As much as shanny is a legend it’s time for a new President. Goalie…President…out and perhaps a solid ‘D’ to help Rielly out! Core stays for 2024 unless there is a blockbuster trade that returns decent value
I thought the same. That one game in FLA last year they did a complete 180 and played awesome, but it was just the one game I do t know how that happens. They found it again this series and I loved the defence in 5+6, and Will, 7 was a bit shaky. I remember thinking man I haven’t seen them play like this since I was a kid. I think some adjustments are needed but not blow it up and start over- marker JT, Sammy, lligren maybebreilly , leave,couple solid changes should go a long way.
a 2-1 OT win and another 2-1, I dont get it, in the regular season this team is only 2nd to the Avs in goals scored, why aren't they burying others teams by 4-7 goals like the Avs do during the playoffs. How does Nathan MacKinnon and Mikko Rantanen maintain and even elevate their playoff offence while the core 4 turns into a bunch of 2nd liners.
It’s a simple plan…… go to his agent and tell him he is going on LTIR until he gives them a list of 5 or so teams….. then they use his cap number to sign a bunch of free agents. He will Never see the ice as a lease again. The fans now hate him, he teammates don’t want him, he would be stupid to try to stay
No matter what you think of the guy, it takes balls to get up and face those questions like he just did. Full respect for him on that. And frankly, the coach is not the root of the Leafs issues.
He's incompetent as a playoff coach. He's been very consistent ... consistently out-coached. He hasn't inspired his team. He hasn't ever found a playoff solution for the Leafs. He will be the sacrificial lamb, along with his useless coaches he hired. Bye-bye.
He's just a liar, delusional, & incompetent like Shanny. If he's got balls, he would resign. He's part of the problem, the blue & white disease. It's about results, but he's still around. 😂
Changing the coach isn’t going to make a difference. Keefe may not be perfect… he may in fact be far from it. But he is not the problem. You can’t have half your cap in 4 forwards… with those forwards consistently underperforming when the stakes are highest. And all those four have no move clauses. Pelley, Shanny and Tre doing the Friday presser. Which means Keefe out but Shanny and core four stays in tact. Book it - next spring, Leafs will lose in the first round again - with the same core four. Only one explanation why Shanny isn’t fired: MLSE doesn’t care about contending for a Cup. That’s why this has been allowed to go on as long as it has.
Born in 73, isn't it sad that all I ask for is one god dam cup in my lifetime, JUST ONE. I'm afraid it may actually not happen before I die. If I do die before that happens, I only ask that my pallbearer's be Leaf Fans so that I can be let down one last time...
He's in the chair for two years; you can't blame him for 60 years of failure. They were one goal away with Mathews, Nylander and Woll missing games and playing banged up. The armchair GMs need to calm down. Marner will trade if you tell him his ice time (and his next contract) will be based on the needs of the team next year.
Yea, ok, good on him to take accountability, but... he's still fired, and no we don't want him back coaching. We need a better system. Keefe and Boucher tried their way. They had their chance. Now we should give another coach a chance.
Quite the opposite. The entire team from top down is this way. Very telling the owners are never held accountable but that shouldn't come as a surprise.
@FrankDonnel - you mean the goalie that can’t stay healthy - who mysteriously was a no show for game7? Leafs will never win with the core 4… including Matthews. Matthews himself is a massive underperformer in the playoffs. Look at his history - MTL, Columbus, BOS times 3, Tampa in 2022, Florida last year…. Always a no show for those big moments. Always. Including this year, literally not showing up for games five, six and refusing to discuss why. Until Matthews and the core four leave, there will be no end to these disappointments.
Matthews and Nylander were top in points and only had 4 GP. The problem is the rest of the core 4 not producing. It’s a shame they don’t have a no trade clause and don’t want to go anywhere. At this rate Tavares is a 3rd Line centre.
@@NotaGabeItch Matthews definitely needs to take some responsibility as well not just Mitch, for years we compare him to guys like Draisaitl, McDavid and MacKinnon yet his playoff numbers is just vastly inferior compare to those 3; Draisaitl and McDavid both has 87 points in 54 games, MacKinnon has 109 points in 82 games while AM has an underwhelming 48 points in 55 games only 23 of which are goals. For years I waited for AM to just takeover the playoffs like these 3 has done during the 1st round this year but it just never happens.
@@ronb7189 Did you even watch the series? Matthew played great apart from missing 3 games being sick and being concussed from a hit. I also don’t think anyone compares Matthews to McDavid or MacKinnon, those guys are in a league of their own and the best in the game.
Society is soft these days and couldn’t handle his tactics. Times have changed so I get why he’s not here. But maybe a hard nosed coach would’ve turned these guys into playoff gamers. We’ll never know now.
@@jlaw888 This team badly needs a tough, bully coach, willing to call guys out in the media to step it up. Did Sheldon ever call out Mitch publicly? Montgomery had no problem being tough on Pastrnak publicly, and look what happened. Sheldon is way too soft to be an NHL playoffs coach. Way too soft.
In previous years, I felt he was out-couched but not this year. The problem is how Dubas set this team up for post season failure by overpaying the core 4 and not leaving enough of the cap to build a real good supporting cast. So I agree that firing him his not the solution. Shanahan's time is up and if someone has to take the blame, it should be him.
I like Sheldon’s responses. Man of humility to take this role. The most difficult and valuable position in sports. I pray you and your team can reunite and move past this. It’s the NHL. that last goal was a lucky bounce and the goaltender’s right pad was tight on the ice as expected. Only Pasta can life the puck at that exact point! God Bless
How about saying - our top players suck in the playoffs. They’re great during the regular season, but lack the extra gear to win a playoff series. Always the coach, and always the GM. Who makes the most money per year? The players! They should be accountable.
Coaches have some tools they can utilize to hold players accountable and can’t be afraid to use them on the big stars. Demotions down the line up, limiting ice time, lower special teams use and if all else fails the press box. Haven’t seen Keefe use any of these tactics although I will admit I don’t follow Toronto as closely as other teams.
@@Robdob780 really press box 10 million dollars? I get what your saying but the fans would lose it if they sat any of the 4 and lost. It's a lose lose. No players need to be accountable for their actions. Look. Sports should be performance based pay. These guys making millions to have no self accountability. No one is calling out anyone for a lazy game costing play, that's an issue. The coach can't play them game but is always the easiest to replace. I love marner phenomenal talent but almost 11 mill for that? Thats on him not the coach.
