I can't imagine anyone being more anxious and hopeful for the R7 Mk II ! I absolutely love / hate my two R7's :) lol I love them because when used correctly, they have given me 10's of thousands of great images which I pretty much could not have gotten with ANY other gear. I just have to have the extra reach. I haven't used a $25K, 1200 mm full frame combo, but pixel peeping my better images on a 4K screen, I just don't think they could be a lot sharper, or cleaner, at least that I could discern with my eyes > especially after being sized down to 3-5 megapixels for digital viewing, 99+% of folks uses nowadays. Not to mention the weight, and lack of versatility of that $25K combo, might actually cost me some shots too ? I'd sure like to see that stacked sensor and faster readout, eliminate shutter roll to point that it didn't even need a Mechanical shutter in it at all. But I know some folks would throw a crying fit if they just let it out altogether :) That's fine, I'll just never use it. Heck, I never use that atrocious MS in my R7's now. Granted, I don't do a lot of BIF, either. If I did, I might not be using the R7's. Oh and Canon, Please work on the consistency and stickiness of that AF and EAF system !!! That's going to be my first, and biggest concern, when I "rent" the R7 Mk II. Everything else will secondary. Oh, and one more thing which I don't believe was mentioned.... a Battery grip ! I hated that my R7's could not use a grip. Almost never tried an R7 just because of it. But after renting the R7, and doing so well with it, that I went on and bought one.... then sold my R5.... then bought a second R7, the lack of a grip just became one more thing that I had to work around, to get the one single, but huge benefit of my R7's... Reach. As always, great video Jan :) Thank you.
I think a lot of people are looking for the R7 II to be like the old 7D mkii, but in mirrorless format. If it is, then Canon are on to a winning formula with that camera. Lets just hope they give it these "pro" usability features that set it aside from the other aps-c lineup currently available. I have used MFT also for some time and can say that having an APS-C crop sensor, seems to be the perfect balance of crop factor to noise handling ratio.
To be like the old 7d ii??? Ten frames a second, 20mpx and no eye finding af???? People seem to view the 7d ii with rose colored glasses. Sure, the R7 has some shortfalls, but it still blows the 7d ii out of the water every day of the year!!
@alansach8437 I'm sorry but the 7D mkii is one of the best aps-c DSLRs made at the time, the only possible contender is the d500 that surpasses it maybe. Many a good image have been made using both of these aps-c DSLRs.
@@alansach8437 It shouldn't be hard to understand the point. People wanted the R7 to be, as it's name suggests, a modern successor to the pro-level capability of the 7D ii that was introduced 10 years ago. What we got was an APS-C body that's decent, but falls well short of what the 7D ii would be if it was introduced in mid-2022. The hope now is that an R7 mk II will be what a 7D would be if introduced in mid-2025.
As an R7 owner, I am surprised that most people are so positive about it. The biggest thing for me is the noise - I find I have to denoise pretty much _every_ shot in post, even those take in decent conditions. I am not that bothered about read-out speed; I would prefer it if Canon could provide a 30+ Mega Pixel APSC sensor with lower noise. Maybe I am a bit of an outlier here. 😕
You are not an outlier by any means. The R7 overall is a very good camera and is a significant overall improvement in performance over earlier APS-C cameras. But I want much more now, especially since I know Sony can do it. .......and I am right there with you about wanting better noise performance (see my post/wish list above), and I'd add better detail preservation plus increased dynamic range at higher ISOs. Given this is 2024 and sensor performance should be improving dramatically year over year, it's about time someone came up with a sensor that is virtually noiseless, maintains detail, and with good dynamic range out to ISO 10000 so we can stop action with shutter speeds as fast as 1/1000 in low light situations in an APS-C. That's what I mostly want, improved image quality when you need higher ISOs to get appropriately fast shutter speeds for action, everything else is simply crème on top. We've been in a holding pattern accepting base ISO for over a decade now.
Yeah Canon R7 user here but my next camera has to be stacked sensor. Canon also needs to look at Nikon pf lenses. They did do something similar way back.. the DO 400mm F4II then nothing. I'm hoping on a PRO APSC or my fav would be a new APSH (1.3x). If the R7 II is not fully stacked then getting the Nikon Z8 + 180-600mm +800mm F6.3 in the new year.
@@nordic5490 F11 good for the moon maybe? but I could never treat them seriously 🤣especially UK light. Would be backward move for me. I have seen a couple of decent images of birds on a branch though. Waste of money I have sharper old sigma zooms that the kids play with.
@@naturealbumsI shoot with some Nikon shooters but shoot Canon FF r6 and Apsc r7. Just the focusing alone would make that a net loss switch for a lot of canon shooters. The rf cameras just dont miss. It would be really frustrating to go to cameras that struggle to focus in scenerios Canons handle so effortlessly.
@@unclchunk Fair point I agree I do like the Canon focus (I've been loving Canon for a couple of decades). That's why I'm going to wait for a cropped stacked sensor R7II. I am invested in older prime Canon tele lenses but RF system is way over the top in the UK. Also the R5II not worth it I can get a Z8 (grey) + 180-600mm same price in UK. I think it's time to enjoy some of those nice Nikon lenses and I loved the Z8.
An R7 MKII with better AF, less shutter shock/noise and an extra control (maybe the return of the dial around the Set button) would be perfect. Would prefer if they kept the general size and weight though
Current R7 control are fine in my opinion. just go to Fv then you got Av, Tv, & M in one mode.just need 2 wheel to set everything. One wheel scroll through iso, aperture, exp compensation, & shutter speed. Another wheel to set the value. What Canon need to improve the most are the readout speed & AF consistency. Also i wish things like Bigger buffer , use of CF express, & able to use battery grip will be available in next R7 camera.
@@adhi_atma I might be the only one to agree with you on the current controls :) lol But for me, sure, of course. I've only shot with two cameras for the last two years, and they are "both R7's" so yea, any change to the layout would just mess me up for a while. I guess I'd eventually get used to it. :)
@@adhi_atma I really like the buttons and dials of the R7. By assigning the lens control ring to aperture, I get immediate and familiar access to all elements of the exposure triangle. The nicer EF-RF adaptor also has a control ring for this purpose, and I like the placement of the main dial and dial around the joystick. Please don't mess with a good thing, Canon 😊
I'm fine with my R6 MII. Hate that I will lose resell value but only reason to upgrade for me would be for higher MP to crop. The sensor on R6 MII is decently fast though at times I do see some warping and blackout and the precapture definitely could be better but it's not worth shelling out for. Not to mention the good low light performance of the 24 MP sensor. I tend to feel far more limited by my 100-500 than my camera body.
I'm really happy with my R6mII. The only camera that would solve all of the minor issues I have with it is the R5mII. The R6mIII's only benefit to me would probably be an increased AF accuracy. I'm fine with the readout speed of the R6mII, so I don't need a stacked sensor as long as the resolution doesn't increase. I'll keep saving for the R5mII.
Definitely looking forward to the R6iii. I have the R6i now and have transitioned into a lot more video work since I got it, so the iii will be a welcomed upgrade.
Yup I want a more upscale Canon R7. Similar size to their full frame bodies. I love the control layout on the current model unlike a lot of users here. But to each his own.
I've never used the electronic shutter precisely because of the rolling shutter that results from the slow readout speed. In theory precapture is a great way to get around the reaction time when a bird explodes off of its perch, but in practice what's the point if you get the timing right but the image is distorted? My wishlist is a much faster readout, better AF (especially BIF) and when the background is cluttered (common with animals, and particularly BIF with trees behind them), and a bigger buffer. Give me that and a significant increase in price over the original R7 will be perfectly acceptable.
Been using my R7 since August of 2022 as an upgrade from my 80D. My only complaints with it are 1) the AF isn't sticky enough (so I've mapped a back button for focusing where I put it - without tracking - for when the AF misbehaves and 2) too much noise in dark situations. So I added an R6 Mark II to my kit this summer for low-light situations and for when I need a wider angle of view. I deliberately chose the 6 rather than the 5 because I'm not a sports shooter who needs a CF card - I'd rather stick with a pair of matching V90 cards. So the last thing I want is an R5-style body and a stacked sensor! Just give me lower noise and R6/II style stickier autofocus! How about a baby-R6/II with a 20 to 24mp APS-C sensor for less noise?
Hello Jan, thank you for this review. I have been watching all your recent review as I am ready to upgrade from my R6. I love the feel of my R6, and the R6 III that is coming out sounds amazing, but I’m a wildlife, bird and nature photographer and I feel that more megapixels is needed for situations when I need to crop in post processing. Would you agree that the R5 II is really the best overall? I think this is what I’m leaning towards. But when I watch reviews on the new R7II 32 MP at a cheaper price? Thx for your help !
Stacked sensor would be great, only way to get pre capture. Also nikon and sony sensors perform great image quality wise stacked so canon just needs to figure out how to make it work without losing the quality.
