Nice vid. Collection of my thoughts: - I think when viewing this year in a vacuum (not ignoring records and stuff but not being able to say "now she has 3 gold medals etc.") Tara is higher up on the pecking order than Nafi. - Chebet's cross country as I understand counts as "out of stadia" and so can't be considered, but I would also have her in the lead for track. Separating out of stadia and track is going to be why Sifan Hassan never wins one of these for the rest of her career :( - I think the WA points system isn't ideal (which they implicitly acknowledge by occasionally updating it in light of recent statistics, which is the best they can do I suppose), but I especially think that, for events that were previously underdeveloped, the point allocations are very uneven. For this reason, I'll look at them but not usually take them as gospel. I feel like I'd need more evidence for Alison Dos Santos' 400mH season's best really being better than the 800m WR besides the points system saying so, especially given that Rai said he didn't execute most of his races this year and was in 45 shape (which I genuinely believe)
I think Tara is honestly another candidate that can just tie the others for 2nd. Thiam's heptathlons weren't to die for or anything compared to what the other women have done performance-wise, but they were still really freaking solid, especially given how delicate the heptathlon can be when it comes to anything above like 6700-6800 points. Ooh, you're right, I guess Chebet's XC win has to be omitted. I wonder how that would work then if she wins her category and is then considered for athlete of the year. Would a panel consider her XC win then? I guess they just stick within their original criteria to be consistent, but that would just feel so strange to just omit an entire world title when considering. Also yeah, I've generally considered the WA points system a little off here and there, but I do think the men's 400mh is genuinely *that* strong. It's always been a generally competitive event, especially with the way Edwin Moses revolutionized it, but the top 3 we have now are just on a different level given they occupy a comical amount of the top-50 all time marks.
I honestly would love to hear your thoughts on Chepn’getich’s world record and the allegations against it. I agree that Instagram commenters (among many others) lack the critical thinking skills to actually analyze this performance.
Re M&F Field AotY, would've liked both lists expanded to 6 (to match the number of M&F Track AotY Noms) to include Camryn Rogers & Arshad Nadeem to highlight their achievements this yr with both awards going to Mondo & Mahuchikh given their Euro Champs Golds, OLY Golds & WRs despite Yaroslava's surprise Silver @World Indoors which unfortunately prevented her 'perfect season' unlike Mondo who won World Indoors. Re Female Track AotY, Beatrice Chebet literally being the only T&F Athlete to win 2 Individual OLY Golds in Paris (5/10K beating Faith in the process) plus her massive 10K WR @Pre Classic & XC WC Gold at the start of the season should give her a slight edge for the Award, but the public vote suggests Faith & Tebogo are currently running away with it! Too many ppl seem to be misremembering or conflating Faith's much stronger '23 season when she did the WC 1500/5K Double & set 3 WRs (1500/Mile/5K) with her '24 season! Even as a Gabby fan & with both winning 1 Individual OLY Gold each, Keely should've had that Nom instead having had the stronger season by staying unbeaten in her primary 800m event while Gabby lost a couple of her 200m races. Keely also ran an impressive 1.54.61 NR moving her up the notorious W800m all-time list to #6 just behind Semenya's 1.54.25 & Quirot's 1.54.44. Re Male Track AotY, don't feel comfortable giving it to Jakob despite his OLY 5K Gold & impressive 3K WR as he literally failed to medal in his primary 1500m event @OLY! Happy with Grant winning it given his impressive unbeaten indoor season (10yr streak) culminating in another indoor WC 60mH Gold & WR and unbeaten outdoor 110mH season up to Paris resulting in OLY Gold, most sub 13s ever & 4th fastest time in history. Lost twice post OLY but at least he continued to race compared to other nominees who immediately shut their seasons down after Paris! Honourable mention to Sifan Hassan after her OLY Gold (Marathon), Bronze (5K) & Bronze (10K) Triple in Paris plus 4th place in the Tokyo Marathon earlier in the yr. Very curious as to what the '25 season looks like for a 32yr old Sifan i.e. more or less focus on the track seeing as she's won 3 of her first 4 Marathons while still winning medals on the track at the same time?!
@IiDHOPE Why not? Rai's competition for the track category wasn't as fierce, so it was a much easier decision to make. I also said that Syd basically ties Chebet for not just her category, but for even athlete of the year despite racing her main discipline 3 times.
