Believe me, that's gonna happen but in version 7.X or something cuz we haven't complete a lot of plot points in the story: • Factions - there are still many factions we haven't explore yet, even the Architects from Belobog • Aeons & Paths - before a new Aeon born, we should familiarize ourselves with all the Aeons that exist so far. Amphoreus will probably cover the Erudition, Enigmata, Remembrance while the paths we explored so far are Preservation, Hunt, Abundance, Harmony, and Order. There are still 10 more we haven't explore.
I do think that an entity will ascend to Aeonhood in the near future within the game of HSR or alternative relevant media but will be a major plot point describing the hidden, dark nature of the imaginary tree and why it is the square root of negative numbers. It will be cool to eventually travel to the roots of the imaginary tree where this so called “negative energy” lies that drastically changes the perception of the narrative and why Aeonhood should not be desired due to this reason. Rather, a plan to escape the imaginary tree should be conceived before the consumption process happens.
That’s what I think too. The possibility of someone actually ascending into one is far far away still Despite all the things we have seen in the story… we have only been “traveling” (the game getting out to the public) for a year and a few months. We are only starting
@@koteghe7600Yeah I agree, SU, Ruan Mei’s little quest, Firefly’s backstory and the Argenti quest all give us a little view into what the propagation was like
Imagine an equivalent to Post Honkai Odyssey taking place ten or a hundred Amber Eras after the main story of the game. This could allow the introduction of new Aeons, Paths and factions.
I still subscribe to what boothill says about the paths. The idea of paths are just how humans describe something that they can’t perceive so I think welt and Himeko are saying what the current science theory is rather than what is a fact Especially since the idea that the aeon exists then the path exists doesn’t make sense with how the harmony absorbed the order Humans have no way of knowing if a path exists until the see an aeon of that path similar to how we only now that the wind is there because we can feel it see and see it’s effect on other things but it took decades of learning to actually figure out why the wind blows
@@quaremoritor Ascending to Aeonhood and becoming an emanator are not the same thing An emanator is merely a being with the ability to utilise most of the abilities given by their path Ascending to become the Aeon of a Dead/Absorbed path should be impossible due the nature of how the paths work If Sunday REALLY wanted to ascend he would have needed to make a new path for his belief (aka completely embody a new concept yet to be made into a path)
well im about 90% sure that ruan mei will succeed horribly in her ascencion and im fairly certain we definitively will become some kind of Aeon... we also have the Aeon of Finallity confirmed to exist (im sure its hsr's version of Kianna)
@@heppelhopv2yes and no ? What I mean is that maybe the avatar of terminus could a Kiana expy or even Kiana. Tho terminus themselves ( as well as other aeons ) doesn’t possess really genre.
@@PA70805 That's literally what I said. If we ever see Terminus' avatar it'll look like Kiana. Maybe the mortal that ascended to Terminus would be a kiana expy (a character export, tho not the same character but a stand-in,that's what an expy)
I think the creation/birth of a new Aeon would be a fantastic story-wise way to add a new playable path to the game, should they ever actually do that. I know there are currently several paths in the game that aren’t playable and could be made so, but I would love to participate in a in game event where something the player does leads to the creation of a new Aeon before our eyes, and the characters that follow them suddenly become playable characters following this new path
But the thing is, playable paths are just analogies for classes in RPGs,like healers and what not. So what would a Beauty character role's be? Cause most paths are just too narrow if translated to gameplay
something that would be interesting to discuss is if there are already other aeons that we don't know about yet right now most of the things we know about them come from the SU, but maybe there are some lesser known aeons that not even the geniuses know about especially because the original video that introduces most of the aeons we know now, it's called part 1 and so this make me think that hoyo is definitely cooking more aeons
It is impossible to have aeon who no one know because with the amount of people of these civilization They can stay in the path of any aeon existing So no aeon can’t hide their existence Unless they can stop people enter their path
@@liaartist3671 I'm pretty sure Sunday just borrowed power or became an emanator of the order. He wasn't about to ascend. Hence why he was jealous when tb received Harmony's gaze but not him..
@@heppelhopv2 he not jealous Just suprise when outsider ( not even people who stay in same path) can get the recognize from the aeon Sunday not need the recognize of aeon His goal is something even the aeon can’t achieve so there is nothing he want from the aeon, so he not have any reason to jealous
@@vietcuongnguyenle8530 Oh right, irrc Sunday wanted to basically be the sole pillar carrying the dreamscape(I think he might've been coerced into doing it by Gopher Wood but I'm not sure), and it was originally planned for robin to take up the role but Sunday volunteered instead. Truly a tragic villain, the bird who never got a chance to fly 😔🙏
Imo the most potential characters that could ascend within the game or rival an aeon through a way or another could be TBZ, ruan Mei, Acheron ( with device IX story ) and maybe another ?