@@terryforchon937 Sorry the point i was trying to make is that player accountability is a team culture that is fostered and built through the regular season and multiple seasons. I didn’t mean to suggest that the coach would do those things in the post season, by that time you absolutely expect your best players to find another gear. I haven’t seen Keefe do this in any regular season therefore It doesn’t appear to me as an outsider that the Leafs have a culture of accountability. So saying that this is only on the players and not the coach I don’t agree with. There have been many examples of teams that do nothing to the roster, change coaches and they are a completely different team in terms of performance and results. Honestly I am surprised Keefe has lasted as long as he has with the playoff record the Leafs have had.
@@Robdob780 I agree a solid team culture is important. One would have thought Shanny would have brought some old school wings leadership with him. I like Keefe but it's pretty crazy that he is still the coach.
@@Robdob780 You just did what Sheldon Keefe has failed to do. Realize the message was unclear, and provide an alternate answer. Keefe already knows he's gone.
Got to keep the faith. My Cubs finally won a World Series after 100+ years not to mention my Blackhawks run after 50 years without a Cup. It's tough to endure disappointment after disappointment. I get it. Hang in there.
I think people are fed up. I’ve been a fan for 30 years and wasn’t as invested this year. Still disappointed mind you. Also, I noticed there weren’t many leaf flags on cars this year. Maybe it’s time…
Leafs fans are loyal, proud and committed, I’m a Bruins fan but I respect the organization, I understand the disappointment but you have to take the good with the bad. But I have to admit, I wouldn’t mind seeing the Leafs win the cup someday. I think the fans deserve it. But it seems they are the New York Jets of the NHL.
Sadly i think we are gonna have to watch this again one more year before we can get rid of mitch and john and maybe keefe but i feel nothing is changing this year
Keefe is the sacrificial lamb but it will cost the Leafs money to fire him. Can that be justified? Or just wait one more year? Only the owners have the answers.
I've been anti-Leafs for over 45yrs and if Leaf's fans want them to win, they have to sever ties with the school board. They are in it for the money, not the outcome! They don't care as long as they keep selling games out! Part ways and I'd be more apt to cheer for them.
It's the school board that is providing a significant chunk of change. Why would they force them out? You know nothing about business. Of course, they are in it for the money; it's the only reason to be in it.
Perfectly executed; I don’t think Keefer should be the person to fall on the sword but ultimately that is his job. He will be successful wherever he ends up. Thanks for your time Sheldon, just another Leafs casualty. It never falls on one guy but Marner needs to be better and show up for his teammates. Maybe he’ll get another opportunity or maybe it’s time for him to share his 10 teams that he’s opened to, but enough is enough with soft play on this team.
If a coach can't get his team up for these types of games, he isn't a coach. Scotty Bowman never would have been satisfied. Tortorella would have torn someone's head off by now. Paul Maurice would have had his foot so far up Marner's a$$ you could have seen his shoe size in the big screen. Yes, the team is as good as its coach and Keefe is a proven first round loser.
I'm 64. I don't make excuses for them. They suck, they suck. They choke, they choke. There is no excuse for this horse sh&^. Its gone on too long. Too many people in management are either truly stupid, or are satisfied with mediocrity.
What does a President do? Do you know what his business presentation to the owners was? I sure don't. Owners care about money, guaranteed money. Most of the other NHL teams need the playoff runs for the revenue, Toronto doesn't. Harold Ballard was rolling in the dough without a Cup win when he was the sole owner. Coincidence? Nope.
they can fire him, hire a new guy, but coaching is the least of this teams problems. And before fans pounce on this, im specifically speaking to the Leafs; within the last 8 years of making the playoffs its always the same result; losing and failure. its the core four/roster and there desperately needs to be a shake up this offseason. I do think Keefe will be fired
I don't know about the least of their problems. He's been out coached every playoff series he's ever done. His line choices are often baffling. I agree he isn't the main issue but there are so many problems with the team that you could say that about a lot. Their goaltending is also a huge problem but that also isn't the main problem. The core is the main problem but that doesn't diminish their many other issues, coaching being another serious one.
@@JustBrowsing777 i never specifically mentioned matthews or nyalnder, calm ur tits. if you were an actual fan you know who im talking about with the core four
If every series teams force us to play the way they want us to and we cant dictate anything thats coaching and game planing that u gotta enforce from gm1 of 82 not game 2 of every 1st rd series
"When you don't meet expectations..." What expectations could a reasonable person hold in this case? TO lost every game to boston in the regular season. TO finished behind boston in the standings. Based on these stats how is it one would expect TO to beat boston in a 7 game playoff series? I would expect boston to win and that's what happened.
There is the hockey Shanaplan, which has failed miserably and there is the MLSE business Shanaplan; only the owners know how he's done to date. I suspect well.
I like Keefe, and I think he deserves another crack at it, but we have been sitting on the edge for his entire coaching tenure, and something has to give. I was disappointed to see Samsonov win the starting job because Woll looked better. The leafs consistently outshot the bruins throughout the series, but they were beaten by a better goalie.
Dude, are you nuts? Noooo man. Sheldon has had way too many chances. We need new coaching. The Leafs suck! Can't even get past the 1st round to a soft team like Boston!
Do the Leafs need the playoff revenue to make a profit? Nope. Most NHL teams do. Did Shanahan present a business plan to the owners as the President of hockey operations? You betcha. Has Shanahan made good on that plan? I think he has. Don't confuse a business plan with a hockey operations plan, they are not the same. The owners care about the business, not the hockey operation. Why do you think he has been kept around so long?
Just get a goalie. We haven"t had a goalie since Eddie Beffour. You take Swayman off their team and put him in the Leafs net and we win hands down. That is one single player. . GET A GOALIE!!!!!
Yep, but it's too late now. Holl can't stay healthy and Samsonov a head case. Get a goalie. That's where they made their mistake putting all that money on forwards and trying to cheap it out in goal. Can't be done.
