Were the Police being Unfair Here?
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If I was in a car in that situation and saw a motorcycle filtering behind, I'd just change my lane position to allow them to progress more easily and safely. It's a total no-brainer. Sometimes you come across a police officer who's let their power go to their head a little, but there's nothing you can do about that.
But not everyone's as observant, so there's a chance he'd end up swerving into the coned off area. People must be patient.
@@ChrisPatrick-q6k here in New Zealand the NZTA have identified that it is more dangerous for motorcyclists to wait patiently in the queue, and have put in place rules that keep motorcyclists safe, such as filtering, lane splitting, use of bus lanes and transit lanes. What this rider is doing is actually the safe option.
Yep. Just move over a bit, plenty of space for a normal overtake. If it was an emergency bike behind, what? It couldn't overtake because it is a single lane? Nah. Move over, stop blocking the road.
@@ChrisPatrick-q6k im 63 and done it all my life at a slow speed, is its not safe then how can you overtake a push bike on a narrow lane
Plenty of room copper doesn't like bikes, if he moved to his left the bike could pass at his own discretion.
Also a retired Traffic officer, there was not a lot of room but it wasn't the fact that the officer said to the rider( i Ride motorcycles too) It was how he said it!!!'Hang back please rider theres not a lot of room beside that lorry" would have been a better response and you probably not have been sent this clip!!
I understand the argument but I ride a motorcycle and I had exactly the same situation on a road in Wales last year, the traffic officer in that situation moved over for me to pass.
He's certainly doing nothing wrong, you can "filter" on single carriageways and one way roads.
I would have filtered too. Once I was behind the lorry I would have stayed in view of his mirror and waited behind him. If he saw me and moved over all good, if he stayed where he was, I would have stayed behind him. Most lorry drivers are super respectful of bikers and would move if they saw you.
100% agree.
Was he filtering between the cars and the cones or was he simply overtaking as there was room and it was safe to do so.
I've ridden on the road for almost 50 years.
The cop clearly saw him coming and most traffic officers would have moved to the left and given him more room to overtake.
This particular cop was being a complete dick and a complaint should be made to his force.
Exactly this. 👍
@@colinfitzsimons3409 should have taken his shoulder number
2:44 naa loads of room, no need to cross the cones. The lorry is not going to jump sideways, you just take each pass at a time when it is safe.
Risk and reward.
Does it look safe to slowly filter?
Is there any point to waiting and this juncture?
Why can't you filter on a single road? It's filtering!
Even if the motorcyclist was at fault, when did it become acceptable for police officers to conduct themselves as rude, arrogant idiots?
Ever since the hiring practices plummeted.
Since the people they deal with ignore the law, and got mouthy. I’m old and have never said a cross word to a police officer. I drive in open lanes only, you?
@wendieking4184 I'm old too and if the police want respect, they have to give some too!
Does it hurt your feelings when someone is cross with you? What a little child. Tell a 5 year off and they cry. Grow up.
@@Brian-zl6ib Boot licker
From a retired Traffic Officer, the police officer was in the wrong. Over bearing conduct that does the police no favours at all.
You'd need to be more specific really.
100% agree, its not what you say its how you say it as the saying goes
Agreed in how he said what he said. Not ideal. What he said though, not such an easy argument..🤔
Thanks for your honesty, and imo the traffic cop was just being very pedantic, and as a now retired artic truck driver of 35yrs, I always knew what was in my mirrors and not just in this instance, and always pulled to the left slightly (if I could obviously) and let motorbikes past, and then the bikers could keep rolling, rather than stop starting. Most bikers acknowledged the truck drivers 🚛🤝🏍
He's, Earning the hate
I have filtered through traffic many times in the past without any pronlems. In fact, many motorists pull ove when they see a motorcycle in their rear view mirror. In this case I would argue that the cones were the outside line and there was plenty of room to pass. If the lorry was too close to the cones common-sense would prevail and the filtering would have stopped. I think the real problem is the cop didn't like the motorcyclist appearing to jump the queue.
The cop was driving in considerately as he deliberately drove his cop car to the right of his lane when he saw the biker approaching from behind in his mirrors to prevent the motorcyclist from passing. How pathetic was that? He should be sent on a driver awareness course. The motorcyclist hadn't done anything wrong. Nothing.
Also let's not forget the police officer became a distraction by flailing and shouting out. The cones are within the other lane, this a new broken lane line was created, he assessed the gap was enough, so he's taken reasonable steps to remain safe. I'm not a bike person and where I live in Bristol, they are quite often not as safe or polite about filtering. The only wrong I see is the ego trip wannabe in the car.
No way, the traffic is moving at a steady rate with only one lane. Definitely not enough room to filter. If it was moving slower I would agree with you
@@pommeinzennorit would appear you have not read and understood the relevant sections of the Highway Code
@@robertbarton4776 please show me where I am wrong
The alternative question is having seen the motorcyclist cautiously approaching, why didn't the police car move over in the traffic lane in order to give the motorcyclist room to pass?
Stupid ignorant reply from you, why did the motorcyclist not wait like every other road user what papers or laws, give it over everyone else ? Bet if a car or worse a lorry was within a foot foot and a half of you passing you would cry foul.
The other lane ie the closed lane in practicality does not exist as it is officially closed for whatever reason. The motorcyclist has to observe the law and observe safety and be responsible for its own actions sick of people like you bey your the sort who loves the sticker "THINK BIKE" with no regard the sticker is better saying and more factually correct if it said "BIKE THINK" we do not know from this video why the other lane is shut, it could be debris it could be animals or works ongoing it might even be for work to start that night a few hours later etc, you don't need to know you need to follow laws and common sense re safety.
Cos he has a mahooosive ego
Because filtering is not allowed in this scenario? Maybe?
Because he was probably more concerned about what would happen when he tried squeezing past the HGV and any vehicles after that where the driver is not so observant.
Hobs
Surely the motorcyclist is not filtering, but overtaking. As long as there is room then overtaking could take place.
Whatever the right or wrong is the policeman should have had spoken to the bike rider with a bit of respect and not like a piece of shit.
There are lot coppers like that
They are all like that,
@Asad-2166 You've spoken to them all have you?
@@Asad-2166 you have spoken to them all have you?
They seem to forget who pays their wages.
I'm a retired UK area car driver. I would have pulled to the left to assist traffic flow. This H Youth 'roads policing officer ' needs to take a look at his behaviour. Policing is by consent in the UK. This officers behaviour is selfish and erodes public good will. Poor policing IMHO.
That would have been my approach. In a queue of this nature, I would expect a motorcyclist would attempt to 'filter' through, and I would be prepared to move left to give him room.
