The reason for Black Adam's poor showing in the bullet scene with the kid is because of the "eternium forcefield that zapped him a few minutes earlier. Lingering weakness, similar to when the kryptonite gas weakened superman in Batman vs Superman and the nuke actually hurt the man if steel.
Just watched black adam last night and that scene where he statued all the soldiers with the music was one of the best scenes in the dceu despite it being inconsistent
@@BruceWayne-xq7bb The bullets SHOULD HAVE BEEN STILL! If he's going to even stand a CHANCE against dceu superman he has to be as fast. DCEU superman is mach 3644 and he would easily statue bullets, but when black adam used his speed, the bullets were moving.
If we’re basing this on the comics, black Adam and Superman and pretty much dead even. You can make the argument that Superman is slightly stronger in brute strength, not by much. Where as Blavk Adam is more skilled and powerful. In the comics, they usually stalemate, if anything black Adam usually bests Superman in tye few times they’ve encountered each other
Black Adam is not immune to all physical attacks and superman is not weak to magic he just doesn’t have a resistance and black Adam was shown to have his own kind of kryptanite in Ethernem
@@Anonymous-yh4ol no think about Pokemon. In Pokemon if you are weak to something, you take double damage. If you are resistant, you take half damage. Superman is neither weak nor resistant to magic, so he takes normal damage. Superman is weak to kryptonite and would therefore take extra damage from kryptonite.
@@Anonymous-yh4ol think about it like this ,humans ,anything aren't weak to bullets ,we just don't have a resistance to it ,like badgers,or bullet proof clothing.If I set a case of bullets down on a table we wouldn't all die.but if I shot you,then it's a different story
Dr. Silvanus' quote: "only magic can hurt magic" comes from a place of magic versus a "normal" world and shouldn't be taken as factual. Where mortal weapons are not impressive to gods or beings like BA that get their powers from the gods, Superman is NOT normal and scales to the point where gods can be hurt by him. Superman can 100% hurt BA due to how powerful he is, just like he can hurt Darkseid who is also considered a god.
@@Anonymous-yh4ol and yet, he adapted at the end when was reintroduced to same kryptonian atmosphere that depowered him... he overcame it and destroyed the world engine.
@@Anonymous-yh4ol that is not true. You're referring to Superman returns and that video is not canon to the DCEU, which is largely based on the comics, the source material. In clthe comics, he can go anywhere.
@@Anonymous-yh4ol Darkseid is a New God and his powers are from the Source, which birthed the entirety of DC. New Gods use technology so advanced that it's basically magic, there's no difference aside from the aesthetic.
@@Anonymous-yh4ol it's not exactly his "anchor". He can go weeks without being near one due to his impressive ability to store energy or absorb other forms like cosmic.
I’m pretty sure the Rock is saying that Black Adam is the most powerful being in the universe, not Superman. Zeus is blatantly above Superman for casually separating the Mother Boxes which took all of Superman’s efforts and then some to. The explosion clearly affected him too.
im pretty sure zeus lightening bolts are even more powerful than black adams lightening bolts being said we all know how powerful zeus bolts are so it being able to separate the boxes shouldn't be a surprise, superman used his physical strength to separate the boxes n zeus didnt so...im just saying
Don’t attack me! I know you guys don’t agree on cross-scaling universes but would definitely love one day for a mass DCEU & MCU tier list from you guys and pretty sure secretly people would agree 👀
Black Adam is powered by magic but he doesn't cast magical spells, incantations, magical relics, or use any potions. He uses his strength, speed and lightning. Lightning which has the properties of normal lightning. He has never defeated Superman in their previous confrontations in comics.
He’s been close tho in the comics cause of magic theirs no denying that. now I think dc is gonna do they own thing like marvel like I think the DCEU is it’s own thang ya feel and they doin they own story so I wouldn’t say Superman isn’t beatable here like we don’t know a lot about our Superman either we don’t know all his weaknesses so I mean gotta give all dat a chance to happen
@@6ixallah No. Black Adam has never come close to beating Superman. Look it up. Four times they’ve fought, Clark basically fodderized him in every single instance.
Yoo this is exactly what I have been saying BA can't cast no spells whatsoever and as far as we know he doesn't know anything about SM so how would he beat him? The only way they fighting is had to hand combat with each using their own powers and belive me SM will beat his as.. We have seen SM fight so many badass Godlike villains we know how strong is Plus we have superman 1million😂
@@Wanzitv might want to check up on that. Writer Geoff John's has stated that Shazam can cast spells and that he is actually an adept spell castor. He just doesn't use it. Especially after the Shazam family has aquired the book of champions. Which allows them to cast spells independently of using the actual SHAZAM spell itself. Given this Shazam and BA could become very powerful spellcasters they just don't focus on that /written that way...
@@Wanzitv his lightning would be magically created. He just doesn’t need spells. His punches would count as magical in nature. Think back to in Shazam when Shazam got punched by the bad guy. He was hurt, because the punch is enhanced magically simply based on them being magical beings
2:35 INCORRECT. Superman was resistant to magic when wonder woman tried to use the lasso of truth on him. He IS resistant to magic in the DCEU. Of course they could just be sadly inconsistent like every other franchise.
superman !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! he win always he is the best !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SUPERMAN IS THE MOST POWERFUL BEING IN THE WHOLE UNIVERSE [INCLUDE MARVELS ]
@@juicysteak8018 *Bro superman is immune to magic' PROVE ( superman and Lois season 2 episode 14 and 15) Justice leaque 2017 / 2021* *In the comics superman is immune to godly and Devine magic he's also immune to reality and energy warping attacks with transmutation magic PROVE ------ ORION comics lord of order comics sandman comics also see darkseid capt Blaze in hell ( NOT even Dr Manhattan could distort supetman)* *(Zack Snyder said superman is the most powerful force in the universes)*
Kal-El has the entire Kryptonian genome so he's constantly evolving. Didn't Suoerman sneeze once and obliterated an entire solar system. Black Adam is a strong character, but he ain't holding water to Kal-El .
To be fair, it's kinda who wins, the one who brings more comic sales or the one who (possibly) brings in more movie sales. I guess it depends on which format they are fighting in. I predict a tie to not piss anyone off
Superman isn't weak to magic he just dosen't have a resistance to it. So yes WW laso can work on him but it dosen't mean he can't fight the will of the laso like he did in Justice League. By this logic Superman wouldn't have a resistance to Black Adams attacks and Black Adams attacks would be similar to that of a Kryptonian. The whole only magic can hurt magic is tricky though. I feel like that will be dropped or at least it will be stated that super strong characters like Superman, Doomsday, Darkseid can hurt magic beings.
In Justice League his unstable mental state immediately after being resurrected is probably why the lasso had minimal effect. And yes, the will of the individual is a key factor in determining how long they can resist the lasso. But magical attacks that deal damage (like magic weapons, or the energy from Diana's bracers, or Adam's lightning) would affect Superman as if he were a normal human. Those bypass his Kryptonian invulnerability.
While I do think that Superman will win against Black Adam if they fought, it wouldn't be an easy fight. Superman is vulnerable to magic, and Black Adam definitely compares to Superman in terms of physical power. Also, Superman being stated to be the most powerful being in the universe isn't even a fair assessment because of Darkseid. Snyder cut or not, Darkseid himself is set up to be more powerful than even Superman, so the assumption that Superman is the most powerful being in the DCEU just isn't true.
