One thing I really enjoy about my PA 2x prism is that in low light shooting I never have to worry about my weapon light washing out an illuminated dot or reticle on a led or holo sight. When I turn my light on the black reticle shows up very nicely. Not saying prisms with etched reticles are the end all be all but thats a benefit I've come to appreciate
just got the 3x for a 14.5" AR build. 61 years old, and was hitting playing cards at 200 yards without my glasses. Very pleased, as I'm usually going with 7x LER to 24x ffp...or a red dot at 100 yards max. My son's a Marine, has one on an AR as well and likes it.
@@mghegotagun do you have a variable power scope to compare? The 3x PA prism would work for me. We have different eyes, rifles and skills..Some can do it with irons, some cant do it with 12x.
@@paddlesailnitro1 no. im making my first optics purchases. I was going to use a red dot with a type of ACSS reticle/magnifier combo on a 556 firearm capable of making certain ~62 grain rounds terminally effective out to about 300 yards.
@@mghegotagun I'm really liking the 3x Primary Arms prism, and for me, that would work. It's also decent at quick acquisition imo, both eyes open and peripheral both sides of magnified field of vision. I bought their 2.5x after trying a red dot/magnifier combo which didnt work out for me. The 2.5 is nice out to 150 for me, a bit shaky shooting 12" steel at 200, and my 9 inch steel st 320 was out if the question...so I broke out the .308 RPR with the 24x ffp Vortex and got bored lol. Just realize that going bigger on fixed magnification will be less ideal at closer range and slow down aquisition. I really like the PA 3x. I'm sure if it didn't work out, you could exchange it for bigger ir smaller.
LOVE this retical. Primary Arms tweaked it to perfection. I wear glasses with a really strong prescription & have no issues at all with these optics once adjusted. WELL DONE PA!
Just got my PA 3X ACSS prism a month ago. I absolutely love it. That paired with the an RMR on a Arisaka Offset Optic Mount it’s way better than anything I ever had in Marines. Could easily hit a silhouette target at 400 yards firing every 2 to 3 seconds off my range bag. The BDC is spot on.
@ dloverland - Re: "That paired with the an RMR on a Arisaka Offset Optic Mount it’s way better than anything I ever had in Marines." Dmitri M. at PA, the designer of the amazing ACSS reticles, really did his homework in designing that thing. He interviewed civilians, military, all kinds of shooters. He was particularly interested in finding out the primary causes for missed shots at medium/long range, and what he discovered was (1) improper range determination and (2) difficulty with wind. He also wanted a BDC-based system which eliminated as much math as possible, and allowed the user to get and stay on target faster and also more-accurately. He borrowed successful features from previous designs where possible, including the old Soviet PSO-1 scopes and the Trijicon ACOG, but also created new features of his own. ACOGs are legendary, and with good reason, but even Trijicon couldn't come up with a design to beat the ACSS, so they licensed it from PA instead. As an added bonus, time permitting, Dmitri sometimes (or his colleagues) will work with users of unusual loads to dope them out for the best use of their reticle designs. There are a lot of very good optics firms in business these days, and competition for the customer's business is fierce, but PA has really set themselves apart. Not even Nightforce, U.S. Optics, Zeiss, Leupold, S&B, etc. offer anything as good as the ACSS.
@@steffeness1 - Now that Trijicon has stopped making ACOGs with the ACSS, I wish Primary Arms would finally get off the mark and make a 4x fixed power optic. At the time, I think they stayed out of that particular niche in deference to Trijicon's product line.... probably a non-compete agreement.
Thats the luckiest kid ever. I wish I could've been able to shoot full auto rifles when I was that young. That's awesome though. Thanks for the helpful info as well I was actually just trying to decide between these optics here lately and still haven't decided but the info does help alot. Thank you Mrgunsngear for all the good information in your videos we all really do appreciate it.
Thank you for the great videos that you post. Before I purchase ANY equipment, sights, scopes, red dots, firearms and body armor I ALWAYS check your channel first. I will then make comparisons with other channels. However, your vids are usually the final "decisionmaker." You are still serving your country by providing honest assessments of gear. Take it from an old school Recondo (Class 5-81) you rock!! Stay safe, Brother!
Just took the 1x out on my .300 Blackout. It's freaking awesome! The eye relief is generous enough that I mounted it in front of my Magpul MBUS rear sight. I've seen a lot of comments that you can't see the illumination in bright daylight but that's not true. I live in the Nevada desert and on the high setting in bright sunlight it is easily visible unless you are looking directly into the sun.
I just bought the 3x prism for my AK in 7.62x39 about 2 months age in august(hottest month of the year). the optic is fantastic!!! crystal clear, super bright reticle. Now, I live in FL and It gets 100 degrees out then rains at 3pm the humidity is unmatched here. I had my AC ice cooled in the car one time (the gun and optic were too) and I was worried it would fog up, and it never did not even a little. I plan to buy many more PA products in the future. I'm thinking the 5x prism in 5.56
I have nothing but good things to say about Primary Arms, own a few of there products and buy from there website often. If something is wrong, they will fix it or give you a replacement, and there shipping is pretty dang quick
Just got a cyclops (green) for my BCM 16” upper with FSB. Replaced my holosun acss red dot. Red dot “feels” faster but the clarity of the optic is worth the short learning curve. With the factory base its a co-witness and no the front site doesn’t block it...unless you try and focus on it.