Apsc is very balanced and at the sweet spot. I just sold my Canon R, Nikon Z8 and the R5. Going back to Apsc and probably getting the Pany GH7 because I miss the reach and the depth of field
I'm absolutely interested in a R7 II with the specs., you mentioned. I would use it for action and for bird photography. I am considering, if my full frame should be R5 or R5II because of the reasons, you mentioned regarding stacked sensors creating more noise. Thanks for sharing you videos. / Greetings from Per Christensen, Denmark, Europe, Northern Hemisphere, The World, the Universe.
Hey Jan, thanks for the updates! I think an an R6-like R7 II, thats worth of its name would be great for Canon users, to increase their focal range, without having to take out a new mortgage. With a powerful processorhardware, a stacked sensor with its dynamic range drawbacks, would not be necessary. The last Canon APS-C Kamera that met the requirements of a more professional body was the 7d. For mine I payed around 1100 EUR at those times. Today, an R7 II should be possible for around 2000 EUR. The question is whether the market is big enough for such a camera. Apart from bird photographers, I don't see many users who should need one.
Would be thrilled with an R7Mii if it addresses some of the issues with the original version. I'm not really familiar enough with a stacked sensor to comment on that. My concerns would be MUCH better AF, fixing the rolling shutter, and better shots at high ISOs. Mine is horrible after 4000 ISO. Since I shoot a lot of birds in flight (and surfers), the rolling shutter in Electronic Shutter Mode is also an issue with the R7.
R6 user here that is holding out for the R6III. I had been tempted by the R6II, but never felt the cost/benefit was quite there for what I shoot. If the R6III brings the R3 sensor, upgraded AF, and the newer non-clunky pre-capture, I'll be quick to pre-order. I had an R7 for almost a year, tried to love it, but eventually broke up with it. I could be very tempted by a R7II if it becomes the true 7D2 mirrorless replacement it should be.
Yes you have right ,the biggest primes grab so much attention. I bought a new camo to my big and lot of people noticed it and some people asked if I make my living by photographing birds. White lenses grab more attention and that is why I use lens covers also for my zooms. Thanks for the news Cheers 😊
I do enjoy and hate my R7 . I mainly take BIF images and the R7 is only good up to ISO 800 with my EF 100-400 lS II 4.5-5.6 lens . Rolling shutter is a major problem and the auto tracking jumps on and off the subject constantly . I have learned over the years how to work around these issues and have gotten many a great shot but it has been a frustrating journey ! I wish Canon would make a dedicated nature camera for stills only , forget the video ! Love your content Jan and hope you are feeling well these days !
I shoot the R5 100-500. I’m in love with the lens! I’m not getting the R5ii for now. Holding out to see the R7ii. Weight is a factor for me. Getting that extra in camera crop with the R7ii is definitely interesting. I believe the crop on the R5 takes me to 20 MP. I wonder if we could have a full frame camera, that also has a decent crop built in? I’d love to see content on your impressions of the R5ii in crop mode AND the min. amount of pixels you consider acceptable for further crop in post.
R7mkii wish list Bigger/higher resolution evf and back screen stacked sensor 4k120 battery grip otherwise just the same general improvements every new body gets. better af, precapture, etc
I have used my R7 for a year now and slowly its shortcomings start to annoy me. Unfortunately I shoot mostly in nature preservation areas where I cannot simply walk up to the animals so the extra reach from the crop sensor is a must for me. A faster sensor would be nice but there are so many quality of live improvements that Canon could do to make a R7 Mk. II outstanding: more reliable AF and subject detection, hassle-free preshooting, exposure metering proritizing subject (all done in R5 Mk. II)
Interesting. I've had my two R7's for two years now, and the shortcomings annoyed me a lot more in the beginning. As time has gone on though, I've gotten a lot better at working around all of their weaknesses, to get the shots that I want. Their are just SO many better cameras out there.... but none that can do for me, what the R7 can. So for now, I'm stuck with them.
My wish for R7ii: Fix the rolling shutter. Fix the pre-capture. Fix the buffer. Leave the body exactly as it is (especially the on, photo, video switch location and the simple but easy to use mode dial). I actually prefer my R7 (in the hand) to my R5.
There is in my testing quite a bit wrong with the R7 which canon needs to address in the next Gen if they hope to redeem themselves. The dodgy AF is one HUGE one and the lack of a fast reading card slot that can keep up with the FPS or the camera. The R7’s AF pitted with super tele lenses could not keep up with the 15FPS shooting and canon admitted to this. So I would love to see a pro APSC body from canon with a stacked sensor not just becuase it would read faster but also becuase we could eliminate the shutter shock becuase now the ES would be the primary way of shooting
re: R7ii, I'd take a fast non stacked sensor, even if just 24mp, but stacked would be fine too.Biggest thing for me is I hope they truly fine tune the firmware for actual best-in-class AF. If it has R6ii rolling shutter and AF performance I'd be more than happy. My only major other gripe was the poor pre-capture implementation (making me skip the R8/6ii/5 as an upgrade), but that seems to be fixed and no doubt the R7ii will have the better pre-capture. Hence, I'm pretty sure the R7ii will be my next camera! I won't be too picky about the sensor as long as the rolling shutter isn't as bad as it is now and if AF is majorly improved, which seems to be the case. Everything else is just extras, I'll take the extras if they add them (as long as price remains relatively fair for those extras), but it won't change my decision to buy or not. Something like a Fuji xh2s specs wise, at a similar price as they sell it, would be pretty much amazing, even if a few sacrifices are made to match that price, or they go slightly more expensive. 2000 usd seems fair though and I wouldn't wanna pay more than that!
As a seasoned amateur I am very happy with the R7. I am shooting citysacpes, landscapes, woodlands and portraits. For me the autofocus is absolutely sufficient. I wanted a camera that is about 1500 $, and that weighs less than 1 kg with decent tele lenses on it.
I think that makes you different than most R7 users. That the body and (limited) RF-S lenses are cheaper and lighter than FF options is great, but I think the vast majority of people with an R7 are looking for the extra reach that comes with a crop body because they're shooting things that tend to be far away and moving (often quickly). I imagine that Canon's target audience was the latter, but they gave us an R7 that seems designed more for the type of shooting that you do.
Thank you for another great, informative video. I really appreciated getting some news on the upcoming R7ii. Given its looking like another year until its likely release, I've taken advantage of the Black Saturday sales and now have the Canon R7. Like you, I've been getting a little wary of the compromises of some stacked sensors. While it would be great to have less wobbles or rolling shutter that the Canon R7ii may bring, if there was a loss of Image quality and dynamic range at high ISO's, that would be a big deal for me. And there would likely be a long wait for the better part of another year to find out just what the strengths of the R7ii would be. I've already set up the costume button functions on the R7, including your recommended double back button auto focus, and while a different set up to my Canon R6 due to the different button lay out, I am getting used to the R7's layout quite quickly. The R7 certainly has its limitations, but with the Canon RF 100mm to 400mm it is giving me lots of reach in a small, light setup (even with microphone attached) that I can carry around in a large bum bag. This is going to be really good, as I will now be able to have a camera on me a lot more of the time, allowing me to capture more of those magical wildlife moments @GrampiansParadise that I have been missing. Aidan Banfield
Canon should keep the layout of the R7! Maybe add an extra wheel. But the joystick-wheel combination on the top is much more ergonomic. Increase the readout speed and please eliminate the shutter shock! I would be very happy if Canon would NOT touch the 30MP.
Jan , you are the one that we rely on because not too many of us know what a stacked sensor even does here Jan . Like even you have stated here Jan it's about time Canon does something in the len's department to make some Bird Photography lenses .
I'm on the fence with having an R7ii with a stacked sensor. A number of times using RAW Burst to precapture a bird flying off does see a fair bit of rolling shutter in the wings. I mainly shoot mechanical when doing BiF, unless I'm in a precatpure situation. But if it comes at the cost of image quality and detail, maybe I can do without?!?! But if the Xcelorator chip helps with more sticky AF, I'm all in on that. And keep the current form factor, I actually like the thumb dial. Just throw in a couple more custom buttons and maybe another 1 or 2 custom modes on the dial. I can do without a CFExpress card slot, V90s are just fast enough on my R7 (but pricier on a per GB/$). A nicer EVF and a 4 axis tilt screen would be a welcomed upgrade.
The R7 Mark II as described by you would be of great interest to me. In fact, I would definitely buy one and a price point up to $2500 US would be attractive. Someone asked me the other day for an opinion on wildlife camera gear and I did not recommend Canon at this time because of its pivot to sports, expensive lenses, and no access to 3rd party lenses. I'm a Canon guy and I own an R5 Mark II, and have some buyer remorse. At a cost of $4300, the upgrade from the R5 is the pre-capture (a GREAT feature), and everything else is neutral or, in the case of low light ability, worse. Most of its features support sports photography and other "people" photography. I have seen some big time You Tubers opine that the R5 and R5 II are pretty much a wash in regard to processing low light and I say, hogwash. Great video, thanks!