Problem was bad goals given up by samsonov and he gave up soft goals. Woll would have not given up those 2 goals in game7. Sammy played better then I expected in the last game but he is not a playoff goaltender
Keep Keefe trade Marner. I used to be a big fan of Marners but he has proven over and over he is not built for playoff hockey. In the Boston series everyone around him upped their game and he did not. He arguably cost them this series not just on Pasta's OT goal, but on missed opportunities he passed / wiffed on because he did not want to take a hit. You have to be able to hit and take a hit in the playoffs. It doesn't matter who you are. The cap space alone would really help, never mind what you could get back for him.
They would have a better trade with Mitch, unfortunately he won't waive his ntc. JT is getting into his twilight years & unfortunately isn't playing like an 11m/year cap hit should. The Leafs are stuck with the same core unless they buy JT out, or someone takes a decent enough percentage of his cap hit in a trade, no one's gonna take a 33 year old forward who isn't producing like a $11m forward should be
@@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants treivling won't be any better that buckeye dumass will ruin this organization more just like what he did to calgary flames LOL leafs are toasted.
In my opinion , Brendan Shanahan should be the first to go for giving way to much lead way for a very young and inexperienced GM Kyle Dubas to screw so many things up with contracts etc , secondly, the power play coach who really let the team down when we needed a PP, we need a bonafide goalie but also , real defensemen that can protect, lastly, our 3rd and 4th line are absolutely time wasters, I guess with so much money on 5 players including Morgan, hard to put a decent 3 and 4th line out there. I love Marner, but it is becoming more obvious that he was spoiled through JR’s due to his natural talent, but is not playoff caliber , he cares more about what hat and suit to wear to the games, I also love Morgan Riley, but he did not show up for the playoffs, so maybe his best days are behind him. Anyways, just another disappointing back seat coach.
The offense is struggling to get goals from the core 4 and I like to ask why you sit out your second most offensive player behind Matthews in Robertson in game 7???? You deserved to be fired for sure.
Sheldon, Mitch isn't paid to "do things that don't always show up on the score sheet." He's paid to be a point producer and be the setup guy for Matthews on the power play. What has he done this series (or frankly, going back years) to justify him earning $11M ?
Ok.. just some food for thought. I understand the way this team has been put together has clearly not been effective.. and paying 4-5 people the bulk of your salary cap long term in this day and age.. not the recipe for success. That said.. I think this team needs to get beyond the point where its carrying the weight of almost 60 years of unsuccessful history on its shoulders. The media just absolutely obliterates theses players and coaches. I don't know about you.. but I don't necessarily do my best work with people breathing down my neck. Is it their job..especially during crunch time to come up with the big performances? Simple answer is yes.. but the landscape in Toronto is absolutely ridiculous. Could you imagine being an up and coming.. member of a company.. full of promise and potential.. and dropped in the middle of a company that hasn't had success in almost 60 years, with people constantly reminding you of all of these short comings and after 6 or 7 of those ALMOST SIXTY YEARS people are turning on you pissed because you couldn't turn it all around? I get it.. they want to be paid handsomely for that promise and potential, and it lacks followthrough and execution, but the walls always seem like they are closing in with Toronto like that trash compactor scene from Star Wars. I'm not sure they are ever going to have success that way, and the fact they have enticed so many big name players to sign for periods of time regardless of how brief is surprising.
Because the coach had no answers when they faltered. How did he remedy the poor PP? How did he remedy the poor PK? It's all on the coach and his staff. He should've been let go years ago.
Leafs battled hard. Made a series of it against a very good team and awesome goalie. They lost by 1 goal. Thats hockey. Chin up boys and giver a go next year. Sure is a lot of couch experts out there! All the haters can suck it! 💙
Dubas wanted to trade Marner before his no trade kicked in. Shannahan said no. No this dumpster fire is on him. He needed to be let go years ago. Exactly what qualifictions did he have to get the job in the first place?
He came up with a good business plan that the owners accepted. His hockey plan has been a marked failure. Presidents are responsible for the business plans and ensuring the money keeps coming in. Shanahan is also responsible for the hockey plan which is different from the business plan.
Leafs had a better season than last year. They made more profit since they raised ticket prices. I don't think that this year's early exit will force them to keep prices stable.
Difference last year compared to this year is last year I don’t think they deserved to win where this year I do think they deserved to win. Just one save away.
If Leafs management is smart, they will give this man a chance to run it back with this squad. He deserves it at this point. We never had a full team against Boston and got unlucky with the PP. Lots of growth within this series. They would come back on a mission next year. You can always make changes later if it doesn’t work. Good luck Keefe.
The only possibility of retaining Keefe is the fact that it will cost the owners money to terminate his contract. If they see value in doing that, he's gone, otherwise they just sit back for one more year.
Hate that they rush into these meetings, give them a week to reflect imo, it’s fresh, media pushing decent questions but some guys just don’t have the answer at this point in time, I think they’d be far more valuable being held next week
@@Stonesour1 yup. There's a saying. "Nice guys finish last." We need some tough, mean big boys to come to the Leafs so we can be WINNERS and stop losing like a bunch of babies.
10:30 this is a planted question. Coaches and reporters have a special relationship. "You help me, I help you". Just listen to Keefes response, it sounds like a job interview, or a statement to the upper brass on 'Why I'm the guy for the job'. Ever wonder how reporters break news about injuries or trades before they're official?
Hey Sheldon I think you turned out a great man you done well and you will keep doing well, I remeber when you were 6 yrs old playing hockey for a few years with my brother in law, Amyotte, thank you, the top players should be fined from there salary if they don't do enough of what they are payed to do, all the best, Vance
The players need to take responsibility as well as the GM. Your coach is the only one manning up to it. This is not all his fault your players are lazy.
Tell me anyone that thought that the leafs were supposed to win that series. The facts are that Toronto exceeded the expectations by showing grit and took it to game 7 overtime. If they would have had one more goal, it would have been the media beating up on how the Bruins lost two game 7 first round series when they were favoured.
That would be the sentiment but ... if it will cost the Leafs owners money to terminate his contract, would they see any value in doing that versus just waiting one more year. It's not a case of them actually needing playoff revenue to stay afloat unlike many NHL teams that don't have the fan base, season ticket holders nor the clout to demand exorbitant fees for the tickets.
It wasn't icing any way you look at it. The puck was on the stick blade crossing the red line and even if it wasn't pasta beat them to the hash marks and was first to the puck.
After more thought i almost hate to say i think we have to keep this group together again and run it back. We are a perpetual playoff team now, something we never use to be. WE just have to keep banging on the door becasue nobody can deny how close weve been from breaking through.
