What if Rykard Consumed Godwyn?
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How did you miss Godwyn's physical body hanging in Deep Root from the beast where Fi is?
I have thought about that theory some time ago too. How dare you steal my idea and even capitalize on it in such a way???
It's definitely not true
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@@homelander2243 it tells you in game where his body is. It's the twisted up mess that fia sits in front of. There's a difference between reading between the lines and ignoring explicit information that's given to you to make something up for yourself
1. Godwyn's body was not eaten. Its literally the misshapen corpse you find in Deeproot depths. 2. The Gelmir Knight ghost who insists on you killing Rykard isn't working for him as a ploy to get you to be devoured, he genuinely wants you to kill him. The Gelmir Knights followed Rykard even when he commited blasphemy ( striving against the Erdtree and Golden Order) but stopped following him once his ambitions just became pure greed. You get a "My Thanks" emote from the Gelmir Knight ghost after you defeat Rykard.
And without the serpent slaying blade, the fight would have been far harder. You could see how many powerful tarnished would have been easily fed to him without it.
I wrote that in my original comment, but maybe I can ask you: Why should there be two identical faces of godwin with three eyes? One under stormveil and one under leyndell or under the golden tree, the first head torn out(!) and the second with a giant fish tail and a ring on a finger!? I don't want to make up a new story, I like vaati's lore like anybody else, but even he says not all is written in stone what he reported... And I'm not even sure if marika/radagon can be a god, because the shardbearer where also named demi-gods and marika is from the land of the numen, she was a tarnished, only after the eldenbeast it says "god slayed!" because it's the earthly manifastation of the greater will! And the last part is also why I'm in part wrong, because marika could be, to compare like jesus, a god, a holy trinity....
@@z-a-p-h-k-i-e-l3290 Absolutely! If you look at what exactly happens, you see that Marika's blonde hair get red, so we fight against Radagon. If defeated the Eldenbeast appears and grabs the corpse and press it down into the darkness! And as the Beast draws his hand back up the corpse has mutated into a sword, and that's made from a body! But it could also be Marika's red sword, you can see, as she hangs with her hands locked... (sorry for my english) Maybe some exact answers will follow with a DLC or even a successor!? Even though Fromsoft never really made a story-successor, but the world is changing all the time...
Can we talk about how the face looks like the same shape as Rykards on the side of the snake? Why is no one acknowledging this? That thing definitely didn’t just grow out of a humanoid corpse alone. It has almost zero resemblance to what we where shown Godwyn looks like. To add this is further confirmed by that SAME corpse you just mentioned. Why is there what looks to be part of a snake with Godwyn?
@@keebler1280 either way, nothing explains why he looks like what he does. Especially the face part being kinda like Rykards
You might be onto something with the God-Devouring Serpent eating Godwyn, but i really think it is Rykard being eaten by the snake in that picture, we can see the painting of Rykard in the Volcano Manor behind Tanith and they look the same person.
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I think thats Rykard too
Was just going to say the same, pretty sure that’s Rykard; also, The Takers Cameo Talisman has Rykards image engraved upon it, and bears a striking resemblance to the guy being eaten by a snake
It’s possible that the serpent ate Goldwyn but It is definitely rykard in the picture. Besides the similarities in appearance to the paintings at volcano manor you can see that the persons eyes are slightly open in the painting. The eyes in the painting are golden like rykards while godwyns eyes in the cut scene are blueish.
… we can see Godwyn’s body. It is not devoured. His physical corpse is in Deeproot Depths (evidenced by aria laying with him to repair the rune of death), and the visage in Dtormveil is an artifact of the spread of death root throughout the roots of the red tree, corrupting it.
the godwyn theory is possible but I believe the reason his corpse has the mermaid tail thing is because it's being affected by the crucible as deep root depths is where the original tree and crucible still has affect over the environment
The reason you find two faces representing Godwyn is that his body is undead and is slowly corrupting the Great Tree from its roots where he has been burried, in the Deeproot depths. This also why you find some of the deathroots in catacombs, near the Erdtree's roots.