It makes no since how Yaoshi has not made Ruan Mei an Emanator of Abundance. Context clues tell me, especially with her name drop in this current arc, she is about to be the Rainbow Arbiters new op
While being an Emanator of Abundance could fit with Ruan Mei, she's more akinned to the idea of "Propagation" as she's making life while not sustaining life/enbodying the idea of healing others. Emanators of Abundance also don't seem to follow these ideas but accepting and prolonging for the idea of true immortality, so despite my example earlier, it seems that Emanators of Yaoshi are more favorable for their accepting of THEIR immortality. TL;DR: Ruan Mei can't become a Emanator of Yaoshi due to her entire goals/experiments don't revolve around accepting THEIR immortality/utilizing and prolonging life. The only path Ruan Mei is more closest to is the Propagation. (Bonus: I think we strided the Path of Propagation based on the Critter Pick Event due to us just creating life similarly to Tayzzyronth and the Swarm duplicating endlessly)
@@S-Ace i mean its based around her actions and motives, its already implied as well. I only made a gues what path of her is. But I can be wrong since the leaks can be wrong, dont take my word from it since everything can be changed at anytime.
Ruan mei goal is achieve the highest level of life form We don’t know why she want it But we know it not stay in the path of any aeon except nous since it can be consider is achieve knowledge
My hypothesis is that the only purpose of the Imaginary tree’s existence is to serve as a “breeding ground” for the synthesis of Aeons. The only plausible reason why civilization exists on the imaginary tree is to generate plausible circumstances for its civilians to ascend to Aeonhood. Aeons can be metaphorically described as the “fruit” of the imaginary tree and thus guardians of the tree until something comes and consumes the “fruit” aka concept. It is why I think that Aeonhood in HSR is ultimately a trap ever since the formation of the imaginary tree to “harvest” the fruits of imagination. Their primum mobile for example restricts their identity to one axis similarly how a fruit is confined to a certain branch. Aeons are just dangling on the tree trapped for eternity until their consumption.
You’re mixing up a lot of things here. It wouldn’t make sense for a “concept” to be the one consuming the aeons, as the aeons are the embodiment of the concepts. They are like wills seeking to be carried out in the chessboard of the universe. So whoever would do the consuming would have to be an extradimensional being. This, however, is purely hypothetical. And there’s no reason to be believe this harvesting is a thing. A likely possibility though is that the coordinator of will from ggz exists in HSR as well, and might be controlling this universe. You also mentioned that the only plausible reason for civilisations existing is to make aeons. But this is wrong. Aeons are only confirmed to exist in the universe of HSR. In Honkai impact, different universes in the imaginary tree are approached by the finality in the form of the Honkai to assimilate them into their civilisation. When Kiana takes the authority of finality she essentially compatibilizes the existence of the finality and humanity. This is probably the endgame of hsr as well, because terminus is literally the aeon of finality (has similar powers to kiana). It’s also basically been confirmed that the universe of hsr is in samsaras that terminus takes them from one to another. Failed attempts at embracing finality, basically.
It is important to recall that it is hypothesized that in GGZ that the imaginary “tree” is the supposed decaying “remains” of Zeus; someone who was notorious for consuming multiple concepts from other powerful entities. I also don’t think that the imaginary tree is a tree shape but rather the shape of a circle or complex exponential function. This is because of the cyclical nature of imaginary numbers and complex exponentials where e^0i=1, e^(ipi/2)=i, e^(ipi)= -1, e^(i1.5pi)= -i, and e^(i2pi)=1. Also, i^0=1,i^1=i i^2=-1, i^3=-i, i^4=1, and i^5=i. Notice that e^(ipi)=i^2=-1. This outlines the samsara nature you have described to exist in the universe of hsr to fit within the nature of imaginary numbers and the complex exponential numbers as they describe the universe in a cyclical nature where imaginary powers oscillate between values of 1,i, -1, and -i. This also connects the lore of HSR to the mechanical gameplay of HSR as zero cycling memory of chaos seems to indicate a conscious of a microscopic samsara process. I think it is important to consider the relevance that gameplay has with the story of HSR. Various mechanics such as cycles, action value, and blended pathology hint at the importance of gameplay. For example, Robin primarily functions as a harmony character but also deals massive single target damage hinting at elements of both harmony and hunt. Also, Sparkle also functions as a harmony character but also supports follow up attackers with one of her traces and is part of the masked fools signifying elements of both harmony and elation. Paths are becoming increasingly interconnected with various concepts slowly merging together until they eventually assimilate into one grand path. The imaginary tree’s purpose just like any other tree is to survive, grow, and reproduce. The Aeons serve as the guardian backbones of the tree, the Honkai serves as a regulator of growth, and the eventual merging of paths signifies the production of fruit. Fruit which yields recombinant ideologies and new trees when everything comes full circle; a complete cycle.
@@awesome7006 dude, you’re grasping at straws. Just because robin deals damage with her ult doesn’t mean she has a hunt connection 😭 and there isn’t any reason to talk about imaginary equations making the cyclical nature of the universes when it’s confirmed to be finality. Please drop the tinfoil hat
I would love to have some aeons playable, of course not all of them would work, I mean we won't be playing as IX or Nous anytime soon, but I would love to see Yaoshi, Xipe or the aeon of enigmata playable towards the last patches of star rail
Leaks say Ruan Mei is hinted to ascend at some point in the future. Take that with a grain of salt though. I'd prefer that the Emanators are the focus of power, narrative-wise. Aeons, in my opinion, are like powerful, all encompassing sidenotes in the story. So much revolves around them but the story of the individual mortals are what drives the existence and meaning of the game.
