God is infinite we are finite. God is both transcendent and immanent. God makes themself known to us finite beings in a way we can perceive. As we change and grow/learn we may perceive more. God is not subject to any particular or singular form. Form obeys his will and will always be in accord with his chosen image.
Geneva Bible 1511 -- Numbers 23:19 God is not as man, that he should lie, neither as the son of man, that he should repent; Hath he said, and shall he not do it? And hath he spoken, and shall he not accomplish it?
@@s8g171 I’ve tried to find out too but haven’t been able to find out who this singer is. Could be Israeli. I know there are various melodies to it, but this melody is well known so other singers have recorded it. I found a version on RUclips with lyrics in Hebrew and English, so one can sing along. Maybe I can find my sheet music for it. There might be a clue.
No matter what anyone thinks of JC, I will NEVER understand why it is that xians (when they read John 17) believe that JC is God. If you even read the "good news" (NT) and IF you even take it to be authentic "cannon" (I DO NOT), JC clearly states I AM NOT GOD.
Most Christians are given dire warnings from early childhood that they are doomed to hell for eternity unless they believe in Jesus as their ONLY saviour. And vilify "Christ Killer" Jews. This is the problem.
From the Tanakh: Jeremiah 23:5-6: Speaking of Messiah (and His divinity): “Behold, the days are coming,” declares the Lord, “When I will raise up for David a righteous Branch; And He will reign as king and act wisely And do justice and righteousness in the land. “In His days Judah will be saved, And Israel will dwell securely; And this is His name by which He will be called, ‘The Lord our righteousness.’" Key points: 1) raised up by God from David's line. 2) reigning as king. 3) salvation and peace. 4) called by the name "the Lord our Righteousness." (YHWH ṣiḏ·qê·nū)
Rabbi Tovia Singer, what you said about boxing is very interesting, you know, in Islam boxing is also forbidden, hiting in the face was prohibited by the prophet Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, so it seems that orthodox Jews and Muslims have many things in common
I think that the Father himself could come from heaven and tell a trinitarian that he is the only true God, and the trinitarian would find some reason to deny it.
*Belinda Brubaker:* I can't believe nobody's bothered to answer you yet! The song is call "Adon Olam", and if you contact Rabbi Singer, he'll send it to you.
@Abraham Mani so because a book says so is what you're following? Please understand there's thousands of gods to be known throughout history nine times out of 10 they were found to just be humans who wanted to use the godly role in order to have power and control now if you look at that today you will clearly see it stems from that and the things that are mentioned in the Bible are things that were already mentioned in other storylines with other godlike entities but no one can prove one of the other... And if you can't prove it why would you be able to believe it without falsifying your own perception in order for it to fit the narrative in which your expecting your eternal life to be like under the Christian or Jewish laws .... But when you look at other religious cultures and they have differences only people with higher religious beliefs are the ones who deny whose other god it's not greater than theirs.... And this is why wars famine pestilence as well as just a true hatred for another who believes in something differently you can no longer be associated with because their God is not yours so how do we have a clean environment purified with these beliefs that no one can prove yet still will die for no matter the causes.... If there was no religion no one would have as much of discontent with another person thereby taking away all bigotry as well as inflammatory words that consistently bring out the bad roots from their religious cultures...
From the Tanakh: (About Messiah, his clan and birthplace, and divinity) Micah 5:2 "But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Too little to be among the clans of Judah, From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel. His goings forth are from long ago, From the days of eternity.” (compare with the John 8: 58 verse: "Jesus said to them, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM.'”)
We Muslim tried to explained to the christians so many times by using same quotes from the old testament that jesus can't be god but still they refuse to acknowledge.
Thats because you are an Unitarian Christian. 99% of debates are involving Trinatrian Christians so Muslims will debate likewise. Depending on your definition "Jesus is God's ONLY "begotten" Son" what you should be doing is to convince your fellow Christians instead and make them "acknowledge" instead. We dont have to acknowledge that Jesus was not a God cause Muslims dont have that problem.
Dont despair about that too much. Consider the fact that Rabbi Singer and his practice and capacity for that particular mission is immense and fine tuned. Plus we must not overlook the barrier of blind faith, emotional attachment and plain old ignorance. Plus they have a bias towards Muslims do to political events that will often times block your message.
Two reasons I can give. Christians are in idolatry, and God promised that he will give delusion and confusion to those who disobey so that they will believe any crap. Or, maybe it's like Moses. Moses was like Elohim (Exodus 7:1). Man was made in the image of God, and one extreme interpretation of that idea would allow some men or one man to be able to EXACTLY resemble/represent God, thus being God to others who aren't as close to God. Also, Lev 26:12 "I will walk among you and be your God". Christians apply this verse to Jesus who walked among them. And is their God.
Who was one of the three person when met Abraham in Genesis 18:1-3 ...1. " Now the Lord appeared to Abraham by the oaks of Mambre" while he was....3. " My Lord,...." ???
Do NOT be Wrong.those THREE PERSONS Are NEVER EVER a triune god who Appeared to PROPHET Abraham(PBUH).THOSE PERSONS ARE ONLY ANGELS OF THE LORD WHO APPEARED TO PROPHET Abraham(PBUH).
I am a Christian who knows Jesus is the messiah. PAUL twisted things and then the trinity came about. We need to worship God, Jesus said this. Jesus will be our King when the kingdom returns and it will happen when worship God. The one true God. Blessed thank you.
Dennis Velez i worship God and God alone so I am allways right. however if you worship Jesus as God and he is not Then you have broken the First and Most Important Comnandment Thall Shall Worship Nothing Before God 😉
I asked a Christian yesterday who is the spirit of Jesus if the holy spirit is an independent 3rd person that cannot be the son according to thier own doctrine. His eyes rolled back in his head!! It was just too much to handle! I mean 1900 years and no one has asked this question?
Yehoshua, the Time Traveller - our risen Kinsman Redeemer. That is Jesus' full, real name which means "Yehovah is our salvation". (See/read leading, Spirit-filled Karaite Jew and Hebrew scholar Nehemia Gordon ... nehemiaswall.com)
YIshis Lassie wait wait wait.... He's a time traveling lych warlock thing now? Which can also raise people from the dead. Cure people with his flesh and blood? Yea that's called a straight up vampire or something.
Jesus Contradicts the Prophet Ezekiel on the Resurrection We are all familiar with the story about the seven brothers who each in turn marry the same woman. The question is “In the resurrection therefore, which one's wife will she be? For all seven had married her." [Luke 20:33] And Jesus answered “"The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage, but those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; for they cannot even die anymore, because they are like angels, and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.”” [Luke 20:34-36] Jesus’ answer contradicts the prophecy concerning the resurrection which is in chapter 37 of Ezekiel. “”neither marry nor are given in marriage”” The Prophet Ezekiel received his prophecy from God, [Ezekiel 1:3] and his description of the resurrection of the dead [Ezekiel chapter 37] is the most detailed in the entire Bible, IMO. Read it if you have not read it before. “”Therefore prophesy and say to them, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "Behold, I will open your graves and cause you to come up out of your graves, My people”” [verse 12] “”"My servant David will be king over them, and they will all have one shepherd; and they will walk in My ordinances and keep My statutes and observe them.”” [Verse 24] ““They will live on the land that I gave to Jacob My servant, in which your fathers lived; and they will live on it, they, and their sons and their sons' sons, forever; and David My servant will be their prince forever.”” [Verse 25] “”their sons and their sons' sons”” doesn’t this suggest that men and women will be married, and marry and have children? Doesn’t Jesus’ comment in Luke 20 contradict this? “”I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant with them And I will place them and multiply them, and will set My sanctuary in their midst forever.””[Verse 26] “”multiply them”” Of course they will be married and marry in the resurrection. It says that God will multiply them. Jesus wasn’t even smart enough to avoid contradicting Ezekiel. How can Jesus be God?
Christianity is a polytheistic religion. The worship Jesus, but also a seperate god- But .some think they are one of the same. Many Catholics (particulalrly in Italy) regard Mary as a sort of goddess
Fletcher Mulligan. If you don't know what you are talking about(and you don't) ask/research before you type, that way you will avoid publicly looking foolish.
Numbers 23:19 "God is not a man ... ." Context! Context! Context! What does the rest of the verse read? I was a non-trinitarian Christian; who would never have used that verse to disprove the Trinity; it would be 'twisting the scripture' to make it mean something other than what the writer meant it to be. Feel free to reply. Shalom
no not that ,but there are a lot more explicit clear verses than that!! its either that you didnt read the bible !! or you just read what you want😀!! im not being rude tho !! salamssss!!
I was born into a Mormon family, left that religion when I was 16, and 20 yrs later got into Protestantism. Now 10 yrs later, after MUCH study of both the Tanak and New Testament, I'm able to easily recognize the cultic deceit of twisting-of-scripture and total fabrications. It's been 4 days since I made the decision to leave Christianity and I feel so dirty and gross. I need a Hashem bath really bad. I can't do Noahide. I just can't. I've been searching for truth for over 30 yrs and I have found it in the perfect Law of Hashem. He said over and over and over, "If you obey my voice,"........"if you do what I have commanded it will be well with you".......and that word "forever." How do you mistranslate or misunderstand "forever?" I'm stumped at how deep the conditioning is in this type of mind control as well as how people fall for stuff without searching things out. I'm thankful that Hashem answered my prayers when I asked for wisdom & discernment without measure for the last 2 months. Praise our Almighty Creator!
Kitty Kat Jeshua was the messiah, NOT YHVH in the flesh. He was the son of MAN, last MAN Adam. His parents were Mary and Joseph of the house of David. Jeshua told us that a false Christ would come claiming to be YHVH standing in the temple where he ought not. This is the false image set up by the Rome Catholic church (the harlot) that Daniel also warned about. I'm sorry you completely left the truth and turned ur back on the messiah. Its Not his fault that he was misrepresented by evil men.
ROTFLOL Not laughing at you but the responses to your comment. I remember being visited by both The Church of Latter Day Saints and The Jehovahs witnesses in my back yard at different times when i was watering the garden. They both said the same thing when I mentioned the visits of the other. lol. Went like this. Satan often sends those to confuse and lie . LOL. GET MY POINT? They are suffering under the same poop. And dont you find it strange that when you express your wounded state as you start your climb toward understanding they come in and try to exploit that vulnerability? Sin is what makes us feel bad not turning from a false faith. And when your support system has been a particular church and you stop its going to be tough as you adjust. Plus it doesnt help when you feel your being judged quietly or loudly by those you spent time with in the church. But you will ADJUST and become a stronger person for it. But what Im really saying is if someone acts like an idiot ,in a way its not going to matter if they are Mormon or Jew. Continue to learn just the same and continue to battle with your (evil inclination) that messes with all of us. Be strong and of good courage. Walk with Rabbi Singer a bit longer. All the best. Im not there yet either but just had to say something when I read your words.
+john b -- I WAS a Catholic for 30 years, and man made traditions are NOT what are pleasing to God - obeying HIS word is.. ALL the Catholic church is is man made traditions. Here's a biggie, "Confess your sins to GOD and He is faithful and just to forgive you". Where in that verse does it say a priest in a box? Nowhere. Penance? Not in the Scriptures.. Indulgences? Nada.. PAY for an "annulment" to be a "practicing" Catholic again after a divorce - which leaves your kids "bastards"? Nowhere. Cost my ex over $3000 for a MAN to say, "Okay, you were never married!" Where did our 3 children come from??? A magician?? (I know they are a gift from God and now that he is awake, so does he). Look into all they do! For pete's sake, the antichist of the Bible is the *papacy!*
Kitty Kat maybe it's time for you to understand that Jesus is the Jewish Messiah because if he is and there's not going to be one Daniel said he had to come before the second temple and the second temple is gone
52:1-6 "For thus"... SAITH THE LORD GOD, ..."My people went down aforetime into Egypt to sojourn there; aIsaiah nd the Assyrian oppressed them without cause. Now therefore, what have I here?"..., SAITH THE LORD, ..."that my people is taken away for nought? They that rule over them make them to howl",... SAITH THE LORD; and MY NAME continually every day is blasphemed. Therefore my people shall know MY NAME: therefore they shall know in that day that I AM he THAT DOTH SPEAK: "behold, IT IS I". St. John 6:20 But HE SAITH unto them, "IT IS noI; bet afraid".
This is heavy duty stuff Rabbi Tovia, I love the fact that you explain what it meant to be G-d in a first generation, first century, Christian historical context. Claiming to be a god back then does not mean the same thing as what it means to the Church today!!!!
True Christians believe that Jesus is the messiah the son of God not god the son, Jesus never claimed to be God, he subjected himself to God in heaven by calling God "My God" 4 times and we know that God does not have a God. 1st Cor 15:24-28 says that Jesus hands back the Kingdom and subjects himself to his God and Father. God is not subject to anyone see 1st Cor 15:27
jazzbassf fenderjazz i don't believe in the trinity. Jesus is the Son of God. Jesus is Lord and Christ. Jesus's Father is God. The New Testament is clear about this. Joh 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: Jesus clearly said that his Father is whom the Jews say is their God. That is YHWH.
Jeff Krueger excellent reasoning on the scriptures my friend, Jesus is the son of God and never said he was the almighty. 1st cor 15:14-28 shows that Jesus after the millennium subjects himself to his God and father for all eternity, so only God the father is almight and God .
jazzbassf fenderjazz I hear trinitarians quote John 1 and try to tell me: "See Jesus is the word and the word is God and see Jesus created the world." I try to explain it to them. The word is simply the spoken word of YHWH. This spoken word of God that contains God's purpose and intention became flesh in the man Jesus for Jesus spoke the words of God. Trinitarians are so difficult to talk to. Even when I show them what John wrote about Jesus: Joh 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. John never directly call Jesus God. I just don't ever see that as much as trinitarians twist, I just don't see it.