Like I still don't know how he's going to win against superman I mean someone who's definitely stronger than anything you could find on the planet Earth or outside and nothing has ever scratch his skin nor knock him out on his feet completely without a sign of getting back up except using kryptonite and unity of the three mother boxes that on another level of power yeah I like the fact that only a magical being can hurt another magical being but let pick wonder woman as an example, she is complete magical I mean by blood she's got her mother's blood whom is an Amazon (beings living for over and over 5000 years) and his father Zeus a True god not just a God but king of all Greek most powerful gods I can say it she's absolutely magical and we saw how she did against superman does it look like magic can actually hurt superman nah I don't think so yeah black Adam is so much different from Wonder woman being granted 7 different abilities from 7 different God's but you need to understand something having their abilities doesn't mean he has all their strengths I mean all their True potential as a god but I don't know only Warner Bros has all the answers
I think it’s a misconception that Shazam or Black Adam have the full power of 6 gods. Id say they have a piece of their power (and in Shazam’s case 2 are Demi gods and one is mortal) I don’t think Black Adam or Shazam is more powerful than Zeus. Shazam only has a bit of his power, not the full power of him.
The bullet scene is an outlier due to Black Adam consistently showing near light speed flight and combat speed. If you recall the first encounter with the military forces he is able to casually fly around while his magic enhanced lightning is barely moving. He then later out speeds a craft that is moving so fast it passes through physical matter. Lastly he is able to travel half way across the world in a two to three seconds, to catch marble statue that is over a million pounds. The statement is fallacious because unfortunately Earth is within the Universe and Earth is where Superman resides. So if Black Adam is the strongest being on Earth, then Superman is included in that scale.
Adam wins, supe's powered by our sun, take sun away he loses his power even without kryptonite which Adam could do by flying him into space as supe is really only supposed to be able to jump originally or via magic
I really don’t think anyone involved with any of the dc movies knowns the material or probably just looked at the pictures in the comics and said I got the gist of it.
Let's see.....Supes is stronger, faster, smarter, has more powers , more durable. Suoes has only the irritation of magic. Not a full weakness. Superman would win 6 out of 10 times imo. 7 if bloodlusted, no holding back.
The whole reason I believe Superman would win is he has an innate ability to reach down deep and do the seemingly impossible out of sheer will power. Superman returns lifting the kryptonite island, turning back time, repairing an earthquake...too many times he has done the impossible by sheer will alone.
i dont get the whole tin foil hat thing of superman being weak to magic, i mean in the comics he isnt even weak to kryptonite anymore, it has been proven ( i can find the issues for you if you dont believe me so you can even read them) that superman is "weak" to magic or kryptonite just because he thinks he is weak , so it makes him vunerable, its just a mental barrier that he has broken numerous times, when he defeated disciple, an ancient god that his magic could destroy mulitverse realities. when wonder woman, had a magic sword made of kryptonite and did nothing to him, when he wore a kryptonite ring and punching Kara, when he moved the whole krypton planet while under the red sun, even lex said it him self that he aint weak to nothing he just think he is weak . people should start read more comics and dont base their "scaling/feats' out of animation movies only.
@@KeyIssues i mean dont get me wrong mate i like what the rock is doing, he starts listen to the fans and maybe reads a bit more comics or have some advisors that know stuff, but they should up the game a bit . I know some stuff gotta be cinematic and not really make sense, but at least they can try.
It's not "weak to magic", it's that his Kryptonian invulnerability doesn't work against it. A magic sword cuts Superman's skin as easily as it cuts human flesh, magic spells affect him just like they affect anyone who doesn't have any special resistance to magic. It's not a mental or force of will thing, magic simply bypasses how his powers function.
@@neospock5034 ok you probably havent read the comics then, its fine mate .as i said before this has been debunked, its not 1990 there are new issues out that explain it. he is vunerable to magic and kryptonite cause he thinks he is weak. just read the comics im referring to.
I do believe that superman would loose to black Adam due to superman’s common weakness to magic In terms of the feat of resisting the lasso of truth, I believe that this was the result of superman’s mental state at the as his mind was clearly not yet as resurrected as his body, and his pause was attempting to remember as his mind began to clear though he quickly reverted to fight after he was unable to recall himself which he would soon begin to do as he start to rapidly recall memory once in contact of Batman and then Lois
If u think superman loses to black Adam then tht !eans u think Thor beats superman aswell since Thor's lightning is magic and he uses it almos takeays in his fights so if black Adam beats superman so does Thor
Superman - Indestructible with limitless stamina as long as he can see the sun Black Adam - Indestructible with limitless stamina, period. I don't believe that either one is capable of actually harming the other in hand-to-hand combat.
Unlimited stamina but can be put down temporarily by a punch from atom smasher.. So yea.. Brute force can hurt him too... And superman is no smasher.. A similar punch can be lethal right!
Yes, I made a comment about this. I say nobody is invulnerable. That’s a fallacy. You just have to meet the minimum requirements to hurt them. It’s like someone saying armor is invulnerable to swords. You just need a good enough sword to break through the defenses capabilities of the armor. Same with any fictional character. The only characters that can truly be invulnerable are the absolute pinnacle of a particular fictional series
Question are you a black adam fan or super man fan I'm thinking you're more of a black adam fan you left some very key points of superman powers out and I'm not even a super man fan but I can tell you super man will mop the floor with black adam easily
Regarding the lasso superman he wasn’t really resisting the lasso as even steppenwolf shares the same feat it’s just that they are so powerful the burn damage the lasso is inflicting on them isn’t meant to be that strong as even a human aka Steve was able to resist for a few seconds tho it did hurt he was just an ordinary man so he is still immune to magic it’s just not meant to kill people mainly torcher them
So on one hand one demon of the 6 can fight relative to fate who is relative or just below the likes of Zeus/ares but he has 6 demons powering him so he’s clearly above the gods but by a huge margin I assume yet adam wen actuslly going all out can rip him in half ? I feel that feat on its own puts rage adam on top
@@davidselawsky6620 mmm this is what I’m iffy about mate cause I totally get people can see superman hitting Adam about all day maby not damaging Adam but hitting him about but let’s be frank their plans for future stuff we know it’s gonna be even with the rock stating he can’t say which way it’ll go and that at the moment Shazam or superman can’t stop him right now
rage adam is on top for now yes but lets say superman lets loose like really is in to put adam down. Lets say superman see's him as a doomsday type of threat n goes all out to beat adam it can change stuff tbh n im pretty sure atom smasher hardest punch and hawkman's hardest hit with his fist or his mace isn't as powerful as superman's hardest hit.
@@raemalli2570 yeah but again we’ve established they could only get the chance to hit him when he wasn’t going all out and didn’t know the levels of people he’s dealing with and he’s never faced powerful beings before, when Hawkman comes at him in the apartment adam starts using his real speed and hawkman is useless, and let’s not act like any of their hits adam actually felt
If Superman takes a swim in the sun, versus charging up from a distance, he becomes several times stronger and faster than he already is. Movies do not do Superman justice. They portray him as being limited. A sun-charged Superman flies at several times faster than the speed of light and can move entire planets. If Superman is charged, it is not a contest, even with Black Adam's magic.
I see the bullet scene as more of an outlier because it completely contradicts with everything else about him, you can't tell me that Black Adam, the guy who in the comics has kept up with both Superman and Shazam is as slow as a bullet. It doesn't make sense.
We know superman would win, but the question is does black Adam have a chance to beat superman. And that’s a yes as Shazam has shown he’s able to in 2 quick punches and black Adam is as powerful if not more powerful than superman.
@@munoken Black adam could barely statue the bullets in his movie, superman is mach 3644 in the DCEU, which already makes superman MUCH faster than black adam. Superman has much more strength and durability feats, IQ and abilities. He also has more power
I don’t think superman was resistant to magic in terms of wonder woman’s lasso. I might be wrong but I believe it is explained in the first Wonder Woman movie that the lasso burns Steve until he just tells the truth, not actually magically compelled to tell the truth, and this would make sense as superman does seem to flinch at first when the lasso hits him, but he can take the burning pain. I might be completely wrong tho, I haven’t seen that movie in a while
Based off that statue feat of Black Adam, which as far as I can tell is best strength feat that he at a very conservative lowball could lift ateast 20 tons. Just using an estimate based on the estimated weight of the Colossus of Rhodes. I dunno how tall it was or its composition but I'd guess limestone.
