I have t Pro, beautiful console, and I love it. Connected with a Lg G4 Oled tv it’s wild. And it will get better and better. You don’t have to buy, stick with the 5. People bitching about a piece of hardware is beyond understanding. You better bitch about your salary
I have enough salary to buy pro each month easily. But what's the point of spending almost 1k (in my country) for a console that performs the same as my ps5 if 90% of the time I am playing d4 and poe2, both have enhanced pro label, but still no difference? And I will just loose disc drive and ok-ish stand from the box (I got original ps5). What's the point? I am ok to spend even more on console if the will be noticable difference for me.
@@Osinnii_Lis the point is GOY looking at 60 fps on the pro the same as it looked at 30 fps running on the PS5 on that SOP trailer few month ago. The point of a lot of games like Ghost of Yotei; if you care about these things. this is not about how much money you have it's about how you care about getting the best PlayStation 5 experience, and if you are bother buy the compromised that performance mode had to take to run at 60 fps on the PS5. simple as that. The pro is not for everyone. I met this software engineer young man, living here in the US who work at Dell; he ask me about the pro sense he know that I am game dev, I asked him some question than I advise him to save his money and not to pay it, even though he has more disposable income than most gamers. I would tell another gamer to by the pro, even if they have %20 of the Dell guy income, if they care about getting the best visual at 60 fps. FYI: I would also recommend a PC, Steam Dec, ND Switch, or hell even XBSS depending on the type of gamer.
One fact that many people seem to forget is that the key is not hardware specifications but software performance. Sure, the number 33 TFLOPS sounds appealing, but let’s not forget why high FLOPS are considered indicative of better performance: it’s because higher FLOPS typically result from having more stream processors running at higher clock rates. However, the increased FLOPS in RDNA3 are not due to the number of stream processors or clock rates but rather due to changes in the SIMD unit design. If such a design were adopted for the PS5 Pro, it would require additional work just to run the same titles as the PS5. Given its limited positive impact on software performance, adopting such a specification seems unnecessary. A console needs to be as developer-friendly as possible while staying within cost constraints.
I think people that focus so much on hardware spec numbers really need to understand that ultimately it doesn't matter much on consoles because developers make games optimized to available specs. These mid-gen upgraded consoles just refine things a little further to give more room to have a more smoother and prettier experience; basically more akin to what the developer wanted to see with their games. If you're more focused on hardware specs, features, etc.... You should just play games on PC and upgrade components over time.
That looks like a word salad to me. "people that focus so much on hardware spec numbers" while those same people are clicking on videos for hardware spec numbers. Then "optimized to available specs" as PS5 Pro is now included as a "available spec" that may get a patch, or less aggressive DRS without a patch. I think a larger problem is tribalism, and an attempt to separate console from PC, just to have a superiority war. AMD hardware in many peoples PCs, isn't far off from hardware in the consoles either. RDNA 1, 2, 3, 4 obviously correlates to the PC GPU releases, and yet it included to define the custom APUs which while it is somewhat custom, it is still completely based on AMDs existing PC GPU technologies. The main difference on PC, is you get to decide how you want to use the extra compute units you just purchased, and possibly spent $400+ to get those extras, while saying it doesn't matter on console. 7800 XT has 60 compute units vs the 7900xtx at 96 compute units... does that not matter? Oh it does because it goes into a PC. PS5 36 compute units vs a PS5 Pro 60 compute units... doesn't matter because it is a AMD console instead of a AMD PC? Am I getting that right? How about mini PCs, and handhelds... does compute matter? Or is it because you can call those PCs that it matters, but if Xbox releases a handheld all the sudden specs don't matter vs a Rog Ally. This whole PC master race garbage when most are running 3060s and want to play like a superior group where specs matter, is just laughable at times. Since PS5 Pro was announced, the group it made angry the most were PC players, extremely familiar with all PC hardware. Yes I too am a PC gamer, but I did spend years on consoles, and I use a Dualsense Edge on both platforms and game pretty much the same, aside from resolution changes and graphics settings that I set on PC, rather than it being set for me on console. Since I game on a 4090, the DLSS, FG is different, but AMD is using similar techniques in console games as well. Specs always matter, and consoles have never been closer in hardware to PCs, and just like PCs where people spend hundreds of dollars more for a better GPU, it also matters on console as well.
standard ps5 games aren't even optimized to take advantage of the current hardware. ps5pro is just a shortcut for devs to eek out a little extra without customization.
There are three certainties in life; 1. Death 2. Taxes 3. Sony misleading consumers about the hardware capability of their upcoming PlayStation console.
This GPU looks alike an old "custom" GPU that consoles used to have. Part RDNA 2 minus some features, part RDNA 3, Part RDNA 4, Part modifications and additions made by Sony, beautiful. Will we ever see a GPU with so many customizations on a video game console ever again?
The presence of Mesh Shaders is a risky assumption without confirmation, neither official nor... There is a big anomaly that seems not to be highlighted, the case of AW-2 would be better and could have had compatibility problems without a patch.
Lame how PSSR cannot be implemented at a system wide level and across a library of older PS4 games to upscale them cleanly to 4k. Instead, we get some lame crap scaler and almoat every PSSR implementation yet has been a major fail. Not a good look Mark Cerny. I'd rather have a system level option to do nearest neighbor scaling on older 1080p games, some actual good VRR support, freesync, lower VRR bounds, display stream compression, and less janky HDR. This generation blows donkey balls.
@@ArielCleirigh ray tracing in this generation actually looks worse than a lot of last generation lighting techniques. Ray tracing doesn’t automatically mean better lighting, because it has been proven by threat interactive that traditional lighting methods loom just as good with a fraction of the ray tracing performance costs
😂😂😂😂😂😂 4k60 with rt.....nah ps6 better be having way more then just that. That's a waste. We already have 4k60 games on ps4pro.....u need to wait to ps6 for more 4k60 is utterly insane😂
@@deafboricua21 a lot of the game were checker boarded from 1600-1800p which is more than 1440p. Checker boarding looked very mushy and blurry so the ps4 pro would have looked a ton better without it
@@bombyo3634there is not a single game running in true 4k60 on 60fps apart from maybe some 2d indie title. Everything is upscaled and looks mostly very blurry. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about if you think a ps5 can run 4k60 with ray tracing. Even highend pc’s struggle with that.
Exactly. They outed themselves during the conference. We, the consumers, are guinea pigs. The $699 US entry point is an absolutely ridiculous price too. It shouldn't be a single dollar over $550, maybe $600 for a disc drive model. No disc drive, a separate $30 stand, no PRO patches that show any meaningful ray tracing performance gains, and a failed PSSR launch with embarrassingly low rendering resolutions to boot. Lol, this generation sucks. The PS4 PRO was a much more worthy upgrade over the base PS4 compared to this, and $200 cheaper at that.
