The BEST $50 Amplifier!? Moondrop Dawn Pro!
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
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One of the things I respect most about Moondrop is that they're not afraid to release products that directly compete with other of their own products. They did this with chu vs quark, and now they're doing it again. Most other companies would have nerfed the performance of the cheaper one to make sure they're not competing directly.
its like them sayng, hey youre doing great on sales, now its time for you to be stopped by your younger better brother and so on lol. love that company, they listen to the feedbacks too when releasing new iterations, which what made me a fan. for sure they will release a next version with no holes on it because of the things theyre getting with this. but its a good start nonetheless
@@ViaRosalesVlogs honestly sometimes new versions is one step forward two steps back
Chu were awesome (i bought more than one pair and am using one of them right now because bought one specifically to leave them at work), while they aren't really great at technical aspects like imaging and sound stage, they have really great neutral-ish tuning which i really like
A week ago I got Chu II and while their cable is great enough to replace the kit one from my Starfields, they now sound pretty generic. I still like them but I like the first generation more. And while I bought two pair of Chus for two different places, I believe I'm gonna buy two pairs of ChuChus for two cables (cuz it worths its 19$)
@@ser_igel you should get the moondrop lan if you like the chu's tuning. theyre the true successors to the chus, inheriting the neutral tuning while the chu iis have a more v shaped tuning. the cable is also miles ahead of the chu and better than the chu iis
small package with high thrust.
In the words of moondrop themselves: "large thrust"
The thrustiest of small packages
Size doesn't matter
2inchs at 100mph lol
@@TRASHxPANDAx💀💀💀
Picked up one of these immediately after release due to the surprisingly low price. Expectations weren’t too high, but I’ve been thoroughly enjoying it. Very impressive power for its size. Haven’t felt the need to use my desktop amp for weeks. Great to hear your perspective on it!
Good to know! Have been thinking about picking one up. I’ve just been using an apple dongle for my IEMs so I’m excited to upgrade. Although I’m aware it’s diminishing returns after a certain point.
Good to know! Have been thinking about picking one up. I’ve just been using an apple dongle for my IEMs so I’m excited to upgrade. Although I’m aware it’s diminishing returns after a certain point.
@@nftbandit9645 Yeah, the Apple dongle is actually a really good performer. I quite like it for IEMs, especially given that it’s so discreet and affordable. I don’t notice any difference in audio quality going to the Dawn Pro, really, but definitely a huge difference in power output. The Dawn Pro drives my open-back headphones of relatively high impedance with no issues.
could this power hd 6xx which are 300ohms? I have no room anywhere for a small desktop amp, and definitely don't wanna spend the money as I just spent $400 on headphones.
@@braxfl7462 incredibly late response, but yes. I’m using it now with the HD600 and it can drive them loud on the 4.4mm balanced output. The single-ended output might struggle a bit more. The video covers the HD600 also, which will pretty much be identical to the HD6XX.
This is RIDICULOUSLY good for $49 and perfect for any trips. It's amazing that you can have such portability with that sound quality, that's why it's great not only for travels or at work, but also for desktop use. No need to spend more than this on a portable DAC unless you plan to use low sensivity gear. It's indeed a no brainer at its price tag and will redefine the segment. Moondrop did an outstanding job.
does it works for a low-power speakers? (40W)
I got this AMP/DAC. I love it already. Drives my HD600 like a boss. Sounds great. The sampling filters on the app work well - they have a noticable, good effect on volume
I just got one, had to wait 2 months for production to catch up but finally listened to it and I was blown away. Using my Moondrop Beautiful World so I got to test 3.5 and 4.4mm options and can say the balanced output is 2x louder, a lot of power for IEM's. Honestly I'm enjoying just being able to put my source at 100% and then use the 100 tiers of volume the Dawn Pro offers to finely adjust my sound.
My one negative is that default source quality is signalled by a bright red LED... not some nice soft blue or white. Just a harsh red. Tempted to upsample my source just to change the colour but have no idea what effect that would have on quality.
I've own two DAC/AMP's, The FiiO E10K-TC and now the Moondrop Dawn Pro. Have to say they are both extremely good for what they offer and I'd struggle to pick between the two but based off price alone, Moondrop wins. I think Fiio has the overall better package but at a higher price and less portable.
With the Dawn Pro I'm not trying to figure out an option to get it to work on my iPhone. Need some Adapter or cable that will work and support audio.
Recently bought this. Very pleased with it so far. Couldn't vouch for how it drives headphones since I only use IEM's.
Would love to see other videos on other great budget amps and/or dac/amps
Thank you for mentioning the 'compatibility' with the planars! appreciate it so much
Was literally about to pull the trigger on the Moondrop Dawn pro until I saw this on HiFiGo... This has so many features wit the built in battery, low/high gain, and multiple outputs. I think I might pick this up. Now I wonder how they compare in terms of sound. Thanks for the review
Dang I bought a Questyle M15 that was around 230ish dollars on sale a while back , crazy if this little guy could get close to that for only 50 dollars.
