There is a big difference between a BRT and a normal bus. The BRT has covers that hides the rear wheels. That makes it so much better and more BRT than anything. 😉😝😂
@@wouterpaap9343 Yellow and sky blue clearly adds 25 km/h to the top speed (when its eventually not stuck behind 3 other 5Cs and 20 taxies for once) but the whel covers. Think of the aerodynamics. That will definitely only add 3 hours to the delay when one eventually falls off at speed. Fantastic way to cock it up. Way to go Copenhagen. I'll take Odense Letbane any day of the week now that they seem to have sorted most of the issues out (Apart from the tram drivers hitting cars at the Stadium, hitting pedestrians, hitting bicycles etc)
There is a difference though ,for the regular bus there is 4 doors and the front door is double doors but the brt have 5 doors and the front door is a single door look at 2:30 which is the brt and 4:41 which is the normal bus and at 4:53 the seat layout ans the seat itself is a bit different 😅then the brt 😅
Yup. The 5C buses were ordered before that became a requirement. Also hey Miles. Nice seeing you here and witnessing the wonders of "peak public transit", second only to the autonomous Light metro. Though we still struggle to reach the peak set by Detroit here in Copenhagen.
I don’t know where you’re from but we have a frustratingly similar situation in Boston. The Silver line is more of a real BRT than this, but it was really supposed to be a train. They ran out of money, so they had to make it brt instead.
@yaush_ Silver Line was always supposed to be a bus, essentially replacing old Orange Line when the old Elevated Line was demolished and moved underground. It just became the poster child for the phenomenon of "BRT Creep" where BRTs get worse and worse throughout the development process by doing it for cheap. Maybe it can be part of the Green Line one day, but for now it's just sad.
I'm still stuck on the lack of plug sockets. I live in a rural area in England, not exactly known for its transport in the first place... and our local bus route into the city has USB charging ports under every seat, and also free on-board Wi-Fi.
The Wi-Fi in my area is still ropey, but yeah my rural area got USB charging last year. I think planners simply go "all busses are the same" and keep cutting corners.
Since a lot of people use their smartphones to pay for bus tickets, and later to prove that they have a valid ticket, the lack of charging options is a problem.
The fact that they cut the frequency is really the cherry on top. It shows people who decide on such projects are usually disconnected from reality and believe that the problem is that the bus does not have a fancy appearance or good marketing.
Yeah. Here in Copenhagen every single case where a route has received larger vehicles, it has resulted in service cutbacks. Only 2 lines in the city use articulated buses at all, the 5C and 2A. When the 2A switched from normal triaxle buses to articulated buses, its frequency was also slashed from every 4 minutes to every 7.5 at peak periods.
If course the frequency was cut - with fewer buses ordered than the number previously operating the (shorter) regular route. The thought was that the capacity, in terms of number of seats/standees per hour would be the same, given the higher capacity. Something which work well on a piece of paper. Reality... errr... not so much. And when you talk about frequency... try to get hold of some of the bus-schedules from the 1960s immediately after the original tram-lines were replaced by buses.... Almost all lines, even secondary got 3-5 minute intervals - and the many new standard buses were certified to carry 90+ passengers. The main problem in Copenhagen was bad post-war planning.... in the critical years 1945-1960 only 8 new tramcars were built, most of the original 1902-1905 vehicles still lingered on, together with some subsequent pre-WW2 additions to cope with expansion. This unfortunately had the same consequence as seen abroad, the citizens and their politician considered trams as something old fashioned and outdated - compared with all the new buses which were acquired during the post-war years! The 100 new trams during the 1960s was too few and too late - the public and official verdict was already in, and the system was doomed. In my world, as long as there is anyone still remembering the system in the 1960ssystem with the old worn-down rattling trams, any proposals of re-building a tram-system worth the name is doomed from the outset. That was why the decision-makers instead opted for the 'mini-metro' instead back in the 1990s when the decision was made. And those bringing up "the narrow streets of Copenhagen" are kindly reminded of cities like Amsterdam....
@@PerCPH2200 I think this shows that implementation is key. If you implement a solution badly, no matter if you call it Metro, tram or BRT, it's going to leave a sour taste in people's mouths. And this is a problem if you are actually advocating for public transport as it will cause people to distrust you in the future and be hesitant to any future proposals.
@@drdewott9154 To be honest that not too bad of a cut and is probabally for the better if the buses keep on bunching. But has the services got more crowded since the cuts?
I had the pleasure of riding this bus from work earlier today, and while standing in the open air freedom that my busstop provides, I saw three 5C buses pass me in a -train- row the other direction before one managed to arrive going my way, allowing me to bask in the splendour of Danish public transport for ten more minutes than I had originally planned. Truly the highlight of my day
You forgot to show revolutionary Nørrebro Station, which features a definitely spacious and safe enough stop for one of the lines busiest transfer points. Three - four busses of the same 5C line, or nothing at all? That's what Copenhagen Municipality calls revolutionary.
And lets not forget how in 2021, they were handed 50% funding to convert the northern part of the line to Light rail, but they refused immediately and politicians from Venstre and Konservative even compared tram tracks directly to the Berlin Wall. Absolute absurdity.
Excellent irony, Simon! Thank you. Although this is April Fool's Day, this is not a joke. Glad you featured the rough riding quality because any bus ride is only as good as the road surface. We must also remember that all rubber-tyred vehicles produce lots of run-off polution and carcinogenic air particulates.
operators here also drive their fleets shittily, yet my years in London showed that those ones didn't (too much congestion most of the time), so their relieving themselves of *a l l* their articulated ones *m u s t* be saying something about these effing rejects
there had been decades of zanily speedy drivers along the (especial) nighttime routes who'd customarily jet down open streets, clipping 55MPH / 90KPH .. the fleets would lurch every which way plying the west's finest roadways hereabouts .. the following shows how nighttimers now take to clogging even expressway lanes, elevated or entrenched: ruclips.net/video/XXY2WMtsvto/видео.html ;)
The funny thing is that the times when I've traveled on this bus route, the buses have always been half full to empty cause everyone just takes route 250S (the actual express bus) that runs the same route and only stops at the larger stops. The problem is that route 250S only depaurts every 15-20 minutes so that bus is always overcrowded... To and from the Airport people take the metro instead as it's much quicker than the 5C...
Yeah but 5A used to be packed super tight everyday in rush hour. It's amazing what a difference better frequency makes. And dreadful what a difference worse frequency makes.
The crowding of the 250S is a real problem. 250S is the only real viable transportation option that can bring me home, unless I want to spend an additional half hour touring Kongelunden in a 33 or go to the airport for a 35 and have a long walk home or a wait of a 33 or 250S at end of their lines. It really needs to run more often, especially at peak hours.
I don't think BRT systems are for big cities. Hamburg is the best example here. It's a shame that many cities, especially German cities, tend to rely on buses and thus continue to have massive problems with particulate matter. In Hamburg, this situation is now being cemented with the U5 underground line, which makes me think of Switzerland. With this video you have impressively shown why BRT is nothing ^^ Thank you
Most German cities have trams or light rail. Hamburg is the only major city not to have such a network, because they foolishly demolished theirs in the late 70s.