In the seven-game decisive goal, they are many mistakes made by the Maple Leaf players it is not only Marner is responsible said Paul Maurice talking with a reporter on TVA Sport Nylander and Samsonov
A fair comment on Keefe would be he doesn't seem to get the best out of many of his players. Barrie, Brodie, Giordano, Hyman, Mikheyev. A harsh statement would be Toronto has become a place where careers come to expire only to revive elsewhere.
Toronto sports media is brutal. These are some of the most asinine questions I have ever heard. It's like a humiliation ritual. Everyone is looking for a headline and story to weave. I honestly can't blame the players here for not having it in their hearts to perform during the playoffs.
Sorry Keefe your done. Attention and focus is on the 2 players of the core 4 this team needs desperately to get rid of. Marner and Tavares eat up too much salary for what they bring. Holmberg was more noticeable then Marner. Tavares tries but he's just not good enough to lead this team.
Keefe taking all the heat while Shanny is writing his "We're 'right there'" speech behind the scenes.
They are not "right there". They can barely get out of the first round. 3 more rounds after that.
As much as shanny is a legend it’s time for a new President. Goalie…President…out and perhaps a solid ‘D’ to help Rielly out! Core stays for 2024 unless there is a blockbuster trade that returns decent value
It's very difficult to win
U fot rid of Ferguson Jr and he went fi vegas and won. Replacing mgmt isn't the answer. Bring bsckbabock
@@georgebrennan2576 exactly
Games 5 and 6 of this series were the first time the leafs played “playoff” hockey in probably 20 years.
I thought the same. That one game in FLA last year they did a complete 180 and played awesome, but it was just the one game I do t know how that happens. They found it again this series and I loved the defence in 5+6, and Will, 7 was a bit shaky. I remember thinking man I haven’t seen them play like this since I was a kid. I think some adjustments are needed but not blow it up and start over- marker JT, Sammy, lligren maybebreilly , leave,couple solid changes should go a long way.
a 2-1 OT win and another 2-1, I dont get it, in the regular season this team is only 2nd to the Avs in goals scored, why aren't they burying others teams by 4-7 goals like the Avs do during the playoffs. How does Nathan MacKinnon and Mikko Rantanen maintain and even elevate their playoff offence while the core 4 turns into a bunch of 2nd liners.
Defense and goal tending win championships
@@ronb71892nd liners? The only part of your comment that I can’t agree with. Unless you were feeling generous when you posted that
People can say what they want but Babcock called out this country club environment a long time ago.
I said the same , Marner was a different player under Babcock too.
Makes you wonder why Babcock asked marner who was the hardest working 5 on the team. Wonder what marners answer was
Nailed it!
Country club funded by big corpos and the fans.
This is the way I looked after 13 years of working at Papa Johns.......
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lol 😂
LOL! Now that's funny!
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Keefe has FU money though.
"Mitch is an exceptional player and wants to win in Toronto". Translation, "he's not waiving his no-trade clause."
Not necessarily..... also he's supposed to back his players...
Then send him to the Marlies for a year.
It’s a simple plan…… go to his agent and tell him he is going on LTIR until he gives them a list of 5 or so teams….. then they use his cap number to sign a bunch of free agents. He will Never see the ice as a lease again. The fans now hate him, he teammates don’t want him, he would be stupid to try to stay
@@bobwilson3619 1000000% agree.
Berube please
No matter what you think of the guy, it takes balls to get up and face those questions like he just did. Full respect for him on that. And frankly, the coach is not the root of the Leafs issues.
He's incompetent as a playoff coach. He's been very consistent ... consistently out-coached. He hasn't inspired his team. He hasn't ever found a playoff solution for the Leafs. He will be the sacrificial lamb, along with his useless coaches he hired. Bye-bye.
He's just a liar, delusional, & incompetent like Shanny. If he's got balls, he would resign. He's part of the problem, the blue & white disease. It's about results, but he's still around. 😂
Changing the coach isn’t going to make a difference. Keefe may not be perfect… he may in fact be far from it. But he is not the problem. You can’t have half your cap in 4 forwards… with those forwards consistently underperforming when the stakes are highest. And all those four have no move clauses. Pelley, Shanny and Tre doing the Friday presser. Which means Keefe out but Shanny and core four stays in tact. Book it - next spring, Leafs will lose in the first round again - with the same core four. Only one explanation why Shanny isn’t fired: MLSE doesn’t care about contending for a Cup. That’s why this has been allowed to go on as long as it has.
OT of a game 7 and Marner lets Pastrnak fly by on a cross corner dump in. 🤦🏻♂️
This day at this time of year has been difficult for ten years. Could had just played a clip from three year's ago, and hear basically the same thing.
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Born in 73, isn't it sad that all I ask for is one god dam cup in my lifetime, JUST ONE. I'm afraid it may actually not happen before I die. If I do die before that happens, I only ask that my pallbearer's be Leaf Fans so that I can be let down one last time...
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He's in the chair for two years; you can't blame him for 60 years of failure. They were one goal away with Mathews, Nylander and Woll missing games and playing banged up. The armchair GMs need to calm down. Marner will trade if you tell him his ice time (and his next contract) will be based on the needs of the team next year.
If you hear a bell tolling Sheldon, it’s not the Undertaker doing a run in.
Credit to the leafs for making a great series but never fail to disappoint
Except they do disappoint every year
He literally said that dude lol @@stevenraposo83
@@mikeh3468 my bad
It was a good series. 7 games plus a game 7 overtime. So close to knocking them off.
Man, we do need to move on from Keefe but you gotta feel for the guy.
Nope it was his 1st NHL job he’ll be fine
He's got the passion
He's definitely a likable guy
I feel bad. He’s got 40+ mill of forwards who can’t score in the playoffs
If he gets fired he’ll be in Pittsburgh in 24 hours.
Nice job from Keefe - tough to step up like that and take accountability
Yea, ok, good on him to take accountability, but... he's still fired, and no we don't want him back coaching.
We need a better system. Keefe and Boucher tried their way. They had their chance. Now we should give another coach a chance.
He should take accountability. He’s been out coached in every series since he started.
@FrankDonnel so what would you have said frank?
Quite the opposite. The entire team from top down is this way. Very telling the owners are never held accountable but that shouldn't come as a surprise.