@@heppelhopv2 sure, but I think without a doubt some of the aeons are active characters in the story without a doubt. Many of them ascended from humans, don’t forget. And it’s obvious that some of them are overarching antagonists
Someone here made a video about the theory of Ratio becoming an Aeon, and while I don't want him to lose his life to Aeonhood I also want him to finally achieve on such a wide scale
If we assume Kafka was telling the truth I feel it's more likely that the third option Kafka mentioned will be how we kill Nanook. It's a Chekov's gun scenario I think they bring up three ways an aeon can be killed but never mentioning what the third way is feel awfully suspicious
3:00 i want to debunk this part about Welt and Himeko saying coz this is not a fact this is what the char/mortal think of what happen, which is still 100% subject. I think it actually the opposite, path exist first aeon later, the reason a path is only known to mortal as if it only been created thanks to aeon ascension is becoz before an aeon ascend the path itself is incomprehensible but always exist, until an aeon ascend to a path for the first time, it become more comprehensible to mortal. Think of it like the natural law of physic, it always exist around us but we just don't know about it or have a name for it yet until someone do it, like Gravity would still exist even if Newton never exist, Newton definitely didn't create gravity but he did give it a name and help us understanding it. On topic of ascension, i already explain in cmt of another video but in short accessing a path fully with an aeon still present is not possible and using the term "access" is not very correct in case of ascending, it more how deep a person understanding of a path/ideology. The reason why it not possible to fully access a path with an aeon still present are : 1. the pathstrider and aeon will have different life exp, different perspective and understanding on the path which mean a pathstrider more than likely to diverge on their journey instead of walking on the same path as the aeon 2. A path can only have 1 aeon like there could only be 1 king sitting on the throne so even if someone manage to walk the same path and able to understanding a path so deep they would still be stuck 99% as long as there is still an aeon reside over that path
About terminus yeah and no ? What I mean is that terminus could be both the representation of beginning and end of everything within the tree ( + the tree ) so he might exist both in the past, present and future of all things kinda. Tho for now it’s a bit hypothetical
i believe the path is a belief that is seperate from the aeon, and the aeons are the farthest along the path they are on aeons in my opinion are able to gather the power of all others on their path in some way, and is given by being the farthest along on their path, which is why there is only one aeon per path this is mainly from a story concept ive read before and is probably incorrect but is cool to think along these lines the event with xipe with paths of harmony and order, is prior, harmony and order paths were seperate, but they happened to be close enough to attach, merge, or meld the path of order into the path of harmony. This then takes in the followers of order into the followers of harmony, but also strips away ena's aeonhood as xipe is the farthest upon the path of harmony and the path of order has surrendered its power to the path of harmony there is probably also two ways to try and be an aeon, but in effect one, with a natural embodiment like a true belief, vs a development of understanding, and deeper understanding
The emanator theory is interesting, because in Xueyi character story 3 she use the “THEY” pronounce for Shuhu who should be an emanator. However, the mere fact that Shuhu has multiple forms suggest that Shuhu either can shapeshift into anything or having clones. I think it would both, because most of the XZ encounters with Shuhu only have them seen one form of Shuhu. Therefore, I believe only the original Shuhu can actually shapeshift, the clones can’t.
Aeons the trailblazer can possibly ascend to: Aeon of creation* the reason i say aeon of creation is because nannok is the aeon of destruction so its the opposite 2: aeon of trailblaze* their are so much hints the tb might be akivili SU the dream bubble in penacony where pom pom ask if we plead guilty and we can choose the different voices when we respond our name is akivili Theory: what if the honkai hsr universe is a stage? Hear me out their are alot of hints.. first sampo and sparkle breaking the 4th wall in belobog ending sampo literally broke the 4th wall and said somehing about audience which is sus but in the animation from offical honkai star rail channel sparkle broke the 4th wall what if.. what if the honkai star rail story is a play aha is the one sharing the story and us the players are the audience playing the pov of the charcters sampo and sparkle just make sure everthing in the play/stage happen perfectly think about it makes so much sense aha is the master mind the final villain...
It would be interesting if someone who has extensive knowledge about biology meet someone who have a corpse or remnants of an aeon. Maybe a new aeon would be born or be revived like what sunday tried
I believe that the only ones capable of fixing the xianshou's DNA problems regarding immortality is ruan mei and her fellow genius society members. If only they were curious and not introverted to some point. 😅
what's some parts into 2 because don't what's to be a aeon so apart of them become the aeon like in kirby, fecto elfilis this exist after spliting into 2, in the creation/existence elfilin
I don't think there would be aeon of apocalypse or death because so far we introduce aeon path is an extreme reaction to some event and that is why I think Ruan Mei will fail to become aeon, you can not become aeon for the sake to become aeon
How do you convince an aeon of nihility to turn you into an emanator? I guess you dont ask, you just take their power. The hard part it's meeting them first of all, then i assume you need to be extremely strong/determined or protected by something else, like "naught". Following this logic, maybe acheron took as much power from IX as she tought she could handle (and still ended kinda backfiring with all the memory losses), or maybe she was afraid to end up becoming IX. Either way i think acheron's pursuit of ending the aeon isnt a selfish act of revenge, but a necessary act, at least in her eyes.
