Press conference in Sweden, 2013. Someone makes the mistake of asking KISS why Tommy Thayer and Eric Singer don't have their own KISS characters. Note that Tommy says people have been bringing it up for twenty years, despite him only being in the band for ten. Triggered! Thanks for joining the Fonz Army and remember to subscribe for all your funny KISS video and lipsynching needs. Two and a half million views on the channel so far, thanks KISStards!!
Fonz, Kiss have done one of the greatest all time pre show entertainment shows in Melbourne Australia before the AFL Grand final. Pauls voice was incredible. I advise you to check it out.
Boy you hate KISS, huh? Stumbled into your page a few days ago. While I’ll admit there are aspects to Gene’s money grubbing personality that annoy the hell out of me, they’re an act. And they’re entertaining, plus they have a few badass tunes in their catalog….
Because they didn't have an answer, that's why they didn't give a reasonable answer, there isn't one. Stealing someone's looks, in my opinion, is a wanna be.
To answer the question correctly. The line-up from 73-79 was the best of them all, so they pay tribute to that era. Very little people give two shits about what KISS done after that. That's why they're back in makeup, and their set list is 95% classic 70's KISS. Gene, Paul, Peter, and Ace Rock n Roll Hall of Fame, not the other way around.
Ill give you that and I dont blame Ace and Peter or Eric and Tommy I blame Paul and Gene for not just saying we do this beacsue of it makes us the most money
I love how the guy delivers it. Accent so can have plausible deniability over the phrasing, prefacing it with a massive compliment, and just saying it in such a nonchalant manner. And then Eric, Tommy and Paul instantly get triggered anyway.
Wonderfully worded - those wrinkled klowns got swerved like nobody's business - and by somebody who obviously isn't a native English speaker. They obviously couldn't stand the heat and had to refer to 35,000 marketing victims with room temperature IQ.
The other makeup did work. Kiss’ musical direction is why they fell off in popularity. To further my point they could have made their mark instead of being imposters. That’s dressing up like Ace period. Cut the personas crap. It was dumb then and dumb now. KISS is my favorite group ever. 1973-2001 After that a tired old band.
KISS will obviously do whatever makes Stanley and Chaim the most money... Embarrassment isn't even a factor or even considered... It's all about the money...
If fans haven't stopped being pissed about the fake Ace and Peter to still be asking about it 20+ years later obviously MANY fans do not like it. Biggest mistake KISS ever made.
@@Prof_Tickles92 those 90% of fans just want to hear their favourite songs and have fun, be a part of this huge show. Not everybody knows all their history because not everybody cares. This is the only version of Kiss they can see live so there's no choice. I was born in 99 so I've never been able to see the OG lineup. Still, I'm not going to pay for a lip syncing trainwreck so I'd stick with watching old concerts.
@@Prof_Tickles92 They don't know. A lot of people are just ignorant. They want to keep the fans that way. I've been a fan for almost 50 years but they're the tRump's of rock and roll. Full of shit!
Come on, Fonz, you can't expect them to just tell the truth and answer, "Because most people will see the unmistakable, original make-up and think this is the original Kiss. It's a gigantic sham!" This is like real life Kiss Meets the Phantom of the Park. 2 of the stunt doubles are playing Ace and Peter and it's obvious they are not Ace and Peter because they're doing a terrible job at it. I can't believe that short guy has a patch of Peter from Rock-n-Roll Over on his vest like somehow it's actually this guy and not Peter effin' Criss. Slapping some paint on your face does not make the iconic Ace/Spaceman or legendary Peter/Catman, get outta here!
I don't like what Kiss has become but this is too much, people are calling Tommy and Eric names when it's Paul and Gene making them wear costumes. If Tommy and Eric left, some other guys would take their places. Be angry with Paul and Gene, not Tommy and Eric who are just doing what they're paid to do.
@dominikaksiazek7177 Gene and Paul making them do it - lol. I have mad respect and love for Bruce Kulick for forging his own musical history in the band without riding on anyone's coattails or selling out. Bruce is an amazing musician and writer who will live on as such. Bruce had the perfect blend of respecting Ace's work while making it his own, and choosing not to don Ace's make-up just shows what a total stand-up guy Bruce really is.
@@dominikaksiazek7177 Hey, they work for em. It's just like the guy at Amazon that gets bitched at for packages being late. What are you doing with my favorite KISS character's makeup on, you half a twit? They're out there answering or not answering questions.
Eric answered this exact question at a KISS Expo in Indianapolis (I think its even on youtube, it was on his birthday) and he was nice about it and said something like "these are the characters they spend an entire career creating and its who everyone knows so theres no reason to change it"
The simple fact is this question to Thayer will be put to him for the rest of his life. He is an opportunist - a KISS cover band player - Gene's assistant - who caught the attention of Paul Stanley who LOVES him. Just look at how deep Thayer carries this, knowing that although pathetically there are morons that pay to watch this clown show - Thayer within the music industry will never be respected nor even thought of. Boy, did he get upset.
I don't understand why Tommy got pissed about that question, it may be obvious to them but not for every fan out there. Out of respect for the previous band members, Gene and Paul could have created new personas. Both Eric and Vinnie got their own, and people liked it back in the day. Why should it be any different with this lineup, they are just milking the past at this point
And it’s been said many times. As they started getting new members . Coming up with new characters started to seem silly, Those designs are classic and immediately identifiable as KISS. Plus Peter and Ace sold the rights to those designs.
@@timg185 It's been said many times, but that still does not change the fact that Eric Carr came in around 1980, and his makeup was well respected among fans. Even the Ankh Warrior makeup for Vinnie is also part of the nostalgic old Kiss. Gene has always been the face of Kiss, so it would not be hard for them to come up with two new personas. Both the Cat Man and Space Man was characters that Ace and Peter created, it should have stayed that way since it reflected their personalities.
@@MysticGargoyle I didn’t like it at first . But I took my son in 2004 when he was 4. I was to young to go see them in the 70’s. But I had an uncle who wanted to take me. My mother wouldn’t let me go. I wanted to take my son before it was to late. Eric and Tommy played great. Better than the last show I had seen with Ace and Peter. I enjoyed myself. The reasoning behind the decision to use those designed made sense. Wether or not I agreed at the time. Sometimes you just have to learn to accept chance . You can’t always get what you want. And not accepting it just prevents you from enjoyment. The 70’s with the original 4 will always be my favorite version. But nothing stays the same.
@@thomasflores7817 Exactly. Im a huge fan of all eras of this band. But, i refused to get worked up over cat makeup. I cringe when someone says Pete is the " real catman" There are no real cat men. I guess Pete was the original Furry though
They were still young enough to continue. They shouldn’t have quit if they didn’t want to. I accepted a long time ago that they were 4 guys that couldn’t get along. Most bands go through line up changes. It only matters because of they make up and costumes. Now you have grown men whining about make up! I’ve gone to multiple shows and enjoyed myself . I know it’s not Ace and Peter. No one is scamming me.
Paul, let’s say at some point in the future you lost the ability to sing. It should be fine for someone who can sing to take your place and draw a star on his eye?