Great run down as always. I purchased a PA 1-6FFP after watching your review. I find all your details 100% accurate on it, got exactly what I expected.
If it's going to be used inside 300 yards go for the 3x. I have the previous generation and love it. I also have a 3x acog. Besides the weight advantage I actually prefer the PA.
I've been watching the M16A4 20" DMR uppers going in and out of stock at Ohio Ordinance Works and since I won't be able to afford one of those AND an ACOG, I was looking at the PA prisms instead. Probably going to grab the 5x and stick a small reflex sight up top for close range.
Got one of the 1x from their website, loved it. Picking up another one second hand tomorrow as well. Replacing my red dots from astigmatism. Waiting for the 2x to come back in stock!
Yes. You can also try going with smaller size and simpler red dot articles. I have mild astigmatism and have noticed holo type sights have more bloom than tube style, and I prefer 2MOA dots. The primary arms 30mm red dot is actually a favorite of mine.
Definitely considering the 5x for my 14.5 I'm building. These are making LPVO pointless as I always run an offset anyways and keep the magnification up.
Much obliged, my friend. This was the exact info I needed and had looked for on other channels, but had not been able to find. You just saved me from likely spending money I cannot afford to lose on optics that would not have served my needs. These Primary Arms units appear to fit my needs as well as possible. I'm 70, with astigmatisms in both eyes, and find that red/green dots and holographic sights don't work for me as primary sights. I can still use a tiny, light weight pistol type sight as a backup to my main sighting system, as the little sparkling glob I see still paints a rapidly acquired, close range target well enough. I do prefer the tiny dot sight to be mounted on the gun, at 45 degrees to the right, rather connected to the primary sight. That way, if my primary sight, or its mounting system fails or is damaged, the little backup sight is still on target. Iron sights on long guns have become completely useless to me. I already knew about the importance of an etched reticle, but didn't realize how important a diopter adjustment ring would be. Thanks, again!
I got jacked up vision and dont wear glasses, at all for simply put I dont want to have another "object" to rely on to function and I have zero problems with the 5x prism, love it, oh and I put a GDI(global defense industry) quick detach mount, on and off stays zero within a half min
love your older videos as a ref. I just recently got into red dots on my pistols and rifles. SURPRISE! found I have astigmitism. see a clump of grapes instead of a crisp dot. Now I am going to prism optics. this video helped me decide on the 2.5 PA. Pistols are another issue..
Thank you for this video!! Just started my 1st mid-to-long range 5.56 upper receiver build and have been sweating the optic choices. Not any more! Thanks again! 💙
I have my slx 3x mounted to an AK Master mount, the rear biased one. The MM sits only a couple millimeters above the dust cover and allows you to mount the prism base directly to the mount without any of the additional mounting plates included. Great setup.
Was in Bass Pro Shops today looking at their inventory really looking to see if they had Primary Arms which they don't. They do have a relatively new prism optic. Burris RT-3. A 3x prism that's small like the 1x Primary in this video. Size and weight is very impressive, glass is clear, eye focus works good for bad vision. As Mrguns was saying the reticle looks small in it though, but it may not be any smaller than the circle in the Primary. I haven't been able to side by side them.
I had a 5x ACSS at one point and regretted getting rid of it. Finally picked up another ACSS but a 3x instead of a 5x. Still definitely worth it and not getting rid of this one. They're keepers for sure, and even a 3x could get you out to 500 yards if you really tried. Unbeatable value really.
Per the usual, excellent content, and great video overall. We appreciate you taking the time to gather this data and share it with us! Thanks again Mr. GnG!
I just bought the 5x and love it for my SPR.. only complaints are eye relief (note I'm using a fixed A2 stock) and the illumination dial is ridiculously hard to turn. I believe it takes ACOG mounts though, and I'll probably be trying an American Defense Mfg mount to bring it back about two inches. For me, the fixed power makes so much more sense for a platform that wont be shooting further than 800 meters. Less moving parts and weight than similar LPVOs or traditional scopes, less money than an ACOG with superior eye relief. An offset red dot will be a perfect addition to the 5x.
For 0 - 300m I do love the Cyclops. But I don't really understand the concept of the 2x prisms. Not really enough magnification to make a practical difference in my opinion. I'd rather go with a 3x, which I personally consider a jack of all trades style optic, to super impose the reticle for CQB and still has enough magnification to see at moderate distances for identification and improved precision capabilities.