@@bahnspotterEUWiesbaden removed its trams and does "like" to call itself the largest German city without urban rail (whether true or not). The local government proposed light rail a few years ago, but voters rejected it. Kiel also ditched its trams, but has apparently decided to rebuilt basically its entire historical network (with some tweaks). The largest place outside Hamburg without (almost) any trams is of course West Berlin, which removed its entire network and only recently got some minor extensions out of East Berlin.
Big cities need small transit lines too. BRT should be the standard for any reasonably frequent (10min or less) bus line, of which there are plenty even in cities with massive passenger train networks.
@@hylje Do you know the Metrobus system in Hamburg? It was once planned as a BRT, but systematically it is more of a city bus. Are there any functioning BRT systems?
Steel rails laid between communities represent connection and commitment. As easily and quickly as this BUS was introduced, it can be withdrawn, and that's the end of that. I also note that the narrator acknowledged that buses get stuck in traffic. Trams and light rail have dedicated tracks and right-of-way.
Trams don't necessarily have dedicated right-of-ways. It common in older system to have car lanes over the rails. I think it's good to have busses and trams share the same space under certain conditions, if it improves bus lines : if you have a very good trunk tram lines but busses are slow and stuck in traffic, that's not a good transit system.
"As easily and quickly as this BUS was introduced, it can be withdrawn..." My country would probably call that financial prudence & "conservation of scarce resources"
@@constancel4211 If they are planned well they only eat 1, maybe 2 lanes from the road or get built on a paralel street pedestrianising it. In this case there is plenty of room to play around for a tram route to not conflict with traffic.
I recently flew from CPH to München. We didn’t land at a terminal, so we had to take a bus, and I was surprised to board a 5C with plain grey interior. I instinctively even went to check in with my rejsekort, but the terminals were obviously not there. I looked around to see if anyone else was as surprised and intruiged as I was, but everyone else seemed to just be in airtravel mode - that is, slightly annoyed and stressed and bored.
Intresting must have been some kind of either replacement bus or something, ive never seen that on the 5C? Maybe you got a rail replacement bus for the metro or railway that also goes to the airport?
Bus Rapid Transit is actually a good thing for high use bus routes. But it is NOT a replacement for a tram or a train, it is simply supposed to be another tool that you can use to improve public transport in an area. But if they're trying to sell Bus Rapid Transit as a tram replacement, RUN, don't walk away, but RUN. Funny enough, the CityLine is what they call the BRT system in Spokane, Washington, US.....and it has all the same issues that you mention here, except I will give it credit for having level boarding.
Looking forward to seeing the performance numbers for the Light Rail for Copenhagen, it's not the same route as the 5C, but it should prove a point when comparing it to the infamous 300S line. @Simon Andersen Do you know the amount of passengers 300S is/used to be taking?
Living in Aalborg and I like the Plusbus, because the city was rebuilt to accomodate it. For all of the more trafficked areas, there are dedicated bus lanes, with their own signal priorities.
The best concepts so far is the diesel busses with electrical train wire above to go electric that is not only the most green you can go but extremely systainable with the ability to go off rout to not be late.
Well done, Simon. You fooled me! I thought someone in Copenhagen (not you) actually thought a BRT was as good as a tram or light rail and you were proving they were idiots. My nearest city (Bristol, UK) tried to convince us their metrobus was a good alternative. IT'S A BUS, people!
good brt and guided busways are very good and can be as good as a tram (or better) if built correctly. For example, Birmingham Metro mixes with traffic in the city centre and opens it's doors at stations for about 5 seconds. It's frequency is also around 12 mins which is terrible. Metrobus seems alright and priority measures have actually been made, although, the 30 second guided busway on the P&R line is a bit useless.
In some parts this reminds me of bus 12 of Utrecht, also known as the sardine (can) line. They used to drive massive double articulated busses until the line was recently replaced by a brand new tram line.
Yeah but this is Copenhagen. Its still very carbrained compared to what you'd be lead to believe. Public transit especially has a jokingly low modal share here. Only 18% in the innermost municipality. For comparison Oslo has 40% and Stockholm has 47% and theirs are for the whole metropolitan area, including the suburbs. If Copenhagen included its suburbs we'd be looking much lower. Transit sadly isnt a big priority here, and politicians deliberately want to make transit worse here since they see people taking transit for short urban trips below 10km in length as a threat to their goals of getting people to cycle for trips instead.
Well yeah, this is Copenhagens attempt at copying Malmö Expressen. Malmö Expressen is what started this insanity wave of BRT promotion across Denmark which is still continuing to this day, with BRT being claimed as being just as good and in many cases even better than Light rail, often with completely false information. But yeah this is Copenhagens attempt at copying Malmös homework and putting in even less effort. A proper light rail proposal existed around the same time but the city turned it down in favour of copying Malmö.
What in the world do they make buses out of which gives them that special jarring rattle? Cars, trucks, trains, trams, boats, coaches, nothing else makes that special hammering vibration.
What’s also funny: MAN designed a special, more modern front end for these BRT buses, completely different to all other MANs, as well as rear wheel covers to make the buses look more streamlined. Except… They took both of these things DIRECTLY from the Neoplan Centroliner Evolution, which was designed way back in 2002, by a competitor which MAN later purchased and cancelled (except for their coaches) 😢😂
@@sjokomelkI know, I’m a bus driver myself. Sadly the same fate has now also reached Scania, with the whole city bus production being cancelled just months after they released a brand new model…
Most of the traffic corridors out of Copenhagen have a dedicated S-train or a metro-line, but Brønshøj Husum is a dead spot in the Copenhagen traffic planning. Locals have been lobbying for a metro-line or a light-rail, but so far it hasn't happened. Perhaps Brønshøj will be next in line after the upcoming metro to Amager and Nordhavn. Or perhaps the politicians are planning to wait for the current worker shortage to be over.
Was in Copenhagen just couple weeks ago and on the 5C bus quite a few times. Actually found the frequency quite impressive. But didn't know it has such a "BRT" story. No it is not BRT in any way but the service is far from bad. This is coming from someone who's used to the buses in Beijing, where there are 20-30 min interval everywhere and no timetable available.
We did the exact same thing in Hamburg around the 70's with ripping of tram tracks and replacing them with puny busses. Today we suffer just from everything you mentioned in this video. Yet our brilliant politicians still talk about buliding the biggest bus network in europe and trams as being monsters of steel ("Stahlungetümer"). This is soo devestating...... 😭😭
I’d say reinvigorate light rail. It’s usually cheaper and unless there’s a short tunnelled section, you don’t have to go downstairs to board. Your metro lines are so deep underground at points ur almost at the mantle although it’s a fab system
Astounding, the city buses in the comparatively tiny city of jönköping are miles ahead! Like sure, use a bus instead of a proper tram, i get it, but would it really kill the budget to use fancy buses? Having standing areas specifically designed for you to stand with your phone facing the window ought to buy a lot of goodwill for the line!
I respect the Aalborg Plusbus. I hate how the government didn't want to give money to fund a tram but atleast the council tried to do the best they can to provide an improvement on the corridor.
At least they run on CNG (compressed natural gas) so they are slightly less polluting than a diesel bus, but definitely using BRT's are just municipalities way of procrastinating and not dealing with the problem instead of realizing light rail is the way to go long term. Denmark is really flat and perfect to build a great train network but we're not taking advantage of it like we should and losing money in the process and ending up with infrastructure in rough condition as a result, cars are just so expensive to build infrastructure for it's not worth it. Meanwhile Switzerland is extremely mountainous AND have the best trains in the world.