@FrankDonnel - you mean the goalie that can’t stay healthy - who mysteriously was a no show for game7? Leafs will never win with the core 4… including Matthews. Matthews himself is a massive underperformer in the playoffs. Look at his history - MTL, Columbus, BOS times 3, Tampa in 2022, Florida last year…. Always a no show for those big moments. Always. Including this year, literally not showing up for games five, six and refusing to discuss why. Until Matthews and the core four leave, there will be no end to these disappointments.
When asked why they could not score, year after year in the playoffs, he did not have a clue.
Matthews and Nylander were top in points and only had 4 GP. The problem is the rest of the core 4 not producing. It’s a shame they don’t have a no trade clause and don’t want to go anywhere. At this rate Tavares is a 3rd Line centre.
Nothing will change if seats are full every game.
Perhaps, because it's all scripted so there's no answer he can give to that question.
@@NotaGabeItch Matthews definitely needs to take some responsibility as well not just Mitch, for years we compare him to guys like Draisaitl, McDavid and MacKinnon yet his playoff numbers is just vastly inferior compare to those 3; Draisaitl and McDavid both has 87 points in 54 games, MacKinnon has 109 points in 82 games while AM has an underwhelming 48 points in 55 games only 23 of which are goals. For years I waited for AM to just takeover the playoffs like these 3 has done during the 1st round this year but it just never happens.
@@ronb7189 Did you even watch the series? Matthew played great apart from missing 3 games being sick and being concussed from a hit. I also don’t think anyone compares Matthews to McDavid or MacKinnon, those guys are in a league of their own and the best in the game.
It is amazing how Toronto has put up with this guy for as long as they have. In Montreal he would have been long gone.
You can have him
Keefe thought he could do better than Babs. After all this time, I always figured Babs, like him or not, was right about this team.
Babs almost drove Marner out of town...Babs knew what was up
@@anthonylarson7919 Its a shame Babs didn't stick around to weed out Marner eh?
Society is soft these days and couldn’t handle his tactics. Times have changed so I get why he’s not here. But maybe a hard nosed coach would’ve turned these guys into playoff gamers. We’ll never know now.
@@jlaw888 This team badly needs a tough, bully coach, willing to call guys out in the media to step it up.
Did Sheldon ever call out Mitch publicly? Montgomery had no problem being tough on Pastrnak publicly, and look what happened.
Sheldon is way too soft to be an NHL playoffs coach. Way too soft.
@@koshka02 Sheldon has but Dubas made him apologize the next day (last year)
In previous years, I felt he was out-couched but not this year. The problem is how Dubas set this team up for post season failure by overpaying the core 4 and not leaving enough of the cap to build a real good supporting cast. So I agree that firing him his not the solution. Shanahan's time is up and if someone has to take the blame, it should be him.
why was the 4th line put out there right after going up 1-0 with 10 minutes left?
@@Einstein-420their 4th line was out as well 😔 sadly their 4th line finally outplayed our 4th line after 5 games. I would say game 1 was even.
Lord Shanahan had Hatamoto Keefe commit seppeku today. I guess nothing is changing in Leaf land except the coach.
I like Sheldon’s responses. Man of humility to take this role. The most difficult and valuable position in sports. I pray you and your team can reunite and move past this. It’s the NHL. that last goal was a lucky bounce and the goaltender’s right pad was tight on the ice as expected. Only Pasta can life the puck at that exact point! God Bless
How about saying - our top players suck in the playoffs. They’re great during the regular season, but lack the extra gear to win a playoff series. Always the coach, and always the GM. Who makes the most money per year? The players! They should be accountable.
Keefe would look great behind the Sharks’ bench.
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But how would he coach?
Always thought he kinda looked like Todd Mclellan. A shark hahaha.
Brutal LOL
The Sharks 🦈 would even refuse to eat him❕️
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If he's fired you just know Dubas is waiting for him. Book it!
And Sid is going oh F no please no!!!
And the Leafs can take Sullivan. An upgrade for sure.
Trade Keefe for Sullivan and throw in Marner for Crosby.
No one would hire Keefe, despite his regular season win percentage. At least not a top 27 team.
Kyle Dufas 🤓 😂🤣
Marner needs to go along with Samsonov.
Keefe will be back for another season,make the playoffs and lose again in the first round game 7
You can't make mitch skate harder thats on him. You put great players on the ice that know your system. This is on the players not the coach.
Coaches have some tools they can utilize to hold players accountable and can’t be afraid to use them on the big stars. Demotions down the line up, limiting ice time, lower special teams use and if all else fails the press box. Haven’t seen Keefe use any of these tactics although I will admit I don’t follow Toronto as closely as other teams.
@@Robdob780 really press box 10 million dollars? I get what your saying but the fans would lose it if they sat any of the 4 and lost. It's a lose lose. No players need to be accountable for their actions. Look. Sports should be performance based pay. These guys making millions to have no self accountability. No one is calling out anyone for a lazy game costing play, that's an issue. The coach can't play them game but is always the easiest to replace. I love marner phenomenal talent but almost 11 mill for that? Thats on him not the coach.
@@terryforchon937 Sorry the point i was trying to make is that player accountability is a team culture that is fostered and built through the regular season and multiple seasons. I didn’t mean to suggest that the coach would do those things in the post season, by that time you absolutely expect your best players to find another gear. I haven’t seen Keefe do this in any regular season therefore It doesn’t appear to me as an outsider that the Leafs have a culture of accountability. So saying that this is only on the players and not the coach I don’t agree with. There have been many examples of teams that do nothing to the roster, change coaches and they are a completely different team in terms of performance and results. Honestly I am surprised Keefe has lasted as long as he has with the playoff record the Leafs have had.
@@Robdob780 I agree a solid team culture is important. One would have thought Shanny would have brought some old school wings leadership with him. I like Keefe but it's pretty crazy that he is still the coach.
@@Robdob780 You just did what Sheldon Keefe has failed to do. Realize the message was unclear, and provide an alternate answer. Keefe already knows he's gone.
Fans should start boycotting this organization
Leaf fans are too stupid to do that
Got to keep the faith. My Cubs finally won a World Series after 100+ years not to mention my Blackhawks run after 50 years without a Cup. It's tough to endure disappointment after disappointment. I get it. Hang in there.