@ The Irishman - The ACSS features appear sort of small at 2x, but that's the price of that power level. I'm speculating, but some shooters like 1.5-2x because it offers a bigger field of view and allows one to use a prism almost like a red-dot or reflex sight. Back in the 1970s, Steyr of Austria offered their AUG bull-pup carbine for the first time, with a then-innovative permanently-attached 1.5xpower magnified optic. For my part, I wish PA and Dmitri - the designer of the ACSS line - would offer a 3.5 or 4x like an ACOG, but I think since PA licenses some of their ACSS designs to Trijicon, PA may have agreed to leave that power range alone as part of the deal. I don't know that, but it is conspicuous that their prism optics don't appear in either of those magnifications. A 3.5x would be just right, IMO. The 3x is nice, and so is the 5x (though it is heavy, it is very accurate), but the sweet spot would be 3.5-4x.
Hey Mike, why don't you like the lens covers for the prism optics, and what do you use to protect the lens if you don't use the lens covers? Thank you.
In my case: I have three AR’s. One with an LPVO on a 16” barrel, one is a pistol with a micro red dot. SO, my third is a 16” barrel and I have been looking at the 1x green cyclops and the 2x....which would you pick if you could only choose one! I am HEAVILY leaning towards the green 1x cyclops
Debating over the 2X & 3x. I'm older, eyes are getting tired. I will be using this to hopefully shoot anything from steel challenge (15 yards and more), to some longer distance (100-200 yards). The kicker - this is with a Tippman .22LR. I know the BDC won't align, but for target acquisition, speed, LR shooting, which do you feel would be best suited - 2X or 3X?
You are so lucky to have access to ammo right now. Here in Phoenix 9mm and 5.56 is so scarce I just horde what I can get and don’t go shoot right now. As always, thank you so much for your straight talk reviews of equipment and comparisons. You make is so much easier to decide which brands to buy.
@@derek3154 I agree. I bought the 5.56 3x prism used and have it worn on a Yugoslavian AK. It has pretty good glass, wide FOV, and I have enjoyed it, in all its Chinesium glory.
If you've got contacts at Primary Arms, tell them to make a replacement for the top rail on these that is an RMR plate instead of a Pic rail. The rail, plus the rail mount, plus the body of an RMR raise it up too high to get any sort of cheek or chin weld while piggybacked on the 5x Prism. A direct mount would be tits.
Yep I'm one of those that even messing with the diopter on the chevron is useless on the 1x Prism scope especially when i turn on the reticle it washes out more.
Good shit!!!! I got the 3x, loved it. Ordered the green cyclops 1x, might get the 5x as well...FU Astigmatism!!!. 3x is super crisp, was worried about the 1x but you set me straight and now I’m not worried about it🇺🇸😎
@@bigcheese9096 so...the reticle is pretty small tbh. Your basically using the donut of death to make shots as the tiny chevron is unusable. Eye relief is generous and the illumination is way bright when needed. I set this as my primary CQB sight, I like it. But I do wish the reticle was a bit larger so you can use the chevron. The 3x comparably has a very big, clear and usable reticle and chevron where you can easily make pin point shots at 50yds. Hope this helps man, Trump2020🇺🇸
@@derek3154 thank you, really appreciate it. Might buy the 3x for one or my ARs down the road. But gonna pass on it for my .458 socom. Gonna find something with a bigger reticle #KAG Trump2020
I have 2 of the p.a. slx 3x genIII. I am sure i have sent too many pics of em already. I also have a p.a. acss 6x32 scope. I probably sent pics of it as well... LOVE all 3. I want the 5x green/red... i have a vortex diamondback 4-12x40 on my rebuilt lr 308. Good group with it today. Love the Faxon big gunner bbls!!!
Thank you, I just ordered two of the 1x prism with green reticle using your link! $215.99 each with a veteran discount. These will go on two of my AKs and I can give one of my red reticle versions to my son.
@@ronburton7611 If you open up the comments at this link, he has all the links to the optics business.facebook.com/Mrgunsngear/videos/2778865895703286/?v=2778865895703286
Doesn't seem to be discontinued. They have it in stock right now for $200. Only reason I haven't ordered that one is because it only has a 1yr warranty.
I have both the 1X and 2X prisms from PA. (Also the 2.5X but that's been retired). I don't have the 3X or 5X. The 1X is a good optic in the price range but the 2X is a great piece comparable to optics at twice the price. I got in on the second round of preorders. Unfortunately it's unobtanium right now.
@@markd7762 Well I think Garand Thumb summed it up perfectly. It's practically as fast as a 1X once you get your brain calibrated to it. For me at least, that only took a few minutes of dry fire practice.
It's bothered me for awhile now but why is the community shifting to LVPO's with red dot's instead of Prism optics with red dots? It seems there are more advantages to the Prism over the LVPO other than magnification availability.