Do you realize how many bands from the 70s and 80s that have replaced original members?? Kiss is only one of literally dozens. AC/DC, Yes, Santana, Journey, Black Sabbath, Slayer, Megadeth...That doesn't automatically make the replacement musicians bad! GTFO
You can see how triggered Eric is from this he bites back. Paul tries to put it away in a box and when Paul talks Thayer & Singer know to shut up. It's a legitimate question, Thayer & Eric needed to be their own personas instead of copy n paste clones of Ace & Peter. Paul & Gene don't really understand how so many hardcore fans disconnected from Kiss in the last 25 years where all your getting is a cash grab Kiss who try to emulate the glory days.
And it’s true . That question has been asked 1000 times. I imagine it gets annoying having to answer it. Still all the comments are blown out of proportion . I would hardly call this triggered. Annoyed maybe. Just people being haters!
No : they are not haters - they are being realistic. Carr was the Fox , Vincent was the Ankh warrior….. see the problem is KISS is truly recognized by the original characters- they should have quit 25 years ago however Gene & Paul are egomaniacs/ greedy fucks who have desire to give a shit about anyone but themselves : hence to copy & paste model of the lip syncing band still stealing your money
I no longer consider myself a fan after 25-30 years, but I agree. If Carr and Vincent could have their own personas, I think it would have been a huge boost to the KISS history to finish the last decade or more with new personas designed especially for Eric and Tommy. But yes, now that it's been cemented into their history, let it go.
@@redbull272 again it’s been answered a million times. Coming up with with new personas started to get silly and cheapened the original concept of the band. The four original designs are what people think of when they think of KISS. I personally think they could have created new personas and it would have been okay. But I’m sure a lot of people would have made fun of them for that too. The years with Carr and Vincent in make up we’re not very good. In the 80’s a lot of people were pining for Ace and Peter . But I think it was the show and performance they did in the 70’s that people wanted just as much. I do remember people saying what’s next when Carr and Vincent were in the band . Plus when Peter and Ace left after the farewell tour . They were old enough to be more of a nostalgia type of band. The original make up designs paid tribute to their most successful era. I get that a lot of people don’t agree. But no one is twisting your arm and making you go to shows. They still want to perform and a lot of people still want to go. I agree with Paul when he said he shouldn’t have had to quit and give up his dream because of Ace and Peter. I know if I were him. I would do what ever made me happy.
The other make ups did work. Creatures is one of the best kiss albums. Eric if wrong about that. You mean to tell me Gene at least good business man couldn't figure this out
Yeah man, quit asking "silly" questions we got no answers for lol. The new personas didn't work because the fans left KISS with Dynasty and Unmasked. They had no CHOICE but to take the makeup off and try to stay relevant. The Wizard and Fox makeup were cool but nobody cared because the fanbase had dropped so low BEFORE that. KISS would have failed regardless of characters. The 35,000 fans (cough) couldn't care less because they are either living via nostalgia or are too young enough to know. How about asking the OTHER 35,000 fans THEIR opinions...oh, those fans are just silly. No, most of those fans kept you in the spotlight so 30 something years later you CAN put other people in makeup and carry on.
Great points but one thing with Dynasty & Unmasked albums is they opened up Kiss to lots of new worldwide territories. These two albums also had a bigger input from Ace who had been choked out of the final cut over and over. I dare say Ace's amazing Kiss Solo album was a big wake up call to Paul & Gene as Ace outsold all the other members. And maybe because of the Ace factor the real Kiss Alive 3 album which should have covered 79 to 81 never happened. Kiss have always relied on the Live albums to prove their worth. But only when it's pushing Paul and Gene's music. Sucks when you think about it.
@leokimvideo The other thing I didn’t mention was that the Aussie 80 tour was huge, with Eric, proving the new character wasn’t a negative at all. And the South American 83 tour with Vinnie was their biggest ever show to date! So all this nonsense about other characters not working is totally that.
hey Fonz, ? for ya. few months ago, someone had the full live video up of the '76 concert (color and before Destroyer) and I believe its been taken down, just curious if you might have seen it?
I never understood why they just put Ace and Peter's makeup on them. Sure it worked out, but it never felt right. They took the easy way out if you ask me.
The reason is that Kiss is just a nostalgia act now. People wants to see the Spaceman and the Catman on stage, not the turtle boy and the hawk. And they want to hear Rock n Roll all nite and not Morden Day Delilah
@@Mark3-16 The best story ever was when they had to get Bob Kulick in after Ace just walked out the studio saying 'I've got a card game to go to by 11'. Ace is an absolute dribbling loser but he caused Paul lots of misery so he kinda makes up for it.
Eric Singer could have been the Hawk (& in fact, that WAS talked about) and Tommy Thayer could have been the Space Bandit, a combination of Ace's Spaceman & Paul's Bandit personas (& could have still worn this same outfit because Ace didn't wear it). That would tied up those loose ends--regarding KISS' other makeup designs--rather nicely & it wouldn't have divided the fans, as much. But Paul & Gene seemed utterly unconcerned with that, in the end.
I've seen photos with the Hawk makeup super-imposed on Eric Singer's face. He'd look no worse & no weirder than anyone else. And no one would be confusing him with Peter Criss, or vice versa, as the Catman.
A young lady named Violeta Klein has also posted pictures of herself in the Hawk makeup, on social media. She looked great--very cute, in my opinion! *It's all in how you do it.
@@DaP84how do you convey a demon’s wings around someone’s nose without looking ridiculous? Non-Kiss fans tend to think all the makeup designs look ridiculous
The biggest thing Eric Singer has ever done in his music career is dress up as the guy they fired him for. Not once but twice. If remembered at all he will be remembered for being one of the fake guys in the band. His makeup should be the skunk.
@@Retro_Man_76 he was good with Alice (Brutal Planet is one of the best Coop albums) but come on. He was just an anonymous journeyman. Could have been anyone. Same with his stint with Black Scabbath in 87. And Jake E. Lee threw him out of Badlands because he thought he should get songwriting credit for coming up with his drum parts to the songs. Not the way it works, as he would have quickly found out when he joined KISS.
I remember when Revenge was coming out, and there was concern about Singer being blonde even without makeup. Nowadays Spineless Simmons and Stanley would not have allowed a blonde member
If not Tommy, they would find another guy and make him wear the Spaceman makeup too. It's not Thayer who makes those decisions so I don't understand why people are angry with him.
@@dominikaksiazek7177people aren't angry with Tommy he's pretending to be something he isn't fans love Eric and Bruce should have unmasked again but Money ruined the band as Peter said
Whats overlooked here is the fact they did 2 of the shittiest albums of their career with Dynasty and The Elder, that real rock fans had jumped ship. It wasn't new makeup that doomed them in the 80s it was a disco and crappy concept album they were warned not to do by Ace. Facts.
100%. They were dead in the water in the US by that point. The fact that they were popular in Australia in 80 with Eric and South America in 83 with Eric AND Vinnie proved that other makeup designs were fine, it was over-exposure, doing a kiddy movie, and a gimmick just running its course.