That's a no limits falicy argument, don't take it literally If I put Goku in the DCEU and he went Blue Kaioken x20, would he not hurt Black Adam because he's not using magic? If I put Ganondorf in Marvel 616 would he beat everyone because no one has the Master Sword?
No, not really. I said in the video Black Adam and Superman should be somewhat relative based on feats, but Black Adam has two distinct advantages. If Superman was 1000s of times more powerful, then that would be a completely different story.
The two are equally matched in areas like strength, speed, flight, and special abilities. However, Black Adam's powers specifically derive from one of Superman's weaknesses: magic.
I think it's entirely possible that they are gonna go the route of the animated movie "The Return of Black Adam" (only tweaked ro better suit Black Adam's anti-hero status) where initially, Clark fights Black Adam and they match up really well until Black Adam busts out the magic and we find out that Superman is vulnerable to it. This would be the point where he starts needing help from Shazam and together they take Black Adam down. . As a side note, nothing in the Justice League movie indicates Slerman is resisting Wonder Woman's lasso. That's a very particular interpretation and not the most straight forward one either. Look at the Wonder Woman movie where Steve Trevor jobs is captured and subjected to the Lasso's effects. It compels him to speak the truth but in between questions he is fully aware of the fact it's affecting him and he tries to struggle against it (except ully reateained and can do nothinf to escape it. Despite that though, even HE manages to resist it's effects temporarily. Compare that to Justice League where Diana is compelling Superman to see the truth. Clark is clearly affected and is seeing something in his head however, you can also see that become a aware that it's affecting him (just like Steve Trevor) but unlike Steve, he's not fully restrained and is able to overpower Wonder Woman and escape the Lasso's effect. Basically, This shows that Clark is clearly affected by the magic - at least as much as a normal human and the only difference is that once he realises this, he is able to escape the effects. . I'm not sure how we get to the notion that Dr Sivana is anywhere near Shazam or the Gods themselves. Diana only gets an upper hand on Shazam because of experience and Shazam having no idea about his powers or how to use them AND the fact he's still a kid and is intimidated by the idea of a nasty guy who is actually able to hurt him. We see that the Shazam family (who only have a set portion of Shazam's overall power) are able to easily overpower each individual Sin and even all together, Sivana is not on the same level of Shazam. Moreover, he uses the Wizard's staff to clearly empowerhimself to some degree so overall, he should not be on that level. . Also, Dr Fate should realistically be top tier as well. He was able to outright defeat one of the demons powering Sabbac and those are, according to your assumptions, comparable to the Gods powering Shazam and Black Adam. Yet you have those Gods (Zeus and Ares for example) a tier above Dr Fate. It just doesn't add up or make logical sense. . Finally, on the subject of anti-feats, unfortunately you HAVE to take into consideration that not everyone is operating at peak efficiency ALL THE TIME. That's not the case in real world competitions and it's not the case in these kinds of showdowns either. Flash is not always running at maximum speed for example. There's also the fact that sometimes, cinematography and "rule of cool" just take priority over precise and consistent power scaling. The example of Black Adam only just managing to react to a bullet is clearly one of these examples. . As a side note, I'd also argue that Black Adam is more powerful than Sabbac. Yes, Sabbac did really well again at him but Hawkman did better against him than he did against Black Adam and we also have to remember that Teth is not used ro fighting people who are on the same level as him - let alone ones that can genuinely hurt him - which Sabbac clearly could. In the end, Black Adam "raging" is just him unleashing more power but without control due to anger in the same way that humans often get stronger but less controlled in fits of anger. When channelling this power properly, he was clearly more powerful than Sabbac since he ripped the guy in half. Anyway, just points I thought were worth bringing up and hopefully they are of some help moving forward.
Someone else might of said it already but it might jaut be a godzilla vs king Kong thing when superman and black adam do fight but come up against someone or thing more fierce
I think Black Adam will fight Superman in Shazam 3, wherein Black Adam will win and (either through the Wizard Shazam, or manipulation by Amanda Waller), Shazam will fight Black Adam. Shazam on paper has enough strength, but is far less experienced of a fighter and less brutal so he gets his ass whooped as well. He almost is killed, but Billy reverts back to a kid, and this gives Teth-adam pause, as he sees his own son in Billy. From here, Shazam and Superman either come back for a Round 3 and win, or Superman lets Shazam handle it and Shazam wins alone in Round 3.
Ngl I get why supes is top of verse and why he should have the edge based of what we have so far but I must say if and when the movie comes out (supes vs Adam) I can see it going either way
I feel like y’all are taking statements too literal. Let’s bring it to comics and work our way up. One of Superman’s powers is that he’s invulnerable. But that’s not true, nobody is truly invulnerable. It’s just a high durability. For instance, shoot a regular handgun at at Superman, the bullet bounces off or just falls down. But get some super advanced weaponry and now suddenly, you can hurt him. A regular dude punches Superman, you’d just break your hand or worse. Suddenly get a super strong person and they can make Superman bleed. So not invulnerable. So that takes me to magic. People like to always say he’s not weak to magic and he just doesn’t have any invulnerability to it. Well I just described how he’s not invulnerable at all, just has high durability. It applies to magic as well. Weak magic will be like the bullet from the handgun, not effect him much if at all. But get powerful magic and it’s a different story. Moving on to the DCEU, I view it as the same. The lasso didn’t effect supes because it simply wasn’t strong enough. Simple as that. Looking at the magical beings however, I view it as the same concept. Wonder Woman is a god. At the very least a semi god. The wizard Shazam pulls his magic from the Greek pantheon which she is a part of. Meaning, she should have that same sort of resistance as well. But she still his hurt by non magical means. So it’s most likely the same as with superman. Simply meet the minimum requirements to do them harm. Most magic probably meets the minimum requirements to harm magical beings. Thus they say only magic can hurt magic. Which is why they use the magical missiles, because it meets the minimum level to hurt Adam and is such more advanced then anything they have outside of nukes. Superman would scale beyond that minimum requirement to harm magical beings. Thus making him able to harm or kill black Adam. Also the statement of superman being the most powerful being in the universe is clearly hype propaganda and shouldn’t be taken as fact.
great explanation on invulenrability- however It's been clarified repeatedly in the comics and animation that Superman's Kryptonian durability/toughness does NOT work against magical attacks- those affect him the same as they affect normal humans. There is the issue of weak vs strong magic but that's very difficult to quantify. So while bullets bounce off Superman's skin, a magical sword cuts his skin as easily as it cuts a normal human. So magic weapons/artifacts are very dangerous to him, although his super-speed makes it difficult for anyone who doesn't also have super-speed to pose a serious threat. And yes, Superman's power scaling on the offenseive side is enough to damage beings like Shazam and Black Adam, who are so durable that they seem invulnerable to conventional attacks. The "only magic can hurt magic" is also propaganda of sorts. In Superman/Shazam First Thunder, Superman was shown having a much tougher time fighting a bunch of magically summoned creatures than Captain Marvel/Shazam did. Their attacks affected Superman more than Marvel (who as Earth's champion against magical threats, has specific resistance against it). Conversely, we've seen in encounters against aliens and non-magical threats that Superman's durability exceeeds that of Captain Marvel/Shazam. They both shrug off bullets, bombs and conventional earth weapons with ease but Superman can tank more extreme damage without being hurt.
@@neospock5034 maybe it’s because it’s comics and things change depend on who’s writing, but people have stated feats where Superman tanks magic attacks. So either it changes because of comic bullshit or it’s how I described it.
It would be very cool to see a form of brother eye story in dceu now. So many heroes and BA is an anti hero... batfleck already has these visions where supes goes bad.... they could do some form of tower of babel mixed with brother eye for jl2 and if all goes well jl3 and jl4 can be darkseid.
Brie Larson mixed this up as well. Captain Marvel is powerful, Hulk is strong(captain marvel would still ratio hulk though). Superman is strong and powerful, in some aspects, but, Black Adam has magic. So he'd win.