Eh, depends. Burning methane certainly produces less emissions than burning diesel, but methane is a very potent greenhouse gas, much more so than carbon dioxide even although not quite as long-lived in the atmosphere. So including leaks, it's quite possible that CNG is even more harmful than diesel in the "short term" of 20-30 years or so.
Oh man I love how your video oozes irony! Even if this would have been a "proper" BRT, the space requirements, road wear and tear, and vehicle longevity are absolutly subpar compared to any tram. "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.”
Meanwhile the city rejected government funding for converting the northern part of this bus line to a Light rail route, with some politicians infamously comparing tram tracks to the Berlin wall. Theyve since restarted studies but now with BRT as the main option... I'd assume proper BRT but this corridor still needs much more. The 5C bus line is the 2nd busiest in all of Europe, behind only the Line 5 bus in Hamburg! The corridor needs an improvement and theres no incentive to build metro to the areas served by it due to the low density and lack of space to develop new highrise districts. So a light rail is really the only viable option.
@@drdewott9154Danish media and politicians for some reason sees trams as a bad thing so they want to convince the public that trams are bad and buses are better. Or its just grumpy motorists who can't handle having to take extra care on the roads.
Nu siger du "press the bonton" jeg plejer at slå på den, så åbner den i første forsøg. bare et trick fra en gammel Københavner. Jeg har også overvejet at bruge en hammer😮💨
They trolled us in Prague too. Everyone asked for a tram or a metro to the Airport. And they built a ... trolleys for a 25 meter long trolleybus. Actually it´s not that bad but this video reminded me the new trolleybuses soo much.
We actually use the very same bus type on Denmarks first "proper" BRT line, the Aalborg Plusbus. It opened in September last year and there's a video about it on the same channel. Part of the reason why Simon made this is because some BRT idiots were trying to use his video on the Plusbus to discredit trams and investments into trams over "The much superior BRT".
@@austriankangaroo The problem in Prague is that there's basically already a Metro line that gets you like 80% of the way to the airport, where you have to change to a bus (or vice versa if you're coming from the airport). It would be a lot smarter if they just extended the Metro line all the way instead of this patchwork solution.
i for fun once took the same route as this bus on a bike(doing somewhat rushhour) while a friend was there on the 5C bus i was there around 30-40min before my friend on the bus was there: i feel like biking / taking a bus or public transport should be around the same time it take to travel in a city atleast if around 5-10km long to travel yeah these busses kinda just sucks also too often too over crowded and honestly i avoid this bus at all cost whenever i can
Removing the trams in Copenhagen and Aarhus was an incredibly short-sighted decision. While these new electric buses are slightly more comfortable than diesel buses, they're nowhere close to trams. What buggers me more is how they just increased the prices by 20%, while at the same time silently adjusted the metro's schedule to only run once every 6 minutes outside rush hours (it was previously 4 minutes). That when you already pay an extra fee for the pleasure of using the metro, which actually runs on time around 90% of the time, with frequent disruptions in rush hours.
Trams are terrible they have terrible uptime due to people that keep crashing into them in that way a metro is far better and faster I also prefer busses because stops can be more frequent and much simpler and cheaper. (The tram like system in Aarhus and Odense is a great example of this)
The curent problem is the following : more and more cities prefer to build BRT instead of tram, while tram is needed, Just to save money (like the Tzen 4 and the TVM in Paris suburb). BRT is good but it does not replace a train.
Not shure if it is an anomaly, but in my town in switzerland are many level-boarding stopps on the bus network So it should be possible, though in dense areas trams are the better option for shure
Yes double decker buses are unfortunately are the thing of the past, the last double decker ended in 2014 before they replace them with single deck buses. Though double decker do exist as hop on-hop off tour buses. I wish Copenhagen never removed double decker buses, they should had reduced the number of them instead of removing them altogether.
I know this was meant as a joke but this is actually very much like a typical North American tram. A lot of them are stuck in much worse traffic. The Muni LRVs don't have level boarding outside of the tunnel. It really isn't about the mode -- it is what you do for it. The mode only really matters when it comes to capacity.
There is a difference ,the brt have 5 doors and the front door is single but the regular bus have 4 doors and the front door is double doors look at 2:30 which is the brt bus and 4:41 Yiu can see the difference
The fact that there's no LRT or Metro connection from the airport through tårnby and Amagerbro to central Copenhagen is borderline criminal... whose idea was it to plan the metro to go by the beach and not the densely populated sundbyerene... I just need a word.
I assume this was meant to be on the 5C video i made, but the reason for putting the railway line though the beach was there was already a previos railway allignment making construction significantly less complex and cheaper.
Jeg ved virkelig ikke hvad der er sejt ved 5C. Jeg troede den var speciel indtil at jeg kørte med 2A. Et ny bogstav, og knapper ved dørrene. Jeg håber at hvis de modtager movia´s forslag om Hovedstadens BRT at det rent faktisk bliver BRT
Compare trying to text on a tram and on a bus. Copenhagen made the mistake of getting rid of trams long ago. We still have them in Gothenburg and they do an excellent job.
I think the worst thing about BRT is that it’s far too easy and tempting for politicians to promise BRT (Bus Rapid Transit), but actually deliver BRT* (Basic Rebadged Transportation).
Did you coordinate thumbnails with Superalbs? LOL. In all seriousness, I went to Copenhagen last summer and used the 5C to get from the train station to my hotel by the river (the Hilton). I thought it was OK for a bus, but admittedly I only went a few stops. A tram would probably nicer.
I use this bus to commute every day. I hate the exterior door button with a passion Here's something most people don't know though. When you press a stop button near a door, that door will open automatically when the bus stops
Oh my, 5C, the horror! I try to avoid it as much as I can, and yet I'm somehow forced to used it occasionally, since it's the only bus line on certain streets. It pretty much always welcomes me with up to 15 or more minutes of delay, disgusting seats and not enough space between the passengers' Netto shopping bags to fit atl least my tiny school bag that I'm carrying. I believe that any other local Copenhagen bus line (any with plain yellow buses without any letters in the name) does their job significantly better than the 5C.
To make a proper BRT system you need: *Dedicated bus lanes *Priority queue jumps in intersections *Heavy isolation from other vehicles *Bus stops who are functional and practical *Extremly high frequency It's not enough to buy long buses and call it a Rapid Transport System. It's bullshit if not done right. Aalborg did it right, Copenhagen did not. If you can't afford a tram line and don't have any idea how to make a BRT line, simply wait for funds to make a tram line and in the meantime focus your attention on improving what you already have (queue jumps, partial bus lanes, better bus stops)
To be fair - they don't call it a tram. The traffic company never said it was supposed to be like a tram. They've also never called it a BRT. They wanted to build a BRT, but were prevented from doing so by NIMBYs. There's no false marketing here - Movia has been very clear in their communication that this is just a marginally fancier bus.
I disagree slightly. The marketing material referred to it as something along the lines of BRT-Like or BRT-Lite multiple times, suggesting it was at least close to a BRT. This was also how it was reported in media outlets like Ingeniøren, etc. However, this is/was an April Fools' video and it's not meant to be a proper deep dive into the 5C and its problems-just a bit of goof regarding what, in my opinion, is one of Copenhagen's most lacking transit corridors.
