Well i find really exhausting listening to him, hes going very silent at end of every sentence, felling like hes loosing his breath or forget about breathing at all. Good video and very informative, im just tired about narration
Would of been intereting to see different hill climbing scenarios & off roading. 99.99 % of so called reviewers shy away or just ignore it. All are just promoting speed!! Oly maybe 1 out of 20 are good reviewers. Sad😮.
Just got mine and assembly was pretty easy, came charged the same as yours. I will be mostly using mine in hospital to avoid walking so will give an update on ease of transport in and out of my car. i presently use a Zoom stryder ex but i think they are out of business so I got this one for a back up.
Really like the Spider! I was about to get one but decided on the Compact instead. I was able to try all the Dualtrons at the retailer near my house. I kept getting flats even with Slime injected (both pinch and road hazard) and was getting tired of walking or ubering my way to the train and then walking or ubering my way to work or home. I was able to easily fix the flats once I got home but being stranded made me rethink my ride. I rode the Raptor 2 and then the Compact and was convinced to go with the Compact. It was great that I had a retailer near my house that had all the Dualtrons and even had other scooters there I could try out like the E-Twow GT and some great Wepeds. It is just much more solid in the 35-40MPH range and the acceleration off the line is hard to beat. I thought I would miss disc brakes but dual drum brakes can lock up the tires easily and I have already had to do some emergency stops. I have enough miles on the Compact now to get used to how it rides at the top end. Keep up the well done videos!
Nice comments. I'm trying to decide between the Spider limited, Compact or Raptor 2. Do the solid tires perform well? A lot of review say to stay away from solid tires due to them being slippery, longevity and comfort issues? Thanks for your help.
@@mychaelpierce8049 They don't have the lateral grip of pneumatics but I will take that over dealing with being stranded with a flat. I still hit 40mph on straights and it is very stable. I just slow down on turns quite a bit more when compared to pneumatics.
It makes such a big difference for the battery lifetime! If you want to be perfect, in addition to 80%-20% cycles normally, it's good to charge to 100% every 20 charges or so, to balance the individual battery cells. After it gets to 100%, I usually go for a quick ride (instead of leaving it at 100%) to minimize the time it spends at full charge. :)
130 lbs? I haven't been that since I was in eighth grade.🤣 Sheesh. Add another hundred pounds to that and I bet that scooter will only go 35 mph still a respectable speed. Thank you for the review it was excellent.
70km/h downhill? And is there weight difference with previous model spider 17ah in terms of pushing scooter when walking? Or is it lighter overall then Dualtron eagle 🦅 pro etc
Looking forward to a follow up review. Have the brakes remained adjusted and did they require frequent re-adjusting? Pity they are mechanical as those require frequent attention. Was this filmed in Pacific Northwest? A lot of those paths look like the ones I've seen in Portland.
Follow up - I've just changed brakes to XTECH Zoom hybrid hydraulics. They work really well, but I modified them a little not to hit the wheel motor. They feel really good and lock the wheel fully and nicely.
Hello ! Im hesitating between this model and the victor luxury or victor luxury plus. I mostly care about comfort, acceleration, and lightweight. For range and so on i dont really mind. Thank you so much i really need your help !
Hello friend. nice review. I like your slower, calming voice when you're narrating. ;-) 2 questions. 1) Is the height of the handle bar fixed or adjustable? 2) Does the right handbrake brake the front or back tires? (for normal bikes, right handbrake usually brake back wheel. is it the same for this Dualtron Spider? Thanks!
Hi Lance! 2) The right handbrake is front wheel, like it is on normal motorcycles. Most motorcycles - right lever is front wheel, right foot - rear wheel, left lever - clutch. Since I ride motorcycles as well, it's very important not to break this habit since I switch back and forth between Spider and a motorcycle. (My mental model is not to squeeze right hand too hard). Since there's no right foot pedal, the next best thing is left lever for rear brake instead of clutch. 1) The stock handlebars are fixed. You can maybe adjust them an inch by varying the angle. You can get adjustable ones from Carbonrevo that are pretty nice, and can be foldable, but for an extra cost.