@@messageoftruth9797
Which roadworker would he have killed, can you point them out please as to where they are in this video
@messageoftruth9797 a road worker? In UK roadworks. You send in a photo of a single workman in any 10 mile stretch of UK cones and I'll recant my comment.
@messageoftruth9797 hopefully you don't share the roads with those of us reasonable drivers? Or judging from your self centred comment, I guess you don't share anything with anyone. It's all your road, right? You pay taxes, blah blah, blah.. people with the same attitude as you are the reason this country is restricted by traffic jams and is in decline.
@@messageoftruth9797 Do you mean the roadworkers who were probably at least a mile up the road?
Copper on a power trip. That's it.
Highway code rule 167
@SuperAd1980 there is allways that guy ha. the bike could have easily make it though if it wasn't for a nob.
@sbob17 You can easily drive on the wrong side of the road or drive without tax and insurance or a driving licence too...
But it's still breaking the law!
@@SuperAd1980 lol
@@SuperAd1980 This rule is a DO NOT and not a MUST NOT. Big difference.
As a biker, I can say that we're taught to "make progress" which may require (careful) filtering, and I believe it's possible to fail your test if you don't make progress given the opportunity.
Filtering is a skill and requires a great deal of care and attention, which I believe this m/c demonstrated well, and my experience over many years is that the majority of drivers will move over to allow m/c more room for filtering. As for the fact, in this instance anyway, there are cones to one side, that's irrelevant. From the admittedly limited view, the officer could easily have moved to the LHS to allow the m/c to move past safely and I'd even argue, from my estimate of the lane's width, that the officer was deliberately positioned to the RHS of the available lane, effectively preventing the m/c from passing - I hope I'm wrong about that. The fact that the m/c still believed he could filter safely, seems to have enraged the officer for no good reason as his attitude seemed somewhat confrontational and belligerent.
I note you also mention that the m/c wouldn't have been able to pass the HGV safely, but again, in my experience, most HGV drivers are extremely considerate and will, assuming they see a m/c behind them in such a situation, move to the LHS and even indicate left or use a hand gesture to acknowledge the m/c to pass them. Many HGV drivers are also motorcyclists anyway, so that may explain it.
Well put Phykell. Was there another part before this that we didn't see that irked the enforcer perhaps?
I don't worry about filtering past police when I do it. Slowly and progressively past every obstacle that's what we're told.
Do you honestly think an examiner would have an issue with this if this was your test, and you feel you are able to filter without putting others at risk. I think not. Any rider may not want to do a specific manoeuvre that they feel uncomfortable with.
Risk and reward.
Cones or no cones, it's still FILTERING past slow moving traffic.
Police are wrong here as usual
I wouldn't have filtered, but I've got a sidecar.
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@@smudge0356 what three wheeler the robin reliant springs to mind it technically a motorbike, it covered on the fact its motorbike, and car?
😂😂😂😂😂
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@@dh2032 Robin reliant can be driven on a motorcycle license
What do people do if if a car breaks down sit behind it?
As a cyclist I can recognise an obnoxious car driver when I see one and I see one here.
Some car drivers really hate being over taken by bikes and di what they can to stop them.
Personally, I wouldn't overtake a police car as I don't trust the police not to be difficult and stroppy and cause a situation where none is needed.
…..but he hasn’t reached the lorry and you don’t know how the rider would handle that because it hasn’t happened yet.
Filtering is legal, there is space, it’s up to the motorcyclist to determine what he feels safe enough to do and until he does something actually wrong the police officer has no business trying to police his behaviour.
Exactly this
We filter through because it's safer than sitting in traffic. Remember, we don't have crumple zones. If there was a pile up, the biker gets crushed. Better to get out of the way.
You filter because your impatient and entitled.
I have heard such a ridiculous explanation of why motorbikes filter and I spent most of my early life on the back of bikes with friends... As the comment says above most of it is to do with being impatient. I have seen so many times when bikes are pushing such small and stupid spots.
@@bobstreet8840 filtering is one of the benefits of riding a motorbike, it's clearly allowable in the highway code, as long as done slowly and considerately. I suppose you just want the rider to sit still in line when they can easily get past?
@@Scott-lt9dr congratulations on a classic straw man fallacy argument, I didn't say that bikers should sit in line when they can get past. I said that they are impatient and entitled, I really don't think you can argue against them being impatient, we can agree to disagree on the entitlement though.
@@bobstreet8840 😂who recently learned about straw man and is desperate to put it in an argument! As a biker, I assure you I am patient, and do my best to maintain good relations with other road users, as I do when driving and indeed being a pedestrian. You disagree with the highway code about biker's general entitlement to filter? Ok, whatever, just drive safe.
In my opinion an aware driver would have happily moved left in the lane to open up space for the motorcyclists to pass. There was plenty of space on the left of the police car.
I do both car and motorbike, why not keep to left side of the road and reduce traffic? Did the police not see or hear him?
The lane is shut therefore this is exactly the same as if there was a queue of slow moving traffic on a single lane road. The biker is perfectly within his rights to slowly, safely, and carefully overtake the slow moving traffic providing he doesn't cross over into the closed lane to do so. And good practice would also be for other road users (including police) to move over to the left where safe and reasonable to do so in order to give the biker more room to safely pass by. So in the instance shown, the biker did not have room to safely pass without crossing the white lines so should have waited for the police car to move left which the police car should have done as soon as he saw the bike approaching in his wing mirror.
The copper saw the biker approaching from behind in his mirrors and moved over to block him. What an a-hole.
@@alexmorgan3435 Deliberately blocking another road user, is that not driving without due care?
Agree, with the cars, though the trucks have very poor rear view so may not have responded accordingly.
@@fenrir7969 I would say so. He wouldn't be the first cop to commit an offence.
@@fenrir7969deliberately blocking is an offense.
Its legal and low risk, if it was a single carriageway it would be an overtake, again perfectly legal and low risk if done carefully.
It isn't filtering. It is just overtaking. Motorbikes can overtake on a single lane road if there is space to do so.
The reason there is a specific rule for filtering is because it involves undertaking, which is usually discouraged. Filtering is an exception to the rule against undertaking. There is no undertaking here, so we can just apply the usual rules for overtaking. Overtaking requires enough room to do so safely without crossing a solid white line. This looks safe to me as long as it is done at very low speed.
Exactly my thinking too.
Filtering is "overtaking" Slow moving traffic. Im not sure where you got the idea that filtering is undertaking, undertaking isnt filtering, its undertaking and shouldnt be done by motorists unless traffic forces you to do so.
@@EskiLdnfiltering is both undertaking and overtaking at the same time and that's why it can only be done at slow speed because of the increased danger.
@@stumpy8513 You're just wrong.
@@EskiLdn Stomps feet and walks out?