Questyle has better amplification. More natural and warm
@@DCer0 okay but like the fact something thats just 50$ is an actual competitor to something 4x its price is already bad for the expensive one
@@augustuslunasol10thapostle if you want something really good AND cheap, there is a Qudelix 5k. You can't beat that for value
Looks like it slots in nicely between the Apple dongle and the Qudelix 5K, if you need more power but don't care about PEQ and BT.
Quedelix has more power I think (240 vs 125 mw), and I quite like how they drive my sundara. Especially with the eq of the quedelix applied.
Yeah, Qudelix is still top.
You should review more dongles, like cayin ru7 (Fully Balanced Resistor Networks Discrete 1-Bit DAC), cayin ru6 (r2r), HiBy FC6 (R2R DAC/AMP with Darwin Architecture), Qudelix's new T71 (DSP built in with Four ES9219C SABRE HiFi® DAC, etc etc..
Qudelix 5K. Drives Sundara/ 6XX. End game for many!
For those concerned with the holes, geekria has a rebranded lamscat with the same chipset. Doesnt have the holes. So there is an alternative. It doest cost 10 dollars more though so keep that in mind
What product is it sir?
trust me,those holes are the real problem.if water or sweat get inside it's dead, that's how i lost my dawn pro.
@@吴佳璠 I had no idea. I didn't even think about that. I just happened to have another dongle with the same chipset
Duck tape the holes for 1$
I would pay a little more and get the Qudelix 5k. You can use it as either USB Dac, Bluetooth, or both at the same time with multiple devices.
I needed a small device to use at work with my laptop dock and the Qudelix is perfect. I either use that or the Hip Dac at work.
"a little more". From $50 to $110. Yeah right.
The qudelix also has quite a high noise floor compared to the dawn pro soo...
@yuunashiki i mean the 5k is quite older so the price should be around 70 to 80 realistically if you are willing to purchase used, i copped one myself last year for around 85$ used (converted from my currency).
thats only 96KHz/24bit. The dawn pro is higher 32 bit and 386KHZ or w/e. But i would get for that price range, a S.M.S.L D12, its even better than dawn pro i believe.
What's better at $50 if this is only top 10?
I wish there were more options for portable tube amps. I wish that audeze headphones and iems were available at a magnolia hifi since that's where I go whenever I go to best buy since sony acquired audeze and hopefully audeze will be available in the mainstream at stores while still retaining what audeze is known for. I saw the focal bathys at hawthorne stereo and the sennheiser orpheus at the definitive audio store but the employee working at the store told me that I need to set up an appointment to try them out but the store did not have any customers just the employees.
Seems like a great match for the Moondrop Kato. My only concern is those holes. I don't like that there's a needles point of failure (water damage) where heatsinks could could have been used to solve the same problem.
Hopefully we get a revision to this as the Moon River 2 Ti revised the design of its progenitor.
Look up geekeria dongle dac. They have one with the same chipset that doesn't have holes. Cost 10 bucks more though
maybe the hole there for heat to escape
@@syarifsaiya1040 probably is. My geekria dongle has the same chipset and gets a little warm if I use it for more than an hour. So I'd assume it probably is
@@syarifsaiya1040 Yes, I know that. That's why I said they could have used heatsinks to do the same thing.
@@Mageoftheyearsome people can't 🤬 read
I almost brought this, but portability was far more important so I wouldn't have to keep my phone in my pocket all the time. Looks like a nice little DAC/AMP that I might pick up if I just want something to leave in my computer presently.
That's where I'm at with this dongle as well. Currently, I alternate from using my HiBy FC3 dongle between my phone and at my computer setup paired with my amp. It's not too much of a hassle, but sometimes I want to just leave my dongle in my bag for when I'm out and about and I accidentally leave it at my desk.
I saw the thumbnail and $50 and I legit thought that was a picture of a new Schiit product. Looks like a keychain made my Schiit
Ibasso DC03 Pro, Truthear Shio, Tanchjim Space, and JCally AP10 are other affordable dual CS43131 or CS43198 dongles that are competitive with this. But $50 price is hard to beat.
Just got the Shio, four days ago and was debating whether to get the Dawn Pro. Good to know there would be basically no difference 👍
EPZ TP20 is 47 bucks
Liked the video - Appreciate the budget content!
Hope you can do tier list of best budget amp dac combo. Something like this.
Shout-out to one of the most famous audiophile guys on this platform for using the perfect storm of a weighted base and solid mount for the condenser microphone to pick up the subtle nuance of copious elbow thumps and hand thunks as he speaks
sm7b is dynamic.