Thanks for the prompt response ElectricFuture. I've never ridden a motocycle so I was not aware that motorcycles have right handbrake for front wheel. But you would be able to understand my exact concern. My GF now rides a normal foot powered bike to work everyday. I'm considering getting a nicer escooter for us to ride around with on weekends for fun. I am concerned with these escooters having right handbrake for front wheel because she'll have to change 'mental models' constantly between riding her normal bike and using such a escooter with opposite handbraking model. It's nice that it works well for you as you ride motorcycles, but for a normal foot power cyclists, this may not work well. I wonder how difficult would it be for me to change the brake cables between the handbrakes so that it'll work for us. Do you think it's possible to change the brake cables from the two handbrakes? Thanks!
@@lanceguilin It should be pretty easy to change cable routing at the top - if you're a little mechanically inclined, or even bringing to a bicycle shop. You can either swap entire brake levers around without disconnecting the cables (but it'll have to be upsidedown on the other side), or disconnect cables and swap just the cables. Yup - makes sense for bicycles. The current cable routing is pretty neat - imgur.com/a/SDgOR1l - but it probably won't look too bad crossing these cables. Most electric scooters have rear on the left - even my affordable xiaomi m365 (which has a single brake), rear is on the left, and there's nothing on the right.
Thanks for your input. Yeah, I'm just starting to do my research and it seems left for back is the convention for escooters. That's why I wanted to confirm with you on this. I was hoping the expensive Dualtron would have the brake modeling aligned with regular bikes but I now understand they have it aligned with motorcycles. Makes sense. Thanks again for your input!
Does the steering column wobble or flex? What's the stopping distance on the brakes? Can you look them up into a skid, or get thrown forward on account of braking to hard?
There isn't too much wobble, however it seems my Xiaomi m365 has even less flex and seems more solid. Maybe that's the price you pay for keeping it lightweight. I tightened all the screws, and while riding, it seems to feel pretty good, I don't feel unsafe or notice it during use. Brakes - they're pretty good, however hydraulics would certainly feel better. I can lock up the wheels just fine. Unlikely to get thrown forward, especially since I start braking with rear brake first, then add the front. I have regen braking set to level 3, and I wish it wouldn't kick in so hard right away (i wish it was gradually apply it, or vary with how much you're braking). But I don't want to lower it below 3, so that my range is good when stopping at red lights. Honestly, I like how the regen braking works on $350 xiaomi that I have better
Mac Swanton Absolutely. It’s not cheap, but it should go up anything. If you’re not concerned about weight, might also want to consider Dualtron Thunder, 3 or Ultra that’s even more powerful. But Spider is really impressive for how light it is comparing to other options
Yes! 40-50% would be perfect for storage. Before you go ride, you can charge it up higher though. There’s lots of information here, see Table 3: batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Is this limited version with the larger battery really only 46 or 47 lbs? Also, is the suspension and scooter pretty rattle free when going over bumps? Do the motors make much of a sound?
Yup, 46-47lbs! It's pretty impressive. Rattle free, scooter doesn't make noises when going over bumps. I've replaced suspension cartridge for softer one now (video about it here on my channel). Motors make a bit of sound when accelerating, yes, but I kind-of like it.
Hi, Can you please tell do you recommend Spider after 4 months of usage? Do you have some problems with it during this period of time? The controller is ok?
It’s still as good as the first day I got it! The controller is going strong. The winter in Seattle has been pretty rainy through, so I’m starting to ride more consistently only now
It should be the exact same charger as my Spider. I really like it. You just need to make sure it’s a 67.2V charger, and it has the right plug on the end. Send and email to eWheels- they should have the right one. I think this is the closest on their page: www.ewheels.com/product/new-gen-v-5a67-2v-charger-king-song-electric-wheels/?affiliates=247
I removed it when installing Xtech brakes, and then never bothered to put the mud guards back on, as I think it looks much better! Hehe. I don’t ride much in the rain lately
Around 32-34 miles going pretty fast, from full to empty. But since I charge 80% and stop around 25% usually, I usually do more like 26. My work commute is 16 miles, and I have a second charger there. I got 50 miles once on a single charge, but that took a lot of patience going slow :). Eagle Pro looks really cool! (If you’re ok with some extra weight comparing to Spider). Good luck choosing, it’s exciting shopping around!
ElectricFuture Thanks for your detailed answer. You've a very impressive range. I like your battery management method, very smart! Are you riding in dual motor most of time? Lastly, what's your top speed ? I'm sadden that I can't pass 36 miles on my zero10x .
@@tedn.6182 Yes, that'd be fun! I moved to University Village area a couple months ago! (But with range of our scooters it's all not too far :) ) I'm looking forward to these social distancing guidelines to go away - would be fun to go on group rides again!