I would say the officer was on a power trip which seems to be increasingly more common these days
Cuntstable Butthurt was just doing his job of being an arrogant power tripping twat.
From the perspective of a motorcyclist, and one who has filtered many many times, there are two terms used in motorcycling, filtering and lane splitting. When discussing filtering on a training course the instructor asked if we would go down between the two vehicles, and suggested that he would use the area to the side of the vehicle closest to the grass, in this case to the left, but if the other lane was open to the right. His logic for this is that if a vehicle were to change lane position as he was approaching he would have a escape route.
I came up behind a long tail back approaching an accident, and ran all the way along the line between the first lane and the hard shoulder and the police were totally cool with that.
As for this police officer, as I said when I watched the original video, I would have suggested to him that sticking his arm out of his vehicle to stop a motorcycle passing was a sure way of loosing his arm, and that if he caused an accident that I would be looking to have him charged with dangerous driving. It's on the motorcyclist to ride safely not for the police to second guess what might happen.
He was just angry at the thought of the motorcyclist getting ahead, while he sits in traffic.
A classic case of police abusing their powers and making up their own rules!
I am an ex-police officer. The officer was wrong, rude and aggressive. The motorcyclist was riding slowly and sensibly, no danger would've been caused. I honestly think the officer is thinking, "if I'm sitting in traffic and then so are you". What's the point of causing more unnecessary congestion and unnecessary pollution. If I had been the officer, I would've instead moved my car over a bit. But even without him moving over, he's perfectly entitled to pass you.
If he's not filtering because the other lane is closed, then he is overtaking. Either way no law is broken. Officer was just hot, bothered and being held up.
Lanes are for one vehicle, not two abreast. Why can’t the rider just wait?!
@@abigailcross624showing your ignorance !
You are not allowed to overtake if there isn't a gap to overtake into. No clear road ahead = illegal to overtake. It's also specifically illegal to overtake through roadworks. Section 167 of Highway Code.
@abigailcross624 you're wrong there. Otherwise you'd never be able to overtake on country lanes without a middle white line. There's no maximum occupancy rule for lanes and several roads have lanes where cars sit 2 abreast.
@@davcrav the Highway Code is not law it’s a code. The clue is in the name. By your reckoning you would be breaking the “law” if you didn’t look left and right and left again before crossing the road!
Sometimes as a motorcyclist you just have to sit in traffic with everyone else. Personally I wouldn’t be filtering if the traffic is moving in this case because there are too many clowns that will deliberately move over to block you. If the traffic was stationary I would do so at walking pace being extra vigilant. It can be decidedly unhealthy to sit still on a bike with all that gear on in the heat
Yeah, sometimes but this isn't one of those, obviously.
Yea, in Canada they aren't allowed to filter.
The missus and me went there holiday as a recce as we were thinking of moving over there. In stand-still traffic we saw a poor guy on a bike in the sweltering heat trying to get as close as possible behind a u-haul the get into it's shade. Massive wide roads, no filtering and 55mph speed limits. Those two things alone killed the idea of moving there for me.
@@Weeem The land of the free.
@@Weeem Don't knock it.
@@Weeem They've been coming over here for decades - you're best placed where you are, fighting for what you believe.
Maybe the rules suggest that single lane filtering is not filtering. The difference in safety though seems backwards.
With two lanes of traffic a rider creates a 3rd down the middle meaning intermittent reaction gaps to each side whilst passing vehicles. With a single lane like this the rider has an intermittent reaction gap to the nearside and a continuous one to the offside, (until the lane closure).
The "what ifs" are the same in either filtering scenario. Be safe, be slow, keep distance. Not sure why having a wall of traffic to your right is somehow safer than having space....
If the motorcyclist breached some law then the officer should have dealt with it accordingly. Otherwise, dont stick your hand out and rant at another road user for no (apparent) reason....🤷♂️
100% agree. My thoughts entirely!
I'd argue the assumption of two cars between two separate lanes for filtering is not the only use case of between if this went to court. He was filtering between the open lane and the closed lane that is still between two things and aligns with many other use cases of filtering. Between the pavement and cars for cyclists, between the pavement and cars for one way streets etc.
The Highway Code defines filtering as ‘through traffic’ not a set number of fixed or mobile items.
@@robertbarton4776 and where does it state that
@@theonlynemesis Highway Code 88, 160 for a start. Where does it say otherwise?
@@robertbarton4776
So
Rule 88
Manoeuvring. You should be aware of what is behind and to the sides before manoeuvring. Look behind you; use mirrors if they are fitted. When in traffic queues look out for pedestrians crossing between vehicles and vehicles emerging from junctions or changing lanes. Position yourself so that drivers in front can see you in their mirrors. Additionally, when filtering in slow-moving traffic, take care and keep your speed low.
And
be aware of other road users, especially cycles and motorcycles who may be filtering through the traffic. These are more difficult to see than larger vehicles and their riders are particularly vulnerable. Give them plenty of room, especially if you are driving a long vehicle or towing a trailer. You should give way to cyclists when you are changing direction or lane - do not cut across them.
Neither of which go against what I said, you can be filtering through the traffic without being between two active lanes still. Lane one is still traffic
If he’s riding the correct side of the cones he’s legal, which he is, copper is out of order
I'd have to disagree, in this given situation everything to the right of those white lines is essentially non existent. If he had done this on a motorway with a red X above it he'd be fined and potential points on his license. 167 of the highway code also 100% supports the officer here as well which specifically states "Do not overtake where traffic is queuing at junctions or road works".
Filtering is completely legal in the UK and what the biker was trying to do is perfectly legal and safe. The copper is just upset that he has to sit in traffic. So he thinks everyone else should too.
I bet his other car is a beamer. BMW drivers always throw a wobbler when another road user over takes them.
Traffic was moving at the time so no, is the traffic was stationary then yes it would have been OK
Interesting. Perhaps you could provide some further speculation about his home life, or what sort of childhood he had?
The core value of the British is called common decency. Do you think that policeman was upholding that value?
No. He just wanted to be obnoxious because he could.
Wouldn't the cones class this as a single lane road? Also how far is he going to get? Would he get past that wagon?
If the cones were exactly on the line I would agree but they were foot or so beyond it so allowing room for motorcyclists, pedal bike riders, e-bike and e-scooter riders to pass safely whilst filtering.
Cones on the line is seen as a d head move@@mikehipperson
@@mikehipperson they are not on the white line because some vehicles are wider than others, this is also a duel carriage way so I can be 100% confident in saying e bikes/e-scooters (which are banned) and pedal bikes would not even be allowed on this road unless thats changed
@123TheCloop It does appear to be a dual carriageway. But with the cones in place it's a single lane dual carriageway.
