I appreciated that on the Incident tour. But now the resale ticket market is ridiculous. My 2 fairly mediocre seats for this tour cost well over $200 altogether.
Steven Wilson may be the most underated artist in the music industry, I agree, but he has the most devoted audience I've EVER seen and that explains a lot his success as a solo artist! His fanbase idolizes him and listen to everything he does with religious passion (Myself included!).
He has so many accessible songs in his catalogue, it’s an absolute disgrace that mainstream has not engaged with him. My wife who isn’t a proger loves certain songs and agrees he should be on the radio.
@@RobMooreDisruptors I remember about 8 years ago writing a similar comment on the start of something beautiful by porcupine tree. Porcupine tree probably the greatest band you’ve never heard of. 😂 great interview as well fella. 👏🏻👍🏼
Yeah. I enjoyed Moore's treatment of Wilson better than Beato's. Beato actually resorted to name dropping in order to prop himself up in the conversation.
Here in Greece, when the song "blackfield" came out in 2004, it was played by the mainstream rock radio stations 3-4 times the whole day. Even now everyone recognizes its melody. Mr Steven, I think you miss something while valuating your success, but you inspire me more the way you think it is.
I'm also Greek! xD My beloved cousin played the Stars Die single for me back in 1998 while I was in University (I still try to convince her to sell me this CD, but until now, no luck, as expected). It was love at first note. Ever since Steven's music & lyrics is my way to decode the universe. I'm eternally grateful. she changes every time you look by summer it was all gone now shesmovedon
@@conscience8284 Και το stars die και το shesmovedon κομματαρες. Παλι καλα εγω μεγαλωσα με αυτα λογω οικογενειας, προφανως συνεχισα να ακολουθω τον Στιβεν μεγαλωνοντας γιατι η μουσικη του με γαληνευει και με φερνει κοντα στο πως θα ηθελα να βιωνω τον κοσμο μονιμως, οπως πολλοι αλλοι απο αυτη την σκηνη. Με ταξιδευει. Μπορω να ταυτιστω με την κωδικοποιηση του συμπαντος μεσα απο τους στιχους του. Τωρα στο μυαλο μου ερχεται το trains. "Always the summers are slipping away, find me a way for making it stay"
I've watched every single Steven Wilson interview available on RUclips, however, this is the best. No question! I love that it's at a feature film running time in terms of length, and I feel this enables Steven to really explore thoughts, flesh out certain answers to questions and ponder ideas. Well done!! 💯
He's not underrated, everyone who listens to his music is blown away by the sheer beauty of it. He's just not as famous as it should be, the world literally needs music that touches you this deep. But also this gives us light about the masses, and the music industry. Beauty will never be profitable, massive and an article for conssumption, it will always be something private, intimate and personal, and we all should learn to live like that, staying the fuck out of massive mentality.
I'm glad he's not super popular. As someone said here he's a genius and plays places where we can actually see him perform. I don't doubt he makes money out of it and that's the genius of it. He doesn't answer to anyone but himself
@@RobMooreDisruptors believe I randomly tried listening to “arriving somewhere but not here”. That was the first I ever heard and didn’t like it at all at first. I got bored and turned it off. Came back many months later to listen again and was blown away. Then dove head first into PT and Steven Wilson.
@@RobMooreDisruptors Fear of a Blank Planet. This was based on an internet recommendation when I expressed burnout on Dream Theater. DT: virtuosity, intensity, and all that, but lacking mellifluous quality. SW & PPT offered all that DT had/has but adds beauty. Beauty is an important quality in music, at least for me.
This man can give me chills just by speaking, he's incredible. I've seen almost any interview of Steven Wilson but this one might be my favourite ever, he seemed so engaged cause the questions were good and stimulating.
Love it @gianmarcoponente4609, Rob has done a recent Interview again with Steven! - It tops this one, let me know your thoughts? ruclips.net/video/khY7ICfIxmw/видео.htmlsi=kUYspnnfVdEJ8WnR
I’ve been a Steven fan for over 15 years now and this is hands down the best interview he has given in his career. Admirations for the approach and choice of questions and overall manner of communication. Looking forward to that part two.
Definitely an artist you could sit and happily have a chat with. So down to earth and "normal". So what if he's a music nerd, that's part of his appeal. The fact that as fans we don't quite know what he will do next is why we've stayed with him over the years.
I always think that Bjork and Radiohead are similar in that fact which SW makes about Radiohead, that they both manage to do the experimental and avant-garde and art rock right there in the middle of the mainstream Pop music world and pull it off to great effect, without being pretentious or contrived but with great integrity, skill and artistry...
I don't know if Steven Wilson knows this, perhaps he does, but he truly is one of the most outstanding songwriters of our time. For me, he is a true genius.His eloquence when he speaks also manifests in his songwriting process and final product.
Best Wilson's interview so far. Honest, raw, authentic, articulate, interesting, for me Wilson is a legend in his own right, and one of my favourite singers ever. And I own Blackwater Park (among the others) as I'm a huge Opeth fan, saw them live a few times. I have a lot to thank Steven Wilson for, honestly. Keep up the great work Steven, we love you!
