I have both of these and my view is that the chameleon is an SMG pretending to be an AR and the Wolverine is just a straight AR. Both melt but the Wolverine can melt at med- long range, and the Chameleon just melts at close to short range. I love both as I use the chameleon as secondary on my sniper build and I use the Wolverine as my primary on my skill build.
@@thewolfords1943 i got refreshed on the side arm for cooldown back up. And to be honest, protected reload doesn't really help you in my opinion. But, to each his own.
Neither one beats a max base dmg roll famas/m4/railsplitter in my testing and I’ve got a better chameleon (11322) and maxed out savage wolverine cool guns though and your right that chameleon (PVE) wolverine (PVP)
I have compared the two alot and I normally end up doing more damage with the wolverine than the chameleon because stacking spotter, compensated, weapon damage and damage to elites makes pretty much any weapon hit harder than crit stuff and with the wolverine you can just run in get ONE kill at 30 feet or closer and BOOM a extra 50% damage and your mowing down gold enemies and tanks like they are made out of paper
Damage is a metric worth discussing of course ... but you should consider accuracy/stability in such a test as damage is directly proportional to 'rounds landed'. With the right mods Savage W is like a laser, whereby Chameleon is all over the place. That really matters. No good having 100 rpm more or 20% more damage if a good proportion of the rounds dont land as your Chameleon is hopping around like a jack rabbit on acid.
Just completed the research for the Wolverine. Had to craft 10 before I got a decent one and then had to take that one to the bench 😠. And stat wise I like the Manic (Maniac?) better
Well if you happen to have both your obviously going to have the Blueprint for the Savage wolverine and you can craft as many as you like until you reach 19.0 in damage like I did. That's always going to make the wolverine better than the Chameleon. I have both and I ALWAYS use the Savage one.
I pick the chameleon for solo dz farming for this fact alone... I start to clear an area and by the time the gankers come to steal my stuff as I am farming, i already have my procs running.. so my dps is far and above theirs..
Thanks for making this vid. Lots of people talking about both guns and it's nice to see them stacked up against one another. Any plans to go over the new named holster Ammo Drop or is it that bad?
I would say Chameleon is much better much preferred for me so the savage Wolverine base damage is lower for me but the Chameleon base damage BD is a bit higher and the talent perk with the skills I use with CHD critical hit damage build also helps it’s different for everyone I don’t use critical hit chance but damage + damage to elites and other stats based on health and armor damage so for me despite dying many times I do get by with the build I’m running
I liked what you said about being a bot. Games like this with builds and whatnot are bad about having people copy and paste what some content creator does. Making a build on your own isn't hard! I get tired of seeing everyone use the same weapons, same armor same everything. If players new how to make a build the game would be more fun for everyone. No wonder pvp players are always bitching about something. Everyone you meet is running one of the same three builds they saw on RUclips.
Wolverine ok, an so is the Camilian, but are situation, I prefer my Carbine 7, or Black Market AK, because I prefer to shoot from distance, an prefer slower fire , hard hitting more accurate ARs. My Ak is 25k, with ignited, allegro an zen, with 50 round mag,, my Carbine 7 20k with overflow , accurate, an overlap. And Honey Badger an Wolverine sound tinny. 😊
DizzyniC - savage if you got the God role. Railsplitter if not. Chameleon in a pvp match is harder to proc. In pve, chameleon is great if you have an OK role. This is my opinion
i like more the Chameleon, why? because i mostly have the crit and weap dmg buff all the time wich make the weapong a monster and i use a rifle for long range. But i will be honest, Savage Wolverine is a beast, if a enemy get close to you is not get shred, it get delete xD
I will save the chameleon can you give you a lot of Christians and crit damage and not only that I love the way how they change colors that's my favorite exotic weapon is the chameleon he hits really super good with headshots body shots leg shots
@@PatrickWolfChannel when i shoot npc with it... its like the bullets not even hitting them and then at times it just melts npc something not right abt the gun
You should see the snakes head beside the scope/sight as it procs. Mine does. Also 10m in game is a lot closer than you think, the distance indicator on the weapon tells you the target range. I guess many people dont pay attention to detail ;)
Fun fact. From what I tested the chameleon is very very good at hitting targets with blind fire from cover.
I have both of these and my view is that the chameleon is an SMG pretending to be an AR and the Wolverine is just a straight AR. Both melt but the Wolverine can melt at med- long range, and the Chameleon just melts at close to short range. I love both as I use the chameleon as secondary on my sniper build and I use the Wolverine as my primary on my skill build.
The chameleon does more damage when your closer to the enemy. It’s a SMG/AR.
I agree. The way it felt I naturally started using it as an SMG.
Which is why that’s suited for me
you spelled wolverine wrong
You guys know a AR can switch to semi-automatic to automatic right?
@@divisionagentbailey6727 no i didnt, how? (Ps4)
God damn ,ive played this game since release and didnt know you shoot them numbers in the firing range. TY
B Hope 😂😁
@@PatrickWolfChannel Been playing since launch with 1,016hrs so far and never knew about that either until last week 😂
They weren't always there
Wolverine. Cant wait for everyone to complain about it. Cause it hits.