With regards to differing widths of vehicles, there is a minimum requirement for shuttle lane width. In this case it would be 3m, allowing for HGVs. But it's normally better to give more if the road is wide enough. It means oversized loads don't knock over all the cones.
Imo, just because there's space to overtake doesn't make it safe.
@@123TheCloopalthough I don't fancy trying it, cycles are allowed on dual carriageways. www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/rules-for-cyclists-59-to-82#:~:text=2)%20When%20riding%20on%20busy,extra%20care%20crossing%20slip%20roads.
I ride and have some rules I follow when filtering - 1 never do it on the approach to a roundabout - 2 never do it when the traffic is moving more than say 10 mph - 3 never do it when there's any road works.. I know I can filter in these cases, but I think its a high risk situation.
This American agrees. I ride too. The motorcycle driver put himself and others at risk.
@@danatate8803 motorcycle riders put others at risk every time they filter, they just dont realise it until its too late!
@@danatate8803 Others? What others? Nothing was coming from the other direction as it was what we call a dual carriageway, there being an identical carriageway on the other side of the divider for traffic driving in the other direction. Should the rider have come across the actual road works I'm sure he would have had the sense to merge to avoid any potential obstruction. It wasn't as if he was speeding past the stalled traffic so I guess he was very aware of what was happening. A pissed off cop with nothing better to do!
Can I say there is no reason to not filter on the approach to a roundabout. But if you're not happy that's fine. Ride your own ride....
@@mikehipperson Hi. It looked to me like the biker intended to drive adjacent to a car that was in the single lane created by the cones. Looks dangerous to me. I sure wouldn't do that with a grandchild with me. Safe riding, neighbor 🙂
If the police hadn’t been so far over to the right this wouldn’t have been a problem, wonder if the policeman is as eager to challenge vehicles parked fully on the pavement restricting pedestrians ability to use the pavement?
The highway code talks of other road users needing to be aware that in slow moving traffic bikes may filter on EITHER side. As the edge of the lane is the only thing to the left side and passing that side is filtering, then the highway code's definition of filtering need not involve being between two lanes of slow moving traffic.
Your mention of being rear ended and not always innocent reminded me of a contentious video on Ashley's channel where a car joins heavy traffic from a side road, putting the car where the cycle would have come to a halt, steeling a little of the large but necessary breaking distance the cyclist had given himself due to his speed, the rain and the downward slop.
As a lorry driver and a motorcyclist too, there was enougth room for the driver to move over to the left and let them pass, I do it in my HGV many times everyday. The police officer was lane hogging simple
Shouldn't have stopped him filtering. Police being unreasonable.
I'm not a motorcyclist, and I don't see an issue with the motorcyclist in that clip. I do however see yet another self-righteous police officer who can't help but throw his weight around!
It looked as though he had plenty to throw around! I've seen them queuing up at my local McDonald's!
I am not a motorcyclist.
There is more than enough road space for the police car to allow the motorcyclist to pass!
The police car could have moved over to the left easily.
They are just on a power trip and exercising their 'authority'.
If the driver of the police car was paying attention, he should have been aware of the motorcyclist approaching for some time and been able to give him plenty of room to pass safely.
Also, sticking his arm out of the window is quite possibly the most stupid thing I can think of for him to do!
Clearly the motorcyclist was really paying attention to the road ahead of him.
He was quick enough to stop when a totally unexpected event occurred without warning, or reason.
Taking the BBB point about passing the truck in front of the police car.
I used to drive trucks(over 30 years experience in the UK and Europe) and as a professional driver I was constantly aware of vehicles around me, particularly anything approaching from behind.
Having been stuck in many similar situations, in trucks, vans and cars, I always keep a check for motorcyclists approaching.
Were I the driver of the truck, I would have already moved to the left side of my lane before the motorcyclist had reached the police car.
I would have done this to enable him to pass without need of being close to the cones or my vehicle (To be honest, I probably would have 'defaulted' to keeping over in anticipation of motorbikes doing just that).
There are 2 reasons for this.
First being, why hold up a vehicle in traffic unnecessarily?
Be courteous and allow the rider to be on his way.
The second being, I would rather he pass me on my driver side, where I can see him where it is safer for both of us and that also means, there is 1 less thing for me to concentrate on, knowing he has already passed.
Another point, again from my experience of working for many years in highway maintenance, installing and repairing VRS (crash barriers).
1 less vehicle stuck in traffic on a hot day, when exhaust fumes are probably hanging in the air is a definite bonus to a worker on the road.
The only issue I could possibly have with the motorcyclist would be if I were in a maintenance vehicle, approaching a works access, with my beacons and indicator on, showing I was about to enter said access and THEN he passed me, but this was not the case here.
So, despite my having been in either of the 2 groups of people who could have been potentially affected by the motorcyclist, I still believe the policeman was just being a dick, because he has power.
I bet he would not have behaved that way had it been one of his colleagues trying to pass on a motorcycle!
If there is room to allow the bike to pass safely. be courteous, move over and let him pass, don't be like this police officer.
But what would the offence be? "Dangerous driving" (Section 2 of the Road Traffic Act 1988), "Careless, and inconsiderate, driving" (Section 3 of the Road Traffic Act 1988), or something else?
AND, if the rider chose to ignore the direction and carried on filtering, would they have committed the offence of "Drivers to comply with traffic directions" (Section 35 of the Road Traffic Act 1988), and would they be guilty of 1 or 2 offences?
My assumption is that for Dangerous or Careless driving, the milestone it is judged against would be the Highway Code:
- Rule 162 advises that before overtaking you should make sure the road is sufficiently clear ahead, there is a suitable gap in front of the road user you plan to overtake, and that no one is overtaking you.
- Rule 163 describes how to overtake safely, including not getting too close to the vehicle you intend to overtake, and ensuring that you can complete the manoeuvre without causing danger or inconvenience to others.
My belief is that the road is sufficiently clear ahead, and there is potentially enough room to pass safely without putting the other road user at risk. However, the super power the police had in this instance, is "Drivers to comply with traffic directions" (Section 35 of the Road Traffic Act 1988), meaning the rider had to comply with the crappy direction.
Inversely, the Police driver could be more courteous and move over for the motorbike to pass with ease. Considering the attitude of the police driver, and their refusal to move across, I would suggest the police driver is guilty of Careless, and inconsiderate, driving" (Section 3 of the Road Traffic Act 1988):
- Rule 147: This rule explicitly states, "Be considerate. Be careful of and considerate towards all types of road users, especially those requiring extra care (you should give more space to cyclists, motorcyclists, horse riders, and pedestrians)."
- Rule 148: Addresses safe and courteous driving behavior, advising against driving aggressively and reminding drivers that the road is for sharing.