It all depends on the lights and subject as well. I can use iso 12800 and have low but decent light on the subject and then IQ will be great, but if you have a very dark bird, like the bird of paradise in this video, that also has an extremely bright throat, every bit of DR suddenly counts
@@jan_wegener Thanks for reminding us of this nuance that I originally learned from your R5ii video but somehow forgot, and almost regretted my decision to order a R5ii when you mentioned low light performance in this video 😅
I am looking forward to the new R7 especially the stack sensor and the improvement enrolling shutter as well as the new digit processor which should make focus in better. The one thing that bothers me right now is I haven’t heard anything about something I think is very necessary, professional for a professional gray camera And that is a battery grip. That is a very little camera and a battery grip would allow you to have two batteries and add some bulk to the camera and make it fitting your hand easier now that’s becoming a professional camera. It really should have a battery grip. Hopefully that is a missing item that just hasn’t been mentioned in the reviews and canon is considering it hope so,.
I love my R7. As soon as cameras with stacked sensors are released complaints about “poor dynamic range” abound in RUclips world. So sad. The R10 is also a great camera.
Stacked sensor is definitely the way to go, I just bright it up since I experienced it first hand between R5 and R5 II when photographing birds of paradise. I still prefer the R5 II, but it gives you a a headache sometimes
Hi Jan, an R7ii with stacked sensor, digic accelerator AF and a CFxB slot sounds like a dream and no doubt it will include the pre-capture method. A stacked sensor would cure rolling shutter and significantly improve AF speeds .. but your low light concerns are of course valid as well. When the R7ii get a non-stacked sensor but a rolling shutter design with a readout speed below 10ms and better low light IQ than the current R7, then I think everybody would be happy 😛 I'd bet you ordered the R1 instead of the a1 ii. The a1 ii is great for Sony guys, but to me it looks like a maybe slightly better but overpriced R5ii
The original R7 had pre capture, no reason why the R7 Mkii wouldn't have it. It's slated to go upscale with a stacked sensor, a first for a crop sensor. It's slated for Q4 2025 so likely end of year or early 2026 at this point.
@@num1hendrickfan I meant the 'old' pre-capture method (with the annoying container file) shall be replaced by the 'new' method as seen in R5ii & R1. I should have included the word 'new' in my first comment. A stacked crop sensor would be a first for the big three, but I believe Fuji and certainly OM system already have one.
I would love a new upgraded R7 mk2 even if its twice as expensive as the mk1. I think I also would prefer an non stacked sensor, same resolution but faster and less rolling shutter. I have the R5 and love it, I also have the R7 and ...like it. The autofocus definitely have to be improved and the buffert have to be twice as big in my opinion. The mecanical shutter have to be quieter, less clonc, and the weather proofing maybe a bit better.
The R7 just needs simple fixes. Like the ability to add a vertical/battery grip. A normal size frame would be great also. All the other things people are mentioning would send the price through the roof. Maybe make that and call it an R4 or something to differentiate it as a high end offering.
"A normal size frame"? You know the full frame mirrorless was around for several years before we got an APS-C body, and there are already plenty of FF bodies that have better capabilities than the R7, right?
@@OccamsToaster yes I am aware of everything you stated here. unfortunately nothing you said is relevant to the comment I made. There are many APSC cameras with normal size frames and the ability to use a vertical/battery grip. Those two things are currently the problem with the R7 that could be addressed and still keep the R7 in the price/performance bracket it currently occupies.
I had an R7 and dumped it and went back to the 7DII. I found the buffering etc was so frustrating. Hopefully an R7II might solve all that. As for LR, I gave up on that also. LOL Technological Pterodactyl.
For me, being able to use flash with electronic shutter is a must, it makes focus stacking macro shots much, much better. I already have an R5II, so an R7II isn’t that attractive, I’d rather spend that money on a nice trip :)
If the R7ii can fix all of its problems, I would switch back to Canon from Nikon. The R7 with the 300 f2.8 version 2 was my favorite combo for the “look” I was going for AND portability. Amazing set up. But the wobble and rolling shutter and the out of focus frames were a deal breaker
One of the best improvements they can make on the R7 mk II would be a battery grip if you’re using a big lens like a 600 mm balance is much better plus with two batteries you don’t have to worry about running out of power
I’m mostly happy with the R7, but a faster sensor readout speed is a must, as is stickier autofocus and more video options (1080p 240ps minimum IMO). I DON’T want to see the video switch moved to the left side like R6ii/8/5ii, I’m too busy bracing a telephoto with my left hand!
I love my R7 with RF 100-500 for birding, but I would definitely buy the Mark II if sensor readout was improved to reduce rolling shutter and the EVF had better resolution for assessment of image quality on the fly. Everything elses is gravy e.g. a larger buffer or improved AF. That said, the Mark I arrived in May 2022, and it seems too soon for an upgrade. Moreover, I just picked up the R5 at a great sale price, and it should satisfy me for a few more years.
By May 2025 it would be 3 years, which is less than the R6 turnover has been. So if it was announced maybe August and reliever a bit later it seems reasonable I’d say
Interesting news. The day after I take delivery of my R1 your video on a R7 mark II drops. I bought the R3 after i was disappointed with the R7 specs. We'll see what happens after real world testing of the R7 II. I'm hopeful and thanks for the video!
R7 mkii sounds very appealing if it has what’s on your wish list. Mine is the same, although I’d also love Clog2 to be in it too, which I think it will. Also you mentioned in another video about doing a video on the Canon RF 100-300mm f2.8 soon, I’m yet to see many examples of how it performs with extenders, especially the 2x. The new song 300mm 2.8 seems to work great with their 2x, so would be interesting to see what the Canon lens is like.
Why the heck does everybody wish for a bigger size of the R7 successor? As an owner of one I'm happy it's not such a brick like the full frame models. The job of getting me back pain after a day out is still something the lens can do... Have you all giant shovels with big Fleischwurst-sausages at the end of your arms?
Great and informative video, wit some beautiful photos as usual, Jan. I would love to see the r7 ii coming, and i am sure it will be a great camera. Only thing i am a bit un secure about is 32,5 mp on a stacked aps-c sensor. I think it would have been smart to lover the mp a bit, if it is stacked, to get a bit better low light performance. Maybe 26-28 mp instead. It would still have a lot of details, but probably also better in low light. I also hope that there will be a 600mm 6.3 or a 500mm 5.6, and maybe a 400mm 4.5 soon That 400mm or 500mm would have been great to pair with the upcoming r7 ii. Wishing you and yours a great week/weekend. Cheers, Bjoern
I like to see a modern sensor on the R7 II, if not it feels a bit outdated. However a solid cmos sensor is also fine, but rolling shutter should be reduced significantly. A small loss of dynamic range is not an issue for me.
They are some really amazing cameras lined up. That is great news! But I really hope Canon focuses on those mid-range to affordable lenses - most are overpriced for hobbyist users and Nikon's making some really smart moves in that area. So many cameras and so few lens options!
I ditched the RP and bought the R7 as soon as it came out. Despite its quirks the R7 was such as huge improvement over the RP I just couldn't help but love it. The learning curve has been steep but after many thousands of photos and many hours of reading and watching reviews and setup guides I've gotten to the point where this little APS-C is dialed in and does pretty much everything I ask of it. I hope Canon doesn't alter much of anything about the layout. For me and my XXL hands with age related reduced sensitivity in the fingers, adding more buttons/dials to an already crowded landscape wouldn't be appreciated. I own an R5 (and have owned an R6) and (probably because I use the R7 more) I like the R7 layout best. A battery grip for me isn't so much to do about the power as the grip. Getting that extra real estate would help me keep my fingers from bumping buttons and dials. And like others have said, when you hang a RF 200-800 on the little R7 and go shooting hand-held, you need some extra leverage. Little things matter. Like the R5II, the R7II needs a tiny bit of noise added for the electronic shutter. That 'tactile noise' would help to bring me back to reality when rattling off 30 FPS. I don't know enough about a stacked sensor to comment. Obviously I'd want less rolling shutter and wobbly AF, however they might achieve it. What I'd really like to see, and I don't hear it mentioned a lot, is even less lag time in the EVF. I keep my trusty 90D around just for it's APS-C sensor and optical viewfinder and little birds-in-flight like swallows. I own the R7 because of the reach. I'll always have an APS-C for that reason. I'll always have a FF for landscape work and photographing my art in studio. I spent the $$ and bought the RF 200-800 so I could use the R5 with all of its attributes more for birds. Last but not least, thank you Jan for all you do. I use your set-up guides as a base for my R-7 and R-5 configuration and just bought your LR tutorial for use this Winter.
while the A1-2 is appealing I'm too heavily invested in glass for canon - The oh wow we've had way more interest than we expected has gotten past the ridiculous! - I pre-ordered the new Z lens from Canon in the 70-200 - B&H says they have no time frame on my order or when I can expect it - the original ship date was Nove 14 -
Sigma already make the excellent 500mm 5.6 for L and E mount. Sony just need to remove the daft decision to not allow teleconverters on third party lenses for E mount. And if it wasn’t for Canons restrictions we’d see it in RF for sure. But E and L mount shooters do have a small, excellent tele available now for not a lot of money.