Jeff Krueger very simple my friend Jeff, they don't believe Jesus is the Son of God, they believe in a false title for Jesus calling him "God the Son" a title no where in scripture. Yet I can show them true titles like "Son of God" and they absurdly say it means the same thing .I ask them if God the Father is the same as the "Father of God" which is what theyre saying when you analize it with their own absurd reasoning ! The problem with trjnis is that they like fanciful stories to have their ears tickled and not have to accept responsibility for John 17:3 "This means everlasting life their knowing you the only true God and the one you sent Jesus Christ" if you're a true Christian then you have to accept Jesus own testimony which they deny . Sad indeed my friend Jeff..... Blessings my friend
Jeff Krueger John 1:1 is a biased trinitarian delusion....I can show them 70 different bible translations that says the word was a god or divine......and John 1:1 doesn't show a trinity it shows two Gods and that would be polytheism.
Clear as mud cause those who disagree with me are wrong said those who disagree with me and the person who says we are both wrong all the way to infinity. But what if I am right?
Tovia Singer , Blondie over here would like to know who sings this version of Adon Olam. Thanks in advance. Also, thank you for smashing the toes and getting me out.
It is clear in John 8:57,58 that Jesus declared Himself to be Yahweh, i.e., the Lord of the OT. Basic to the expression are such passages as Ex 3:14; Dt 32:39; Is 41:4; Is 43:10 where God declared Himself to be the eternally pre-existent God who revealed Himself in the OT to the Jews. Jn 8:57,58 “You are not yet fifty years old," the Jews said to him, "and you have seen Abraham!" “I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
I didn't challenge it but the NT itself tells you that JC is not G-d, so I naturally came to the conclusions that the Christian assertions is wrong. The fact the JC is not G-d is all over the NT.
You're 100% correct. The NT and OT repeatedly say God is ONE. I don't understand how Christians twist their own scriptures to make it fit in their false doctrines. Who does it benefit, except the devil himself?
It is amazing that with all the scriptiral proof that God has never been a man ,that trinitarians still insist Jesus is God and yet John 1:18 says no one has seen GOD at anytime, and they still cling to a spurious scripture that says God was manifested in the flesh which is ONLY found in the KJV at 1st Tim 3:16 which contradicts Hosea 11:9 ........
***** exodus 6:3 says an angel appeared to him just like the angel at the burning bush.The Angel spoke to them as a representative of God not God himself .Acts 7:38 " New International Version He was in the assembly in the wilderness, with the angel who spoke to him on Mount Sinai, and with our ancestors; and he received living words to pass on to us." the bible is pretty clear because no one has seen God at any time John 1:18 Jesus was able to explain him, but no one has seen God at any time my friend.
+OurHumbleLife And yet people have seen God and lived. Moses spoke with God and even saw his back. God appeared in a cloud to the Israelites. God appeared to Abraham and spoke with him. None of those people died from it. So why does God say no one can see God and live? What does that mean? Think about that for a moment.
Jared Berryman it has always been Jehovah through angels that appeared to men. Acts 7:30,38 John 1:18 no one has seen God at any time....cherry picking verses to prove your believes does not harmonize with God's word.
+jazzbassf fenderjazz Then I guess I will continue to 'cherry pick' a little bit (you didn't do that at all right?). What John is actually referring to is a verse in the OT that says no one can see God's face and live. God puts Moses in a cleft of a rock and passes by him, so that Moses sees his true form but from behind. Furthermore, God appears in many different ways. There is no indication of scripture that every time God appeared, it was an angel. God fills the temple through his literal presence in the form of smoke. God appears to the prophets directly in dreams and visions. So God changes his form several times in the Old Testament. He speaks with Abraham (there is nothing indicating it is an angel). He appears to Abraham as a smoking pot and firebrand and makes a covenant with him. My point is, that God can appear in different forms. Is there some reason to believe that when God does this that he is not simultaneously on his throne in heaven? The text seems to indicate that the one God is capable of taking on different forms and being in two places at once. In Genesis, the spirit of God hovers over the waters, while God speaks creation into being.
People of Israel were terified to meet God (Exodus 20:18-19) so they said speak to us yourself but not let God speak to us or we will die, God became human (Jesus Christ) so he can talk to us as human. Do you think you can talk to God if appears to you? You will hopeless die. But thank God because of His mercy He wants to talk and saves us through Christ who died for us, Christ was 100% human and 100% God.
I'm halachically Jewish. Did Tshuba in my late 30s. I've been asked many times by friends, neighbors, taxi drivers, even the mailman, went Jews don't believe in JC being the Mashiach. I always mention the 3 first asereth hadibroth. For some reason I can't understand, they don't seem to connect JC with avodah zarah. Why?
Nowhere in the Bible does it say that if you don't believe that Jesus is God that you would go to hell. It is a man-made creed(Athanasian Creed)which states that. The only way a person can be saved is by confessing and believing Romans 10: 9,10. ( That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.). If believing in the divinity of Christ was required to be saved, then NOBODY in the first Century Church would have been saved. The doctrine of the Trinity was not even established in the Church until the Fourth Century AD. When we allow man-made doctrines or creeds to determine whether a person is saved or not , then those doctrines or creeds become more important than the Word of God and completely undermine the Word of God and also everything Christ died for. Study to show thyself approved unto God a workman that needeth not to be ashamed rightly dividing the word if truth II Timothy 2:15. We should be willing to do extensive biblical research and find out what is really accurate in God's Word.
Christians for the lions. why ? because a personal experience counts more than all theological science. Talking about and about will never bring you to real. I will die in joy for my Lord Jesus, can you say that as a farizer? Greetings from Holland
If the New Testament is a theological "crime scene" than the Old Testament must be the actual time of the crime. Attacking the New Testament is attacking the Old Testament. Rabbi Tovia has never been able to explain Daniel 2:45 in any satisfactory way. I challenge Mr. Singer to try to interpret the passage. Most of his explanations are ramblings of other things, including stories and his main attack "they don't know Hebrew."
At church I have always been told anyone who doesn't believe in the Trinity has the spirit of the Antichrist.Whenever I questioned why Jesus stated in the Gospel of John "the father is greater than I " or how can Jesus do the will of God going to the cross and pleasing God if He is God or how can the devil tempt God ? Of course the answers always were ridiculous and always ended with Jesus will explain everything after we die and are in Heaven which of course is not able to be proven
@ 20:31, This is the opposite of what you're saying, Rabbi. The scriptures did not tell us that Jesus was like a model looking. In fact in Isaiah 53 and John 8:15 explained that Jesus was never good looking. . In John 8:15, Jesus was pleading to the Jews not to judge by appearance. God's intention to come into the world and became flesh is to have a blood atonement for all of us. Because the guidelines that God gave to Moses were never followed perfectly. For example an animal blood sacrifice. The Jews do not have a temple now to perform this task by God's exact commands. The scriptures say that Jesus performed all of these commandments perfectly to be a perfect lamb and offered up His life for all of us- sinners. And His blood act as the blood of atonement only if you believe in Him by faith - even if that is simple, Christians do fall and backside because we're living in a fallen world.
@Abraham Mani we believe in eternal life of the soul, and because we believe we are all born pure and good, we all go to heaven. For us, that’s all their is. We do not believe in original sin or your version of hell nor your devil. That’s Catholic scare tactics which have messed up many a good human. Let it go. Live in the Light of HaShem.
I'm a Christian but there's no way I would break the first commandment by turning Jesus into a golden calf. Not even at threat of death. Those who blaspheme by saying a man, even Jesus is God are simply worshipping the rebranded pagan gods of Imperial Rome.
If I say "I am not a plant that I should use photosynthesis to produce energy," does the modifier mean that I am a plant? In what universe does this modifier mean that I am an oak tree?
They will also tell you isaiah 7:14 is talking about their sinless idol but disregard 15 and 16 which say "by the time he learns to reject the bad and choose the good" They are lost but so am I it all does not matter HavayaH obviously can wait as there is no true accounting in this reality for people's sins let them worship their idols who cares if He is not going to do anything about it What can we do they will never see they will never hear
So if Tovia himself admits that the New Testament does not explicitly teach that Jesus is God and shows his subordination to God the Father and he admits the early church understood that why is the New Testament a "theological crime scene"? Please respond to this Tovia because you opened up a good point and I think this shows that the New testament is closer to Torah than you think
@@benjaminpease5297 @Benjamin Pease with all do respect I don't care about what the Rabbi says. An atheist could say anything they want about the Torah but that doesn't make it valid. Where does the New Testament say anything about this supposed "Greek sub God thing"? It does not but you want to apply this to the New Testament. The New Testament doesn't teach such a thing. The New Testament teaches the same thing as the Torah that there is only one God the Father of all creation.
@@benjaminpease5297 So you go back to the rabbi as your ultimate source that is the issue. You cannot disprove that the New Testament teaches the same God as the Torah. New Testament doesn't teach the trinity. Christians get that from their priests just as Jews get most of their teachings from Rabbis. I agree the Trinity is blasphemy against God and so does the new testament. The New Testament says there is NO OTHER God but the Father of all creation.
Because the backlash is profound. Understand that as a white Westerner, it's not merely a religion. It's a culture. The way our grandparents and parents understood and showed love was based on Christianity. Family life, traditions, holidays, home decor, the baseline storyline of movies, poetry, phobias, superstitions, beliefs, commonality, all based on Christianity. Early on, youre taught to only see the love part of Christianity. And youre taught that to wonder or question or doubt is the biggest slap in the face to the deity that loved you so much he died for you and you live your whole life under that guilt. You just always feel guilty. Like a poor person who's always in debt and never have the money to repay. Its abusive and keeps you subservient.
I used to be a Christian. Over the past couple of years, I divorced myself from the Church by actually studying the Bible. I still think Jesus was a great man and teacher, but he is so badly misunderstood by Christians, it's truly a different religion.
Jesus said: By the fruits ye shall know them. Radical Monotheism exactly like the Jewish Prophets / Jews to believe in a uniquely ONE GOD - without any partners or equals or like a three in one coffee the abomination of the Trinity - plus believing in the Messiah Jesus the Prophet sent by God, and the essential consistency with his doctrine - the Muslim. The very words that the Father - THE ONLY TRUE GOD - COMMANDED Jesus Christ to say. The doctrine of THE ONLY TRUE GOD that HE COMMANDED Jesus Christ to give. The testimony of Jesus Christ on the Father: - The Only True God (John 17:3) - The Only One Who Knows The Hour (Mark 13:32) - Greater than I (John 14:28) - Greater than all (John 10:29) - My God and Your God (John 20:17) The doctrine of Jesus Christ = The doctrine of a Muslim. (Of course the term Father in the Jewish context. A figure of speech for their times. NOT that God has a literal Son. God has got Son by the Ton in the Bible.) Defenders of the true honor and status of Jesus Christ VERSUS Christianity more like the Greek and Roman doctrines and the pagan doctrines like "God" coming down in human form and human / blood sacrifice that pagans had going hand in hand with Paul's doctrines of easy salvation with blood of an innocent, making the Merciful God in to a blood thirsty vampire. 2000 years ago, the Roman and Greek Empire with its culture and mythological and pagan roots already held the beliefs such as "God coming down in human form". So after witnessing just a single "miracle" from Paul the deceiver they were conforming to their already held beliefs. No wonder when they heard of this guy Jesus with all the stories of his miracles, it was very easy for them to take him as "Son of God" (and this concept later on developed in to taking him as God) as this already went hand in hand with their pagan and mythological belief system. Little wonder that those times and those places and people also had "Triads" and ancient "Trinities" and "God" in threes and stuff. Acts 14:11 When the crowd saw what Paul had done, they shouted in the Lycaonian language, "THE GODS HAVE COME DOWN to us IN HUMAN FORM!" ******** Then of course the abomination of the alleged blood "sacrifice" of Jesus Christ making the Most Merciful in to some blood thirsty vampire. Going against the very teachings of the true Prophets and that includes Jesus Christ. ******** Unfortunately, it was the Pauline Christianity and Pauline doctrines, blended with pagan doctrine and backed up by the powerful Roman Empire that eventually won out over the years and wiped out the Jewish Christianity of radical monotheism. Rome didn't convert to "Christianity", "Christianity" converted to Rome.
If Jesus is so badly misunderstood by Christians then let’s see if you can help us correctly understand Jesus since you said you have studied the Bible.
@@ml1712 if I were to spend hours of my time researching for a reply to a RUclips comment on an issue that I basically have zero interest in at this point, would you actually change your mind? Or would you find some lame excuse to ignore it?
God bless the brother David who asked this question. Much love for you brother for your clear true and sound love for The Most Merciful, our Maker ♥️♥️♥️
@Abraham Mani I agree with you on this: The devil does not want anyone to be saved from hell..thats why he turned you into idolatry and man worship..now turn back and repent to the God of Abraham.. Allahu Akbar!
So glad you are in the world. You are so intelligent and wise. It is nice to see my world from the "outside". Christianity surrounds. The pressure.........When people pull scripture to follow from both the New and "OLD" testament......just pull scriptures out of context.
Bart Ehrman does a great job explaining how Jesus went from completely human to God after his death in "How Jesus Became God". I just finished reading it. Disclaimer, he's an atheist/ex-christian, so don't let that surprise you.