Would a tram actually work here? If there is no room for a dedicated bus line, then there is also no room for a dedicated tram line. So the trams would also get stuck in traffic. As far as I can see the only real option is an underground metro - and some politicians have started discussing this again.
Physically, yes, a tram would work since it generally doesn’t take up more space than a bus. However, prioritizing space for transit versus cars is largely a political decision. Personally, I think there’s room for a tram or dedicated bus lanes, though this often comes at the cost of lanes or parking spaces for cars in many areas. For example, the busy section around Nørrebrogade sees about 3,500 cars but carries around 22,100 people on bikes, and buses along the corridor transport about 60,000 people daily. There isn’t enough space for both a dedicated tram/bus lane and a car lane, so the choices are either to keep cars mixed with transit-which slows down public transit but maintains car access-or to restrict the road to buses, trams, and bikes only, improving journey times at the expense of drivers. Obviously, a metro doesn’t have these road space constraints, but it’s significantly more expensive than a bus or tram lane. So, again, it’s a policy question: is it worth sacrificing car space to make surface transit like buses or trams faster and save on metro construction costs? Should we invest in a metro, which is the least disruptive to cars and the surface but costs much more? Or should we stick with the current setup, where cars and transit share space-keeping things as they are but without really benefiting any mode of transport?
the city I'm studying in is implementing a system like this, BUT it's a city of 100k people, so imo it's a decent solution especially for a country that is not that affluent. but for copenhagen? yeah...
The danger is of course how many years the roads will be dug up and risking businesses going out of business during that time. Here in Odense it seemed like forever that it was under construction and it comes no where near where we live. I'm not sure it was worth it. Recently I've been driving my car near these tracks and the lights were red for a looong time. It felt like 4 minutes or more waiting for the tram to come by. I should be more prepared to stop my engine near those areas. Or I will try to avoid these areas choosing a route that is 3 or 4 minutes longer.
The thing is, to build a bus that even comes closes to replicate what a tram can do in terms of reliability and capacity, you also need to dig up the road to build dedicated lanes. Look at Aalborg which took just about as long to construct as the tram in Odense and that's with a lot of the infrastructure already existing in Aalborgs case. I can assure you that there is no way you waited 4 minutes for the signal to turn green. The most common cycle time in Denmark is about 60-80 seconds with up towards 120 being used in busy intersections. 3-4 minutes is unheard of 😊
@@Simon-Andersen I'll double check the wait time near Bilka. The wait was way longer than 90 seconds. Of course something could have been wrong. I'm not exaggerating to be funny. Closer to 3 minutes. I'm not an impatient person and accept that the tram needs to be there, but the system wasn't moving smoothly. It was about 4 weeks. ago, so it wasn't near it's opening either.
I've always thought the best form of public transport is the Trolleybus. It has the mobility of a bus, meaning it can go around traffic, unlike a tram. It's also electric so it doesn't pollute the city and, since it uses a catenary instead of a battery, it doesn't pollute when it comes to the manufacture of batteries which is resource heavy and expensive. I've always been pro-trolleybus, idk why we stopped using them in the developed nations. Also, great video with that typical Danish irony that always takes me a while to get 😂😂😂
The majority of the pollution from buses comes from their rubber tyres, not from their exhausts. This is exponentially true for heavy vehicles such as buses and trucks.
@@AFVEH a subway, a tram, and a trolleybus all serve completely different needs and are not interchangeable. Trolleybuses aren't scalable, trams aren't flexible, and subways aren't cheap.
@@Redstarka22 Trolleybuses are less scalable than regular buses but still really scalable. I'm not saying it's flawless, but it's the best we have for everyday public transport in urbanized areas. It's the most balance option amongst all those categories you stated.
I sense a slight hint of irony in this video
I would even upgrade that statement to "sarcasm" 😬
I sense a suspicious release date for this 😂
@@paulthiel5145 I was thinking the same not irony but sarcasm
Only a slight? XD
And you´d be right 😀
lol "level boarding" you got me
Haha. I took a second look because I thought I was actually missing it.
There is a big difference between a BRT and a normal bus. The BRT has covers that hides the rear wheels. That makes it so much better and more BRT than anything. 😉😝😂
You might be forgetting that the BRT is not at all yellow and red, its is yellow and sky blue, another huge advantage!
@@wouterpaap9343 Yellow and sky blue clearly adds 25 km/h to the top speed (when its eventually not stuck behind 3 other 5Cs and 20 taxies for once) but the whel covers. Think of the aerodynamics. That will definitely only add 3 hours to the delay when one eventually falls off at speed. Fantastic way to cock it up. Way to go Copenhagen. I'll take Odense Letbane any day of the week now that they seem to have sorted most of the issues out (Apart from the tram drivers hitting cars at the Stadium, hitting pedestrians, hitting bicycles etc)
@@Christian29200 the Odense Letbane hungers for the blood sacrifice of others in traffic.
BRT stands for Beautiful Rear Tires
There is a difference though ,for the regular bus there is 4 doors and the front door is double doors but the brt have 5 doors and the front door is a single door look at 2:30 which is the brt and 4:41 which is the normal bus and at 4:53 the seat layout ans the seat itself is a bit different 😅then the brt 😅
nothing greater than when a city cheaps out on public transit!
You're telling me random hourly routes in Copenhagen's semi-rural exurbs have charge sockets but the 5C doesn't??
Yeah pretty much.
Source: Spent 5 months studying there on exchange
Yup. The 5C buses were ordered before that became a requirement. Also hey Miles. Nice seeing you here and witnessing the wonders of "peak public transit", second only to the autonomous Light metro. Though we still struggle to reach the peak set by Detroit here in Copenhagen.
Yup pretty much!
Even the old gen bses in AArhus have USB retrofitted lol. Someone must have forgot to check that box when specking the ENTIRE 5C batch out 😆😆😆
The funny thing is that as an American these buses look really nice and it took me a sec to realize that it was an April fools video.
I don’t know where you’re from but we have a frustratingly similar situation in Boston. The Silver line is more of a real BRT than this, but it was really supposed to be a train. They ran out of money, so they had to make it brt instead.
@@yaush_ They never run out of money, just change spending priorities.
@yaush_ Silver Line was always supposed to be a bus, essentially replacing old Orange Line when the old Elevated Line was demolished and moved underground. It just became the poster child for the phenomenon of "BRT Creep" where BRTs get worse and worse throughout the development process by doing it for cheap. Maybe it can be part of the Green Line one day, but for now it's just sad.
You don't get it. They are no busses. They are BRT. That is the problem.
This guy is just generally pissed and angry at everything,the bus in this video is completely fine and he is just being an 🍑
I'm still stuck on the lack of plug sockets.
I live in a rural area in England, not exactly known for its transport in the first place... and our local bus route into the city has USB charging ports under every seat, and also free on-board Wi-Fi.
The Wi-Fi in my area is still ropey, but yeah my rural area got USB charging last year.
I think planners simply go "all busses are the same" and keep cutting corners.
The 5c does have free wifi.
Since a lot of people use their smartphones to pay for bus tickets, and later to prove that they have a valid ticket, the lack of charging options is a problem.
yes because your phone battery is being drained by proving you have a ticket😂
The fact that they cut the frequency is really the cherry on top. It shows people who decide on such projects are usually disconnected from reality and believe that the problem is that the bus does not have a fancy appearance or good marketing.