Steven should remember that he has the respect of the part of the music audience that is deeply rooted in the album culture and those that invest more time and energy into the understanding of what they are listening to.
I think this is something that happens to many musicians that fall under the "progressive" umbrella (Phil Collins, Mike Rutherford etc). They all want to be associated with pop stars and not with other dirty Prog bands.
What a fantastic interview! As a huge SW and PT fan, I found your questions and conversation with Steven very engaging and insightful. One music lover to another. Loved this!
Possibly the most interesting interview I' ve seen in the music industry. Humble and honest mentality from both sides. Great work Rob! Steven you are huge!
Rob, that was an outstanding interview. I learned so much more about Steven Wilson, his approach to music, and his music career. And be sure you do that follow-up interview with Steven in the next few months. Thank you!
Loved this interview, Rob. As a huge Steven Wilson and Porcupine Tree fan it was great to have this insight into his life and his sentiments towards the world of music today, "content" culture, and his departure/reunion of Porcupine Tree. I couldn't help but nod in agreement with the calibre of questions you proposed as well as his answers and what he had to say. Bravo.
I watched all of this interview and will watch it again, I'm just starting down the Steven Wilson rabbit hole and I'm loving the ride so far. Nice to have someone so down do earth and relatable.
Awesome interview! Steven is such a well spoken guy! I discovered porcupine tree way after they had parted but was delighted when they reformed. Saw them last week in Amsterdam and boy what an experience that was! This was such a great and inspiring interview as a follow to that experince!
Steven, I think the way you ran your career is genius! You professionally taped all of your videos when you were playing live. That’s how your audience grew by seeing them on RUclips. A boyfriend shared Waiting phase 1 with me and I loved it so much that I started researching your music and then I was hooked!! I played your music so much in my car loudly that my 84-year-old mom sings right along to it, lol. You are my favorite musician!
I will never forget the first time I heard Pendulum's The Fountain. If it wasn't for that track I would've never known about the wonderful musician and person who is Steven Wilson as well as Porcupine Tree as a whole.
@@PatrickLarson Oh, I absolutely recommend you a lot to listen to both Pendulum and Porcupine Tree. Those are excelent bands and personally two of my favorites.
I love hearing this man just speak about anything, the interview was fantastic and it felt to me that Steven was really invested in this interview, more so than many others I've heard him in. It's funny you guys talked about social media because that's how I came to know this podcast was even a thing! Will surely stick around and check some of the other guests you've had in the show!
I’ve never left a comment before on any video anywhere but feel compelled to say that that was the best Steven Wilson interview I’ve ever seen. Might be the best interview with any musician about the music industry vs the entertainment industry. I love his music. And just for the record, if you’re driving around Los Angeles, you will definitely hear Porcupine Tree blasting out of my car.
I have been looking forward to either hearing PT or SW music coming out from the car next to me in traffic and vice versa and giving that person a thumbs up. I am 67 and still hold hope that day will come.
Great interview Rob, Steven is a very intelligent and humble down to earth guy. I am a songwriter/composer in the Latin market, was introduce to PT's music through a sound engineer I was recording project in Southern California. "Arriving Somewhere But Not Here" was the first song a heard, and went on a ride that took me to another musical world. Since I am also a drummer percussionist, Listening to Gavin's time signatures and the way he compliments PT's recordings, I couldn't resist to listening to their whole catalog. I've been a fan ever since, I'm in my 50's and has introduced PT's music to my two daughters, who happened to be musically incline, and they love the music as well. We already bought tickets to go see PT at the Greek Theatre this month. Will be my first experience watching them live, so thrilled and happy to share this moment with my daughters. My daughter's have their personal list of songs that they love, Trains, Open Car,... to name a few and my list could go on and on. Steven is a genius and a great songwriter/composer, We will have the pleasure on giving him and PT a standing ovation well deserved this coming 30th of September at the Greek Theatre. Like Ringo always says " Peace and Love" everybody ✌✌
I’m a massive SW fan and that’s how I found the interview. It was excellent, especially when comparing his integrity and success with other artists who “got away with it.” I’m also an entrepreneur that sold a company so I’ll be looking further at your podcast/channel. Thank you!
I think Steven is one of the most articulate people in the business. I have introduced people to his music who have never looked back. His attitude towards doing his thing a letting people decide is noble and, in the long run, a pretty savvy move. He has had along career and will still be around 20 years from now. As a parallel both Steve Hackett and Robyn Hitchcock have done the same thing and managed to sustain a very successful career. As a strange coincidence, two musicians with very little in common but both have similar views socially to Steve Wilson. I think the word is integrity.
I stumbled upon this episode as a massive fan of both Porcupine Tree and Steven Wilson here in the States. Without exception, he has been my number one on my playlist for many years. Thanks so much for posting.