Yeah like the oldest gospel he thinks is Mark that says in its first 3 verses that Jesus is the Son of God and Yehova! 😏 straight off the bat it identifies Jesus as God so what you talking about?
But what about "the sons of God"? (Genesis 6.2 - Psalm 82.6 - Job 1.6 - John 10.34 - Romans 8.14) - And what about Paul who lived in a time with great knowledge about The Scriptures, saying: - "For, He put all things in subjection under his feet. But when he saith, All things are put in subjection, it is evident that he is excepted who did subject all things unto him. 28 And when all things have been subjected unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subjected to him that did subject all things unto him, that God may be all in all." (1 Corinthians 15.-27-)
Morten Kalland read psalm 51;11 .....you have in you His spirit you are Hashem SON ,,,,,,,YOU DON'T NEED THE HOLY SPIRIT TO COME FROM HAVEN HE IS IN YOU ....you are the temple of the holy spirit this is why you must to fallow the law of hashem however if you don't want the spirit in you on you tube is a video SELLING THEIR SOUL THE LUCIFERIAN CONTRACT posted by savedbygrace0909.... please go and watch this video , this life is a big exam if you want the exam you will have the exam every second and in the end you get forever life if you don't want ask hashem that you want only this life and hashem will make you very rich you will get your part on this world
Where does the Bible or Tanakh refer to God, Jesus and the Holy spirit being bound in Trinity? (specifically using the word 'Trinity') It is A misinterpretation of legitimate scripture.
Jesus Christ is the same I AM who I AM, he said in Exodus 34:10 that I make a covenant before all your people I will do marvels such as have not been done in all the earth, not in any nation, and all the people among whom you are shall see the work of the Lord, for it is an awesome thing that I will do with you. When the Jews rejected Jesus he said in John 15:24, if I had not done among them the works which no one else did they would have no sin, but now they have seen and also hated both me and my father. Verse 25, Jesus Christ said, this happened that the word might be fulfilled which is written in their law, they hated me without a cause. And that is found in Psalm 69:4
Genesis 32 describes Jacob wrestling with A MAN and then was actually blessed by Him, God in the flesh!!!! Then was blessed by The Lord who changed his name from Jacob to Israel. A God Man who wrestled with Jacob blessed him to become a nation called Israel. Israel was birthed by the blessing of the only true and Living God, Jesus. Israel would never exist without Him.
John 8:53-59: "Surely You are not greater than our father Abraham, who died? The prophets died too; whom do You make Yourself out to be?” Jesus answered, “If I glorify Myself, My glory is nothing; it is My Father who glorifies Me, of whom you say, ‘He is our God’; and you have not come to know Him, but I know Him; and if I say that I do not know Him, I will be a liar like you, but I do know Him and keep His word. Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.” So the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?” Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM.” Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him, but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple." THAT'S CLEAR, to anyone who's honest with the text, Tovia.
You are silly. Hebrews 7 clearly states who HE is? Orthodox Jewish Bible Yehudim in Moshiach 7: For this MALKITZEDEK MELECH SHALEM KOHEN L’EL ELYON, the one "having met Avraham Avinu ACHAREI SHUVO ("after returning") from the slaughter of "the kings and having blessed him", BERESHIS 14:17-20) 2 With whom also "AVRAHAM avinu apportioned MA’ASER MIKOL (a tithe of everything." As for his Name, it is rendered "King of Tzedek (Righteousness)" and then also "Melech of SHALOM." 3 Without Av, without Em, without Yichus, having neither a techillah (beginning) leyamim (to days) of him nor a Ketz HaChayyim, but resembling HaBen HaElohim, he remains a “kohen perpetually,” (Ps 110:4). 4 Now consider how great among the Gedolim this one was to whom also Avraham Avinu gave from his booty a ma’aser (tithe). 5 And the ones of the Bnei Levi have received the Kehunah (Priesthood) and they have a mitzvah to collect the ma’aser (tithe) from the Am Brit, and they have this mitzvah according to the Torah, that is, to collect from their achim, though these also are descended from the loins of Avraham Avinu. 6 But, this man, though not tracing his descent from them, has received ma’aser (tithe) from Avraham Avinu and has given a bracha to the one having the havtachot (promises). 7 Now it is beyond all argument that the greater gives a bracha to the lesser. 8 Notice, in one case, ma’aser are received by mortal men; in the other case, ma’aser are received by one of whom we have solemn eidus (testimony) that hu Chai ("he lives!"). 9 One could even go so far as to say that even Levi, who receives ma’aser, has paid ma’aser through Avraham Avinu, 10 For Levi was still in the loins of his ancestor Avraham when Malki-Tzedek met Avraham Avinu. 11 Now if shleimut (completeness) had been attainable through the Kehunah of Levi‖for under it came the Mattan Torah (giving of the Torah) to the Am Brit‖what further need would there have been to speak of another KOHEN arising "according to the order of Malki-Tzedek" TEHILLIM 110:4) rather than "al divrati Aharon"? 12 For when there is a "changing of the guard" of the Kehunah (Priesthood), this behechrach (necessarily) also affects the Torah [Isa 42:4]. 13 For the One about whom these things are said belonged to a different shevet (tribe), from which no one has officiated at the Mizbe’ach. 14 For it is ugeret (easily seen, evident) that Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach Adoneinu was descended from Yehudah, and in connection with that shevet (tribe), Moshe Rabbeinu said nothing about kohanim. 15 And it is even more evident if another Kohen arises resembling Malki-Tzedek, 16 One who became a kohen, not by means of a mitzvat haTorah concerning yichus (lineage), but according to the gevurah of a Chayyei Ein Sof (Endless Life). 17 For of Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach comes the solemn eidus, "ATAH KOHEN L’OLAM AL DIVRATI MALKI TZEDEK" ("You are a kohen forever according to the order of Malki Tzedek" TEHILLIM 110:4). 18 For, on the one hand, there is an abrogation of an earlier mitzvah because of its weakness and ineffectuality 19 -For the Torah brought nothing to shleimut (perfection); on the other hand, there is the mavo (introduction) of a tikvah tovah yoter (a better hope) through which we draw near to Hashem- 20 This was attested with a shevu’ah (oath); for others who became kohanim were installed in the office of kehunah without a shevu’ah; 21 But the Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach became a kohen with a shevu’ah (oath) through the One saying to Him, "Hashem has made an oath and will not change his mind, You are a kohen forever" [TEHILLIM 110:4]. 22 According to such a shevu’ah of Hashem, Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach Yehoshua has become the arev (surety, guarantee) of a tovah yoter HaBrit. 23 Not only this, but it was the fact that the former kohanim were many in number, because mavet prevented them from continuing in the office of kehunah. 24 But because Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach continues l’olam (forever), he has an unchangeable Kehunah. 25 From which also he is able to completely deliver to the Geulah (Redemption) and Yeshu’at Eloheinu the ones approaching Hashem through him, als (since) he has Chayyei Ein Sof (Endless Life) and always lives to intercede in techinnah (supplication) for them. 26 For such was for us, indeed, a bekavod (suitable) Kohen Gadol, chasid, tamim, tahor, nivdal from chote’im (separated from sinners) and exalted above HaShomayim; 27 A Kohen Gadol who does not have daily need-as do the other Kohanim Gedolim-on the one hand, to offer up zevakhim for his own averos, and then to offer up zevakhim for the averos of the Am Brit. For this Kohen Gadol offered up himself [Isa 53:10], once and for all. 28 For the Torah of Moshe Rabbeinu appoints Bnei Adam as Kohanim Gedolim, Bnei Adam with frailties, but the dvar HaShevu’ah [Ps 110:4], which came later than the Torah of Moshe Rabbeinu, appoints HaBen [Ben HaElohim Moshiach] who came to shleimut (completeness) l’Olam. Now what did Jesus declare: John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.” Peace Be With You
The trouble is...the earliest Christian story was about a "god/angel" announcing someone else. Over the century after the story first appeared (and I tend to treat its appearance as 66-70 c.e.), the story morphed a bit. The person originally announced was relegated and the Jesus/ISU character upgraded to "messiah" status, complete with new "birth stories" and genealogies. It was part of a "Two Powers in Heaven" thing. So...while Islam may not have Jesus as a God/Angel...they still have a Jesus. And for some reason they think of Mohamed as the "Arabic paraclete" even though an Idumean-related person already was that, at least 500 years before Mohamed. Two Powers in Heaven tried to make out that HaShem was a "lesser" God, Plato's "Demiurge." That the ISU/Jesus was son of a "higher, supposedly-Good God." Perhaps that paradigm might have been easier to mull over and eventually reject...but unfortunately, Irenaeus and the proto-Catholics added a newer paradigm that made it harder to detect. Regardless...Jesus as "God/part of God/Second and Independent God is a null idea. So too is that he might have been a prophet...because I think that idea came more out of the Samaritans' ta'eb idea than it ever came out of Torah. Samaritans and Hellenicists really seemed to be the big fans of it initially anyway. In the end...Jesus isn't the God of the Torah/Tanahk. He's just something that eventually progressed from the first PSEUDO-Hebrew narrative that Sanballat the Horonite set in motion. He's not a prophet...because as the Samaritans' SINGLE prophet like/greater than Moses...I don't think he's done much for the Samaritans themselves. That's acutely noticeable by their current state of affairs.
I don't base my belief in Jesus on him being God, or performing miracles, or raising from the dead, or being born from a virgin. In the Tanakh God uses the conjunction "if" to indicate human responsibility. Of course if bad conduct reaches a certain level of fulfillment you may reach the point of the proverbial "writing on the wall," in which case it's too late. In Malachi 4:5-6 it is stated that Elijah will return. presumably if this was a supernatural occurrence, who would not unite together as God wished? But if this was a more organic manifestation such as Elijah working in spirit with a particular person as it seems Jesus suggested was John the Baptist's designated role, in response to his disciples question: "Master why do the people say Elijah must return?" It may take a deeper more mature spiritual life to perceive or accept such words from Jesus. A prophet should be able to see this phenomenon of cooperation, of which such said ability is described by Paul as the Gift of the Discerning of Spirits which is one of the nine gifts of the Holy Spirit. The prophets had the Baptism of the Holy Spirit with the exception of tongues and the interpretation of tongues. That is to say, all the gifts enumerated by Paul were present with the prophets. There did not seem to be the expulsion of evil spirits except in the instance with Saul to the same degree that it was a feature in Jesus' ministry. We can see that Jesus' disciples were not versed in scripture through the question they asked to Jesus: "Why do the people say Elijah must return?" Jesus preached in the synagogue first. Blue collar disciples were his default choice. He said John the Baptist was the Elijah. The Messiah comes to fulfill the Will of God = Original Purpose of Creation. The mission of the Messiah should be understood from the perspective of mission, not personality. He is the Second Adam. If Almighty God cannot save man without man's portion of responsibility being fulfilled, why is it reasonable to assume that it would be different for the Messiah who comes to fulfill the Original Purpose of Creation? From this perspective The Messiah does not come to die. Paul could not explain this. Jesus was born free from satanic accusation. This was his qualification to be the Messiah. Satan's purpose is to induce the Messiah to throw away his mission. When Jesus was not accepted he could not abscond to Greece. He had to say, "unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds." Therefore is death was a secondary plan contingent upon his heart being able to not be accused and made to curse people through resentment. Through the phenomenon of rebirth, and spiritual experiences that can be mobilized (the Baptism of the Holy Spirit) a foundation had to be recreated for the Second Coming of the Messiah. multi racial Christianity on the world level is this foundation.
@Abraham Mani When Saul sought out the spirit of Samuel, he spoke to Saul. Jews do believe in the afterlife, spirit world or whatever you prefer to call life after death.
@cathy newton , Three persons of the Trinity? Uhh? Please show me where the Holy Ghost speaks to the son, or even where the Holy Spirit speaks to the Father, please?
Excellent question! Not only do they want Jesus as messiah, they also want him as a deity! Worst form of avoda zara (idol worship) and the most severe bastardization/insult of Torah/Tanakh! A good follow-up question would be that how come Christianity is not exposed for what it truly is - a Hellenistic Reform Pseudo-Judaism movement!
John's Gospel Shows Strong Evidence of being Edited. Let me show you an example. John 20:30-31 30 Therefore many other signs Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name. This was the original ending of John's Gospel. But there is another chapter in John's Gospel....chapter 21. John 21:25 25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, which if they *were written in detail, I suppose that even the world itself *would not contain the books that *would be written. This is the ending that we have now in our Bibles for John's Gospel. This is proof positive that John's Gospel was edited and this makes it unreliable
Stuart Shephard...not only that...it also shows signs of being somewhat Gnostic...and seems to be a lot more Samaritan than most people would realize. Hardly anyone here might have heard of the Samaritan Ta'eb concept...or the idea that...since the Samaritans after Sanballat the Horonite JETTISONED the real nevi'im, they could only look to a SINGLE future prophet like/greater than Moses, fit to usher in a "new, more perfect law." The problem seems also to have an innovative section of Samaritans who weren't exactly orthodox in the Samaritan sense, called the Dositheans or as Muslims know them, the Dustan. Either way...once one DOES know a bit more about the Samaritan ideas...John 4 comes across ESPECIALLY as more to do with the Samaritan Ta'eb concept. And John 8...two accusations. One of them Jesus answered. The accusation about being a Samaritan? He never replied to that one. There seems to have been a writer around the mid-2nd century who brouoght a Gospel of John into being...and around the late-2nd century, Irenaeus definitely edited it. But the kicker is...even if John's gospel were written in 110 c.e., it would still be AFTER any works by Philo...who spoke about the Logos WAY earlier. BUT, Philo was a Hellenicist-Jew, trying to mix Hebrew Scripture and concepts with PLATO and GREEK PHILOSOPHY. Even the writer of Acts seems to have been aware of the early Samaritan and Hellenicist threads. Acts 3 and Acts 7 definitely show some Samaritan ideas...including Stephen thinking SHECHEM was where Abraham buried Sarah, not Hebron.