Because I haven't had my R6-II very long, and the price of what I would guess the R6-III would bring, I'll be staying with the version 2. Would I replace my R7 with an R7-II? Hard to say. The initial $2500 US which is more than I paid for my R6-II would be a turn-off. I would sit tight on my R7 unless I could sell quite a bit of my unused gear to offset the cost, but with all of those improvements that were talked about on this video I would expect the price to be around the $2600 to $2800 mark putting it out of my budget even after selling some of my gear.
I am not sure about the fear from Canon/Sony cannibalizing their large aperture prime lens sales. The vast majority of hobbyist photographers will rarely splurge the $10K+ for those lenses. The pros and the deep pocketed amateurs will still buy them; which I assume is where their current sales are. The sweet spot is in the $5-8K range IMO. Canons STM f/11 lenses are a little sub-par in performance. I rather pay a little more and get better performance like the Nikon PF primes. If Nikon's AF catches up to the Sony, I can see myself switching platforms again just for their lens line up. Sony doesn't even offer any choices in this range, which is disheartening. When a third-party offers an alternative, Sony will limit its capability, so there's that BS caveat. Being able to hand hold a 400, 500, 600 or 800mm lens for extended periods is awesome. Not every photographer wants to lug around a tripod or monopod. Especially people hiking or chasing small birds.
A lot of the stacked sensor issues are because of high megapixel Jan. R3 doesn't have any issues (nor the R1 by any account I've been able to see). A 32mp R7II would be a disaster imho - it's equivalent to a 82mp FF camera and that is just way overkill. A good sweet spot would be a 18mp stacked sensor, which is equivalent to a 45mp FF camera. The R7 has much more wrong with it, including poor buffer, terrible button UI layout, terrible EVF, and as you mentioned, poor AF (Canon have already admitted that the AF pulsing with the R7 is due to the pixel size and lower light hitting each pixel for the AF sub systems). A lower mp APS-C BSI stacked sensor, with a better buffer and CFE B slot(s) would help alleviate nearly all of the current R7 design issues. I'll be my usual blunt self - it's a sub-standard offering from Canon (who has also done an ultra poor job on APS-C lenses...).
Improvements to image quality would be the only reason I would upgrade to a newer R7 model over my original R7. I would need to have better ISO performance (measurable & visibly lower noise and less loss of detail) at ISO's 3200 to 10000 and improved dynamic range. I would also like to see better AF/tracking performance; and perhaps faster readout/less rolling shutter. If you can improve the EVF or rear screen visibility/brightness (especially when used in strong daylight) - great but not absolutely necessary! I don't want more bells and whistles. Just improve the sensor performance! Keep the size/weight similar. Don't need battery grip - will carry an extra battery if necessary.
IQ > Stacked sensor. Keep mechanical shutter for fast subjects, but compromising IQ on a sensor size that already loses light vs ff would be a bad idea.
How about a R5 equivalent sensor for the R7 in an aps format. Faster sensor better low light performance and less rolling shutter. Quicker sensor processing to help the auto focus. Would not be stacked can't afford noiser pictures than I have now
Personally not interested in an R7ii but I know plenty of people are, much more interested in an R6iii if it has a stacked sensor and CFe cards and proper pre capture. I'm pretty happy with my R6ii except for the video switch which I can't reach with my right hand and paired with my 200-800 zoom it's a great combination especially at beaches and estuaries but I'd like another zoom with a brighter aperture for shooting in forests and low light: perhaps a 100-500mm f/2.8-5.6 or 100-400mm f/2.8-4 ? If I could afford it and Canon choose to make it a 200-800mm f/2.8-5.6 would be my dream lens but it would be very expensive of course.
I'm all in on the Sony A1II. RAW pre-capture, A9III body and AI processing chip are worth the price of admission alone. I don't get those complaining about Sony not adding some of these features in a firmware update. Do these people expect to take their 4-year old HiLux back to Toyota to have it upgraded to the latest iteration ... of course not. You don't buy a camera for features it may have added in the future ... you buy it because it works for you today.
I'm super keen on a canon R6III, it sounds like exactly the camera I want & at a good price. However Canon really doesn't have the mid-range glass to back it up. They have plenty of cheap lenses & plenty of amazing high-end lenses, but really fall short in this price range. I don't think I would be able to justify it, cause they simply don't have the glass I need for the way & what I shoot. If the RF mount for full frame glass isn't open to at least sigma by the time I am ready for an upgrade, I think I'll be forced to choose a Sony A7IV or maybe an A7V if that is out by the time, even though I would not be happy about it due to the very slow shooting of 5-7fps, depending on my settings.
@jan_wegener i'de be looking something like a 200-600 6.3 like is on Sony, the very good Nikon 180-600 or even the sigma DN 60-600 which is apparently better than the Sony 200-600 for sharpness zoomed all the way in and less focus breathing. I know Canon has the 200-800, but at F9, with the higher ISOs I would be shooting, I would loose all the dynamic range advantage I would theoretically gain over shooting cropped with an f5.6 lens like I currently do. I also find 400mm with the 1.6 Canon crop limits me less than not having enough light - a 600 6.3 would work far better since I gain a little zoom & better DR from a full frame body while only loosing 1/3rd stop of apature. The other sticking point for me is Canon's lack of mid - range primes. I find it useful to have something like a small wide angle prime like the 16mm f2.8 on Canon, but it's image quality is quite poor by all reports, i'de much rather the sigma 17mm f4. Their f1.4 primes are also outrageously priced compared to equivalent sigma lenses which are just as good. At least Canon finally came out with a 28-70 f2.8 that's not toooo expensive, but it still costs 50% more than the equivalent sigma lens. I'm not sure lens IS is worth that much to me, especially since whatever body I buy will have IBIS. Also seriously Canon, you charge 1600 AUD for a lens & it doesn't ship with a hood? Do better. I'de rather be stuck with a body that doesn't quite do what I want for a while, but have a great set of lenses & only have to upgrade the body when a better option comes up, or I can afford better, than buy a body that's great now & a bunch of lenses that don't quite do what I want. That way in 10 years I'm stuck with an out of date body and lenses I don't want.
I thought the Sony A1 mkii announcement was a massive disappointment. I was expecting a much more dramatic revision. I'll wait until the reviews come out before I pass final judgement, though.
Canon FINALLY COPYING Nikon? Finally? Historical hysterical. Canon started making cameras with lenses from Nippon Kogaku (that's how Nikon was called before it got called Nikon). And then they went rogue to make their own lenses - that was "copying Nikon" already. At a point when Nikon had a head start of decades in designing and making lenses.
I would love to see smaller cheaper telephoto lenses that are stil faster then the standaard zoom options nikons 600 f6.3 is nice but it would have sold better if it was a 600 f5.6 or f5. Personally i would dream of a smaller 500mm lens with an f5 aputure that would even be with a 2x tc an f10 which on the right day could be doable but is a lot lighter then my current 500mm f4 also a 400f 3.5 would be fantastic. I think manufacturers are holding on the “standard” but i think if they dare to step of those standards then could have really good selling lenses
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I can't imagine anyone being more anxious and hopeful for the R7 Mk II ! I absolutely love / hate my two R7's :) lol I love them because when used correctly, they have given me 10's of thousands of great images which I pretty much could not have gotten with ANY other gear. I just have to have the extra reach. I haven't used a $25K, 1200 mm full frame combo, but pixel peeping my better images on a 4K screen, I just don't think they could be a lot sharper, or cleaner, at least that I could discern with my eyes > especially after being sized down to 3-5 megapixels for digital viewing, 99+% of folks uses nowadays. Not to mention the weight, and lack of versatility of that $25K combo, might actually cost me some shots too ?
I'd sure like to see that stacked sensor and faster readout, eliminate shutter roll to point that it didn't even need a Mechanical shutter in it at all. But I know some folks would throw a crying fit if they just let it out altogether :) That's fine, I'll just never use it. Heck, I never use that atrocious MS in my R7's now. Granted, I don't do a lot of BIF, either. If I did, I might not be using the R7's.
Oh and Canon, Please work on the consistency and stickiness of that AF and EAF system !!! That's going to be my first, and biggest concern, when I "rent" the R7 Mk II. Everything else will secondary.
Oh, and one more thing which I don't believe was mentioned.... a Battery grip ! I hated that my R7's could not use a grip. Almost never tried an R7 just because of it. But after renting the R7, and doing so well with it, that I went on and bought one.... then sold my R5.... then bought a second R7, the lack of a grip just became one more thing that I had to work around, to get the one single, but huge benefit of my R7's... Reach.
As always, great video Jan :) Thank you.
Well said and all great points! Batterygrip would be great
I think a lot of people are looking for the R7 II to be like the old 7D mkii, but in mirrorless format. If it is, then Canon are on to a winning formula with that camera. Lets just hope they give it these "pro" usability features that set it aside from the other aps-c lineup currently available. I have used MFT also for some time and can say that having an APS-C crop sensor, seems to be the perfect balance of crop factor to noise handling ratio.
To be like the old 7d ii??? Ten frames a second, 20mpx and no eye finding af???? People seem to view the 7d ii with rose colored glasses. Sure, the R7 has some shortfalls, but it still blows the 7d ii out of the water every day of the year!!