Mr GnG flexing on us with his M240, perfect vision and reliable 7.62 mags again I see
You may see... but not as good as him
And disposable ammo supply
I still remember the sn of my 240s from all the sensitive items inventories
i'd be happy with the perfect vision
my vision was never 20/20, but the years have not been kind
I’m glad I’m not the only one who saw the impossible 7.62 mag
One thing I really enjoy about my PA 2x prism is that in low light shooting I never have to worry about my weapon light washing out an illuminated dot or reticle on a led or holo sight. When I turn my light on the black reticle shows up very nicely. Not saying prisms with etched reticles are the end all be all but thats a benefit I've come to appreciate
just got the 3x for a 14.5" AR build. 61 years old, and was hitting playing cards at 200 yards without my glasses. Very pleased, as I'm usually going with 7x LER to 24x ffp...or a red dot at 100 yards max. My son's a Marine, has one on an AR as well and likes it.
What magnifier power would you recommend for hitting a man-sized target out to 300 yards?
@@mghegotagun do you have a variable power scope to compare? The 3x PA prism would work for me. We have different eyes, rifles and skills..Some can do it with irons, some cant do it with 12x.
@@paddlesailnitro1 no. im making my first optics purchases. I was going to use a red dot with a type of ACSS reticle/magnifier combo on a 556 firearm capable of making certain ~62 grain rounds terminally effective out to about 300 yards.
@@mghegotagun I'm really liking the 3x Primary Arms prism, and for me, that would work. It's also decent at quick acquisition imo, both eyes open and peripheral both sides of magnified field of vision. I bought their 2.5x after trying a red dot/magnifier combo which didnt work out for me. The 2.5 is nice out to 150 for me, a bit shaky shooting 12" steel at 200, and my 9 inch steel st 320 was out if the question...so I broke out the .308 RPR with the 24x ffp Vortex and got bored lol. Just realize that going bigger on fixed magnification will be less ideal at closer range and slow down aquisition. I really like the PA 3x. I'm sure if it didn't work out, you could exchange it for bigger ir smaller.
@@paddlesailnitro1 So their 3x is still good for hitting a mideum sized target out to 300, huh?
LOVE this retical. Primary Arms tweaked it to perfection. I wear glasses with a really strong prescription & have no issues at all with these optics once adjusted. WELL DONE PA!
Which reticle do you use. I as well have really bad eyes with astigmatism.
Which reticle?
Just got my PA 3X ACSS prism a month ago. I absolutely love it. That paired with the an RMR on a Arisaka Offset Optic Mount it’s way better than anything I ever had in Marines. Could easily hit a silhouette target at 400 yards firing every 2 to 3 seconds off my range bag.
The BDC is spot on.
@ dloverland - Re: "That paired with the an RMR on a Arisaka Offset Optic Mount it’s way better than anything I ever had in Marines."
Dmitri M. at PA, the designer of the amazing ACSS reticles, really did his homework in designing that thing. He interviewed civilians, military, all kinds of shooters. He was particularly interested in finding out the primary causes for missed shots at medium/long range, and what he discovered was (1) improper range determination and (2) difficulty with wind. He also wanted a BDC-based system which eliminated as much math as possible, and allowed the user to get and stay on target faster and also more-accurately. He borrowed successful features from previous designs where possible, including the old Soviet PSO-1 scopes and the Trijicon ACOG, but also created new features of his own. ACOGs are legendary, and with good reason, but even Trijicon couldn't come up with a design to beat the ACSS, so they licensed it from PA instead. As an added bonus, time permitting, Dmitri sometimes (or his colleagues) will work with users of unusual loads to dope them out for the best use of their reticle designs.
There are a lot of very good optics firms in business these days, and competition for the customer's business is fierce, but PA has really set themselves apart. Not even Nightforce, U.S. Optics, Zeiss, Leupold, S&B, etc. offer anything as good as the ACSS.
@@GeorgiaBoy1961 P.A. should start engineering micros in 5x & beyond if possible? 6x, 8x, 10x
@@steffeness1 - Now that Trijicon has stopped making ACOGs with the ACSS, I wish Primary Arms would finally get off the mark and make a 4x fixed power optic. At the time, I think they stayed out of that particular niche in deference to Trijicon's product line.... probably a non-compete agreement.
The ACSS is the best reticle on the planet right now.
Not to mention you don't have to spend a fortune on an ACOG to get it.
They seem awesome. Think I'm gonna throw a 2x on my 11.5 inch.
@@bramrhodesdouglas5861 that would work, I run 3x on my 16" duty set up. I really want to get one of those 2x
Same, yeah I was actually just looking at them on Primary Arms but there sold out. I need one in 5.56 and one for a 300 blkout
@@easbreid9879 optics planet has the 7.62/300 bo version available I just bought one
Thats the luckiest kid ever. I wish I could've been able to shoot full auto rifles when I was that young. That's awesome though. Thanks for the helpful info as well I was actually just trying to decide between these optics here lately and still haven't decided but the info does help alot. Thank you Mrgunsngear for all the good information in your videos we all really do appreciate it.