Amazing interview, very insightful and not your run of the mill questions. I actually like the twist on the interview style when Steven was asking you questions and you randomly presenting points for him to comment on. It didn't feel like a classic interview, but basically a real life conversation that was just joy to listen to. Can't remember the last time I was so invested in a 1.5 hour interview. Great job.
I discovered Porcupine Tree from an advert on the back of a magazine promoting their Signify album. I've been a fan ever since. I really enjoyed the interview and I agree with his comments about how he strives to make his music with integrity above all else.
Dear Steven, I wanna say thank you for your existence. I remember back in 2009 I read an article in magazine about you and Porcupine Tree. And about your upcoming album Insurgentes. It was so tasty written. I found your record and fell in love instantly. Right after that I started to acknowledge PT stuff. I even got inspired by this story of only you recording these first albums, and I started to write my own music too. Later in 2011 I got into Radiohead. Nowadays I believe it is my favorite band. So I sat and watched the whole interview with a big dumb smile on my face. There are no so many musicians whome I can call a heroes and idols, but there will be you definitely! Thank you so much!
I'm saddened that Steven would be frustrated by him not basically being mainstream. I would expect him to understand that he has changed peoples lives with his music in a much deeper way any mainstream music could have. I have been listening to his music all my life and keep coming back for more. Besides Opeth, there have been few other musicians that did that to me. So it's sad to me that he doesn't realize how much the public he does have are invested in his work. As a side note, there is no other band I can listen to live and equate that with their studio work. I find that completely amazing.
I'm not sure if your first sentence is accurate to say. I don't think he was saying he's frustrated by "not being mainstream" to me, it sounds more like he's frustrated by not having gotten more exposure for creating the music he has and does *without* being forced to make music that IS mainstream, like his example with "Shallow" or other songs where it didn't feel genuine from his core. Maybe we're saying the same thing, but I think there is some distinction to be had there.
Curious if you've heard Riverside's 2015 "Love, Fear And The Time Machine"? I ask because it's the only relatively recent record (that I'm familiar with) that rivals PT's and SW's. Riverside in general make epic records, but this one most resembles PT/SW in my book.
"'I'm saddened that Steven would be frustrated by him not basically being mainstream" Totally. Why any rock/prog person would want that, is mystifying.
amazing interview. Rob, you are great, i have never enjoyed an interview so much, and the fact you're a PT/SW fan makes the dinamic so much better, cheers from mexico, mate.
This is brilliant. One of the best interviews on the state of the 'industry' and what it is like to try to be a musician and preserve some degree of integrity. Thank you both for this. Not that this matters too much, but my entry into Steven's music (as a lifelong trained classical and jazz musician) was through fans of Yes / Genesis / Gentle Giant / King Crimson et al., whom I have loved since I 'came of age' as a musician prior to going to college. Likewise a long-time fan of Radiohead.
Hands down the best interview with Steven I have ever seen. Can't believe that even at almost 2 hours long I could have watched more. My gateway to PT was a bootleg CD of their concert at NEARFest in 2001 (or 2000) while they were on tour promoting Lightbulb Sun. It's why Russia on Ice is my favorite PT tune.
Mr. Wilson is a genius. He has VERY large ears, and writes from a place of razor sharp clarity. He is clearly a stellar engineer, and has great taste in guitars/equipment. He puts it all to good use! He also clearly has accumulated many extremely talented friends to work with. I feel that he deserves every kudos available!👹
Found this interview and must say that it has been an excellent and revealing discussion with one of the best living musicians alive today. Well done and looking forward to the follow-up!
Fantastic interview! You really asked great questions and let him talk. Being a fan of his music helped you too, I think. Steven is a genius and a great songwriter, and his melodic instinct is brilliant. As a musician and guitar player I have learned a lot from him, thanks to his willingness to share his insight and experiences. Looking forward to a future update!
Roger that and thank you. Will I see you at Wembley? Yes, I try to let my guests do most of the talking nothing worse that when the interviewer actually wants to be the guest, right?
I've just started listening to some of his older tracks again.. He's awesome. Have you seen the most recent Interview with Steven? - ruclips.net/video/cNTaFArEObU/видео.htmlsi=XVRqOjcy47BmhLkx
Really, REALLY enjoyed it! Interview with Maynard last week (with Rick Beato) and now this one… And this one is even better! 😀 Great week! How about trying to interview Michael from Opeth?
Rick actually mentioned in one of his latest streams that he is gonna interview Steven as well, and that he's trying to schedule things at the moment. Would be really cool as well! Loved this interview, also because it allowed for lengthy answers (in the best way possible). 🤘
@@DefinitelyGerman In a couple of Rick's recent interviews, I highly suggested he interview Steven Wilson. Perhaps he listened to me as he did reach out to me. 😄
Outstanding interview, probably the best I've seen with him in a very long time. Goes into some very interesting and insightful subjects. Made me get back "in love" with the man and his musical world I've been following since quite the beginning, after he "challenged" me with some of his latest releases. Can't wait for the show in Milan.
