He, a flunky answered the screen and told her she'd have to wait until the captain got on the bridge, and stood there not pissing himself in a staring contest with her.
I can see Kirk doing that, especially the reboot movie version. Honestly, I always wished there was a Borg episode in TOS, even though it wouldn't make sense. I just wonder how Kirk would've beaten them, since a brawl wouldn't really be a good idea.
The Queen could have saved herself a great deal of trouble if, at the end of "Dark Frontier" say, she sent fifty cubes to throw _Voyager_ into a tractor beam, transwarped to Earth, let the ship go, and transwarped out of there. I doubt Janeway would have flown back to the Delta Quadrant to continue fucking about in Borg matters at that point.
I figured that is what the temporal agents did. "Sir, Admiral Janeway is about to do a level 10 breech to get Voyager home." "... let them go before I lose my sanity."
Such a great scene. Two enemies speaking so politely. No other Capt had this effect on the Borg. As soon as she begins to speak, the Borg Queen does the Seven of Nine head head tilt.
Part of me says, Janeway should've took the Borg Queen's offer to get home. The other part me says, the Queen would've sent them home, but as assimilated drones for another attempt to conquer the Federation.
Technically they could maintain contact with Unimatrix Zero from anywhere so id say take the offer and then keep up the efforts to sabotage the borg from within back on earth.
Janeway should have told The Borg Queen about a little short known earth story called "The Scorpion and the Frog" which I believe applied perfectly here.
Probably because of a badly cut scene where Harry had to 'answer the phone', and had to tell her to hold while the captain joins them on the bridge. The Borg Queen, to me, in these episodes was written as 'emotionally aware', and I suppose having her toy with her food would just be kind of fun. But I also get why they would've cut that, leaving this one liner by mistake perhaps.
@@crashmatrix Actually it wasnt meant to be continued - The Queen knew that Harry was Janeway's favorite pupil on the ship - by indirectly threathening him she was letting Janeway know that others will pay for her insolence. So this wasnt about Harry at all this was about psychological terror to make Janeway budge and let go of interfering with the collective. Cheers o/
"You know exactly what I mean." I loved Susanna Thompson as the Borg Queen. Her calm was more terrifying than Krige's more dramatic portrayal. IMHO, of course ...
Borg Queen: 'We'll see you soon, Harry.' Harry: 'Alright, I'm leaving.' Janeway: 'Where are you going? Your shift's not over yet!' Harry: 'To find the nearest airlock so I can jump out of it. Pretty sure that's preferable to whatever the Borg have in mind.'
"Tend to your own crew...stay away from things that don't concern you..." The crack and wobble in the Queen's voice, subtle enough to almost go unnoticed, but a brilliant way of showing just how scared she is of Janeway.
@Stephen Porter That was the federations first meeting with the borg, they had no knowledge or defense against them - Voyager did and even had an inoculation that helped them recover from assimilation
But in her eyes and in the eyes of the drones, she's the hero of the story. Captain Janeway is the villain. Perhaps if you were assimilated, you'd see things perfectly, like the Borg Queen would.
I would love a casual non pasive aggressiv video call between janeway and the queen. Just talking about a bit. Also this "we'll see you soon harry" is just always so hilarious.
Queen: "See you soon Harry." Harry Kim: "I really don't know, if i should be horrofied about the possibility to get assimilated by the Borg and becoming a drone or happy about the chance, to get down from this ship and stop being the punching back for everything that tries to kill me and have a much better chance of promotion...."
You can tell that everything the Borg Queen did in this scene including the light show she inflicted on Voyager was designed to intimidate Janeway and the rest of Voyager's crew. I'd be unnerved by it too.......
"See you soon Harry" "I'm not worried, the writers won't be following up on that at all, they dont have long term memories to remember they wrote this"
LOL Freddie Mercury is the opposite of the show. He's British and cutesy. "Voyager" was non-Anglo white in its style. Swedes, Danes, Jews, Russians, Spaniard hotshots created this shit. Opposite of Sofia Coppola and her lil baby, Lucy Boynton.
In Picard season 2 we learn the Borg Queen is aware of what happens to other versions of herself in other timelines. Which begs the question. What the hell did Harry Kim do to pique the Queen"s interest?
It was either a veiled threat that they would assimilate Voyager very soon, or she just wanted to get under Harry's skin. I wonder if fanfiction has not explored this idea, of the Queen having a link with Harry Kim.
It was both. Just wanted to freak him out a bit, showing just how much she knows about Voyager (such as him being the most prone to fright among the bridge officers).
lostboy09100 IMO The Queen said the Kim statement to show that she also possessed intimate knowledge about Voyeger's crew, since the Captain mentored Kim in a way she didn't do for the others. The Queen made the threat personal to the Captain to drive home the point.
A resume of the episode of Unimatrix Zero I have read in Memory Alpha mentions that "We'll see you soon, Harry" is a threatening of assimilation; neither I know if there is a ff which explain the meaning of this sentence but I can search it.