Thank you for the great videos that you post. Before I purchase ANY equipment, sights, scopes, red dots, firearms and body armor I ALWAYS check your channel first. I will then make comparisons with other channels. However, your vids are usually the final "decisionmaker." You are still serving your country by providing honest assessments of gear. Take it from an old school Recondo (Class 5-81) you rock!! Stay safe, Brother!
Just took the 1x out on my .300 Blackout. It's freaking awesome! The eye relief is generous enough that I mounted it in front of my Magpul MBUS rear sight. I've seen a lot of comments that you can't see the illumination in bright daylight but that's not true. I live in the Nevada desert and on the high setting in bright sunlight it is easily visible unless you are looking directly into the sun.
I just bought the 3x prism for my AK in 7.62x39 about 2 months age in august(hottest month of the year). the optic is fantastic!!! crystal clear, super bright reticle.
Now, I live in FL and It gets 100 degrees out then rains at 3pm the humidity is unmatched here. I had my AC ice cooled in the car one time (the gun and optic were too) and I was worried it would fog up, and it never did not even a little.
I plan to buy many more PA products in the future. I'm thinking the 5x prism in 5.56
Was a little leary when this company first came out but they are the real deal. For the money they are quite good.
Prism optics are usually pretty tough.
I have nothing but good things to say about Primary Arms, own a few of there products and buy from there website often. If something is wrong, they will fix it or give you a replacement, and there shipping is pretty dang quick
I've had the PA 3X ACSS (The AKOU Goat F'er combo! lol) on my 7.62X39 Molot VERP and it has taken a beating, and still works very well!
Been looking at building a Farm Rifle with a fixed front sight post, I think I just found the Optic!
nice
Thats how one of my rifles is, I run the 3x and its awesome.
Just got a cyclops (green) for my BCM 16” upper with FSB. Replaced my holosun acss red dot. Red dot “feels” faster but the clarity of the optic is worth the short learning curve. With the factory base its a co-witness and no the front site doesn’t block it...unless you try and focus on it.
69.... nice
The GLX 2X is a good choice for a utility gun. Got one on my 7.62 bolt gun and just got another for my Bulgarian 5.45 AK.
Great run down as always. I purchased a PA 1-6FFP after watching your review. I find all your details 100% accurate on it, got exactly what I expected.
This came along just in time, I've been debating between a 3x and a 5x for a while.
Depends on the gun and your plans for it really. I went with the 3x for my 300 Blk and love it.
If it's going to be used inside 300 yards go for the 3x. I have the previous generation and love it. I also have a 3x acog. Besides the weight advantage I actually prefer the PA.
I've been watching the M16A4 20" DMR uppers going in and out of stock at Ohio Ordinance Works and since I won't be able to afford one of those AND an ACOG, I was looking at the PA prisms instead. Probably going to grab the 5x and stick a small reflex sight up top for close range.
Thanks Mike. Appreciate all your hard work
Very welcome
I have the 1X on my SLR 107. I have an astigmatism and I love it!
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The GLx 2x is the best prism they make. Makes sense as it's also the most expensive.
Yep I just got one off OpticsPlanet for my m70 ak can’t wait to get it
@@derekquinones8614 awesome! How do you like it? Pros and cons? Thanks
Got one of the 1x from their website, loved it. Picking up another one second hand tomorrow as well. Replacing my red dots from astigmatism. Waiting for the 2x to come back in stock!
Thanks so much for explaining the little details that us new shooters don’t know
If I understand correctly, this type of sight is good for those of us with an astigmatism. Is that correct?
True. Etched reticles are much less distorted by astigmatism.
that is why i switched all my red dots to these.
Yes. You can also try going with smaller size and simpler red dot articles. I have mild astigmatism and have noticed holo type sights have more bloom than tube style, and I prefer 2MOA dots. The primary arms 30mm red dot is actually a favorite of mine.
@@larrythorn4715 Thank you for the insight!
@@ronburton7611 I've been thinking about a similar approach.
Definitely considering the 5x for my 14.5 I'm building. These are making LPVO pointless as I always run an offset anyways and keep the magnification up.
Did you buy the 5x Prism optic? Which brand?
Hi Aric, I changed my name on RUclips. I ended up buying a butt plug instead. I’m gay
FYI - Primary Arms IS NOT honoring the free reflection device. BUT great channel man, been watching for years, just subscribed.
I have 3 of these. Two 1x for semi auto shotgun and 9mm PCC, and one 2x for AK. Love them
Snagged me the 5x just now...I think it will go well with my 20 inch colt upper
Primary Arms is KILLING it. Thanks for the great review
I recently set-up a new rifle with the 5x prism, and my old RMR on a offset. It's a wicked set-up.
Your beard looks much better after you had it trimmed, much more refined. Good work.
He’s about 10X better looking than I am not matter what he does, but I agree the trimmed beard (or baby-face too) is his best look.