- Rule 168: This rule specifically advises not to hold up a long queue of traffic, especially if you are driving slower than the rest of the traffic. It suggests that if there is a safe opportunity to let vehicles behind you overtake, you should do so. This is particularly relevant on roads where overtaking is otherwise difficult or dangerous.
- Rule 169: Also advises not to hold up a queue of traffic. Drivers should pull over where it is safe and let traffic pass if they are moving slowly and causing a build-up of traffic behind.
It appears to me the police driver broke each of these 4 rules in the context of a motorcycle behind them, which means they should be reported of the offence of "Careless, and inconsiderate, driving" (Section 3 of the Road Traffic Act 1988).
Extreamly good explanation of road traffic rules you are right the "officer" was a rude person with nothing to do. So he wanted to assert his wonderful power! I'm better than you! Attitude.
Yes. Dangerous/inconsiderate driving would be the offense. As soon as that bike hits any HGV he'd be forced to stop, and be precariously balanced in a 1/2' wide gap next to another vehicle unable to proceed. They can see its a traffic jam, they can see traffic is near stationary. The idiot endangered his own life by not moving to the middle of the lane and queueing with the rest of the people in the lane. Anyone with half a braincell can tell there won't be space to pass any wide load which is near 100% guaranteed to be at some point in the lane. Cop rude? I'd be rude too if I saw some moron endangering his life like that.
Driving without due care and attention. RTA 1988. Overtaking rules are in the Highway Code with a DO NOT, meaning legal force. It's a minor infraction, so careless driving only, not reckless or dangerous.
@@davcrav I fully appreciate the Highway code isn't law, but it can be used to underpin the definition of an offence. Specifically, Section 3 which is "Careless, and inconsiderate, driving" is defined as driving: "without due care and attention" OR "without reasonable consideration for other persons using the road or place".
Section 3ZA(2) defines "driving without due care and attention if (and only if) the way he drives falls below what would be expected of a competent and careful driver", the highway code can be used to define competent and careful driver, as can the test standard as defined by the DSA (which is based on Highway code). So I hope we can agree that the Highway code has relevancy in this conversation.
Regarding "inconsiderate", Section 3ZA(4) defines it as, "A person is to be regarded as driving without reasonable consideration for other persons only if those persons are inconvenienced by his driving". I think it would be hard to prove that filtering inconveniences another driver, so this element cannot be proved.
So the offence would really come down to, "due care and attention". Considering the Constable would have witnessed the rider overtaking previous vehicles, if the constable felt the offence was made out based on filtering in a single lane alone, they should have reported him on that, but seemingly only would have if they had overtaken him as well, which is an odd position to take. Personally, I don't think the offence would be made out if they did overtake, but taking this to magistrates would be like betting black on roulette.
However, once the direction had been made that the rider must not overtake the police car, then the superpower of section 35 RTA means that this offence would be committed by continuing to overtake, and judging by the attitude of the constable, they'd pursue that offence at least. However, I would also take the position that the way the constable stuck their arm out of the window physically impeding the overtaking manoeuvre was either inconsiderate, dangerous, or without due care and attention where the expected standard of driving is significantly higher for police drivers as per Section 3ZA(2B).
@@davcrav do not means no legal force. Must not means legal force.
OK, dictionary says it’s not filtering. So it’s just overtaking.
Rule 168
Being overtaken. If a driver is trying to overtake you, maintain a steady course and speed, slowing down if necessary to let the vehicle pass. Never obstruct drivers who wish to pass. Speeding up or driving unpredictably while someone is overtaking you is dangerous. Drop back to maintain a two-second gap if someone overtakes and pulls into the gap in front of you.
And, they wonder why people have no respect for the police.
Petty bastards and double standards abound.
This is a great example. You could hear the contempt in the coppers voice. A total lack of respect.
Cop is being a total twat, he is hogging the lane, all cars etc should drive more to the left, allowing motorcycles to pass. Let the hate begin.
Nobody drives two abreast. You have a motorcycle, you have ample opportunities to overtake and cut your commute time. You know what you're saying is wrong so stop being impatient. Unless, of course, you're happy for other vehicles to do the same to you. In which case you're just an unsafe rider.
Wrong...when filtering you lane share. No biker rides on the white line when filtering as it becomes slippy when wet or damp conditions. Which would be dangerous! But filtering done correctly isnt dangerous...its legal for that reason.@illegalopinions4082
@@gray100 You answered the question the cop has stop him driving down the white line which is dangerous, I agree hold back be safe when its only one lane.
@@DaveJudd no, you clearly have never ridden a bike on the road. There is enough room to filter inside the lane a vehicle is using. That is how to filter. You don't filter on the line, you clown.
Motorcyclists need to be allowed to filter in order to keep moving. This keeps them from overheating as they must dress for temperatures 20 degrees cooler than the people in a car. Other countries take the over heating of motorcyclists very seriously. Why not here?
His uniforms gone to his head,jobsworth
As a motorcyclist I’d politely explain to the officer that I’m going to filter through, indicate to cut in front of his car, pull over and take the ticket in order to see what happens legally. I’ve got and have never had a single point on my licence so I’d be quite happy to test this one out as I would think twice about filtering “through” in that position. The officer may be correct and I may be found to be correct but it would be worth the points to find out for every other motorcyclist.
Imo the officer was being petty rather than safety conscious but that’s just me, I don’t think a police motorcyclist would think twice about filtering in that position and I don’t think the officer would stick his arm out to stop him/her.
They generally do as they want. Allegedly.
Some years back I was on the M11 when it was 2 lanes between Stansted and Cambridge and both lanes had slowed to about 50mph. The queues were so long I couldn't see The end so I decided to filter between the lanes. After about 15 miles I arrived at the cause of the holdup, one pig ignorant lorry overtaking another by driving 0.5mph faster. So, I rode between them and obviously had totally clear road ahead of me as far as I could see so I stoked the blade up and cracked on. Several miles along the road I could see a cop car on the hard shoulder so I slowed down to 69mph (ooer missus) plod gestured to me to pull over which I did, he caution me for "driving without due care and attention" now, I know that the legal definition of that offence is causing a danger or inconvenience to another road user and I hadn't. The copper did the usual faux anger and the old "I don't want to have to tell your parent's you've been squashed under the wheels of lorry" at this point I took my lid off and he was surprised to find a 40 year old bloke instead of a youngster. It seems that just prior to riding between the HGVs I had passed an unmarked car. I told the copper that the only person driving without due care and attention was the lorry driver in the offside lane. This was when the traffic came into sight and the queue was now about 20 miles long. I told the copper that the moment I was back on the road I was going to do the exact same thing again and thanks a lot for needlessly holding me up. He told me he was going "recommend prosecution" and let me go, I had been sat there about 45 minutes and I screamed out of the hard shoulder straight into the middle of the road and nailed it until I caught up the lorries again, still two abreast holding up the traffic for miles and I rode between them again. About 10 days later I received a letter saying "no further action" because I had done absolutely nothing wrong other than expose a copper as an idiot.