@ You can’t say the men’s competition is not fierce when you have Grant Holloway who won the world indoor championships, set a new wr of 7.27 in the 60m, Olympic 110mh gold, and set the record for most sub 13s
@@IiDHOPE Not better than what Jakob or Rai did this year. Their peaks were notably higher than Grant's from a raw performance standpoint. Grant setting the record for most sub-13's has nothing to do with what he did this specific year.
@@RunnerBoi did either go undefeated and break their own record twice and defend their gold medal? dont get me wrong I thought they allhad a phenomenal season just sayin no comparison
wanyonyi better than benjamin . gold in paris . diamond league champion . 2 all time in 800m . ran four 1:41s this year ( absolutely crazy ) . world record in road mile ( won world championships end of last year ) .
Tebogo went through alot and still come back and won gold in th 200m ...and after Olympics he continued racing when everyone closed their season He ran 8 races for seven days straight at the olympics....and ran the fastest split of all 400m in the 400m and he is not a 400m runner he won two medals too Broke the 300m WB Lowered 400m PB
He did! I just think Jakob and Rai's were much more historical/impressive overall. Even though Jakob didn't go undefeated, his peaks were *obscenely* high which make me forgive a few of his losses fwiw.
Any chance we can convince you to do a video on Ruth Chepngetich’s marathon record? I’d really like to hear a better take than “she’s a nobody who took a lot of drugs.”
for mens there is one answer and nothing else is even close to correct. Like he is the first to hold the top 10 results in the modern era and seems to be able to beat his own world records anytime he wants to put in full effort.
I truly do believe that Sydney should be 2nd in the athlete of the year standing, but I don’t like how the reasoning is because she doesn’t race often. She’s only doing what her coach says for her to do to avoid injuries and to remain in absolute peak shape for when it matters most. Because without that, I truly believe we wouldn’t see half the world records she’s produced let alone in the championships that she does them in if it weren’t for her conservative approach to keep herself healthy. Aside from that whole she broke 2 world records and beat the 200m Olympic champion at her own game, it is important to note Chebet ended on of the most dominant undefeated streaks of any athlete in track and field history by beating the middle distance queen at her own game, was the only track and field athlete to leave Paris with 2 individual golds, and had a world record of her own. Thus more, her resume based upon who she beat and her own individual success is what makes her on top
This Chicago Marathon under by 2:10 by Ruth Chepngetich, sex gap is smaller than Never in history I'm a Biologist from Eafit University, I think this guy , know about record progression more than anyone else probably knows about women record progression being faster. And that Sex difference in human performance sources are bieased conceptions.
See, that's what I heard in a lot of interviews, but then there was this article I read about how her name is often mispronounced, and is said like "cham" as in champion instead, which left me a bit confused to say the least haha.
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@@Itsokay1990 I'm pretty sure I'm like one of the only Americans who think Sydney doesn't deserve athlete of the year lmao, what is this Euro-larp that makes you so comically bitter anytime an American athlete gets remotely complimented
@@WheeJones The reality is that some world records are better than other world records, and the points system is literally based on *times/marks* themselves, so idk what your point is.
It literally does not matter if they do not compete. Michael jordan retired for 2 years and everybody in the world knew he was still the best player in the world. It's about who is the best not who showed up to compete in the most pointless mediocre events that they would've won anyway. 😂😂😂
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Beatrice Chebet didn't even make the finals in her category, these selections are a joke lmao.
absolutely ridiculous.
Thank you for acknowledging Beatrice Chebet 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Shook that she’s not a finalist!!😢
Nice vid. Collection of my thoughts:
- I think when viewing this year in a vacuum (not ignoring records and stuff but not being able to say "now she has 3 gold medals etc.") Tara is higher up on the pecking order than Nafi.
- Chebet's cross country as I understand counts as "out of stadia" and so can't be considered, but I would also have her in the lead for track. Separating out of stadia and track is going to be why Sifan Hassan never wins one of these for the rest of her career :(
- I think the WA points system isn't ideal (which they implicitly acknowledge by occasionally updating it in light of recent statistics, which is the best they can do I suppose), but I especially think that, for events that were previously underdeveloped, the point allocations are very uneven. For this reason, I'll look at them but not usually take them as gospel. I feel like I'd need more evidence for Alison Dos Santos' 400mH season's best really being better than the 800m WR besides the points system saying so, especially given that Rai said he didn't execute most of his races this year and was in 45 shape (which I genuinely believe)
I think Tara is honestly another candidate that can just tie the others for 2nd. Thiam's heptathlons weren't to die for or anything compared to what the other women have done performance-wise, but they were still really freaking solid, especially given how delicate the heptathlon can be when it comes to anything above like 6700-6800 points.