FiiO KA13 review when? $80 but does 1100mW on 4.4
Good well explained not overly technical review.
Bro, really digging your hair, on point 👍🏼
I wonder how close this is sonically to the Questyle M15.
Well i need to correct you on the moon river 2, Maximum Output Power: 4.4mm: 32Ω 280mW, 300Ω 53mW, this one max out at 32Ω 120mW for balance, its enough though the moon river 2 is still quite a bit better, so?
I was waiting for this for the Aria 🙃
It seems it has exactly the same characteristics (except MQA) like the TempoTec Sonata BHD Pro has, which it is 25 € more expensive!
Seems more like Sonata BHD, that is cheaper and all the difference with Pro is MQA support.
"Is this the best dac/amp for $50? It's close."
Well, close to which other dac/amps? It would have been really helpful if you would have mentioned a comparable competitor or two. Or three or...
But since you didn't, let me ask you outright: which dac/amps, in your knowledgeable opinion, ARE the best in this price range? You have a lot more access to equipment than we do.
No offense, I wouldn't want to hear your opinions if I didn't respect them. But I think you missed an opportunity to send us all scrambling to research what would work best for each of us.
This was a great review, I'd love if you could do a review on the new SMSL DO400 for around 500$
It looks like a lil' tiny Schiit
I got it for the same reason, looks like a mini asgard
this or the Ifi Go Link?
Thanks for another great review! How does this compare with the macbook pro's headphone jack for iems?
Yes
ifi go link vs moondrop dawn pro
Which on better
Joshua, what would be the best amp-dac for 50usd? I was recently considering the moon river 2 to compliment my listening on the go with iems. But this video really caught my eye at the right time
How would you say these compare to the FiiO KA5?
There's also the Shio dongle which it's pretty interesting!
Hey Josh, do you think these could sufficiently drive the 800s for the occasional, casual couch listening session?
Would love to know other options in this range. Around 50$ mark which are as good or even better.
Don't know why, but I always think that for big phones (580 jubilee in the case) big / desktop DACs/amps are need, now that my topping "implode" this moondrop looks a good alternative. :)
I think this one, only using the dual CS4131 dac chip for amplification, why don't go with little bit more with the one that have separate amp chip to boost the power like dc04pro, link2 bal, etc... that maybe the reason it cannot fully drive the planar....
Is it better than the Dragonfly Cobalt? Considering sound only and not the price difference, any thoughts welcome.
I'm wondering this as well.
Please make a video of the option for budget dacs :)
Does it have its own battery? If not that is bad for phone use.
Is this good for gaming?
Can you get shock absorber for your mic (or filter out the thumps or stop touching the table). It ruins otherwise great video. Thank you.
Those vents make it look like a mini Nomad.
Were this out at the time of buying Shanling UA1s(more than half a year ago) I would've extremely regretted that purchase. But now I'm just jealous
Reason why its not powerfull on most phones is purely due to software coding and limitation of maximum volume it can be modified with android devices pretty easily if u root your smartphone idk if u can do anything with Apple though
How’s it compare to my ibasso dc04 dongle
Did you try the planars with a balanced cable?
passive cooling is smartfrom Moondrop, i have FiiO ka13 which has even more power but it gets too ho,t has zero passive cooling everything is closed in that chase and its getting around 42-45 degrees celsius which is too much to comfortable hold or have in pockets as small portable device that is not good
Just get any E1da product if you want power and sound quality. Best small dac/amps I know. They are cheap, usually 80-120$
I was looking to invest in this product for my T50RP’s. My iPhone 15 pro + Ikkolot USB-C dongle drives them loud enough, but I want just a little more volume. Bass response with this combo is terrific though!
You sure the Dawn won’t drive them louder than a simple iPhone + Ikkolot?
Hi, I hope you can help me with a recommendation.
I have the Phillips SHP9500 with V-moda boom pro and I use them in a laptop, the audio quality is very good. But I would like to upgrade a little more with a DAC, AMP or DAC& in the $120 price range and if possible that is very good for the HD560s.
Thanks.
The moon river should have significantly more wattage, the same wattage you said planars
I recently got one, and it was a lemon. The vol buttons did not work and rattled in the casing..
So that was my experience
Would love to find out how this compares with the Truthear Shio.
Can I run my focal elex on this? I know it isn't ideal but I'm spending almost all of my budget on the headphone and I want to use this with my phone only since I have a sound card that I can plug my heaphones in to at home.
Would love to hear your thoughts on this.
Can you step front or back the songs when hold pressing the volume buttons like, for example, the fiio btr5 does? It is useful when you have it in your pocket and the mobile phone does only volume up and down.
hello, total noob here, If I buy one like this will I be able to enjoy my IEMs at its fullest?
What would pair well with the Sundara that would be recommended instead of this?