@alansach8437 I'm sorry but the 7D mkii is one of the best aps-c DSLRs made at the time, the only possible contender is the d500 that surpasses it maybe. Many a good image have been made using both of these aps-c DSLRs.
@@alansach8437 It shouldn't be hard to understand the point. People wanted the R7 to be, as it's name suggests, a modern successor to the pro-level capability of the 7D ii that was introduced 10 years ago. What we got was an APS-C body that's decent, but falls well short of what the 7D ii would be if it was introduced in mid-2022. The hope now is that an R7 mk II will be what a 7D would be if introduced in mid-2025.
As an R7 owner, I am surprised that most people are so positive about it. The biggest thing for me is the noise - I find I have to denoise pretty much _every_ shot in post, even those take in decent conditions. I am not that bothered about read-out speed; I would prefer it if Canon could provide a 30+ Mega Pixel APSC sensor with lower noise.
Maybe I am a bit of an outlier here. 😕
You are not an outlier by any means. The R7 overall is a very good camera and is a significant overall improvement in performance over earlier APS-C cameras. But I want much more now, especially since I know Sony can do it. .......and I am right there with you about wanting better noise performance (see my post/wish list above), and I'd add better detail preservation plus increased dynamic range at higher ISOs. Given this is 2024 and sensor performance should be improving dramatically year over year, it's about time someone came up with a sensor that is virtually noiseless, maintains detail, and with good dynamic range out to ISO 10000 so we can stop action with shutter speeds as fast as 1/1000 in low light situations in an APS-C. That's what I mostly want, improved image quality when you need higher ISOs to get appropriately fast shutter speeds for action, everything else is simply crème on top. We've been in a holding pattern accepting base ISO for over a decade now.
Can you do a R1 vs R5 ii image quality when the R1 is upscaled to 45mp? Like you did with the R5 and R3, thanks!
Yeah Canon R7 user here but my next camera has to be stacked sensor. Canon also needs to look at Nikon pf lenses. They did do something similar way back.. the DO 400mm F4II then nothing. I'm hoping on a PRO APSC or my fav would be a new APSH (1.3x). If the R7 II is not fully stacked then getting the Nikon Z8 + 180-600mm +800mm F6.3 in the new year.
The RF600 f11 and the RF800 F11 are both DO (PF) lenses.
@@nordic5490 F11 good for the moon maybe? but I could never treat them seriously 🤣especially UK light. Would be backward move for me. I have seen a couple of decent images of birds on a branch though. Waste of money I have sharper old sigma zooms that the kids play with.
@@naturealbumsI shoot with some Nikon shooters but shoot Canon FF r6 and Apsc r7. Just the focusing alone would make that a net loss switch for a lot of canon shooters. The rf cameras just dont miss. It would be really frustrating to go to cameras that struggle to focus in scenerios Canons handle so effortlessly.
@@unclchunk Fair point I agree I do like the Canon focus (I've been loving Canon for a couple of decades). That's why I'm going to wait for a cropped stacked sensor R7II. I am invested in older prime Canon tele lenses but RF system is way over the top in the UK. Also the R5II not worth it I can get a Z8 (grey) + 180-600mm same price in UK. I think it's time to enjoy some of those nice Nikon lenses and I loved the Z8.
I use the Canon 400mm f4 DO. An amazing lens, much overlooked. Relatively small and light. Great for travel/safari.
An R7 MKII with better AF, less shutter shock/noise and an extra control (maybe the return of the dial around the Set button) would be perfect. Would prefer if they kept the general size and weight though
interesting! I definitely forgot to mention the battery grip. That way they may be able to keep it smaller and give people who want it extra size
@@jan_wegenerI agree. No stacked sensor but faster read-out. Also a big upgrade to the EVF for those of us with older eyes!
Current R7 control are fine in my opinion. just go to Fv then you got Av, Tv, & M in one mode.just need 2 wheel to set everything. One wheel scroll through iso, aperture, exp compensation, & shutter speed. Another wheel to set the value. What Canon need to improve the most are the readout speed & AF consistency. Also i wish things like Bigger buffer , use of CF express, & able to use battery grip will be available in next R7 camera.
@@adhi_atma I might be the only one to agree with you on the current controls :) lol But for me, sure, of course. I've only shot with two cameras for the last two years, and they are "both R7's" so yea, any change to the layout would just mess me up for a while. I guess I'd eventually get used to it. :)
@@adhi_atma I really like the buttons and dials of the R7. By assigning the lens control ring to aperture, I get immediate and familiar access to all elements of the exposure triangle. The nicer EF-RF adaptor also has a control ring for this purpose, and I like the placement of the main dial and dial around the joystick. Please don't mess with a good thing, Canon 😊
I'm fine with my R6 MII. Hate that I will lose resell value but only reason to upgrade for me would be for higher MP to crop. The sensor on R6 MII is decently fast though at times I do see some warping and blackout and the precapture definitely could be better but it's not worth shelling out for. Not to mention the good low light performance of the 24 MP sensor. I tend to feel far more limited by my 100-500 than my camera body.
How can I get a mini camera with lens? Key chain?
It’s a canon model to scale
I got it on eBay
Very cool. Thanks for the great videos
I'm really happy with my R6mII. The only camera that would solve all of the minor issues I have with it is the R5mII. The R6mIII's only benefit to me would probably be an increased AF accuracy. I'm fine with the readout speed of the R6mII, so I don't need a stacked sensor as long as the resolution doesn't increase. I'll keep saving for the R5mII.
Definitely looking forward to the R6iii. I have the R6i now and have transitioned into a lot more video work since I got it, so the iii will be a welcomed upgrade.
The camera body you ordered is probably the EOS R1
Yup I want a more upscale Canon R7. Similar size to their full frame bodies. I love the control layout on the current model unlike a lot of users here. But to each his own.
I would get the R7 Mark II if it allowed you to do in camera focus stacking with a flash.
Have an R6 mkii and R7. I'm split, definitely interested in the R6 mkiii but the R7 mkii appears more tempting.
R6 MK3 might come soon too....
I've already saved up the money I'm anxiously awaiting the release of the R7II
I would love to see a R7II with less rolling shutter, pre-capturing 1 s directly in 14 bit raw files and an improved AF.
I've never used the electronic shutter precisely because of the rolling shutter that results from the slow readout speed. In theory precapture is a great way to get around the reaction time when a bird explodes off of its perch, but in practice what's the point if you get the timing right but the image is distorted?
My wishlist is a much faster readout, better AF (especially BIF) and when the background is cluttered (common with animals, and particularly BIF with trees behind them), and a bigger buffer. Give me that and a significant increase in price over the original R7 will be perfectly acceptable.
thanks for update - any word on battery grip for r7 mk2
No
Been using my R7 since August of 2022 as an upgrade from my 80D. My only complaints with it are 1) the AF isn't sticky enough (so I've mapped a back button for focusing where I put it - without tracking - for when the AF misbehaves and 2) too much noise in dark situations. So I added an R6 Mark II to my kit this summer for low-light situations and for when I need a wider angle of view. I deliberately chose the 6 rather than the 5 because I'm not a sports shooter who needs a CF card - I'd rather stick with a pair of matching V90 cards.
So the last thing I want is an R5-style body and a stacked sensor! Just give me lower noise and R6/II style stickier autofocus!
How about a baby-R6/II with a 20 to 24mp APS-C sensor for less noise?
Hello Jan, thank you for this review. I have been watching all your recent review as I am ready to upgrade from my R6. I love the feel of my R6, and the R6 III that is coming out sounds amazing, but I’m a wildlife, bird and nature photographer and I feel that more megapixels is needed for situations when I need to crop in post processing.
Would you agree that the R5 II is really the best overall? I think this is what I’m leaning towards. But when I watch reviews on the new R7II 32 MP at a cheaper price? Thx for your help !
Agree in regards to the r7ii. I would add that the buffer needs improving too.
The dream R7-II attributes you list sound great for wildlife shooters; very much like a first-gen OM-1.
Stacked sensor would be great, only way to get pre capture. Also nikon and sony sensors perform great image quality wise stacked so canon just needs to figure out how to make it work without losing the quality.
Waiting for your comparison between the canon EOS R1 vs Sony Alpha 1 mark 2
Apsc is very balanced and at the sweet spot. I just sold my Canon R, Nikon Z8 and the R5. Going back to Apsc and probably getting the Pany GH7 because I miss the reach and the depth of field
I'm absolutely interested in a R7 II with the specs., you mentioned. I would use it for action and for bird photography. I am considering, if my full frame should be R5 or R5II because of the reasons, you mentioned regarding stacked sensors creating more noise. Thanks for sharing you videos. / Greetings from Per Christensen, Denmark, Europe, Northern Hemisphere, The World, the Universe.
Hey Jan, thanks for the updates!
I think an an R6-like R7 II, thats worth of its name would be great for Canon users, to increase their focal range, without having to take out a new mortgage. With a powerful processorhardware, a stacked sensor with its dynamic range drawbacks, would not be necessary. The last Canon APS-C Kamera that met the requirements of a more professional body was the 7d. For mine I payed around 1100 EUR at those times. Today, an R7 II should be possible for around 2000 EUR. The question is whether the market is big enough for such a camera. Apart from bird photographers, I don't see many users who should need one.