The scaly husk in the depths I made it out to be fish scales. U can even see the tail fin at the end. I also like to believe in the intro that is indeed rykard And think the snake and rykard were eating each other to the point they were one because as u can see when we beat rykard and happen to go back he is rejuvenating while tanith is eating the corpse so she too can be one with rykard and devour gods together so that they can all be one being. This a good theory tho and there are no wrong answers when it comes to shit like this plus these are fun videos to watch
Just wanted to say this, if you look at the Gelmir Knight helmet, it says "Its crest of red feathers symbolizes Rykard's pedigree as Lord Radagon's son", this has probably been said but, Godwyn's body is found in the deeproot depths, and is confirmed to be his body, because of Fia's questline and the lich dragon bossfight, now I do want to say. Ingame it is said that the opening trailer art, is an artist's depiction of the events in the lands between, and is the same mystery artist that made the paintings scattered around the lands between.
this made me think on the brothers Ranni, Radahn and Rykard, you see paintings or Radahn in Rykards castle and one thing I never understood was why Radahn was "stopping the stars", but they say the fate of Ranni is or her house is tied to the stars, maybe since Ranni did not want to be an empyrean Radahn actually held the stars for her, now the stars make us able to get to Nokron and progress her quest but maybe before she killed her body her destiny was a different one, become a god maybe and her siblings helped her avoid it
Radahn was loyal to the Golden Order. We can only speculate as to the reason he was holding back the stars. I'd posit the theory that because of his loyalty to the Golden Order, his adulation of his father Radagon, and his emulation of Godfey that he was holding back the stars to put a stop to Fate and the bringing about of an age of the Moon. He was the child of two different worlds. The Golden Order on one side and the Moon and stars on the other but we know through item descriptions that he took after his Father and emulated the powerful warrior Godfrey. Its true that he also dabbled in sorcery which he learned in Selia but its obvious where his loyalties lied. I think that its because his upbringing as Carian Royalty that Radahn understood full well that fate was tied to stars and because of this he stopped them in place in order to artificially preserve the Golden Order.
Alternatively he could've put a stop to the stars to hold back some theoretical second Astel-like calamity but seeing as how a few seconds after we kill him the path to Nokron is opened and Ranni is allowed to once again pursue her fate I'm leaning towards the first theory.
@@kalzero3319 the only thing that makes no sense to me is I'm pretty sure the greater will sent astel to destroy nekron and the nox... witch the fallen star beasts come from the fallen stars that radahn held back.... witch ate clear baby versions of astel... I specifically remember a item description or somthing that radahn had known somthing no one else did and thats why he held the stars back.
@@kalzero3319 also the fact that radahn has straight up war with morgott and lindell that is also straight up golden order and Godfrey connected.
Idea for another theory for you - was Rykard a fire prelate before he became “Praetor”? He seems to have a connection to fire and fire sorceries/incantations with us finding a few magma sorceries around the volcano manor, the enemies having magma weapons, and him just living in a damn volcano.
Also this would’ve started him down the path of blasphemy by learning of the fell god/giant fire incantations, which some of upon casting get you banished since they’re forbidden. Just a thought!
Bro this is my first souls game and I gotta say I love the lore man with such a passion and I love to see your videos bro, great job and never stop dude!
Tanith’s name actually means serpent lady which is also really intersting
Pictures of Rykard all over Volcano Manor well deeper into the Dungeon/manor
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nah but seriously thanks for this
I do think that image is Rykard. His hair color still aligns with your theory and he is the one talking. When you look at the face on the ground after the battle if you flip the image it looks identical to the painting of the guy being consumed by the serpent. wonderful video!
Godwyn has fish tail and clam head . His other face in stormveil castle resembles an octopus . This is mainly due the association with water and the land of the dead - I
Rykard is so mysterious I can’t wait to see what happens with his character!