Actually it wasnt meant to be continued - The Queen knew that Harry was Janeway's favorite pupil on the ship - by indirectly threathening him she was letting Janeway know that others will pay for her insolence. So this wasnt about Harry at all this was about psychological terror to make Janeway budge and let go of interfering with the collective. Cheers o/
@@r0bw00d it wasnt an idle threat - it was veiled threat. So imho in this case its not the creative team fault - if anything they created a good yet silly small plot twist that makes people argue about it or still not getting it years later after the show ended - if anything thats skill :D Cheers o/ Meaning was Harrys new secret subspace penpal/gal a Borq Queen - Was harry a new Borg King to be ? You know the little silly stuff that makes people smile despite them fully knowing it was made just for giggles :P That said in the writting world - the silly comment delivered about seeing Harry served as a commic relief (for the audience benefit to difuse tension after the serious confrontation) just after delivering a serious veiled threat - "drop the interfering with us or i will assimilate the shit out of all of you and Harry will be the first one to go - you know your beloved pupil will get what's coming first and for the fun of it i will make you watch" - That kind of a veiled threat was at play here :) Don't get me wrong it would be fun to watch if they did managed to make an episode about Harry and the Borg Queen and then watching Harry trying to Squeze away with all his limbs still attached :D Heck Paris could even mock him later "Oh Harry not again - First it was the wrong twin, then later a Holographic girl, then a psychotic terrorist pilot, then 7 of 9 and now Borg Queen ? You never go for the right kind of women".
@@krzosu We can banter semantics all day. It was still a threat from someone who doesn't pass them out like candy and it wasn't followed through on. That's called bad writing. Yes, the creative team messed up.
Queenie must know that Janeway has a sort of maternal protectiveness for Harry. The personification of Fear knew that too. 🤖👻 Why would the Borg want *Capt. Proton's* stooge? LOL
"We'll see you soon Harry.." Oooooohhhh i get shivers down the spine and then laugh my ass off. Got to be the sexiest threat in tv history. I had previously wondered why The Queen picks on Harry specifically. Was it her simply reading his face and body language while they waited for Janeway. Or, more likely. When 7 of 9 had her first regeneration back in the collective. And as the Queen said, "Our thoughts are One", does that mean she was using Sevens knowledge of Harry's lust for 7 of 9, against him? I hope somewhere there is an outtake of her blowing a kiss and licking her lips at him.
No its because Janeway is very protective over Harry, perhaps more so than other crew because he joined fresh out of starfleet, new recruit and young and vulnerable. He's like a son she hasnt got. So it was to scare Janeway. Very chilling indeed tho :)
Well, considering that Harry called Janeway and Chakotay up to the bridge when the Queen came onscreen, that means she and Harry were either silently eyeballing each other or making awkward small talk until they got there. Maybe she was just being polite after that 😁
I think its a callback to the first meeting with species 8472. Harry got injured, and they had to use borg nanoprobes to save him. That may have connected him ever so briefly to the collective, and made HER aware of him specifically.
I've always thought the Borg, for all their technological superiority, just didn't know how to sell the package. What if the Borg offered each race a version of their most cherished fantasies and ideals? For example, if the Borg Queen was dressed up as Queen Elizabeth I and her drones were all knights in shining armor, with the inside of the Borg cube looking like medieval Canterbury (except with flush toilets). Races would line up to sign up.
They're machines, not holograms. They're only concern is to take every species a part of themselves. They don't care about the comfort of their targets, or even the speed of how they accomplish assimilation.
@@dadevi Wrong. The Borg are cybernetic organisms, not machines. They are closer to Alita Battle Angel than a Terminator. And, as the T-1001 convinced Sarah Connor in that excellent tv series, her model doesn't want to destroy or enslave humans, but only to manage them.
@@zincChameleon but the Borg are only interested in reaching the goal of perfection. So it doesn't matter how long it takes or how many species are lost. If it would only take one species to reach perfection they would have just assimilated them.
@@zincChameleon but the Borg are only interested in reaching the goal of perfection. So it doesn't matter how long it takes or how many species are lost. If it would only take one species to reach perfection they would have just assimilated them.
They never assimilated the trick to lying. "Resistance is futile you will be assimilated" "We just want to scan your ship to learn your tech, then we'll be on our way. We definitely won't assimilate you." would be a little transparent but they might fool someone. Or even Mars Attacks style "Do not run, we are your friends!"
You know, given what the Borg tried to do at the end of Scorpion, why didn't Janeway think to do the same. Agree to the Queen's offer, take the transwarp coils, then turn around and betray her, maybe use that pathogen we had to wait till 'Endgame' for her to use.
Borg Queen. We all use our collective minds to add to our calculationing processing powers.... Spy's the Asian man....... Queen - Ahhhhhhhh yes. Perfect..... You will be 2 off 22. Harry - Wait, that's a takeaway order! Racist! Queen - See you soon Harry.
I never understood the Borg, every other species that they assimilated faced dozens of cubes & were obliterated (with a few exceptions). But with the Federation they only send one cube at a time to assimilate Earth & despite knowing where Voyager is they never dispatch multiple vessels to destroy them.
Because "Voyager" ruined the Borg. The "TNG" Borg only had one cube, implied in "Q Who," to scare Guinan's people and make them flee. I enjoy a good retcon, and "Voyager"'s retcons of the Borg were amusing, But the Borg were not discovered by the Hansens, their first encounter near Federation space was in the Romulan neutral zone in "The Neutral Zone."
