Yep, that's it. Parents conspire to stop girls becoming Brainiacs. It's actually part of an intergalactic conspiracy to inconvenience middle-class American women.
At 3:45 the woman's comment ("...there's no data to show that...") concerning men being more "hard-wired" to mathematics actually commits a serious intellectual faux pas with that statement. In particular, a scientific faux pas. Reality has a presence despite data; databases get made to note reality. The core of science is to note the realities of physical processes and then present the data of what is observed. One doesn't create a data field and then find the realities to fit it -- as the woman clearly implies. That actually is a serious misstatement on her part -- and antithetical to the mission of discoveries required of science.
no it doesn't...i'm a male feminist. people just misconstrue what feminism is about. just like i'm also not guilty about being white yet I can recognize my privilege. if you disagree on the male privilege point that's fair, but feminists aren't exactly terrorizing you let's be real
It won't get money, health, employment, stave off disease. If being white or male won't get you any privileges than how is there white or male privilege. Make some kind of sense. Please.
imamook being white doesn't "give" you these things but it allows us to succeed in a system by having our efforts rewarded. we don't face the same barriers as people of colour and women another example: straight privilege. being straight won't get you a girlfriend or money or happiness, but not having to deal with coming out, parent's rejection, no public education on the topic, etc is a privilege. the system is built for straight people (media, government, etc). only recently can gay people be successful and open about it
alltsem thank you. A voice of reason and bravery in this sea of hate. All these sexist and misogynists and feminist bashers, male and female are stupid and hateful
alltsem you said that so eloquently. People have no imagination to try and imagine the lives of others. They don't see the privilege because it's normal. Culture is patriarchal.
There are two great experiments over the last century: chess, and bridge. Both cost nothing to play, and have been played by tens of millions of men and women. The Soviet Union in particular made chess its national pastime, using chess to develop competitive, excellent minds. Bridge was the informal national pastime of US women for at least half a century. Nonetheless it is the very rare woman who can even begin to compete with men at the topmost level. It is typical to find at most one woman in the top 100 chess players in the world. The Bermuda Bowl, in the open competition, it is the rare team that has even one woman playing on it. This century long experiment shows conclusively that men and women have different brains. Nothing else could account for it. .
One possible cause for low high school graduation and college attendance rates for boys is that there are too many distractions in low income areas. When a boy is always pressured to develop survival skills on the street because he doesn't live in the protected environment of a suburban neighborhood, he has less energy & interest in school studies. I'd also encourage more studies to determine what is innate & what is socially constructed with gender.
I was talking about the educational disparity at all levels with my dad two days ago. When I told him stats about suicide in the U.S. he was dumbfounded. I myself only started learning about the hugely disproportionate amount of male suicide just last year.
Hmm ... I am sensing a kind of singular track for Christina Hoff. The sciences are special. If one is truly driven by it, it has a kind of self-reinforcing quality to it. So the refrain of boy's education is being compromised which is hurting their preparedness for science, is just not going to fly. Scientists go into science because of the love of it; it doesn't much matter what they teachers say or do. Her "women don't like science" is kind of the default theory that I've always gone with. But it is really just a gut feel, and I get the sense it is with Hoff as well. What I would ask, then, is why have there not been studies that can back thus up?
She's not saying that. There might be proof that biological differences might be a reason. But she said that it's more likely that it's the interests and passion that creates this difference.
Again, there are quite a handful of female scientists out there. And women DO have the rights and opportunities to be scientists. It's their CHOICE. So once again, just happens to be that more men are interested in that field of study than women.
i really have to disagree you guys. biology does not shape our interests the way we like to think. it's kinda like saying asians are biologically better at math. it's all cultural! the psychologist carol dweck explains this really well
No they don't lol...where did you hear that? Trans women have a Y chromosome but that doesn't make them oppressors. Feminists are all about biology not dictating destiny
I don't understand how people can say there is a lack of female scientists. I have taught college chemistry for over 20 years and I rarely have a male majority class. I have graduated far more female chemists than male. I think the elitist arrogance that says that research professors at the top schools are the only 'real scientists' is to blame.
I think Dr. Barnett makes some good points about how upbringing might affect girls' career choices. She may be right about that. However, that's not the relevant issue. Lately feminists have been assaulting the STEM community by accusing them of sexism. That's honestly the whole reason they're debating the question in the first place. You can't backtrack and say 'well maybe the problem really isn't sexist professors and scientists, but we do raise girls in a biased way'. Either there's sexism in science or not.
Christina Hoff Sommers is wonderful!! For her high integrity, excellent reasoning ability, and courage to go against the wrongs and injustices of radical feminism for over 20 years... should get a NOBEL PRIZE!! Don't get me wrong. I declared myself a feminist in the 1970s -- an EQUITY feminist as is Sommers. The feminist movement has done much good which I appreciate! But unfortunately the movement has morphed in large part into a sort of abomination.
@MastaHack2 Wrong people do not like science because they dont see an initial benefit from it therefore judge it as worthless.If your going to be an engineer why would you need to take a biology class?
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I'm sill not clear on the "discrimination" angle... because parents don't encourage their female 9 year olds to become astronauts enough?
Yep, that's it. Parents conspire to stop girls becoming Brainiacs. It's actually part of an intergalactic conspiracy to inconvenience middle-class American women.
At 3:45 the woman's comment ("...there's no data to show that...") concerning men being more "hard-wired" to mathematics actually commits a serious intellectual faux pas with that statement. In particular, a scientific faux pas. Reality has a presence despite data; databases get made to note reality.