I wonder, after so much time, why df has not talked about the Threat Interactive videos. I mean the subject is right up their alley and its really something that needs to be addressed.
Threat Interactive is basically the game-equivalent of an anti-vaxxer. His talking points and "proof" have been thorougly debunked already, and the fact he spends most of a video like he's Alex Jones attacking and criticizing people and playing victim instead of staying on the topic of his claims makes his intend even more clear. The less attention he's given the better.
@@RRR3000gaming and idk why he gets so much hate. Even other developers are supporting him like the cherno who is extremely credible as he is making his own game engine. Both the cherno and TI say that real time lighting solutions should not be used for every case scenario because it’s takes to much hardware for no visual benefits, and actually less pleasing lighting rffects
@@balloonb0y677 His "proof" video is the one that's been debunked. It shows various "fixes" that have nothing to do with the problem he claims to "fix", and that in most games he criticizes *have been applied already*. It also is a video where he spends the majority of the runtime with personal attacks, rants, and playing victim, instead of actually proving his point in a technical way. There's a reason topics like anti-vax or people like Alex Jones get a following. Their content is designed to incite a shared hatred and distrust, rather than to educate. To get people outraged, rather than informed. Seems like people have learned nothing and it's working again.
I don’t understand what ppl expected of the ps5 pro game still have to be optimized for the ps5 the ps5 pro the xbox and Xbox series s , the only games that will take full advantage of the pro hardware are Sony games , that has always been a trend specially for mid gen upgrades.
I think, given that it's nigh on twice the price of a slim digital, that the benefits would be more obvious. In what way, I don't know, but £700 is a lot of cash.
@ yes of course it is I have it and I wouldn’t recommend anyone to get it unless they just happen to have the money for it , is not a must have at all .
Makes all of the games I own look and run better. You should see ff7 rebirth on it. Man it looks great. Stellar blade is also a big game changer that comes to mind. I believe both of those games are 3rd party and may be the best examples of what pssr can do.
The way I see it, like many others say it’s up to the devs to implement it correctly. But also if they mess it up, best believe they will have to patch it up sooner rather than later which is fine with me as well. Missing out on cleaner visuals for most future games because of a select few devs having faults in a patch released is crazy to me lol. For those few games they might even say that the base ps5 looks better than the ps5 pro version in this game….till it gets fixed and doesn’t anymore, then what? Oh well good thing they fixed it right? Then base ps5 goes right back to the bottom 🤷🏾♂️.
See but this kind of logic makes 0 sense to me, why are you focused on the “certain” games it doesn’t look good in, and not the 20+ games that it’s a night and day improvement?
Ps5 pro is only good until you get into a town, or an area with any kind of CPU reliant situations. I sold mine cause I got tired of going to 40-50+ fps in towns of every game I played. So tired of that horrible lag. Gaming pc, and switch 2 is all i want. Sony ps5 pro is just the apple of consoles "Listen to me say all this fancy stuff" yet still lagging.
The base PS5 is a good console, and Mark clearly laid out the benefits of the Pro, which is why I upgraded my launch digital console to the Pro. I am glad he explained the incorrect reports of 33 Tflops when it is 16.
I don't know why the Pro gets so much hate; it's a really good console and delivers an incredibly good picture and performance on the TV for almost all games.
The hate is coming from the queerbox series x fanqueers and pc virgins 😂. Pc virgins are just mad that a $700 console beats their mid range GPU 😂😂. Look up the steam stats.
I mean, it’s over $700 in total and causes a not insignificant number of games to actually look worse than before. The “hate” (if you could call it that) seems justified to me.
Shall we all pretend Cerny didn’t render traditional measurement tools and captures irrelevant and called out the blatant misrepresentation and cherry picking? I guess whatever makes people feel better…
Wow it's the same clock speed as the PS5 man y'all got scammed WACK to that dude that keep putting that comment @kingofconsoles boy you sound STUPID it took Mark Cerny to break y'all hearts 😂😅😅😅
The price! In the meantime I am waiting what will the Radeon 8800XT will be and @what price (considering upgrading 3080Ti), while sticking with my PS5 vanilla = no need to upgrade.
The pro gets hate because pc and Xbox fans are jealous that they can’t get the same performance for 700$ and have to pay 600$ for the stipperglitter box🤣!
Awwww im so hurt 😭…my full RDNA2 isn’t RDNA2ing 🤣 I have too many RDNAs for the price of an xbox series trash…the pro is a hybrid 3 and 4 😬 too bad xbox fans cant get a crisp picture like this o wait they dont have any ff games so they aren’t getting any picture at all 🤣 and they had the audacity to say you should have bought an Xbox 🤣 boy nobody wants that trash we are gettin the whole slate and pro enhanced nobody needs a trash box, my trashcan is apparently an Xbox play anywhere 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 the only place im going to play that pos is on my toilet🤣because apparently thats an xbox too🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@ true…until they pull it from the market. Xbox has one more generation to show its worth and if it fails for the 3rd time then nothing will be an Xbox.
Je suis français. Je constate avec dépit le mêmes commentaires absurdes sur la PS5 Pro sur les sites anglophones. Chacun fait ce qu’il veut avec son argent durement gagné. Moi je ne l’ai pas achetée, mais je souhaite qu’elle fasse le bonheur de ses nouveaux possesseurs. Oui ce n’est qu’une machine améliorée et pas une next-gen…et c’est très bien comme cela. Merci Sony. Joyeux Noël !
😌 the days of just enjoying games are over. It’s now about fps, graphics and storage. Nonetheless, I have the ps5 pro and in person, yes, in person, it’s crazy good graphically and very fast. RUclips can’t do justice showing what it’s capable of. As time goes by, the pro will get better. Also, don’t be surprised if Sony produce or game developers create ps5 pro only games separately from the base ☕️
@ it’s an opinion. But I won’t be surprised if they do. Also that can’t be horrible marketing if they create games for precisely pro consoles and keep base ps5 games the same. If you want the features the pro is getting, be it pro games, buy the ps5 pro 🤷♂️ if you’re fine with the base, that’s fine also
''Also, don’t be surprised if Sony produce or game developers create ps5 pro only games separately from the base'' I'm gonna assume you're joking around. This is not happening, ever. The whole point of a Pro console is it being backwards compatible with the base model.
@ScyrousFX exactly. Guy is just some excited person who got a pro and wants to feel good about the purchase. They made a ps4pro and now a ps5pro. Why would they make games only working on the pro but not other ps5 which is still just a ps5. 😂😂😂😂😂 this made me laugh.