Would be thrilled with an R7Mii if it addresses some of the issues with the original version. I'm not really familiar enough with a stacked sensor to comment on that. My concerns would be MUCH better AF, fixing the rolling shutter, and better shots at high ISOs. Mine is horrible after 4000 ISO. Since I shoot a lot of birds in flight (and surfers), the rolling shutter in Electronic Shutter Mode is also an issue with the R7.
That would all be good points to be addressed
R6 user here that is holding out for the R6III. I had been tempted by the R6II, but never felt the cost/benefit was quite there for what I shoot. If the R6III brings the R3 sensor, upgraded AF, and the newer non-clunky pre-capture, I'll be quick to pre-order. I had an R7 for almost a year, tried to love it, but eventually broke up with it. I could be very tempted by a R7II if it becomes the true 7D2 mirrorless replacement it should be.
Thanks for sharing!
Yes you have right ,the biggest primes grab so much attention. I bought a new camo to my big and lot of people noticed it and some people asked if I make my living by photographing birds. White lenses grab more attention and that is why I use lens covers also for my zooms. Thanks for the news Cheers 😊
I do enjoy and hate my R7 . I mainly take BIF images and the R7 is only good up to ISO 800 with my EF 100-400 lS II 4.5-5.6 lens . Rolling shutter is a major problem and the auto tracking jumps on and off the subject constantly . I have learned over the years how to work around these issues and have gotten many a great shot but it has been a frustrating journey ! I wish Canon would make a dedicated nature camera for stills only , forget the video ! Love your content Jan and hope you are feeling well these days !
I shoot the R5 100-500. I’m in love with the lens! I’m not getting the R5ii for now. Holding out to see the R7ii. Weight is a factor for me. Getting that extra in camera crop with the R7ii is definitely interesting. I believe the crop on the R5 takes me to 20 MP. I wonder if we could have a full frame camera, that also has a decent crop built in? I’d love to see content on your impressions of the R5ii in crop mode AND the min. amount of pixels you consider acceptable for further crop in post.
R7mkii wish list
Bigger/higher resolution evf and back screen
stacked sensor
4k120
battery grip
otherwise just the same general improvements every new body gets. better af, precapture, etc
I have used my R7 for a year now and slowly its shortcomings start to annoy me. Unfortunately I shoot mostly in nature preservation areas where I cannot simply walk up to the animals so the extra reach from the crop sensor is a must for me. A faster sensor would be nice but there are so many quality of live improvements that Canon could do to make a R7 Mk. II outstanding: more reliable AF and subject detection, hassle-free preshooting, exposure metering proritizing subject (all done in R5 Mk. II)
Interesting. I've had my two R7's for two years now, and the shortcomings annoyed me a lot more in the beginning. As time has gone on though, I've gotten a lot better at working around all of their weaknesses, to get the shots that I want. Their are just SO many better cameras out there.... but none that can do for me, what the R7 can. So for now, I'm stuck with them.
Hi Jan, regarding the stacked sensors you have to remembrer that RUclipsrs insisted that the R5 II had to be with a stacked sensor. Good video Jan.
Well, it kinda needed one to get rid of these image wobbles, but that came with other downsides
90 k! 👏👏👏
Thanks, appreciate all of you 😀
My wish for R7ii: Fix the rolling shutter. Fix the pre-capture. Fix the buffer. Leave the body exactly as it is (especially the on, photo, video switch location and the simple but easy to use mode dial). I actually prefer my R7 (in the hand) to my R5.
There is in my testing quite a bit wrong with the R7 which canon needs to address in the next Gen if they hope to redeem themselves. The dodgy AF is one HUGE one and the lack of a fast reading card slot that can keep up with the FPS or the camera. The R7’s AF pitted with super tele lenses could not keep up with the 15FPS shooting and canon admitted to this. So I would love to see a pro APSC body from canon with a stacked sensor not just becuase it would read faster but also becuase we could eliminate the shutter shock becuase now the ES would be the primary way of shooting
So where is Canon supposed to get the Dynamic Range from? The last thing an apsc camera needs is to trade off its already limited DR for speed
re: R7ii, I'd take a fast non stacked sensor, even if just 24mp, but stacked would be fine too.Biggest thing for me is I hope they truly fine tune the firmware for actual best-in-class AF. If it has R6ii rolling shutter and AF performance I'd be more than happy.
My only major other gripe was the poor pre-capture implementation (making me skip the R8/6ii/5 as an upgrade), but that seems to be fixed and no doubt the R7ii will have the better pre-capture. Hence, I'm pretty sure the R7ii will be my next camera!
I won't be too picky about the sensor as long as the rolling shutter isn't as bad as it is now and if AF is majorly improved, which seems to be the case. Everything else is just extras, I'll take the extras if they add them (as long as price remains relatively fair for those extras), but it won't change my decision to buy or not. Something like a Fuji xh2s specs wise, at a similar price as they sell it, would be pretty much amazing, even if a few sacrifices are made to match that price, or they go slightly more expensive. 2000 usd seems fair though and I wouldn't wanna pay more than that!
As a seasoned amateur I am very happy with the R7. I am shooting citysacpes, landscapes, woodlands and portraits. For me the autofocus is absolutely sufficient. I wanted a camera that is about 1500 $, and that weighs less than 1 kg with decent tele lenses on it.
Great!
I think that makes you different than most R7 users. That the body and (limited) RF-S lenses are cheaper and lighter than FF options is great, but I think the vast majority of people with an R7 are looking for the extra reach that comes with a crop body because they're shooting things that tend to be far away and moving (often quickly). I imagine that Canon's target audience was the latter, but they gave us an R7 that seems designed more for the type of shooting that you do.
Thank you for another great, informative video. I really appreciated getting some news on the upcoming R7ii. Given its looking like another year until its likely release, I've taken advantage of the Black Saturday sales and now have the Canon R7. Like you, I've been getting a little wary of the compromises of some stacked sensors. While it would be great to have less wobbles or rolling shutter that the Canon R7ii may bring, if there was a loss of Image quality and dynamic range at high ISO's, that would be a big deal for me. And there would likely be a long wait for the better part of another year to find out just what the strengths of the R7ii would be.
I've already set up the costume button functions on the R7, including your recommended double back button auto focus, and while a different set up to my Canon R6 due to the different button lay out, I am getting used to the R7's layout quite quickly. The R7 certainly has its limitations, but with the Canon RF 100mm to 400mm it is giving me lots of reach in a small, light setup (even with microphone attached) that I can carry around in a large bum bag. This is going to be really good, as I will now be able to have a camera on me a lot more of the time, allowing me to capture more of those magical wildlife moments @GrampiansParadise that I have been missing. Aidan Banfield
Canon should keep the layout of the R7! Maybe add an extra wheel. But the joystick-wheel combination on the top is much more ergonomic. Increase the readout speed and please eliminate the shutter shock! I would be very happy if Canon would NOT touch the 30MP.
I so agree with you. At least I'm not alone in feeling that it is more ergonomic than the R5. I love it.
I love the R6 layout, and that stopped me from getting the R7
@@candacca That's like my problem now with the R7 it stops me liking the others 🙂!
R7 II also needs a better viewfinder. It’s that and the controls that really frustrate me on the R7. I don’t care about video as I never use it.
What mic do you use when shooting wildlife to get those clear sounds
Quite often just the built in one
Jan , you are the one that we rely on because not too many of us know what a stacked sensor even does here Jan .
Like even you have stated here Jan it's about time Canon does something in the len's department
to make some Bird Photography lenses .
I'm on the fence with having an R7ii with a stacked sensor. A number of times using RAW Burst to precapture a bird flying off does see a fair bit of rolling shutter in the wings. I mainly shoot mechanical when doing BiF, unless I'm in a precatpure situation. But if it comes at the cost of image quality and detail, maybe I can do without?!?!
But if the Xcelorator chip helps with more sticky AF, I'm all in on that. And keep the current form factor, I actually like the thumb dial. Just throw in a couple more custom buttons and maybe another 1 or 2 custom modes on the dial. I can do without a CFExpress card slot, V90s are just fast enough on my R7 (but pricier on a per GB/$). A nicer EVF and a 4 axis tilt screen would be a welcomed upgrade.
The R7 Mark II as described by you would be of great interest to me. In fact, I would definitely buy one and a price point up to $2500 US would be attractive. Someone asked me the other day for an opinion on wildlife camera gear and I did not recommend Canon at this time because of its pivot to sports, expensive lenses, and no access to 3rd party lenses. I'm a Canon guy and I own an R5 Mark II, and have some buyer remorse. At a cost of $4300, the upgrade from the R5 is the pre-capture (a GREAT feature), and everything else is neutral or, in the case of low light ability, worse. Most of its features support sports photography and other "people" photography. I have seen some big time You Tubers opine that the R5 and R5 II are pretty much a wash in regard to processing low light and I say, hogwash. Great video, thanks!