What's really sad is the KISS cover bands are far better than the real thing nowadays, and this interview is a perfect example of the way they behave now. They don't really care about the fans, just the money. In fact Gene himself says it on I think EXposed when they ask him about the makeup. He says they'd be a ripoff of themselves. Guess what, here we are, and yes they are horrible compared to the non-makeup era AND a total embarrassment to their legacy.
Obviously you're not a musician. Or you are tone deaf. Or just don't give AF that the current band really does suck at this stage. @@malcolmmuggeridge7862
It comes down to merchandising. They can link the past to the present and sell tons of stuff. How many actors have played Batman? Batman merchandise doesn’t care who’s under the mask. Also this ties into the concept that KISS will literally go on indefinitely. Paul & Gene will be replaced. I’m 100% convinced of that. They are selling a brand at this point, not a band. I still love them anyway!
Paul’s ego won’t allow KISS to exist without him. Otherwise it would have happened already. He hasn’t been able to sing for a decade and has faked vocals live since 2019. He says Ace and Peter had to be replaced because they couldn’t handle it anymore, so why is he still there? Hypocrisy.
"Ask the fans what they think?" Paul was out of his mind to say that! That'd be like a defendant in court telling the judge, "Ask my victim's family if I should be found guilty." He didn't have a chance to think that answer through at all, and it's on film, haha, schmuck!
It doesn’t matter if you are a fan or not. Here is the truth, KISS is a show. This hasn’t been a band in years. KISS is nothing more than a travel road company putting on the same rehearsed, lip synced, actors portraying roles. The days of it being a band playing a live show have long since passed. The make up and characters are just apart of the show and it does not matter who is wearing the paint and the costume. The original band and its members abd the lineup after that were a band and gave you a concert. No matter how Gene, Paul, Tommy, Eric want to spin it. I don’t begrudge anyone their fun and entertainment, just know that this a show with actors playing a part to a script and not the original guys wearing makeup and expressing their personalities and making their music.
After hearing all sides to the argument from Kiss themselves to the fans, It seems like Eric sees it as a hired gig and part of the job and Tommy loves being the spaceman and playing with these guys.
Honestly they should have called it quits in 1981 after the original 4 broke up. Everything since has been cheesy and just put the band in the circus performers catagory
I do think it's kinda lame that they made Tommy the Spaceman and Singer the Cat. They should've given them their own persona like they did Vinnie and Carr.
I would really love it if they invited Peter and Ace back onstage after they told them 'yeah, we've dumped Tommy and Eric and realised the original line up is irreplaceable', then when they walk on they realise Tommy and Eric are standing there in their make up. The catch being, there's a mini assault course on stage and the 4 of them have to compete to retain their respective cat-Klown or space-Klown make up and play the gig. There's no choice though, there's no way to exit the stage and the assault course is mandatory.
@@thefonzkiss Well after the assault course you'll get a choice of Thayer's robo-clone plastic dross or Ace's free jazz F# Mixolydian mode version of Deuce. Perfect for Gene's next $1.5 million toy box set.
That's a weird question to get so sensitive about. With all they have been through you wouldn't think they would be so thin skinned. Huge Kiss fan, but it's time to end it when an innocent question at a press conference brings out four angry old men getting all bent out of shape over it.
Kiss can say whatever the want 35k waiting meanwhile Led Zeppelin the one time they reunited in 07 20 million requested tickets holds the record for most tickets requested and they had no make up and pyrotechnics that’s the difference between a rock band and a bunch of old men squeezing every dime out of their fans. Not cool at all. And Eric singer is 4 ‘11” can anyone say napoleon complex SMH
In 1983, ALL of the band members removed the makeup because it was played out and they were on the verge of being handed their hats. Other makeup concepts didn't wotk because Ace and Peter played such integral roles in the early years of the band.
These guys 🤡 need to hang it up already. What are they on, year 3 of the farewell tour, lol. The original Four made KISS great. Those two imposters make the group a tribute band. Unbelievable
Yes, they need to be constantly called out about it. Nobody needs to pretend that they look like the real thing. Thayer's jawline is too wide and Singer's face too chubby to ever come close to resemble Frehley or Criss. When I see them from a mile away I go nope and pass on the show.
0:44 no Eric that’s not why they took it off Their popularity dropped big time in the US after dynasty and the backlash of I was made for loving you, the dynasty tour lost a lot of money, by 1980 for Unmasked they couldn’t even tour the US for it they were only able to do one US show at the palladium in NYC which was Eric Carr first show after Peter left the band, the band the band tours Europe, Australia and New Zealand and sells out Arenas And Stadiums With Eric Carr in the fox makeup, by 1981 Kiss returns to the states and releases Music from the Elder which was a commercial failure and by then the Fans have checked out and gave up on Kiss and found other bands like AC/DC, Van Halen, Iron maiden and etc. Kiss was dead in The US in 1982 and they needed to get back to there roots and they did with Creatures of the Night and with the new member Vinnie Vincent with the Ankh makeup they do the US Creatures tour with sadly was a flop due to the fans already being tired of the band, they go to Brazil and Sell out 3 stadiums and play the biggest crowd they played too ever with Eric Carr and Vinnie Vincent in Makeup. That summer Kiss records a new album in the states with only one option going forward, take the makeup off and get your popularity and fans back in America or keep the makeup on and have smaller tours and less album sales and not have barely any fans left, they took the makeup off for a change and to show fans they are back and not poppy anymore and to get their popularity back, that’s why Eric not cause of the Makeup like you and Gene and Paul try to say😅
Maybe I should be in PR but I was just thinking, instead of getting triggered they could have said "Well, Peter and Ace are getting monetary residuals every time Eric and Tommy use the makeup." and shrug. I mean that's how I'd answer questions like that because it's true. Ace and Peter do get paid for creating the Catman and the Spaceman.
No they don’t. Peter sold his makeup rights in the 80s and Ace sold his makeup rights before the 96 reunion tour. They don’t get any residuals from it at all. You can look up the makeup designs in the registrar of trademarks and see that KISS Corp owns it. The one thing they can get money from is likeness rights if companies want to put a PHOTO of them on a product. This is where Ace gets confused and says in interviews that he owns the makeup rights. He doesn’t. He even admitted in an interview over the last few years that he was mistaken about the makeup rights. The guy doesn’t know what day of the week it is he gets stuff wrong constantly. Like the Grammy he thought he had for Beth. And he said a few weeks ago that Eddie Kramer recorded him doing the solo for Strange Ways in Ace’s home studio. It wasn’t Eddie Kramer and Ace built the studio in 1979 it didn’t even exist in 1974.
Paul had a point regarding "what's next, turtle boy? dog man?", but they shot themselves in the foot after 2000. Paul's narcissism convinced him to kick out Ace & Peter. Fine. Maybe he had a point, maybe he didn't. But he needed to stop for five minutes and think about the long term ramifications of what would happen if the band, for whatever reason, kept on touring. He didn't. Now it's just weird.