19:25: I've been considering the distinction between being perfect and being sinless. The Gospels attest that through his divinity Jesus commited no sin during his earthly life, but he also took on imperfect human flesh and faced the same temptations as all of us. A mystery. Yes, I am a follower of Jesus. Shalom.
As a Christian kid I loved the Jews but wondered why they didn’t see Jesus as their God and killed him. I remember being drawn to the holocaust and met a survivor and bought her book. I guess we felt compassion for Jews because we were told their eyes are blind.
"why they didn’t see Jesus as their God" Because this is idolatry and against the Tanakh the deification of Jesus (or any other human being, Hebrew "ben adam" = son of man) is the worst form of idolatry
Most Christians don’t understand Jesus’ prehuman existence and they don’t understand the personal naming conventions Hashem used to describe spirit beings, which carried over to certain human tribes in the east. Western cultures are not too sophisticated in this area, and are confused by this and other orientalisms. Another issue comes with translation into English, which is vague and primitive compared to Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew.
Jesus was a Jew, He believed the Shema and he even taught the Shema.(Mark 12:29) Jesus never claimed or believed that he was God! Sadly The Trinity was forced upon Catholicism at the Council of Nicaea in the year 325AD. Modern mainstream "Christianity" is a mixture of Paganism and Christianity. True Christianity rejects the pagan doctrines.
@Lidia Magdalina The early church didn't believe in or even teach the Trinity until the year 325 AD. That's when it was forced upon unwilling Bishops at the Council of Nicaea of The Catholic Church. Nowadays, unlike the past, with the internet and availability of old history books, the truth is available, just seek it. "I didn't know" will not be an acceptable excuse on Judgment Day. The question of; Who is Jesus? Was asked and addressed by Jesus himself. The answer that he received and he accepted as the correct answer should also be accepted by all true Christians without argument, and without adding to or subtracting from it. The same answer that Jesus accepted . Matt.16:13-17 When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, “Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?” So they said, “Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven”. We can learn from scripture by what it says, and sometimes we can also learn from scripture by what it does not say. When asked by our Blessed Savior, "But who do you say that I am?" Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God," Jesus was pleased by Peter's answer. He did not correct him, neither did Jesus add to Peter's answer, instead Jesus praised him, and told Peter that his answer did not come from anyone's own personal opinion, but was divinely inspired by The Almighty God of Heaven. So again, when Jesus asked Peter, "Who do you say that I am?" Did Peter give Jesus an incorrect answer? Or did Peter give Jesus only a partial answer to his question? Did Peter forget to mention something else? No, Peter's answer pleased Jesus because it was the perfectly true and correct answer, lacking nothing, and Jesus told Peter his answer to whom Jesus is, was inspired by The Heavenly Father. So why then should we follow the traditions of men, and add to Peter's perfect answer? Jesus asked Peter "Who do you say that I am?" because our Savior wanted it recorded in scripture for all mankind, both present and future, to know who he really is! If we disagree with or add to Peter's correct answer to whom Jesus is, we are arguing with Jesus and we're also disagreeing with The Father, Jesus Christ's God. Who Is Jesus? Case closed! Jesus answered the question; I believe our Savior!!! Don't you? Jesus settled the controversy, That's good enough for me. (Eph.1:3)Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ,
@@-.George. , No Jesus Christ's Father is God, (John 20:17)Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God. Behemoth, Does God have a God who He obeys? Does God pray to His God?
@@4321grp God in the flesh prayed to God on God's throne. God is not in one person but is in two persons. In Genesis there are two persons of God. It was the Son who drove Adam and Eve out of paradise. You forget that Jesus שישו told his disciples to pray in spirit.
Hello all, If you go to "biblegateway" you will be able to read most of the English translations available to us. Pleas note that all of them are the work of Trinitarians for sale to Trinitarians. The result is that the doctrine is inserted into the text in every place where possible. You must go to the Hebrew and Greek to find the truth.
Noone in the old testament was born again and being that true men of God (i.e; Joseph, Moses, Ezekiel, Isaiah, etc) did not have the holy spirit living on the inside of them essentialy should be a clue also. I've heard people for years say if you are not born again (holy spirit living in you) you'll be eternally separated from God forever in hell. So if it was possible to go into the kingdom without being born again that in itself should show it was by both the law and grace as prior to Jesus these men/prophets also made some stupid decisions/mistakes that were quite drastic, Moses being the most obvious of course and failed in different ways with what God wanted him to do, but yet God still used him and didn't reject him. It's never by grace alone but by us loving God and keeping his commandments through repenting and coming to the end of ourselves. God is trying to make it simple for us to understand but unfortunately we still question him...
My friend said to me “ he is one being, who is the IAM that IAM , who manifest himself to Be IAM that IAM in my life whatever I need for him to be in my life he is. I think she’s saying G-d manifested at Jesus. She’s also said to me that “Yaushua Hamashiac is the WORD, he is Father’s WORD. He is our Sabbath rest. I’m not going back to Egypt. (A spiritual Egypt, because it’s a spiritual battle.) who deceived you” I don’t know why but once I believed what she’s telling me. I’ve been in constant prayer since she showed me the video Caesar’s Messiah, which lead me to you. I have your books. I have 2 Christian Bibles and a Jewish one and I’m not believing in what she believes anymore. Why wouldn’t G-d reveal it in the Tanakh? if it’s true He will lead me back to it. How would you respond to her?
Because they do not understand thatba 'son of god' is just 'fruit the command' (Bar-Mitzvah). And if you knew, what they don't know... you'd be able to end the battle of all battles, burn a bunch of 'paper swords' and bring the blessing of peace to a hurting world. I 'know'.
God is a Spirit ! But he made man his image and likeness.... body/flesh... spirit....and soul! Maybe you people are the contradictions, not the Bible? Funny how the image and likeness of God is in 3 forms but we selectively choose the one that suits our precious religion.
'Ish milchamah' is not 'man of war' but 'Master of war'. 'Ish' can mean husband, man, lord, master, male, mankind, champion.. But in this case, clearly 'Master' or 'Lord' is meant.
simple answer God is nit a man, doesn't mean God could not become a man, but thia verse or statement doesn't even mean God in a foem of a man, it describes God's attributes, i think there is onother verse, God is nit a man that he should lie to human kind like we do to eachother, God is not a man that he He can be corruotet, God is not a man that he will die and ceased to exist, God is not a man that he gets hungry, so that statment is to describe God's attributes rather than, God is not a man, and could never become a man or have son who became word and fleah so see
@cathy newton no, I am not. I am Muslim and my belief is much more similar with the core of Judaism: to believe in the Creator of life and death, the eternally One and Unique and the only One to devote worship to straight, without any intermediary or associate; never to worship any from the creation (celestial or worldly) but to treat creation kindly.
@cathy newton I understand why you don't see the similarity between Judaism and Islam. But as a Christian even you would agree with the following: 1. Islam and Judaism are both Abrahamic are both monotheistic. In both, God is absolutely One, doesn't have any partner. It's Him alone that worship is due to. In both to love your neighbor as yourself is key. 2. In both God is Merciful there's no motion of a necessary human sacrifice as atonement for sin. In both God forgives to those repent and reform their way according to His commandments (Ezechiel 18.21-22 and Qur'an 3.135) 3. In both God doesn't incarnate but manifests His signs in creation. 4. Both have a divine law each (Tawrat and Shari'a) ....
@cathy newton you didn't read all. Please read all my reply. I have outlined the similitude between the Muslim and the Jewish beliefs. I have not said they are the same. I say they are similar. Please make a little effort to read through.
God is not a man... that he should lie. the emphasis is not on God being a man(or not), but rather not possessing the propensity of man to lie. The statement in no way limits how God can manifest/reveal Himself.
Tovia Singer I am a christian I have a question / comment for you please no one else answer. First shalom my friend. Ok the Glory of God dwelled sometimes in the tabernacle right this movable tent , and dwelled inside the Holy of Holiess right ? So why not inside a man ? Ok I have always thought that Jesus subjected himself as it is written in philipians made himself I.e. humbled himself in a fashion of a man I know you know about kabbala & Ein soph so isnt possible that God in somewhat of the same way through an avatar simular to how he controled the Angel of the Lord he himself became submissive ? I love God im sure no one here believes me they and you think im an evil pagan who doesnt know God. I fight with many christians because they need spoon feed theology if u question your bashed and bullied ! So I guess I dont fit in anywhere shalom Christopher
Why I ask, if Christians are so into the new Testament, why did and I ask again, why did they include some and I say some of the Old Testament which refers to the Jews?.. Christians should only read a book of just the new Testament if they want to go by that Yahshuah is the messiah.. Evidently they want to pick and choose what they wanted to put in the old Testament to try and I say try to make it look good for their uneducated belief.
Ask Jesus who you are? I suppose he will never say I am the God nor the son of God. If you read bible he never said like that with his own mouth initially but someone else said it first than he said it.
I do not believe Jesus as God but I know he is really brave and rightous man who was agaist Roman empire, the barbarian without Torah. When Korea was a colony of Japan abot 70years ago there were many martyr who fought against Japan and were cought than executed by them like Jesus. So every Korean people do respect them even some people make small temples for them as regarding them as God. I believe it is really similar to Christianity. What I want to say is this I think Jesus was like martyr who love his own country more then his life. So he chose this way to meet pilate the governor in israel at that time and proclaim that I am the king of Israel to show pride of Israel even though he had to face threaten of death on a cross. I wana let you know one thing about Korea tradition. If a korean die with whatever reason he was no longer called man, human being, but guisin in korean this means a god or a ghost, spirit. In this sense Jesus might be a god like any dead Koreans!
anything you can see or imagine is not God.you can't see him and you cant imagine how he is .
Unless God wanted us to see him. God can do that if he wishes
God is infinite we are finite. God is both transcendent and immanent. God makes themself known to us finite beings in a way we can perceive. As we change and grow/learn we may perceive more. God is not subject to any particular or singular form. Form obeys his will and will always be in accord with his chosen image.
Never worship a man
Its common sense
He himself has been created b
Geneva Bible 1511 -- Numbers 23:19 God is not as man, that he should lie, neither as the son of man, that he should repent; Hath he said, and shall he not do it? And hath he spoken, and shall he not accomplish it?
That song at the end of the video is soooo beautiful, it gives me goosebumps every time I hear it.
It’s called Adon Olam. (Master of the universe). You can find the lyrics on line. Shalom.
God is God no matter what the century.
@@stephaniereif7790 do you know whos singing it in the video ? I searched online but did not find this version.
Thank you.
@@s8g171 I’ve tried to find out too but haven’t been able to find out who this singer is. Could be Israeli. I know there are various melodies to it, but this melody is well known so other singers have recorded it. I found a version on RUclips with lyrics in Hebrew and English, so one can sing along. Maybe I can find my sheet music for it. There might be a clue.
@@stephaniereif7790 Thank you 🙏🏼
No matter what anyone thinks of JC, I will NEVER understand why it is that xians (when they read John 17) believe that JC is God. If you even read the "good news" (NT) and IF you even take it to be authentic "cannon" (I DO NOT), JC clearly states I AM NOT GOD.
Read the quran for a different perspective. Peace.
@@vicachcoup but the Quran thinks the trinity is God the Father, Jesus, and Mary. Which is wrong.
Most Christians are given dire warnings from early childhood that they are doomed to hell for eternity unless they believe in Jesus as their ONLY saviour. And vilify "Christ Killer" Jews. This is the problem.
From the Tanakh: Jeremiah 23:5-6:
Speaking of Messiah (and His divinity):
“Behold, the days are coming,” declares the Lord,
“When I will raise up for David a righteous Branch;
And He will reign as king and act wisely
And do justice and righteousness in the land.
“In His days Judah will be saved,
And Israel will dwell securely;
And this is His name by which He will be called,
‘The Lord our righteousness.’"
Key points:
1) raised up by God from David's line.
2) reigning as king.
3) salvation and peace.
4) called by the name "the Lord our Righteousness." (YHWH ṣiḏ·qê·nū)
Jesus's Father is supposedly God so are you telling me now that God is a descendent of David?
Rabbi Tovia Singer, what you said about boxing is very interesting, you know, in Islam boxing is also forbidden, hiting in the face was prohibited by the prophet Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, so it seems that orthodox Jews and Muslims have many things in common
Shalom, dear friend. I forgot that I told that on air. I've told all my students who are boxers that it is forbidden as a sport. Bless you
I think that the Father himself could come from heaven and tell a trinitarian that he is the only true God, and the trinitarian would find some reason to deny it.
Anybody know what the song is at the end? Really cool.:) Thanks!
*Belinda Brubaker:* I can't believe nobody's bothered to answer you yet! The song is call "Adon Olam", and if you contact Rabbi Singer, he'll send it to you.
I think you can get in from his website. Give it a try.
@@janishart5128 thank you I was looking for that song lol
@@DejaB0226: You're welcome! I didn't get a Notification for your reply, so I'm just seeing it now, because I just happen to be watching this video.