@@basedplants I have a "4080 super" 😉😉. Yeah you don't. Light rt vs what a 4080 can do..and you make a conclusion the rt is good on a pro. Pis$ off with the lying.
PS5 pro is a great consolé. I have never seen so much people shitting about something they dont want to buy. Dont like it, dont buy it. This bittching sounds like jealousy
I have it because I have disposable income to constitute this hobby. The best thing I can say about it is it's much smaller form factor over the base PS5. Otherwise, it's very much, not "great." It's mid. Stop hyping up a half-ass attempt of a mid-gen refresh. The criticism of the PRO is very much, valid.
@@markl1671It certainly shouldn't be anywhere over $550. The only tangible change is within the GPU, and at the loss of a disc drive and stand. At $550, this would be easier to stomach, but at $700 for a weak show case? Had they allowed for the ability to force blood borne and other PS4 gems into a forced 4k mode at the system level with some PSSR super magic, that would have been pretty cool. Stupid me for expecting Sony to not be so half-assed.
@@Cavscout101 It's called being intelligent with your money. For example; instead of buying a PS5 Pro I invested my money in the stock market. I successfully turned $700 into $300 in just a matter of days.
The facts remain the same. The PS5 Pro at $700, and without a disc drive, is a scam. None of the improvements so far are worth anywhere near $250 more over a base PS5 without a disc drive. For $250 I could buy Intel's new Arc Gpu that blows the PS5 Pro out of the water.
The Pro is a whopping $700 without a disc drive and most of the time in unpatched games, you get performance improvements in the 30% range. Otherwise, you have to wait for the developers to be nice enough to throw you a bone and hopefully, they don't make things worse such as with Alan Wake 2, Jedi Survivor, Star Wars Outlaws, or Frontiers of Pandora. It's 55-75% more expensive than the regular PS5 (at least it has a 2TB drive), but the performance is nowhere near that high. PSSR is mandatory to get your money's worth and not every dev use it. It also has its fair share of issues that would have made a straight 55-75% performance boost far more desirable. A higher resolution never looks worse than a lower one. That's why it's getting dumped on. Bad value console, when consoles' strongest points are their value.
@@gothpunkboy89Irrelevant. This is a console that comes out 4 years after the original. Imagine if the 5070 is only 45% faster than the 3070 but cost $800. That’s the kind of disappointment the Pro is.
For all the people who said the pro isn’t worth it. Nobody listened lol i bought it and am happy i get better performance than base blurryS5 and 600$stripperglitter box full RDNA2🤪 we got RDNA2,3,and 4 bruh!🤣 can’t wait to play gta 6 on a real next get machine.😂
@@heroicsquirrel3195 yes its so cringe to play gta6 at its best quality or at all for that matter because PC isn’t getting it until 60 series cards come out but by then ps6 will be out 🤣
@@heroicsquirrel3195 i rather be cringe than play on a system that can’t play gta6 at its best or at all. Pro for the win all day RDNA 2,3,anddddd 4 🤣🤣🤣🤣 for 700$ 🤪thats too expensive derrr🤪 even though the stipperglitter is 600$ and 4090 is 1600$🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Tflops is not gonna save a developer from bad programming, you can not run silent hill 2 on a 4090 at 4k 60 fps. We need to start holding devs to the fire, they need to slow down and optimize their games. We keep buying unoptimized games that take years to optimize. Why is it that guerilla makes the best looking games of all gaming, but they don't use ray tracing , they don't even use pssr. They have become so good at optimizing their visuals/performance.
@@leon45sant because the traditional shadow maps and lighting effects were already extremely good. Look at any last gen games like rdr2 and tlou2 that didn’t use real time ray tracing. Sure, ray tracing is definitely needed for certain scenarios like instances with a lot of dynamics, but the majority of the real time ray tracing is a huge waste of performance. If over used, the visual fidelity falls apart due to having to make cut backs which Lumen in UE5 perfectly demonstrates. Lumen makes all the lighting look super grainy and blurry which completely ruins the overall image of the game.
Omg Digital Foundry get off Sony's dick about PS5 pro...stop making these countless nit picking videos.Mark Cerny already came out and stepped up to the plate with a full explanation(as if he had to) of the PS5 pro design....now get a life & move on !!!
@@aceofspades001 Having and explanation of why they didn't do it doesn't change the fact that they should have done it, they capped the knees of the upgraded GPU keeping the same CPU/Clock
@@AstraMilitarumFodder apparently it would be a huge waste of resources to get ps4 and ps5 games to be compatible with a console that would probably be 1000$ that nobody would buy
Richard said its a 4070 and it literally started some of the worst misinformation about this console. Are they gonna come out and admit they messed up? 😂
Care to clarify? I really have no idea what you're referring to. The +45% performance uplift has been rumored for a long time. A 4070 roughly matches that, compared to the GPU in base PS5.
@@ScyrousFXThe Pro was always stated as having "up to a 45%" uplift over the PS5. Whenever you see "up to" in a sales pitch, then it's always being used as a marketing ploy to try and fool the guilible into thinking the product is far better and more capable than it actually is. In reality, it'll highly likely never reach that level. That 45% is it's theoretical uppermost limit. A game would have to be finely tuned and optimised to near perfection and also be capable of fully utilising every single last drop of performance from out of the PS5 Pro's GPU in order to achieve that. Which let's face it!! It'll never happen. It's always the average uplift and not the top most uplift, which is the decerning and most important factor of a GPU. As it's that average uplift that you will most commonly and typically witness in games. And the Pro's average uplift over the PS5, is now looking to be somewhere in the region of around 25-33% (likely 30%). BTW, a 4070 also pumps out around 55% more performance than a PS5 GPU on average. The PS5 Pro was never going to reach it's level of performance. Rich even originally stated that the 4070 would still be more powerful and would be pumping out around 10-15% more performance than the PS5 Pro in most games. And bear in mind, that figure was entirely based on his original misguided assumption that the Pro would always be getting a 45% uplift over the PS5....Which it isn't !!! Instead, the Pro performance is now looking like it's far closer to that of a 3070, rather than a 4070. And yes, it is about time that Rich came clean and admitted that he was completely wrong with his original assumption of the Pro being comparable to a 4070 on PC. Especially when time and time again it's now being shown in thier own tests, that a 4070 is pumping out around 20-25% more frames than the Pro is, on average.
