned it in your video. You have to live at higher revs (meaning higher speeds) to truly take advantage of the BMW. Riding a bike like that becomes boring within the confines of the law.
Be careful not to end up with an expensive runner-up that doesn’t look as good as what you have and can’t be used properly without breaking the law (and risking your health.)
i thought the 899 had ABS, engine brake and traction control. Not quite the BMW package but just as necessary on the road, especially when anchoring hard in the wet. However, the 150bhp vs 200+ is hugely different even if the NM's are not so much. Just ride the BMW in lower gears and you'll get the v2 up and go albeit revving more. The 'specialness' of 899 is really just an old love affair. Forget the 12k and the BMW is not any less special, in fact more so. Although I am a bit of a BMW fanboy. Nice vid as usual.
Yes the Ducati has all the electronics I need (in fact more!).....I think she'll be staying....
Luckily for me I don’t think either would suit me, but pain in the wrists and back and neck, points towards the BMW. I guess just enjoy each one on its strengths, even if the BMW experience is temporary.
After owning 6 Ducati’s over the years and loving them for many of the same reasons as you, they are beautiful. BUT the smoothness and comfort of the BMW along with the ultimate electronics which will allow you to ride a lot more, hmmm.
Like you I enjoyed looking and gazing at a couple of my past Ducati’s, they are art for sure. But the thrill of riding more (longer outings) more comfort and the big 4 smoothness, well we only live once! Best of luck with your decision…
"These are the problems us bikers have to put up with" ... hehe. Think the number of bikers choosing which 7th or 8th bike they should get is fairly scarce to be honest. That aside, not being a track rider as you say, the bits and bobs like launch control and more electronic set should not be the deciding factor here in my opinion. My personal experience has taught me that rationally steering away from Ducati, I always keep being pulled in again by the looks, the sound, even the smell of them. Like you described in the first part of the video: no other bike can give you that special feeling. And for 12.000, fit some light weight wheels, get a new seat and ride all your other bikes until its a bright and sunny day and then get that monstrous L-twin out and enjoy being part of the red family!
Amen to that!
S1000RR. I am biased as I love mine. Plus I’ve never been a fan of ‘character’ or vibration as normal people would say, that all you lovely RUclipsrs bang on about.
If the Ducati was your only bike and you didn’t ride it because it was uncomfortable I could see the argument for trading it in for the S1000RR. But you are in a lucky position. If you were going on a long solo trip, regardless of how comfortable the S1000RR is, you would probably take your GS. And on a very long trip or with Mrs Flyer you would take your Goldwing. So it really comes down to which one feels special when you ride it and puts the biggest smile on your face. I own a GS and a HD Breakout. The GS is the better bike in every way but one - riding it doesn’t have a sense of occasion.
Yes the Ducati wins hands down by that measure!
Whatever you decide only you will know the thought that goes into it. I would personally keep the ducati, bikes that connect with the heart are hard to find. However, you have a business to add into the mix. I think your heart is leading you to the street fighter, the S1000 is but a stepping stone and from an business perspective, think its been done (lampchops series was good). Ive rarely find my own heart taking me down a wrong path with bikes so listen to your own. if you do sell the 899, add me to the list of interested parties.
My two pences, is rideability is top. It's like a pistol for conceal carry if it feels like crap you wont carry it. So if you don't ride it you wont feel that low down grunt.
The only time i got emotional selling a bike was when i sold my ducati 600ss. Only ducati makes you feel that way. Always regretted it. Now on a ducati supersport and best of all worlds, comfortable, twin torque, character, can tour on it. I would go V2 or new Supersport S. Nothing comes close to an italian sports bike.
Not sure what the answer is, but what a lovely dilemma to have! Both amazing bikes, Italian flair vs Teutonic engineering.
Indeed - I'm not complaining!
I made a decision just last week. I have a 959 Panigale. It’s adorned with subtle carbon bits, ppf protection but more importantly, underslung akrapovic cans. You talk about drama, my 959 is an event every time I get it out. I sold it for a Multistrada. Like you, I simply look at it rather than ride it and, like you, after half an hour, I want to get off it. It’s a decision I didn’t take lightly but ultimately a decision that had to be made. Good luck
Let me know how it goes!
Personally when I have to ask this style of question and currently I am doing so. Between my Speed triple R and a new fireblade sp I already know deep down the answer. After riding touring bikes, off road bikes and back to naked uprights I find myself lusting after sporties every day now. The era of the sports bike will return again haha. So definitely keep a space for one.
The Ducati will always be the best looking bike but I feel the BMW would be a better choice if you’ll use it more often. I swapped my triumph bobber for the speed triple as I was always choosing my Honda hornet over the bobber.
You need a sparkly bike. I have a 2019 MV Dragster 800RC and a Panigale V2 Bayliss and an Öhlins shod 2009 Daytona 675. You also need every day bikes like the 2018 Vespa Sei Giorni, 2019 Kawa ZR900B and Ducati Supersport 950S to clock up the miles.
If you go for soulless bikes, you have to be prepared to do my flying as riding a motorcycle will stop becoming an exciting event. 😁
If I was Andy I'd buy a Ducati V2 Streetfighter.
Then you still have a sort of sparky bike. 😁
Well you summed it up in the 1st 5 minutes. The Beemer will cost more, it comes alive with all the electronics really only on track. You said your really only a road rider and love that feeling from the Ducati which sounds and looks better. Keep the Ducati in my opinion.
sacré bleu Mr Flyer..!! Trading a Ducati in for a Bmw is sacrilege. The RR is a good track bike but if your planning on street riding then it can only be the Streetfighter V4S. 💨💨💨
Difficult decision Andy. If electronics are not that important, maybe have a chat with Chopsy? He's just got a mint GSXR 1000. Something like that, which is more comfortable, then maybe keep the Ducati for a while?
I did the same.. I took both bikes for the test ride and in the end I loved them both but I bought the S1000 .. The reason being is I new I would ride the S1000 more.. Don't get me wrong Ill buy a Ducati one day, maybe the V4 but for now, I love my Beemer
Panigale is a keeper like your GS. The Panigale also provides a range of contrast in your collection and perfection is arguably somewhat boring! Save your money, it could compensate for the rip off on the Royal Enfield in your decision making process.
Keep up the good work 👍
I tend to agree!
I really need to try some new bikes, I can't believe it can be true that the S1krr is gutless at low/er speeds, mainly because my 22 y/o ZX9r is very fast from the first little twist of throttle, until warp speed kicks in at 6-7k rpm, and at 144bhp and 101Nm torque it's a lot less power than the s1krr (although the 9r is still supposed to be good for 0-60 in 3 secs due to the power and gearing, stock). Buy a 2003 F2 ZX9r (mine is a Y2k E1), low mileage and you'll save thousands, actually make money and have a comfortable rocket 😁👍