Yeah. Here in Copenhagen every single case where a route has received larger vehicles, it has resulted in service cutbacks. Only 2 lines in the city use articulated buses at all, the 5C and 2A. When the 2A switched from normal triaxle buses to articulated buses, its frequency was also slashed from every 4 minutes to every 7.5 at peak periods.
If course the frequency was cut - with fewer buses ordered than the number previously operating the (shorter) regular route. The thought was that the capacity, in terms of number of seats/standees per hour would be the same, given the higher capacity. Something which work well on a piece of paper. Reality... errr... not so much. And when you talk about frequency... try to get hold of some of the bus-schedules from the 1960s immediately after the original tram-lines were replaced by buses.... Almost all lines, even secondary got 3-5 minute intervals - and the many new standard buses were certified to carry 90+ passengers.
The main problem in Copenhagen was bad post-war planning.... in the critical years 1945-1960 only 8 new tramcars were built, most of the original 1902-1905 vehicles still lingered on, together with some subsequent pre-WW2 additions to cope with expansion. This unfortunately had the same consequence as seen abroad, the citizens and their politician considered trams as something old fashioned and outdated - compared with all the new buses which were acquired during the post-war years! The 100 new trams during the 1960s was too few and too late - the public and official verdict was already in, and the system was doomed. In my world, as long as there is anyone still remembering the system in the 1960ssystem with the old worn-down rattling trams, any proposals of re-building a tram-system worth the name is doomed from the outset. That was why the decision-makers instead opted for the 'mini-metro' instead back in the 1990s when the decision was made. And those bringing up "the narrow streets of Copenhagen" are kindly reminded of cities like Amsterdam....
@@PerCPH2200 I think this shows that implementation is key. If you implement a solution badly, no matter if you call it Metro, tram or BRT, it's going to leave a sour taste in people's mouths. And this is a problem if you are actually advocating for public transport as it will cause people to distrust you in the future and be hesitant to any future proposals.
@@drdewott9154 To be honest that not too bad of a cut and is probabally for the better if the buses keep on bunching. But has the services got more crowded since the cuts?
@@drdewott9154Where I live in Germany I could only dream of such frequencies haha. Also those protected bike lanes I see I. The video
Thank God, there was enough space left for advertising screens!
I had the pleasure of riding this bus from work earlier today, and while standing in the open air freedom that my busstop provides, I saw three 5C buses pass me in a -train- row the other direction before one managed to arrive going my way, allowing me to bask in the splendour of Danish public transport for ten more minutes than I had originally planned. Truly the highlight of my day
The horror[idiot]
You forgot to show revolutionary Nørrebro Station, which features a definitely spacious and safe enough stop for one of the lines busiest transfer points. Three - four busses of the same 5C line, or nothing at all? That's what Copenhagen Municipality calls revolutionary.
And lets not forget how in 2021, they were handed 50% funding to convert the northern part of the line to Light rail, but they refused immediately and politicians from Venstre and Konservative even compared tram tracks directly to the Berlin Wall. Absolute absurdity.
Thanks for reminding me that it's prank day
I didn't get that this was satire at first. As an American, those busses and bus lanes are amazing!
Excellent irony, Simon! Thank you. Although this is April Fool's Day, this is not a joke. Glad you featured the rough riding quality because any bus ride is only as good as the road surface. We must also remember that all rubber-tyred vehicles produce lots of run-off polution and carcinogenic air particulates.
Yes! In Sweden the number is around 40 kg of particulate matter per person per year from road traffic. That's insane.
bendy buses are crap .. telling how London hastily scrapped theirs post-introduction 👏👏👏
Ride quality also depends on the bus driver as well. In my city, 80% of drivers slam the brake 3-4 times just to stop at the red light and station.
operators here also drive their fleets shittily, yet my years in London showed that those ones didn't (too much congestion most of the time), so their relieving themselves of *a l l* their articulated ones *m u s t* be saying something about these effing rejects
there had been decades of zanily speedy drivers along the (especial) nighttime routes who'd customarily jet down open streets, clipping 55MPH / 90KPH .. the fleets would lurch every which way plying the west's finest roadways hereabouts .. the following shows how nighttimers now take to clogging even expressway lanes, elevated or entrenched: ruclips.net/video/XXY2WMtsvto/видео.html ;)
The funny thing is that the times when I've traveled on this bus route, the buses have always been half full to empty cause everyone just takes route 250S (the actual express bus) that runs the same route and only stops at the larger stops. The problem is that route 250S only depaurts every 15-20 minutes so that bus is always overcrowded...
To and from the Airport people take the metro instead as it's much quicker than the 5C...
Yeah but 5A used to be packed super tight everyday in rush hour. It's amazing what a difference better frequency makes.
And dreadful what a difference worse frequency makes.
The crowding of the 250S is a real problem. 250S is the only real viable transportation option that can bring me home, unless I want to spend an additional half hour touring Kongelunden in a 33 or go to the airport for a 35 and have a long walk home or a wait of a 33 or 250S at end of their lines. It really needs to run more often, especially at peak hours.
it’s unreal how much this is like malmö, our “BRT” line even shares the number 5
Wow! I'm sure this revolutionary new approach to public transit will totally transform our cities all over the world! So much innovation!
There’s nothing more expensive than low-budget, low-effort public transit.
I have seen 5 of them going the same way bunched together on a 200 meter road. FIVE!
I don't think BRT systems are for big cities. Hamburg is the best example here. It's a shame that many cities, especially German cities, tend to rely on buses and thus continue to have massive problems with particulate matter. In Hamburg, this situation is now being cemented with the U5 underground line, which makes me think of Switzerland. With this video you have impressively shown why BRT is nothing ^^ Thank you
Most German cities have trams or light rail. Hamburg is the only major city not to have such a network, because they foolishly demolished theirs in the late 70s.
@@bahnspotterEUWiesbaden removed its trams and does "like" to call itself the largest German city without urban rail (whether true or not). The local government proposed light rail a few years ago, but voters rejected it.
Kiel also ditched its trams, but has apparently decided to rebuilt basically its entire historical network (with some tweaks).
The largest place outside Hamburg without (almost) any trams is of course West Berlin, which removed its entire network and only recently got some minor extensions out of East Berlin.
@@n.bastians8633*sigh*don't get me started on the buses in Wiesbaden..😭
Big cities need small transit lines too. BRT should be the standard for any reasonably frequent (10min or less) bus line, of which there are plenty even in cities with massive passenger train networks.
@@hylje Do you know the Metrobus system in Hamburg? It was once planned as a BRT, but systematically it is more of a city bus. Are there any functioning BRT systems?
Steel rails laid between communities represent connection and commitment. As easily and quickly as this BUS was introduced, it can be withdrawn, and that's the end of that. I also note that the narrator acknowledged that buses get stuck in traffic. Trams and light rail have dedicated tracks and right-of-way.
Trams don't necessarily have dedicated right-of-ways. It common in older system to have car lanes over the rails. I think it's good to have busses and trams share the same space under certain conditions, if it improves bus lines : if you have a very good trunk tram lines but busses are slow and stuck in traffic, that's not a good transit system.