Much obliged, my friend. This was the exact info I needed and had looked for on other channels, but had not been able to find. You just saved me from likely spending money I cannot afford to lose on optics that would not have served my needs. These Primary Arms units appear to fit my needs as well as possible. I'm 70, with astigmatisms in both eyes, and find that red/green dots and holographic sights don't work for me as primary sights. I can still use a tiny, light weight pistol type sight as a backup to my main sighting system, as the little sparkling glob I see still paints a rapidly acquired, close range target well enough. I do prefer the tiny dot sight to be mounted on the gun, at 45 degrees to the right, rather connected to the primary sight. That way, if my primary sight, or its mounting system fails or is damaged, the little backup sight is still on target. Iron sights on long guns have become completely useless to me. I already knew about the importance of an etched reticle, but didn't realize how important a diopter adjustment ring would be. Thanks, again!
I got jacked up vision and dont wear glasses, at all for simply put I dont want to have another "object" to rely on to function and I have zero problems with the 5x prism, love it, oh and I put a GDI(global defense industry) quick detach mount, on and off stays zero within a half min
Can you make a video explaining the differences between prism, red dot, and reflex? Also one explaining reticles like the acss would be nice
love your older videos as a ref. I just recently got into red dots on my pistols and rifles. SURPRISE! found I have astigmitism. see a clump of grapes instead of a crisp dot. Now I am going to prism optics. this video helped me decide on the 2.5 PA. Pistols are another issue..
Thank you for this video!! Just started my 1st mid-to-long range 5.56 upper receiver build and have been sweating the optic choices. Not any more! Thanks again! 💙
MrGnG should have a million subs. Better than most of the freedom-launcher channels out there, IMO.
I have my slx 3x mounted to an AK Master mount, the rear biased one. The MM sits only a couple millimeters above the dust cover and allows you to mount the prism base directly to the mount without any of the additional mounting plates included. Great setup.
Thank you for this information. It is concise and clear enough to help a beginner to make an informed decision.
Was in Bass Pro Shops today looking at their inventory really looking to see if they had Primary Arms which they don't. They do have a relatively new prism optic. Burris RT-3. A 3x prism that's small like the 1x Primary in this video. Size and weight is very impressive, glass is clear, eye focus works good for bad vision. As Mrguns was saying the reticle looks small in it though, but it may not be any smaller than the circle in the Primary. I haven't been able to side by side them.
I had a 5x ACSS at one point and regretted getting rid of it. Finally picked up another ACSS but a 3x instead of a 5x. Still definitely worth it and not getting rid of this one. They're keepers for sure, and even a 3x could get you out to 500 yards if you really tried. Unbeatable value really.
The PA 1x with their 3x LER magnifier and flip mount would be my choice .
Per the usual, excellent content, and great video overall. We appreciate you taking the time to gather this data and share it with us! Thanks again Mr. GnG!
I want the 2x for my PSA Akp pistol. Or maybe the Cyclops. Thanks for the info. Maybe a video on good magnifiers 👍
I can't get enough of these things, run them on both my ARs and my AK.
5X Aurora with offset rmr on my go to rifle. I find 45 offset is more comfortable with plate carrier on.
I just bought the 5x and love it for my SPR.. only complaints are eye relief (note I'm using a fixed A2 stock) and the illumination dial is ridiculously hard to turn. I believe it takes ACOG mounts though, and I'll probably be trying an American Defense Mfg mount to bring it back about two inches. For me, the fixed power makes so much more sense for a platform that wont be shooting further than 800 meters. Less moving parts and weight than similar LPVOs or traditional scopes, less money than an ACOG with superior eye relief. An offset red dot will be a perfect addition to the 5x.
i have the 1x cyclops and the 3x. i much prefer the 3x as the 1x reticle is really small
lol now that ive watched the video... yes ive changed the diopter all that does is focus the reticle. its still too small
@@mikegager how small is it? Thinking of buying one for my .458 socom
Great video brother thanks. My 2x shipped yesterday been waiting for like 3 months but man am I excited to get it Friday!
"Unless you're out there fighting Giants or Dwarfs or something like that", LOL, that's some funny shit right there!
I have the 3x Slx prism for 300BLK. Love it. And I have to say, that intro, I sure do miss me some cyclic love.
I want one so bad. I cant find any in stock.
The GLX 2X is easily the best. I have a first run 300blk version and it’s fantastic.
Got that on my 7.62x39 suppressed CZ 527.
GLX stands for what?
Just but slx aurora last night 5x after your detailed review . Your channel and military arms channel I watch all day best on you tube thanks brother
Great wrap up. I have a cyclops and it’s fantastic. Great optics and reticle, especially for the money.
I initially thought the sirens were Coyotes. I love my 2x, I run it on my AK and have minimal problems making hits at 500 yards with decent ammo.
My 2x came in last week. Great eye relief! Thanks for the reviews.
I have the 5x on my ACR, and it's been pretty nice
For 0 - 300m I do love the Cyclops.
But I don't really understand the concept of the 2x prisms. Not really enough magnification to make a practical difference in my opinion. I'd rather go with a 3x, which I personally consider a jack of all trades style optic, to super impose the reticle for CQB and still has enough magnification to see at moderate distances for identification and improved precision capabilities.