The core of science is to note the realities of physical processes and then present the data of what is observed. One doesn't create a data field and then find the realities to fit it -- as the woman clearly implies.
That actually is a serious misstatement on her part -- and antithetical to the mission of discoveries required of science.
A big part of why feminism is a problem it's made it some how bad to be a male, which smacks of 1930's germany.
no it doesn't...i'm a male feminist. people just misconstrue what feminism is about. just like i'm also not guilty about being white yet I can recognize my privilege. if you disagree on the male privilege point that's fair, but feminists aren't exactly terrorizing you let's be real
It won't get money, health, employment, stave off disease. If being white or male won't get you any privileges than how is there white or male privilege. Make some kind of sense. Please.
imamook being white doesn't "give" you these things but it allows us to succeed in a system by having our efforts rewarded. we don't face the same barriers as people of colour and women
another example: straight privilege. being straight won't get you a girlfriend or money or happiness, but not having to deal with coming out, parent's rejection, no public education on the topic, etc is a privilege. the system is built for straight people (media, government, etc). only recently can gay people be successful and open about it
alltsem thank you. A voice of reason and bravery in this sea of hate. All these sexist and misogynists and feminist bashers, male and female are stupid and hateful
alltsem you said that so eloquently. People have no imagination to try and imagine the lives of others. They don't see the privilege because it's normal. Culture is patriarchal.
there arent more female scientists cause they arent that dorky
There are two great experiments over the last century: chess, and bridge. Both cost nothing to play, and have been played by tens of millions of men and women. The Soviet Union in particular made chess its national pastime, using chess to develop competitive, excellent minds. Bridge was the informal national pastime of US women for at least half a century. Nonetheless it is the very rare woman who can even begin to compete with men at the topmost level. It is typical to find at most one woman in the top 100 chess players in the world. The Bermuda Bowl, in the open competition, it is the rare team that has even one woman playing on it. This century long experiment shows conclusively that men and women have different brains. Nothing else could account for it. .
I know, just like sport we can have male and female divisions!
One possible cause for low high school graduation and college attendance rates for boys is that there are too many distractions in low income areas. When a boy is always pressured to develop survival skills on the street because he doesn't live in the protected environment of a suburban neighborhood, he has less energy & interest in school studies. I'd also encourage more studies to determine what is innate & what is socially constructed with gender.
I was talking about the educational disparity at all levels with my dad two days ago. When I told him stats about suicide in the U.S. he was dumbfounded. I myself only started learning about the hugely disproportionate amount of male suicide just last year.
i think we burned them all,.....
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Hmm ... I am sensing a kind of singular track for Christina Hoff.
The sciences are special. If one is truly driven by it, it has a kind of self-reinforcing quality to it. So the refrain of boy's education is being compromised which is hurting their preparedness for science, is just not going to fly. Scientists go into science because of the love of it; it doesn't much matter what they teachers say or do.
Her "women don't like science" is kind of the default theory that I've always gone with. But it is really just a gut feel, and I get the sense it is with Hoff as well. What I would ask, then, is why have there not been studies that can back thus up?
She's not saying that. There might be proof that biological differences might be a reason. But she said that it's more likely that it's the interests and passion that creates this difference.
Natasel Almost certainly biology.
Again, there are quite a handful of female scientists out there. And women DO have the rights and opportunities to be scientists. It's their CHOICE. So once again, just happens to be that more men are interested in that field of study than women.
i really have to disagree you guys. biology does not shape our interests the way we like to think. it's kinda like saying asians are biologically better at math. it's all cultural! the psychologist carol dweck explains this really well
No they don't lol...where did you hear that? Trans women have a Y chromosome but that doesn't make them oppressors. Feminists are all about biology not dictating destiny
This is most clean fact base argument about gender I have ever seen.
Please don't be "Men oppressed us!" bs argument...
why do we need reasons ,
im glad i have three female teachers who all taught science class at my high school i think the're hot and very beautiful too :)
for becoming a scientist apart from intelligence and knowledge one also must be brave, self-confident and though which most girls does not.
I don't understand how people can say there is a lack of female scientists. I have taught college chemistry for over 20 years and I rarely have a male majority class. I have graduated far more female chemists than male. I think the elitist arrogance that says that research professors at the top schools are the only 'real scientists' is to blame.
Because of the patriarchy!!!!!!!! just kidding.
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I think Dr. Barnett makes some good points about how upbringing might affect girls' career choices. She may be right about that. However, that's not the relevant issue. Lately feminists have been assaulting the STEM community by accusing them of sexism. That's honestly the whole reason they're debating the question in the first place. You can't backtrack and say 'well maybe the problem really isn't sexist professors and scientists, but we do raise girls in a biased way'. Either there's sexism in science or not.
Christina Hoff Sommers is wonderful!! For her high integrity, excellent reasoning ability, and courage to go against the wrongs and injustices of radical feminism for over 20 years... should get a NOBEL PRIZE!!
Don't get me wrong. I declared myself a feminist in the 1970s -- an EQUITY feminist as is Sommers. The feminist movement has done much good which I appreciate! But unfortunately the movement has morphed in large part into a sort of abomination.
@MastaHack2 Wrong people do not like science because they dont see an initial benefit from it therefore judge it as worthless.If your going to be an engineer why would you need to take a biology class?
3:45
Wrong.