This one of the most thorough and articulate takes on rock music and its place in 2020s society that I've ever heard. Steven has a very clear perception on how the industry has changed throughout the last three decades, and how some people, both artists and musicians, have difficulty letting go of that "old school" way of creating and distributing music and attaining mainstream attention. The other seismic 21st century band that they neglected to mention was Arctic Monkeys - the last gasp of an era-defining, culture-shifting rock band that prevailed in mainstream culture, and that hasn't happened since 2005.
ThAnX so much for this interview. I love Steven Wilson and I can't get enough of him. He's a genius and an intellectual. ThAnX again for inviting him and ask him those questions.
@@RobMooreDisruptors Please ask him about how he come up with the right sound for a particular melody. For example, when he is sure that X melody should be played on a mellotron or anything else? Does he try lots of them to find the best or anything else. ThAnX in advance.
Very interesting interview, very intelligent and very entertaining. It strikes me that the name of one of the most important bands in contemporary music such as Tool was not mentioned and that it was not recognized as one of the most independent and successful groups, at the same time; playing arenas all over the world. Will Tool be the band that Steven would be envying all this time?
I wish I could give this more than one thumbs-up. A great interview where the guest got to say what he wanted without being moved along to the next question. Even when the "in 15 seconds" came out at the end, it just kept going. I was sat thinking "Don't rush it, line up part two!"
Thank you Ian. The one thing I did not do was rush this, Steven felt very present and I felt very grateful for that. I got through around half of my questions, so hoping that part 2 stays on the table
I can say without a doubt I may haven't ever discovered PT if not for Rush and Lifeson guesting on Anesthetize. Boy am I glad that happened. Great discussion.
Just became a very late bloomer to discover Porcupine Tree, Wow & Double Wow, these guys are amazing, so good, beautiful layers to their music, harmonies, great guitar, how can they be overlooked?
Permanating got a few decent rotations on french mainstream radios, some mainstream press coverage and Steven even guested on "Taratata" a famous live music french show on TV (with an extensive interview). So it"s not like he's never been out here.
I loved this interview. I had the amazing opportunity to see Steven Wilson & Porcupine Tree live at Philadelphia a few weeks ago. Amazing performance. Long live prog rock!
Amazing interview! It's really nice to hear Steven talk so deeply about his career, about music, about the industry, his ambitions, etc. A truly gifted genius!
Porcupine Tree's Closure Continuation introduced me to Steven Wilson's music. I knew it in me i will be a fan of him all the way. What an amazing talent! Hats off!
Hey Steven, What attracted me to Porcupine Tree and your other projects is that you didn't write hit songs, but instead wrote incredible addicting album songs. By the way, I believe that Lazarus would have been a hit, if it had came out 10 years earlier, when all the Radio stations weren't owned by just six big (close minded) corporations.
I've been listening this week "The incident" several times at day almost everyday in loop, the more I listened the more I loved it. This is a great interview with great topics discussed. Congrats and thank you!
@@RobMooreDisruptors That's true. SW has been to Chile several times and his concerts are almost always completely sold out. It may not be in the top 10 on Billboard List, but filling stadiums in countries that are more than 10,000 Km from your country is quite an achievement.
I just discovered Porcupine Tree 3 days ago lmao. Here I am listening to him catalogue/critique his entire 30 years creating music and being in the "industry" and I don't know much of it at all, but some has just gotten me hooked. To Mr. Wilson: I'm the guy blasting metal music out my car window :) My brothers and I all! Also, I wonder what Steven thinks of Tobias/Ghost when he was speaking about modern rock artists having a difficult time.
As big of a fan as I am of Steven Wilson's, I also want to say how amazingly Rob pulled this interview off. Like, the way he talks, it doesn't sound like an interview but a conversation in which you and everyone else is invested.
Fan of 17 years now. Went to see PT in the OVO Arena in Wembley last Friday. One hell of a performance. 👏 Steven is definitely the greatest creative mind to ever grace the rock scene. He might not be the best guitarist nor the best vocalist but he is definitely the best composer/songwriter and knows how to write songs which enable him to shine as a guitarist and a vocalist. Having Richard Barbieri doing his mental synth helps a lot as well imo. And Gavin, well, Gavin is one of the best drummers of our time. So, they’ve got the creativity and the skill and the ability to create timeless pieces of music. I don’t think I’ve ever heard something they made and didn’t like it. I also don’t think any band on earth is so unique the way they are. As soon as I heard C/C I thought that definitely sounds like PT. There isn’t a single group out there that can sound like that. They are one of a kind. Thank you PT for bringing me so much joy and happiness throughout the last 17 years of my life. Thank you Steven for the music you made while PT were on sabbatical. Can’t imagine life without your music.
I went to the OVO show too! It's my first time going to a concert I'm a huge fan of and it was amazing! I was so lucky, they played all my favorite songs except one!