It all depends on the lights and subject as well. I can use iso 12800 and have low but decent light on the subject and then IQ will be great, but if you have a very dark bird, like the bird of paradise in this video, that also has an extremely bright throat, every bit of DR suddenly counts
@@jan_wegener Thanks for reminding us of this nuance that I originally learned from your R5ii video but somehow forgot, and almost regretted my decision to order a R5ii when you mentioned low light performance in this video 😅
I am looking forward to the new R7 especially the stack sensor and the improvement enrolling shutter as well as the new digit processor which should make focus in better. The one thing that bothers me right now is I haven’t heard anything about something I think is very necessary, professional for a professional gray camera And that is a battery grip. That is a very little camera and a battery grip would allow you to have two batteries and add some bulk to the camera and make it fitting your hand easier now that’s becoming a professional camera. It really should have a battery grip. Hopefully that is a missing item that just hasn’t been mentioned in the reviews and canon is considering it hope so,.
I love my R7. As soon as cameras with stacked sensors are released complaints about “poor dynamic range” abound in RUclips world. So sad. The R10 is also a great camera.
Stacked sensor is definitely the way to go, I just bright it up since I experienced it first hand between R5 and R5 II when photographing birds of paradise. I still prefer the R5 II, but it gives you a a headache sometimes
Better auto focus, quieter shutter and faster sensor would definitely get me to upgrade. Here’s hoping!
Would love to have a battery grip for large lenses.
I’m looking forward to a new R7. Waiting until that camera is released before I buy a new camera
Nice video. Any black friday discounts?
Great update Jan!
Glad you liked it!
Slight correction at ~ 00:41, A1MK2 is 50Mpix.
Ah yes hehe
Hi Jan, an R7ii with stacked sensor, digic accelerator AF and a CFxB slot sounds like a dream and no doubt it will include the pre-capture method. A stacked sensor would cure rolling shutter and significantly improve AF speeds .. but your low light concerns are of course valid as well. When the R7ii get a non-stacked sensor but a rolling shutter design with a readout speed below 10ms and better low light IQ than the current R7, then I think everybody would be happy 😛
I'd bet you ordered the R1 instead of the a1 ii. The a1 ii is great for Sony guys, but to me it looks like a maybe slightly better but overpriced R5ii
The original R7 had pre capture, no reason why the R7 Mkii wouldn't have it. It's slated to go upscale with a stacked sensor, a first for a crop sensor.
It's slated for Q4 2025 so likely end of year or early 2026 at this point.
@@num1hendrickfan I meant the 'old' pre-capture method (with the annoying container file) shall be replaced by the 'new' method as seen in R5ii & R1. I should have included the word 'new' in my first comment.
A stacked crop sensor would be a first for the big three, but I believe Fuji and certainly OM system already have one.
I would love a new upgraded R7 mk2 even if its twice as expensive as the mk1. I think I also would prefer an non stacked sensor, same resolution but faster and less rolling shutter. I have the R5 and love it, I also have the R7 and ...like it. The autofocus definitely have to be improved and the buffert have to be twice as big in my opinion. The mecanical shutter have to be quieter, less clonc, and the weather proofing maybe a bit better.
Well said!
The R7 just needs simple fixes. Like the ability to add a vertical/battery grip. A normal size frame would be great also. All the other things people are mentioning would send the price through the roof. Maybe make that and call it an R4 or something to differentiate it as a high end offering.
"A normal size frame"? You know the full frame mirrorless was around for several years before we got an APS-C body, and there are already plenty of FF bodies that have better capabilities than the R7, right?
@@OccamsToaster yes I am aware of everything you stated here. unfortunately nothing you said is relevant to the comment I made. There are many APSC cameras with normal size frames and the ability to use a vertical/battery grip. Those two things are currently the problem with the R7 that could be addressed and still keep the R7 in the price/performance bracket it currently occupies.
I think you ordered Canon R1 😍
I had an R7 and dumped it and went back to the 7DII. I found the buffering etc was so frustrating. Hopefully an R7II might solve all that. As for LR, I gave up on that also. LOL Technological Pterodactyl.
For me, being able to use flash with electronic shutter is a must, it makes focus stacking macro shots much, much better. I already have an R5II, so an R7II isn’t that attractive, I’d rather spend that money on a nice trip :)
Yes that's a good one, too
If the R7ii can fix all of its problems, I would switch back to Canon from Nikon.
The R7 with the 300 f2.8 version 2 was my favorite combo for the “look” I was going for AND portability. Amazing set up. But the wobble and rolling shutter and the out of focus frames were a deal breaker
Yes that camera can kinda drive you nuts
One of the best improvements they can make on the R7 mk II would be a battery grip if you’re using a big lens like a 600 mm balance is much better plus with two batteries you don’t have to worry about running out of power
agreed!
I’m mostly happy with the R7, but a faster sensor readout speed is a must, as is stickier autofocus and more video options (1080p 240ps minimum IMO). I DON’T want to see the video switch moved to the left side like R6ii/8/5ii, I’m too busy bracing a telephoto with my left hand!
Yes! The switch on the left is horrible
I love my R7 with RF 100-500 for birding, but I would definitely buy the Mark II if sensor readout was improved to reduce rolling shutter and the EVF had better resolution for assessment of image quality on the fly. Everything elses is gravy e.g. a larger buffer or improved AF. That said, the Mark I arrived in May 2022, and it seems too soon for an upgrade. Moreover, I just picked up the R5 at a great sale price, and it should satisfy me for a few more years.
By May 2025 it would be 3 years, which is less than the R6 turnover has been. So if it was announced maybe August and reliever a bit later it seems reasonable I’d say
That R7 II might be my Panasonic G9 replacement - just hope that the quirks of the R7 are ironed out!
Interesting news. The day after I take delivery of my R1 your video on a R7 mark II drops. I bought the R3 after i was disappointed with the R7 specs. We'll see what happens after real world testing of the R7 II. I'm hopeful and thanks for the video!
It’ll be a while before it would be available anyways
R7 mkii sounds very appealing if it has what’s on your wish list. Mine is the same, although I’d also love Clog2 to be in it too, which I think it will.
Also you mentioned in another video about doing a video on the Canon RF 100-300mm f2.8 soon, I’m yet to see many examples of how it performs with extenders, especially the 2x. The new song 300mm 2.8 seems to work great with their 2x, so would be interesting to see what the Canon lens is like.
The Sony definitely works extremely well with the TC
Itching for a R7 MKII - So disappointed by the numerous shutter issues that I sold my MKI within a month of buying it
Why the heck does everybody wish for a bigger size of the R7 successor? As an owner of one I'm happy it's not such a brick like the full frame models. The job of getting me back pain after a day out is still something the lens can do... Have you all giant shovels with big Fleischwurst-sausages at the end of your arms?
that's exactly what we got lol :D
Ooo, is Jan switching to Sony?!?! 🤭😉
Great and informative video, wit some beautiful photos as usual, Jan. I would love to see the r7 ii coming, and i am sure it will be a great camera. Only thing i am a bit un secure about is 32,5 mp on a stacked aps-c sensor. I think it would have been smart to lover the mp a bit, if it is stacked, to get a bit better low light performance. Maybe 26-28 mp instead. It would still have a lot of details, but probably also better in low light. I also hope that there will be a 600mm 6.3 or a 500mm 5.6, and maybe a 400mm 4.5 soon That 400mm or 500mm would have been great to pair with the upcoming r7 ii.
Wishing you and yours a great week/weekend.
Cheers, Bjoern
I like to see a modern sensor on the R7 II, if not it feels a bit outdated. However a solid cmos sensor is also fine, but rolling shutter should be reduced significantly. A small loss of dynamic range is not an issue for me.
Well said!
They are some really amazing cameras lined up. That is great news! But I really hope Canon focuses on those mid-range to affordable lenses - most are overpriced for hobbyist users and Nikon's making some really smart moves in that area. So many cameras and so few lens options!
I ditched the RP and bought the R7 as soon as it came out. Despite its quirks the R7 was such as huge improvement over the RP I just couldn't help but love it. The learning curve has been steep but after many thousands of photos and many hours of reading and watching reviews and setup guides I've gotten to the point where this little APS-C is dialed in and does pretty much everything I ask of it.
I hope Canon doesn't alter much of anything about the layout. For me and my XXL hands with age related reduced sensitivity in the fingers, adding more buttons/dials to an already crowded landscape wouldn't be appreciated. I own an R5 (and have owned an R6) and (probably because I use the R7 more) I like the R7 layout best. A battery grip for me isn't so much to do about the power as the grip. Getting that extra real estate would help me keep my fingers from bumping buttons and dials. And like others have said, when you hang a RF 200-800 on the little R7 and go shooting hand-held, you need some extra leverage.
Little things matter. Like the R5II, the R7II needs a tiny bit of noise added for the electronic shutter. That 'tactile noise' would help to bring me back to reality when rattling off 30 FPS.
I don't know enough about a stacked sensor to comment. Obviously I'd want less rolling shutter and wobbly AF, however they might achieve it. What I'd really like to see, and I don't hear it mentioned a lot, is even less lag time in the EVF. I keep my trusty 90D around just for it's APS-C sensor and optical viewfinder and little birds-in-flight like swallows.