Well Chakotay has ongoing (and asymmetrical) baby-mama-drama with Seska (whose middle name should be "Thirst Issues") and she really is her own brand of horror, so all that's left for Chakotay is squicking. I mean, imagine Seska delivering Borg Queen's speech?! Eww.
@@zuriel7 Well Seska left for the Kaizon and they had no water so, guaranteed she had thirst issues. WTF have you kids done with the goddamned English language....
I’m honestly surprised Janeway didn’t snarl, “No deal!”at her and hang up the space-phone😂 (I love that Marina Sirtis makes up these words like ‘space phone’ -she’s hysterical!😂💗)
Yeah I saw Marina live too. Very unlike Deanna Troi. Very chatty actually. The presentation actually went a lot longer than it was supposed to. Told us stories about how the producer would tell her to weigh a certain amount for the set.
Picard might be badass for making it to Borg and back again and setting an end to them in the Alpha Quadrant, but how badass is Janeway that the Borg in the Delta Quadrant, their home turf, are so afraid of her they even start negotiating with her and want to sent her off home asap?
I think the concept of a Borg Queen really undermined the idea of the Borg... Back in the day, they were this massive hive mind with only a single goal. Their unity, their equality, their lack of individuality was what made them so scary, so ruthless and so efficient. Having one, single, superior, individual mind controlling them all takes away from that... it turns the Borg from some massive force of nature into mere pawns in the game of a higher mind...
That...honestly sounds even more terrifying. The borg queen also makes it much more difficult to liberate drones, remember hugh? When he was re-assimilated The borg fractured, now that there is a queen the chances of liberating a borg (who's chance is already low) is even lower. Not to mention having a superior mind just moving hundreds of borg ships on her command, all decision come to her, so if you manage to piss her off enough she will just transwarp all of her ships to your homeworld, no argument from anyone else. If she wishes something to be done it will be done.
The idea of the Borg Queen and her invention is the fault of the movie First Contact. I saw an interview on the movie and they stated that the writers had problems with coming up with dialogue for a Borg computer voice(that we had seen on TNG) in it's talking parts with Data and Picard. To get around that they came up with the Queen.
It is indeed terrifying, but not in a Borg way... the Borg are stoic. They do not get pissed off. They will not risk getting half their forces destroyed as a result of acting on anger. Instead, they will continue their slow march through the galaxy until they eventually, inevitably reach your world and assimilate it. Because they were prepared, not driven by some rushed, angry decision.
The Borg Queen was a tremendous writing failure. It fractured continuity and emasculated the heroes endeavors into a one part comedy and one part character assassination of Jean Luc Picard. Its sad when a game like Star Trek Armada can come up with a better plot for the Borg than a multi million dollar movie.
Actually the concept of the borg queen is explained by herself, hinting the possibility of even more than one queen in the same space time and many in different realities, that's why she called humans "so tridimentional" in our thinking. They are created just to control big sectors or quadrants, and they select female of any species mostly because they are more adaptable to handle many situations at the same time. Borg queens therefore have no actually a mind by themselves, but a higher set of instructions or rank. As any borg, they still have some kind of individual thoughts, allowed by the collective to be exposed or maybe filtered for moments, giving that sense of "individuality" that the queen in First Contact appears to have, but it's just for intimidation purposes.
I have no issue with the queen... I DO have issue with her calling them up like a Saturday morning cartoon villain. Compare this to Janeway making an alliance with Borg in Scorpion. Just the voice of the legion talking down to her from every direction. It was ominous, threatening and completely alien. This is just sad.
I found CPT Janeway to be the most intelligent, strong, articulate, and of course, sexy, captain of the entire franchise. But then, I'm just a man. So sue me. I drive a truck. You ain't gonna get squat.
she sucked...she was irresponsible putting her crew in harms way...the borg could have assimilated voyager whenever they wanted..or just destroyed them...that show was a joke...
@@Levi_Skardsen They were not the aggressors and started out defending themselves but 8472 clearly said our universe would be "Purged" at the time. Their current mission was to kill everything not in fluidic space when Janeway got involved.
"We'll see you soon Harry." 😆😆😆😆😆 Fuck, I love that. The only thing that could have made it better? Alice Krige!❤ All due Respect to the sensational Susanna Thompson, the Original Borg Queen is still the One and Only. Just ask Data!😆
"They're hailing us... and they've also taken over the strobe light generators on the bridge."
Noooo! Anything but the strobe lights! However shall we murder epileptic Borg when they come to us?!
Yeah the lightning in this one just feels so unnatural.
clearly the rgb fad is here to stay!
@@NPSao That's the entire point. It's the Borg, it's not meant to feel natural
Dance moves to maximum captain
You know your making things difficult for the Queen when she offers to send you home lol
Offering technology instead of taking it. Ya.
🎶 Go make some new disaster,
🎶 that's what I'm counting on.
🎶 You're someone else's problem,
🎶 now I only want you gone!
@@masonwheeler6536 Thank You GLaDOS
*you're. The contraction of you are. It's not difficult.
@@markfox1545 have you nothing better in your life to do ??
Harry's over there like "how did I get dragged into this wtf did I do?!"
LMFAO
Poor Harry. Did he ever get promoted during their 7 year journey?