Ray Be kind to others, it goes a long way . My friend is 185lbs, and it’s definitely bouncier for him when he tried it. I’d say that’s the weight it’s tuned for
You’d need a slightly different one (58.8 volts vs my 67.2V). But the good news is that it’s available as well, and it can also stop at 80/90/100% automatically. You might want to confirm with eWheels to make sure it’ll work, but I think it should (all that matters is the voltage and connector) www.ewheels.com/product/new-speedway-pro-iii-iv-not-mini4-5a-58-8v-charger/?affiliates=247
Hmm not sure, but probably not out of the box. You can modify it to make it more resistant though. I thought Boosted laid off most of their workers and is looking for a buyer for the company
Yes! I use xiaomi to go to the rockclimbing gym for example (it’s only 2 miles away), where I’d rather not lock up a $2700 scooter outside for hours. I ride the Dualtron Spider to work mostly (16miles one way). Xiaomi also makes a perfect “guest” scooter when some of my friends wants to join exploring some area. I’m thinking lately to upgrade it though, to maybe either m365 pro, ninebot max or etwow gt. GT would be amazing, but then again not sure I want to lock up 1k outside. I also ride electric unicycles, for fun, especially on weekends and evenings, and preordered a V8F. I wouldn’t want to commute on it for a long distance though, like on the Spider, but it’s a ton of fun to ride!
I’d definitely get Spider Limited, given the weight difference is nearly double (unless you like the weight and don’t need to carry it), and very similar price
Weight can work for or against you. I've ridden a carbon fiber bike all sunshine and rainbows until you hit a bump and EVERY peable or bump is transmitted through the bike to you. Otoh, I ride an all steel bike and that absorbs every rock and some minor bumps. Depends really on your city. NY I'd pick a Dualtron 3. In Berkeley California bike lane city with smooth roads everywhere the Spider. Really a lot of factors.
Many reviewers talk too fast to compress a lot of info(even the bloody mindless rattling)!in 10-15 minutes !! Very sad. You can’t even absorb it without replaying parts of their video multiple times!!! Hehehe!
You’re the best narrator I’ve ever heard. I’m watching all your videos. I’m glad I found on you on reddit
Thank you!
Well i find really exhausting listening to him, hes going very silent at end of every sentence, felling like hes loosing his breath or forget about breathing at all. Good video and very informative, im just tired about narration
Would of been intereting to see different hill climbing scenarios & off roading. 99.99 % of so called reviewers shy away or just ignore it. All are just promoting speed!! Oly maybe 1 out of 20 are good reviewers. Sad😮.
Hey, awesome review video! You really did a great job. I was close to getting this scooter myself, it looks like an excellent option.
Thanks! I really like it. Now I'm having fun customizing it a bit - adding a nice headlight, a phone mount and a few extra lights for safety :)
Just got mine and assembly was pretty easy, came charged the same as yours. I will be mostly using mine in hospital to avoid walking so will give an update on ease of transport in and out of my car. i presently use a Zoom stryder ex but i think they are out of business so I got this one for a back up.
Really like the Spider! I was about to get one but decided on the Compact instead. I was able to try all the Dualtrons at the retailer near my house. I kept getting flats even with Slime injected (both pinch and road hazard) and was getting tired of walking or ubering my way to the train and then walking or ubering my way to work or home. I was able to easily fix the flats once I got home but being stranded made me rethink my ride. I rode the Raptor 2 and then the Compact and was convinced to go with the Compact. It was great that I had a retailer near my house that had all the Dualtrons and even had other scooters there I could try out like the E-Twow GT and some great Wepeds. It is just much more solid in the 35-40MPH range and the acceleration off the line is hard to beat. I thought I would miss disc brakes but dual drum brakes can lock up the tires easily and I have already had to do some emergency stops. I have enough miles on the Compact now to get used to how it rides at the top end. Keep up the well done videos!
Robert Fontanosa Where is this shop with dualtron scooters you speak of?
@@isaiahyhomas1650 It is in San Rafael, California. I live in San Francisco so it is only a 20-30 minute drive. Here is their site: minimotorsusa.com/
Nice comments. I'm trying to decide between the Spider limited, Compact or Raptor 2. Do the solid tires perform well? A lot of review say to stay away from solid tires due to them being slippery, longevity and comfort issues? Thanks for your help.