Godwyn is the prince of death, that giant fish snake under the erdtree, the thing that Fia is resting against at the end of her quest. After godwyn was killed his body was taken to the roots of erdtree to be reborn, like all other people who die, but since his soul died but not his body he became the prince of death and is the direct cause of the deathroot. You're taking the paintings at the beginning to literally. For example the one wear morgott is fighting radahn, they're almost the same size, but we know this isn't true. That's because the artist, probably had a biased against radahn sincenhe lost, and was the one to seige the captial. The paints in the beginning are just an artists rendition of these major events they haven't seen, it's really cool world building!
the funky mermaid tail is actually a part of Godwyn's wierd corrupted body
Hearing RuneScape music to Elden Ring always gives me the image of having a desperate fight for your live against one of the bosses, only to leave the room and see like 20 people advertising the buying of RuneScape GFs for 300k GP
Never thought that osrs music would fit so well in elden ring lore
I like to think that the god devouring serpent was just a normal snake and rykard just went insane and the god devouring serpent just got a massive power boost from the great rune. This would explain the size of the snake. Since rykard’s mind was much more powerful than the serpent’s he took over and BECAME the serpent. There probably some item description that disproves this, but anyways that’s just a theory a ga-
Nah, I fundamentally disagree with your premise. We see Godwyns body, we see pictures of Rykard and Godwyn, showing the former is the one being eaten, not the later, and the hair could just be decayed or something. This is one of those Occam's Razor moments.
I have to wonder if Rykard's motivation all along might have been jealousy that he was not an Empyrean, like his sister, and despite all his work for the Golden Order, he would never even be considered for the next to ascend to godhood. His greatest accomplishment could only ever be to become a Lord, at best. And that's why he sought out a loophole, eventually finding that by making himself part of the serpent, he could also devour and become one with other gods, finally reaching beyond the limits of his half-mortal birth
This could also explain his interest in aiding Ranni on the Night of Black Knives. He not only removed two of the other demigods, who he likely saw as competition, but got himself one step closer to consuming Marika when the day came that he was ready to attempt it
If only his ambition hadn't been overcome by his gluttonous desire to just consume more and more Tarnished without ever actually making an attempt at the end goal he promised his people
Morgott is most worthy of bein elden lord he never knew love was all alone doin his duty while seeking his purpose to the very end the most loyal even tho he was betrayed since birth (Godfrey doesn’t count)
@@cloudy5115 He's definitely the most loyal! In fact, I think in a very Greek tragedy way, loyalty might be Morgott's greatest fault
Despite how horribly he was treated, he refuses to see the flaws in the Golden Order and blames all the problems in the world on the Tarnished and the other demigods. And despite being rejected by the Erdtree once again, he not only refuses to consider burning the thorns to get inside, he gives up his life to protect a door that doesn't even open
@@aranthur exactly I think his story by far must be most saddest or Godfrey to finally see his son who’s already to know how lonely he’s been and treated yet still was loyal out of all their families to the very end which he relates to the most I believe them both by far got the most tragic story imo
Very interesting, that would make sense why the serpent grew so large so fast. Devouring a TWO demigods would definitely boost it's strength/size far greater than a tarnished warrior would....that is, until you come along
Rykard as black hair ( grey ) like is mother look at the painting in volcano manor. U can notice it when u're figthing him in his serpent form look around his face the color of the scale the're dark grey distinct of the color of his face and the rest of the serpent.
I wished that we would have the choice to join the serpent king as family so we can devour the gods
This game has been out for about 5 months now, and I haven't seen any videos about why there's a blood stain at the very beginning of the game near a dead maiden and when you check out the the bloodstain it's a phantom of Melania dying, which makes me wonder was this her maiden or ours???
there are literally pictures of rykard in volcano manor and he has red hair
That thumbnail is sick!
That actually IS Rykard in the photo, he has a red beard. The white hairs are likely from age or the like, not to mention we never see Rennalla's hair. She could be blonde, hor mayber Rykard has a few white hairs. I forgot my source on this, but I do recall some other lore video theorizing that the slides in that section are just artisitc depictions of what happened by an artist in the lands between, drawing based on tales of the shattering and the night of black knives, who hasn't actually seen the events unfold before them. Think like a historical painting made in modern day.