@Abraham Mani so because a book says so is what you're following? Please understand there's thousands of gods to be known throughout history nine times out of 10 they were found to just be humans who wanted to use the godly role in order to have power and control now if you look at that today you will clearly see it stems from that and the things that are mentioned in the Bible are things that were already mentioned in other storylines with other godlike entities but no one can prove one of the other... And if you can't prove it why would you be able to believe it without falsifying your own perception in order for it to fit the narrative in which your expecting your eternal life to be like under the Christian or Jewish laws .... But when you look at other religious cultures and they have differences only people with higher religious beliefs are the ones who deny whose other god it's not greater than theirs.... And this is why wars famine pestilence as well as just a true hatred for another who believes in something differently you can no longer be associated with because their God is not yours so how do we have a clean environment purified with these beliefs that no one can prove yet still will die for no matter the causes.... If there was no religion no one would have as much of discontent with another person thereby taking away all bigotry as well as inflammatory words that consistently bring out the bad roots from their religious cultures...
From the Tanakh:
(About Messiah, his clan and birthplace, and divinity)
Micah 5:2
"But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
Too little to be among the clans of Judah,
From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel.
His goings forth are from long ago,
From the days of eternity.”
(compare with the John 8: 58 verse: "Jesus said to them, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM.'”)
Thanks this was helpful I am a nohaide looking forward Christianity
We Muslim tried to explained to the christians so many times by using same quotes from the old testament that jesus can't be god but still they refuse to acknowledge.
Christians keep telling muslims that Jesus is God's ONLY "begotten" Son and they refuse to acknowledge.
Thats because you are an Unitarian Christian. 99% of debates are involving Trinatrian Christians so Muslims will debate likewise. Depending on your definition "Jesus is God's ONLY "begotten" Son" what you should be doing is to convince your fellow Christians instead and make them "acknowledge" instead. We dont have to acknowledge that Jesus was not a God cause Muslims dont have that problem.
Dont despair about that too much. Consider the fact that Rabbi Singer and his practice and capacity for that particular mission is immense and fine tuned. Plus we must not overlook the barrier of blind faith, emotional attachment and plain old ignorance. Plus they have a bias towards Muslims do to political events that will often times block your message.
Jesus was saying '' I am Going shopping''' but they took that ''I AM'' and used it to link with old testament and turn him into a pokemongod!
OurHumbleLife no they believe he's god
Two reasons I can give. Christians are in idolatry, and God promised that he will give delusion and confusion to those who disobey so that they will believe any crap. Or, maybe it's like Moses. Moses was like Elohim (Exodus 7:1). Man was made in the image of God, and one extreme interpretation of that idea would allow some men or one man to be able to EXACTLY resemble/represent God, thus being God to others who aren't as close to God. Also, Lev 26:12 "I will walk among you and be your God". Christians apply this verse to Jesus who walked among them. And is their God.
Who was one of the three person when met Abraham in Genesis 18:1-3 ...1. " Now the Lord appeared to Abraham by the oaks of Mambre" while he was....3. " My Lord,...." ???
Do NOT be Wrong.those THREE PERSONS Are NEVER EVER a triune god who Appeared to PROPHET Abraham(PBUH).THOSE PERSONS ARE ONLY ANGELS OF THE LORD WHO APPEARED TO PROPHET Abraham(PBUH).
@@mumthaasshaahudeen9117 it says the lord appeared to them , but to of them are angels and one is the lord himself.
I am a Christian who knows Jesus is the messiah. PAUL twisted things and then the trinity came about. We need to worship God, Jesus said this. Jesus will be our King when the kingdom returns and it will happen when worship God. The one true God. Blessed thank you.
Jesus is God
@@KyrieEleisonMaranatha thank you, I'll pray about this. I must say, that when I get caught up in all the debate I loose site. Look up... thank you.
I did challenge it and that's why I converted to Judaism.
purawngailocano you converted because your clearly happy with men and the good book didn't like that did it so you thought I will jump ship
purawngailocano it dosent even say jesus is GOD in the bible
Nathan Blades it sure dose it said he is God in the flesh and the Old Testament says worship me all ye Gods
Dennis Velez where
Dennis Velez i worship God and God alone so I am allways right. however if you worship Jesus as God and he is not Then you have broken the First and Most Important Comnandment Thall Shall Worship Nothing Before God 😉
Shalom Rabbi Singer! If I'm not mistaken, are the Israelite in Psalm, called gods?
I asked a Christian yesterday who is the spirit of Jesus if the holy spirit is an independent 3rd person that cannot be the son according to thier own doctrine. His eyes rolled back in his head!! It was just too much to handle! I mean 1900 years and no one has asked this question?
So who did
Abraham see in Genesis 18
Joshua in Joshua 5:13
Isaiah ch 6
Is this a man, angel, or God.
Don't like music over speaking. One thing that turned me off church was when they started having music over the prayer. Distracting.
Genesis 32:24. Who did Jacob wrestle with?
Jacob Thomas an angel
Yehoshua, the Time Traveller - our risen Kinsman Redeemer. That is Jesus' full, real name which means "Yehovah is our salvation". (See/read leading, Spirit-filled Karaite Jew and Hebrew scholar Nehemia Gordon ... nehemiaswall.com)
YIshis Lassie wait wait wait.... He's a time traveling lych warlock thing now? Which can also raise people from the dead. Cure people with his flesh and blood? Yea that's called a straight up vampire or something.
Jesus Contradicts the Prophet Ezekiel on the Resurrection
We are all familiar with the story about the seven brothers who each in turn marry the same woman. The question is “In the resurrection therefore, which one's wife will she be? For all seven had married her." [Luke 20:33]
And Jesus answered “"The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage, but those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; for they cannot even die anymore, because they are like angels, and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.”” [Luke 20:34-36]
Jesus’ answer contradicts the prophecy concerning the resurrection which is in chapter 37 of Ezekiel.
“”neither marry nor are given in marriage””
The Prophet Ezekiel received his prophecy from God, [Ezekiel 1:3] and his description of the resurrection of the dead [Ezekiel chapter 37] is the most detailed in the entire Bible, IMO. Read it if you have not read it before.
“”Therefore prophesy and say to them, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "Behold, I will open your graves and cause you to come up out of your graves, My people”” [verse 12]
“”"My servant David will be king over them, and they will all have one shepherd; and they will walk in My ordinances and keep My statutes and observe them.”” [Verse 24]
““They will live on the land that I gave to Jacob My servant, in which your fathers lived; and they will live on it, they, and their sons and their sons' sons, forever; and David My servant will be their prince forever.”” [Verse 25]
“”their sons and their sons' sons”” doesn’t this suggest that men and women will be married, and marry and have children? Doesn’t Jesus’ comment in Luke 20 contradict this?
“”I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant with them And I will place them and multiply them, and will set My sanctuary in their midst forever.””[Verse 26]
“”multiply them”” Of course they will be married and marry in the resurrection. It says that God will multiply them.
Jesus wasn’t even smart enough to avoid contradicting Ezekiel.
How can Jesus be God?
they have tons of contradictions but if you have been brainwashed you can see
Christianity is a polytheistic religion. The worship Jesus, but also a seperate god- But .some think they are one of the same. Many Catholics (particulalrly in Italy) regard Mary as a sort of goddess
Fletcher Mulligan. If you don't know what you are talking about(and you don't) ask/research before you type, that way you will avoid publicly looking foolish.
WHO IS THE SINGER AT THE END?
Numbers 23:19 "God is not a man ... ." Context! Context! Context! What does the rest of the verse read?
I was a non-trinitarian Christian; who would never have used that verse to disprove the Trinity; it would be 'twisting the scripture' to make it mean something other than what the writer meant it to be.
Feel free to reply. Shalom
no not that ,but there are a lot more explicit clear verses than that!! its either that you didnt read the bible !! or you just read what you want😀!! im not being rude tho !!
salamssss!!
How is it taken out of context when it literally says neither is he the son of man that he should repent right after it says he’s not a man.
Thank you so much. This is great.
I was born into a Mormon family, left that religion when I was 16, and 20 yrs later got into Protestantism. Now 10 yrs later, after MUCH study of both the Tanak and New Testament, I'm able to easily recognize the cultic deceit of twisting-of-scripture and total fabrications. It's been 4 days since I made the decision to leave Christianity and I feel so dirty and gross. I need a Hashem bath really bad. I can't do Noahide. I just can't. I've been searching for truth for over 30 yrs and I have found it in the perfect Law of Hashem. He said over and over and over, "If you obey my voice,"........"if you do what I have commanded it will be well with you".......and that word "forever." How do you mistranslate or misunderstand "forever?" I'm stumped at how deep the conditioning is in this type of mind control as well as how people fall for stuff without searching things out. I'm thankful that Hashem answered my prayers when I asked for wisdom & discernment without measure for the last 2 months. Praise our Almighty Creator!
Kitty Kat Jeshua was the messiah, NOT YHVH in the flesh. He was the son of MAN, last MAN Adam. His parents were Mary and Joseph of the house of David. Jeshua told us that a false Christ would come claiming to be YHVH standing in the temple where he ought not. This is the false image set up by the Rome Catholic church (the harlot) that Daniel also warned about. I'm sorry you completely left the truth and turned ur back on the messiah. Its Not his fault that he was misrepresented by evil men.
ROTFLOL Not laughing at you but the responses to your comment. I remember being visited by both The Church of Latter Day Saints and The Jehovahs witnesses in my back yard at different times when i was watering the garden. They both said the same thing when I mentioned the visits of the other. lol. Went like this. Satan often sends those to confuse and lie . LOL. GET MY POINT? They are suffering under the same poop. And dont you find it strange that when you express your wounded state as you start your climb toward understanding they come in and try to exploit that vulnerability? Sin is what makes us feel bad not turning from a false faith. And when your support system has been a particular church and you stop its going to be tough as you adjust. Plus it doesnt help when you feel your being judged quietly or loudly by those you spent time with in the church. But you will ADJUST and become a stronger person for it. But what Im really saying is if someone acts like an idiot ,in a way its not going to matter if they are Mormon or Jew. Continue to learn just the same and continue to battle with your (evil inclination) that messes with all of us. Be strong and of good courage. Walk with Rabbi Singer a bit longer. All the best. Im not there yet either but just had to say something when I read your words.
what are you now kitty?
+john b -- I WAS a Catholic for 30 years, and man made traditions are NOT what are pleasing to God - obeying HIS word is.. ALL the Catholic church is is man made traditions. Here's a biggie, "Confess your sins to GOD and He is faithful and just to forgive you". Where in that verse does it say a priest in a box? Nowhere. Penance? Not in the Scriptures.. Indulgences? Nada.. PAY for an "annulment" to be a "practicing" Catholic again after a divorce - which leaves your kids "bastards"? Nowhere. Cost my ex over $3000 for a MAN to say, "Okay, you were never married!" Where did our 3 children come from??? A magician?? (I know they are a gift from God and now that he is awake, so does he). Look into all they do! For pete's sake, the antichist of the Bible is the *papacy!*
Kitty Kat maybe it's time for you to understand that Jesus is the Jewish Messiah because if he is and there's not going to be one Daniel said he had to come before the second temple and the second temple is gone
52:1-6
"For thus"... SAITH THE LORD GOD, ..."My people went down aforetime into Egypt to sojourn there; aIsaiah nd the Assyrian oppressed them without cause.
Now therefore, what have I here?"..., SAITH THE LORD, ..."that my people is taken away for nought? They that rule over them make them to howl",... SAITH THE LORD; and MY NAME continually every day is blasphemed.
Therefore my people shall know MY NAME: therefore they shall know in that day that I AM he THAT DOTH SPEAK: "behold, IT IS I".
St. John 6:20
But HE SAITH unto them, "IT IS noI; bet afraid".
This is heavy duty stuff Rabbi Tovia, I love the fact that you explain what it meant to be G-d in a first generation, first century, Christian historical context. Claiming to be a god back then does not mean the same thing as what it means to the Church today!!!!
Any way to improve the sound, for the hard of hearing? Thanks. Great teaching.
True Christians believe that Jesus is the messiah the son of God not god the son,
Jesus never claimed to be God, he subjected himself to God in heaven by calling God "My God" 4 times and we know that God does not have a God.
1st Cor 15:24-28 says that Jesus hands back the Kingdom and subjects himself to his God and Father. God is not subject to anyone see 1st Cor 15:27
jazzbassf fenderjazz i don't believe in the trinity. Jesus is the Son of God. Jesus is Lord and Christ. Jesus's Father is God. The New Testament is clear about this.
Joh 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
Jesus clearly said that his Father is whom the Jews say is their God. That is YHWH.
Jeff Krueger excellent reasoning on the scriptures my friend, Jesus is the son of God and never said he was the almighty.
1st cor 15:14-28 shows that Jesus after the millennium subjects himself to his God and father for all eternity, so only God the father is almight and God .
jazzbassf fenderjazz
I hear trinitarians quote John 1 and try to tell me: "See Jesus is the word and the word is God and see Jesus created the world." I try to explain it to them. The word is simply the spoken word of YHWH. This spoken word of God that contains God's purpose and intention became flesh in the man Jesus for Jesus spoke the words of God. Trinitarians are so difficult to talk to. Even when I show them what John wrote about Jesus:
Joh 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
John never directly call Jesus God. I just don't ever see that as much as trinitarians twist, I just don't see it.
Jeff Krueger very simple my friend Jeff, they don't believe Jesus is the Son of God, they believe in a false title for Jesus calling him "God the Son" a title no where in scripture. Yet I can show them true titles like "Son of God" and they absurdly say it means the same thing .I ask them if God the Father is the same as the "Father of God" which is what theyre saying when you analize it with their own absurd reasoning !
