I went from a 2011 Ducati Monster 796 with the single sided swing arm to a Yamaha MT07 and I can tell that the single sided swing arm is awesome in every way and sooo much easier to work on and do maintenance
But it is has to be made heavier than a twin side arm because it is an inherently weaker structure. Also the eccentric for the chain adjuster needs to be removed and cleaned/lubricated frequently as they are prone to seize into the swing arm.
1000% true... for maintenance the sssa is just better... period. Slack adjustment is trivial, I can change out a chain and sprocket in about the time it takes to get the wheel off and on a dssa bike... and unmount/remount a wheel in half the time it takes with a dssa. When I first got the Ducat I bought a "quickchange carrier" for my sprocket to make it quicker to change sprocket/chain... but it's actually SLOWER because it's 6 bolts instead of just one (big one) with the normal carrier, so I switched back. If you're looking for THE ULTIMATE in rigidity then the DSSA is the best... but you better be a pro because if you aren't then you're making your life difficult for a few percent increase that you'll never feel or take advantage of.
@@jongreen9113 I have removed the eccentric once in 70,000 miles on my Multi (at about 55,000 miles)... and there was some dirt in there but not as much as I'd expected (and I've probably ridden 10,000 miles of dirt roads on that bike). Never had a problem adjusting it. It will increase unsprung weight because the casting is heavier... but again... unless you're a pro you will never notice it (a lot of that weight is very near the pivot where it doesn't add much actual inertia... since it's a lever arm calculation)
I appreciate the way that this video simplifies the issue. I did this for the first time recently and was severely overthinking it and had massive chain lash. That's been corrected now.
I've always checked for uniform chain slack first... rear wheel rotated while looking for tight vs loose spots - then adjusted the chain... big variation means either wore spocket(s) or chain... small variation, just adjust while on the tight spot...
Dave what is the reason behind sticking something in between the sprocket and chain when tightening the swingarm nut? + I had no idea there was loose and tougher parts on a chain. But it all makes sense now. Your videos are amazing and well explained. Love to see you at work, much respect!
On single side motorcycles it's easier when you uses a rear stand but you have to let 5 mm more of chain slack ( user manual indicates to adjust with the side stand on the floor , but the motorcycle weight makes the chain adjustment a pain in the ass) so it's better to use a rear stand and let the chain 5 mm loosen to compensate it when the rear wheel is on the ground. Do this adjustment on a Ducati is easier than on Triumph motorcycle, because the width of the adjuster nut.
Hi, I would like to ask if I have an irregularly tensioned chain on my motorcycle, which has a mileage of 1100km, is it possible to adjust it or does it mean that the chain is faulty, as the Benelli dialer wrote me back. The rear tensioners have to be in the same position so that the wheels are level or don't have to and is it possible to adjust the chain with them so that it has the same sag along the entire length of the chain? Thank you and greetings from the Czech Republic.
Thank you for your question. There are many ways to set chain tension correctly using Vernier calipers or other measuring devices. You can also measure from the swing arm pivot to the rear axle or simply measure the ampount of threads showing on both bolts that connect to the blocks.
Mr Moss - just trying to fully understand - the chain after adjustment on a double sided swing arm is just touching the underside of the swing arm at the slackest spot or should it just avoid it?
Perhaps, explain why you put the Allen Key between the chain/rear sprocket before tightening spindle ? I use laser tool, to maintain alignment, it amazes me the number of people who don't start with the sorting the basics first.
If you watch moto gp after a rear wheel change, that's how they do it. It's to get tension on the chain before tightening the main axel bolt. So things don't go slack after the axel nut is done up.
All that does is align the chain with the front sprocket, it doesn't mean your wheels are in line though, get a wheel alignment, it's much more important.
I would agree that front/rear wheel alignment is important, and is worthy of a separate article, but this one relates to chain adjustment. Sadly, often swing arm marks aren't totally accurate, and single sided arms not correctly serviced.
@@alanbrown5593 I mean it sort of ties into it though, you're never going to get an aligned chain and wheel (unless you're super lucky) My bike is pretty far off, I'd rather have a chain that wears a bit quicker, knowing my wheels are aligned. The swing arms marks are more of a baseline than anything.
Dave Williams, editor, replying here. My apologies for that misunderstanding. He was not riding with 5 psi in his tires. I should have edited that conversation better. He was talking to Dave about a 5 psi gain from the tire pressure he set in the pits and the pressure he came back with hot off the track.
I went from a 2011 Ducati Monster 796 with the single sided swing arm to a Yamaha MT07 and I can tell that the single sided swing arm is awesome in every way and sooo much easier to work on and do maintenance
But it is has to be made heavier than a twin side arm because it is an inherently weaker structure. Also the eccentric for the chain adjuster needs to be removed and cleaned/lubricated frequently as they are prone to seize into the swing arm.
@@jongreen9113 Also, interesting that their superbike is single side but their motogp bike is double (twin).
1000% true... for maintenance the sssa is just better... period. Slack adjustment is trivial, I can change out a chain and sprocket in about the time it takes to get the wheel off and on a dssa bike... and unmount/remount a wheel in half the time it takes with a dssa. When I first got the Ducat I bought a "quickchange carrier" for my sprocket to make it quicker to change sprocket/chain... but it's actually SLOWER because it's 6 bolts instead of just one (big one) with the normal carrier, so I switched back.