Yes Diana is magically (or divinely) powered too, but DC doesn't treat the source of someone's power being magical as equivalent to using magic directly. So while Black Adam and Diana are super-strong, their bare-handed physical attacks are treated the same as those from aliens or someone wearing high-tech power armor that grants super-strength. Superman's vulnerability to magic doesn't come into play in those scenarios (logically it should, but it doesn't). So Superman's Kryptonian durability/toughness still applies when fighting opponents whose speed/strength is magically granted. Otherwise one full-strength punch from beings like Diana, Shazam or Black Adam would instantly shatter his skeleton and kill him. But Superman's Kryptonian durability/toughness doesn't work against objects which are enchanted (like magic swords or spears) or against direct magical attacks like spells. Those bypass his invulnerability and affect Superman just like they affect normal humans. So while Wonder Woman punching him with her fist would hurt, he could take it. just as he could take a punch from Zod or Faora. But Diana blasting magical energy from her bracers or wielding a magical sword are things he doesn't have any defense against. So spells and direct use of magical energy are a big problem for him. While magical weapons are dangerous, someone still needs to be super-fast in order to hit Superman with those, provided he's aware of their intentions and is trying to avoid getting hit.
Superman does not brags about his powers and does not challenge others like adam.but when time comes he will find the way.Dont forget he turn also the time back in his firsts movies.without magic :)
Superman should and could fly straight to the sun with or without black adam. And it would be ultimate power up, and we have not seen what kryptonite eye lazers does to ancient magical man. But Black adam could use kryptonite and superman has weaknesess like a louis lane who Black adam could kidnap if superman does not eat kryptone or something like that Louis dies..
In my opinion according to DC universe scaling superman is the most powerful hero on planet earth an has been around but black adam has been on the sidelines for a while and because of that he should be the most powerful being in the universe
Yes Superman is susceptible to magic- at least in the comics. We don't know about the DCEU since he hasn't gone against anyone using magic against him other than Wonder Woman using her lasso to try and subdue a recently resurrected Kal-El. But we assume the same probably applies in the movies. We just need to keep in mind that magic is a vulnerability or susceptibility for Superman, not a weakness. That means magic affects him just like it affects eveeryday people, he doesn't have any special resistance against magic. Superman's Kryptonian invulnerability doesn't work against magic, an enchanted sword or arrow pentrates his skin just as easily as it breaks the skin of a normal human. A magical spell to put him to sleep, paralyze him, shrink him to 6 inches tall or control his mind affects him just like it affects anyone else who doesn't have any special resistance to magic. Of course while magical weapons can seriously injure or even possibly kill him, they aren't much of a threat if wielded by someone who isn't fast enough to strike him (assuming Superman knows about the magical nature of the items and was trying to avoid getting hit) But magic isn't a "weakness" since Superman doesn't take damage just from being in the presence of magic like he does when exposed to Kryptonite, he doesn't lose his super-powers just being near magic objects or energies like he does in the presence of Kryptonite or when exposed to the rays from a red sun.
Stan Lee said galactis is the most powerful marvel character but fans know that's bs. And if the rock said superman is weak to magic he's clearly just a basic fan who spouts that line because it's what they were told. I don't think we should take what his says as facat
Superman isn't "weak" to magic, he's just vulnerable to it. He doesn't lose his powers, get sick or take damage just from being around magic or magic items, but his Kryptonian invulnerability doesn't work against magic. A magic weapon penetrates Superman's skin just as easily as the skin of a normal human.
This is just a money grab as usual. Black Adam should be fighting Shazam NOT Superman. Of course Superman would win so it just marketing thing to up box office. I personally don’t wanna Aden and Superman. I rather They build Shazam up as it’s more natural
Adam and Superman have clashed in the comics several times, usually to a stalemate. Not as often as Shazam, but in the movie universe now he's a brand-new hero who barely has any grasp of his powers so he's not much of a challenge.
For these statements I always just add the word 'known'. Superman is the strongest in the 'known' universe. Honestly with how premature the DCU still is, that kinda thinking feels dumb of them. Like how much do you actually know.. 😅
okay, nevermind
The reason for Black Adam's poor showing in the bullet scene with the kid is because of the "eternium forcefield that zapped him a few minutes earlier. Lingering weakness, similar to when the kryptonite gas weakened superman in Batman vs Superman and the nuke actually hurt the man if steel.
Good point! I’ll have to rewatch.
That’s what I thought as well.
Or the fact that bullets move the speed of sound and he was point blank range
@@fuqsamsung4481 no. Just no.
Yes. Normally a nuke would be ineffective against the man of steel. It would be completely ineffective against the motherbox resurrected version.
That part where he said “it’s Adam time” really got me bro, best moment in comic history
I pay my mind!!!
when he transforms into black adam and proclaims "I'm black now!" that to me was cinema...
@@KeyIssues imagine thinking that black Adam beats Superman easily 😂
“Tell them the man and black sent you” while ripping sabbok in half
Just watched black adam last night and that scene where he statued all the soldiers with the music was one of the best scenes in the dceu despite it being inconsistent
I think they were trying to make a point of how fast he really is
in the comics he’s like super super super super fast so they were tryna show how fast he is.
Why inconsistent? Adam has been shown to be as fast as jay garrick flash in comics
@@BruceWayne-xq7bb the bullets were still moving
@@BruceWayne-xq7bb The bullets SHOULD HAVE BEEN STILL! If he's going to even stand a CHANCE against dceu superman he has to be as fast. DCEU superman is mach 3644 and he would easily statue bullets, but when black adam used his speed, the bullets were moving.
Gotta give credit to the rock for actually listening to the fans
If we’re basing this on the comics, black Adam and Superman and pretty much dead even. You can make the argument that Superman is slightly stronger in brute strength, not by much. Where as Blavk Adam is more skilled and powerful. In the comics, they usually stalemate, if anything black Adam usually bests Superman in tye few times they’ve encountered each other
Black Adam is not immune to all physical attacks and superman is not weak to magic he just doesn’t have a resistance and black Adam was shown to have his own kind of kryptanite in Ethernem
Not having a resistance to magic is the same as not immune to it, a weakness. If you don't have a resistance to a cold, you get a cold.
I will say, if the whole thing of Superman being weak to magic isn't use in the DCEU than that changes things.
@@Anonymous-yh4ol no think about Pokemon. In Pokemon if you are weak to something, you take double damage. If you are resistant, you take half damage. Superman is neither weak nor resistant to magic, so he takes normal damage. Superman is weak to kryptonite and would therefore take extra damage from kryptonite.
@@Anonymous-yh4ol think about it like this ,humans ,anything aren't weak to bullets ,we just don't have a resistance to it ,like badgers,or bullet proof clothing.If I set a case of bullets down on a table we wouldn't all die.but if I shot you,then it's a different story
@@marcoscorpas2752 excellent explanation 👏
The DCEU characters are so freaking fast it’s unbelievable
You got Batman catching The Flash😭😭💀
Who do you think will win?
Lellas
Dwayne Johnson 🗿
This might be a challenge for Superman. Not as challenging as Doomsday, but…
Superman
Superman. I commented why.
Always appreciate your candor and neutral stance on these VS. videos. You keep me comin’ back lol, keep it up sir
Dr. Silvanus' quote: "only magic can hurt magic" comes from a place of magic versus a "normal" world and shouldn't be taken as factual. Where mortal weapons are not impressive to gods or beings like BA that get their powers from the gods, Superman is NOT normal and scales to the point where gods can be hurt by him. Superman can 100% hurt BA due to how powerful he is, just like he can hurt Darkseid who is also considered a god.
@@Anonymous-yh4ol by definition no. But they are rated "E" for everyone.
@@Anonymous-yh4ol and yet, he adapted at the end when was reintroduced to same kryptonian atmosphere that depowered him... he overcame it and destroyed the world engine.
@@Anonymous-yh4ol that is not true. You're referring to Superman returns and that video is not canon to the DCEU, which is largely based on the comics, the source material. In clthe comics, he can go anywhere.