@John Doe 🤣🤣🤣don't worry about it, some people comment out of their ass and think they're being cute.
1:06 Been so long since I watched Voyager I thought Janeway forgot to shave or something.
And Harry sh*t his pants
@John Doe
Doom2pro
6 years ago
Harry is like "wtf did I do?"
'See you soon, Harry.'
...awkward pause, all eyes on Harry...
'Anything you want to tell us, Ensign?'
...Harry blushes...
'It's...private, Commander.'
Resistance is futile ;)
@@Palafico3 His biological distinctiveness will be added to her own.
@@viix3815 Sounds like Harry already added his biological distinctiveness to her. Gave her a little DNA sample.
Theirs is a Forbidden Love!🤣
"All these years without a promotion - I've put my resume on LinkedIn!"
Harry is like "wtf did I do?"
I know, right? Why single him out for attention?
Because making Harry miserable is Janeway's favorite pastime and this is the Queen trying to rattle her.
SirCraigius we know how scared he is by the time the Borg children had him on the cube.
Harry was assimulated by the child borg when the children borg were in need of assistance.
He, a flunky answered the screen and told her she'd have to wait until the captain got on the bridge, and stood there not pissing himself in a staring contest with her.
The queen and janeway talk to eachother as if they're exes.
Susan Schulman I bet they are
Susan Schulman and
both are fighting over their child 7 of 9
Exactly. 7 of 9 touched many lives out there.
exe files?
Everytime I see this scene there's always a part of me that wants Janeway to walk onto the bridge and go "How did you get my number?"
"New commlink who dis?"
"Remember that survey about coffee that you filled out?"
I can see Kirk doing that, especially the reboot movie version. Honestly, I always wished there was a Borg episode in TOS, even though it wouldn't make sense. I just wonder how Kirk would've beaten them, since a brawl wouldn't really be a good idea.
The Queen could have saved herself a great deal of trouble if, at the end of "Dark Frontier" say, she sent fifty cubes to throw _Voyager_ into a tractor beam, transwarped to Earth, let the ship go, and transwarped out of there. I doubt Janeway would have flown back to the Delta Quadrant to continue fucking about in Borg matters at that point.
She underestimated voyager, they were individuals, small.
Right?
Mr.Burns-On_Acid The voice never bothered me, though I can see where it might bother others.
I figured that is what the temporal agents did. "Sir, Admiral Janeway is about to do a level 10 breech to get Voyager home."
"... let them go before I lose my sanity."
Ah, the GLaDOS approach.
“Killing you is too hard, just get the fuck out and stop bothering me”
Two "frienemies" going at it. "How's your marriage?" "Perfect...for the most part." "Yours?" "Never better." (both said through gritted teeth)
When two maffia bosses meet.
beLAY that order, Mr. Shaftoe!!
Janeway doesn't need a mob. She's the Chuck Norris of Star Trek.
@@oddish4352 And she knows Picard & he is an expert Borg killer.
There's nothing Mafia about the Borg. The Borg are Germanic, you dumbass, not Roman.
That little quip to Harry was a little gem.
Come to our side. We will give you a promotion.
Rumor has it he wasn’t able to sleep for months after the queen’s regards 😂
Never made sense to me given nothing happened to Harry.
@@kathrynIS seems like they had an idea forming but due to budget or practical constraints, it never happened.
"we'll see you soon harry" omg if I was in his shoes I'd be having chills.
@@jameswatsonatheistgamer You'd best be careful not to catch nanoprobes.
@@Acherus29A Sounds kinky.
@@jameswatsonatheistgamer be like screwing a vacuum cleaner.
CYN3RGY a vacuum cleaner with extreme intelligence
His pants turned brown when she said that 😂
Poor Harry Kim...if it's not Klingon women it's the Borg Queen.
And what is wrong with Klingon women?
@@OptimusShr I guess that depends on which version of Klingon you are talking about.
@@cyn3rgy759 Any. I'll read love poetry while the roar and hurl heavy objects.
@Flekk Bone Gnawer Worth it.
@S C Wow, there is so much wrong with this statement I don't know where to start.
Such a great scene. Two enemies speaking so politely. No other Capt had this effect on the Borg. As soon as she begins to speak, the Borg Queen does the Seven of Nine head head tilt.
You know things have changed when the Borg are _negotiating._
Part of me says, Janeway should've took the Borg Queen's offer to get home. The other part me says, the Queen would've sent them home, but as assimilated drones for another attempt to conquer the Federation.
Probably true. She’d have fulfilled the bargain... her way.
After what the Borg did after Species 8742 was defeated I wouldn’t trust them either.
Technically they could maintain contact with Unimatrix Zero from anywhere so id say take the offer and then keep up the efforts to sabotage the borg from within back on earth.
Janeway should have told The Borg Queen about a little short known earth story called "The Scorpion and the Frog" which I believe applied perfectly here.
*"We'll see you soon Harry."*
This was never mentioned again.
Probably because of a badly cut scene where Harry had to 'answer the phone', and had to tell her to hold while the captain joins them on the bridge. The Borg Queen, to me, in these episodes was written as 'emotionally aware', and I suppose having her toy with her food would just be kind of fun. But I also get why they would've cut that, leaving this one liner by mistake perhaps.