There is the SAME space between said cones and the police car as there would be between cars if both lanes were in use.
good point
No because the lane is closed it is now a single lane road so riding down that gap is the same as using the shoulder of the road to get around traffic
@@shaynegadsdena single lane road would have traffic oncoming! This is a straight forward case of if I have to wait then so do you. Abusing his perceived powers without doubt but quite normal.
@@shaynegadsden Yes and no. Yes, it's now single one-way lane. No it's not like using the shoulder of the road. It's just "road"
Dictionary definition of filtering is "to move slowly in a specified direction" where did you get the requirement to have multiple lanes?
Law in England and Wales rarely relies on the dictionary definition of an activity, but you are right that there is no requirement for multiple lanes.
wrong context, the definition has multiple meanings for different context. the one you are refering to as the definition is in relation to "something coming out from a single point" thats why the definition gives an example of "the players filtered out on to the pitch"
However in the context of traffic which can have multiple lanes the term filtering changes to another definition which is "(of traffic) be allowed to pass to the left or right at a junction while traffic going straight ahead is halted" this implies a 2 lane road, with one lane halted therefor you "filter" into the next lane to get past in otherwards overtake/undertake. this also applies to bikers in the same context so yes, the implication is filtering "through" something which means between "2 lanes" in regards to traffic
@waltersobchak1719 Sorry, can you reference where this activity is prohibited in either law or the highway code? I can't find a reference where "lane splitting" is used at all, or "riding between two lanes".
Is that where the video ended for you there was a bit more, there was another biker beside him and he turned to him and said " well it was werth a try" as though he knew it wasn't a good idea
I'm not a motorcyclist, but the traffic officer does not display any rear sign that says stay behind or follow me or do not pass. Neither is he displaying any emergency response lights, so he is just another motorist. That traffic officer is required to provide the same driving standards as any other driver. The question I would ask is: Would a police rider undertake the same filtering manoeuvres and, should a member of the public stick his hand out and say no.. It's not happening. What would be the officers response? Should it be a case of follow by example? 🤔
Agreed. The officer stuck his hand out to obstruct the motorcyclist, but if he did that too late, or the motorcyclist didn't see it because he was focusing on the road or the police car drifting, that could have led to the motorcyclist falling off.
He's not just another motorist. He's a copper. He doesn't have to have flashing lights or special signs in order to do his job.
I'm not saying he's right or wrong, but your comment is illogical.
@nagualdesign that 'copper' must abide by the same standards of driving as any other road user. Road Traffic Act, ch 52 Part VII
163 Power of police to stop vehicles
(1)A person driving a motor vehicle on a road must stop the vehicle on being required to do so by a constable in uniform.
(2)A person riding a cycle on a road must stop the cycle on being required to do so by a constable in uniform.
(3)If a person fails to comply with this section he is guilty of an offence.
Pointing out the obvious. There is no police constable in uniform. I see an arm and a driver wearing sunglasses. Not that of a uniformed officercas i would expect to see stood infront or aside me (as a rider). There is a driver of a police vehicle, yes but mechanics drive police cars, community support officers can drive police cars, warranted civilians can drive police vehicles if authorised to do so and hold a current permit with that force. The traffic unit then proceeds without displaying do not pass, no overtaking or any other form of rear window matrix sign or emergency response lights. Would that officer equally stop another officer on a motorbike filtering? Same rules apply regardless unless there is justification, in which case the rider would becable to claim exemptions or it is safe to pass by stationary or slow moving vehicles. Not like the traffic vehicle can go anywhere in a hurry, so why unnecessarily detain a rider from making effective progress without just cause.. simply because "it's not happening" is not just cause I'm afraid.
@@se9225 So you accept that the flashing lights and signs argument is neither here nor there, and now you're saying that it's down to whether or not he's in uniform?
@@nagualdesign The point here is simple in terms of what the statute says... by a constable in uniform. Is any part of the driver's uniform visible where it clearly states police? [5.23 onwards]. Does the driver state he is a police officer? Do you see the officer's collar number? Do you see anything on his clothing that is visibly visible that states or identifies the driver as a police officer? I cannot see, not even using a 32" 4k Monitor. He was not clearly identified as a police officer; for all I know, that vehicle could have been a television/movie prop. Would you disagree that to undertake any traffic management or traffic stop, the officer must be clearly visible (usually hi-viz to comply with Health and Safety legislation). That or by utilising the vehicle matrix displaying do not overtake and displaying illuminated emergency lighting and not just sticking an arm out of the window and shouting at the rider, "Stop, you're not filtering in one lane, it's not happening". The stop did not comply with the stopping procedures. Had the 'officer' given a reasonable and lawful reason for directly refusing the rider to filter. As another former traffic officer stated, this clip would not be in debate, so back to my original point... unless that 'officer' was undertaking any lawful duty, which that clip does not demonstrate, he is just another motorist and must abide by the same standards as a reasonable driver which is the same standard as the court applies. Therefore, he must give way and provide room for motorcycles and cyclists to pass, abiding by the Highway Code and Roadcraft.
I’m an Advanced Motorcyclist (IAM) and I 100% agree with the Police Officer. There simply isn’t enough room to overtake. Filtering is overtaking,
There is enough room, and the police car could have moved over like any decent human being.
*oooooh*
Typical power crazed cop who was bullied at school... Got tattoos, joined an arm gym, became a cop.
it is more hazardous for a bike to make stop start movements in very slow moving traffic. Why didn't the ppolice move over to the nearside to allow the bike to pass.
The cop is just being a dick because he has to sit in traffic.
100% 👌👌
Whoever cursed you with such a chavvy name must be a bit of a dick, too.
Precisely this
n this occasion, yes a 5 star dick.
No... highway code rule 167.
I don't see the issue with the motorcyclist filtering here. He seems to be doing it slowly and with care. The police are obviously annoyed with having to sit in the traffic and to see the motorcyclist filtering must of upset them. There is plenty of space between the car and the cones, just as much as if you were filtering in 2 lanes with vehicles on both sides. There is also less of a hazard as there are no vehicles to the right hand side of the motorcyclist. Rules 88 for the motorcyclist and rule 160 for the police officer of the high way code.
So there is nothing in the law to state the motorcycle rider is not allowed to over take, but the Highway Code clearly states that you should never obstruct drivers who wish to pass
Policeman was correct and besides if the policeman asks you not to its on your head if you ignore him, generally in this situation your much better to play it safe, on the whole in my experience as a biker of 40 years the Police let bikers get away with way way more than they do car drivers, they turn a blind eye to a lot of things bikers do.