This whole thing got so out of control that people really thought the PS5 Pro could beat an entry level PC. This is why the console world stays in the console world and the PC world stays in the PC world. It got so bad that Cerny had to come out and simply say what we all had being saying all along - the PS5 Pro is simply a refreshed version of the PS5 base with a stronger GPU, that's it. And, PSSR is a plus and just a lite version that it can only be utilized in specific targeted areas. I was hoping the Pro's new APU had an equal amount of power in the CPU and not just the GPU and priced properly as I didnt care for PSSR at all. That is why I didn't invest into the PS5 Pro and was very disappointed with it and the price. I wanted to return to the console world with the PS5 Pro because it was a great console but instead I opted out for the refreshed PS5 Slim Digital for $299, which is powerful enough, very stable, slick, small, elegant, and does the job well to play all forward PS4/PS5 games. If I want power, I'll hop on my high end PC. But for now, the refreshed PS5 Slim Digital will do and I'll wait for the PS6 Pro. I hope Sony learned a valuable lesson to never market the PlayStation like a PC again but keep it in the console realm. What a disappointment the PS5 Pro is and could not do what its younger brother the PS4 Pro did for Playstation which was revolutionize the PlayStation. And this is why Sony equally could not convert PS4 owners to the PS5 because that is how well the PS4 was built being the height of PlayStation already. Sometimes loyal fans are the worst to help companies grow that is why you need to only be a fan of your wallet and if companies want your money, then they better make great products and price them properly.
You people watch the ps5pro show, how Sony tried to explain the ps5pro I mean Mark Cerny couldn't even take his eyes off the teleprompter, the ps5pro is garbage and the only people that like it are the ones that got it for free
I have an Xbox and a PS5 Pro, yet I never thought some people could be soooo jelly. Just buy it man. The hate and jealously just isn’t worth the toll it’s taking on your heart ❤. Take out a payday loan lmao
Don't like it, don't get it. Move on, grow up. Nothing is that black or white. People need to learn to debate/discuss. Nothing is either the best thing ever, or the worst garbage ever. You sound like Trump... pretty much a toddlers with a tantrum. How did you drew that conclusion?
Yep sold my PS5 disk version base with 4 games and got the pro for $130 bucks with the disk attachment but, to be honestly I can barely see the upgrade. Not worth the full retail price unless you never owned a PS5 but, why spend the extra money when you can buy the base fat one for under $300 bucks on eBay.
How does it feel to be so insecure that you feel the need to make such pointless comments? Is this your form of therapy? If so you really should look up healthier alternatives. Like going outside and interacting with people.
Well, PC is getting extremely expensive. I for one not buying another gpu over 1500 bucks ever again. Going back to console i can see some of the visual downgrades but, after 30 mins or so doesn't bother me.
@@felps_duprat But it isn't peasant level performance. You need high end cards to play games at 4k. The fact most people's display is still 1080p kind of says a lot.
Mark Cerny's "lectures" and "appearances" in these hour-long explanatory and instructional videos and never-ending fairy tales with this monotonous and ultra-affected sing-song in his squeaky voice about the PS5 Pro and its ALLEGED technical "achievements" and groundbreaking enhancements are one thing above all: incredibly bizarre and scary! I don't even believe half of it; "The Frankenstein thing" was quickly cobbled together within 1.5 years and is one of the biggest scams in the history of the games industry.
I have t Pro, beautiful console, and I love it. Connected with a Lg G4 Oled tv it’s wild. And it will get better and better. You don’t have to buy, stick with the 5. People bitching about a piece of hardware is beyond understanding. You better bitch about your salary
I have enough salary to buy pro each month easily. But what's the point of spending almost 1k (in my country) for a console that performs the same as my ps5 if 90% of the time I am playing d4 and poe2, both have enhanced pro label, but still no difference? And I will just loose disc drive and ok-ish stand from the box (I got original ps5). What's the point? I am ok to spend even more on console if the will be noticable difference for me.
Pc native still looks better even a 700$ pc gets 2x more fps
@@Osinnii_Lis the point is GOY looking at 60 fps on the pro the same as it looked at 30 fps running on the PS5 on that SOP trailer few month ago. The point of a lot of games like Ghost of Yotei; if you care about these things. this is not about how much money you have it's about how you care about getting the best PlayStation 5 experience, and if you are bother buy the compromised that performance mode had to take to run at 60 fps on the PS5. simple as that. The pro is not for everyone. I met this software engineer young man, living here in the US who work at Dell; he ask me about the pro sense he know that I am game dev, I asked him some question than I advise him to save his money and not to pay it, even though he has more disposable income than most gamers. I would tell another gamer to by the pro, even if they have %20 of the Dell guy income, if they care about getting the best visual at 60 fps.
FYI: I would also recommend a PC, Steam Dec, ND Switch, or hell even XBSS depending on the type of gamer.
@@ELpeaceonearth people like you make us look like idiots
Same here LG G4 with pro dammm looks beautiful
One fact that many people seem to forget is that the key is not hardware specifications but software performance.
Sure, the number 33 TFLOPS sounds appealing, but let’s not forget why high FLOPS are considered indicative of better performance: it’s because higher FLOPS typically result from having more stream processors running at higher clock rates.
However, the increased FLOPS in RDNA3 are not due to the number of stream processors or clock rates but rather due to changes in the SIMD unit design.
If such a design were adopted for the PS5 Pro, it would require additional work just to run the same titles as the PS5.
Given its limited positive impact on software performance, adopting such a specification seems unnecessary.
A console needs to be as developer-friendly as possible while staying within cost constraints.
I think people that focus so much on hardware spec numbers really need to understand that ultimately it doesn't matter much on consoles because developers make games optimized to available specs. These mid-gen upgraded consoles just refine things a little further to give more room to have a more smoother and prettier experience; basically more akin to what the developer wanted to see with their games.
If you're more focused on hardware specs, features, etc.... You should just play games on PC and upgrade components over time.
That looks like a word salad to me. "people that focus so much on hardware spec numbers" while those same people are clicking on videos for hardware spec numbers. Then "optimized to available specs" as PS5 Pro is now included as a "available spec" that may get a patch, or less aggressive DRS without a patch. I think a larger problem is tribalism, and an attempt to separate console from PC, just to have a superiority war. AMD hardware in many peoples PCs, isn't far off from hardware in the consoles either. RDNA 1, 2, 3, 4 obviously correlates to the PC GPU releases, and yet it included to define the custom APUs which while it is somewhat custom, it is still completely based on AMDs existing PC GPU technologies.