@@crashmatrix Actually it wasnt meant to be continued - The Queen knew that Harry was Janeway's favorite pupil on the ship - by indirectly threathening him she was letting Janeway know that others will pay for her insolence. So this wasnt about Harry at all this was about psychological terror to make Janeway budge and let go of interfering with the collective. Cheers o/
@@krzosu Can't argue with that either, that's a good take on the scene as well.
"You know exactly what I mean."
I loved Susanna Thompson as the Borg Queen. Her calm was more terrifying than Krige's more dramatic portrayal. IMHO, of course ...
Harry started getting all excited... Then he realized the bottom half is all mechanical.
A BJ still counts, no matter what Bill Clinton says.
Leon Kernan any holes a goal dude 😂
Doesn't matter, had sex!
She could be equipped with a top of the line fleshlight down below ... 😄🔦🍆
@@manofbeard nostrils?
Borg queen: we will see you soon, Harry.
Harry: nice, she is bringing other girls with her.
What happens in the Borg Cube, stays in the Borg Cube.
Poor Harry. I'd show him a good time, no girls needed.
@@bryonsmith4384 Eww!
Borg Queen: 'We'll see you soon, Harry.'
Harry: 'Alright, I'm leaving.'
Janeway: 'Where are you going? Your shift's not over yet!'
Harry: 'To find the nearest airlock so I can jump out of it. Pretty sure that's preferable to whatever the Borg have in mind.'
"Tend to your own crew...stay away from things that don't concern you..."
The crack and wobble in the Queen's voice, subtle enough to almost go unnoticed, but a brilliant way of showing just how scared she is of Janeway.
She respects her but does not fear her. Borg dont feel fear or smth.
@Stephen Porter I dont think emidiatly, i think it wouldve been a battle on eye-hight.
@Stephen Porter She's a strong, empowered woman, yadda yadda.
I didn't read it as fear, more annoyance.
@Stephen Porter That was the federations first meeting with the borg, they had no knowledge or defense against them - Voyager did and even had an inoculation that helped them recover from assimilation
"We'll see you soon Harry." Such a great villain.
But in her eyes and in the eyes of the drones, she's the hero of the story. Captain Janeway is the villain.
Perhaps if you were assimilated, you'd see things perfectly, like the Borg Queen would.
She goes the extra mile to make sure that nobody on the ship feels safe.
Normally they would focus they attention on the bug fishes.
I knew i heard her say that line when I was a kid! "We'll see you soon, Harry."
I would love a casual non pasive aggressiv video call between janeway and the queen. Just talking about a bit.
Also this "we'll see you soon harry" is just always so hilarious.
I feel like that “see you soon Harry” was part of the story the writers decided to leave out at the last minute.
It's a reference to the Scorpion episode.
Queen: "See you soon Harry."
Harry Kim: "I really don't know, if i should be horrofied about the possibility to get assimilated by the Borg and becoming a drone or happy about the chance, to get down from this ship and stop being the punching back for everything that tries to kill me and have a much better chance of promotion...."
Poor Harry.....the only chance he has to not be an Ensign is too become a Drone lol
He probably questions his choice not taking 7/9's offer to bang her for free three years earlier...
No more Uni-matrix ZERO for the ensign.
@@quoniam426 who wouldn't 😂
You can tell that everything the Borg Queen did in this scene including the light show she inflicted on Voyager was designed to intimidate Janeway and the rest of Voyager's crew. I'd be unnerved by it too.......
Janeway was not impressed. U can see she’s thinking of how much she wants to kill Queen B😂
Yeah, reminds me of a Primus concert.
"They're hailing us."
Janeway: "On screen."
Queen: "Flash! AAH-AAAAAAAH! Savior of the universe!"
Oh God that would be a great parody of startrek voyager. Makes me wish there's a voyager abridged series
Sheesh..... Harry Kim just can't get a break, can he. lol.
LMFAO! Cracks me up everytime!
"We'll see you soon Harry." 🤣😆😂😆🤣
Borg - we need to assimilate the smart one......go for the asian one
Queen - hello harry
lmao
Maybe the Borg would promote him.
@@oddish4352 great comment
@@oddish4352 borg king 👀
TNG Enterprise didn’t have an Asian bridge officer so they had to settle for Data
"See you soon Harry"
"I'm not worried, the writers won't be following up on that at all, they dont have long term memories to remember they wrote this"
They still would write a better final season of Game of Thrones 😂
Of course, the Borg queen. I was half expecting Freddy Mercury to invite Janeway for a jam session.
LOL Freddie Mercury is the opposite of the show. He's British and cutesy. "Voyager" was non-Anglo white in its style. Swedes, Danes, Jews, Russians, Spaniard hotshots created this shit. Opposite of Sofia Coppola and her lil baby, Lucy Boynton.
Only Janeway could get the Borg Queen herself to bargain.
I think they need to check out some of Harry's holodeck programs.
Harry would have made an excellent low level drone.
Drones don't have promotions after all.
When the Borg Queen says your name and tells you that you will meet her soon you must be lucky if you are wearing your brown pants.
ROFLMAO
I couldn’t agree more!
In Picard season 2 we learn the Borg Queen is aware of what happens to other versions of herself in other timelines. Which begs the question. What the hell did Harry Kim do to pique the Queen"s interest?