@@Anonymous-yh4ol Darkseid is a New God and his powers are from the Source, which birthed the entirety of DC. New Gods use technology so advanced that it's basically magic, there's no difference aside from the aesthetic.
@@Anonymous-yh4ol it's not exactly his "anchor". He can go weeks without being near one due to his impressive ability to store energy or absorb other forms like cosmic.
I’m pretty sure the Rock is saying that Black Adam is the most powerful being in the universe, not Superman. Zeus is blatantly above Superman for casually separating the Mother Boxes which took all of Superman’s efforts and then some to. The explosion clearly affected him too.
im pretty sure zeus lightening bolts are even more powerful than black adams lightening bolts being said we all know how powerful zeus bolts are so it being able to separate the boxes shouldn't be a surprise, superman used his physical strength to separate the boxes n zeus didnt so...im just saying
Wrong
Finally someone who has commonsense black adam is the one who has been on the sidelines for to long
@@jonhperez6068 no
@@raemalli2570 maybe but Shazam has the power of Zeus so his lightning should be as powerful as Zeus’s and Black Adam should be equal to Shazam.
Don’t attack me!
I know you guys don’t agree on cross-scaling universes but would definitely love one day for a mass DCEU & MCU tier list from you guys and pretty sure secretly people would agree 👀
Totally
Black Adam is powered by magic but he doesn't cast magical spells, incantations, magical relics, or use any potions. He uses his strength, speed and lightning. Lightning which has the properties of normal lightning. He has never defeated Superman in their previous confrontations in comics.
He’s been close tho in the comics cause of magic theirs no denying that.
now I think dc is gonna do they own thing like marvel like I think the DCEU is it’s own thang ya feel and they doin they own story so I wouldn’t say Superman isn’t beatable here like we don’t know a lot about our Superman either we don’t know all his weaknesses so I mean gotta give all dat a chance to happen
@@6ixallah No. Black Adam has never come close to beating Superman. Look it up. Four times they’ve fought, Clark basically fodderized him in every single instance.
Yoo this is exactly what I have been saying
BA can't cast no spells whatsoever and as far as we know he doesn't know anything about SM so how would he beat him? The only way they fighting is had to hand combat with each using their own powers and belive me SM will beat his as..
We have seen SM fight so many badass Godlike villains we know how strong is
Plus we have superman 1million😂
@@Wanzitv might want to check up on that. Writer Geoff John's has stated that Shazam can cast spells and that he is actually an adept spell castor. He just doesn't use it. Especially after the Shazam family has aquired the book of champions. Which allows them to cast spells independently of using the actual SHAZAM spell itself. Given this Shazam and BA could become very powerful spellcasters they just don't focus on that /written that way...
@@Wanzitv his lightning would be magically created. He just doesn’t need spells. His punches would count as magical in nature. Think back to in Shazam when Shazam got punched by the bad guy. He was hurt, because the punch is enhanced magically simply based on them being magical beings
2:35 INCORRECT. Superman was resistant to magic when wonder woman tried to use the lasso of truth on him. He IS resistant to magic in the DCEU. Of course they could just be sadly inconsistent like every other franchise.
superman !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
he win always he is the best !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SUPERMAN IS THE MOST POWERFUL BEING IN THE WHOLE UNIVERSE [INCLUDE MARVELS ]
The fact that you have peacemaker higher tiered than bat man is hilarious
*SUPERMAN crushed fates helmet with ease did you see that seen*
@@supermanonemillion7222 that’s from an unrelated game (injustice 2) not canon to dceu
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*Bro superman is immune to magic' PROVE ( superman and Lois season 2 episode 14 and 15) Justice leaque 2017 / 2021*
*In the comics superman is immune to godly and Devine magic he's also immune to reality and energy warping attacks with transmutation magic PROVE ------ ORION comics lord of order comics sandman comics also see darkseid capt Blaze in hell ( NOT even Dr Manhattan could distort supetman)*
*(Zack Snyder said superman is the most powerful force in the universes)*
Yeah shits wack in the bottom end lol dude has Aries at god and Wonder Woman in D tier and she waxed him when she was damn near a teenager lol
Kal-El has the entire Kryptonian genome so he's constantly evolving. Didn't Suoerman sneeze once and obliterated an entire solar system. Black Adam is a strong character, but he ain't holding water to Kal-El .
Obviously that battle is gonna happen💀☠️💀
Who will win, Dwayne Johnson's ego/cinematic persona or decades of comic lore and the passions of millions of fans?
To be fair, it's kinda who wins, the one who brings more comic sales or the one who (possibly) brings in more movie sales. I guess it depends on which format they are fighting in. I predict a tie to not piss anyone off
Superman isn't weak to magic he just dosen't have a resistance to it. So yes WW laso can work on him but it dosen't mean he can't fight the will of the laso like he did in Justice League.
By this logic Superman wouldn't have a resistance to Black Adams attacks and Black Adams attacks would be similar to that of a Kryptonian.
The whole only magic can hurt magic is tricky though. I feel like that will be dropped or at least it will be stated that super strong characters like Superman, Doomsday, Darkseid can hurt magic beings.
In Justice League his unstable mental state immediately after being resurrected is probably why the lasso had minimal effect. And yes, the will of the individual is a key factor in determining how long they can resist the lasso. But magical attacks that deal damage (like magic weapons, or the energy from Diana's bracers, or Adam's lightning) would affect Superman as if he were a normal human. Those bypass his Kryptonian invulnerability.
@@neospock5034 I know. That's what I said..... He dosen't have a resistance to it.......
Superman beat steppen wolf, who was on par strength wise with the likes of Zeus and all the gods of Olympus
Othing a sun dipped Supes can't handle. BA has no shot. That is how strong Superman is.
I'll say.. Superman win easily.
While I do think that Superman will win against Black Adam if they fought, it wouldn't be an easy fight. Superman is vulnerable to magic, and Black Adam definitely compares to Superman in terms of physical power. Also, Superman being stated to be the most powerful being in the universe isn't even a fair assessment because of Darkseid. Snyder cut or not, Darkseid himself is set up to be more powerful than even Superman, so the assumption that Superman is the most powerful being in the DCEU just isn't true.
Like I still don't know how he's going to win against superman I mean someone who's definitely stronger than anything you could find on the planet Earth or outside and nothing has ever scratch his skin nor knock him out on his feet completely without a sign of getting back up except using kryptonite and unity of the three mother boxes that on another level of power yeah I like the fact that only a magical being can hurt another magical being but let pick wonder woman as an example, she is complete magical I mean by blood she's got her mother's blood whom is an Amazon (beings living for over and over 5000 years) and his father Zeus a True god not just a God but king of all Greek most powerful gods I can say it she's absolutely magical and we saw how she did against superman does it look like magic can actually hurt superman nah I don't think so yeah black Adam is so much different from Wonder woman being granted 7 different abilities from 7 different God's but you need to understand something having their abilities doesn't mean he has all their strengths I mean all their True potential as a god but I don't know only Warner Bros has all the answers
I think it’s a misconception that Shazam or Black Adam have the full power of 6 gods. Id say they have a piece of their power (and in Shazam’s case 2 are Demi gods and one is mortal)
I don’t think Black Adam or Shazam is more powerful than Zeus. Shazam only has a bit of his power, not the full power of him.
The bullet scene is an outlier due to Black Adam consistently showing near light speed flight and combat speed. If you recall the first encounter with the military forces he is able to casually fly around while his magic enhanced lightning is barely moving.
He then later out speeds a craft that is moving so fast it passes through physical matter.
Lastly he is able to travel half way across the world in a two to three seconds, to catch marble statue that is over a million pounds.
The statement is fallacious because unfortunately Earth is within the Universe and Earth is where Superman resides. So if Black Adam is the strongest being on Earth, then Superman is included in that scale.
That's why you go in feats and take statements outside the verse as supplementals that yield to feats
Superman is an alien and should not fall under earthly rules!!!