Thats the point, ix gives the power of their path freely “the shadow of nihility cover the stars equally” - Pom-Pom’s intel | emanator special its power nonetheless but because nihility also comes with a myriad of mental and physical illnesses, using its power would be like touching a live wire with your soul In Acheron case she took in such a massive amount of nihility power she became an emanator by default.
What if another Aeon can like Acheron use as much power of nihility as possible? Then this Aeon would also be an emanator of nihility as well. There is nothing stopping Aeons from emanating other Aeons as long as it falls within their designated primum mobile. For example HooH can emanate Harmony through Harmonic oscillation (in Harmonic oscillation stable and unstable equilibrium occur when the potential energy function changes from increasing to decreasing or decreasing to increasing). This still falls within equilibrium but occupies harmony as well. HooH can also emanate nihility as if the forces equate to zero in a system; then it can be interpreted that all force is meaningless thus equilibrium emanating nihility.
@@awesome7006 An emanator is one given power by an aeon. The same way a baby is born from a mother, a mother can't be born from a baby. What you described are aeons and paths with possible overlaps
3:15 please don't use ai images in the future, stock images can convey your point just as good and not use other artists work without their permission or creating huge ecological damages, thanks
1:40.Only in the Chinese original they are clearly called star gods and use divine pronouns for them. Even our genius recognizes them as gods. Also, before you say anything, study the material better than the localization.
I mean Cocolia in her Boss Fight can be seen as a sort of Proto Aeon. Her Name is Cocolia Mother of Deception there. So we may have allready stoped the Birth of an new Aeon.
I do consider Cocolia in her cosmic form to be a kind of embryo to a new path similar to Sunday’s attempt. This is due to Cocolia’s aeon like appearance with stars surrounding her body hinting at an attempt to ascendance. This is probably due to the Stellarons serving as the “fruit” of the imaginary tree designed to be consumed by its inhabitants (people) in order to grant them the opportunity to ascend into more Aeons. It perfectly fits the intention of the imaginary tree which is to survive, grow, and reproduce with the Aeons serving as controllable offspring; the imaginary energy from the tree is probably the reason why the primum mobile exists. Just like fruit in real life, the stellarons are rich in nutrients and are sweet luring those like Cocolia and Sunday to consume the fruits and ascend into Aeonhood.
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By the end of this game you’ll ascend to be the aeon of lore
Nah. The aeon of Trashcans
I think the Mc might ...but idk what will it be
@@Farne536 Pretty much Aeon of Quantum-sea
I mainly want to see someone ascending into an aeon on screen. The whole nine yards
Believe me, that's gonna happen but in version 7.X or something cuz we haven't complete a lot of plot points in the story:
• Factions - there are still many factions we haven't explore yet, even the Architects from Belobog
• Aeons & Paths - before a new Aeon born, we should familiarize ourselves with all the Aeons that exist so far. Amphoreus will probably cover the Erudition, Enigmata, Remembrance while the paths we explored so far are Preservation, Hunt, Abundance, Harmony, and Order. There are still 10 more we haven't explore.
I do think that an entity will ascend to Aeonhood in the near future within the game of HSR or alternative relevant media but will be a major plot point describing the hidden, dark nature of the imaginary tree and why it is the square root of negative numbers. It will be cool to eventually travel to the roots of the imaginary tree where this so called “negative energy” lies that drastically changes the perception of the narrative and why Aeonhood should not be desired due to this reason. Rather, a plan to escape the imaginary tree should be conceived before the consumption process happens.
I think propagation is kinda covered by SU?
That’s what I think too. The possibility of someone actually ascending into one is far far away still
Despite all the things we have seen in the story… we have only been “traveling” (the game getting out to the public) for a year and a few months. We are only starting
@@koteghe7600Yeah I agree, SU, Ruan Mei’s little quest, Firefly’s backstory and the Argenti quest all give us a little view into what the propagation was like
Imagine an equivalent to Post Honkai Odyssey taking place ten or a hundred Amber Eras after the main story of the game.
This could allow the introduction of new Aeons, Paths and factions.
I still subscribe to what boothill says about the paths.
The idea of paths are just how humans describe something that they can’t perceive so I think welt and Himeko are saying what the current science theory is rather than what is a fact
Especially since the idea that the aeon exists then the path exists doesn’t make sense with how the harmony absorbed the order
Humans have no way of knowing if a path exists until the see an aeon of that path similar to how we only now that the wind is there because we can feel it see and see it’s effect on other things but it took decades of learning to actually figure out why the wind blows
The fact that Sunday wasn't mentioned at all in this video is absolutely wild to me...
Sunday didn't even intend to ascend to aeonhood.
All sunday did was harness the power of a dead aeons path
not directly creating a new one as most aeons have done
Why would he be mentioned ?...