I think people are fed up. I’ve been a fan for 30 years and wasn’t as invested this year. Still disappointed mind you. Also, I noticed there weren’t many leaf flags on cars this year. Maybe it’s time…
Leafs fans are loyal, proud and committed, I’m a Bruins fan but I respect the organization, I understand the disappointment but you have to take the good with the bad. But I have to admit, I wouldn’t mind seeing the Leafs win the cup someday. I think the fans deserve it. But it seems they are the New York Jets of the NHL.
The sad reality is as long as the arena is full they are so delusional they will keep running it back why bc Shanascam plan is INSANITY❕️
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Marner will be back also.
The beginning statement sounded like he had already been told by Treliving that Craig is coming in.
He definitely already knows.
And Biz spilled the beans by telling the world Craig is the next coach of the Leafs 🤣 Craig game him the look like “I told you in confidence mofo”
This sounds like its going to stay the same next year
Sadly i think we are gonna have to watch this again one more year before we can get rid of mitch and john and maybe keefe but i feel nothing is changing this year
Sad but probably true.
Metallica said it best "Sad But True"
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Keefe is the sacrificial lamb but it will cost the Leafs money to fire him. Can that be justified? Or just wait one more year? Only the owners have the answers.
Bottom line Coach is that the power play was abysmal and you never changed a thing. Thanks for your time and here is the door!!!
I've been anti-Leafs for over 45yrs and if Leaf's fans want them to win, they have to sever ties with the school board. They are in it for the money, not the outcome! They don't care as long as they keep selling games out! Part ways and I'd be more apt to cheer for them.
It's the school board that is providing a significant chunk of change. Why would they force them out? You know nothing about business. Of course, they are in it for the money; it's the only reason to be in it.
Perfectly executed; I don’t think Keefer should be the person to fall on the sword but ultimately that is his job. He will be successful wherever he ends up. Thanks for your time Sheldon, just another Leafs casualty. It never falls on one guy but Marner needs to be better and show up for his teammates. Maybe he’ll get another opportunity or maybe it’s time for him to share his 10 teams that he’s opened to, but enough is enough with soft play on this team.
If a coach can't get his team up for these types of games, he isn't a coach. Scotty Bowman never would have been satisfied. Tortorella would have torn someone's head off by now. Paul Maurice would have had his foot so far up Marner's a$$ you could have seen his shoe size in the big screen. Yes, the team is as good as its coach and Keefe is a proven first round loser.
Keeps getting more and more frustrating. I've run out of excuses for this team.
I'm 64. I don't make excuses for them. They suck, they suck. They choke, they choke. There is no excuse for this horse sh&^. Its gone on too long. Too many people in management are either truly stupid, or are satisfied with mediocrity.
100 years later he said he finally has high hopes for the leafs he had enough time fire 🔥 him
Keefe perfect scapegoat.
Matthew's and Marner run this team it's freaking so obvious.
Upper brass that hired Shanny needs to come to the realization that the "Shanaplan" is over and that Shanahan must be fired to bring about a new era.
What does a President do? Do you know what his business presentation to the owners was? I sure don't. Owners care about money, guaranteed money. Most of the other NHL teams need the playoff runs for the revenue, Toronto doesn't. Harold Ballard was rolling in the dough without a Cup win when he was the sole owner. Coincidence? Nope.
Hey Sheldon u are a great coach and just wondering why the one goal was''nt disputed cuz bruin shot it before the blue line? Last game 7
they can fire him, hire a new guy, but coaching is the least of this teams problems. And before fans pounce on this, im specifically speaking to the Leafs; within the last 8 years of making the playoffs its always the same result; losing and failure. its the core four/roster and there desperately needs to be a shake up this offseason. I do think Keefe will be fired
I don't know about the least of their problems. He's been out coached every playoff series he's ever done. His line choices are often baffling. I agree he isn't the main issue but there are so many problems with the team that you could say that about a lot. Their goaltending is also a huge problem but that also isn't the main problem. The core is the main problem but that doesn't diminish their many other issues, coaching being another serious one.
So exactly how is Nylander or Mathews a part of the problem?
Entire coaching staff was bad
@@JustBrowsing777 i never specifically mentioned matthews or nyalnder, calm ur tits. if you were an actual fan you know who im talking about with the core four
If every series teams force us to play the way they want us to and we cant dictate anything thats coaching and game planing that u gotta enforce from gm1 of 82 not game 2 of every 1st rd series
"When you don't meet expectations..." What expectations could a reasonable person hold in this case? TO lost every game to boston in the regular season. TO finished behind boston in the standings. Based on these stats how is it one would expect TO to beat boston in a 7 game playoff series? I would expect boston to win and that's what happened.
Meetings when everyone is hurting are neither meaningful nor helpful. Meetings after taking some time away and reflecting are far more valuable.
As a life time Leaf fan I say Keep Keefe. Change little, perhaps some additional help on the blue line and 4th line. Let the team grow.
Agreed, and perhaps a proven goalie that can stay healthy
Keep Keefe. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ... oh, you're serious. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. He and his staff will be the sacrificial lambs.
No end of year meetings… he knows he’s gone this summer
I wonder what they're waiting for? When I got the boot it was right out the door with massive security guard in tow.
@@gdavho8778 A replacement first.
wtf is Shanaplan??? having Keefe do it himself is brutal
There is the hockey Shanaplan, which has failed miserably and there is the MLSE business Shanaplan; only the owners know how he's done to date. I suspect well.
@@ScubaSteveCanada where bud. Not what
I like Keefe, and I think he deserves another crack at it, but we have been sitting on the edge for his entire coaching tenure, and something has to give. I was disappointed to see Samsonov win the starting job because Woll looked better. The leafs consistently outshot the bruins throughout the series, but they were beaten by a better goalie.
Dude, are you nuts? Noooo man. Sheldon has had way too many chances. We need new coaching. The Leafs suck! Can't even get past the 1st round to a soft team like Boston!
@@koshka02 Correct. This is not the same team from 2018-19 seasons.
A new coach isn’t going to solve the problem. Fire Shannahan.
Do the Leafs need the playoff revenue to make a profit? Nope. Most NHL teams do. Did Shanahan present a business plan to the owners as the President of hockey operations? You betcha. Has Shanahan made good on that plan? I think he has. Don't confuse a business plan with a hockey operations plan, they are not the same. The owners care about the business, not the hockey operation. Why do you think he has been kept around so long?