Voyager?
Never better... lol
“What do you want, bitch...I haven’t had my coffee yet and this light show is pissing me off...”😂
Never better? Besides an occasional good episode, seasons 5-7 were really hit and miss.
@@troyterry6919that’s because it became the Borg and Barbie Borg show
It was either a veiled threat that they would assimilate Voyager very soon, or she just wanted to get under Harry's skin. I wonder if fanfiction has not explored this idea, of the Queen having a link with Harry Kim.
It was both. Just wanted to freak him out a bit, showing just how much she knows about Voyager (such as him being the most prone to fright among the bridge officers).
lostboy09100 IMO The Queen said the Kim statement to show that she also possessed intimate knowledge about Voyeger's crew, since the Captain mentored Kim in a way she didn't do for the others. The Queen made the threat personal to the Captain to drive home the point.
Harry has a thing for powerful women, BQ knows that.
lostboy09100 She can have him! lol
A resume of the episode of Unimatrix Zero I have read in Memory Alpha mentions that "We'll see you soon, Harry" is a threatening of assimilation; neither I know if there is a ff which explain the meaning of this sentence but I can search it.
Queenie bout to get at that Kim bussy.
Voyager and the Federation offer the Borg the greatest amount of resistance and therefore must be prioritized above ALL OTHER THREATS.
"We will see you soon, Harry."
Harry: *Thinking* "Why me?!"
Harry is like, "which bastard told her my name eh..."
"What if I send 50 cubes in to federation space on a direct course to Earth,will you reconsider then Janeway?"
"We'll see you soon, Harry."
I remember that line. It didn't go anywhere. That two parter could've been written better.
SPOILER ALERT!!!
Actually it wasnt meant to be continued - The Queen knew that Harry was Janeway's favorite pupil on the ship - by indirectly threathening him she was letting Janeway know that others will pay for her insolence. So this wasnt about Harry at all this was about psychological terror to make Janeway budge and let go of interfering with the collective. Cheers o/
@@krzosu Borg, especially the Queen, don't make idle threats. The "Voyager" creative team dropped the ball.
@@r0bw00d it wasnt an idle threat - it was veiled threat. So imho in this case its not the creative team fault - if anything they created a good yet silly small plot twist that makes people argue about it or still not getting it years later after the show ended - if anything thats skill :D Cheers o/
Meaning was Harrys new secret subspace penpal/gal a Borq Queen - Was harry a new Borg King to be ? You know the little silly stuff that makes people smile despite them fully knowing it was made just for giggles :P
That said in the writting world - the silly comment delivered about seeing Harry served as a commic relief (for the audience benefit to difuse tension after the serious confrontation) just after delivering a serious veiled threat - "drop the interfering with us or i will assimilate the shit out of all of you and Harry will be the first one to go - you know your beloved pupil will get what's coming first and for the fun of it i will make you watch" - That kind of a veiled threat was at play here :)
Don't get me wrong it would be fun to watch if they did managed to make an episode about Harry and the Borg Queen and then watching Harry trying to Squeze away with all his limbs still attached :D Heck Paris could even mock him later "Oh Harry not again - First it was the wrong twin, then later a Holographic girl, then a psychotic terrorist pilot, then 7 of 9 and now Borg Queen ? You never go for the right kind of women".
@@krzosu We can banter semantics all day. It was still a threat from someone who doesn't pass them out like candy and it wasn't followed through on. That's called bad writing. Yes, the creative team messed up.
I think the Borg Queen is my favorite woman !!! ♥️😋
I would have put my "Starfleet moral compass" aside and accepted the offer!
You would have been assimilated
She knows Harry's weakness for Borg women.
Queenie must know that Janeway has a sort of
maternal protectiveness for Harry.
The personification of Fear knew that too. 🤖👻
Why would the Borg want *Capt. Proton's* stooge? LOL
She should have said, see u soon harry! You make an excellent drone lol
Freddie Mercury calls Janeway. Thought-, before I clicked on the video... Because of the title, -that it might be a skit🤣👌
Janeway should have said "I'm sorry, but *I will not comply*."
And when she asked the Queen what she was up to, she should have said "State your intentions."
The more personality the Borg gained the less scary they became
You'd think a queen (of the borg, especially) would use the royal "We".
fuuh44 right!
It's the reverse, the drones use 'we' - as in 'we are the borg' etc, only the queen uses I
'Oh god! Harry's falling in love again!'
"We'll see you soon Harry.."
Oooooohhhh i get shivers down the spine and then laugh my ass off. Got to be the sexiest threat in tv history.
I had previously wondered why The Queen picks on Harry specifically. Was it her simply reading his face and body language while they waited for Janeway. Or, more likely. When 7 of 9 had her first regeneration back in the collective. And as the Queen said, "Our thoughts are One", does that mean she was using Sevens knowledge of Harry's lust for 7 of 9, against him?
I hope somewhere there is an outtake of her blowing a kiss and licking her lips at him.