He was about to ascend before our very eyes
@@quaremoritor Ascending to Aeonhood and becoming an emanator are not the same thing
An emanator is merely a being with the ability to utilise most of the abilities given by their path
Ascending to become the Aeon of a Dead/Absorbed path should be impossible due the nature of how the paths work
If Sunday REALLY wanted to ascend he would have needed to make a new path for his belief (aka completely embody a new concept yet to be made into a path)
well im about 90% sure that ruan mei will succeed horribly in her ascencion and im fairly certain we definitively will become some kind of Aeon... we also have the Aeon of Finallity confirmed to exist (im sure its hsr's version of Kianna)
I quite doubt it, the Aeon of Finality is confirmed to be Terminus
@@Natoreo but have we seen it's form yet? It's not completely out of the question that an aeon could be an expy..
@@heppelhopv2yes and no ?
What I mean is that maybe the avatar of terminus could a Kiana expy or even Kiana.
Tho terminus themselves ( as well as other aeons ) doesn’t possess really genre.
@@PA70805 That's literally what I said. If we ever see Terminus' avatar it'll look like Kiana. Maybe the mortal that ascended to Terminus would be a kiana expy (a character export, tho not the same character but a stand-in,that's what an expy)
@@heppelhopv2 it’s just that in your first answer avatar part didn’t appear.
I think the creation/birth of a new Aeon would be a fantastic story-wise way to add a new playable path to the game, should they ever actually do that. I know there are currently several paths in the game that aren’t playable and could be made so, but I would love to participate in a in game event where something the player does leads to the creation of a new Aeon before our eyes, and the characters that follow them suddenly become playable characters following this new path
But the thing is, playable paths are just analogies for classes in RPGs,like healers and what not. So what would a Beauty character role's be? Cause most paths are just too narrow if translated to gameplay
something that would be interesting to discuss is if there are already other aeons that we don't know about yet
right now most of the things we know about them come from the SU, but maybe there are some lesser known aeons that not even the geniuses know about
especially because the original video that introduces most of the aeons we know now, it's called part 1 and so this make me think that hoyo is definitely cooking more aeons
I suppose they did it that way so that they wouldn’t spoil much. Sunday should have appeared in this video too, for example
It is impossible to have aeon who no one know because with the amount of people of these civilization
They can stay in the path of any aeon existing
So no aeon can’t hide their existence
Unless they can stop people enter their path
@@liaartist3671 I'm pretty sure Sunday just borrowed power or became an emanator of the order. He wasn't about to ascend. Hence why he was jealous when tb received Harmony's gaze but not him..
@@heppelhopv2 he not jealous
Just suprise when outsider ( not even people who stay in same path) can get the recognize from the aeon
Sunday not need the recognize of aeon
His goal is something even the aeon can’t achieve so there is nothing he want from the aeon, so he not have any reason to jealous
@@vietcuongnguyenle8530 Oh right, irrc Sunday wanted to basically be the sole pillar carrying the dreamscape(I think he might've been coerced into doing it by Gopher Wood but I'm not sure), and it was originally planned for robin to take up the role but Sunday volunteered instead. Truly a tragic villain, the bird who never got a chance to fly 😔🙏
Sunday was about to become an Aeon of Philosphy but we had to stop him :
Imo the most potential characters that could ascend within the game or rival an aeon through a way or another could be TBZ, ruan Mei, Acheron ( with device IX story ) and maybe another ?
...this has to be foreshadowing
It makes no since how Yaoshi has not made Ruan Mei an Emanator of Abundance. Context clues tell me, especially with her name drop in this current arc, she is about to be the Rainbow Arbiters new op
While being an Emanator of Abundance could fit with Ruan Mei, she's more akinned to the idea of "Propagation" as she's making life while not sustaining life/enbodying the idea of healing others. Emanators of Abundance also don't seem to follow these ideas but accepting and prolonging for the idea of true immortality, so despite my example earlier, it seems that Emanators of Yaoshi are more favorable for their accepting of THEIR immortality.
TL;DR: Ruan Mei can't become a Emanator of Yaoshi due to her entire goals/experiments don't revolve around accepting THEIR immortality/utilizing and prolonging life. The only path Ruan Mei is more closest to is the Propagation.
(Bonus: I think we strided the Path of Propagation based on the Critter Pick Event due to us just creating life similarly to Tayzzyronth and the Swarm duplicating endlessly)
All I can say about this, is that Ruan Mei's actions could lead to the path of Creation.
Also if you know the leaks you know.
@@MrBlind-kr4vq 🤦🏾♂️ no I don’t “read the manga” by thanks for the potential spoilers I guess. The implications tell a lame story though ngl
@@S-Ace i mean its based around her actions and motives, its already implied as well. I only made a gues what path of her is. But I can be wrong since the leaks can be wrong, dont take my word from it since everything can be changed at anytime.