@@mychaelpierce8049 They don't have the lateral grip of pneumatics but I will take that over dealing with being stranded with a flat. I still hit 40mph on straights and it is very stable. I just slow down on turns quite a bit more when compared to pneumatics.
@@RCDevotee Thanks a lot bro. Gotta make my mind up. It seems like flats are inevitable!
I've learned so many things about charging from this video. I'll recommend the 80-20 regime to all my customers to prolong their battery health
It makes such a big difference for the battery lifetime! If you want to be perfect, in addition to 80%-20% cycles normally, it's good to charge to 100% every 20 charges or so, to balance the individual battery cells. After it gets to 100%, I usually go for a quick ride (instead of leaving it at 100%) to minimize the time it spends at full charge. :)
Looking forward for a review after some months of use. Would like to know about reliability of this thing :)
Great point at the end. Love my Spyder
Would be very interested to see an EMF Reading when charging and when in use!
Using what equipment? That's cheap too.
Great scooter! Now - better hook up a futuristic lawn mowing session! 😅
That’s insane how fast it can go than again I own the Dualtron Thunder so it doesn’t surprise it goes that fast 😂😂😂
130 lbs? I haven't been that since I was in eighth grade.🤣 Sheesh. Add another hundred pounds to that and I bet that scooter will only go 35 mph still a respectable speed.
Thank you for the review it was excellent.
Good video! I hope you'll make more of them.
Awesome review!
Thanks! :)
How fast will the Spider Limited go with the little gray wires disconnected?
Great review. Thanks for sharing!
I think we both also own a ninebot Max G30? I bought the daltron ultra a year ago, it is really fast and sort of heavy but a lot of fun as well...
Me too. I have DT3 and NBG30. The NBG30 collecting dust in my basement. Maybe my son is going to use it after few more months.
70km/h downhill? And is there weight difference with previous model spider 17ah in terms of pushing scooter when walking? Or is it lighter overall then Dualtron eagle 🦅 pro etc
Looking forward to a follow up review. Have the brakes remained adjusted and did they require frequent re-adjusting? Pity they are mechanical as those require frequent attention. Was this filmed in Pacific Northwest? A lot of those paths look like the ones I've seen in Portland.
are vee Yeah, Seattle area! I haven’t adjusted brakes much yet. But I only have about 150 miles on the scooter so far
Follow up - I've just changed brakes to XTECH Zoom hybrid hydraulics. They work really well, but I modified them a little not to hit the wheel motor. They feel really good and lock the wheel fully and nicely.
nice sir ,, hows your spider now ? is it highly recommended? i plan to buy need advice sir thanks
Hello !
Im hesitating between this model and the victor luxury or victor luxury plus. I mostly care about comfort, acceleration, and lightweight. For range and so on i dont really mind. Thank you so much i really need your help !
Would it be worth it to get in 2022 or is it outdated compared to the current ones that are out
Hello friend. nice review. I like your slower, calming voice when you're narrating. ;-)
2 questions. 1) Is the height of the handle bar fixed or adjustable? 2) Does the right handbrake brake the front or back tires? (for normal bikes, right handbrake usually brake back wheel. is it the same for this Dualtron Spider?
Thanks!
Hi Lance! 2) The right handbrake is front wheel, like it is on normal motorcycles. Most motorcycles - right lever is front wheel, right foot - rear wheel, left lever - clutch. Since I ride motorcycles as well, it's very important not to break this habit since I switch back and forth between Spider and a motorcycle. (My mental model is not to squeeze right hand too hard). Since there's no right foot pedal, the next best thing is left lever for rear brake instead of clutch. 1) The stock handlebars are fixed. You can maybe adjust them an inch by varying the angle. You can get adjustable ones from Carbonrevo that are pretty nice, and can be foldable, but for an extra cost.
Thanks for the prompt response ElectricFuture. I've never ridden a motocycle so I was not aware that motorcycles have right handbrake for front wheel. But you would be able to understand my exact concern. My GF now rides a normal foot powered bike to work everyday. I'm considering getting a nicer escooter for us to ride around with on weekends for fun. I am concerned with these escooters having right handbrake for front wheel because she'll have to change 'mental models' constantly between riding her normal bike and using such a escooter with opposite handbraking model. It's nice that it works well for you as you ride motorcycles, but for a normal foot power cyclists, this may not work well. I wonder how difficult would it be for me to change the brake cables between the handbrakes so that it'll work for us. Do you think it's possible to change the brake cables from the two handbrakes? Thanks!