Adam wins, supe's powered by our sun, take sun away he loses his power even without kryptonite which Adam could do by flying him into space as supe is really only supposed to be able to jump originally or via magic
I really don’t think anyone involved with any of the dc movies knowns the material or probably just looked at the pictures in the comics and said I got the gist of it.
Let's see.....Supes is stronger, faster, smarter, has more powers , more durable. Suoes has only the irritation of magic. Not a full weakness. Superman would win 6 out of 10 times imo. 7 if bloodlusted, no holding back.
The whole reason I believe Superman would win is he has an innate ability to reach down deep and do the seemingly impossible out of sheer will power. Superman returns lifting the kryptonite island, turning back time, repairing an earthquake...too many times he has done the impossible by sheer will alone.
i dont get the whole tin foil hat thing of superman being weak to magic, i mean in the comics he isnt even weak to kryptonite anymore, it has been proven ( i can find the issues for you if you dont believe me so you can even read them) that superman is "weak" to magic or kryptonite just because he thinks he is weak , so it makes him vunerable, its just a mental barrier that he has broken numerous times, when he defeated disciple, an ancient god that his magic could destroy mulitverse realities.
when wonder woman, had a magic sword made of kryptonite and did nothing to him, when he wore a kryptonite ring and punching Kara, when he moved the whole krypton planet while under the red sun, even lex said it him self that he aint weak to nothing he just think he is weak . people should start read more comics and dont base their "scaling/feats' out of animation movies only.
It’s an annoying myth that has permeated in the smoothest brain circles of comic casuals.
@@KeyIssues i mean dont get me wrong mate i like what the rock is doing, he starts listen to the fans and maybe reads a bit more comics or have some advisors that know stuff, but they should up the game a bit . I know some stuff gotta be cinematic and not really make sense, but at least they can try.
@@KeyIssues have you seen thor fans? Lmao they think he can solo anything and any verse ,talk about smooth brains
It's not "weak to magic", it's that his Kryptonian invulnerability doesn't work against it. A magic sword cuts Superman's skin as easily as it cuts human flesh, magic spells affect him just like they affect anyone who doesn't have any special resistance to magic. It's not a mental or force of will thing, magic simply bypasses how his powers function.
@@neospock5034 ok you probably havent read the comics then, its fine mate .as i said before this has been debunked, its not 1990 there are new issues out that explain it. he is vunerable to magic and kryptonite cause he thinks he is weak. just read the comics im referring to.
I do believe that superman would loose to black Adam due to superman’s common weakness to magic
In terms of the feat of resisting the lasso of truth, I believe that this was the result of superman’s mental state at the as his mind was clearly not yet as resurrected as his body, and his pause was attempting to remember as his mind began to clear though he quickly reverted to fight after he was unable to recall himself which he would soon begin to do as he start to rapidly recall memory once in contact of Batman and then Lois
He does not have a weakness to magic he is just very vulnerable
@@gameslol948 so a weakness???
No
It seems like they are not using the whole thing of Superman being weak to magic in the DCEU.
If u think superman loses to black Adam then tht !eans u think Thor beats superman aswell since Thor's lightning is magic and he uses it almos takeays in his fights so if black Adam beats superman so does Thor
Superman is far faster than B.A.
Superman - Indestructible with limitless stamina as long as he can see the sun
Black Adam - Indestructible with limitless stamina, period.
I don't believe that either one is capable of actually harming the other in hand-to-hand combat.
Unlimited stamina but can be put down temporarily by a punch from atom smasher.. So yea.. Brute force can hurt him too... And superman is no smasher.. A similar punch can be lethal right!
Can we get a history of the characters from "The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" comics?
Maybe you can still hurt magic users if you’re more powerful than them. Basically overpower their magic
Yes, I made a comment about this. I say nobody is invulnerable. That’s a fallacy. You just have to meet the minimum requirements to hurt them. It’s like someone saying armor is invulnerable to swords. You just need a good enough sword to break through the defenses capabilities of the armor. Same with any fictional character. The only characters that can truly be invulnerable are the absolute pinnacle of a particular fictional series
Question are you a black adam fan or super man fan I'm thinking you're more of a black adam fan you left some very key points of superman powers out and I'm not even a super man fan but I can tell you super man will mop the floor with black adam easily
Regarding the lasso superman he wasn’t really resisting the lasso as even steppenwolf shares the same feat it’s just that they are so powerful the burn damage the lasso is inflicting on them isn’t meant to be that strong as even a human aka Steve was able to resist for a few seconds tho it did hurt he was just an ordinary man so he is still immune to magic it’s just not meant to kill people mainly torcher them
Also since superman scales above peak Gods like Zeus weaker Gods weapons like the lasso wouldn’t effect him
Is there a way I can watch the entire tier list showed in the video
Better question to ask. Was it its own video or not?
I have not made a video on the DCEU tier list. The list is still being worked on.
Thanks for the info. Will be there as soon as it comes out.
So on one hand one demon of the 6 can fight relative to fate who is relative or just below the likes of Zeus/ares but he has 6 demons powering him so he’s clearly above the gods but by a huge margin I assume yet adam wen actuslly going all out can rip him in half ? I feel that feat on its own puts rage adam on top
But Supes cutting loose matches or exceeds that rage as well.
@@davidselawsky6620 mmm this is what I’m iffy about mate cause I totally get people can see superman hitting Adam about all day maby not damaging Adam but hitting him about but let’s be frank their plans for future stuff we know it’s gonna be even with the rock stating he can’t say which way it’ll go and that at the moment Shazam or superman can’t stop him right now
rage adam is on top for now yes but lets say superman lets loose like really is in to put adam down. Lets say superman see's him as a doomsday type of threat n goes all out to beat adam it can change stuff tbh n im pretty sure atom smasher hardest punch and hawkman's hardest hit with his fist or his mace isn't as powerful as superman's hardest hit.
@@davidselawsky6620 i think if superman goes rage he's debatably more stronger than rage adam
@@raemalli2570 yeah but again we’ve established they could only get the chance to hit him when he wasn’t going all out and didn’t know the levels of people he’s dealing with and he’s never faced powerful beings before, when Hawkman comes at him in the apartment adam starts using his real speed and hawkman is useless, and let’s not act like any of their hits adam actually felt
I think sooner or later Shazam is gonna team up with Sups to fight BA. I want to see a team up between Sups and Shazam.
If Superman takes a swim in the sun, versus charging up from a distance, he becomes several times stronger and faster than he already is. Movies do not do Superman justice. They portray him as being limited. A sun-charged Superman flies at several times faster than the speed of light and can move entire planets. If Superman is charged, it is not a contest, even with Black Adam's magic.
I see the bullet scene as more of an outlier because it completely contradicts with everything else about him, you can't tell me that Black Adam, the guy who in the comics has kept up with both Superman and Shazam is as slow as a bullet. It doesn't make sense.
Yes Superman would win. He always does. BAs power set is magic and Superman is vulnerable to that
We know superman would win, but the question is does black Adam have a chance to beat superman. And that’s a yes as Shazam has shown he’s able to in 2 quick punches and black Adam is as powerful if not more powerful than superman.
Superman would not win. He usually needs help to fight Black Adam.
@@munoken he would get beat up pretty bad. But Superman would win in the end
@@jeremyhendry6116 with help from Captain Marvel maybe but alone, Supes is getting rekt.
@@munoken Black adam could barely statue the bullets in his movie, superman is mach 3644 in the DCEU, which already makes superman MUCH faster than black adam. Superman has much more strength and durability feats, IQ and abilities. He also has more power
I don’t think superman was resistant to magic in terms of wonder woman’s lasso. I might be wrong but I believe it is explained in the first Wonder Woman movie that the lasso burns Steve until he just tells the truth, not actually magically compelled to tell the truth, and this would make sense as superman does seem to flinch at first when the lasso hits him, but he can take the burning pain. I might be completely wrong tho, I haven’t seen that movie in a while
Based off that statue feat of Black Adam, which as far as I can tell is best strength feat that he at a very conservative lowball could lift ateast 20 tons. Just using an estimate based on the estimated weight of the Colossus of Rhodes. I dunno how tall it was or its composition but I'd guess limestone.