SW has cracked it; he has a huge catalogue, can put out what he wants and has a massive, dedicated fanbase while keeping relative anonymity in his personal life. Always look forward to what he does next 🤘🏼
that was awesome, loved the interview and how candid both of you were, I would have been hard pressed to keep my "fan-boyness" under control but it came out great ! looking forward to part 2
I think Steven Wilson hit the music scene too late - we had so much variety in the 80's and 90's, he would have fit in somewhere. I saw Porcupine Tree's opening show in Toronto last night and I feel like they are one of the world's musical biggest secrets.
What an awesome show it was. Hey Steven no one's there to watch the video! Lol I was so focused on the music I never even looked at the big screen really.
Interesting to hear his reflections on the relative success of the past few albums. I always enjoy everything he puts out, but his work really is at it's best when it's the most ambitious. The last two albums have some gems don't get me wrong. There was just too much middle of the road stuff that didn't stand out, and I don't think it was due to it being pop. It just wasn't very interesting.
I must say that I've listened Harridan on a portuguese radio while I was in a shopping center some months ago. I became so happy when I realized that was Steven's voice!
Great episode. Imo, I think Coldplay just put out music now because they know they'll make money. Muse is totally gone downhill. Their new album was dismal, I mean Compliance and Liberation (really Muse?).
i cant believe that Muse is the same band that released somethin like OOS and absolution and 20 yrs later WSD, sad truth is if they became popular a bit later we would FOR SURE have more alternative, art and space rock stuff from them, so many bands suffer from pop rock syndrome after becominG more popular
It's funny when he mentioned Shallow as one of the songs he sort of feels disingenuous. That was my introduction to the band because every first generation of XBOX 360 had that song pre-installed.
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Don't know if I've ever seen Steven this engaged by an interview. So enthusiastic and expressive.
That means a lot, as both a fan and an interviewer. Thank you for sharing this. Do you have a fave part? I love the bit about his biggest failure
Definitely that as well. Loved his honesty. Part two 🤞
SW did a good interview for Romanian TV, worth checking out on YT
Exactly.
indeed, amazing interview!
For Steven I wish he had more success, but I really enjoy being part of a “secret club” and seeing him at small and more affordable venues.
It's like King Crimson club. Huge fan base but most people never heard of that band.
@@stevemuzak8526 Everyone knows King Crimson dude stop trying to look cool
I appreciated that on the Incident tour. But now the resale ticket market is ridiculous. My 2 fairly mediocre seats for this tour cost well over $200 altogether.
@@greatcoldemptiness Say what?
"Small and affordable"? They've just sold out Wembley Arena.
Steven Wilson may be the most underated artist in the music industry, I agree, but he has the most devoted audience I've EVER seen and that explains a lot his success as a solo artist! His fanbase idolizes him and listen to everything he does with religious passion (Myself included!).
100% with you on this. Anyone into rock I have spent much time and energy trying to convert to PT/SW
For me it's a tie between him and Devin Townsend. I can't decide who I prefer. (And I'm completely cool with that. I like them for different reasons)
This man has no fans, he has disciples.
He has so many accessible songs in his catalogue, it’s an absolute disgrace that mainstream has not engaged with him. My wife who isn’t a proger loves certain songs and agrees he should be on the radio.
I think Marillion has an even more loyal fan base, but SW is a close second.
Steven Wilson: the best musician you've never heard of. Love Steven's music, so lucky to have discovered him many years ago.
Indeed, that is a great title to the next interview: "Steven Wilson; the best musician you've never heard of'
@@RobMooreDisruptors I remember about 8 years ago writing a similar comment on the start of something beautiful by porcupine tree. Porcupine tree probably the greatest band you’ve never heard of. 😂 great interview as well fella. 👏🏻👍🏼
Absolutely, have you seen the most recent Interview Robs done with Steven? - It's epic, ruclips.net/video/khY7ICfIxmw/видео.htmlsi=7SnwxSTwujdpS-ZC
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"Steven Wilson: The Best Musician Who Doesn't Consider Himself a Musician"
That was easily the best interview with Steven Wilson ever. 100% honest. So well done!
Appreciate that Steve
Yeah. I enjoyed Moore's treatment of Wilson better than Beato's. Beato actually resorted to name dropping in order to prop himself up in the conversation.
Loved it too! Have you seen his recent Interview this month? It's brilliant, ruclips.net/video/khY7ICfIxmw/видео.htmlsi=hIg6r4piZNh4X8LD
Here in Greece, when the song "blackfield" came out in 2004, it was played by the mainstream rock radio stations 3-4 times the whole day. Even now everyone recognizes its melody. Mr Steven, I think you miss something while valuating your success, but you inspire me more the way you think it is.