The Wolverine is just another name for the Honey Badger lol
Just crafted a god roll savage wolverine yesterday, with allegro and protected reload!😎
Put protected on your side arm. There are better active 3rd talents to have on your primary
@@thewolfords1943 i got refreshed on the side arm for cooldown back up. And to be honest, protected reload doesn't really help you in my opinion. But, to each his own.
must be nice, lol i've crafted like 12 and they were all garbage
Good video. Can you do a video comparing the Wolverine vs Eagle Bearer and Chameleon vs Eagle Bearer. Like to see your views on this.
if I am not mistaken, close & personal resets after a kill, so it is possible to keep it up as long as there are opponents to kill
I think that once the update drops, the bugs on the chameleon will get fixed‼️
What is the bug
Blake Cook damage and perks doesn’t work smoothly yet
YouKnoDaVibes you mean like body shots not registering for the talent? Because I thought it seemed a little inconsistent but wasn’t sure
@@YouKnoDaVibes I haven't noticed it on my gun yet?
greenghost2212 you will
Neither one beats a max base dmg roll famas/m4/railsplitter in my testing and I’ve got a better chameleon (11322) and maxed out savage wolverine cool guns though and your right that chameleon (PVE) wolverine (PVP)
Having a 25k fammas on a 450k armour build is beastmode.
@@slavmagician2898 for SURE dude. I have a very similar build. I run all kinds of ARs though. Damage > Armor
I wish the Chameleon had a better accuracy. Hurts me to spend half a mag to put down a enemy.
@@Musashination the chameleon is just a straight up copy of the vector. It has identical accuracy and range. Not very .308 like, at all.
@@Reeceezy but that is the point. If it gonna be a AR, then should have a better accuracy.
To me, the chameleon is a nice gun but it's better when in close quarters. Consider it a smh more than an ar.
Just helped my buddy lvl up to 30 and he open a weapon crate in the open world and out dropped a chameleon gs 251
iron_sight_ 87 🤦🏻🤦🏻
I came back to TD2 after like 5 or so months and I got it from my first bounty, is it a low drop rate?
Sinuous since I did 55 bounties to get mine, I’d say yes, you just got very lucky, you fucker lol
I have compared the two alot and I normally end up doing more damage with the wolverine than the chameleon because stacking spotter, compensated, weapon damage and damage to elites makes pretty much any weapon hit harder than crit stuff and with the wolverine you can just run in get ONE kill at 30 feet or closer and BOOM a extra 50% damage and your mowing down gold enemies and tanks like they are made out of paper
I like the Savage much better because I think the talents take to long to proc on the chameleon . With the wolverine I hit for 26.1k
I need help
Damage is a metric worth discussing of course ... but you should consider accuracy/stability in such a test as damage is directly proportional to 'rounds landed'. With the right mods Savage W is like a laser, whereby Chameleon is all over the place. That really matters. No good having 100 rpm more or 20% more damage if a good proportion of the rounds dont land as your Chameleon is hopping around like a jack rabbit on acid.
Yes but everyone’s different on pc recoil doesn’t exist
Just completed the research for the Wolverine. Had to craft 10 before I got a decent one and then had to take that one to the bench 😠. And stat wise I like the Manic (Maniac?) better
Well if you happen to have both your obviously going to have the Blueprint for the Savage wolverine and you can craft as many as you like until you reach 19.0 in damage like I did. That's always going to make the wolverine better than the Chameleon. I have both and I ALWAYS use the Savage one.
I pick the chameleon for solo dz farming for this fact alone... I start to clear an area and by the time the gankers come to steal my stuff as I am farming, i already have my procs running.. so my dps is far and above theirs..
I love the chameleon but I'm just having to much fun using pyromaniac/relentess with perfect spark and perfectly wicked also perfect beserk.
Thanks for making this vid. Lots of people talking about both guns and it's nice to see them stacked up against one another. Any plans to go over the new named holster Ammo Drop or is it that bad?
I would say Chameleon is much better much preferred for me so the savage Wolverine base damage is lower for me but the Chameleon base damage BD is a bit higher and the talent perk with the skills I use with CHD critical hit damage build also helps it’s different for everyone I don’t use critical hit chance but damage + damage to elites and other stats based on health and armor damage so for me despite dying many times I do get by with the build I’m running
The Chameleon is poor at range though and kicks up when you fire.
Yeah, I like the chameleon, but it is a close range weapon. And I find it better at close to proc the talents, especially cover shots into heavies.
What is the current best pvp build u have faced? Smg/AR/lmg
The question is will the chameleon and striker talent stack?
Is the eb still a viable gun for a ar build or do the newer guns/exoctics make for a better ar build?
I still use it but fakes and pyro also very good
Clutch is back!!!!
With the fact that the Exotic is known and confirmed that it's bugged. ..
This test is kind of invalid.
All exotic weapons should be at max base damage already? So the base damage won’t matter unless it’s not a GS 500
What's your build in this video?