What would have been wrong with Turtle Boy though? If it was its own thing with its own gimmicks and effects and the guitarist did his own thing, what’s the problem? Eric Carr’s fox totally worked. Vinnie’s wizard totally worked. It’s just an excuse to be lazy and replicate the past because they ran out of ideas decades ago. Thanks for the comment!
@@KISSbestfan he’s got no fans now so it would only be an improvement. On paper the Starchild and the spaceman and the demon and the cat are absurd as well. The makeup and the character is just five percent of it.
On the other hand he wanted to be a part of KISS and through years succeeded, while Ace was a part of KISS twice, and blew it perfectly in late 90s. Man, if only it was over by now, we wouldnt have to discuss this, but would be United discussing Good Old times
@@KISSbestfan not entirely true. Just because they stop touring doesn't mean they are stopping the Kiss machine. They no doubt will find other ways to further decimate their legacy.
It was always about popularity in the U.S. back then. Unmasked bombed with, as far as the public knew, all four original members in makeup. Fans were done with the makeup and kiddie music
Except one of the originals didn’t play at all on the album. That was Anton Figbiscuit. And Ace contributed little. You see Ace on the creatures sleeve, doesn’t mean he played on it. Oh and Pyscho Cashgrab as well. They’re a total fraud. Have been for years. It’s all about getting Paul richer and Gene fatter.
The sad truth is that all of them are actually very poor musicians. I’ve seen better players struggling to fill a hat full of coins busking outside the bus station. They had good marketing and a strong visual. They’ve never been a good musical unit. They still sound like an unrehearsed college band.
Press conference in Sweden, 2013. Someone makes the mistake of asking KISS why Tommy Thayer and Eric Singer don't have their own KISS characters. Note that Tommy says people have been bringing it up for twenty years, despite him only being in the band for ten. Triggered! Thanks for joining the Fonz Army and remember to subscribe for all your funny KISS video and lipsynching needs. Two and a half million views on the channel so far, thanks KISStards!!
Fonz, Kiss have done one of the greatest all time pre show entertainment shows in Melbourne Australia before the AFL Grand final. Pauls voice was incredible. I advise you to check it out.
@@leokimvideo yeah, awesome lip syncing.
@@leokimvideoeveryone saw that nonsense. You know the whole thing was fake, right.
Boy you hate KISS, huh? Stumbled into your page a few days ago. While I’ll admit there are aspects to Gene’s money grubbing personality that annoy the hell out of me, they’re an act. And they’re entertaining, plus they have a few badass tunes in their catalog….
@@bldallas I love everyone.
"so we can keep selling merchandise with the original members on it" - there, there's the actual fucking answer that they refuse to give
And? Either way merch has to be made. What is your point dumbass?
They could and did do that any ways.
True. Who wants a Vinnie Vincent T-shirt for chrissakes?
Should they not be allowed to?
Fam, you realize that Ace & Peter would probably still be in the band today if they weren’t such ball busting jerks?
Actually they have said that in a round about way. They have said when people think of KISS they think of those four classic designs.
Pretending the band lost popularity because of the new makeup designs of the early 80s😅 Revisionism at its most basic level.
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People have been asking the same question for 20 years because we still haven't gotten a reasonable answer.
So...."Just ask the 30,000 people 👉 (motioning towards 🤔 whatever 🙄) at the show...Tha FANS ,maaan!". as Paul Stanley TRIED, to explain.... LOL.😂 SMH
@@jamescon55 Paul said ask 35,000 people, lol
Because the show must go in is the reason.
Because they didn't have an answer, that's why they didn't give a reasonable answer, there isn't one. Stealing someone's looks, in my opinion, is a wanna be.
Gene gave the answer, whether he intended to or not. It’s all business,
It's almost like they are programmed to be a-holes, they just can't help themselves.
Gene needs to stop making wisecracks about people's Mother's cuz he wouldn't want someone to make a wisecrack about his mother
Good point. He’d probably cry.
To answer the question correctly. The line-up from 73-79 was the best of them all, so they pay tribute to that era. Very little people give two shits about what KISS done after that. That's why they're back in makeup, and their set list is 95% classic 70's KISS. Gene, Paul, Peter, and Ace Rock n Roll Hall of Fame, not the other way around.
80s and early 90s Kiss is almost as good. Especially their albums from 1982-85, plus Revenge in 92.
Ill give you that and I dont blame Ace and Peter or Eric and Tommy I blame Paul and Gene for not just saying we do this beacsue of it makes us the most money
@@Retro_Man_76 their 80s output was wank. Totally wank.
I love how the guy delivers it. Accent so can have plausible deniability over the phrasing, prefacing it with a massive compliment, and just saying it in such a nonchalant manner.
And then Eric, Tommy and Paul instantly get triggered anyway.
Says a lot about them, they’re insufferable
Wonderfully worded - those wrinkled klowns got swerved like nobody's business - and by somebody who obviously isn't a native English speaker.
They obviously couldn't stand the heat and had to refer to 35,000 marketing victims with room temperature IQ.
Wow! It's funny how they have to insult people when they get a question they don't like!
its like the MSM lol!
At least he got to keep his shirt on!
@@robinriel3384 Bwahahaha, that video of Gene making him take that Iron Maiden shirt off was embarrassing.
The other makeup did work. Kiss’ musical direction is why they fell off in popularity. To further my point they could have made their mark instead of being imposters. That’s dressing up like Ace period. Cut the personas crap. It was dumb then and dumb now. KISS is my favorite group ever. 1973-2001 After that a tired old band.
KISS will obviously do whatever makes Stanley and Chaim the most money... Embarrassment isn't even a factor or even considered... It's all about the money...
Actually it’s legally gene… idk you said Chaim, maybe because of the Jewish thing ? Money etc ?
@@justsomerandomstuff877 I said Chaim because it's Gene's real name...
@@justsomerandomstuff877And Stanley is Paul’s real name. What’s wrong with you?
@@hi-ccowboy7983 What's wrong with you to get so *TRIGGERED* kiss tard?
@@syndicatedsatellite7288 actually I’m pretty sure you used Chaim on purpose. Anyway…
If fans haven't stopped being pissed about the fake Ace and Peter to still be asking about it 20+ years later obviously MANY fans do not like it. Biggest mistake KISS ever made.
And yet they still sell tickets. Imagine that.
Apparently 90% of fans don’t care because KISS still does pretty well in regards to ticket sales and merchandise.
@@sjs1555 To rejects who pay stupid prices. Go figure.
@@Prof_Tickles92 those 90% of fans just want to hear their favourite songs and have fun, be a part of this huge show. Not everybody knows all their history because not everybody cares.
This is the only version of Kiss they can see live so there's no choice. I was born in 99 so I've never been able to see the OG lineup. Still, I'm not going to pay for a lip syncing trainwreck so I'd stick with watching old concerts.
@@Prof_Tickles92 They don't know. A lot of people are just ignorant. They want to keep the fans that way. I've been a fan for almost 50 years but they're the tRump's of rock and roll. Full of shit!