Ooh, you're right, I guess Chebet's XC win has to be omitted. I wonder how that would work then if she wins her category and is then considered for athlete of the year. Would a panel consider her XC win then? I guess they just stick within their original criteria to be consistent, but that would just feel so strange to just omit an entire world title when considering.
Also yeah, I've generally considered the WA points system a little off here and there, but I do think the men's 400mh is genuinely *that* strong. It's always been a generally competitive event, especially with the way Edwin Moses revolutionized it, but the top 3 we have now are just on a different level given they occupy a comical amount of the top-50 all time marks.
@@RunnerBoi Returning to this after finding out Beatrice Chebet didn't even make the top 2 of her category 😭 this shit is busted
I honestly would love to hear your thoughts on Chepn’getich’s world record and the allegations against it. I agree that Instagram commenters (among many others) lack the critical thinking skills to actually analyze this performance.
All these historical record breaking races put into perspective how much of a higher plane Bolt was in
Lowk I’ve gotta say grant Holloway is male track athlete of the year for me
Great pick
honestly yeah he's the best pick imo
- 60mh world record
- indoor wc gold
- olympic gold
- nearly undefeated season
- most sub 13's ever
@@sharkwave1661 yes he was so impressive and so consistent, would love to see him take another stab at the world record next season
@@sharkwave1661 and over 10 year winning streak in the indoor 60m still alife
@@wisforwinner he needs a race at altitude
Re M&F Field AotY, would've liked both lists expanded to 6 (to match the number of M&F Track AotY Noms) to include Camryn Rogers & Arshad Nadeem to highlight their achievements this yr with both awards going to Mondo & Mahuchikh given their Euro Champs Golds, OLY Golds & WRs despite Yaroslava's surprise Silver @World Indoors which unfortunately prevented her 'perfect season' unlike Mondo who won World Indoors.
Re Female Track AotY, Beatrice Chebet literally being the only T&F Athlete to win 2 Individual OLY Golds in Paris (5/10K beating Faith in the process) plus her massive 10K WR @Pre Classic & XC WC Gold at the start of the season should give her a slight edge for the Award, but the public vote suggests Faith & Tebogo are currently running away with it! Too many ppl seem to be misremembering or conflating Faith's much stronger '23 season when she did the WC 1500/5K Double & set 3 WRs (1500/Mile/5K) with her '24 season!
Even as a Gabby fan & with both winning 1 Individual OLY Gold each, Keely should've had that Nom instead having had the stronger season by staying unbeaten in her primary 800m event while Gabby lost a couple of her 200m races. Keely also ran an impressive 1.54.61 NR moving her up the notorious W800m all-time list to #6 just behind Semenya's 1.54.25 & Quirot's 1.54.44.
Re Male Track AotY, don't feel comfortable giving it to Jakob despite his OLY 5K Gold & impressive 3K WR as he literally failed to medal in his primary 1500m event @OLY! Happy with Grant winning it given his impressive unbeaten indoor season (10yr streak) culminating in another indoor WC 60mH Gold & WR and unbeaten outdoor 110mH season up to Paris resulting in OLY Gold, most sub 13s ever & 4th fastest time in history. Lost twice post OLY but at least he continued to race compared to other nominees who immediately shut their seasons down after Paris!
Honourable mention to Sifan Hassan after her OLY Gold (Marathon), Bronze (5K) & Bronze (10K) Triple in Paris plus 4th place in the Tokyo Marathon earlier in the yr. Very curious as to what the '25 season looks like for a 32yr old Sifan i.e. more or less focus on the track seeing as she's won 3 of her first 4 Marathons while still winning medals on the track at the same time?!
3:32 I'm embarrassed I recognized the Juicy (by Doja Cat) instrumental🤣
You can’t use the barely raced argument against Sydney, but turn around and reward Rai for it
@IiDHOPE Why not? Rai's competition for the track category wasn't as fierce, so it was a much easier decision to make. I also said that Syd basically ties Chebet for not just her category, but for even athlete of the year despite racing her main discipline 3 times.
@ You can’t say the men’s competition is not fierce when you have Grant Holloway who won the world indoor championships, set a new wr of 7.27 in the 60m, Olympic 110mh gold, and set the record for most sub 13s
@@RunnerBoi Because what she did was far more dominant than anyone else in any other sport besides duplantis... Can we please be serious 😂😂😂
@@IiDHOPE Not better than what Jakob or Rai did this year. Their peaks were notably higher than Grant's from a raw performance standpoint. Grant setting the record for most sub-13's has nothing to do with what he did this specific year.