The 2x is still a force multiplier, especially with the BDI reticle. About as much as you would want for a subsonic cartridge.
@ The Irishman - The ACSS features appear sort of small at 2x, but that's the price of that power level. I'm speculating, but some shooters like 1.5-2x because it offers a bigger field of view and allows one to use a prism almost like a red-dot or reflex sight. Back in the 1970s, Steyr of Austria offered their AUG bull-pup carbine for the first time, with a then-innovative permanently-attached 1.5xpower magnified optic.
For my part, I wish PA and Dmitri - the designer of the ACSS line - would offer a 3.5 or 4x like an ACOG, but I think since PA licenses some of their ACSS designs to Trijicon, PA may have agreed to leave that power range alone as part of the deal. I don't know that, but it is conspicuous that their prism optics don't appear in either of those magnifications. A 3.5x would be just right, IMO. The 3x is nice, and so is the 5x (though it is heavy, it is very accurate), but the sweet spot would be 3.5-4x.
Who else is wondering if they're gonna develop something to compete with the elcan?
You read my mind I am thinking of buying a Elcan ☺️
Once again an informative video for those newer shooters. Thank you. Fyi...bought a shirt for my son and myself.
did anyone else thumbs up as soon as they saw the m240
I always Thumbs Up first thing on this channel, always quality..no BS🇺🇸😎
Hey Mike, why don't you like the lens covers for the prism optics, and what do you use to protect the lens if you don't use the lens covers? Thank you.
Good timing. I've been trying to choose between a prism and a red dot. I'm still leaning toward a red dot and a 3x-18x FFP but . . . .
Really have been enjoying my 3x acss
🇺🇸 Awesome video as always
indeed 😎
Yo PA send me a scope. I gotz no money hehe
Really appreciate all the informative content you put out. Thanks for all of it.
In my case: I have three AR’s. One with an LPVO on a 16” barrel, one is a pistol with a micro red dot. SO, my third is a 16” barrel and I have been looking at the 1x green cyclops and the 2x....which would you pick if you could only choose one! I am HEAVILY leaning towards the green 1x cyclops
I've been running a PA 3x Prism w the ARD on a Saint for like 9 months and love it, I am interested in the 2x, sounds fun.
Was drilling an 8 inch plate @ 250 yrds at the rifle range a few weeks ago and had 3 different people come ask me about my set up
I hardly ever turn the illumination on(if shooting during the day), if I do, I run the 2nd to lowest brightness
Debating over the 2X & 3x. I'm older, eyes are getting tired. I will be using this to hopefully shoot anything from steel challenge (15 yards and more), to some longer distance (100-200 yards). The kicker - this is with a Tippman .22LR. I know the BDC won't align, but for target acquisition, speed, LR shooting, which do you feel would be best suited - 2X or 3X?
Just got a tavor x95 think I’ll get the 5X. Thanks for the great vids.
I’m torn between 1x and 2x. I want to put one on my x95 for an HD or truck gun. It’s my go to rifle. Great video.
2x , I've used 3x - 10x LPVO's. I noticed there wasn't too much magnification
@@steffeness1 I went with the GLx 2x and love it.
Waiting on the 3x now for my DDM4 MK18
It's not my first choice....but it will hold me over untill the scope I want hits the market.
Just bought a P.A. 1x6x24 FFP with a American Defense mount. I can hardly contain myself while I'm waiting for delivery.
MD-25 ACSS-CQB because it was on sale lol
Works great on my AK with an Attero Arms Bravo XL mount.
Thanks for the video, I’m ordering mine tomorrow. By the way, what watch is that you’re wearing? Looks badass!
Great breakdown dude. Thanks for the info.
been eyeballing the 5x + a offset dot to replace my HS510c+3x magnifier. Starting to rely want better magnification and ACSS... and im not a LPVO fan.
What did you do? I also have a Holosun 510C green. Think 3x is too weak?
Thank you for this vid! After your AR setup video I knew i wanted a Prism scope. I was wondering which one though
You are so lucky to have access to ammo right now. Here in Phoenix 9mm and 5.56 is so scarce I just horde what I can get and don’t go shoot right now. As always, thank you so much for your straight talk reviews of equipment and comparisons. You make is so much easier to decide which brands to buy.
Right now, I'd but whatever is in stock above 1x lol....(I want either the 3x or 5x, maybe this vid will help me decide)
Rolling a 3x on a 20" ar. Love it. Considering a 5x for scar 17. You think it can handle the optics destroyer???
Other people have said no issues, watched ALL the reviews before buying. Don’t have a SCAR myself though.
I run the 5x on my fal no problemo
It's made in China, just a warning.. If I had a SCAR it would get an Acog or an Elcan.
@@Woodpusherpro while it is made in China I don’t need to drop 1k on an ACOG.
But I understand your position👍
@@derek3154 I agree. I bought the 5.56 3x prism used and have it worn on a Yugoslavian AK. It has pretty good glass, wide FOV, and I have enjoyed it, in all its Chinesium glory.