The statue of Black Adam in the movie not the Colususs of Rhodes
BLM says Black panther would win
Superman v Atlas ! Atlas was magical and Superman found a way to beat him!
Who would win Kamala Harris or Michael B Jordan?
Folks! Superman can create static electricity by using his bio-electric aura!!! HIs will is unmatched.
Unfortunately he's not a green lantern, his powers aren't dependent upon will- just his pain tolerance and endurance.
That's a no limits falicy argument, don't take it literally
If I put Goku in the DCEU and he went Blue Kaioken x20, would he not hurt Black Adam because he's not using magic?
If I put Ganondorf in Marvel 616 would he beat everyone because no one has the Master Sword?
No, not really. I said in the video Black Adam and Superman should be somewhat relative based on feats, but Black Adam has two distinct advantages. If Superman was 1000s of times more powerful, then that would be a completely different story.
Eh
Dragon ball Z in itself is magic
Goku solos BA and SM alone lol alreast his ultra instinct form does they won’t be able to touch him
@@DarkWorld_Vault in the cinematic universe, yes. But strongest form of Superman in the comics wipes Goku without a thought
Dr fate in the movie is seriously nerfed. In the comics, pretty much every time when black Adam fights dr fate, dr fate mops the floor with him.
I'm intringued by the DC tier list you're showing at 7:47
Is there a video in which you explain how you made it ? Thanks
I do not, but it’s also not completely finished
Yeah I feel like there’s a lot that doesn’t add up like there being a version of Superman lower then a version of black manta
@@KeyIssues thanks for the answer. Will there be one ? Also, do you plan on finishing your Star Wars tier list ?
How was that a poor showing the gun was only centimeters from his head and black Adam was damn near across the room
They = imo
The two are equally matched in areas like strength, speed, flight, and special abilities. However, Black Adam's powers specifically derive from one of Superman's weaknesses: magic.
Superman isn’t weak to magic, he is vulnerable to it. No more so than any other hero. Common misconception. Superman stomps.
Superman wins all the way
BuT tHe RoCk SaId
Great video I hope black Adam is a good movie
No, Black Adam can be hurt by blunt force trauma.
Yes, both Black Adam and Superman can be hurt by physical force of high enough magnitude.
Not getting stronger just getting familiarized
Just watched black Adam, can’t wait to see the vid
Bro this guy looks like bad bunny
why wouldn’t they just have superman wear dr fates helmet and then fight black adam and win
I think it's entirely possible that they are gonna go the route of the animated movie "The Return of Black Adam" (only tweaked ro better suit Black Adam's anti-hero status) where initially, Clark fights Black Adam and they match up really well until Black Adam busts out the magic and we find out that Superman is vulnerable to it. This would be the point where he starts needing help from Shazam and together they take Black Adam down.
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As a side note, nothing in the Justice League movie indicates Slerman is resisting Wonder Woman's lasso. That's a very particular interpretation and not the most straight forward one either. Look at the Wonder Woman movie where Steve Trevor jobs is captured and subjected to the Lasso's effects. It compels him to speak the truth but in between questions he is fully aware of the fact it's affecting him and he tries to struggle against it (except ully reateained and can do nothinf to escape it. Despite that though, even HE manages to resist it's effects temporarily. Compare that to Justice League where Diana is compelling Superman to see the truth. Clark is clearly affected and is seeing something in his head however, you can also see that become a aware that it's affecting him (just like Steve Trevor) but unlike Steve, he's not fully restrained and is able to overpower Wonder Woman and escape the Lasso's effect. Basically, This shows that Clark is clearly affected by the magic - at least as much as a normal human and the only difference is that once he realises this, he is able to escape the effects.
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I'm not sure how we get to the notion that Dr Sivana is anywhere near Shazam or the Gods themselves. Diana only gets an upper hand on Shazam because of experience and Shazam having no idea about his powers or how to use them AND the fact he's still a kid and is intimidated by the idea of a nasty guy who is actually able to hurt him. We see that the Shazam family (who only have a set portion of Shazam's overall power) are able to easily overpower each individual Sin and even all together, Sivana is not on the same level of Shazam. Moreover, he uses the Wizard's staff to clearly empowerhimself to some degree so overall, he should not be on that level.
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Also, Dr Fate should realistically be top tier as well. He was able to outright defeat one of the demons powering Sabbac and those are, according to your assumptions, comparable to the Gods powering Shazam and Black Adam. Yet you have those Gods (Zeus and Ares for example) a tier above Dr Fate. It just doesn't add up or make logical sense.
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Finally, on the subject of anti-feats, unfortunately you HAVE to take into consideration that not everyone is operating at peak efficiency ALL THE TIME. That's not the case in real world competitions and it's not the case in these kinds of showdowns either. Flash is not always running at maximum speed for example. There's also the fact that sometimes, cinematography and "rule of cool" just take priority over precise and consistent power scaling. The example of Black Adam only just managing to react to a bullet is clearly one of these examples.
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As a side note, I'd also argue that Black Adam is more powerful than Sabbac. Yes, Sabbac did really well again at him but Hawkman did better against him than he did against Black Adam and we also have to remember that Teth is not used ro fighting people who are on the same level as him - let alone ones that can genuinely hurt him - which Sabbac clearly could. In the end, Black Adam "raging" is just him unleashing more power but without control due to anger in the same way that humans often get stronger but less controlled in fits of anger. When channelling this power properly, he was clearly more powerful than Sabbac since he ripped the guy in half. Anyway, just points I thought were worth bringing up and hopefully they are of some help moving forward.
Super man lol 😂 u know this
Someone else might of said it already but it might jaut be a godzilla vs king Kong thing when superman and black adam do fight but come up against someone or thing more fierce
One problem I called back my Trillions of Buddies just as strong as any of us? Good luck with your flipping stories.
I think Black Adam will fight Superman in Shazam 3, wherein Black Adam will win and (either through the Wizard Shazam, or manipulation by Amanda Waller), Shazam will fight Black Adam.
Shazam on paper has enough strength, but is far less experienced of a fighter and less brutal so he gets his ass whooped as well. He almost is killed, but Billy reverts back to a kid, and this gives Teth-adam pause, as he sees his own son in Billy.
From here, Shazam and Superman either come back for a Round 3 and win, or Superman lets Shazam handle it and Shazam wins alone in Round 3.
Ngl I get why supes is top of verse and why he should have the edge based of what we have so far but I must say if and when the movie comes out (supes vs Adam) I can see it going either way
I think it’s worth noting that Sabbac is described as being equal to Black Adam in the Macfarlane figure
However we learn in the movie he’s not
@@theocooper9816 based off what I’ve seen I’d call that Rage Amps or something for Adam, allowing him to punch above his pay grade
Sad to hear henry cavill wont be playing superman anymore.
Hey guys I got a question. Are they still keeping that only magic could extinguish magic. So that means black Adam could only be hurt by magic
I feel like y’all are taking statements too literal. Let’s bring it to comics and work our way up. One of Superman’s powers is that he’s invulnerable. But that’s not true, nobody is truly invulnerable. It’s just a high durability. For instance, shoot a regular handgun at at Superman, the bullet bounces off or just falls down. But get some super advanced weaponry and now suddenly, you can hurt him. A regular dude punches Superman, you’d just break your hand or worse. Suddenly get a super strong person and they can make Superman bleed. So not invulnerable. So that takes me to magic. People like to always say he’s not weak to magic and he just doesn’t have any invulnerability to it. Well I just described how he’s not invulnerable at all, just has high durability. It applies to magic as well. Weak magic will be like the bullet from the handgun, not effect him much if at all. But get powerful magic and it’s a different story.
Moving on to the DCEU, I view it as the same. The lasso didn’t effect supes because it simply wasn’t strong enough. Simple as that.