Just ordered this from Audio64 (US dealer out of NY).
I ONLY OWN A SHANLING UA1s would buying this moondrop dawn pro be a upgrade? or are these 2 dac/amp similar quality? im a begginer to the hobby
I would like a comparison with bigger dac/amp
Will the grill make it really vulnerable to liquid damage?
Can this power Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro 250ohm? Planning to use this on an Android for portable set up.
compare it to ibasso dco3 pro since they are the same chips and close in price. I own ibasso dco3 pro and pair it with tanchjim kara with tip and cable rolling. The sound is amazing on apple music lossless.
The thumbnail made me think this was going to be 15x bigger. I thought it was going to be a desktop amplifier because of the holes and the shape of the amp
It can definitely drive my moondrop para
Fun fact I found, there's is next to 0 images or videos of the back side of the deck, only the front
What is the best DAC under 50$ in ur opinion?
This is better than MOONDROP DAWN 3.5 MM - MINI DAC/AMP USB ?
Would it work to help benefit the likes of hifiman he5xx?
I'm a complete newcomer when it comes to DACs, would you say this one is sufficient to power headphones like the DT 990 Pro from Beyerdynamic (250 ohm) ? Will it be loud enough?
How compares with the tea from khadas?
one of the dacs of all time
1:41 No, this is just wrong and I'd expect you to know better. 4Vrms is a measurement of output power, just as 120mW is. It's just a cleaner way of writing it down and you can estimate the wattage you'll get with your specific headphones (4V / 32Ohms = 125mW). Also there are other dacs boasting higher output, e.g. the Fiio E10K lists 200mW with only a single usb-c in as well (I'm not saying the other specs are on par, I haven't looked at those). Saying this dongle "can push a lot of headphones [...] because the Voltage is so high" is plain BS and while I don't expect an everyday headphone buyer to know what the Vrms measurement means I expect a professional reviewer not to read from the marketing material without understanding what it says.
But I'm sure you get more clicks this way, so whatever.
The voltage and current capabilities aren't always going to line up. You stick some 600 ohm headphones on it and you want voltage. Planars might be sub 20 ohms and high current under certain situations and might hit the current limiter in the chip.
@@mikafoxx2717 If it's not a problem with IEMs it's not gonna be a problem with any planar. Besides, while there may technically be a maximum current it's certainly not what Josh was referring to
I have no clue what you're talking about, but let's fight about it. ☺️
Is it good for Modhouse Argon Mk3 (planar drivers I think)? Which is the cheapest budget dac+amp you would recommend for the Argon Mk3? Also, if you say it is top 5 (top 10) amplifier, which are the other 4 (9) you can recommend?
new to the hobby. Is it okay to buy this because this is more expensive than the IEM i have. It's a zero 2 iem
Yes!
If you buy more iems later on its a good investment
Is this the best budget dac/amp for HD6XX?
Windows 11 and android phone
I bought this with no expectations,, but turns out to be my best buy on 2023 😂😂
This things even can drive my Sundara what the…….
call me stupid, but can I hook this up to my S22 Ultra and use Tidal, accompanied by good IEMs?
QC ISSUES. Mine stopped working today in less than four months.
Wonder how it compares to Fiio KA5.
almost equal,but it's price is just half of the fiio(at least in china it is)
but those holes make it VERY VERY FRAGILE TO WATER,don't let water get in or it will be dead,that is how my dawn pro broken.
You can use it with a lighning to C cable right?
I lately bought my first IEM, wanted to start cheap and bought some KZ ZS10 Pro X. Problem is on windows and my PC, the volume is extremely high even on the minimum 2. So I bought a cheap adapter for with volume but I feel like when using it I don't have the "full range of sound" (gaming, music, movies), it's like it's missing details. Do you think such an amplifier would help me get decent volume control and "full range" of sound?
Thanks.
Reminds me of a schiit fulla and fulla 2 without the knob.
Excited to see how this will do with the 15 Pro!
Got this with 15max pro and it sounds good.
Appreciate you are going for a certain aesthetic with your photography, but the device takes to about 5% of the shot each time you show it, with a slow pan making it hard to focus on.. Would much rather less artistic shots that clearly display the product you are reviewing.
Can u use the 3.5 and 4.4 at the same time?
Do you have a recommendation of a portable mediaplayer (that playes flac ofc) the phone?
How it sounds compared to Fido Btr7?
Hey Josh, how does volume control work with this on phones?
They usually have limited volume controls and I'm afraid of blowing my ears out jf using wkth sensitive IEMs
Same as Fosi Audio DS2 2024 version?
@JoshuaValour Can you suggest a portable dac/amp that would power the Hifiman Sundara? Love the sound of my Sundaras but I want to use them with my Steam Deck when I travel, but the desk does not have the power they need.