Ruan mei goal is achieve the highest level of life form
We don’t know why she want it
But we know it not stay in the path of any aeon except nous since it can be consider is achieve knowledge
My hypothesis is that the only purpose of the Imaginary tree’s existence is to serve as a “breeding ground” for the synthesis of Aeons. The only plausible reason why civilization exists on the imaginary tree is to generate plausible circumstances for its civilians to ascend to Aeonhood. Aeons can be metaphorically described as the “fruit” of the imaginary tree and thus guardians of the tree until something comes and consumes the “fruit” aka concept. It is why I think that Aeonhood in HSR is ultimately a trap ever since the formation of the imaginary tree to “harvest” the fruits of imagination. Their primum mobile for example restricts their identity to one axis similarly how a fruit is confined to a certain branch. Aeons are just dangling on the tree trapped for eternity until their consumption.
You’re mixing up a lot of things here. It wouldn’t make sense for a “concept” to be the one consuming the aeons, as the aeons are the embodiment of the concepts. They are like wills seeking to be carried out in the chessboard of the universe. So whoever would do the consuming would have to be an extradimensional being. This, however, is purely hypothetical. And there’s no reason to be believe this harvesting is a thing. A likely possibility though is that the coordinator of will from ggz exists in HSR as well, and might be controlling this universe. You also mentioned that the only plausible reason for civilisations existing is to make aeons. But this is wrong. Aeons are only confirmed to exist in the universe of HSR. In Honkai impact, different universes in the imaginary tree are approached by the finality in the form of the Honkai to assimilate them into their civilisation. When Kiana takes the authority of finality she essentially compatibilizes the existence of the finality and humanity. This is probably the endgame of hsr as well, because terminus is literally the aeon of finality (has similar powers to kiana). It’s also basically been confirmed that the universe of hsr is in samsaras that terminus takes them from one to another. Failed attempts at embracing finality, basically.
It is important to recall that it is hypothesized that in GGZ that the imaginary “tree” is the supposed decaying “remains” of Zeus; someone who was notorious for consuming multiple concepts from other powerful entities. I also don’t think that the imaginary tree is a tree shape but rather the shape of a circle or complex exponential function. This is because of the cyclical nature of imaginary numbers and complex exponentials where e^0i=1, e^(ipi/2)=i, e^(ipi)= -1, e^(i1.5pi)= -i, and e^(i2pi)=1. Also, i^0=1,i^1=i i^2=-1, i^3=-i, i^4=1, and i^5=i. Notice that e^(ipi)=i^2=-1. This outlines the samsara nature you have described to exist in the universe of hsr to fit within the nature of imaginary numbers and the complex exponential numbers as they describe the universe in a cyclical nature where imaginary powers oscillate between values of 1,i, -1, and -i. This also connects the lore of HSR to the mechanical gameplay of HSR as zero cycling memory of chaos seems to indicate a conscious of a microscopic samsara process.
I think it is important to consider the relevance that gameplay has with the story of HSR. Various mechanics such as cycles, action value, and blended pathology hint at the importance of gameplay. For example, Robin primarily functions as a harmony character but also deals massive single target damage hinting at elements of both harmony and hunt. Also, Sparkle also functions as a harmony character but also supports follow up attackers with one of her traces and is part of the masked fools signifying elements of both harmony and elation. Paths are becoming increasingly interconnected with various concepts slowly merging together until they eventually assimilate into one grand path. The imaginary tree’s purpose just like any other tree is to survive, grow, and reproduce. The Aeons serve as the guardian backbones of the tree, the Honkai serves as a regulator of growth, and the eventual merging of paths signifies the production of fruit. Fruit which yields recombinant ideologies and new trees when everything comes full circle; a complete cycle.
@@awesome7006 it's the weekend and you brought maths into my anime gacha game time 😭
@@awesome7006 dude, you’re grasping at straws. Just because robin deals damage with her ult doesn’t mean she has a hunt connection 😭 and there isn’t any reason to talk about imaginary equations making the cyclical nature of the universes when it’s confirmed to be finality. Please drop the tinfoil hat
I would love to have some aeons playable, of course not all of them would work, I mean we won't be playing as IX or Nous anytime soon, but I would love to see Yaoshi, Xipe or the aeon of enigmata playable towards the last patches of star rail
What someone doesn't want to be a aeon so split In 2
Leaks say Ruan Mei is hinted to ascend at some point in the future. Take that with a grain of salt though. I'd prefer that the Emanators are the focus of power, narrative-wise. Aeons, in my opinion, are like powerful, all encompassing sidenotes in the story. So much revolves around them but the story of the individual mortals are what drives the existence and meaning of the game.
what would she even ascend to? I don't believe that.
Eh. The game has hinted at multiple times that humans are just pawns in the games of the more powerful aeons. Like HooH, Aha, IX, Terminus and Qlipoth
So I think you have it the other way around actually
@@joaosantos-uj9uw I think what op is trying to say is it's the characters that we follow.. and give the game it's essence.
@@heppelhopv2 sure, but I think without a doubt some of the aeons are active characters in the story without a doubt. Many of them ascended from humans, don’t forget. And it’s obvious that some of them are overarching antagonists
Someone here made a video about the theory of Ratio becoming an Aeon, and while I don't want him to lose his life to Aeonhood I also want him to finally achieve on such a wide scale
Some leaks believed that for some time, Ruan Mei will transcend into AeonHood.