The problem with trjnis is that they like fanciful stories to have their ears tickled and not have to accept responsibility for
John 17:3 "This means everlasting life their knowing you the only true God and the one you sent Jesus Christ"
if you're a true Christian then you have to accept Jesus own testimony which they deny . Sad indeed my friend Jeff..... Blessings my friend
Jeff Krueger John 1:1 is a biased trinitarian delusion....I can show them 70 different bible translations that says the word was a god or divine......and John 1:1 doesn't show a trinity it shows two Gods and that would be polytheism.
Clear as mud cause those who disagree with me are wrong said those who disagree with me and the person who says we are both wrong all the way to infinity. But what if I am right?
Tovia Singer , Blondie over here would like to know who sings this version of Adon Olam. Thanks in advance. Also, thank you for smashing the toes and getting me out.
It is clear in John 8:57,58 that Jesus declared Himself to be Yahweh, i.e., the Lord of the OT. Basic to the expression are such passages as Ex 3:14; Dt 32:39; Is 41:4; Is 43:10 where God declared Himself to be the eternally pre-existent God who revealed Himself in the OT to the Jews. Jn 8:57,58 “You are not yet fifty years old," the Jews said to him, "and you have seen Abraham!" “I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
I didn't challenge it but the NT itself tells you that JC is not G-d, so I naturally came to the conclusions that the Christian assertions is wrong. The fact the JC is not G-d is all over the NT.
You're 100% correct. The NT and OT repeatedly say God is ONE. I don't understand how Christians twist their own scriptures to make it fit in their false doctrines. Who does it benefit, except the devil himself?
God is not a man.
No one can see God's face and live.
No one has ever seen God at any time.
All scripture.
It is amazing that with all the scriptiral proof that God has never been a man ,that trinitarians still insist Jesus is God and yet John 1:18 says no one has seen GOD at anytime, and they still cling to a spurious scripture that says God was manifested in the flesh which is ONLY found in the KJV at 1st Tim 3:16 which contradicts Hosea 11:9 ........
***** exodus 6:3 says an angel appeared to him just like the angel at the burning bush.The Angel spoke to them as a representative of God not God himself .Acts 7:38 " New International Version
He was in the assembly in the wilderness, with the angel who spoke to him on Mount Sinai, and with our ancestors; and he received living words to pass on to us."
the bible is pretty clear because no one has seen God at any time John 1:18 Jesus was able to explain him, but no one has seen God at any time my friend.
+OurHumbleLife
And yet people have seen God and lived. Moses spoke with God and even saw his back. God appeared in a cloud to the Israelites. God appeared to Abraham and spoke with him. None of those people died from it. So why does God say no one can see God and live? What does that mean? Think about that for a moment.
Jared Berryman it has always been Jehovah through angels that appeared to men. Acts 7:30,38
John 1:18 no one has seen God at any time....cherry picking verses to prove your believes does not harmonize with God's word.
+jazzbassf fenderjazz
Then I guess I will continue to 'cherry pick' a little bit (you didn't do that at all right?). What John is actually referring to is a verse in the OT that says no one can see God's face and live. God puts Moses in a cleft of a rock and passes by him, so that Moses sees his true form but from behind. Furthermore, God appears in many different ways. There is no indication of scripture that every time God appeared, it was an angel. God fills the temple through his literal presence in the form of smoke. God appears to the prophets directly in dreams and visions. So God changes his form several times in the Old Testament. He speaks with Abraham (there is nothing indicating it is an angel). He appears to Abraham as a smoking pot and firebrand and makes a covenant with him. My point is, that God can appear in different forms. Is there some reason to believe that when God does this that he is not simultaneously on his throne in heaven? The text seems to indicate that the one God is capable of taking on different forms and being in two places at once. In Genesis, the spirit of God hovers over the waters, while God speaks creation into being.
People of Israel were terified to meet God (Exodus 20:18-19) so they said speak to us yourself but not let God speak to us or we will die, God became human (Jesus Christ) so he can talk to us as human. Do you think you can talk to God if appears to you? You will hopeless die. But thank God because of His mercy He wants to talk and saves us through Christ who died for us, Christ was 100% human and 100% God.
I love Dr Singer, Muslim from Sydney, Australia. BTW do Christians really worship a man as I would worship my one G_d.
I'm halachically Jewish. Did Tshuba in my late 30s. I've been asked many times by friends, neighbors, taxi drivers, even the mailman, went Jews don't believe in JC being the Mashiach. I always mention the 3 first asereth hadibroth. For some reason I can't understand, they don't seem to connect JC with avodah zarah. Why?
Nowhere in the Bible does it say that if you don't believe that Jesus is God that you would go to hell. It is a man-made creed(Athanasian Creed)which states that. The only way a person can be saved is by confessing and believing Romans 10: 9,10. ( That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.). If believing in the divinity of Christ was required to be saved, then NOBODY in the first Century Church would have been saved. The doctrine of the Trinity was not even established in the Church until the Fourth Century AD. When we allow man-made doctrines or creeds to determine whether a person is saved or not , then those doctrines or creeds become more important than the Word of God and completely undermine the Word of God and also everything Christ died for. Study to show thyself approved unto God a workman that needeth not to be ashamed rightly dividing the word if truth II Timothy 2:15. We should be willing to do extensive biblical research and find out what is really accurate in God's Word.
Christians for the lions. why ? because a personal experience counts more than all theological science. Talking about and about will never bring you to real. I will die in joy for my Lord Jesus, can you say that as a farizer?
Greetings from Holland
Bless you Sir, some things are best understood in Spirit, for the flesh comprehend it, not!!
I use to be a Christian but HASHEM called me out to TORAH come to find out i had family in the halocost i have Jewish blood parise HASHEM.
If the New Testament is a theological "crime scene" than the Old Testament must be the actual time of the crime. Attacking the New Testament is attacking the Old Testament. Rabbi Tovia has never been able to explain Daniel 2:45 in any satisfactory way. I challenge Mr. Singer to try to interpret the passage. Most of his explanations are ramblings of other things, including stories and his main attack "they don't know Hebrew."
At church I have always been told anyone who doesn't believe in the Trinity has the spirit of the Antichrist.Whenever I questioned why Jesus stated in the Gospel of John "the father is greater than I " or how can Jesus do the will of God going to the cross and pleasing God if He is God or how can the devil tempt God ? Of course the answers always were ridiculous and always ended with Jesus will explain everything after we die and are in Heaven which of course is not able to be proven
@ 20:31, This is the opposite of what you're saying, Rabbi. The scriptures did not tell us that Jesus was like a model looking.
In fact in Isaiah 53 and John 8:15 explained that Jesus was never good looking. . In John 8:15, Jesus was pleading to the Jews not to judge by appearance.
God's intention to come into the world and became flesh is to have a blood atonement for all of us. Because the guidelines that God gave to Moses were never followed perfectly. For example an animal blood sacrifice. The Jews do not have a temple now to perform this task by God's exact commands.
The scriptures say that Jesus performed all of these commandments perfectly to be a perfect lamb and offered up His life for all of us- sinners. And His blood act as the blood of atonement only if you believe in Him by faith - even if that is simple, Christians do fall and backside because we're living in a fallen world.
@Abraham Mani its not backed up by Tanak therefore its not the case
@Abraham Mani we believe in eternal life of the soul, and because we believe we are all born pure and good, we all go to heaven. For us, that’s all their is. We do not believe in original sin or your version of hell nor your devil. That’s Catholic scare tactics which have messed up many a good human. Let it go. Live in the Light of HaShem.
I'm a Christian but there's no way I would break the first commandment by turning Jesus into a golden calf. Not even at threat of death.
Those who blaspheme by saying a man, even Jesus is God are simply worshipping the rebranded pagan gods of Imperial Rome.
When I’ve asked Xians this question, they say the we are overlooking the qualifier, second part of the sentence that says “that he should not lie.”
If I say "I am not a plant that I should use photosynthesis to produce energy," does the modifier mean that I am a plant? In what universe does this modifier mean that I am an oak tree?
They will also tell you isaiah 7:14 is talking about their sinless idol but disregard 15 and 16 which say "by the time he learns to reject the bad and choose the good"
They are lost but so am I it all does not matter HavayaH obviously can wait as there is no true accounting in this reality for people's sins let them worship their idols who cares if He is not going to do anything about it What can we do they will never see they will never hear
what did the rabbi say in 2:55?
*Halim K:* The sound blanks out for a couple of seconds.
So if Tovia himself admits that the New Testament does not explicitly teach that Jesus is God and shows his subordination to God the Father and he admits the early church understood that why is the New Testament a "theological crime scene"? Please respond to this Tovia because you opened up a good point and I think this shows that the New testament is closer to Torah than you think
@@benjaminpease5297 what Greek sub God
@@benjaminpease5297 @Benjamin Pease with all do respect I don't care about what the Rabbi says. An atheist could say anything they want about the Torah but that doesn't make it valid.
Where does the New Testament say anything about this supposed "Greek sub God thing"?
It does not but you want to apply this to the New Testament. The New Testament doesn't teach such a thing.
The New Testament teaches the same thing as the Torah that there is only one God the Father of all creation.
@@benjaminpease5297 So you go back to the rabbi as your ultimate source that is the issue. You cannot disprove that the New Testament teaches the same God as the Torah.
New Testament doesn't teach the trinity. Christians get that from their priests just as Jews get most of their teachings from Rabbis.
I agree the Trinity is blasphemy against God and so does the new testament. The New Testament says there is NO OTHER God but the Father of all creation.
@@benjaminpease5297 No
@@benjaminpease5297 I dont see where the big disagreements come from. Also Amen to the second fact
Because the backlash is profound. Understand that as a white Westerner, it's not merely a religion. It's a culture. The way our grandparents and parents understood and showed love was based on Christianity. Family life, traditions, holidays, home decor, the baseline storyline of movies, poetry, phobias, superstitions, beliefs, commonality, all based on Christianity. Early on, youre taught to only see the love part of Christianity. And youre taught that to wonder or question or doubt is the biggest slap in the face to the deity that loved you so much he died for you and you live your whole life under that guilt. You just always feel guilty. Like a poor person who's always in debt and never have the money to repay. Its abusive and keeps you subservient.
I used to be a Christian. Over the past couple of years, I divorced myself from the Church by actually studying the Bible. I still think Jesus was a great man and teacher, but he is so badly misunderstood by Christians, it's truly a different religion.
Good because he is not. He is God. See Thomas declaration and John chapter 12. When Isaiah was Yahew in a paragraph about Jesus.
Jesus said: By the fruits ye shall know them.
Radical Monotheism exactly like the Jewish Prophets / Jews to believe in a uniquely ONE GOD - without any partners or equals or like a three in one coffee the abomination of the Trinity - plus believing in the Messiah Jesus the Prophet sent by God, and the essential consistency with his doctrine - the Muslim.
The very words that the Father - THE ONLY TRUE GOD - COMMANDED Jesus Christ to say. The doctrine of THE ONLY TRUE GOD that HE COMMANDED Jesus Christ to give.
The testimony of Jesus Christ on the Father:
- The Only True God (John 17:3)
- The Only One Who Knows The Hour (Mark 13:32)
- Greater than I (John 14:28)
- Greater than all (John 10:29)
- My God and Your God (John 20:17)
The doctrine of Jesus Christ =
The doctrine of a Muslim.
(Of course the term Father in the Jewish context. A figure of speech for their times. NOT that God has a literal Son. God has got Son by the Ton in the Bible.)
Defenders of the true honor and status of Jesus Christ
VERSUS
Christianity more like the Greek and Roman doctrines and the pagan doctrines like "God" coming down in human form and human / blood sacrifice that pagans had going hand in hand with Paul's doctrines of easy salvation with blood of an innocent, making the Merciful God in to a blood thirsty vampire.
2000 years ago, the Roman and Greek Empire with its culture and mythological and pagan roots already held the beliefs such as "God coming down in human form". So after witnessing just a single "miracle" from Paul the deceiver they were conforming to their already held beliefs. No wonder when they heard of this guy Jesus with all the stories of his miracles, it was very easy for them to take him as "Son of God" (and this concept later on developed in to taking him as God) as this already went hand in hand with their pagan and mythological belief system. Little wonder that those times and those places and people also had "Triads" and ancient "Trinities" and "God" in threes and stuff.
Acts 14:11
When the crowd saw what Paul had done, they shouted in the Lycaonian language, "THE GODS HAVE COME DOWN to us IN HUMAN FORM!"
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Then of course the abomination of the alleged blood "sacrifice" of Jesus Christ making the Most Merciful in to some blood thirsty vampire. Going against the very teachings of the true Prophets and that includes Jesus Christ.
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Unfortunately, it was the Pauline Christianity and Pauline doctrines, blended with pagan doctrine and backed up by the powerful Roman Empire that eventually won out over the years and wiped out the Jewish Christianity of radical monotheism. Rome didn't convert to "Christianity", "Christianity" converted to Rome.
If Jesus is so badly misunderstood by Christians then let’s see if you can help us correctly understand Jesus since you said you have studied the Bible.
@@ml1712 if I were to spend hours of my time researching for a reply to a RUclips comment on an issue that I basically have zero interest in at this point, would you actually change your mind? Or would you find some lame excuse to ignore it?