What is that helmet
How can I upgrade the damage of Charmeleon??
I liked what you said about being a bot. Games like this with builds and whatnot are bad about having people copy and paste what some content creator does. Making a build on your own isn't hard! I get tired of seeing everyone use the same weapons, same armor same everything. If players new how to make a build the game would be more fun for everyone. No wonder pvp players are always bitching about something. Everyone you meet is running one of the same three builds they saw on RUclips.
Can u post ur ar build
What is that basalt mod you unlock in the specialization
The honey bee gun is definitely a good gun and it drops enemy's fast too
Patrick, will you please explain the DPS number in the firing range. By my calculations, those numbers can not be be damage per SECOND
Desmond Fletcher why not? They seem pretty accurate to me
Its drops when you stop shooting so yeah it is
Wolverine ok, an so is the Camilian, but are situation, I prefer my Carbine 7, or Black Market AK, because I prefer to shoot from distance, an prefer slower fire , hard hitting more accurate ARs. My Ak is 25k, with ignited, allegro an zen, with 50 round mag,, my Carbine 7 20k with overflow , accurate, an overlap. And Honey Badger an Wolverine sound tinny. 😊
Can you help? My wolverine damage is 12 k damage. How to ugrade damage on 21 k? Thank you
There's really no point gear score is getting raised March 3 when dlc drops
How do you get that mask? Finish specialization?
KING-PAULK Paulk Looks like the Breakpoint Mask from owning Ghosting Recon Breakpoint and unlocking it through Ubisoft Club.
@@TheCe1ticZombie Thanks
hey, what is your mods for magazine in your AR ? how you get that ?
I farmed control points
whered you get that mask?
Jeffery Muffins bob marley Looks like the Breakpoint Mask from owning Ghosting Recon Breakpoint and unlocking it through Ubisoft Club.
DizzyniC - savage if you got the God role. Railsplitter if not. Chameleon in a pvp match is harder to proc. In pve, chameleon is great if you have an OK role. This is my opinion
I just started playing with the sale, got both, and oh boy Wolverine easy for me. I like the extra range too much.
I'm not patient or lucky enough to get either gun
Hey, great video! Is there a way to upgrade my chameleon from GS498 to 500? Idk why dropped me 498 if my GS is 500. 😑
No there is currently no blueprint
where did you get that mask from?
also... I thought that all exotics were max rolled. arent they?
do exotics no longer drop with max damags rolls anymore
Nathan Massaro sadly no
I am going to Grind for the savage wolverine
Not much of a grind tbh, just have to complete stage 4 of firewall project and you get the blueprint
i like more the Chameleon, why? because i mostly have the crit and weap dmg buff all the time wich make the weapong a monster and i use a rifle for long range. But i will be honest, Savage Wolverine is a beast, if a enemy get close to you is not get shred, it get delete xD
What is your build
Robert Adams will drop one soon
Is ghost recon worth getting
Not really...
If the Chameleon rocks 100% weapon damage after the 60 body shots.... then you should not be hitting at 46k, it should be 56k?
I think crit damage is to blame possibly
@@PatrickWolfChannel gotcha. Just realized I was not accounting for Crit at all. Lol! Thank you sir. Keep up the great content
What mask is that? 👀
The break point mask
I rolled a 15.2 dmg savege wolv especially close up however the chamillion does work well if u get those head shots
Wolverine
You mean Honey Badger, because that's what it is, just under another name lol 😂😂
I will save the chameleon can you give you a lot of Christians and crit damage and not only that I love the way how they change colors that's my favorite exotic weapon is the chameleon he hits really super good with headshots body shots leg shots
Great post ..thank you..whats crazy..I still only have 268k armor...and you have fucking 600k fuck ...its nuts..
Chameleon has got poor af accuracy, kicks up like a cat jumped when it sees a cucumber
how did you get the mask?
Ghost Recon Breakpoint save data
The chameleon is bug atm they said cant compare the gun yet atm
It’s been fixed
Patrick Wolf when was it fixed because I have 3 500 gs and they have different base damages.
Gballjr74 was patches day before yesterday
@@PatrickWolfChannel when i shoot npc with it... its like the bullets not even hitting them and then at times it just melts npc something not right abt the gun
Tony Blaze the servers are also bad this weekend
i think wolverine is not good coz you need 10m and get a kill to get the buff and i think its not worth it
The chameleon handles like dogshit. My Savage handles beautifully near or far.
I'll stick to my Eagle bearer
I have none of these!
South African?
Ronin _44 Zimbabwean bro
Savage Wolverine is broken. Talent does not activate.
It does it just does not show
@@PatrickWolfChannelHmmm.
You should see the snakes head beside the scope/sight as it procs. Mine does. Also 10m in game is a lot closer than you think, the distance indicator on the weapon tells you the target range. I guess many people dont pay attention to detail ;)
@@GillmanStudio I used in the shooting range with WITH THE 10M TARGET ACTIVE, so shut your mouth.
G36 is way better
The chameleon is trash. They should have classified it as an SMG if they buff it they should add way better accuracy and more range to be an AR
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Both not that good..
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