Looking at the magical beings however, I view it as the same concept. Wonder Woman is a god. At the very least a semi god. The wizard Shazam pulls his magic from the Greek pantheon which she is a part of. Meaning, she should have that same sort of resistance as well. But she still his hurt by non magical means. So it’s most likely the same as with superman. Simply meet the minimum requirements to do them harm. Most magic probably meets the minimum requirements to harm magical beings. Thus they say only magic can hurt magic. Which is why they use the magical missiles, because it meets the minimum level to hurt Adam and is such more advanced then anything they have outside of nukes. Superman would scale beyond that minimum requirement to harm magical beings. Thus making him able to harm or kill black Adam. Also the statement of superman being the most powerful being in the universe is clearly hype propaganda and shouldn’t be taken as fact.
great explanation on invulenrability- however It's been clarified repeatedly in the comics and animation that Superman's Kryptonian durability/toughness does NOT work against magical attacks- those affect him the same as they affect normal humans. There is the issue of weak vs strong magic but that's very difficult to quantify. So while bullets bounce off Superman's skin, a magical sword cuts his skin as easily as it cuts a normal human. So magic weapons/artifacts are very dangerous to him, although his super-speed makes it difficult for anyone who doesn't also have super-speed to pose a serious threat. And yes, Superman's power scaling on the offenseive side is enough to damage beings like Shazam and Black Adam, who are so durable that they seem invulnerable to conventional attacks. The "only magic can hurt magic" is also propaganda of sorts.
In Superman/Shazam First Thunder, Superman was shown having a much tougher time fighting a bunch of magically summoned creatures than Captain Marvel/Shazam did. Their attacks affected Superman more than Marvel (who as Earth's champion against magical threats, has specific resistance against it). Conversely, we've seen in encounters against aliens and non-magical threats that Superman's durability exceeeds that of Captain Marvel/Shazam. They both shrug off bullets, bombs and conventional earth weapons with ease but Superman can tank more extreme damage without being hurt.
@@neospock5034 maybe it’s because it’s comics and things change depend on who’s writing, but people have stated feats where Superman tanks magic attacks. So either it changes because of comic bullshit or it’s how I described it.
Black adams biggest advantage is Dwayne Johnson clause that he can’t loose a fight in his contract
Nice video! Suggestion: Make a video about dr fate’s power level!
Like if you think Dr Fate is being nerfed in DCEU
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It would be very cool to see a form of brother eye story in dceu now. So many heroes and BA is an anti hero... batfleck already has these visions where supes goes bad.... they could do some form of tower of babel mixed with brother eye for jl2 and if all goes well jl3 and jl4 can be darkseid.
Brie Larson mixed this up as well. Captain Marvel is powerful, Hulk is strong(captain marvel would still ratio hulk though). Superman is strong and powerful, in some aspects, but, Black Adam has magic. So he'd win.
I thought Dr Fates power is greater than that of the old Gods since Nabu is a cosmic entity.
Isn't Diana magically powered as well
Yes Diana is magically (or divinely) powered too, but DC doesn't treat the source of someone's power being magical as equivalent to using magic directly. So while Black Adam and Diana are super-strong, their bare-handed physical attacks are treated the same as those from aliens or someone wearing high-tech power armor that grants super-strength. Superman's vulnerability to magic doesn't come into play in those scenarios (logically it should, but it doesn't). So Superman's Kryptonian durability/toughness still applies when fighting opponents whose speed/strength is magically granted. Otherwise one full-strength punch from beings like Diana, Shazam or Black Adam would instantly shatter his skeleton and kill him.
But Superman's Kryptonian durability/toughness doesn't work against objects which are enchanted (like magic swords or spears) or against direct magical attacks like spells. Those bypass his invulnerability and affect Superman just like they affect normal humans. So while Wonder Woman punching him with her fist would hurt, he could take it. just as he could take a punch from Zod or Faora. But Diana blasting magical energy from her bracers or wielding a magical sword are things he doesn't have any defense against. So spells and direct use of magical energy are a big problem for him. While magical weapons are dangerous, someone still needs to be super-fast in order to hit Superman with those, provided he's aware of their intentions and is trying to avoid getting hit.
@@neospock5034 thank you
Let’s go
Black Adam scaling dropped
We don't actually know if Adam NEEDED help
Superman does not brags about his powers and does not challenge others like adam.but when time comes he will find the way.Dont forget he turn also the time back in his firsts movies.without magic :)
Superman ain't got sh!t on Black Adam. Black Adams been Beast mode since the beginning of comics. 💪🏾🙌🏾👌🏾
Yo you have black manta above mos superman?
Superman should and could fly straight to the sun with or without black adam. And it would be ultimate power up, and we have not seen what kryptonite eye lazers does to ancient magical man. But Black adam could use kryptonite and superman has weaknesess like a louis lane who Black adam could kidnap if superman does not eat kryptone or something like that Louis dies..
Superman wins based off of what we’ve seen so far. I don’t see black Adam beating doomsday from BVS…
Superman… “nebulouslyyyyyy”. Lololol
In my opinion according to DC universe scaling superman is the most powerful hero on planet earth an has been around but black adam has been on the sidelines for a while and because of that he should be the most powerful being in the universe
Brute Force can still hurt the Shazams......that saying is metaphoric to an extent...just like "fight fire with fire"
If this is the case than this movie is going to be dumb as hell! Those rules need to be changed.
Isn't superman susceptible to magic? "I'm all about magic"
Yes Superman is susceptible to magic- at least in the comics. We don't know about the DCEU since he hasn't gone against anyone using magic against him other than Wonder Woman using her lasso to try and subdue a recently resurrected Kal-El. But we assume the same probably applies in the movies.
We just need to keep in mind that magic is a vulnerability or susceptibility for Superman, not a weakness. That means magic affects him just like it affects eveeryday people, he doesn't have any special resistance against magic. Superman's Kryptonian invulnerability doesn't work against magic, an enchanted sword or arrow pentrates his skin just as easily as it breaks the skin of a normal human. A magical spell to put him to sleep, paralyze him, shrink him to 6 inches tall or control his mind affects him just like it affects anyone else who doesn't have any special resistance to magic. Of course while magical weapons can seriously injure or even possibly kill him, they aren't much of a threat if wielded by someone who isn't fast enough to strike him (assuming Superman knows about the magical nature of the items and was trying to avoid getting hit)
But magic isn't a "weakness" since Superman doesn't take damage just from being in the presence of magic like he does when exposed to Kryptonite, he doesn't lose his super-powers just being near magic objects or energies like he does in the presence of Kryptonite or when exposed to the rays from a red sun.
@@neospock5034 it was rhetorical. Hence the Shazam paraphrased quote from Batman Superman public enemies
Stan Lee said galactis is the most powerful marvel character but fans know that's bs. And if the rock said superman is weak to magic he's clearly just a basic fan who spouts that line because it's what they were told. I don't think we should take what his says as facat
Superman isn't "weak" to magic, he's just vulnerable to it. He doesn't lose his powers, get sick or take damage just from being around magic or magic items, but his Kryptonian invulnerability doesn't work against magic. A magic weapon penetrates Superman's skin just as easily as the skin of a normal human.
Superman with the helmet of fate....... maybe? (that would be awesome!)
This is just a money grab as usual. Black Adam should be fighting Shazam NOT Superman. Of course Superman would win so it just marketing thing to up box office. I personally don’t wanna Aden and Superman. I rather They build Shazam up as it’s more natural
Adam and Superman have clashed in the comics several times, usually to a stalemate. Not as often as Shazam, but in the movie universe now he's a brand-new hero who barely has any grasp of his powers so he's not much of a challenge.
For these statements I always just add the word 'known'. Superman is the strongest in the 'known' universe. Honestly with how premature the DCU still is, that kinda thinking feels dumb of them. Like how much do you actually know.. 😅
Darkseid
I'm a huge Kal-el fan, but ain't no being messing with True Darkseid!