God bless the brother David who asked this question. Much love for you brother for your clear true and sound love for The Most Merciful, our Maker ♥️♥️♥️
Constantin instuted Jesus as Gd
No he did not
May Allah guide you for speaking the truth
@cathy newton look judgement belongs to Allah i don't argue
@Abraham Mani how many times are you going to post that comment?
@Abraham Mani I agree with you on this: The devil does not want anyone to be saved from hell..thats why he turned you into idolatry and man worship..now turn back and repent to the God of Abraham..
Allahu Akbar!
So glad you are in the world. You are so intelligent and wise. It is nice to see my world from the "outside". Christianity surrounds. The pressure.........When people pull scripture to follow from both the New and "OLD" testament......just pull scriptures out of context.
So what........it does not SAY that........and the whole point is to read in context. Do not just pick a verse out of context. Thank you!
Bart Ehrman does a great job explaining how Jesus went from completely human to God after his death in "How Jesus Became God". I just finished reading it. Disclaimer, he's an atheist/ex-christian, so don't let that surprise you.
Yeah like the oldest gospel he thinks is Mark that says in its first 3 verses that Jesus is the Son of God and Yehova! 😏 straight off the bat it identifies Jesus as God so what you talking about?
@Abraham Mani it's a state not a place.. you either experience the light of God or the fire...
Not all Christians think Jesus is god. Or even an offspring of God. Typically consistent as always in this belief !
Lol. I appreciate this man. 🙏
But what about "the sons of God"?
(Genesis 6.2 - Psalm 82.6 - Job 1.6 - John 10.34 - Romans 8.14)
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And what about Paul who lived in a time with great knowledge about The Scriptures, saying:
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"For, He put all things in subjection under his feet. But when he saith, All things are put in subjection, it is evident that he is excepted who did subject all things unto him. 28 And when all things have been subjected unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subjected to him that did subject all things unto him, that God may be all in all."
(1 Corinthians 15.-27-)
Morten Kalland read psalm 51;11 .....you have in you His spirit you are Hashem SON ,,,,,,,YOU DON'T NEED THE HOLY SPIRIT TO COME FROM HAVEN HE IS IN YOU ....you are the temple of the holy spirit this is why you must to fallow the law of hashem however if you don't want the spirit in you on you tube is a video SELLING THEIR SOUL THE LUCIFERIAN CONTRACT posted by savedbygrace0909.... please go and watch this video , this life is a big exam if you want the exam you will have the exam every second and in the end you get forever life if you don't want ask hashem that you want only this life and hashem will make you very rich you will get your part on this world
Please explain who were three persons who met Abraham, we're they two angels and God. Why can't God take any form, why not man.
Why can't God take any form, why not man.
Why would He?
God appeared to man in human form at least twice in the Torah. Jesus was #3 or #4. Nothing new, nothing shocking here.
Where does the Bible or Tanakh refer to God, Jesus and the Holy spirit being bound in Trinity? (specifically using the word 'Trinity') It is A misinterpretation of legitimate scripture.
Jesus Christ is the same I AM who I AM, he said in Exodus 34:10 that I make a covenant before all your people I will do marvels such as have not been done in all the earth, not in any nation, and all the people among whom you are shall see the work of the Lord, for it is an awesome thing that I will do with you.
When the Jews rejected Jesus he said in John 15:24, if I had not done among them the works which no one else did they would have no sin, but now they have seen and also hated both me and my father.
Verse 25, Jesus Christ said, this happened that the word might be fulfilled which is written in their law, they hated me without a cause.
And that is found in Psalm 69:4
OOH! I know this one! When I was too young to know better, "Because the Bible tells me so".
hi tov I hope da comment's stay clean
Well... there's Jehovah's Witnesses, rejected by Christians for denying that Jesus is God.
Sorry to spoil all the fun but 'Jehova' is not (our) G'd.
Genesis 32 describes Jacob wrestling with A MAN and then was actually blessed by Him, God in the flesh!!!! Then was blessed by The Lord who changed his name from Jacob to Israel. A God Man who wrestled with Jacob blessed him to become a nation called Israel. Israel was birthed by the blessing of the only true and Living God, Jesus. Israel would never exist without Him.
John 8:53-59:
"Surely You are not greater than our father Abraham, who died? The prophets died too; whom do You make Yourself out to be?” Jesus answered, “If I glorify Myself, My glory is nothing; it is My Father who glorifies Me, of whom you say, ‘He is our God’; and you have not come to know Him, but I know Him; and if I say that I do not know Him, I will be a liar like you, but I do know Him and keep His word. Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.” So the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?” Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM.” Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him, but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple."
THAT'S CLEAR, to anyone who's honest with the text, Tovia.
@Sketchpad Warrior
Yes THAT'S CLEAR that the great "I AM" hid himself and slipped away from the beating of the Jews. 👌
I am a Muslim.
THAT'S CLEAR.
Making a comment to answer the question implied by the title of this video. You have to really believe G=d is before you question who god is.
If Christians would just READ, it clearly says that he was NOT born perfect and was a sinner just like us in every way Heb 5,6,7.
You are silly. Hebrews 7 clearly states who HE is?
Orthodox Jewish Bible
Yehudim in Moshiach 7: For this MALKITZEDEK MELECH SHALEM KOHEN L’EL ELYON, the one "having met Avraham Avinu ACHAREI SHUVO ("after returning") from the slaughter of "the kings and having blessed him", BERESHIS 14:17-20)
2 With whom also "AVRAHAM avinu apportioned MA’ASER MIKOL (a tithe of everything." As for his Name, it is rendered "King of Tzedek (Righteousness)" and then also "Melech of SHALOM."
3 Without Av, without Em, without Yichus, having neither a techillah (beginning) leyamim (to days) of him nor a Ketz HaChayyim, but resembling HaBen HaElohim, he remains a “kohen perpetually,” (Ps 110:4).
4 Now consider how great among the Gedolim this one was to whom also Avraham Avinu gave from his booty a ma’aser (tithe).
5 And the ones of the Bnei Levi have received the Kehunah (Priesthood) and they have a mitzvah to collect the ma’aser (tithe) from the Am Brit, and they have this mitzvah according to the Torah, that is, to collect from their achim, though these also are descended from the loins of Avraham Avinu.
6 But, this man, though not tracing his descent from them, has received ma’aser (tithe) from Avraham Avinu and has given a bracha to the one having the havtachot (promises).
7 Now it is beyond all argument that the greater gives a bracha to the lesser.
8 Notice, in one case, ma’aser are received by mortal men; in the other case, ma’aser are received by one of whom we have solemn eidus (testimony) that hu Chai ("he lives!").
9 One could even go so far as to say that even Levi, who receives ma’aser, has paid ma’aser through Avraham Avinu,
10 For Levi was still in the loins of his ancestor Avraham when Malki-Tzedek met Avraham Avinu.
11 Now if shleimut (completeness) had been attainable through the Kehunah of Levi‖for under it came the Mattan Torah (giving of the Torah) to the Am Brit‖what further need would there have been to speak of another KOHEN arising "according to the order of Malki-Tzedek" TEHILLIM 110:4) rather than "al divrati Aharon"?
12 For when there is a "changing of the guard" of the Kehunah (Priesthood), this behechrach (necessarily) also affects the Torah [Isa 42:4].
13 For the One about whom these things are said belonged to a different shevet (tribe), from which no one has officiated at the Mizbe’ach.
14 For it is ugeret (easily seen, evident) that Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach Adoneinu was descended from Yehudah, and in connection with that shevet (tribe), Moshe Rabbeinu said nothing about kohanim.
15 And it is even more evident if another Kohen arises resembling Malki-Tzedek,
16 One who became a kohen, not by means of a mitzvat haTorah concerning yichus (lineage), but according to the gevurah of a Chayyei Ein Sof (Endless Life).
17 For of Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach comes the solemn eidus, "ATAH KOHEN L’OLAM AL DIVRATI MALKI TZEDEK" ("You are a kohen forever according to the order of Malki Tzedek" TEHILLIM 110:4).
18 For, on the one hand, there is an abrogation of an earlier mitzvah because of its weakness and ineffectuality
19 -For the Torah brought nothing to shleimut (perfection); on the other hand, there is the mavo (introduction) of a tikvah tovah yoter (a better hope) through which we draw near to Hashem-
20 This was attested with a shevu’ah (oath); for others who became kohanim were installed in the office of kehunah without a shevu’ah;
21 But the Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach became a kohen with a shevu’ah (oath) through the One saying to Him, "Hashem has made an oath and will not change his mind, You are a kohen forever" [TEHILLIM 110:4].
22 According to such a shevu’ah of Hashem, Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach Yehoshua has become the arev (surety, guarantee) of a tovah yoter HaBrit.
23 Not only this, but it was the fact that the former kohanim were many in number, because mavet prevented them from continuing in the office of kehunah.
24 But because Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach continues l’olam (forever), he has an unchangeable Kehunah.
25 From which also he is able to completely deliver to the Geulah (Redemption) and Yeshu’at Eloheinu the ones approaching Hashem through him, als (since) he has Chayyei Ein Sof (Endless Life) and always lives to intercede in techinnah (supplication) for them.
26 For such was for us, indeed, a bekavod (suitable) Kohen Gadol, chasid, tamim, tahor, nivdal from chote’im (separated from sinners) and exalted above HaShomayim;
27 A Kohen Gadol who does not have daily need-as do the other Kohanim Gedolim-on the one hand, to offer up zevakhim for his own averos, and then to offer up zevakhim for the averos of the Am Brit. For this Kohen Gadol offered up himself [Isa 53:10], once and for all.
28 For the Torah of Moshe Rabbeinu appoints Bnei Adam as Kohanim Gedolim, Bnei Adam with frailties, but the dvar HaShevu’ah [Ps 110:4], which came later than the Torah of Moshe Rabbeinu, appoints HaBen [Ben HaElohim Moshiach] who came to shleimut (completeness) l’Olam.
Now what did Jesus declare:
John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.”
Peace Be With You
It's crazy because some believe that he is God and some believe that he is the son of God. Smh
The trouble is...the earliest Christian story was about a "god/angel" announcing someone else. Over the century after the story first appeared (and I tend to treat its appearance as 66-70 c.e.), the story morphed a bit. The person originally announced was relegated and the Jesus/ISU character upgraded to "messiah" status, complete with new "birth stories" and genealogies.
It was part of a "Two Powers in Heaven" thing.
So...while Islam may not have Jesus as a God/Angel...they still have a Jesus.
And for some reason they think of Mohamed as the "Arabic paraclete" even though an Idumean-related person already was that, at least 500 years before Mohamed.
Two Powers in Heaven tried to make out that HaShem was a "lesser" God, Plato's "Demiurge." That the ISU/Jesus was son of a "higher, supposedly-Good God."
Perhaps that paradigm might have been easier to mull over and eventually reject...but unfortunately, Irenaeus and the proto-Catholics added a newer paradigm that made it harder to detect.
Regardless...Jesus as "God/part of God/Second and Independent God is a null idea. So too is that he might have been a prophet...because I think that idea came more out of the Samaritans' ta'eb idea than it ever came out of Torah.
Samaritans and Hellenicists really seemed to be the big fans of it initially anyway.
In the end...Jesus isn't the God of the Torah/Tanahk. He's just something that eventually progressed from the first PSEUDO-Hebrew narrative that Sanballat the Horonite set in motion. He's not a prophet...because as the Samaritans' SINGLE prophet like/greater than Moses...I don't think he's done much for the Samaritans themselves. That's acutely noticeable by their current state of affairs.
The truth is sometimes painful to swallow.....
I don't base my belief in Jesus on him being God, or performing miracles, or raising from the dead, or being born from a virgin.
In the Tanakh God uses the conjunction "if" to indicate human responsibility. Of course if bad conduct reaches a certain level of fulfillment you may reach the point of the proverbial "writing on the wall," in which case it's too late.
In Malachi 4:5-6 it is stated that Elijah will return. presumably if this was a supernatural occurrence, who would not unite together as God wished? But if this was a more organic manifestation such as Elijah working in spirit with a particular person as it seems Jesus suggested was John the Baptist's designated role, in response to his disciples question: "Master why do the people say Elijah must return?" It may take a deeper more mature spiritual life to perceive or accept such words from Jesus. A prophet should be able to see this phenomenon of cooperation, of which such said ability is described by Paul as the Gift of the Discerning of Spirits which is one of the nine gifts of the Holy Spirit.
The prophets had the Baptism of the Holy Spirit with the exception of tongues and the interpretation of tongues. That is to say, all the gifts enumerated by Paul were present with the prophets. There did not seem to be the expulsion of evil spirits except in the instance with Saul to the same degree that it was a feature in Jesus' ministry.
We can see that Jesus' disciples were not versed in scripture through the question they asked to Jesus: "Why do the people say Elijah must return?"
Jesus preached in the synagogue first. Blue collar disciples were his default choice.
He said John the Baptist was the Elijah.
The Messiah comes to fulfill the Will of God = Original Purpose of Creation. The mission of the Messiah should be understood from the perspective of mission, not personality. He is the Second Adam. If Almighty God cannot save man without man's portion of responsibility being fulfilled, why is it reasonable to assume that it would be different for the Messiah who comes to fulfill the Original Purpose of Creation? From this perspective The Messiah does not come to die. Paul could not explain this. Jesus was born free from satanic accusation. This was his qualification to be the Messiah. Satan's purpose is to induce the Messiah to throw away his mission. When Jesus was not accepted he could not abscond to Greece. He had to say, "unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds." Therefore is death was a secondary plan contingent upon his heart being able to not be accused and made to curse people through resentment. Through the phenomenon of rebirth, and spiritual experiences that can be mobilized (the Baptism of the Holy Spirit) a foundation had to be recreated for the Second Coming of the Messiah. multi racial Christianity on the world level is this foundation.