0:25 “people want to see KISS as KISS has progressed” … that’s the problem, they never did. They’ve been pretending it’s still 1977 for 27 years!!
Come on, Fonz, you can't expect them to just tell the truth and answer, "Because most people will see the unmistakable, original make-up and think this is the original Kiss. It's a gigantic sham!" This is like real life Kiss Meets the Phantom of the Park. 2 of the stunt doubles are playing Ace and Peter and it's obvious they are not Ace and Peter because they're doing a terrible job at it. I can't believe that short guy has a patch of Peter from Rock-n-Roll Over on his vest like somehow it's actually this guy and not Peter effin' Criss. Slapping some paint on your face does not make the iconic Ace/Spaceman or legendary Peter/Catman, get outta here!
Yeah I noted the irony of his tirade while he had a 1976 Peter Criss Rock And Roll Over face on his vest.
I don't like what Kiss has become but this is too much, people are calling Tommy and Eric names when it's Paul and Gene making them wear costumes. If Tommy and Eric left, some other guys would take their places. Be angry with Paul and Gene, not Tommy and Eric who are just doing what they're paid to do.
@dominikaksiazek7177 Gene and Paul making them do it - lol.
I have mad respect and love for Bruce Kulick for forging his own musical history in the band without riding on anyone's coattails or selling out. Bruce is an amazing musician and writer who will live on as such. Bruce had the perfect blend of respecting Ace's work while making it his own, and choosing not to don Ace's make-up just shows what a total stand-up guy Bruce really is.
@@dominikaksiazek7177 Hey, they work for em. It's just like the guy at Amazon that gets bitched at for packages being late. What are you doing with my favorite KISS character's makeup on, you half a twit? They're out there answering or not answering questions.
@@aboutagirlnamedjessiehe would have done it if he were asked to do it.
Wow. They could have at least been polite about it.
Could have been worse, the guy could have been wearing an Iron Maiden t shirt!
Truth hurts
Eric answered this exact question at a KISS Expo in Indianapolis (I think its even on youtube, it was on his birthday) and he was nice about it and said something like "these are the characters they spend an entire career creating and its who everyone knows so theres no reason to change it"
Actually it turns out they can’t be polite
The simple fact is this question to Thayer will be put to him for the rest of his life. He is an opportunist - a KISS cover band player - Gene's assistant - who caught the attention of Paul Stanley who LOVES him.
Just look at how deep Thayer carries this, knowing that although pathetically there are morons that pay to watch this clown show - Thayer within the music industry will never be respected nor even thought of. Boy, did he get upset.
Even has to call his signature guitar the Spaceman model not just the Tommy Thayer model, because no one would know who he is.
Eric and Tommy know they are a sell out. Only one Catman and Spaceman.
We can resell ancient crap in the warehouse to all you guys.
I'm so embarrassed when people see my KISS tattoo.
KISS politicians... Makes me hate the current cash grab even more.
I don't understand why Tommy got pissed about that question, it may be obvious to them but not for every fan out there. Out of respect for the previous band members, Gene and Paul could have created new personas. Both Eric and Vinnie got their own, and people liked it back in the day. Why should it be any different with this lineup, they are just milking the past at this point
And it’s been said many times. As they started getting new members . Coming up with new characters started to seem silly, Those designs are classic and immediately identifiable as KISS. Plus Peter and Ace sold the rights to those designs.
@@timg185 It's been said many times, but that still does not change the fact that Eric Carr came in around 1980, and his makeup was well respected among fans. Even the Ankh Warrior makeup for Vinnie is also part of the nostalgic old Kiss. Gene has always been the face of Kiss, so it would not be hard for them to come up with two new personas. Both the Cat Man and Space Man was characters that Ace and Peter created, it should have stayed that way since it reflected their personalities.
@@MysticGargoyle I didn’t like it at first . But I took my son in 2004 when he was 4. I was to young to go see them in the 70’s. But I had an uncle who wanted to take me. My mother wouldn’t let me go.
I wanted to take my son before it was to late. Eric and Tommy played great. Better than the last show I had seen with Ace and Peter. I enjoyed myself. The reasoning behind the decision to use those designed made sense. Wether or not I agreed at the time.
Sometimes you just have to learn to accept chance . You can’t always get what you want. And not accepting it just prevents you from enjoyment. The 70’s with the original 4 will always be my favorite version. But nothing stays the same.
It's a huge middle finger to Ace and Peter that they get to profit from as well
@@robinriel3384 grown men complaining about who’s wearing make up still cracks me up! 😂
I can't believe it, a Fonz video in a quality better than 360p????
Well said Gene. Its all business. Translation we're only in it for the money! Im rich and youre not. Next question
Interesting to see Singer getting triggered too, he's been to the paul stanley school of perpetualy butthurt.
“Also referred to as a bop bag”
Tommy is CoffeeMan. Go fletch the coffee, Tommy boy.
That´s right, Gene even wrote it. He employed Tommy off his ailing band "Black ´n Blue" to brew coffee and take care of miscellaneous things.
Dude has played with the band longer than ace did
@@thomasflores7817 Is that a compliment?
They may have been in the band for 20 years, but that doesn't matter. They are still imposters.
Glad to know that Stanley thinks the whole thing is silly. Thanks a lot.
It IS silly. It's just a rock band for Christ's sakes
@@michaelracicot233right? Its a rockband that wears clown makeup, if anything was to be taken seriously, why this? Thats whats silly
@@thomasflores7817 Exactly. Im a huge fan of all eras of this band. But, i refused to get worked up over cat makeup. I cringe when someone says Pete is the " real catman" There are no real cat men. I guess Pete was the original Furry though
It sounded like He said catman or space bear.😄 I admire the guy for confronting them with the question. It's funny when you play it back a few times.😄
It wasn’t even a bad question. He complimented the members.
Tommy Thayer acting tough while he’s wearing a cup so his tiny pee-pee doesn’t show through his tights.
Brooo 💀
Thayer... Imposter. Playing aces solos. Wearing his image, pretending to be the guy he calls a loser. Fuck that.
🙄
Lmfao
I'm a huge fan since 1976 and they should have called it quits with the original farewell tour.
They were still young enough to continue. They shouldn’t have quit if they didn’t want to. I accepted a long time ago that they were 4 guys that couldn’t get along. Most bands go through line up changes. It only matters because of they make up and costumes. Now you have grown men whining about make up! I’ve gone to multiple shows and enjoyed myself . I know it’s not Ace and Peter. No one is scamming me.
They were still great when I saw the 2010 and 2012. After that it started going downhill
No one cares what you think.
Totally agree!! If they would have made a real KISS album instead of 🤡circus, raw rock album! It would have been 1976 all over again
I said farewell to them on the first farewell tour. I don’t feel like I’ve missed anything since then
Worlds most expensive tribute band
Eric is also impersonating Peter's anger.
Paul, let’s say at some point in the future you lost the ability to sing. It should be fine for someone who can sing to take your place and draw a star on his eye?
Exactly. He says they had to replace Ace and Peter because they weren’t up to it and then goes out lipsynching the whole show. What a joke!