The main difference on PC, is you get to decide how you want to use the extra compute units you just purchased, and possibly spent $400+ to get those extras, while saying it doesn't matter on console. 7800 XT has 60 compute units vs the 7900xtx at 96 compute units... does that not matter? Oh it does because it goes into a PC. PS5 36 compute units vs a PS5 Pro 60 compute units... doesn't matter because it is a AMD console instead of a AMD PC? Am I getting that right? How about mini PCs, and handhelds... does compute matter? Or is it because you can call those PCs that it matters, but if Xbox releases a handheld all the sudden specs don't matter vs a Rog Ally.
This whole PC master race garbage when most are running 3060s and want to play like a superior group where specs matter, is just laughable at times. Since PS5 Pro was announced, the group it made angry the most were PC players, extremely familiar with all PC hardware. Yes I too am a PC gamer, but I did spend years on consoles, and I use a Dualsense Edge on both platforms and game pretty much the same, aside from resolution changes and graphics settings that I set on PC, rather than it being set for me on console. Since I game on a 4090, the DLSS, FG is different, but AMD is using similar techniques in console games as well. Specs always matter, and consoles have never been closer in hardware to PCs, and just like PCs where people spend hundreds of dollars more for a better GPU, it also matters on console as well.
standard ps5 games aren't even optimized to take advantage of the current hardware. ps5pro is just a shortcut for devs to eek out a little extra without customization.
@@McnoobletMore 'word salad'....😂
There are three certainties in life;
1. Death
2. Taxes
3. Sony misleading consumers about the hardware capability of their upcoming PlayStation console.
Misleading where?
@@akkibajaj705 everywhere.
I like the concept of finding new ways rather than continuing to upgrade brute power.
@@riccardoloffi2017 bro the pro is the embodiment of brute power
@balloonb0y677
On new way
@@riccardoloffi2017 what
@@balloonb0y677 its not
@balloonb0y677
AI,ML = NPU > CPU
This GPU looks alike an old "custom" GPU that consoles used to have.
Part RDNA 2 minus some features, part RDNA 3, Part RDNA 4, Part modifications and additions made by Sony, beautiful.
Will we ever see a GPU with so many customizations on a video game console ever again?
The presence of Mesh Shaders is a risky assumption without confirmation, neither official nor...
There is a big anomaly that seems not to be highlighted, the case of AW-2 would be better and could have had compatibility problems without a patch.
Lame how PSSR cannot be implemented at a system wide level and across a library of older PS4 games to upscale them cleanly to 4k. Instead, we get some lame crap scaler and almoat every PSSR implementation yet has been a major fail. Not a good look Mark Cerny.
I'd rather have a system level option to do nearest neighbor scaling on older 1080p games, some actual good VRR support, freesync, lower VRR bounds, display stream compression, and less janky HDR.
This generation blows donkey balls.
Basically just wait for PS6, if you want to get 4k 60 with raytracing without issues.
@@ArielCleirigh ray tracing in this generation actually looks worse than a lot of last generation lighting techniques. Ray tracing doesn’t automatically mean better lighting, because it has been proven by threat interactive that traditional lighting methods loom just as good with a fraction of the ray tracing performance costs
😂😂😂😂😂😂 4k60 with rt.....nah ps6 better be having way more then just that. That's a waste. We already have 4k60 games on ps4pro.....u need to wait to ps6 for more 4k60 is utterly insane😂
@@bombyo3634PS4 Pro used checkerboard technology. It’s not the case with PS5 Pro and it shouldn’t have to be on PS6.
@@deafboricua21 a lot of the game were checker boarded from 1600-1800p which is more than 1440p. Checker boarding looked very mushy and blurry so the ps4 pro would have looked a ton better without it
@@bombyo3634there is not a single game running in true 4k60 on 60fps apart from maybe some 2d indie title. Everything is upscaled and looks mostly very blurry. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about if you think a ps5 can run 4k60 with ray tracing. Even highend pc’s struggle with that.
FlopStation 5 Pro
flopflation on ps5 pro, ramflation on nvidia, mad times
PS5 Pro is just a beta tester machine for PSSR
Yes a guineas pig for PS6.
And that's great, no? Makes way more sense than to introduce it on PS6.
Exactly. They outed themselves during the conference. We, the consumers, are guinea pigs. The $699 US entry point is an absolutely ridiculous price too. It shouldn't be a single dollar over $550, maybe $600 for a disc drive model.
No disc drive, a separate $30 stand, no PRO patches that show any meaningful ray tracing performance gains, and a failed PSSR launch with embarrassingly low rendering resolutions to boot.
Lol, this generation sucks. The PS4 PRO was a much more worthy upgrade over the base PS4 compared to this, and $200 cheaper at that.
I wonder, after so much time, why df has not talked about the Threat Interactive videos. I mean the subject is right up their alley and its really something that needs to be addressed.
Threat Interactive is basically the game-equivalent of an anti-vaxxer. His talking points and "proof" have been thorougly debunked already, and the fact he spends most of a video like he's Alex Jones attacking and criticizing people and playing victim instead of staying on the topic of his claims makes his intend even more clear. The less attention he's given the better.
@@RRR3000gamingwhat has been disproven from? He literally made a video proving everyone wrong and his words literally became a reality.
@@RRR3000gaming and idk why he gets so much hate. Even other developers are supporting him like the cherno who is extremely credible as he is making his own game engine. Both the cherno and TI say that real time lighting solutions should not be used for every case scenario because it’s takes to much hardware for no visual benefits, and actually less pleasing lighting rffects
@@balloonb0y677 His "proof" video is the one that's been debunked. It shows various "fixes" that have nothing to do with the problem he claims to "fix", and that in most games he criticizes *have been applied already*. It also is a video where he spends the majority of the runtime with personal attacks, rants, and playing victim, instead of actually proving his point in a technical way.
There's a reason topics like anti-vax or people like Alex Jones get a following. Their content is designed to incite a shared hatred and distrust, rather than to educate. To get people outraged, rather than informed. Seems like people have learned nothing and it's working again.
Never heard of the guy / channel.
I don’t understand what ppl expected of the ps5 pro game still have to be optimized for the ps5 the ps5 pro the xbox and Xbox series s , the only games that will take full advantage of the pro hardware are Sony games , that has always been a trend specially for mid gen upgrades.
I think, given that it's nigh on twice the price of a slim digital, that the benefits would be more obvious. In what way, I don't know, but £700 is a lot of cash.
@ yes of course it is I have it and I wouldn’t recommend anyone to get it unless they just happen to have the money for it , is not a must have at all .
Makes all of the games I own look and run better. You should see ff7 rebirth on it. Man it looks great. Stellar blade is also a big game changer that comes to mind. I believe both of those games are 3rd party and may be the best examples of what pssr can do.
@@alphaj9 Both coming to PC also, and will be running much better. Keep coping though
@@stephenwakeman3074why are you talking as if it’s required to buy PS5 Pro? It’s not required and it’s only for those who have money to splurge.