I'm also Greek! xD My beloved cousin played the Stars Die single for me back in 1998 while I was in University (I still try to convince her to sell me this CD, but until now, no luck, as expected). It was love at first note. Ever since Steven's music & lyrics is my way to decode the universe. I'm eternally grateful.
she changes every time you look
by summer it was all gone
now shesmovedon
@@conscience8284 Και το stars die και το shesmovedon κομματαρες. Παλι καλα εγω μεγαλωσα με αυτα λογω οικογενειας, προφανως συνεχισα να ακολουθω τον Στιβεν μεγαλωνοντας γιατι η μουσικη του με γαληνευει και με φερνει κοντα στο πως θα ηθελα να βιωνω τον κοσμο μονιμως, οπως πολλοι αλλοι απο αυτη την σκηνη. Με ταξιδευει. Μπορω να ταυτιστω με την κωδικοποιηση του συμπαντος μεσα απο τους στιχους του. Τωρα στο μυαλο μου ερχεται το trains. "Always the summers are slipping away, find me a way for making it stay"
@@Panospf Ναι, ναι & ναι. Το shesmovedon είναι το αγαπημένο μου τραγούδι, ΤΕΛΕΙΑ. Είναι ένας άρρητος αριθμός.
all of the rest will flow
@@conscience8284 and the moon touches our shoulders and brings the day back
@@Panospf Nαι!
I've watched every single Steven Wilson interview available on RUclips, however, this is the best. No question! I love that it's at a feature film running time in terms of length, and I feel this enables Steven to really explore thoughts, flesh out certain answers to questions and ponder ideas. Well done!! 💯
That means a lot as both a fan and an interviewer, so thank you for this feedback
Have you seen the most recent one Rob has done with Steven?
ruclips.net/video/khY7ICfIxmw/видео.htmlsi=oZ1es9OM4qT4P74r
He's not underrated, everyone who listens to his music is blown away by the sheer beauty of it. He's just not as famous as it should be, the world literally needs music that touches you this deep. But also this gives us light about the masses, and the music industry. Beauty will never be profitable, massive and an article for conssumption, it will always be something private, intimate and personal, and we all should learn to live like that, staying the fuck out of massive mentality.
Pretty much. People are obsessed with global success.
I appreciate the sentiment. But I also happen to love Led Zeppelin, Alice in Chains and Iron Maiden.
I'm glad he's not super popular. As someone said here he's a genius and plays places where we can actually see him perform. I don't doubt he makes money out of it and that's the genius of it. He doesn't answer to anyone but himself
@@lindanoble7047 I'm sure the band also agrees that money isn't important.🤡
@@tmst2199don't insinuate l'm a clown!!!
Absolute living legend. I can’t get over this guys music.
Me too. An unstoppable musician
What was the gateway album or song for you?
@@RobMooreDisruptors believe I randomly tried listening to “arriving somewhere but not here”. That was the first I ever heard and didn’t like it at all at first. I got bored and turned it off. Came back many months later to listen again and was blown away. Then dove head first into PT and Steven Wilson.
@@RobMooreDisruptors Fear of a Blank Planet. This was based on an internet recommendation when I expressed burnout on Dream Theater. DT: virtuosity, intensity, and all that, but lacking mellifluous quality. SW & PPT offered all that DT had/has but adds beauty. Beauty is an important quality in music, at least for me.
@@RobMooreDisruptors "Radioactive Toy" and "Nine Cats". I got instantly hooked. Two months later, "In Absentia" came out.
This man can give me chills just by speaking, he's incredible. I've seen almost any interview of Steven Wilson but this one might be my favourite ever, he seemed so engaged cause the questions were good and stimulating.
Thank you so much, as an interviewer and a fan that means a lot
Love it @gianmarcoponente4609, Rob has done a recent Interview again with Steven! - It tops this one, let me know your thoughts? ruclips.net/video/khY7ICfIxmw/видео.htmlsi=kUYspnnfVdEJ8WnR
I’ve been a Steven fan for over 15 years now and this is hands down the best interview he has given in his career. Admirations for the approach and choice of questions and overall manner of communication. Looking forward to that part two.
Thank you, as both a fan and an interviewer that means a lot
Totally agreed!
Part 2 is up! have you watched it yet?
ruclips.net/video/khY7ICfIxmw/видео.htmlsi=hIg6r4piZNh4X8LD
Definitely an artist you could sit and happily have a chat with.
So down to earth and "normal". So what if he's a music nerd, that's part of his appeal.
The fact that as fans we don't quite know what he will do next is why we've stayed with him over the years.
I always think that Bjork and Radiohead are similar in that fact which SW makes about Radiohead, that they both manage to do the experimental and avant-garde and art rock right there in the middle of the mainstream Pop music world and pull it off to great effect, without being pretentious or contrived but with great integrity, skill and artistry...
They're both the epitome of pretentious.
I don't know if Steven Wilson knows this, perhaps he does, but he truly is one of the most outstanding songwriters of our time. For me, he is a true genius.His eloquence when he speaks also manifests in his songwriting process and final product.
Best Wilson's interview so far.
Honest, raw, authentic, articulate, interesting, for me Wilson is a legend in his own right, and one of my favourite singers ever.
And I own Blackwater Park (among the others) as I'm a huge Opeth fan, saw them live a few times.
I have a lot to thank Steven Wilson for, honestly.
Keep up the great work Steven, we love you!
Steven should remember that he has the respect of the part of the music audience that is deeply rooted in the album culture and those that invest more time and energy into the understanding of what they are listening to.