If you've got contacts at Primary Arms, tell them to make a replacement for the top rail on these that is an RMR plate instead of a Pic rail. The rail, plus the rail mount, plus the body of an RMR raise it up too high to get any sort of cheek or chin weld while piggybacked on the 5x Prism. A direct mount would be tits.
Mrgunsngear: Pulls out a M240
Me: That escalated quickly...
😂
Great video!
i wish they made these with some more hunting oriented reticles as an option in maybe like a 2.5 or 2.75 power would be perfect
My buddy was in 7th Group. He told me they didn't flip up their front sight caps, on their RD sights.
Yep I'm one of those that even messing with the diopter on the chevron is useless on the 1x Prism scope especially when i turn on the reticle it washes out more.
Based on your review I bought a gem tech abys. Have not received it yet
Good shit!!!! I got the 3x, loved it. Ordered the green cyclops 1x, might get the 5x as well...FU Astigmatism!!!. 3x is super crisp, was worried about the 1x but you set me straight and now I’m not worried about it🇺🇸😎
Let me know how it looks when you get it. Debating on buying the 1x cyclops
@@bigcheese9096 will do, heading to the range tomorrow
@@bigcheese9096 so...the reticle is pretty small tbh. Your basically using the donut of death to make shots as the tiny chevron is unusable. Eye relief is generous and the illumination is way bright when needed.
I set this as my primary CQB sight, I like it. But I do wish the reticle was a bit larger so you can use the chevron.
The 3x comparably has a very big, clear and usable reticle and chevron where you can easily make pin point shots at 50yds.
Hope this helps man, Trump2020🇺🇸
@@derek3154 thank you, really appreciate it. Might buy the 3x for one or my ARs down the road. But gonna pass on it for my .458 socom. Gonna find something with a bigger reticle
#KAG Trump2020
@@bigcheese9096 no problem, 3x would be good on your socom...maybe even the 5x
I have 2 of the p.a. slx 3x genIII. I am sure i have sent too many pics of em already. I also have a p.a. acss 6x32 scope. I probably sent pics of it as well... LOVE all 3. I want the 5x green/red... i have a vortex diamondback 4-12x40 on my rebuilt lr 308. Good group with it today. Love the Faxon big gunner bbls!!!
Thank you, I just ordered two of the 1x prism with green reticle using your link! $215.99 each with a veteran discount. These will go on two of my AKs and I can give one of my red reticle versions to my son.
Where is the link, cannot find it? Vet discount code or? thanks brother
@@ronburton7611 If you open up the comments at this link, he has all the links to the optics business.facebook.com/Mrgunsngear/videos/2778865895703286/?v=2778865895703286
@@ronburton7611 You can upload a copy of a DD form 214 or military id herewww.primaryarms.com/military-and-le-pricing
@@ronburton7611 they will then code your account with the 10% discount. I think you can also fax it to them.
I have 4 of the Cyclops, 1 2x, and 3 of the 3x prism. All of them are really nice.
Would the 3x or 5x work on a .44 magnum lever rifle for deer hunting? Would the marks on the reticle be useless?
Good for you. I get “Brevis 2.5x24L” Pilad prism optic and in my opinion my choice is better. Have a nice day!)
I had the 2.5x before they discontinued it...awesome optic
Doesn't seem to be discontinued. They have it in stock right now for $200. Only reason I haven't ordered that one is because it only has a 1yr warranty.
@@xaderalert Yeah, I saw that brought it back after I posted that. It is an awesome optic for a great price
You’re videos are so great. Thank you. Dumb question… can you use a red dot magnifier with these prism optics?
No you can’t.
I have an old 2.5x acss and it's nuts
I have both the 1X and 2X prisms from PA. (Also the 2.5X but that's been retired). I don't have the 3X or 5X. The 1X is a good optic in the price range but the 2X is a great piece comparable to optics at twice the price. I got in on the second round of preorders. Unfortunately it's unobtanium right now.
How does the 2x do in CQB scenarios?
@@markd7762 Well I think Garand Thumb summed it up perfectly. It's practically as fast as a 1X once you get your brain calibrated to it. For me at least, that only took a few minutes of dry fire practice.
cole is the reticle larger in the 2x than the 1x? got the 1x but dam it is a small reticle. thanks.
@@ronburton7611 Yes the reticle is bigger. 2X bigger as a matter of fact.
Great video, I've been looking for a solid 1x-3x option that doesn't require batteries
Thank you
It's bothered me for awhile now but why is the community shifting to LVPO's with red dot's instead of Prism optics with red dots? It seems there are more advantages to the Prism over the LVPO other than magnification availability.
Thanks just the video I need to make the right decision
Did you say the 1x with a 9mm bdc reticle? Now that is a must have for an ar9 pistol!
I wish they would make a long eye relief 1x8 with green accs reticle. My ruger gunsite scout would love it
Great video Mike, need to pick one up!