Gotta say I was taken in by the PSSR early buzz but now it's not looking that great in certain games.
Because devs need more time to lear how to implement it corectly
It's all up to devs, when PSSR is implemented correctly it's very impressive
The way I see it, like many others say it’s up to the devs to implement it correctly. But also if they mess it up, best believe they will have to patch it up sooner rather than later which is fine with me as well. Missing out on cleaner visuals for most future games because of a select few devs having faults in a patch released is crazy to me lol. For those few games they might even say that the base ps5 looks better than the ps5 pro version in this game….till it gets fixed and doesn’t anymore, then what? Oh well good thing they fixed it right? Then base ps5 goes right back to the bottom 🤷🏾♂️.
See but this kind of logic makes 0 sense to me, why are you focused on the “certain” games it doesn’t look good in, and not the 20+ games that it’s a night and day improvement?
@ Ummm because for that price I expect the game to look better than than a much cheaper console. Genius eh
Ya'll are definitely milking this subject...
Just don’t gimp the original PS5 games just to artificially create a so called PRO Difference
Where's the pc slop race at? come to cope and seethe and hyperventilate into brown paper bags 🤣
Ps5 pro is only good until you get into a town, or an area with any kind of CPU reliant situations.
I sold mine cause I got tired of going to 40-50+ fps in towns of every game I played.
So tired of that horrible lag. Gaming pc, and switch 2 is all i want.
Sony ps5 pro is just the apple of consoles "Listen to me say all this fancy stuff" yet still lagging.
People hating on the pro will keep playing games like Blur Marine 2 and coping lol
My god the ps5pro is on the level of a 4070 ya got scammed Markey bent you over and broke it off in you for 700 dollars and rdna2 with a pssr beta
The base PS5 is a good console, and Mark clearly laid out the benefits of the Pro, which is why I upgraded my launch digital console to the Pro. I am glad he explained the incorrect reports of 33 Tflops when it is 16.
17(16.7) it more 17 then 16
Lol my 3080 has double and gets double the fps @@joepeglegmorgan3015
@@joepeglegmorgan3015yall just don’t give up 😂😂😂😂
@@southsidetherealest2860They can't 😂. They love sony
So it's 2 parts of 3 and 4. So it's a hybrid
I don't know why the Pro gets so much hate; it's a really good console and delivers an incredibly good picture and performance on the TV for almost all games.
@@Starfey you do know Sony doesn’t have deep pockets so let’s overcharge and a little better upgrade
The hate is coming from the queerbox series x fanqueers and pc virgins 😂. Pc virgins are just mad that a $700 console beats their mid range GPU 😂😂. Look up the steam stats.
I mean, it’s over $700 in total and causes a not insignificant number of games to actually look worse than before. The “hate” (if you could call it that) seems justified to me.
It gets hate because of certain groups of fanboy yt creators or certain publications who's main goal is to shit on anything Sony and PlayStation.
Shall we all pretend Cerny didn’t render traditional measurement tools and captures irrelevant and called out the blatant misrepresentation and cherry picking? I guess whatever makes people feel better…
Looks like same comparison as last one
Wow it's the same clock speed as the PS5 man y'all got scammed WACK to that dude that keep putting that comment @kingofconsoles boy you sound STUPID it took Mark Cerny to break y'all hearts 😂😅😅😅
It was known from the beginning that the clock speed would be the same... so euh... no scam.
@shortw00d81 and yo stupid ADD still bought it FOOL
@@eugenesmith195 right so when you upgrade to 4090 your cpu doesn’t hold anything back…
The price! In the meantime I am waiting what will the Radeon 8800XT will be and @what price (considering upgrading 3080Ti), while sticking with my PS5 vanilla = no need to upgrade.
The pro gets hate because pc and Xbox fans are jealous that they can’t get the same performance for 700$ and have to pay 600$ for the stipperglitter box🤣!
Spoken like an attention seeking kid over toys....
Agreed. They just like an attention seeker because nobody really cares about them.
Awwww im so hurt 😭…my full RDNA2 isn’t RDNA2ing 🤣 I have too many RDNAs for the price of an xbox series trash…the pro is a hybrid 3 and 4 😬 too bad xbox fans cant get a crisp picture like this o wait they dont have any ff games so they aren’t getting any picture at all 🤣 and they had the audacity to say you should have bought an Xbox 🤣 boy nobody wants that trash we are gettin the whole slate and pro enhanced nobody needs a trash box, my trashcan is apparently an Xbox play anywhere 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 the only place im going to play that pos is on my toilet🤣because apparently thats an xbox too🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Everything is a Xbox though?
@ true…until they pull it from the market. Xbox has one more generation to show its worth and if it fails for the 3rd time then nothing will be an Xbox.
A true protato
Je suis français. Je constate avec dépit le mêmes commentaires absurdes sur la PS5 Pro sur les sites anglophones. Chacun fait ce qu’il veut avec son argent durement gagné. Moi je ne l’ai pas achetée, mais je souhaite qu’elle fasse le bonheur de ses nouveaux possesseurs. Oui ce n’est qu’une machine améliorée et pas une next-gen…et c’est très bien comme cela. Merci Sony. Joyeux Noël !
😌 the days of just enjoying games are over. It’s now about fps, graphics and storage. Nonetheless, I have the ps5 pro and in person, yes, in person, it’s crazy good graphically and very fast. RUclips can’t do justice showing what it’s capable of. As time goes by, the pro will get better. Also, don’t be surprised if Sony produce or game developers create ps5 pro only games separately from the base ☕️
@@julesthatruth1993 pro only game will never happen. That horrible marketing
@ it’s an opinion. But I won’t be surprised if they do. Also that can’t be horrible marketing if they create games for precisely pro consoles and keep base ps5 games the same. If you want the features the pro is getting, be it pro games, buy the ps5 pro 🤷♂️ if you’re fine with the base, that’s fine also
''Also, don’t be surprised if Sony produce or game developers create ps5 pro only games separately from the base''
I'm gonna assume you're joking around. This is not happening, ever. The whole point of a Pro console is it being backwards compatible with the base model.
No offense but that's silly. They would loose money and its just stupid. Xsx and xsx dint do that because it makes no sense at all
@ScyrousFX exactly. Guy is just some excited person who got a pro and wants to feel good about the purchase.
They made a ps4pro and now a ps5pro. Why would they make games only working on the pro but not other ps5 which is still just a ps5. 😂😂😂😂😂 this made me laugh.
Can pssr be upgraded or tweaked via firmwares/updates or even added on to by Sony?