@@RunnerBoi did either go undefeated and break their own record twice and defend their gold medal? dont get me wrong I thought they allhad a phenomenal season just sayin no comparison
9:55 yes, that's for sure
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YASSEEN!!!!! Remember me when ur Olympic champ
wanyonyi better than benjamin
. gold in paris
. diamond league champion
. 2 all time in 800m
. ran four 1:41s this year ( absolutely crazy )
. world record in road mile ( won world championships end of last year )
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Tebogo went through alot and still come back and won gold in th 200m
...and after Olympics he continued racing when everyone closed their season
He ran 8 races for seven days straight at the olympics....and ran the fastest split of all 400m in the 400m and he is not a 400m runner he won two medals too
Broke the 300m WB
Lowered 400m PB
Rai Benjamin; Yaroslav Mahouchin; Armando Duplantis; Sydney McLaughlin-Levrone.
What about Grant Holloway? He had such an impressive season.
He did! I just think Jakob and Rai's were much more historical/impressive overall. Even though Jakob didn't go undefeated, his peaks were *obscenely* high which make me forgive a few of his losses fwiw.
12:38 actually even a point more than Kipchoge's 1:59 Challenge
Any chance we can convince you to do a video on Ruth Chepngetich’s marathon record? I’d really like to hear a better take than “she’s a nobody who took a lot of drugs.”
make a video on the rise of Justyn Knight
use your manners
for mens there is one answer and nothing else is even close to correct. Like he is the first to hold the top 10 results in the modern era and seems to be able to beat his own world records anytime he wants to put in full effort.
I truly do believe that Sydney should be 2nd in the athlete of the year standing, but I don’t like how the reasoning is because she doesn’t race often. She’s only doing what her coach says for her to do to avoid injuries and to remain in absolute peak shape for when it matters most. Because without that, I truly believe we wouldn’t see half the world records she’s produced let alone in the championships that she does them in if it weren’t for her conservative approach to keep herself healthy. Aside from that whole she broke 2 world records and beat the 200m Olympic champion at her own game, it is important to note Chebet ended on of the most dominant undefeated streaks of any athlete in track and field history by beating the middle distance queen at her own game, was the only track and field athlete to leave Paris with 2 individual golds, and had a world record of her own. Thus more, her resume based upon who she beat and her own individual success is what makes her on top
3:30 NO KEELY HODGKINSON 😶
Tebogo?
Chebet,Kipyegon,Maclauglin,Hodgkinson,Paulino,Kennedy,Duplantis and Mahuchick never lost in 2024, i agree with Chebet,Duplantis selection
Not sure what Ingebrigtsktskngfrrrren is doing here, but otherwise a very informative and nice video.
This Chicago Marathon under by 2:10 by Ruth Chepngetich, sex gap is smaller than Never in history
I'm a Biologist from Eafit University, I think this guy , know about record progression more than anyone else probably knows about women record progression being faster. And that Sex difference in human performance sources are bieased conceptions.
nafi thiam is like nAfi tïam
See, that's what I heard in a lot of interviews, but then there was this article I read about how her name is often mispronounced, and is said like "cham" as in champion instead, which left me a bit confused to say the least haha.
My man why do you keep on deleting my comments?
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Hey look at you! You''re no longer only highlighting USA athletes. Good for you.
NVM listened to the whole video, you still are a shill.
@@Itsokay1990 I'm pretty sure I'm like one of the only Americans who think Sydney doesn't deserve athlete of the year lmao, what is this Euro-larp that makes you so comically bitter anytime an American athlete gets remotely complimented
World athletics is a big joke 😃
Wanyonyi
7:20 Points are based on a subjective system, only the actual times matter
@@WheeJones The reality is that some world records are better than other world records, and the points system is literally based on *times/marks* themselves, so idk what your point is.
100% agree on Sydney. She never competes and that has to be taken into account.
It literally does not matter if they do not compete. Michael jordan retired for 2 years and everybody in the world knew he was still the best player in the world.
It's about who is the best not who showed up to compete in the most pointless mediocre events that they would've won anyway. 😂😂😂
Nah........gotta be Syd.
Explain.
@@dontaskme1093 No
You can't compare Syd with chebet she as accomplished alot than syd