I think this is something that happens to many musicians that fall under the "progressive" umbrella (Phil Collins, Mike Rutherford etc). They all want to be associated with pop stars and not with other dirty Prog bands.
What a fantastic interview! As a huge SW and PT fan, I found your questions and conversation with Steven very engaging and insightful. One music lover to another. Loved this!
Awesome, loved it too! have you seen Stevens most recent Interview? ruclips.net/video/khY7ICfIxmw/видео.htmlsi=-ayFUlKf-ccAaZ_f, its bigger than this.
Possibly the most interesting interview I' ve seen in the music industry. Humble and honest mentality from both sides. Great work Rob! Steven you are huge!
Rob, that was an outstanding interview. I learned so much more about Steven Wilson, his approach to music, and his music career. And be sure you do that follow-up interview with Steven in the next few months. Thank you!
This is hands-down the best SW interview I've seen. Great work.
Loved this interview, Rob. As a huge Steven Wilson and Porcupine Tree fan it was great to have this insight into his life and his sentiments towards the world of music today, "content" culture, and his departure/reunion of Porcupine Tree. I couldn't help but nod in agreement with the calibre of questions you proposed as well as his answers and what he had to say. Bravo.
I watched all of this interview and will watch it again, I'm just starting down the Steven Wilson rabbit hole and I'm loving the ride so far.
Nice to have someone so down do earth and relatable.
Awesome interview! Steven is such a well spoken guy! I discovered porcupine tree way after they had parted but was delighted when they reformed. Saw them last week in Amsterdam and boy what an experience that was! This was such a great and inspiring interview as a follow to that experince!
Steven, I think the way you ran your career is genius! You professionally taped all of your videos when you were playing live. That’s how your audience grew by seeing them on RUclips. A boyfriend shared Waiting phase 1 with me and I loved it so much that I started researching your music and then I was hooked!! I played your music so much in my car loudly that my 84-year-old mom sings right along to it, lol. You are my favorite musician!
I will never forget the first time I heard Pendulum's The Fountain. If it wasn't for that track I would've never known about the wonderful musician and person who is Steven Wilson as well as Porcupine Tree as a whole.
Thanks, did not know about this band.
@@PatrickLarson Oh, I absolutely recommend you a lot to listen to both Pendulum and Porcupine Tree. Those are excelent bands and personally two of my favorites.
Wow...I love Pendulum and I love that track as well but I've never noticed it was made with collaboration with Steven Wilson, what a coincidence
I love hearing this man just speak about anything, the interview was fantastic and it felt to me that Steven was really invested in this interview, more so than many others I've heard him in. It's funny you guys talked about social media because that's how I came to know this podcast was even a thing! Will surely stick around and check some of the other guests you've had in the show!
Yes I like the paradox of social media too, & grateful that you enjoyed the depth of the interview
I’ve never left a comment before on any video anywhere but feel compelled to say that that was the best Steven Wilson interview I’ve ever seen. Might be the best interview with any musician about the music industry vs the entertainment industry. I love his music. And just for the record, if you’re driving around Los Angeles, you will definitely hear Porcupine Tree blasting out of my car.
AS a fan and an interviewer it is great to read your comment thank you for taking the time to leave your first comment
I have been looking forward to either hearing PT or SW music coming out from the car next to me in traffic and vice versa and giving that person a thumbs up. I am 67 and still hold hope that day will come.
Great interview Rob, Steven is a very intelligent and humble down to earth guy. I am a songwriter/composer in the Latin market, was introduce to PT's music through a sound engineer I was recording project in Southern California. "Arriving Somewhere But Not Here" was the first song a heard, and went on a ride that took me to another musical world. Since I am also a drummer percussionist, Listening to Gavin's time signatures and the way he compliments PT's recordings, I couldn't resist to listening to their whole catalog. I've been a fan ever since, I'm in my 50's and has introduced PT's music to my two daughters, who happened to be musically incline, and they love the music as well. We already bought tickets to go see PT at the Greek Theatre this month. Will be my first experience watching them live, so thrilled and happy to share this moment with my daughters. My daughter's have their personal list of songs that they love, Trains, Open Car,... to name a few and my list could go on and on. Steven is a genius and a great songwriter/composer, We will have the pleasure on giving him and PT a standing ovation well deserved this coming 30th of September at the Greek Theatre. Like Ringo always says " Peace and Love" everybody ✌✌
Aw what a lovely comment, I hope your daughters get to see this. I am seeing PT at Wembley. I also rate Gavin as one of the best drummers i the world
What do you think of Steven Wilson? & what did you agree or disagree with during our conversation?
I think he's one of the most brilliant artists of the last 30 years.
I’m a massive SW fan and that’s how I found the interview. It was excellent, especially when comparing his integrity and success with other artists who “got away with it.” I’m also an entrepreneur that sold a company so I’ll be looking further at your podcast/channel. Thank you!
SW and PT are the GOAT’s!