I will be that Aeon of donuts 😂😂😂
Bro competing with oroborous 😭😭
Nice video, thanks for your hard work!
If we assume Kafka was telling the truth I feel it's more likely that the third option Kafka mentioned will be how we kill Nanook. It's a Chekov's gun scenario I think they bring up three ways an aeon can be killed but never mentioning what the third way is feel awfully suspicious
I have a feeling thats the case as well, its purposely not mentioned because itll outright spoil the outcome
Main takeaway: Maevix really likes donuts.
Well.. I am an emanator of donuts 😂
Aeon of Famine does sound badass not gonna lie.
HSR will probably end with Trailblazer ascending as the Aeon of Aeons
3:00 i want to debunk this part about Welt and Himeko saying coz this is not a fact this is what the char/mortal think of what happen, which is still 100% subject. I think it actually the opposite, path exist first aeon later, the reason a path is only known to mortal as if it only been created thanks to aeon ascension is becoz before an aeon ascend the path itself is incomprehensible but always exist, until an aeon ascend to a path for the first time, it become more comprehensible to mortal. Think of it like the natural law of physic, it always exist around us but we just don't know about it or have a name for it yet until someone do it, like Gravity would still exist even if Newton never exist, Newton definitely didn't create gravity but he did give it a name and help us understanding it.
On topic of ascension, i already explain in cmt of another video but in short accessing a path fully with an aeon still present is not possible and using the term "access" is not very correct in case of ascending, it more how deep a person understanding of a path/ideology. The reason why it not possible to fully access a path with an aeon still present are :
1. the pathstrider and aeon will have different life exp, different perspective and understanding on the path which mean a pathstrider more than likely to diverge on their journey instead of walking on the same path as the aeon
2. A path can only have 1 aeon like there could only be 1 king sitting on the throne so even if someone manage to walk the same path and able to understanding a path so deep they would still be stuck 99% as long as there is still an aeon reside over that path
I just want to see akivili one day
looking forward for Aeon of donut man....i hearing sentences alone get me on their path, just waiting for someone to ascend now
About terminus yeah and no ?
What I mean is that terminus could be both the representation of beginning and end of everything within the tree ( + the tree ) so he might exist both in the past, present and future of all things kinda.
Tho for now it’s a bit hypothetical
i believe the path is a belief that is seperate from the aeon, and the aeons are the farthest along the path they are on
aeons in my opinion are able to gather the power of all others on their path in some way, and is given by being the farthest along on their path, which is why there is only one aeon per path
this is mainly from a story concept ive read before and is probably incorrect but is cool to think along these lines
the event with xipe with paths of harmony and order, is prior, harmony and order paths were seperate, but they happened to be close enough to attach, merge, or meld the path of order into the path of harmony. This then takes in the followers of order into the followers of harmony, but also strips away ena's aeonhood as xipe is the farthest upon the path of harmony and the path of order has surrendered its power to the path of harmony
there is probably also two ways to try and be an aeon, but in effect one, with a natural embodiment like a true belief, vs a development of understanding, and deeper understanding
The emanator theory is interesting, because in Xueyi character story 3 she use the “THEY” pronounce for Shuhu who should be an emanator. However, the mere fact that Shuhu has multiple forms suggest that Shuhu either can shapeshift into anything or having clones. I think it would both, because most of the XZ encounters with Shuhu only have them seen one form of Shuhu. Therefore, I believe only the original Shuhu can actually shapeshift, the clones can’t.
"rumors" hint that we will see a new eon
Aeon!Ruan Mei
Ruan Mei waving.
Just so you know....I am a masked fool and have friend with history fictionologist
And I Will sparks a misformation in this theory community
Aeons the trailblazer can possibly ascend to:
Aeon of creation* the reason i say aeon of creation is because nannok is the aeon of destruction so its the opposite
2: aeon of trailblaze* their are so much hints the tb might be akivili SU the dream bubble in penacony where pom pom ask if we plead guilty and we can choose the different voices when we respond our name is akivili
Theory: what if the honkai hsr universe is a stage? Hear me out their are alot of hints.. first sampo and sparkle breaking the 4th wall in belobog ending sampo literally broke the 4th wall and said somehing about audience which is sus but in the animation from offical honkai star rail channel sparkle broke the 4th wall what if.. what if the honkai star rail story is a play aha is the one sharing the story and us the players are the audience playing the pov of the charcters sampo and sparkle just make sure everthing in the play/stage happen perfectly think about it makes so much sense aha is the master mind the final villain...
It would be interesting if someone who has extensive knowledge about biology meet someone who have a corpse or remnants of an aeon. Maybe a new aeon would be born or be revived like what sunday tried
I believe that the only ones capable of fixing the xianshou's DNA problems regarding immortality is ruan mei and her fellow genius society members. If only they were curious and not introverted to some point. 😅
what's some parts into 2 because don't what's to be a aeon so apart of them become the aeon like in kirby, fecto elfilis this exist after spliting into 2, in the creation/existence elfilin
Playable Aeons when?