I'm pretty sure that's exactly his plan
You wanted the best and you got the best, half of us are a cover band.... PISS
Do you realize how many bands from the 70s and 80s that have replaced original members?? Kiss is only one of literally dozens. AC/DC, Yes, Santana, Journey, Black Sabbath, Slayer, Megadeth...That doesn't automatically make the replacement musicians bad! GTFO
@@Retro_Man_76 Do you realise that I don't give a f#@k what you think. Go have a cry and give the Masters your cash
Very touchy for too imposters they should be glad they're being asked any questions
Agree.
Is Tommyboy wearing a cup?
what a joke all they do is rip people off thats what they do best
You can see how triggered Eric is from this he bites back. Paul tries to put it away in a box and when Paul talks Thayer & Singer know to shut up. It's a legitimate question, Thayer & Eric needed to be their own personas instead of copy n paste clones of Ace & Peter. Paul & Gene don't really understand how so many hardcore fans disconnected from Kiss in the last 25 years where all your getting is a cash grab Kiss who try to emulate the glory days.
And it’s true . That question has been asked 1000 times. I imagine it gets annoying having to answer it. Still all the comments are blown out of proportion . I would hardly call this triggered. Annoyed maybe. Just people being haters!
No : they are not haters - they are being realistic. Carr was the Fox , Vincent was the Ankh warrior….. see the problem is KISS is truly recognized by the original characters- they should have quit 25 years ago however Gene & Paul are egomaniacs/ greedy fucks who have desire to give a shit about anyone but themselves : hence to copy & paste model of the lip syncing band still stealing your money
@@timg185 And what is the answer of this "stupid" question, genius?
I no longer consider myself a fan after 25-30 years, but I agree. If Carr and Vincent could have their own personas, I think it would have been a huge boost to the KISS history to finish the last decade or more with new personas designed especially for Eric and Tommy. But yes, now that it's been cemented into their history, let it go.
@@redbull272 again it’s been answered a million times. Coming up with with new personas started to get silly and cheapened the original concept of the band. The four original designs are what people think of when they think of KISS.
I personally think they could have created new personas and it would have been okay. But I’m sure a lot of people would have made fun of them for that too. The years with Carr and Vincent in make up we’re not very good. In the 80’s a lot of people were pining for Ace and Peter . But I think it was the show and performance they did in the 70’s that people wanted just as much. I do remember people saying what’s next when Carr and Vincent were in the band .
Plus when Peter and Ace left after the farewell tour . They were old enough to be more of a nostalgia type of band. The original make up designs paid tribute to their most successful era.
I get that a lot of people don’t agree. But no one is twisting your arm and making you go to shows. They still want to perform and a lot of people still want to go. I agree with Paul when he said he shouldn’t have had to quit and give up his dream because of Ace and Peter. I know if I were him. I would do what ever made me happy.
Without ace and peter today's version of kiss is nothing more than a cover band. It's not the real kiss.
Can’t answer a single question without coming across as a sex pest. I reckon if he’s actually slept with 30 women it’s be an exaggeration.
The other make ups did work. Creatures is one of the best kiss albums. Eric if wrong about that. You mean to tell me Gene at least good business man couldn't figure this out
*claps* wow Paul yes, belittle and degrade your fan base. Such a gentleman. It's a fair question.
Using my imagination I can see Tommy as the ostrich and Singer as the guinea pig.
Yeah man, quit asking "silly" questions we got no answers for lol.
The new personas didn't work because the fans left KISS with Dynasty and Unmasked. They had no CHOICE but to take the makeup off and try to stay relevant.
The Wizard and Fox makeup were cool but nobody cared because the fanbase had dropped so low BEFORE that. KISS would have failed regardless of characters.
The 35,000 fans (cough) couldn't care less because they are either living via nostalgia or are too young enough to know. How about asking the OTHER 35,000 fans THEIR opinions...oh, those fans are just silly.
No, most of those fans kept you in the spotlight so 30 something years later you CAN put other people in makeup and carry on.
100% accurate. Thanks for the comment. Oh and the 35,000 fans there were there because it was a festival. Not just to see them!
Well said 👍
Great points but one thing with Dynasty & Unmasked albums is they opened up Kiss to lots of new worldwide territories. These two albums also had a bigger input from Ace who had been choked out of the final cut over and over. I dare say Ace's amazing Kiss Solo album was a big wake up call to Paul & Gene as Ace outsold all the other members. And maybe because of the Ace factor the real Kiss Alive 3 album which should have covered 79 to 81 never happened. Kiss have always relied on the Live albums to prove their worth. But only when it's pushing Paul and Gene's music. Sucks when you think about it.
@leokimvideo The other thing I didn’t mention was that the Aussie 80 tour was huge, with Eric, proving the new character wasn’t a negative at all. And the South American 83 tour with Vinnie was their biggest ever show to date! So all this nonsense about other characters not working is totally that.
Perfectly said. You nailed it with this comment.
hey Fonz, ? for ya. few months ago, someone had the full live video up of the '76 concert (color and before Destroyer) and I believe its been taken down, just curious if you might have seen it?
Probably saw it. They all blend together since they play the same songs constantly.
I see. I believe the channel was KISS collections or collectables. @@thefonzkiss
"Guess what, we tried other make-up it didn't work"
Didn't work!!?? What, Record sells were plummeting? Lol
I never understood why they just put Ace and Peter's makeup on them. Sure it worked out, but it never felt right. They took the easy way out if you ask me.
The reason is that Kiss is just a nostalgia act now. People wants to see the Spaceman and the Catman on stage, not the turtle boy and the hawk. And they want to hear Rock n Roll all nite and not Morden Day Delilah
I thought Transporter was a good persona.
@@justincase4925They should bring Mark St John back as a zombie
@@Mark3-16 The best story ever was when they had to get Bob Kulick in after Ace just walked out the studio saying 'I've got a card game to go to by 11'. Ace is an absolute dribbling loser but he caused Paul lots of misery so he kinda makes up for it.
Eric Singer could have been the Hawk (& in fact, that WAS talked about) and Tommy Thayer could have been the Space Bandit, a combination of Ace's Spaceman & Paul's Bandit personas (& could have still worn this same outfit because Ace didn't wear it).
That would tied up those loose ends--regarding KISS' other makeup designs--rather nicely & it wouldn't have divided the fans, as much.
But Paul & Gene seemed utterly unconcerned with that, in the end.
How do you convey "hawk" in makeup form on a human face without in lookin ridiculous? I remember Eric Carr's prototype
I've seen photos with the Hawk makeup super-imposed on Eric Singer's face.
He'd look no worse & no weirder than anyone else.
And no one would be confusing him with Peter Criss, or vice versa, as the Catman.
A young lady named Violeta Klein has also posted pictures of herself in the Hawk makeup, on social media.
She looked great--very cute, in my opinion!
*It's all in how you do it.
_Space Bandit_
@@DaP84how do you convey a demon’s wings around someone’s nose without looking ridiculous?