"As easily and quickly as this BUS was introduced, it can be withdrawn..." My country would probably call that financial prudence & "conservation of scarce resources"
@@constancel4211 If they are planned well they only eat 1, maybe 2 lanes from the road or get built on a paralel street pedestrianising it. In this case there is plenty of room to play around for a tram route to not conflict with traffic.
I recently flew from CPH to München. We didn’t land at a terminal, so we had to take a bus, and I was surprised to board a 5C with plain grey interior. I instinctively even went to check in with my rejsekort, but the terminals were obviously not there.
I looked around to see if anyone else was as surprised and intruiged as I was, but everyone else seemed to just be in airtravel mode - that is, slightly annoyed and stressed and bored.
Intresting must have been some kind of either replacement bus or something, ive never seen that on the 5C? Maybe you got a rail replacement bus for the metro or railway that also goes to the airport?
Bus Rapid Transit is actually a good thing for high use bus routes. But it is NOT a replacement for a tram or a train, it is simply supposed to be another tool that you can use to improve public transport in an area. But if they're trying to sell Bus Rapid Transit as a tram replacement, RUN, don't walk away, but RUN. Funny enough, the CityLine is what they call the BRT system in Spokane, Washington, US.....and it has all the same issues that you mention here, except I will give it credit for having level boarding.
in my city (and many in america) this would be an urbanism miracle
As a fellow MOTOLO student. This was great! As a former user of 5C. This was so true!
I know this is a gag, but this is actually 100% better than anything I have ever seen in the United Kingdom...
man en sjov video. ironien er så tyk som sirup. god første April
Tykkere end ozonlaget
Looking forward to seeing the performance numbers for the Light Rail for Copenhagen, it's not the same route as the 5C, but it should prove a point when comparing it to the infamous 300S line.
@Simon Andersen Do you know the amount of passengers 300S is/used to be taking?
Movia publishes their passenger numbers so should be easy to find. Very much looking forward to the new light rail
European transit and sarcasm is next level 😂
Feels like we've had these in Aalborg since forever.
You're falling behind Copenhagen 😜
Living in Aalborg and I like the Plusbus, because the city was rebuilt to accomodate it. For all of the more trafficked areas, there are dedicated bus lanes, with their own signal priorities.
Yep. Seems like Copenhagen loves hot air castles to keep everyone happy and proud of the achievements they made in the past 25 years.
The best concepts so far is the diesel busses with electrical train wire above to go electric that is not only the most green you can go but extremely systainable with the ability to go off rout to not be late.
Well done, Simon. You fooled me! I thought someone in Copenhagen (not you) actually thought a BRT was as good as a tram or light rail and you were proving they were idiots. My nearest city (Bristol, UK) tried to convince us their metrobus was a good alternative. IT'S A BUS, people!
good brt and guided busways are very good and can be as good as a tram (or better) if built correctly. For example, Birmingham Metro mixes with traffic in the city centre and opens it's doors at stations for about 5 seconds. It's frequency is also around 12 mins which is terrible. Metrobus seems alright and priority measures have actually been made, although, the 30 second guided busway on the P&R line is a bit useless.
This ‘BRT’ is just a standard for normal buses
Butt Regular Transit
In some parts this reminds me of bus 12 of Utrecht, also known as the sardine (can) line. They used to drive massive double articulated busses until the line was recently replaced by a brand new tram line.
A bus will never be a superior form of transport to a tram.
A tram is the worst form of transport because of people stupidity. A metro is far superior just saying
@@patfremate, they are not comparable. Totally different use cases, cacpity, costs and impacts. Light Rails have their place and so metros
Ridiculous to use the roadspace for storage of personal vehicles over making a bus priority lane.
Yeah but this is Copenhagen. Its still very carbrained compared to what you'd be lead to believe. Public transit especially has a jokingly low modal share here. Only 18% in the innermost municipality. For comparison Oslo has 40% and Stockholm has 47% and theirs are for the whole metropolitan area, including the suburbs. If Copenhagen included its suburbs we'd be looking much lower.
Transit sadly isnt a big priority here, and politicians deliberately want to make transit worse here since they see people taking transit for short urban trips below 10km in length as a threat to their goals of getting people to cycle for trips instead.
I think there is a bit of video on your irony
I think you might be right
If you really like this kind of BRT you should try Malmö Expressen and Helsingborgs Expressen 😅
Well yeah, this is Copenhagens attempt at copying Malmö Expressen. Malmö Expressen is what started this insanity wave of BRT promotion across Denmark which is still continuing to this day, with BRT being claimed as being just as good and in many cases even better than Light rail, often with completely false information.
But yeah this is Copenhagens attempt at copying Malmös homework and putting in even less effort. A proper light rail proposal existed around the same time but the city turned it down in favour of copying Malmö.
Great vid!
Here you tap to open the bus door, but they always open all the doors on the tram for some reason.
In DK there is another BRT in Aalborg with Plusbus.
5c må være et mareridt at tage til arbejde/skole. HADER at køre med den når jeg er i kbh..
Samme her, foretrækker til hver en tid 350s
i KNEW i recognized that bus from somewhere! Norreport has this bus, and i went on it as a timesaver to get to a bar i like going to every so often.
Future of transportation indeed. I love this so much
What in the world do they make buses out of which gives them that special jarring rattle? Cars, trucks, trains, trams, boats, coaches, nothing else makes that special hammering vibration.
I know it's a April's fools video, but I wish the busses in the part of Denmark I live in was anywhere as good as these busses
5:36 Are u sure about that?!?🤨
yes 100
What’s also funny: MAN designed a special, more modern front end for these BRT buses, completely different to all other MANs, as well as rear wheel covers to make the buses look more streamlined. Except… They took both of these things DIRECTLY from the Neoplan Centroliner Evolution, which was designed way back in 2002, by a competitor which MAN later purchased and cancelled (except for their coaches) 😢😂
That’s Volkswagen for you. (MAN/Scania are the trucks and buses made by VW)
@@sjokomelkI know, I’m a bus driver myself. Sadly the same fate has now also reached Scania, with the whole city bus production being cancelled just months after they released a brand new model…
Amazing! Nuuk's transit problems solved! 🙃
Most of the traffic corridors out of Copenhagen have a dedicated S-train or a metro-line, but Brønshøj Husum is a dead spot in the Copenhagen traffic planning.
Locals have been lobbying for a metro-line or a light-rail, but so far it hasn't happened. Perhaps Brønshøj will be next in line after the upcoming metro to Amager and Nordhavn.
Or perhaps the politicians are planning to wait for the current worker shortage to be over.
Omg you started at husum torv? I actually live within walking distance of husum torv.
Also fairly close to my home :-)
Was in Copenhagen just couple weeks ago and on the 5C bus quite a few times. Actually found the frequency quite impressive. But didn't know it has such a "BRT" story. No it is not BRT in any way but the service is far from bad. This is coming from someone who's used to the buses in Beijing, where there are 20-30 min interval everywhere and no timetable available.
LMAO, Simon! It reminds me of trams vs. buses in Bordeaux. Trams? Excellent. Buses? Not so much.
We did the exact same thing in Hamburg around the 70's with ripping of tram tracks and replacing them with puny busses. Today we suffer just from everything you mentioned in this video. Yet our brilliant politicians still talk about buliding the biggest bus network in europe and trams as being monsters of steel ("Stahlungetümer"). This is soo devestating...... 😭😭
I think he likes line 5C
I’d say reinvigorate light rail. It’s usually cheaper and unless there’s a short tunnelled section, you don’t have to go downstairs to board.