@@knoxieman he wasn't asking he was being over baring and authoritarian - its not what you say its how you say it. The cop clearly has an ego
@@knoxieman Everything you wrote is a lie, sorry.
Two BIG points here; firstly the other lane WAS open ... I can see at least 3 inches of the other lane The cone is placed on the far side of the line not on the inside of the line. Just because a car can't drive on 3" of road width doesn't mean a bike can't. Secondly, that white line up the left side of the road is meaningless. I'd just ride, cautiously, up the inside of them, because the truck is likely to be the problem ahead. No law not to afaik. Main danger is debris that might stick in your tyre.
Professional misconduct and careless driving from the policeman.
Really? Why??
@@simonmaverick9201 imagine you're a driver and a police motorcyclist drives past you in this exact scenario. Do you think the officer wouldn't be having a word with you about how dangerous it is for sticking your hand out of your window to stop a motorcyclist getting past?
@@simonmaverick9201 He was proceeding forwards whilst hanging out of the car facing backwards and talking to the motorcyclist. If he wasn't a cop he would be looking at an easy 'not in proper control' offence from that alone.
@@simonmaverick9201 what the others correctly said.
@@glenn1534 Whatever. It is not my issue.
Filtering is allowed in a two lane situation because it is assumed that the vehicles the motorcyclist is passing are both within their respective lanes, are no wider than their respective lanes and therefore are able to provide the necessary space required for filtering. If a lane is closed, the road is to be treated as a single carriageway, where filtering would be dangerous but overtaking allowed under the usual safe circumstances. I have a motorcycle license too.
I have a motorcycle licence also. Fyi Lane splitting, or filtering, is the act of riding through stationary or slowly moving traffic. This could be between vehicles in multiple lanes or riding around the car-driver’s side of stopped or slow-moving vehicles on single-carriageways.
Due to this he is filtering and as per rule 88 of the highway code he is allowed to pass
the policeman was having one of those days ..it made no difference to him and the motorcyclist was being very cautious and aware …a lot of motorists actually make way on these sort of restrictions and lorry drivers are prob the best at doing it , they are generally more aware of their surroundings and don’t see progress of others as a personal slight . unlike a lot car drivers and in this case the copper
The copper wasnt concerned for his safety he was just being an twat,
Long as your passing at a sloe and safe speed theres no issue, ive been riding bikes for years and 99% of drivers move over to let you pass
The traffic was slow-moving/stationary, there was no oncoming traffic, there were no workers in the closed lane, and there was plenty of room in the empty outside lane should an emergency maneuver be required - no safety concern here. When the biker reached the wider lorry he'd simply have to stop. The policeman had him on something of a technicality only, ie. the road was in effect a single carriageway.
As a civilian driving a car I'd move a little left to give the motorcyclist more room to pass.
I am a biker, and have been for many years. The policeman was correct in not letting the biker filter. BUT, if I was driving a car in the same situation I would move over to let the bike through.
How can you say the officer was correct! Had he said that to me I would have stuck him on for being overbearing.
Just remember there are Special Constables who drive traffic cars and they even have a couple who passed their police motorcycle test.....
I rest my case. Plod are power crazy bullies acting outside of their powers.
That cop was just having a power trip like they always do.
He's allowed to filter, just cannot be more the 10mph faster then the traffic an no higher then the speed limit. Number of lanes doesn't matter. What isn't allowed how ever is to stick your arm out of the moving vehicle in the path of another moving vehicle. The argument of its safter to wait on a single lane falls flat on face...
And if you do like the police did and stop the bike your car/truck will receive a kick and a dent in the side and you get all the verbals, seen it happen sooooooo many times.
Seen lorries do a bad thing once......... Once every 5-6 minutes. 🙄
Rough quote from the police officer "Stop, Stop here. You are not filtering in one lane. It is not happening, it is not happening. I will stick you . Stay there. Stay there."
The police officer knows the maneuver is a filter and not a overtake, knows there is space between the traffic and the cones ( stop, stop .... stay there, stay there)
If the codeway did not allow for filtering when a lane is closed ( You are not filtering in one lane.) it would say either SHOULD or MUST not. This was not "stop, stop. it is to dangerous to filter" situation.
Hitting a police car when filtering, it will not just going to be a insurance claim you are dealing with.😅
There's a huge truck in front. The police are stopping him trying to overtake it.
Cop should have to quote the LAW he's trying to enforce and not just "traffic niceness act" or "the highway code" but the specific regulation.
He was not filtering as the traffic was moving.
If the traffic was stationary, he would be allowed to do it slowly and carefully.
(I thought I'd be in the side of the biker, but no, traffic is moving)
Lane splitting, or filtering, is the act of riding through stationary or slowly moving traffic. This could be between vehicles in multiple lanes or riding around the car-driver’s side of stopped or slow-moving vehicles on single-carriageways.
Due to this he is filtering and as per rule 88 of the highway code he is allowed to pass the police officer
@spanky-wrath8339 NO!!!
highway code rule 167...
DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example - where traffic is queuing at junctions or road works
Exactly 💯
If the traffic was stationary, and there was space, and you wouldn't be coming into conflict with other road users... then filtering here would be OK, as it is in this videowhat was happening was he was driving carelessly and potentially coming into conflict with other road users.
A police car was in front of me, and I was at a safe distance but I was keeping up with the police car and other cars behind me, then he put his lights on and siren and waved me past to pull me over…then proceeded to get on a massive power trip and said I was speeding, technically I was but not by much only because he was doing 40 I was only behind him keeping up with the flow, I think that’s a bit ridiculous because he’s a police officer and was not going to a crime, so are they allowed to break the law or speed. 😂 I told him that and he went berserk but told me to Fook off and just go, terrible behaviour and some have issues 😜
I had something similar driving on a busy motorway once.
Had a car right up my backside so i sped up a bit to let him past next thing lights come on and pulls me for speeding. Aggressive unmarked cop car clearly trying to entrap people by driving dangerously so people in front just want to get out the way and out of danger.
@@stevebeever2442 Something similar here when I was a young'un. Driving down an broad unlit road (Runnymede, Egham) which was a 50mph at the time. A car briskly caught up to me with 1 headlight very very dim and the other way too bright. Drive right up ma butt and then proceeded to tailgated me the whole way.
I wasn't in the mood and just wanted to cruise, so I did my thing of flipping the lever on the rear-view mirror so I could hardly see him in it. He tailgated me the whole way and it was only when we got the small roundabout at the end of the road he flipped on his blues and swung left to go on another call.
Unmarked car with knackered lights trying to force people into speeding.
He is NOT allowed to speed without his blues, but equally keeping up is not an excuse. however, if you do intentionally accelerate to avoid an accident or safety a court may if supported with sufficient evidence be considerate.
i believe the copper was just been an arogant git... it wouldn't have hurt anybody to let the biker go on his merry way.