Yes but that's not the narrative everyone wants to hear
Better be this can prolong the PS6 for at least another 3 more years.
Yes, but it will always be worse than AMD's FSR and miles worse than DLSS. So, the point of PSSR existing at all is puzzling.
“Ray tracing improvements”…you mean it went from rt shadows only to rt medium lol
That is the definition of an improvement yes.
To even below low rt in games like Alan wake 2 😂😂.
Console gamers - Pwaaaaaahhhh
I have a 4080 super and a ps5 pro, you're coping
@@basedplants I have a "4080 super" 😉😉.
Yeah you don't. Light rt vs what a 4080 can do..and you make a conclusion the rt is good on a pro.
Pis$ off with the lying.
PS5 Semi Pro
PS5 pro is a great consolé. I have never seen so much people shitting about something they dont want to buy. Dont like it, dont buy it. This bittching sounds like jealousy
The Poors can't afford it
Here is you. Because you bought it, you like it. Stop bitching about people who wanted it to be more affordable. Pot calling the kettle black.
I have it because I have disposable income to constitute this hobby. The best thing I can say about it is it's much smaller form factor over the base PS5. Otherwise, it's very much, not "great." It's mid. Stop hyping up a half-ass attempt of a mid-gen refresh. The criticism of the PRO is very much, valid.
@@markl1671It certainly shouldn't be anywhere over $550. The only tangible change is within the GPU, and at the loss of a disc drive and stand. At $550, this would be easier to stomach, but at $700 for a weak show case? Had they allowed for the ability to force blood borne and other PS4 gems into a forced 4k mode at the system level with some PSSR super magic, that would have been pretty cool. Stupid me for expecting Sony to not be so half-assed.
@@Cavscout101 It's called being intelligent with your money. For example; instead of buying a PS5 Pro I invested my money in the stock market. I successfully turned $700 into $300 in just a matter of days.
The facts remain the same. The PS5 Pro at $700, and without a disc drive, is a scam. None of the improvements so far are worth anywhere near $250 more over a base PS5 without a disc drive. For $250 I could buy Intel's new Arc Gpu that blows the PS5 Pro out of the water.
Seems a lot of us see the value of getting essentially the base fidelity mode at performance frames.
The Pro is a whopping $700 without a disc drive and most of the time in unpatched games, you get performance improvements in the 30% range. Otherwise, you have to wait for the developers to be nice enough to throw you a bone and hopefully, they don't make things worse such as with Alan Wake 2, Jedi Survivor, Star Wars Outlaws, or Frontiers of Pandora.
It's 55-75% more expensive than the regular PS5 (at least it has a 2TB drive), but the performance is nowhere near that high. PSSR is mandatory to get your money's worth and not every dev use it. It also has its fair share of issues that would have made a straight 55-75% performance boost far more desirable. A higher resolution never looks worse than a lower one.
That's why it's getting dumped on. Bad value console, when consoles' strongest points are their value.
Wait until you learn about GPU and CPU gains between between new versions.
Agreed
@@gothpunkboy89Irrelevant. This is a console that comes out 4 years after the original. Imagine if the 5070 is only 45% faster than the 3070 but cost $800. That’s the kind of disappointment the Pro is.
@@oktusprime3637 Actually very relevant. A 3070 is about 40% improvement over a 2070.
@@gothpunkboy89 the 3070 was the same MSRP as the 2080 lol it's not at all comparable.
For all the people who said the pro isn’t worth it. Nobody listened lol i bought it and am happy i get better performance than base blurryS5 and 600$stripperglitter box full RDNA2🤪 we got RDNA2,3,and 4 bruh!🤣 can’t wait to play gta 6 on a real next get machine.😂
@@Cedjrthegamer 🤡
@ 🤡 is what you are going to see when you buy gta6 on anything other than a pro. And if you play pc you wont see anything 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Wow the cringe
@@heroicsquirrel3195 yes its so cringe to play gta6 at its best quality or at all for that matter because PC isn’t getting it until 60 series cards come out but by then ps6 will be out 🤣
@@heroicsquirrel3195 i rather be cringe than play on a system that can’t play gta6 at its best or at all. Pro for the win all day RDNA 2,3,anddddd 4 🤣🤣🤣🤣 for 700$ 🤪thats too expensive derrr🤪 even though the stipperglitter is 600$ and 4090 is 1600$🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
FlopStation 5 Pro 😂
Imagine following DF but still being stupid enough to make that comment
@@basedplantsFlopStation 5 Pro with bespoke pisser upscaling 👌
Cope
@@basedplantsFlopStation 5 Pro with bespoke pisser upscaling. 👌
Tflops is not gonna save a developer from bad programming, you can not run silent hill 2 on a 4090 at 4k 60 fps. We need to start holding devs to the fire, they need to slow down and optimize their games. We keep buying unoptimized games that take years to optimize. Why is it that guerilla makes the best looking games of all gaming, but they don't use ray tracing , they don't even use pssr. They have become so good at optimizing their visuals/performance.
@@leon45sant because the traditional shadow maps and lighting effects were already extremely good. Look at any last gen games like rdr2 and tlou2 that didn’t use real time ray tracing. Sure, ray tracing is definitely needed for certain scenarios like instances with a lot of dynamics, but the majority of the real time ray tracing is a huge waste of performance. If over used, the visual fidelity falls apart due to having to make cut backs which Lumen in UE5 perfectly demonstrates. Lumen makes all the lighting look super grainy and blurry which completely ruins the overall image of the game.
So it's not a 4070
Nope its close to a 4070.
@@ArielCleirigh Yes, it's very close, just like PS5-Pro is very close to the non-Pro...
@@lucaboss4491you know nothing
@@mitsuhh The donkeys were flying...
Omg Digital Foundry get off Sony's dick about PS5 pro...stop making these countless nit picking videos.Mark Cerny already came out and stepped up to the plate with a full explanation(as if he had to) of the PS5 pro design....now get a life & move on !!!
You do realise this is the clips channel....
@@mikeuk666 he trying to be relevant 😂
mark cenry said it a mix of Rdna 2.5 it upto the lazy devs they realising games only 80% complete & we paying for these games
Still runs on Zen 2, they should have done Zen 3 with 3D Cache to really leverage the power of the new GPU
Cerny explained why they didn't do it.
@@aceofspades001 Having and explanation of why they didn't do it doesn't change the fact that they should have done it, they capped the knees of the upgraded GPU keeping the same CPU/Clock
@@AstraMilitarumFodder apparently it would be a huge waste of resources to get ps4 and ps5 games to be compatible with a console that would probably be 1000$ that nobody would buy
Or just increased the clocks more.