@@lanceguilin It should be pretty easy to change cable routing at the top - if you're a little mechanically inclined, or even bringing to a bicycle shop. You can either swap entire brake levers around without disconnecting the cables (but it'll have to be upsidedown on the other side), or disconnect cables and swap just the cables. Yup - makes sense for bicycles. The current cable routing is pretty neat - imgur.com/a/SDgOR1l - but it probably won't look too bad crossing these cables. Most electric scooters have rear on the left - even my affordable xiaomi m365 (which has a single brake), rear is on the left, and there's nothing on the right.
Thanks for your input. Yeah, I'm just starting to do my research and it seems left for back is the convention for escooters. That's why I wanted to confirm with you on this. I was hoping the expensive Dualtron would have the brake modeling aligned with regular bikes but I now understand they have it aligned with motorcycles. Makes sense. Thanks again for your input!
@@lanceguilin No worries. Good luck with your shopping & research!
Great video thanks so much!!
that nice review sir ,, but i notice your charger if possible to use on mantis 8 ,, 1600w and 48v? thank u sir
If weight is number 1 priority is the Spider the best option or should i get the eagle and put up with the extra weight.
Does the steering column wobble or flex? What's the stopping distance on the brakes? Can you look them up into a skid, or get thrown forward on account of braking to hard?
There isn't too much wobble, however it seems my Xiaomi m365 has even less flex and seems more solid. Maybe that's the price you pay for keeping it lightweight. I tightened all the screws, and while riding, it seems to feel pretty good, I don't feel unsafe or notice it during use. Brakes - they're pretty good, however hydraulics would certainly feel better. I can lock up the wheels just fine. Unlikely to get thrown forward, especially since I start braking with rear brake first, then add the front. I have regen braking set to level 3, and I wish it wouldn't kick in so hard right away (i wish it was gradually apply it, or vary with how much you're braking). But I don't want to lower it below 3, so that my range is good when stopping at red lights. Honestly, I like how the regen braking works on $350 xiaomi that I have better
Great video. Thank you.
Is this scooter good for climbing hills, like in San Francisco? I live on a steep hill
Mac Swanton Absolutely. It’s not cheap, but it should go up anything. If you’re not concerned about weight, might also want to consider Dualtron Thunder, 3 or Ultra that’s even more powerful. But Spider is really impressive for how light it is comparing to other options
I have a Dualtron 3 but don't use it much, so I have to keep battery charged between 25% to 80%?
Yes! 40-50% would be perfect for storage. Before you go ride, you can charge it up higher though. There’s lots of information here, see Table 3: batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Is the tire the same as the regular spider, that they say it's hard to change?
How heavy is it compared to the first version? Is it still going strong any issues?
What’s your opinion between the spider limited vs the eagle pro?
Is this limited version with the larger battery really only 46 or 47 lbs? Also, is the suspension and scooter pretty rattle free when going over bumps? Do the motors make much of a sound?
Yup, 46-47lbs! It's pretty impressive. Rattle free, scooter doesn't make noises when going over bumps. I've replaced suspension cartridge for softer one now (video about it here on my channel). Motors make a bit of sound when accelerating, yes, but I kind-of like it.
What is the real world range? Didnt catch it on the video.
Hi,
Can you please tell do you recommend Spider after 4 months of usage? Do you have some problems with it during this period of time? The controller is ok?
It’s still as good as the first day I got it! The controller is going strong. The winter in Seattle has been pretty rainy through, so I’m starting to ride more consistently only now
@@electricfuture7456
Thank you for the response.
What range did you drive till now? And do you change tires from 2 x 10 to 2.5 x 10?
The tires are already 2.25” on the Limited, I didn’t feel the need to change them. About 600 miles so far total
Just like up here in Vancouver.Bc.Hehe.
How you doing? Still have the SPIDER 2?
Thx.
hi and where can i get the charger and can it be used on my Thunder ?
It should be the exact same charger as my Spider. I really like it. You just need to make sure it’s a 67.2V charger, and it has the right plug on the end. Send and email to eWheels- they should have the right one. I think this is the closest on their page: www.ewheels.com/product/new-gen-v-5a67-2v-charger-king-song-electric-wheels/?affiliates=247
Hey is this scooter better then the zero 10x 60volts
Nej a seats to Dualtron Spider.Is There any?
at the end, little bird on the ground.
it's strange because your spider does not look like other dualtron spider, in the front you don't have the ''banana'' mud guard
I removed it when installing Xtech brakes, and then never bothered to put the mud guards back on, as I think it looks much better! Hehe. I don’t ride much in the rain lately
I’m torn between the Kaabo Mantis pro VS Eagle pro.