I don't see an issue here of any more significance than filtering between two cars. Copper just unnecessarily asserting authority.
As a motorcyclist of almost 50 years I agree with the police officer.
As a somewhat younger motorcyclist of just 48 years, I also agree. This is technically an overtake as the outside lane is closed off. The relevant distance to consider is between the white lines and the police car therefore a high risk overtake.
This cop is running on a power egos trip he is one of the reason the general public has lost all faith and respect for the them.
As a motorcyclist of 60 years I would filter . My plate is manky for good reason
No your wrong citizens have lost faith and respect because if a crime is reported, all they seem to do is hand out a crime reference number and that's it! I'm being terrorised 24/7/365 by a paranoid schizophrenic council tenant who only got a verbal telling off for being almost constantly noisy of any form (tv, stereo, stomping about etc). After the warning in may/june 20'16! And he has done in retaliation to that... Superglue'd locks ×6, ripped off letterbox ×6, ×2 attempted break ins, superglue on a self locking front door handle ×2 once in minus six weather, 3× brick through the window in middle of the night, placed microphones in the ceiling of frontroom & the hallway so no audio privacy, death threats ×6, killed off my rescue dog by causing it anemia just before xmas '23, & hacking my tv signal so it keeps being switched off (have had no tv since just before xmas) have reported every single thing crime reference numbers coming out my ears & yet STILL no punishable action has happened!! So I must be correct in saying that the council & police are aiding & abetting a mentally ill neighbour from hell, with seemingly no consequence 😳!! When's it going to be stopped?? And I have hereditary disabilities for life.
That response reply was to @melvyncox8488.
I believe there was enough room to filter safely in that situation. There's no expectation for drivers to move out of motorcyclists way however rule 160 in the highway code does say "keep to the left, unless road signs or markings indicate otherwise." so the police should have been to the left of the lane, plus it's just polite and safer to move over to let them past. When filtering is done safely, it massively reduces the risk of rear-end collisions, helps congestion and reduces emissions as the journey time is shorter. In this situation there isn't much of a risk, slow moving traffic, no road workers and plenty of visibility of the motorcyclist in the driver’s mirrors. The lorry ahead would be a bigger risk and should be treated appropriately until it's safe to filter. I have to disagree with your view on this one
I ride a motorbike I would have filtered.
Even with nowhere to go... typical
@@lozD83 It was quite safe to filter the police officer was just being a dick. Do you ride?
Agreed. This situation is no different to filtering when there's a solid white line. As long as there's space to pass, you can do so provided you don't cross the line
@@MacBob Yep I spend 18 months as a bike courier in London I filtered all the time when it was safe to do so.
Filtering between a rock and a hard place.
Its not filtering. Its overtaking.
Policeman was protecting him from overtaking on a hazard, 100% good policing!
My thoughts exactly.
I'd go with the police was impending a vehicle that legally wanted to pass, putting the police man as the offender here
@@jaconorth2098 Nope. Dave and Psam have it right. They should be in center lane and queued up like everyone else. He cant pass any wide vehicle so he's just risking collision or being knocked on his ass by a HGV he does fail to pass in the near future. Cop saved his life or limb, I'd praise the man. Too slow for an injury you say? My brother had his back broken on his bike by someone reversing off their drive. Thats
As a biker, assuming that the Police officer hadn't done anything, I would have filtered up behind the lorry and then waited for a bigger gap before proceeding.
My objection is with the copper barking orders at a member of the public. Who the hell does he think he is?
I think he was understandably offended that someone would do that right under his nose. It's kinda insulting. For all my insane riding years, I had a good relationship with the cops, go the odd slap over the forehead with "dont' make me catch you again today", pretty good deal really 😅
@@GeoffInfield
Yes the good old days when they used to just tell you off / advise you .
One week after my lovely wife of over fifty years died a “young” dickhead pulled me over and fined me for not wearing a seatbelt ( fair enough ) but under the circumstances ? he didn’t even know why I was wearing a black armband ! .
Back in the day of real police officers he may well have said “ don’t do it again “.
A police officer obviously
Bless police mad HE couldn't filter through
Seems to me that the policeman was pissed off because he couldn't do it!
I attended a bike safe course and showed this clip to the police motorcycle trainer and while he thought the police car driver was being a bit harsh he did state everything that you covered in your video, the lane was closed so no filtering is aloud.
If the Police had kept to the left and not driven on the right side of the road he could have easily passed.
@waltersobchak1719 I agree (partly) No obligation to hog the nearside kerb, but Driving without Due Care has the associated offence arm of Without Reasonable Consideration for other Road Users. To pull over more to the left (when the opportunity arises) would be showing 'reasonable consideration' . Cones are there to stop traffic using THAT lane, no reason to stop a motorcycle doing a careful overtake.
@waltersobchak1719I bet your opinion would be totally different if it was a cyclist ahead of you.
The Police Officer needs to ask himself why is he driving about a metre from the near side solid white line. He needs to move to his near side and then the motorcyclist would have an unhindered opportunity to safely ride past. The biker should report the Cop for driving without reasonable consideration for other road users.
The old bill are not fit for purpose. They need to be replaced.
I personally wouldn’t filter there but some motorcycles are air cooled and sitting in slow ,owing traffic causes them to overheat.
Most sensible drivers would have pulled over to the left of their lane and allowed the motorcyclist to have passed safely within the lane
What wondrous deluded law says that then ? And what makes the bike rider above other road users with special privilege that mean other road users have to move out of this things way?
@@thorgrimb2416 The bit where it says 'try not to obstruct other road users' whatever the vehicle is!
I had an altercation with a copper a couple of years back after filtering slowly through a long line of stationary traffic. He just didn't seem to know the rules and backed down when I got the highway code up on my phone.
1. Drive as far to the left as possible. 2. Be aware of motorcycles overtaking in slow moving traffic.
3. Do not gesture to other road users.
All things the officer ignored, yet apparently he's in the right.
Yes your in the wrong but hey happy to learn so for me and most others show the legislation that puts motorcyclists above all other road users and the authority that clearly states all other road users must move out of this things way ? If not I suggest you and other motorcyclists learn your not special your not above anyone else and your lives are not more important so grow up and learn to be a member ofmsociety not a special needs case.
@@thorgrimb2416 all 3 points are from the highway code. Have a read. Nowhere did I say that motorbikes are more important, or have a higher priority.
I do think its sad that so many drivers do not understand the highway code, especially a traffic cop!!
Why is that police car not on the left,It's slow moving traffic.
That completely clear lane with no workers, not like that isn't on show across the UK. Imm surprised the cop didnt put his lights on to get past the traffic.