Your metro lines are so deep underground at points ur almost at the mantle although it’s a fab system
We would love these buses in Toronto ❤
looks a lot like something from early 2000
Tak for et godt grin Simon, det hele er desværre sandt :-)
Those are nice to have when total train stop requires lots of train busses 😊
Astounding, the city buses in the comparatively tiny city of jönköping are miles ahead!
Like sure, use a bus instead of a proper tram, i get it, but would it really kill the budget to use fancy buses? Having standing areas specifically designed for you to stand with your phone facing the window ought to buy a lot of goodwill for the line!
1:30 Er det bare mig, eller er bussen i den forkerte vejbane? Dvs. i den bane som modkørende/ankommende trafik bruger? 🤔🧐
Der er ensrettet i sløjfen og plads til 2 busser ved udkørsel fra sløjfen👍
I respect the Aalborg Plusbus. I hate how the government didn't want to give money to fund a tram but atleast the council tried to do the best they can to provide an improvement on the corridor.
At least they run on CNG (compressed natural gas) so they are slightly less polluting than a diesel bus, but definitely using BRT's are just municipalities way of procrastinating and not dealing with the problem instead of realizing light rail is the way to go long term. Denmark is really flat and perfect to build a great train network but we're not taking advantage of it like we should and losing money in the process and ending up with infrastructure in rough condition as a result, cars are just so expensive to build infrastructure for it's not worth it. Meanwhile Switzerland is extremely mountainous AND have the best trains in the world.
Eh, depends. Burning methane certainly produces less emissions than burning diesel, but methane is a very potent greenhouse gas, much more so than carbon dioxide even although not quite as long-lived in the atmosphere. So including leaks, it's quite possible that CNG is even more harmful than diesel in the "short term" of 20-30 years or so.
Oh man I love how your video oozes irony! Even if this would have been a "proper" BRT, the space requirements, road wear and tear, and vehicle longevity are absolutly subpar compared to any tram. "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.”
A tram can last 25 or more years, whereas a bus struggles to reach 8 years of service.
@@PsychicLord 25 years? Look at The Hague in The Netherlands: some trams reaching 40 years and still run.
Meanwhile the city rejected government funding for converting the northern part of this bus line to a Light rail route, with some politicians infamously comparing tram tracks to the Berlin wall. Theyve since restarted studies but now with BRT as the main option... I'd assume proper BRT but this corridor still needs much more. The 5C bus line is the 2nd busiest in all of Europe, behind only the Line 5 bus in Hamburg! The corridor needs an improvement and theres no incentive to build metro to the areas served by it due to the low density and lack of space to develop new highrise districts. So a light rail is really the only viable option.
@@JaapGinder I know, I deliberately underestimated.
@@drdewott9154Danish media and politicians for some reason sees trams as a bad thing so they want to convince the public that trams are bad and buses are better. Or its just grumpy motorists who can't handle having to take extra care on the roads.
Nu siger du "press the bonton" jeg plejer at slå på den, så åbner den i første forsøg. bare et trick fra en gammel Københavner. Jeg har også overvejet at bruge en hammer😮💨
They trolled us in Prague too. Everyone asked for a tram or a metro to the Airport. And they built a ... trolleys for a 25 meter long trolleybus. Actually it´s not that bad but this video reminded me the new trolleybuses soo much.
We actually use the very same bus type on Denmarks first "proper" BRT line, the Aalborg Plusbus. It opened in September last year and there's a video about it on the same channel. Part of the reason why Simon made this is because some BRT idiots were trying to use his video on the Plusbus to discredit trams and investments into trams over "The much superior BRT".
But you are getting a rail link to the airport. And honestly, the trolley line is very nice. High speeds, long busses, very short route
@@austriankangaroo The problem in Prague is that there's basically already a Metro line that gets you like 80% of the way to the airport, where you have to change to a bus (or vice versa if you're coming from the airport). It would be a lot smarter if they just extended the Metro line all the way instead of this patchwork solution.
@@Redstarka22 yeah but youll get a rail link and trains are nicer anyway with luggage
i for fun once took the same route as this bus on a bike(doing somewhat rushhour) while a friend was there on the 5C bus
i was there around 30-40min before my friend on the bus was there: i feel like biking / taking a bus or public transport should be around the same time it take to travel in a city atleast if around 5-10km long to travel yeah these busses kinda just sucks also too often too over crowded and honestly i avoid this bus at all cost whenever i can
Honestly a similar tale for a lot of Copenhagen busses. I've beat 350S from DTU to Nørreport on bike multiple times before
Removing the trams in Copenhagen and Aarhus was an incredibly short-sighted decision. While these new electric buses are slightly more comfortable than diesel buses, they're nowhere close to trams. What buggers me more is how they just increased the prices by 20%, while at the same time silently adjusted the metro's schedule to only run once every 6 minutes outside rush hours (it was previously 4 minutes). That when you already pay an extra fee for the pleasure of using the metro, which actually runs on time around 90% of the time, with frequent disruptions in rush hours.
Trams are terrible they have terrible uptime due to people that keep crashing into them in that way a metro is far better and faster I also prefer busses because stops can be more frequent and much simpler and cheaper. (The tram like system in Aarhus and Odense is a great example of this)
The curent problem is the following : more and more cities prefer to build BRT instead of tram, while tram is needed, Just to save money (like the Tzen 4 and the TVM in Paris suburb). BRT is good but it does not replace a train.
That was a "BRT"? When i was in Copenhagen like last week, i did not see a single "BRT"
It was marketed as such but as the video shows probably not quite :P
Not shure if it is an anomaly, but in my town in switzerland are many level-boarding stopps on the bus network
So it should be possible, though in dense areas trams are the better option for shure
It for sure is possible with busses, they just did not bother here and still tried to pass off the project as BRT
Is double decker, thing of the past? I think it was on 200 or 250s..
Yes double decker buses are unfortunately are the thing of the past, the last double decker ended in 2014 before they replace them with single deck buses.
Though double decker do exist as hop on-hop off tour buses.
I wish Copenhagen never removed double decker buses, they should had reduced the number of them instead of removing them altogether.
They used to have similar buses like that in London called bendy buses.
Mainland Europe has a lot of bendy buses
This is why the BRT Standard needs to be more widely adopted, and referenced in legislation.
Amazing video Simon!! You have really good videos, you channel is very interesting, so I'm suscribed. Greetings
Thank you very much!
I know this was meant as a joke but this is actually very much like a typical North American tram. A lot of them are stuck in much worse traffic. The Muni LRVs don't have level boarding outside of the tunnel. It really isn't about the mode -- it is what you do for it. The mode only really matters when it comes to capacity.
There is a difference ,the brt have 5 doors and the front door is single but the regular bus have 4 doors and the front door is double doors look at 2:30 which is the brt bus and 4:41 Yiu can see the difference
You see, since you can't see the rear wheels, it clearly has to be a tram
It has rear wheels, they're covered.
1:07 wait are you standing in the middle of the road
Standing on a predestian island on the crosswalk
The fact that there's no LRT or Metro connection from the airport through tårnby and Amagerbro to central Copenhagen is borderline criminal... whose idea was it to plan the metro to go by the beach and not the densely populated sundbyerene... I just need a word.