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I'd like to know what would happen if the God devourer went to lordran or dragnlaic or even or even myanman. The gods it could find then consume in these lands would allow it to become something truly horrific and probably feminine to some degree.
Anyone else notice that the "remains of the countless heroes" present on the Blasphemous Blade are represented by little two-fingered hands, symbolizing that they were doing what the Greater Will commanded, while after Rykard is killed, the appendages coming out of his head are 3-fingered? In my opinion this shows us that even though in his pride he thought he was blazing his own path, the chaos he created in the godly family was furthering the will of the three fingers all along.
The cinematic being eaten is clearly Rykard, his portrait is identical to the face being eaten.
Ranni has black hair, like her mother. The clones in the Renalla room are all copies of Ranni. They look like she did when she had her birth body.
I’ve always wondered what’s with all those dead finger crones in Lyndell on the bridge to the queens bed chamber?
damn you're better than me bro, so glad there's no spiders in elden ring lol
Rykard's Knights also had the red plume, so I assume that at one point in Rykard's younger years, he, too, had red hair. I just think the painting's from when Rykard aged, but possibly couldn't die. I actually theorize that Rykard and Radahn are twins.
In honesty, I think of the giant God's eye with the eight dots had something to do with the "prophecy" that the Golden Order didn't like. When you think about it, twins ran rampant in the family: Mohg and Margot, Miquella and Malenia, then if correct, Rykard and Radahn. The only two who would have no equal would be Ranni and Godwyn, the forebearers of the death curse.
We see tha rykard probably have rennalas hair that may be blonde from a portrait of rykard at vulcano manor.
(On the wall behind his wife)
Nah Godwyns body is in the deep root depths and the face at the bottom of stormvail is a husk of his misshapen face that has spread from the godwyns corpse at the root of the erdtree
ill just leave here some ramblings about my thougts on rykard
the serpent is probably thematicaly similar to ouroboros, it feeds on others to gain strength but is fed upon by others to gain a new body after defeat, thats what tanith is doing, becoming the new snake, thats why a snake never dies, it just sheds its skin
You know its a good day when Jake posts a vid! ;)
I'm glad you overcame your fobias enough to make this.❤️
3:10 how do you explain real eyes in godwyn face husk?
thank you so much for making this even despite your phobia
that is rykard, there are photos of him in certain places in game, the snake is 100% eating rykards head in that depicton
I sorta wish that godwyn had a fight or came back with rykard cause godwyn did kill one of the biggest dragons in elden ring
Having 10 IQ I didn't realize the spear is the intended way of defeating Rykard.
So with my colossal grafted sword and flamedrake talisman +2 I went for it. After 20 deaths I FINALLY beat the fucker while being at one hit.
We can see a portrait of Rykard in the manor, but due to the quality of the painting it's difficult to see if it was blonde or a red hair. But judging from the values of the hair, we can see that it is a fair one, deducing it to him being possibly of blonde.
cant wait for the dlc that can come off of rykard being eaten by his follower
When you killed rykard did it feel good or bad based on the fact that you are scared of snakes
I don't think he devoured Godwyn, I think the man in the beginning cinematic is just one of his relatives/descendents like Godrick.
I’m on ng+5 are you only able to get one serpent hunter spear? Per character
I feel bad for serpent honestly, was used as a tool for the bugger
That doesn’t look like strands of hair to me, it looks sorta... runey
yet again, ranni is crazy Dave
I highly doubt his face is NOT the one in the intro art. It looks very similar to the in-game model, and he has a very “praetor-esque” if you ask me.
I do like everything else tho, makes sense he helped Ranni as you mention.
for me i think that if Rykard consumed Godwyns body he would be inflicted with deathblight like how we see his mangled corpse in the deeproot depths and thus he would either become one who lives in death or just dead
I don’t think that Godwyn was partially eaten by the God Serpent. Mainly because if he did he would have partial access to Rune of Death and could possibly have death blight magic in combination to primordial fire when we fight him. He only ever uses primordial fire and poison effects on us in combat.