Clean house starting from the top
Honestly, big facts all around from Keefe here.
Just get a goalie. We haven"t had a goalie since Eddie Beffour. You take Swayman off their team and put him in the Leafs net and we win hands down. That is one single player. . GET A GOALIE!!!!!
The Leafs had the opportunity to draft Swayman but passed on him for a player that is not in the league.
Yep, but it's too late now. Holl can't stay healthy and Samsonov a head case. Get a goalie. That's where they made their mistake putting all that money on forwards and trying to cheap it out in goal. Can't be done.
Problem was bad goals given up by samsonov and he gave up soft goals. Woll would have not given up those 2 goals in game7. Sammy played better then I expected in the last game but he is not a playoff goaltender
ya Woll probably wins that game but they also win if the power play was slightly better than absolute garbage, before game 7 too
That OT goal was not Sammy's fault. Marner just stopped skating and Reilly was planted like a traffic cone
Keefe is a great head coach. Every year the Leafs blow.
Keep Keefe trade Marner. I used to be a big fan of Marners but he has proven over and over he is not built for playoff hockey. In the Boston series everyone around him upped their game and he did not. He arguably cost them this series not just on Pasta's OT goal, but on missed opportunities he passed / wiffed on because he did not want to take a hit.
You have to be able to hit and take a hit in the playoffs. It doesn't matter who you are.
The cap space alone would really help, never mind what you could get back for him.
dont trade marner trade JT and get someone who can play with marner
They would have a better trade with Mitch, unfortunately he won't waive his ntc. JT is getting into his twilight years & unfortunately isn't playing like an 11m/year cap hit should. The Leafs are stuck with the same core unless they buy JT out, or someone takes a decent enough percentage of his cap hit in a trade, no one's gonna take a 33 year old forward who isn't producing like a $11m forward should be
@@tsmhav9233Blame Dubas he caused this big problem since the beginning. And then blame Keefe. But the top is the worst Shanahan he hired Dubas.
No one on the leafs r not just marner but to trade him Becuz is wacked I would get rid of Johnny before marner
Keefe asking to be fired. Everyone needs a change.
The Leafs have had bad GMs. Dubas was a disaster and I would never want to be the HC of one of his teams.
@@DanRaidersWarriorsSharksGiants treivling won't be any better that buckeye dumass will ruin this organization more just like what he did to calgary flames LOL leafs are toasted.
In my opinion , Brendan Shanahan should be the first to go for giving way to much lead way for a very young and inexperienced GM Kyle Dubas to screw so many things up with contracts etc , secondly, the power play coach who really let the team down when we needed a PP, we need a bonafide goalie but also , real defensemen that can protect, lastly, our 3rd and 4th line are absolutely time wasters, I guess with so much money on 5 players including Morgan, hard to put a decent 3 and 4th line out there. I love Marner, but it is becoming more obvious that he was spoiled through JR’s due to his natural talent, but is not playoff caliber , he cares more about what hat and suit to wear to the games, I also love Morgan Riley, but he did not show up for the playoffs, so maybe his best days are behind him. Anyways, just another disappointing back seat coach.
The offense is struggling to get goals from the core 4 and I like to ask why you sit out your second most offensive player behind Matthews in Robertson in game 7???? You deserved to be fired for sure.
Sheldon, Mitch isn't paid to "do things that don't always show up on the score sheet."
He's paid to be a point producer and be the setup guy for Matthews on the power play.
What has he done this series (or frankly, going back years) to justify him earning $11M ?
Ok.. just some food for thought. I understand the way this team has been put together has clearly not been effective.. and paying 4-5 people the bulk of your salary cap long term in this day and age.. not the recipe for success. That said.. I think this team needs to get beyond the point where its carrying the weight of almost 60 years of unsuccessful history on its shoulders. The media just absolutely obliterates theses players and coaches. I don't know about you.. but I don't necessarily do my best work with people breathing down my neck. Is it their job..especially during crunch time to come up with the big performances? Simple answer is yes.. but the landscape in Toronto is absolutely ridiculous. Could you imagine being an up and coming.. member of a company.. full of promise and potential.. and dropped in the middle of a company that hasn't had success in almost 60 years, with people constantly reminding you of all of these short comings and after 6 or 7 of those ALMOST SIXTY YEARS people are turning on you pissed because you couldn't turn it all around? I get it.. they want to be paid handsomely for that promise and potential, and it lacks followthrough and execution, but the walls always seem like they are closing in with Toronto like that trash compactor scene from Star Wars. I'm not sure they are ever going to have success that way, and the fact they have enticed so many big name players to sign for periods of time regardless of how brief is surprising.
Classic Leafs. Put all the blame on the coach and expect him to answer when it was the players that as always, could not step up
Because the coach had no answers when they faltered. How did he remedy the poor PP? How did he remedy the poor PK? It's all on the coach and his staff. He should've been let go years ago.
Leafs battled hard. Made a series of it against a very good team and awesome goalie. They lost by 1 goal. Thats hockey. Chin up boys and giver a go next year. Sure is a lot of couch experts out there! All the haters can suck it! 💙
Dubas wanted to trade Marner before his no trade kicked in. Shannahan said no. No this dumpster fire is on him. He needed to be let go years ago. Exactly what qualifictions did he have to get the job in the first place?
He came up with a good business plan that the owners accepted. His hockey plan has been a marked failure. Presidents are responsible for the business plans and ensuring the money keeps coming in. Shanahan is also responsible for the hockey plan which is different from the business plan.
57 years since we won the Stanley Cup......57 years.
Leafs had a better season than last year. They made more profit since they raised ticket prices. I don't think that this year's early exit will force them to keep prices stable.
Knowing MLSE they will likely raise ticket prices and Leaf fans will continue to come and show their support for failure.
The Leafs do not need playoff revenue whatsoever. Most NHL teams do.
Difference last year compared to this year is last year I don’t think they deserved to win where this year I do think they deserved to win. Just one save away.
Keefe is taking the Dubas approach it's on me I'm responsible for everything that happened,it's the easy way out still no answers for playoff failures
Because Keefe has no clue what the answers are.
I see him getting fired and ending up in pitsburgh in a role of some type because of Dubas.
If Leafs management is smart, they will give this man a chance to run it back with this squad. He deserves it at this point. We never had a full team against Boston and got unlucky with the PP. Lots of growth within this series. They would come back on a mission next year. You can always make changes later if it doesn’t work. Good luck Keefe.