I assume this was meant to be on the 5C video i made, but the reason for putting the railway line though the beach was there was already a previos railway allignment making construction significantly less complex and cheaper.
Jeg ved virkelig ikke hvad der er sejt ved 5C. Jeg troede den var speciel indtil at jeg kørte med 2A. Et ny bogstav, og knapper ved dørrene. Jeg håber at hvis de modtager movia´s forslag om Hovedstadens BRT at det rent faktisk bliver BRT
God I love cars and being stuck in traffic and parking lots by the side of the road and car culture dominating our cities
Compare trying to text on a tram and on a bus.
Copenhagen made the mistake of getting rid of trams long ago. We still have them in Gothenburg and they do an excellent job.
I think the worst thing about BRT is that it’s far too easy and tempting for politicians to promise BRT (Bus Rapid Transit), but actually deliver BRT* (Basic Rebadged Transportation).
Did you coordinate thumbnails with Superalbs? LOL. In all seriousness, I went to Copenhagen last summer and used the 5C to get from the train station to my hotel by the river (the Hilton). I thought it was OK for a bus, but admittedly I only went a few stops. A tram would probably nicer.
Haha, we actually did'nt, we use the same rough style so it was just a bit of a funny co-incedence :p
I use this bus to commute every day. I hate the exterior door button with a passion
Here's something most people don't know though. When you press a stop button near a door, that door will open automatically when the bus stops
Oh my, 5C, the horror! I try to avoid it as much as I can, and yet I'm somehow forced to used it occasionally, since it's the only bus line on certain streets. It pretty much always welcomes me with up to 15 or more minutes of delay, disgusting seats and not enough space between the passengers' Netto shopping bags to fit atl least my tiny school bag that I'm carrying. I believe that any other local Copenhagen bus line (any with plain yellow buses without any letters in the name) does their job significantly better than the 5C.
To make a proper BRT system you need:
*Dedicated bus lanes
*Priority queue jumps in intersections
*Heavy isolation from other vehicles
*Bus stops who are functional and practical
*Extremly high frequency
It's not enough to buy long buses and call it a Rapid Transport System.
It's bullshit if not done right.
Aalborg did it right, Copenhagen did not.
If you can't afford a tram line and don't have any idea how to make a BRT line, simply wait for funds to make a tram line and in the meantime focus your attention on improving what you already have (queue jumps, partial bus lanes, better bus stops)
Totally not any sarcasm in this video at all...!
xD
In my city there are 6 BRT routes and they are pretty good.
Not saying BRT in general is bad, but this one is :P
To be fair - they don't call it a tram. The traffic company never said it was supposed to be like a tram. They've also never called it a BRT. They wanted to build a BRT, but were prevented from doing so by NIMBYs.
There's no false marketing here - Movia has been very clear in their communication that this is just a marginally fancier bus.
I disagree slightly. The marketing material referred to it as something along the lines of BRT-Like or BRT-Lite multiple times, suggesting it was at least close to a BRT. This was also how it was reported in media outlets like Ingeniøren, etc. However, this is/was an April Fools' video and it's not meant to be a proper deep dive into the 5C and its problems-just a bit of goof regarding what, in my opinion, is one of Copenhagen's most lacking transit corridors.
Would a tram actually work here? If there is no room for a dedicated bus line, then there is also no room for a dedicated tram line. So the trams would also get stuck in traffic.
As far as I can see the only real option is an underground metro - and some politicians have started discussing this again.
Physically, yes, a tram would work since it generally doesn’t take up more space than a bus. However, prioritizing space for transit versus cars is largely a political decision. Personally, I think there’s room for a tram or dedicated bus lanes, though this often comes at the cost of lanes or parking spaces for cars in many areas. For example, the busy section around Nørrebrogade sees about 3,500 cars but carries around 22,100 people on bikes, and buses along the corridor transport about 60,000 people daily. There isn’t enough space for both a dedicated tram/bus lane and a car lane, so the choices are either to keep cars mixed with transit-which slows down public transit but maintains car access-or to restrict the road to buses, trams, and bikes only, improving journey times at the expense of drivers.
Obviously, a metro doesn’t have these road space constraints, but it’s significantly more expensive than a bus or tram lane. So, again, it’s a policy question: is it worth sacrificing car space to make surface transit like buses or trams faster and save on metro construction costs? Should we invest in a metro, which is the least disruptive to cars and the surface but costs much more? Or should we stick with the current setup, where cars and transit share space-keeping things as they are but without really benefiting any mode of transport?
the city I'm studying in is implementing a system like this, BUT it's a city of 100k people, so imo it's a decent solution especially for a country that is not that affluent. but for copenhagen? yeah...
I see an excellent april 1 video.
The danger is of course how many years the roads will be dug up and risking businesses going out of business during that time. Here in Odense it seemed like forever that it was under construction and it comes no where near where we live.
I'm not sure it was worth it.
Recently I've been driving my car near these tracks and the lights were red for a looong time. It felt like 4 minutes or more waiting for the tram to come by. I should be more prepared to stop my engine near those areas. Or I will try to avoid these areas choosing a route that is 3 or 4 minutes longer.
The thing is, to build a bus that even comes closes to replicate what a tram can do in terms of reliability and capacity, you also need to dig up the road to build dedicated lanes. Look at Aalborg which took just about as long to construct as the tram in Odense and that's with a lot of the infrastructure already existing in Aalborgs case. I can assure you that there is no way you waited 4 minutes for the signal to turn green. The most common cycle time in Denmark is about 60-80 seconds with up towards 120 being used in busy intersections. 3-4 minutes is unheard of 😊
@@Simon-Andersen I'll double check the wait time near Bilka. The wait was way longer than 90 seconds. Of course something could have been wrong. I'm not exaggerating to be funny. Closer to 3 minutes. I'm not an impatient person and accept that the tram needs to be there, but the system wasn't moving smoothly. It was about 4 weeks. ago, so it wasn't near it's opening either.
I've always thought the best form of public transport is the Trolleybus. It has the mobility of a bus, meaning it can go around traffic, unlike a tram. It's also electric so it doesn't pollute the city and, since it uses a catenary instead of a battery, it doesn't pollute when it comes to the manufacture of batteries which is resource heavy and expensive. I've always been pro-trolleybus, idk why we stopped using them in the developed nations.
Also, great video with that typical Danish irony that always takes me a while to get 😂😂😂
The majority of the pollution from buses comes from their rubber tyres, not from their exhausts. This is exponentially true for heavy vehicles such as buses and trucks.
@@Redstarka22 I didn't say it was perfect, but I think it's the best option. Only the subway is superior but it's very expensive to build.
@@AFVEH a subway, a tram, and a trolleybus all serve completely different needs and are not interchangeable. Trolleybuses aren't scalable, trams aren't flexible, and subways aren't cheap.
@@Redstarka22 Trolleybuses are less scalable than regular buses but still really scalable. I'm not saying it's flawless, but it's the best we have for everyday public transport in urbanized areas. It's the most balance option amongst all those categories you stated.
@@Redstarka22 It feels like you just want to argue for the sake of it. 🤣🤣🤣
I forgot what day it was.
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Good one man, good one, totally got me.
I didn’t detect any hint of sarcasm especially for an April 1st release date.