No its because Janeway is very protective over Harry, perhaps more so than other crew because he joined fresh out of starfleet, new recruit and young and vulnerable. He's like a son she hasnt got. So it was to scare Janeway. Very chilling indeed tho :)
Yours makes the most sense......but I like Robert Mac's explanation more...... ^_^
Well, considering that Harry called Janeway and Chakotay up to the bridge when the Queen came onscreen, that means she and Harry were either silently eyeballing each other or making awkward small talk until they got there.
Maybe she was just being polite after that 😁
Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated, blah blah blah. But there's no need to be uncivilized about it.
I think its a callback to the first meeting with species 8472. Harry got injured, and they had to use borg nanoprobes to save him. That may have connected him ever so briefly to the collective, and made HER aware of him specifically.
I've always thought the Borg, for all their technological superiority, just didn't know how to sell the package. What if the Borg offered each race a version of their most cherished fantasies and ideals? For example, if the Borg Queen was dressed up as Queen Elizabeth I and her drones were all knights in shining armor, with the inside of the Borg cube looking like medieval Canterbury (except with flush toilets). Races would line up to sign up.
They're machines, not holograms. They're only concern is to take every species a part of themselves. They don't care about the comfort of their targets, or even the speed of how they accomplish assimilation.
@@dadevi Wrong. The Borg are cybernetic organisms, not machines. They are closer to Alita Battle Angel than a Terminator. And, as the T-1001 convinced Sarah Connor in that excellent tv series, her model doesn't want to destroy or enslave humans, but only to manage them.
@@zincChameleon but the Borg are only interested in reaching the goal of perfection. So it doesn't matter how long it takes or how many species are lost. If it would only take one species to reach perfection they would have just assimilated them.
@@zincChameleon but the Borg are only interested in reaching the goal of perfection. So it doesn't matter how long it takes or how many species are lost. If it would only take one species to reach perfection they would have just assimilated them.
They never assimilated the trick to lying. "Resistance is futile you will be assimilated"
"We just want to scan your ship to learn your tech, then we'll be on our way. We definitely won't assimilate you." would be a little transparent but they might fool someone.
Or even Mars Attacks style "Do not run, we are your friends!"
The borg are sick of Voyager. They wanted to send them home quickly. 😆
Negotiation is irrelevant.
We'll see you soon harry
They pissed around with the Borg too casually in Voy. They could easily send any borg vessel to assimilate voyager within minutes.
Which she explained she left them alone
i should be horrified, but A GIRL KNOWS MY NAME
In an alternate timeline, Janeway carves the transwarp technology out of the borg queen's warm corpse.
You know, given what the Borg tried to do at the end of Scorpion, why didn't Janeway think to do the same. Agree to the Queen's offer, take the transwarp coils, then turn around and betray her, maybe use that pathogen we had to wait till 'Endgame' for her to use.
I think the pathogen was brought by her future self
Cause Janeway does have principles.
i wonder if that final word of the queen was an inside joke in the writing room
Harry accidentally pressed the “Clippy: Borg Queen edition” button as an add on to “Sentence” 2370
THAT LAST PART GAVE ME CHILLS.
She should have taken the free Borg Uber ride. Would have save her a whole lot of headache oh well.😎
Borg Queen. We all use our collective minds to add to our calculationing processing powers....
Spy's the Asian man.......
Queen - Ahhhhhhhh yes. Perfect..... You will be 2 off 22.
Harry - Wait, that's a takeaway order! Racist!
Queen - See you soon Harry.
THAT END PART of the Borg queen saying to Harry " We will see you soon " creeps me out.
😆 "we'll see you soon harry" lol even with the borg harry kim can't catch a break.
Never make deal with the borg, they just break it 99% of he time xD
Exactly. She was there for Scorpion.
Such a lovely hue of purest green
I never understood the Borg, every other species that they assimilated faced dozens of cubes & were obliterated (with a few exceptions). But with the Federation they only send one cube at a time to assimilate Earth & despite knowing where Voyager is they never dispatch multiple vessels to destroy them.
Because "Voyager" ruined the Borg. The "TNG" Borg only had one cube, implied in "Q Who," to scare Guinan's people and make them flee.
I enjoy a good retcon, and "Voyager"'s retcons of the Borg were amusing, But the Borg were not discovered by the Hansens, their first encounter near Federation space was in the Romulan neutral zone in "The Neutral Zone."
This scene always gave me the freaking creeps!
JenG593 Growing up, anytime I watched an episode about the borg, I’d go to bed that night and have nightmares
Jcb986 H yeah I know.
... we'll see you soon Harry! 😈
Good comment. What's up with the bridges lighting on Voyager in this scene? :)
@@rotyler2177 Well I think its the Borg Queen trying to take over the ship. Yikes..she gives me the willies!
"They're hailing us"
Janeway: "On screen"
Queen: "I WANT IT ALL."
AND I WANT IT NOW!
Well hey, at least Harry might get a promotion opportunity as a drone... god knows he won't get one from starfleet anytime soon
Anyone else amused by the fact that Chakotay seems more squicked out by the Queen than horrified like everybody else?
Well Chakotay has ongoing (and asymmetrical) baby-mama-drama with Seska (whose middle name should be "Thirst Issues") and she really is her own brand of horror, so all that's left for Chakotay is squicking. I mean, imagine Seska delivering Borg Queen's speech?! Eww.
@@zuriel7 Well Seska left for the Kaizon and they had no water so, guaranteed she had thirst issues.