Non-Kiss fans tend to think all the makeup designs look ridiculous
Being an old school Kiss fan, I personally think it's totally unprofessional of them to dress up two other dudes as Ace and Peter. Kiss '74 - '80 RIP
The biggest thing Eric Singer has ever done in his music career is dress up as the guy they fired him for. Not once but twice. If remembered at all he will be remembered for being one of the fake guys in the band. His makeup should be the skunk.
Sounds about right.
Singer has been a great drummer for Kiss, Alice Cooper, and a few other bands. Get an effing clue.
@@Retro_Man_76 he was good with Alice (Brutal Planet is one of the best Coop albums) but come on. He was just an anonymous journeyman. Could have been anyone. Same with his stint with Black Scabbath in 87. And Jake E. Lee threw him out of Badlands because he thought he should get songwriting credit for coming up with his drum parts to the songs. Not the way it works, as he would have quickly found out when he joined KISS.
Gene just solidified in his comment that he cares about the money, not the fans.
BTW nice lip synch job in Aussie from the whole band this time. This after shitting all over a deceased legendary singer. Class acts!😮
I remember when Revenge was coming out, and there was concern about Singer being blonde even without makeup. Nowadays Spineless Simmons and Stanley would not have allowed a blonde member
and Eric still has to wear a wig
Look at Tommy Thayer bouncing up and down with anger when he speaks
He's in a tough place... if I could do what tommy does I'd play for kiss!!
If not Tommy, they would find another guy and make him wear the Spaceman makeup too. It's not Thayer who makes those decisions so I don't understand why people are angry with him.
@@dominikaksiazek7177people aren't angry with Tommy he's pretending to be something he isn't fans love Eric and Bruce should have unmasked again but Money ruined the band as Peter said
Whats overlooked here is the fact they did 2 of the shittiest albums of their career with Dynasty and The Elder, that real rock fans had jumped ship. It wasn't new makeup that doomed them in the 80s it was a disco and crappy concept album they were warned not to do by Ace. Facts.
100%. They were dead in the water in the US by that point. The fact that they were popular in Australia in 80 with Eric and South America in 83 with Eric AND Vinnie proved that other makeup designs were fine, it was over-exposure, doing a kiddy movie, and a gimmick just running its course.
What's really sad is the KISS cover bands are far better than the real thing nowadays, and this interview is a perfect example of the way they behave now. They don't really care about the fans, just the money. In fact Gene himself says it on I think EXposed when they ask him about the makeup. He says they'd be a ripoff of themselves. Guess what, here we are, and yes they are horrible compared to the non-makeup era AND a total embarrassment to their legacy.
Totally forgetting that the non makeup era was horrible…..
Listened to Animalize lately?! 😂
Obviously you're not a musician. Or you are tone deaf. Or just don't give AF that the current band really does suck at this stage. @@malcolmmuggeridge7862
@@KayDee73 have you listened to Revenge or Carnival Of Souls? Obviously not if you think this parody going on is good.
@KayDee73 yes, and Animalize kicks serious ass. As does all of their 80s albums!
@@DJGENEX actually I think they’ve been shite since 1980.
It comes down to merchandising. They can link the past to the present and sell tons of stuff. How many actors have played Batman? Batman merchandise doesn’t care who’s under the mask. Also this ties into the concept that KISS will literally go on indefinitely. Paul & Gene will be replaced. I’m 100% convinced of that. They are selling a brand at this point, not a band. I still love them anyway!
Paul’s ego won’t allow KISS to exist without him. Otherwise it would have happened already. He hasn’t been able to sing for a decade and has faked vocals live since 2019. He says Ace and Peter had to be replaced because they couldn’t handle it anymore, so why is he still there? Hypocrisy.
"Ask the fans what they think?" Paul was out of his mind to say that! That'd be like a defendant in court telling the judge, "Ask my victim's family if I should be found guilty." He didn't have a chance to think that answer through at all, and it's on film, haha, schmuck!
“Hey schmuck I’m gonna put that laser right up your ass!” - Paul Stanley
It doesn’t matter if you are a fan or not. Here is the truth, KISS is a show. This hasn’t been a band in years. KISS is nothing more than a travel road company putting on the same rehearsed, lip synced, actors portraying roles. The days of it being a band playing a live show have long since passed. The make up and characters are just apart of the show and it does not matter who is wearing the paint and the costume. The original band and its members abd the lineup after that were a band and gave you a concert. No matter how Gene, Paul, Tommy, Eric want to spin it. I don’t begrudge anyone their fun and entertainment, just know that this a show with actors playing a part to a script and not the original guys wearing makeup and expressing their personalities and making their music.
After hearing all sides to the argument from Kiss themselves to the fans, It seems like Eric sees it as a hired gig and part of the job and Tommy loves being the spaceman and playing with these guys.
Tommy talking a rare ass sight lol. Mf was still nervous tho 😂
Honestly they should have called it quits in 1981 after the original 4 broke up. Everything since has been cheesy and just put the band in the circus performers catagory
Speak up, liverlips!
I do think it's kinda lame that they made Tommy the Spaceman and Singer the Cat. They should've given them their own persona like they did Vinnie and Carr.
Spaghetti Man and Black Scabbath
How can anyone take KISS seriously at this point? Hell the past twenty years? Irrelevant!
I would really love it if they invited Peter and Ace back onstage after they told them 'yeah, we've dumped Tommy and Eric and realised the original line up is irreplaceable', then when they walk on they realise Tommy and Eric are standing there in their make up. The catch being, there's a mini assault course on stage and the 4 of them have to compete to retain their respective cat-Klown or space-Klown make up and play the gig. There's no choice though, there's no way to exit the stage and the assault course is mandatory.
That’d be more entertaining than hearing Deuce and Cold Gin for the millionth time.
@@thefonzkiss Well after the assault course you'll get a choice of Thayer's robo-clone plastic dross or Ace's free jazz F# Mixolydian mode version of Deuce. Perfect for Gene's next $1.5 million toy box set.
That's a weird question to get so sensitive about. With all they have been through you wouldn't think they would be so thin skinned. Huge Kiss fan, but it's time to end it when an innocent question at a press conference brings out four angry old men getting all bent out of shape over it.
Get off my lawn! And stop asking about my makeup!
Kiss can say whatever the want 35k waiting meanwhile Led Zeppelin the one time they reunited in 07 20 million requested tickets holds the record for most tickets requested and they had no make up and pyrotechnics that’s the difference between a rock band and a bunch of old men squeezing every dime out of their fans. Not cool at all. And Eric singer is 4 ‘11” can anyone say napoleon complex SMH
Kiss was never the biggest they where never the best a propaganda and merchandise company that's all
HOW THE HELLS IT A "SILLY" QUESTION PAUL???? FREAKIN ERIC AND VINNIE HAD THEIR OWN PERSONAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I dont think making new characters would be bad? Like, the fox makeup was really good and accepted, its not like it was a failure just bcs of makeup
Kiss is the Harlem globetrotters of music any member is replaceable
I thought the guy asking the question was pretty respectful, I don’t know why they flipped about it… well I know why but still, kind of uncalled
In 1983, ALL of the band members removed the makeup because it was played out and they were on the verge of being handed their hats. Other makeup concepts didn't wotk because Ace and Peter played such integral roles in the early years of the band.