The only possibility of retaining Keefe is the fact that it will cost the owners money to terminate his contract. If they see value in doing that, he's gone, otherwise they just sit back for one more year.
Sorry you didn’t make it, I was brought up with the Leafs since the 1950’s
Hate that they rush into these meetings, give them a week to reflect imo, it’s fresh, media pushing decent questions but some guys just don’t have the answer at this point in time, I think they’d be far more valuable being held next week
Oh, they just can't remember what they were supposed to say, that's all. They were told before the conference.
Your players should take some of that blame.
What if they were all following the game plans that Sheldon Keefe developed??
Nice guy. Well spoken. But results didn't come. Better luck in your next job.
Nice guys rarely win
Same with Samsonov.
Good guy, but its not working out with him in net.
@@Stonesour1 yup. There's a saying. "Nice guys finish last."
We need some tough, mean big boys to come to the Leafs so we can be WINNERS and stop losing like a bunch of babies.
10:30 this is a planted question. Coaches and reporters have a special relationship. "You help me, I help you". Just listen to Keefes response, it sounds like a job interview, or a statement to the upper brass on 'Why I'm the guy for the job'.
Ever wonder how reporters break news about injuries or trades before they're official?
Hey Sheldon I think you turned out a great man you done well and you will keep doing well, I remeber when you were 6 yrs old playing hockey for a few years with my brother in law, Amyotte, thank you, the top players should be fined from there salary if they don't do enough of what they are payed to do, all the best, Vance
Sheldon -how is regular season and playoff hockey different? Why didn’t you make the required adjustments?
Leafs fail.. but failure is one reason to succeed. Go Leafs Go!
8 consecutive years of failure is not a reason to succeed; it's a reason why you don't and won't. What don't you understand about this??
The players need to take responsibility as well as the GM. Your coach is the only one manning up to it. This is not all his fault your players are lazy.
Actions speak louder than words. Where was his resignation?
Tell me anyone that thought that the leafs were supposed to win that series. The facts are that Toronto exceeded the expectations by showing grit and took it to game 7 overtime. If they would have had one more goal, it would have been the media beating up on how the Bruins lost two game 7 first round series when they were favoured.
He knows he's gone that's why he doesn't see a need to have player meetings. I give him one week tops before he is shown the door.
That would be the sentiment but ... if it will cost the Leafs owners money to terminate his contract, would they see any value in doing that versus just waiting one more year. It's not a case of them actually needing playoff revenue to stay afloat unlike many NHL teams that don't have the fan base, season ticket holders nor the clout to demand exorbitant fees for the tickets.
Who’s the leader of this team?
Nylander
Why did you not make a coaches challenge to look at that goal, it was ICING
You know that pasta was first to the puck and negated the icing right? That’s how it works in the NHL… unless your referencing something else
Game winning goals are reviewed automatically in Toronto - even in the regular season. I thought it was icing too though
Go Bees!
Pasta was first to the puck, learn what icing is first 😮
It wasn't icing any way you look at it. The puck was on the stick blade crossing the red line and even if it wasn't pasta beat them to the hash marks and was first to the puck.
It wasn't offside when Pastrnak touched the puck?
Regardless, Sheldon missed his chance to challenge it.
Looks like nothing going to happen stay the course everyone gets a pay increase
Being born in Toronto and a leaf fan should come with an automatic L tattoo on your forehead...the disappointment never ends...never !
honestly it is not entirely his fault, this team just suck that is all. it is like watching Tottenham Hotspurs.
After more thought i almost hate to say i think we have to keep this group together again and run it back. We are a perpetual playoff team now, something we never use to be. WE just have to keep banging on the door becasue nobody can deny how close weve been from breaking through.
I'm not even a Leafs fan, but.... 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤡 .
@@bigvanvader3122 Not a leafs fan yet watching videos about the leafs, stay on welfare pal.
Exactly 💥
Clarify, are you saying to stick with this same roster and expect better results next time ?
@@cbi-ju5mi That's exactly what he's saying. What a sense of humour he has.
How about u leave town, that’s what everybody wants
It doesn't matter who is the coach of the Leafs fire Shanahan and break up the core 4
It took a full regular season, and 4 playoff games to figure out how to play a tight checking/playoff game. Not even close to being acceptable.
No it took him 8 years to figure that out. Where have you been? In Edmonton watching a better team?
Can fix that PP that's not an issue, what we need is a Pp that will translate to the playoffs. Can get it done.
Why didn't he leave domi to keep winning those faceoffs, we would have won 3 in a row! Done
He's not a playoff calibre coach in the NHL.
This cannot be good for his health…
It'll be a load off his shoulders soon.
My left ear enjoyed this
In the seven-game decisive goal, they are many mistakes made by the Maple Leaf players it is not only Marner is responsible said Paul Maurice talking with a reporter on TVA Sport Nylander and Samsonov
As a Leafs hater I can't tell you how much I enjoy this ❤️
Type in sheldon keefe A.I post game interview its comedy gold but so true
If he was serious about taking full responsibility, his desk would already be cleared out and he'd have a bruise on his a$$ from the door hitting it.
He knows he's history.
Well, help your players through that somewhere else.
A fair comment on Keefe would be he doesn't seem to get the best out of many of his players. Barrie, Brodie, Giordano, Hyman, Mikheyev. A harsh statement would be Toronto has become a place where careers come to expire only to revive elsewhere.
Keefe if he does lose his job Dubas will higher him in a week in Pitt for sure
Toronto sports media is brutal. These are some of the most asinine questions I have ever heard. It's like a humiliation ritual. Everyone is looking for a headline and story to weave. I honestly can't blame the players here for not having it in their hearts to perform during the playoffs.
Sorry Keefe your done. Attention and focus is on the 2 players of the core 4 this team needs desperately to get rid of. Marner and Tavares eat up too much salary for what they bring. Holmberg was more noticeable then Marner. Tavares tries but he's just not good enough to lead this team.
Tavares isnt goin anywhere. Maybe he should be 3rd center and make Domi 2nd line center
@@Einstein-420 I agree but the "C" needs to go to someone else.
@@ScubaSteveCanada ya
Trudeau should make the same speech in a press conference. It's been 9 years Justin. Resign.