WTF have you kids done with the goddamned English language....
I’m honestly surprised Janeway didn’t snarl, “No deal!”at her and hang up the space-phone😂 (I love that Marina Sirtis makes up these words like ‘space phone’ -she’s hysterical!😂💗)
Yeah I saw Marina live too. Very unlike Deanna Troi. Very chatty actually. The presentation actually went a lot longer than it was supposed to. Told us stories about how the producer would tell her to weigh a certain amount for the set.
You gotta piss yourself when borg queen says to you
-See you soon.
Queen: I'll make you an offer you can't refuse. Resistance is futile.
when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object.
The only human woman I think the Borg Queen is scared of.
Picard might be badass for making it to Borg and back again and setting an end to them in the Alpha Quadrant, but how badass is Janeway that the Borg in the Delta Quadrant, their home turf, are so afraid of her they even start negotiating with her and want to sent her off home asap?
Why anyone would want to have there body chopped up like the queen pretty much of what happened to her is damn crazy in my eyes.
I think the concept of a Borg Queen really undermined the idea of the Borg... Back in the day, they were this massive hive mind with only a single goal. Their unity, their equality, their lack of individuality was what made them so scary, so ruthless and so efficient. Having one, single, superior, individual mind controlling them all takes away from that... it turns the Borg from some massive force of nature into mere pawns in the game of a higher mind...
That...honestly sounds even more terrifying. The borg queen also makes it much more difficult to liberate drones, remember hugh? When he was re-assimilated The borg fractured, now that there is a queen the chances of liberating a borg (who's chance is already low) is even lower.
Not to mention having a superior mind just moving hundreds of borg ships on her command, all decision come to her, so if you manage to piss her off enough she will just transwarp all of her ships to your homeworld, no argument from anyone else. If she wishes something to be done it will be done.
The idea of the Borg Queen and her invention is the fault of the movie First Contact. I saw an interview on the movie and they stated that the writers had problems with coming up with dialogue for a Borg computer voice(that we had seen on TNG) in it's talking parts with Data and Picard. To get around that they came up with the Queen.
It is indeed terrifying, but not in a Borg way... the Borg are stoic. They do not get pissed off. They will not risk getting half their forces destroyed as a result of acting on anger. Instead, they will continue their slow march through the galaxy until they eventually, inevitably reach your world and assimilate it. Because they were prepared, not driven by some rushed, angry decision.
The Borg Queen was a tremendous writing failure. It fractured continuity and emasculated the heroes endeavors into a one part comedy and one part character assassination of Jean Luc Picard. Its sad when a game like Star Trek Armada can come up with a better plot for the Borg than a multi million dollar movie.
Actually the concept of the borg queen is explained by herself, hinting the possibility of even more than one queen in the same space time and many in different realities, that's why she called humans "so tridimentional" in our thinking. They are created just to control big sectors or quadrants, and they select female of any species mostly because they are more adaptable to handle many situations at the same time. Borg queens therefore have no actually a mind by themselves, but a higher set of instructions or rank. As any borg, they still have some kind of individual thoughts, allowed by the collective to be exposed or maybe filtered for moments, giving that sense of "individuality" that the queen in First Contact appears to have, but it's just for intimidation purposes.
I recon harry tried to hit on to the queen before janeway came to the bridge, so I recon that's why she said" we will see you soon harry"
For the fist time in history the Borg ask to negotiate and Janeways answer is a hard No without a second thought....
I have no issue with the queen... I DO have issue with her calling them up like a Saturday morning cartoon villain. Compare this to Janeway making an alliance with Borg in Scorpion. Just the voice of the legion talking down to her from every direction. It was ominous, threatening and completely alien. This is just sad.
Yes, exactly. The Voyager writers did not understand the Borg at all.
I found CPT Janeway to be the most intelligent, strong, articulate, and of course, sexy, captain of the entire franchise. But then, I'm just a man. So sue me. I drive a truck. You ain't gonna get squat.
Jeff Tappan
Janeway was so badass in this episode! When she killed that drone with the bat’ leth . . .
Jeff Tappan so did many female fans including me
she sucked...she was irresponsible putting her crew in harms way...the borg could have assimilated voyager whenever they wanted..or just destroyed them...that show was a joke...
She also gave the Borg a weapon of genocide to use against a species that was merely defending itself.
@@Levi_Skardsen They were not the aggressors and started out defending themselves but 8472 clearly said our universe would be "Purged" at the time. Their current mission was to kill everything not in fluidic space when Janeway got involved.
It makes me wonder if harry kim. Was still broadcasting a borg carrier wave
"We'll see you soon Harry." 😆😆😆😆😆 Fuck, I love that. The only thing that could have made it better? Alice Krige!❤ All due Respect to the sensational Susanna Thompson, the Original Borg Queen is still the One and Only. Just ask Data!😆
Borg Queen calls , you're going to have a bad day .
I love how they flesh out the borg in Voyager. My favorite Voyager episodes involve the Borg.
An empty threat to try to gain the upper hand. Huge mistake Queenie.
Cut out the best part, Harry's reaction 😅
Borg Queen: "Janeway?? Oops...sorry...butt dial."
Admiral Janeway I pray is not is not compromised by the Dominion.