I own the R7 because of the reach. I'll always have an APS-C for that reason. I'll always have a FF for landscape work and photographing my art in studio. I spent the $$ and bought the RF 200-800 so I could use the R5 with all of its attributes more for birds.
Last but not least, thank you Jan for all you do. I use your set-up guides as a base for my R-7 and R-5 configuration and just bought your LR tutorial for use this Winter.
I have an R7. With my budget. I keep thinking of either R7.2 or second hand R5.1
I use an EF 400 f4 DO. Until an RF version materializes, no upgrade for my 1DX.
hey Jan does canon rumours say anything about when it will be released?
Later 2025 but these dates can always change
@@jan_wegener thanks Jan!
while the A1-2 is appealing I'm too heavily invested in glass for canon - The oh wow we've had way more interest than we expected has gotten past the ridiculous! - I pre-ordered the new Z lens from Canon in the 70-200 - B&H says they have no time frame on my order or when I can expect it - the original ship date was Nove 14 -
Sigma already make the excellent 500mm 5.6 for L and E mount. Sony just need to remove the daft decision to not allow teleconverters on third party lenses for E mount. And if it wasn’t for Canons restrictions we’d see it in RF for sure. But E and L mount shooters do have a small, excellent tele available now for not a lot of money.
a global shutter and a battery grip for the EOS R7 MKII will be nice. But still keep shooting with my R5 MKI and R3.
Global shutter would definitely not happen, grip hopefully
Because I haven't had my R6-II very long, and the price of what I would guess the R6-III would bring, I'll be staying with the version 2. Would I replace my R7 with an R7-II? Hard to say. The initial $2500 US which is more than I paid for my R6-II would be a turn-off. I would sit tight on my R7 unless I could sell quite a bit of my unused gear to offset the cost, but with all of those improvements that were talked about on this video I would expect the price to be around the $2600 to $2800 mark putting it out of my budget even after selling some of my gear.
I am not sure about the fear from Canon/Sony cannibalizing their large aperture prime lens sales. The vast majority of hobbyist photographers will rarely splurge the $10K+ for those lenses. The pros and the deep pocketed amateurs will still buy them; which I assume is where their current sales are. The sweet spot is in the $5-8K range IMO. Canons STM f/11 lenses are a little sub-par in performance. I rather pay a little more and get better performance like the Nikon PF primes. If Nikon's AF catches up to the Sony, I can see myself switching platforms again just for their lens line up. Sony doesn't even offer any choices in this range, which is disheartening. When a third-party offers an alternative, Sony will limit its capability, so there's that BS caveat. Being able to hand hold a 400, 500, 600 or 800mm lens for extended periods is awesome. Not every photographer wants to lug around a tripod or monopod. Especially people hiking or chasing small birds.
A lot of the stacked sensor issues are because of high megapixel Jan. R3 doesn't have any issues (nor the R1 by any account I've been able to see). A 32mp R7II would be a disaster imho - it's equivalent to a 82mp FF camera and that is just way overkill. A good sweet spot would be a 18mp stacked sensor, which is equivalent to a 45mp FF camera.
The R7 has much more wrong with it, including poor buffer, terrible button UI layout, terrible EVF, and as you mentioned, poor AF (Canon have already admitted that the AF pulsing with the R7 is due to the pixel size and lower light hitting each pixel for the AF sub systems).
A lower mp APS-C BSI stacked sensor, with a better buffer and CFE B slot(s) would help alleviate nearly all of the current R7 design issues.
I'll be my usual blunt self - it's a sub-standard offering from Canon (who has also done an ultra poor job on APS-C lenses...).
I'll take a R7 MkII with R5 MkII AF and body style.
Improvements to image quality would be the only reason I would upgrade to a newer R7 model over my original R7. I would need to have better ISO performance (measurable & visibly lower noise and less loss of detail) at ISO's 3200 to 10000 and improved dynamic range. I would also like to see better AF/tracking performance; and perhaps faster readout/less rolling shutter. If you can improve the EVF or rear screen visibility/brightness (especially when used in strong daylight) - great but not absolutely necessary! I don't want more bells and whistles. Just improve the sensor performance! Keep the size/weight similar. Don't need battery grip - will carry an extra battery if necessary.
fingers crossed
IQ > Stacked sensor. Keep mechanical shutter for fast subjects, but compromising IQ on a sensor size that already loses light vs ff would be a bad idea.
For still photography non stack camera is better
I would get the R7 ll for sure if under $2500.
How about a R5 equivalent sensor for the R7 in an aps format. Faster sensor better low light performance and less rolling shutter. Quicker sensor processing to help the auto focus. Would not be stacked can't afford noiser pictures than I have now
I like that line of thinking
Personally not interested in an R7ii but I know plenty of people are, much more interested in an R6iii if it has a stacked sensor and CFe cards and proper pre capture.
I'm pretty happy with my R6ii except for the video switch which I can't reach with my right hand and paired with my 200-800 zoom it's a great combination especially at beaches and estuaries but I'd like another zoom with a brighter aperture for shooting in forests and low light: perhaps a 100-500mm f/2.8-5.6 or 100-400mm f/2.8-4 ?
If I could afford it and Canon choose to make it a 200-800mm f/2.8-5.6 would be my dream lens but it would be very expensive of course.
can pls tell me why some would buy sony a1ii over Canon R5ii ??
It can take Sony lenses ;)
I'm all in on the Sony A1II. RAW pre-capture, A9III body and AI processing chip are worth the price of admission alone. I don't get those complaining about Sony not adding some of these features in a firmware update. Do these people expect to take their 4-year old HiLux back to Toyota to have it upgraded to the latest iteration ... of course not. You don't buy a camera for features it may have added in the future ... you buy it because it works for you today.
Well said. I think it is a fantastic update, but I suppose we always like to expect something crazy
Ted's had a one day nikon sale this month and I snagged a Z8 for just over $5000.
I'm super keen on a canon R6III, it sounds like exactly the camera I want & at a good price. However Canon really doesn't have the mid-range glass to back it up. They have plenty of cheap lenses & plenty of amazing high-end lenses, but really fall short in this price range. I don't think I would be able to justify it, cause they simply don't have the glass I need for the way & what I shoot. If the RF mount for full frame glass isn't open to at least sigma by the time I am ready for an upgrade, I think I'll be forced to choose a Sony A7IV or maybe an A7V if that is out by the time, even though I would not be happy about it due to the very slow shooting of 5-7fps, depending on my settings.
What sort of lens do you need?
@jan_wegener i'de be looking something like a 200-600 6.3 like is on Sony, the very good Nikon 180-600 or even the sigma DN 60-600 which is apparently better than the Sony 200-600 for sharpness zoomed all the way in and less focus breathing.
I know Canon has the 200-800, but at F9, with the higher ISOs I would be shooting, I would loose all the dynamic range advantage I would theoretically gain over shooting cropped with an f5.6 lens like I currently do. I also find 400mm with the 1.6 Canon crop limits me less than not having enough light - a 600 6.3 would work far better since I gain a little zoom & better DR from a full frame body while only loosing 1/3rd stop of apature.
The other sticking point for me is Canon's lack of mid - range primes. I find it useful to have something like a small wide angle prime like the 16mm f2.8 on Canon, but it's image quality is quite poor by all reports, i'de much rather the sigma 17mm f4. Their f1.4 primes are also outrageously priced compared to equivalent sigma lenses which are just as good.
At least Canon finally came out with a 28-70 f2.8 that's not toooo expensive, but it still costs 50% more than the equivalent sigma lens. I'm not sure lens IS is worth that much to me, especially since whatever body I buy will have IBIS. Also seriously Canon, you charge 1600 AUD for a lens & it doesn't ship with a hood? Do better.
I'de rather be stuck with a body that doesn't quite do what I want for a while, but have a great set of lenses & only have to upgrade the body when a better option comes up, or I can afford better, than buy a body that's great now & a bunch of lenses that don't quite do what I want. That way in 10 years I'm stuck with an out of date body and lenses I don't want.
I thought the Sony A1 mkii announcement was a massive disappointment. I was expecting a much more dramatic revision. I'll wait until the reviews come out before I pass final judgement, though.
I think Nikon covers most of the wants; telephotos, good AF, high resolution, and speed. Oh, all whilst being cheaper than the competition.
Canon FINALLY COPYING Nikon? Finally? Historical hysterical. Canon started making cameras with lenses from Nippon Kogaku (that's how Nikon was called before it got called Nikon). And then they went rogue to make their own lenses - that was "copying Nikon" already. At a point when Nikon had a head start of decades in designing and making lenses.
The title of worst Black Friday offer definitely goes to Topaz !
I would love to see smaller cheaper telephoto lenses that are stil faster then the standaard zoom options nikons 600 f6.3 is nice but it would have sold better if it was a 600 f5.6 or f5. Personally i would dream of a smaller 500mm lens with an f5 aputure that would even be with a 2x tc an f10 which on the right day could be doable but is a lot lighter then my current 500mm f4 also a 400f 3.5 would be fantastic. I think manufacturers are holding on the “standard” but i think if they dare to step of those standards then could have really good selling lenses
Thanks.....