@Abraham Mani When Saul sought out the spirit of Samuel, he spoke to Saul. Jews do believe in the afterlife, spirit world or whatever you prefer to call life after death.
Mark 12 28-29
“The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord *OUR GOD* the Lord is one.
Three persons of the Trinity? Uhh? Please show me where the Holy Ghost speaks to the son, or even where the Holy Spirit speaks to the Father, please?
@cathy newton ,
Three persons of the Trinity? Uhh? Please show me where the Holy Ghost speaks to the son, or even where the Holy Spirit speaks to the Father, please?
Excellent question! Not only do they want Jesus as messiah, they also want him as a deity! Worst form of avoda zara (idol worship) and the most severe bastardization/insult of Torah/Tanakh! A good follow-up question would be that how come Christianity is not exposed for what it truly is - a Hellenistic Reform Pseudo-Judaism movement!
John's Gospel Shows Strong Evidence of being Edited.
Let me show you an example.
John 20:30-31
30 Therefore many other signs Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.
This was the original ending of John's Gospel.
But there is another chapter in John's Gospel....chapter 21.
John 21:25
25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, which if they *were written in detail, I suppose that even the world itself *would not contain the books that *would be written.
This is the ending that we have now in our Bibles for John's Gospel.
This is proof positive that John's Gospel was edited and this makes it unreliable
Stuart Shephard...not only that...it also shows signs of being somewhat Gnostic...and seems to be a lot more Samaritan than most people would realize. Hardly anyone here might have heard of the Samaritan Ta'eb concept...or the idea that...since the Samaritans after Sanballat the Horonite JETTISONED the real nevi'im, they could only look to a SINGLE future prophet like/greater than Moses, fit to usher in a "new, more perfect law." The problem seems also to have an innovative section of Samaritans who weren't exactly orthodox in the Samaritan sense, called the Dositheans or as Muslims know them, the Dustan. Either way...once one DOES know a bit more about the Samaritan ideas...John 4 comes across ESPECIALLY as more to do with the Samaritan Ta'eb concept. And John 8...two accusations. One of them Jesus answered. The accusation about being a Samaritan? He never replied to that one. There seems to have been a writer around the mid-2nd century who brouoght a Gospel of John into being...and around the late-2nd century, Irenaeus definitely edited it.
But the kicker is...even if John's gospel were written in 110 c.e., it would still be AFTER any works by Philo...who spoke about the Logos WAY earlier. BUT, Philo was a Hellenicist-Jew, trying to mix Hebrew Scripture and concepts with PLATO and GREEK PHILOSOPHY.
Even the writer of Acts seems to have been aware of the early Samaritan and Hellenicist threads. Acts 3 and Acts 7 definitely show some Samaritan ideas...including Stephen thinking SHECHEM was where Abraham buried Sarah, not Hebron.
19:25: I've been considering the distinction between being perfect and being sinless. The Gospels attest that through his divinity Jesus commited no sin during his earthly life, but he also took on imperfect human flesh and faced the same temptations as all of us. A mystery. Yes, I am a follower of Jesus. Shalom.
As a Christian kid I loved the Jews but wondered why they didn’t see Jesus as their God and killed him. I remember being drawn to the holocaust and met a survivor and bought her book. I guess we felt compassion for Jews because we were told their eyes are blind.
"why they didn’t see Jesus as their God"
Because this is idolatry and against the Tanakh
the deification of Jesus (or any other human being, Hebrew "ben adam" = son of man) is the worst form of idolatry
Most Christians don’t understand Jesus’ prehuman existence and they don’t understand the personal naming conventions Hashem used to describe spirit beings, which carried over to certain human tribes in the east. Western cultures are not too sophisticated in this area, and are confused by this and other orientalisms. Another issue comes with translation into English, which is vague and primitive compared to Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew.
ppl go more by what they are told wrather than understanding of what scripture says. . .
if you are afraid of death or losing your things you are worldly and do not know God :-)
the bible never says Jesus is God. when on trial they asked Jesus who is perfect you? and Jesus said no none is perfect but our Father in Heaven!
Jesus was a Jew, He believed the Shema and he even taught the Shema.(Mark 12:29) Jesus never claimed or believed that he was God! Sadly The Trinity was forced upon Catholicism at the Council of Nicaea in the year 325AD. Modern mainstream "Christianity" is a mixture of Paganism and Christianity. True Christianity rejects the pagan doctrines.
@Lidia Magdalina The early church didn't believe in or even teach the Trinity until the year 325 AD. That's when it was forced upon unwilling Bishops at the Council of Nicaea of The Catholic Church. Nowadays, unlike the past, with the internet and availability of old history books, the truth is available, just seek it. "I didn't know" will not be an acceptable excuse on Judgment Day. The question of; Who is Jesus? Was asked and addressed by Jesus himself. The answer that he received and he accepted as the correct answer should also be accepted by all true Christians without argument, and without adding to or subtracting from it. The same answer that Jesus accepted .
Matt.16:13-17 When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, “Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?” So they said, “Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven”.
We can learn from scripture by what it says, and sometimes we can also learn from scripture by what it does not say.
When asked by our Blessed Savior, "But who do you say that I am?" Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God," Jesus was pleased by Peter's answer. He did not correct him, neither did Jesus add to Peter's answer, instead Jesus praised him, and told Peter that his answer did not come from anyone's own personal opinion, but was divinely inspired by The Almighty God of Heaven.
So again, when Jesus asked Peter, "Who do you say that I am?" Did Peter give Jesus an incorrect answer? Or did Peter give Jesus only a partial answer to his question? Did Peter forget to mention something else? No, Peter's answer pleased Jesus because it was the perfectly true and correct answer, lacking nothing, and Jesus told Peter his answer to whom Jesus is, was inspired by The Heavenly Father.
So why then should we follow the traditions of men, and add to Peter's perfect answer?
Jesus asked Peter "Who do you say that I am?" because our Savior wanted it recorded in scripture for all mankind, both present and future, to know who he really is! If we disagree with or add to Peter's correct answer to whom Jesus is, we are arguing with Jesus and we're also disagreeing with The Father, Jesus Christ's God. Who Is Jesus? Case closed! Jesus answered the question; I believe our Savior!!! Don't you? Jesus settled the controversy, That's good enough for me.
(Eph.1:3)Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ,
Jesus is God
@@-.George. , No Jesus Christ's Father is God, (John 20:17)Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.
Behemoth, Does God have a God who He obeys? Does God pray to His God?
@@4321grp God in the flesh prayed to God on God's throne. God is not in one person but is in two persons. In Genesis there are two persons of God. It was the Son who drove Adam and Eve out of paradise. You forget that Jesus שישו told his disciples to pray in spirit.
@@-.George. , Nonsense!
Early Christian selling features; you don’t have to circumcise nor follow 613 commandments including the kosher laws.
Hello all, If you go to "biblegateway" you will be able to read most of the English translations available to us. Pleas note that all of them are the work of Trinitarians for sale to Trinitarians. The result is that the doctrine is inserted into the text in every place where possible. You must go to the Hebrew and Greek to find the truth.
Noone in the old testament was born again and being that true men of God (i.e; Joseph, Moses, Ezekiel, Isaiah, etc) did not have the holy spirit living on the inside of them essentialy should be a clue also. I've heard people for years say if you are not born again (holy spirit living in you) you'll be eternally separated from God forever in hell. So if it was possible to go into the kingdom without being born again that in itself should show it was by both the law and grace as prior to Jesus these men/prophets also made some stupid decisions/mistakes that were quite drastic, Moses being the most obvious of course and failed in different ways with what God wanted him to do, but yet God still used him and didn't reject him. It's never by grace alone but by us loving God and keeping his commandments through repenting and coming to the end of ourselves. God is trying to make it simple for us to understand but unfortunately we still question him...
My friend said to me “ he is one being, who is the IAM that IAM , who manifest himself to Be IAM that IAM in my life whatever I need for him to be in my life he is.
I think she’s saying G-d manifested at Jesus.
She’s also said to me that “Yaushua Hamashiac is the WORD, he is Father’s WORD. He is our Sabbath rest. I’m not going back to Egypt. (A spiritual Egypt, because it’s a spiritual battle.) who deceived you”
I don’t know why but once I believed what she’s telling me. I’ve been in constant prayer since she showed me the video Caesar’s Messiah, which lead me to you. I have your books. I have 2 Christian Bibles and a Jewish one and I’m not believing in what she believes anymore. Why wouldn’t G-d reveal it in the Tanakh? if it’s true He will lead me back to it. How would you respond to her?
Because they do not understand thatba 'son of god' is just 'fruit the command' (Bar-Mitzvah). And if you knew, what they don't know... you'd be able to end the battle of all battles, burn a bunch of 'paper swords' and bring the blessing of peace to a hurting world. I 'know'.
God is a Spirit ! But he made man his image and likeness.... body/flesh... spirit....and soul!
Maybe you people are the contradictions, not the Bible? Funny how the image and likeness of God is in 3 forms but we selectively choose the one that suits our precious religion.
Because it is not an issue with us, that is, Christians.
Can you explain Exodus 15:3? YHVH is a man of war.
'Ish milchamah' is not 'man of war' but 'Master of war'. 'Ish' can mean husband, man, lord, master, male, mankind, champion.. But in this case, clearly 'Master' or 'Lord' is meant.
simple answer God is nit a man, doesn't mean God could not become a man, but thia verse or statement doesn't even mean God in a foem of a man, it describes God's attributes, i think there is onother verse, God is nit a man that he should lie to human kind like we do to eachother, God is not a man that he He can be corruotet, God is not a man that he will die and ceased to exist, God is not a man that he gets hungry, so that statment is to describe God's attributes rather than, God is not a man, and could never become a man or have son who became word and fleah so see
Did he just say in Genesis the word is not pleural?
Why would they need to???
One question Rabbi Tovia Singer: who”s talking about in Isaiah:66:3 ? Please answer me here. Who is that person ?
It is so clear that the Little Horn of the 4th Beast of Daniel (PBH) 7 is the very blasphematory doctrines of Christianity. So clear!
@cathy newton no, I am not. I am Muslim and my belief is much more similar with the core of Judaism: to believe in the Creator of life and death, the eternally One and Unique and the only One to devote worship to straight, without any intermediary or associate; never to worship any from the creation (celestial or worldly) but to treat creation kindly.
@cathy newton are you Jewish ?
@cathy newton I understand why you don't see the similarity between Judaism and Islam. But as a Christian even you would agree with the following:
1. Islam and Judaism are both Abrahamic are both monotheistic. In both, God is absolutely One, doesn't have any partner. It's Him alone that worship is due to. In both to love your neighbor as yourself is key.
2. In both God is Merciful there's no motion of a necessary human sacrifice as atonement for sin. In both God forgives to those repent and reform their way according to His commandments (Ezechiel 18.21-22 and Qur'an 3.135)
3. In both God doesn't incarnate but manifests His signs in creation.
4. Both have a divine law each (Tawrat and Shari'a)
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@cathy newton I have responded please.
@cathy newton you didn't read all. Please read all my reply. I have outlined the similitude between the Muslim and the Jewish beliefs. I have not said they are the same. I say they are similar. Please make a little effort to read through.
Thank God, not all Christians are with that claim.
God is not a man... that he should lie. the emphasis is not on God being a man(or not), but rather not possessing the propensity of man to lie. The statement in no way limits how God can manifest/reveal Himself.
Tovia Singer I am a christian I have a question / comment for you please no one else answer. First shalom my friend. Ok the Glory of God dwelled sometimes in the tabernacle right this movable tent , and dwelled inside the Holy of Holiess right ? So why not inside a man ? Ok I have always thought that Jesus subjected himself as it is written in philipians made himself I.e. humbled himself in a fashion of a man I know you know about kabbala & Ein soph so isnt possible that God in somewhat of the same way through an avatar simular to how he controled the Angel of the Lord he himself became submissive ? I love God im sure no one here believes me they and you think im an evil pagan who doesnt know God. I fight with many christians because they need spoon feed theology if u question your bashed and bullied ! So I guess I dont fit in anywhere shalom
Christopher
Why I ask, if Christians are so into the new Testament, why did and I ask again, why did they include some and I say some of the Old Testament which refers to the Jews?.. Christians should only read a book of just the new Testament if they want to go by that Yahshuah is the messiah.. Evidently they want to pick and choose what they wanted to put in the old Testament to try and I say try to make it look good for their uneducated belief.
Ask Jesus who you are?
I suppose he will never say I am the God nor the son of God.
If you read bible he never said like that with his own mouth initially but someone else said it first than he said it.
I do not believe Jesus as God but I know he is really brave and rightous man who was agaist Roman empire, the barbarian without Torah.
When Korea was a colony of Japan abot 70years ago there were many martyr who fought against Japan and were cought than executed by them like Jesus.
So every Korean people do respect them even some people make small temples for them as regarding them as God.
I believe it is really similar to Christianity.
What I want to say is this I think Jesus was like martyr
who love his own country more then his life.
So he chose this way to meet pilate the governor in israel at that time and proclaim that I am the king of Israel to show pride of Israel even though he had to face threaten of death on a cross.
I wana let you know one thing about Korea tradition.
If a korean die with whatever reason he was no longer called man, human being, but guisin in korean this means a god or a ghost, spirit.
In this sense Jesus might be a god like any dead Koreans!