After the MC beats nanook, at that point we'll get 7 star summonable characters 😂
The real new Aeon is the friends we’ve made along the way.
Please no, I dont want an aeon of friendship
I dont think we'll achieve aeonhood atm probably around 8.0 at the 5th anniv of HSR
Though i suspect around 4.x we'll see ruan mei become a new aeon
i want to be on the path of donuts!!
ruan mei boutta become a new aoen bro lol
She seems the closest contender at the moment
Ruan Mei will become an Aeon of Life, absorbing Yaoshi. Trust me bro
Oh thats an interesting idea, what aeon would ruan mei be if she did achieve her goals. Life would be such an interesting twist
@@Maevix3142 I think Life or creation. To counter Destruction. Sience Aeons come in pairs lol
I don't think there would be aeon of apocalypse or death because so far we introduce aeon path is an extreme reaction to some event and that is why I think Ruan Mei will fail to become aeon, you can not become aeon for the sake to become aeon
Apocalypse is a part of finality
And death is a part of nihility
simlar to Herrscher core maybe Herrschers firsts than aeon comes next?
Who is REAL Sparkle?
Ruan mei🙏🙏🙏🙏
I want to see an aeon of conquering
Like an aeon of war or just general conquering?
@@Maevix3142 General
Would be cool if theres a Aeon of Death
isnt finality like very similar to that?
@@enatoyaceo i feel like finality is more so the end of the universe's existance, than an individuals existance
Imo Death is too simple of a concept, and doesn't really feel like a philosophy of its own (which is what the Aeons and paths are).
@@AAA-oo3vx It encompasses any kind of finality. Even small scale ones like the end of a life's existence.
@@valerie_sees i mean hi3rd seperated death and finality as well
Why do you flash to a picture of Aizen when talking about Welt was that a joke on how similar they look or was it a mistake.
It's a joke. They are similar in looks and are both giga chads in their own universes. Welt comes from Hi3, btw.
Joke because of how similar they look 😂... or maybe it was all Aizens plan
How do you convince an aeon of nihility to turn you into an emanator? I guess you dont ask, you just take their power. The hard part it's meeting them first of all, then i assume you need to be extremely strong/determined or protected by something else, like "naught".
Following this logic, maybe acheron took as much power from IX as she tought she could handle (and still ended kinda backfiring with all the memory losses), or maybe she was afraid to end up becoming IX. Either way i think acheron's pursuit of ending the aeon isnt a selfish act of revenge, but a necessary act, at least in her eyes.
Thats the point, ix gives the power of their path freely “the shadow of nihility cover the stars equally” - Pom-Pom’s intel | emanator special
its power nonetheless but because nihility also comes with a myriad of mental and physical illnesses, using its power would be like touching a live wire with your soul
In Acheron case she took in such a massive amount of nihility power she became an emanator by default.
What if another Aeon can like Acheron use as much power of nihility as possible? Then this Aeon would also be an emanator of nihility as well. There is nothing stopping Aeons from emanating other Aeons as long as it falls within their designated primum mobile. For example HooH can emanate Harmony through Harmonic oscillation (in Harmonic oscillation stable and unstable equilibrium occur when the potential energy function changes from increasing to decreasing or decreasing to increasing). This still falls within equilibrium but occupies harmony as well. HooH can also emanate nihility as if the forces equate to zero in a system; then it can be interpreted that all force is meaningless thus equilibrium emanating nihility.
@@awesome7006 um.. what?
@@awesome7006 An emanator is one given power by an aeon. The same way a baby is born from a mother, a mother can't be born from a baby. What you described are aeons and paths with possible overlaps
mei?
As a hater I would 100 enjoy if Ruan Mei ascends into godhood
3:15 please don't use ai images in the future, stock images can convey your point just as good and not use other artists work without their permission or creating huge ecological damages, thanks
Weh
Hoho
1:40.Only in the Chinese original they are clearly called star gods and use divine pronouns for them. Even our genius recognizes them as gods. Also, before you say anything, study the material better than the localization.
There is a theory that Veritas Ratio will become an Aeon, which I'd be very fond to see.
I mean Cocolia in her Boss Fight can be seen as a sort of Proto Aeon. Her Name is Cocolia Mother of Deception there. So we may have allready stoped the Birth of an new Aeon.
I doubt it
Cocolia belief was put in stellaron, not an idea or an concept
I do consider Cocolia in her cosmic form to be a kind of embryo to a new path similar to Sunday’s attempt. This is due to Cocolia’s aeon like appearance with stars surrounding her body hinting at an attempt to ascendance. This is probably due to the Stellarons serving as the “fruit” of the imaginary tree designed to be consumed by its inhabitants (people) in order to grant them the opportunity to ascend into more Aeons. It perfectly fits the intention of the imaginary tree which is to survive, grow, and reproduce with the Aeons serving as controllable offspring; the imaginary energy from the tree is probably the reason why the primum mobile exists.
Just like fruit in real life, the stellarons are rich in nutrients and are sweet luring those like Cocolia and Sunday to consume the fruits and ascend into Aeonhood.
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