It would have been a new-gen console (PS6), not a MID-GEN refresh (PS5 is in the name). You probably understand the concepts.
It means leaks are BS lol
Richard said its a 4070 and it literally started some of the worst misinformation about this console.
Are they gonna come out and admit they messed up? 😂
Care to clarify? I really have no idea what you're referring to. The +45% performance uplift has been rumored for a long time. A 4070 roughly matches that, compared to the GPU in base PS5.
@@ScyrousFXThe Pro was always stated as having "up to a 45%" uplift over the PS5. Whenever you see "up to" in a sales pitch, then it's always being used as a marketing ploy to try and fool the guilible into thinking the product is far better and more capable than it actually is. In reality, it'll highly likely never reach that level. That 45% is it's theoretical uppermost limit. A game would have to be finely tuned and optimised to near perfection and also be capable of fully utilising every single last drop of performance from out of the PS5 Pro's GPU in order to achieve that. Which let's face it!! It'll never happen.
It's always the average uplift and not the top most uplift, which is the decerning and most important factor of a GPU. As it's that average uplift that you will most commonly and typically witness in games. And the Pro's average uplift over the PS5, is now looking to be somewhere in the region of around 25-33% (likely 30%).
BTW, a 4070 also pumps out around 55% more performance than a PS5 GPU on average. The PS5 Pro was never going to reach it's level of performance. Rich even originally stated that the 4070 would still be more powerful and would be pumping out around 10-15% more performance than the PS5 Pro in most games. And bear in mind, that figure was entirely based on his original misguided assumption that the Pro would always be getting a 45% uplift over the PS5....Which it isn't !!!
Instead, the Pro performance is now looking like it's far closer to that of a 3070, rather than a 4070.
And yes, it is about time that Rich came clean and admitted that he was completely wrong with his original assumption of the Pro being comparable to a 4070 on PC. Especially when time and time again it's now being shown in thier own tests, that a 4070 is pumping out around 20-25% more frames than the Pro is, on average.
This whole thing got so out of control that people really thought the PS5 Pro could beat an entry level PC. This is why the console world stays in the console world and the PC world stays in the PC world. It got so bad that Cerny had to come out and simply say what we all had being saying all along - the PS5 Pro is simply a refreshed version of the PS5 base with a stronger GPU, that's it. And, PSSR is a plus and just a lite version that it can only be utilized in specific targeted areas. I was hoping the Pro's new APU had an equal amount of power in the CPU and not just the GPU and priced properly as I didnt care for PSSR at all. That is why I didn't invest into the PS5 Pro and was very disappointed with it and the price. I wanted to return to the console world with the PS5 Pro because it was a great console but instead I opted out for the refreshed PS5 Slim Digital for $299, which is powerful enough, very stable, slick, small, elegant, and does the job well to play all forward PS4/PS5 games. If I want power, I'll hop on my high end PC. But for now, the refreshed PS5 Slim Digital will do and I'll wait for the PS6 Pro.
I hope Sony learned a valuable lesson to never market the PlayStation like a PC again but keep it in the console realm. What a disappointment the PS5 Pro is and could not do what its younger brother the PS4 Pro did for Playstation which was revolutionize the PlayStation. And this is why Sony equally could not convert PS4 owners to the PS5 because that is how well the PS4 was built being the height of PlayStation already. Sometimes loyal fans are the worst to help companies grow that is why you need to only be a fan of your wallet and if companies want your money, then they better make great products and price them properly.
What? Ps5 pro destroys an entry level pc
Pretty sure everyone knew the pro is just the ps5 with a faster gpu. How did Sony market it like a pc?
Lost interest in this tripe
Keep on clicking on these videos, then
@ checkmate
Don't watch it then 😂
@@ashleydelaney6471 I didn’t
@@MikeJJJemptybladderyet you’re here commenting. Doesn’t look like a lack of interest.
Flopstation not so pro
Oli sonys ps5 pro agent.
You people watch the ps5pro show, how Sony tried to explain the ps5pro I mean Mark Cerny couldn't even take his eyes off the teleprompter, the ps5pro is garbage and the only people that like it are the ones that got it for free
That's cap 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 the most clueless comment I've seen today
The PS5 Pro is pretty darn nice for “garage”. What an ignorant comment.
I have an Xbox and a PS5 Pro, yet I never thought some people could be soooo jelly. Just buy it man. The hate and jealously just isn’t worth the toll it’s taking on your heart ❤. Take out a payday loan lmao
Don't like it, don't get it. Move on, grow up. Nothing is that black or white.
People need to learn to debate/discuss. Nothing is either the best thing ever, or the worst garbage ever. You sound like Trump... pretty much a toddlers with a tantrum. How did you drew that conclusion?
Yep sold my PS5 disk version base with 4 games and got the pro for $130 bucks with the disk attachment but, to be honestly I can barely see the upgrade. Not worth the full retail price unless you never owned a PS5 but, why spend the extra money when you can buy the base fat one for under $300 bucks on eBay.
PS6 will come out, be a shit console and DF will try to defend sony in every way possible, while PC just fucks off into the sun lol
How does it feel to be so insecure that you feel the need to make such pointless comments? Is this your form of therapy? If so you really should look up healthier alternatives. Like going outside and interacting with people.
@gothpunkboy89 its not my fault you decided to waste money on a peon station and get peasant levels of performance. Blame yourself
Well, PC is getting extremely expensive. I for one not buying another gpu over 1500 bucks ever again. Going back to console i can see some of the visual downgrades but, after 30 mins or so doesn't bother me.
@mosthated8848 if you are a console peasant thinking you need 3k dollars to make a good PC
@@felps_duprat But it isn't peasant level performance. You need high end cards to play games at 4k. The fact most people's display is still 1080p kind of says a lot.
Mark Cerny's "lectures" and "appearances" in these hour-long explanatory and instructional videos and never-ending fairy tales with this monotonous and ultra-affected sing-song in his squeaky voice about the PS5 Pro and its ALLEGED technical "achievements" and groundbreaking enhancements are one thing above all:
incredibly bizarre and scary!
I don't even believe half of it; "The Frankenstein thing" was quickly cobbled together within 1.5 years and is one of the biggest scams in the history of the games industry.
PLAYS BEST ON SUPERIOR PS5 PRO!!!!!!! MEGA L FOR THE QUEERBOX SERIES X FAGQUEERS!!!!!!
😂😂😂😂
Whatever makes u feel less buyers remorse is fine with me
*me happily playing switch games on a 720p screen, 30fps while people like king of consoles scream at each other
@martinflores7354 assuming this is not a 10 years old kid
My ZX Spectrum is better than your C64