If you're looking for THE ULTIMATE in rigidity then the DSSA is the best... but you better be a pro because if you aren't then you're making your life difficult for a few percent increase that you'll never feel or take advantage of.
@@jongreen9113 I have removed the eccentric once in 70,000 miles on my Multi (at about 55,000 miles)... and there was some dirt in there but not as much as I'd expected (and I've probably ridden 10,000 miles of dirt roads on that bike).
Never had a problem adjusting it.
It will increase unsprung weight because the casting is heavier... but again... unless you're a pro you will never notice it (a lot of that weight is very near the pivot where it doesn't add much actual inertia... since it's a lever arm calculation)
@@jongreen9113 in the last 11 years I have never had a problem with the single sided swing arm and it doesn't weigh more than the regular swing arm
I appreciate the way that this video simplifies the issue. I did this for the first time recently and was severely overthinking it and had massive chain lash. That's been corrected now.
Had an 09 CB1000R and was my first single sided swingarm and absolutely loved the simplicity of chain adjustment.
I appreciate the skill and knowledge that Mr. Moss shows in these videos.
I very much appreciate you showing the whole process Dave, thank you! 😃👍❤🏍
I've always checked for uniform chain slack first... rear wheel rotated while looking for tight vs loose spots - then adjusted the chain... big variation means either wore spocket(s) or chain... small variation, just adjust while on the tight spot...
LOL, thanks for the SWINGarm reminder- it does need repeating ;-)
"Moss meters of torque" laughed out loud at that!
Dave what is the reason behind sticking something in between the sprocket and chain when tightening the swingarm nut? + I had no idea there was loose and tougher parts on a chain. But it all makes sense now. Your videos are amazing and well explained. Love to see you at work, much respect!
It forces the axle blocks against the bolt heads to make sure the axle is even and forward.
Moss Newton meters built in Tq wrench.. the man!
On single side motorcycles it's easier when you uses a rear stand but you have to let 5 mm more of chain slack ( user manual indicates to adjust with the side stand on the floor , but the motorcycle weight makes the chain adjustment a pain in the ass) so it's better to use a rear stand and let the chain 5 mm loosen to compensate it when the rear wheel is on the ground.
Do this adjustment on a Ducati is easier than on Triumph motorcycle, because the width of the adjuster nut.
Thanks, Dave! Going into the garage to tighten my 1199 Pani chain right now!
Moss Meters of Torque. It's funny and scary at the same time
Hi, I would like to ask if I have an irregularly tensioned chain on my motorcycle, which has a mileage of 1100km, is it possible to adjust it or does it mean that the chain is faulty, as the Benelli dialer wrote me back. The rear tensioners have to be in the same position so that the wheels are level or don't have to and is it possible to adjust the chain with them so that it has the same sag along the entire length of the chain? Thank you and greetings from the Czech Republic.
Thank you for your question. There are many ways to set chain tension correctly using Vernier calipers or other measuring devices. You can also measure from the swing arm pivot to the rear axle or simply measure the ampount of threads showing on both bolts that connect to the blocks.
Mr Moss - just trying to fully understand - the chain after adjustment on a double sided swing arm is just touching the underside of the swing arm at the slackest spot or should it just avoid it?
Hi Mark. The chain so just touch it without the top area of the chain moving. Thanks for your question!
Perhaps, explain why you put the Allen Key between the chain/rear sprocket before tightening spindle ?
I use laser tool, to maintain alignment, it amazes me the number of people who don't start with the sorting the basics first.
If you watch moto gp after a rear wheel change, that's how they do it. It's to get tension on the chain before tightening the main axel bolt. So things don't go slack after the axel nut is done up.
@@shadowred1980 That would be useful when I tighten the chain next time, thank's.
All that does is align the chain with the front sprocket, it doesn't mean your wheels are in line though, get a wheel alignment, it's much more important.
I would agree that front/rear wheel alignment is important, and is worthy of a separate article, but this one relates to chain adjustment.
Sadly, often swing arm marks aren't totally accurate, and single sided arms not correctly serviced.
@@alanbrown5593 I mean it sort of ties into it though, you're never going to get an aligned chain and wheel (unless you're super lucky)
My bike is pretty far off, I'd rather have a chain that wears a bit quicker, knowing my wheels are aligned. The swing arms marks are more of a baseline than anything.
Hi, do you tend to have a marginally looser chain setting when on the track due to the swingarm squating and unloading much more than say on the road.
I always run a slightly looser chain for both street and track as the street has the greatest variance in surface.
I've owned both, and prefer the single. Is there a consensus on which is better, or personal preference?
Consensus is single for ease of cleaning and tensioning.
Dave Moss
Thank you!!!!!
What, you guys can’t adjust your chains before you get to the track? Just sayin…
My dude rides in track and straight up asks if 5 psi is ok to ride?😂😂😂 WTF.
Dave Williams, editor, replying here. My apologies for that misunderstanding. He was not riding with 5 psi in his tires. I should have edited that conversation better. He was talking to Dave about a 5 psi gain from the tire pressure he set in the pits and the pressure he came back with hot off the track.
@@catalystreactionsbw That makes more sense 🤣
so thats how its done on an r6, THANK YOU SIR.