But snakes are adorable! I hate how they're represented in games. They get a bad rap when they just want to be left alone. Unless they're a pet snake. Then they're down to chill. Ball Pythons are call Royal pythons because they were so chill royalty wore them like jewelry while the snake was still alive. They just chilled on their shoulders.
Godwyn's body is shown to us malformed during Fia's questline. His soul died but not his body.
Yeah I think that Godwyn theory is off base. As well, even I think you awesome for getting through your phobia, I believe you didn't characterize Rykard well enough. Rykard was said to be quite noble at a time, speaking out against the golden order and especially their hypocrisy. People at first were loyal to him because he spoke up for those on the fringes. It's just that power corrupted him like it does so many others, leading him to feed himself to become the immortal serpent. But he was cool at one point
That was Rykard being eaten by the serpent
0:34 another way is their names, *G* odrick and *M* orggot are kids of *G* odfrey and *M* arika, *M* alenia is the kid of *M* arika and Radagon, and *R* anni and *R* ykard are kids of *R* adagon and *R* ennala, I don't think it's relevant to the theory, I thought it was a cool detail
Why is Godwin’s face so big and it looks like that
So is the serpent meant to be Elden rings Aldrich
Believe it or not, rykard, ranni, and rennala's mother was rennala
There are pictures of Rykard in Vulkan. End.
I have a fear of snakes too. All reptiles actually
What if rykard consumed godwyn? The answer is simple, together they would devour the very gohhhhh...
U obviously dont get Godwyn's story or Rykards.
But Godwyn has a fish tail, and fish scales not snake scales. The scales are different enough to tell that they come from a more aquatic source and a snake.
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5:10 fuck yea
If rykard ate godwyn i think he’d just die
Um no... Godwyn was a lifeless corpse, the serpent wouldn't have even taken notice of his body. Godwyn's scales are also not snake scales, he has the lower "body," of a fish.
Y'all gotta appreciate what he does for us. Jake went through some of his biggest fears for this video and we should really appreciate him for that. Keep up the great content, I love ur vids!
I like this video but... I don't agree with you for the Godwyn case. Godwyn's corpse can't have been devoured just after the night of the black knives :
D took his death mark that is only localised on the original corpse (like Ranni). The body we found deep underground is his original body. I don't know if the man we see is Rykard, but it's not Godwyn for sure
You better give Joy 50k tummy rubs once you get to 50k subs >:D
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ther is a pic with rycard
he have wite hair
Wait, is Rykard’s VA Emperor Palpatine?
I thought you could find Godwyn's body mangled into a tree or something...? *watches part referring to Godwyn's face* ... no, that's not what I meant either... and how do we know that's Godwyn?... Fun theory
It is rykard at the beginning of the video he does have blonde hair and not red just look at his face
But Godwin’s dead body is right there with Fia soooo
no rykard doesn't eat Godwyn. I don't see it
This was hard to watch. So many misinformation in that godwyn part.
Who is the npc at 4:48? Never seen him before
Euh I never saw him but if I remember correctly you can see him in volcano manor in all the little rooms next to Lady Tanith and you can see him after you've done the 1st or 2nd quest that you were given by the Volcano manor
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Uh Jake, that's not what traphouse means. 😂
compare that photo to those of rykard.
its rykard
Godwyn's deformed body rests in the deep-root depths - that was the whole point of Fia's quest to revive him.... so No, Godwyn wasn't devoured by the god serpent Eiglay.
He explained it, the face is so flat and there's 2 of them because it is Eiglay's shed skin
@@ghostobiwankenobi6324 Eiglay couldn’t have eaten Godwyn because Godwyn’s body is still alive. It’s so deformed because he’s become deathblight itself and is the source of all undead. The face in stormveil is likely another example of his image spreading throughout the world, you can see his eyes on roots all over the Lands Between.
@@ghostobiwankenobi6324 nah bruh, incorrect.