What was your actual range?
Around 32-34 miles going pretty fast, from full to empty. But since I charge 80% and stop around 25% usually, I usually do more like 26. My work commute is 16 miles, and I have a second charger there. I got 50 miles once on a single charge, but that took a lot of patience going slow :). Eagle Pro looks really cool! (If you’re ok with some extra weight comparing to Spider). Good luck choosing, it’s exciting shopping around!
ElectricFuture Thanks for your detailed answer.
You've a very impressive range. I like your battery management method, very smart!
Are you riding in dual motor most of time?
Lastly, what's your top speed ?
I'm sadden that I can't pass 36 miles on my zero10x .
Like your video! What's your opinion on the Dualtron eagle pro?
It’s great! Awesome scooter if you’re ok with a little extra weight comparing to the Spider
@@electricfuture7456 I see your in my neighborhood, love to go a group ride in the future. I just got my eagle pro a few days ago. Loving it so much.
@@tedn.6182 Yes, that'd be fun! I moved to University Village area a couple months ago! (But with range of our scooters it's all not too far :) ) I'm looking forward to these social distancing guidelines to go away - would be fun to go on group rides again!
@@electricfuture7456 always looking for some adventure.
Be safe i got the dualtron 3!
How can I cloase this scooter?
Hi, can you please tell me how much you weigh? So i can compare.
Arsalan Ansari I’m around 125-130lbs, so pretty light.
Ray Be kind to others, it goes a long way . My friend is 185lbs, and it’s definitely bouncier for him when he tried it. I’d say that’s the weight it’s tuned for
How long battery last
Do you know if your fast charger is compatible with Zero 10x ?
You’d need a slightly different one (58.8 volts vs my 67.2V). But the good news is that it’s available as well, and it can also stop at 80/90/100% automatically. You might want to confirm with eWheels to make sure it’ll work, but I think it should (all that matters is the voltage and connector)
www.ewheels.com/product/new-speedway-pro-iii-iv-not-mini4-5a-58-8v-charger/?affiliates=247
Is it water resistant like the Boosted Rev?
Hmm not sure, but probably not out of the box. You can modify it to make it more resistant though. I thought Boosted laid off most of their workers and is looking for a buyer for the company
Boosted is no more. Besides, Dualtrons are superior to most scooters.
Question, I’m 94 kilos and the max weight is 100 kilos for the scooter. Do you think that’s ok ?
Hi! Where are you from? I'm looking for people in Uk to do a trips!
Sorry, I'm not in the UK! In the US, Seattle area
Wow you have a Xiaomi scooter as well
Yes! I use xiaomi to go to the rockclimbing gym for example (it’s only 2 miles away), where I’d rather not lock up a $2700 scooter outside for hours. I ride the Dualtron Spider to work mostly (16miles one way). Xiaomi also makes a perfect “guest” scooter when some of my friends wants to join exploring some area. I’m thinking lately to upgrade it though, to maybe either m365 pro, ninebot max or etwow gt. GT would be amazing, but then again not sure I want to lock up 1k outside. I also ride electric unicycles, for fun, especially on weekends and evenings, and preordered a V8F. I wouldn’t want to commute on it for a long distance though, like on the Spider, but it’s a ton of fun to ride!
How 🤔 can I get in India 🇮🇳??
Have a friend in the USA ship to you.
Spider or dualtron 3
I’d definitely get Spider Limited, given the weight difference is nearly double (unless you like the weight and don’t need to carry it), and very similar price
Weight can work for or against you.
I've ridden a carbon fiber bike all sunshine and rainbows until you hit a bump and EVERY peable or bump is transmitted through the bike to you. Otoh, I ride an all steel bike and that absorbs every rock and some minor bumps.
Depends really on your city. NY I'd pick a Dualtron 3.
In Berkeley California bike lane city with smooth roads everywhere the Spider. Really a lot of factors.
Why are you talking so slowly ???
For those old and hearing impaired?
Me not used to fast talkers.
Many reviewers talk too fast to compress a lot of info(even the bloody mindless rattling)!in 10-15 minutes !! Very sad.
You can’t even absorb it without replaying parts of their video multiple times!!! Hehehe!