The way this video ends🤣
I would much rather be me than play someone else on stage..
Fake Ace and Cheater Chriss...since 2003
Answer: To keep the original, classic look of the band. Now stop asking!!!
Well hey, at least Gene was brutally honest at the end. "This means nothing."
Singer & Thayer got Irritated by the Journalist Question but Paul’s Answer was all Business…… people still pay to see them play ………
For those who've been to a kiss concert has anyone see a fan wear the fox makeup
Occasionally. I’ve only ever seen one Vinnie at a concert.
I saw a video from their show in Kyiv, there was a guy in Carr's makeup
Ive seen a lot of Carr fans to be fair hes my favorite memeber besides Ace Frehley
Yes I saw that several times
@@brettdavidson3866 I liked his drumming more than criss's
Ace all day everyday
These guys 🤡 need to hang it up already. What are they on, year 3 of the farewell tour, lol. The original Four made KISS great. Those two imposters make the group a tribute band. Unbelievable
Year 5.
@@thefonzkiss Lol yikes!! 😂
Yes, they need to be constantly called out about it. Nobody needs to pretend that they look like the real thing. Thayer's jawline is too wide and Singer's face too chubby to ever come close to resemble Frehley or Criss. When I see them from a mile away I go nope and pass on the show.
Kiss owns you all😂😂😂
Franken Ace🙄
Going out on top yea sure
Ask the 35,000 people? Most would say they love KISS, but the 2 imposters look like fools wearing Ace and Peter's makeup.
Also, playing Ace and Peters instruments, and singing or lip syncing their songs. Beth for example was Peter Criss' song.
@@jerryspann8713Peter’s song? Ok Einstein. I never knew Peter owned the exclusive rights to that song. Run along now. Adults are talking.
@@sjs1555man shut up.
Gene really said “ask your mommy.” 😂
He thinks he’s cool throwing out schoolyard insults
but dont say nothing bad about his mommy thou!
0:44 no Eric that’s not why they took it off
Their popularity dropped big time in the US after dynasty and the backlash of I was made for loving you, the dynasty tour lost a lot of money, by 1980 for Unmasked they couldn’t even tour the US for it they were only able to do one US show at the palladium in NYC which was Eric Carr first show after Peter left the band, the band the band tours Europe, Australia and New Zealand and sells out Arenas And Stadiums With Eric Carr in the fox makeup, by 1981 Kiss returns to the states and releases Music from the Elder which was a commercial failure and by then the Fans have checked out and gave up on Kiss and found other bands like AC/DC, Van Halen, Iron maiden and etc. Kiss was dead in The US in 1982 and they needed to get back to there roots and they did with Creatures of the Night and with the new member Vinnie Vincent with the Ankh makeup they do the US Creatures tour with sadly was a flop due to the fans already being tired of the band, they go to Brazil and Sell out 3 stadiums and play the biggest crowd they played too ever with Eric Carr and Vinnie Vincent in Makeup. That summer Kiss records a new album in the states with only one option going forward, take the makeup off and get your popularity and fans back in America or keep the makeup on and have smaller tours and less album sales and not have barely any fans left, they took the makeup off for a change and to show fans they are back and not poppy anymore and to get their popularity back, that’s why Eric not cause of the Makeup like you and Gene and Paul try to say😅
You got it.
Love kiss up until the day they gave Eric and Tommy Peter and aces personas. Total horseshit.
Dude asking the question sounds like Borat
Maybe I should be in PR but I was just thinking, instead of getting triggered they could have said "Well, Peter and Ace are getting monetary residuals every time Eric and Tommy use the makeup." and shrug. I mean that's how I'd answer questions like that because it's true. Ace and Peter do get paid for creating the Catman and the Spaceman.
No they don’t. Peter sold his makeup rights in the 80s and Ace sold his makeup rights before the 96 reunion tour. They don’t get any residuals from it at all. You can look up the makeup designs in the registrar of trademarks and see that KISS Corp owns it. The one thing they can get money from is likeness rights if companies want to put a PHOTO of them on a product. This is where Ace gets confused and says in interviews that he owns the makeup rights. He doesn’t. He even admitted in an interview over the last few years that he was mistaken about the makeup rights. The guy doesn’t know what day of the week it is he gets stuff wrong constantly. Like the Grammy he thought he had for Beth. And he said a few weeks ago that Eddie Kramer recorded him doing the solo for Strange Ways in Ace’s home studio. It wasn’t Eddie Kramer and Ace built the studio in 1979 it didn’t even exist in 1974.
Paul had a point regarding "what's next, turtle boy? dog man?", but they shot themselves in the foot after 2000.
Paul's narcissism convinced him to kick out Ace & Peter. Fine. Maybe he had a point, maybe he didn't. But he needed to stop for five minutes and think about the long term ramifications of what would happen if the band, for whatever reason, kept on touring. He didn't. Now it's just weird.
What would have been wrong with Turtle Boy though? If it was its own thing with its own gimmicks and effects and the guitarist did his own thing, what’s the problem? Eric Carr’s fox totally worked. Vinnie’s wizard totally worked. It’s just an excuse to be lazy and replicate the past because they ran out of ideas decades ago. Thanks for the comment!
Tbh I cant imagine Tommy the Turtle dressed like one of the TMNT, and have more fans than he currently has
@@KISSbestfan he’s got no fans now so it would only be an improvement. On paper the Starchild and the spaceman and the demon and the cat are absurd as well. The makeup and the character is just five percent of it.
On the other hand he wanted to be a part of KISS and through years succeeded, while Ace was a part of KISS twice, and blew it perfectly in late 90s.
Man, if only it was over by now, we wouldnt have to discuss this, but would be United discussing Good Old times
@@KISSbestfan not entirely true. Just because they stop touring doesn't mean they are stopping the Kiss machine. They no doubt will find other ways to further decimate their legacy.
I love Gene. There’s no bullshitting with him.
It was always about popularity in the U.S. back then. Unmasked bombed with, as far as the public knew, all four original members in makeup. Fans were done with the makeup and kiddie music
Totally.
Kiddie music my ass. And Unmasked is a very underrated album too.
@@Retro_Man_76 *TRIGGERED KISSTARD*
Except one of the originals didn’t play at all on the album. That was Anton Figbiscuit.
And Ace contributed little. You see Ace on the creatures sleeve, doesn’t mean he played on it. Oh and Pyscho Cashgrab as well. They’re a total fraud. Have been for years. It’s all about getting Paul richer and Gene fatter.
The sad truth is that all of them are actually very poor musicians. I’ve seen better players struggling to fill a hat full of coins busking outside the bus station. They had good marketing and a strong visual. They’ve never been a good musical unit. They still sound like an unrehearsed college band.
Is that actually Ace?
It’s from 2013 so of course not.
Kiss died in 2001
Yeah, they SHOULD have had their own characters.