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I'm pretty sure that the face in the opening cinematic is actually Rykard getting eaten by the god devouring serpent because we actually see a portrait of Rykard in Volcano Manor like in 5:54 in the video. Plus Godwyn doesn't really look like that face in the opening cinematic since he has long blonde hair and no beard but overall your video was really good and keep up the good content!
Including Godwyn being in the Deep Root Depths as well. His huge dead body of course but still.
I assumed Rykard had white hair cause he just got old lol, same with Morggot and Godrick, they may be Demigods, but they still age (slowly)
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plus in the opening scene you can actually see rykards fingers that is filled with rings
And they have the same yellow eyes
Proud of you for getting over your fear for us ✨
I don't agree with your theory about Godwyn being eaten by the snake but I do like the theory of Rykard taking the fall for Ranni/being involved in the Night of the Black Knives. I missed that description about Ranni rewarding him.
I think perhaps that instead of luring Godwyn, Rykard might have been the one to actually steal the rune of death for Ranni as she gives him the reward that directly offers him protection should Maliketh come looking for him. I know Ranni says she stole it but maybe she meant she orchestrated it but didn't actually do it herself. Great video's man. Keep them coming!
I agree
Ranni could have just as easily stolen it. I think Rykard, being a genius, helped Ranni to figure out what she needed to do to rid herself of the GW's influence. He is her older brother, after all.
The guy in the cutscene before the game is definitely rykard, there are paintings of him in the manor before being eaten, he looks exactly like that
It's also possible Rykard's hair color faded to a dirty blondish/greyish hue as he aged. People's hair can turn grey sometimes pretty early on. At the same time, though, Rykard DID somehow help Ranni in her quest to turn against the Greater Will, as they both despised it (for different reasons) and perhaps based on the fact that Rykard is her older brother. What he did exactly, we don't know. Maybe he was the one who finally pushed Ranni over the edge, corrupting her mind but also giving her insight into a way to oppose the GW. She obviously never liked the GW, though, because of the treatment her mother received - basically left to an imprisoned Rennala after Radagon decided to up and leave and join his other half.
Uhh you are way off on the Godwynn stuff. Like shockingly off. The body we see in the roots is Godwyns corpse. Godwyn wasnt eaten by the god devouring serpent.The one we see under the castle is a bit more complicated but it's thought to be by most an infected Erdtree root. You can see similar faces on the postule charm and giant crabs. His living mutated corpse has infected the erdtree and is spreading like a pathogen in the Lands Between. What do you think deathroot is? He died in soul not body just like Ranni died in body not soul. I can go into a hell of a lot more detail if needed but you should look into this a bit more...
Could all be connected for all we know. Any one of our theories could be right or way off. In the end, not every theory is “wrong” because it’s different from yours.
@@agtjake Yes but not everything is just theory. There are mountains of dialogue and lore that directly contradict this. May I suggest talking to the finger reader outside the area where you fight Fotisax the Lichdragon. The lore community has been putting the pieces together for awhile now. Maybe take a look at some posts/videos that touch on Godwyn, those who live in death, and the deathroot.
@@agtjake Hell, even the wormface enemies are very likely some how connected to Godwyn's living corpse spreading its contamination. His assassination and the subsequent contamination of the cycle of death is what gave rise to Those Who Live In Death. Fia is laying with his corpse(Not his shed skin) because that's what deathbed companions do. They lay with corpses, get pregnant, and rebirth the dead into new life. It's the whole point of her questline. Like I said I'm not trying to be an asshole I'm just pointing out that the Godwyn stuff in your video is factually incorrect. It's a fun theory but ultimately untrue. Thanks for making the video though. Without speculation discovering lore wouldn't be fun.
@@agtjake in general I agree with you, in this case there is so much that tells us Godwyns body infected the Erdtree. Imo you added some very interesting details and even if Ryckard didn't devour Godwyn, there is still a connection. It seems like there were many rebells against the Golden Order and it seems logical that Ranni somehow worked with him up to the point where he goes snake mode and completely insane.
@@agtjake its wrong
Rykard speaks like he's in Twin Peaks. His character design, the lore, the castle, his name scream Dracula/Alucard.