Bit o’ trivia: Chris Martin and Lou Reed were both born on March 2nd. Of course, they were born 35 years apart but still…..
Might be the best interview I've ever seen with Steven Wilson.
I think Steven is one of the most articulate people in the business. I have introduced people to his music who have never looked back. His attitude towards doing his thing a letting people decide is noble and, in the long run, a pretty savvy move. He has had along career and will still be around 20 years from now.
As a parallel both Steve Hackett and Robyn Hitchcock have done the same thing and managed to sustain a very successful career. As a strange coincidence, two musicians with very little in common but both have similar views socially to Steve Wilson.
I think the word is integrity.
I stumbled upon this episode as a massive fan of both Porcupine Tree and Steven Wilson here in the States. Without exception, he has been my number one on my playlist for many years. Thanks so much for posting.
Amazing interview, very insightful and not your run of the mill questions. I actually like the twist on the interview style when Steven was asking you questions and you randomly presenting points for him to comment on. It didn't feel like a classic interview, but basically a real life conversation that was just joy to listen to. Can't remember the last time I was so invested in a 1.5 hour interview. Great job.
So thrilled to see PT live! I've discovered them long after they split up and I'm surprised that they will play again
I discovered Porcupine Tree from an advert on the back of a magazine promoting their Signify album. I've been a fan ever since. I really enjoyed the interview and I agree with his comments about how he strives to make his music with integrity above all else.
Thank you for being here and for your comment
first time hearing SW talking and expressing everything so freely. I can listen to him for hours
Dear Steven, I wanna say thank you for your existence.
I remember back in 2009 I read an article in magazine about you and Porcupine Tree. And about your upcoming album Insurgentes. It was so tasty written. I found your record and fell in love instantly. Right after that I started to acknowledge PT stuff. I even got inspired by this story of only you recording these first albums, and I started to write my own music too.
Later in 2011 I got into Radiohead. Nowadays I believe it is my favorite band.
So I sat and watched the whole interview with a big dumb smile on my face.
There are no so many musicians whome I can call a heroes and idols, but there will be you definitely! Thank you so much!
Top tier interview. I appreciate the opportunity to listen
I'm saddened that Steven would be frustrated by him not basically being mainstream. I would expect him to understand that he has changed peoples lives with his music in a much deeper way any mainstream music could have. I have been listening to his music all my life and keep coming back for more. Besides Opeth, there have been few other musicians that did that to me. So it's sad to me that he doesn't realize how much the public he does have are invested in his work. As a side note, there is no other band I can listen to live and equate that with their studio work. I find that completely amazing.
I'm not sure if your first sentence is accurate to say. I don't think he was saying he's frustrated by "not being mainstream" to me, it sounds more like he's frustrated by not having gotten more exposure for creating the music he has and does *without* being forced to make music that IS mainstream, like his example with "Shallow" or other songs where it didn't feel genuine from his core. Maybe we're saying the same thing, but I think there is some distinction to be had there.
Listen to Plini 😉
@@PapaP86 You are right of course, I should have been more accurate with my wording :)
Curious if you've heard Riverside's 2015 "Love, Fear And The Time Machine"? I ask because it's the only relatively recent record (that I'm familiar with) that rivals PT's and SW's. Riverside in general make epic records, but this one most resembles PT/SW in my book.
"'I'm saddened that Steven would be frustrated by him not basically being mainstream" Totally. Why any rock/prog person would want that, is mystifying.
amazing interview. Rob, you are great, i have never enjoyed an interview so much, and the fact you're a PT/SW fan makes the dinamic so much better, cheers from mexico, mate.
This is brilliant. One of the best interviews on the state of the 'industry' and what it is like to try to be a musician and preserve some degree of integrity. Thank you both for this.
Not that this matters too much, but my entry into Steven's music (as a lifelong trained classical and jazz musician) was through fans of Yes / Genesis / Gentle Giant / King Crimson et al., whom I have loved since I 'came of age' as a musician prior to going to college. Likewise a long-time fan of Radiohead.
Great interview, congratulations!
Hands down the best interview with Steven I have ever seen. Can't believe that even at almost 2 hours long I could have watched more. My gateway to PT was a bootleg CD of their concert at NEARFest in 2001 (or 2000) while they were on tour promoting Lightbulb Sun. It's why Russia on Ice is my favorite PT tune.
Thank you for this lovely comment, as an interviewer and fan this means a lot
That was great , can’t believe how quickly that went some long interviews are boring but I loved all of this, thanks !
Mr. Wilson is a genius. He has VERY large ears, and writes from a place of razor sharp clarity. He is clearly a stellar engineer, and has great taste in guitars/equipment. He puts it all to good use! He also clearly has accumulated many extremely talented friends to work with. I feel that he deserves every kudos available!👹
Found this interview and must say that it has been an excellent and revealing discussion with one of the best living musicians alive today. Well done and looking forward to the follow-up!
Fantastic interview! You really asked great questions and let him talk. Being a fan of his music helped you too, I think. Steven is a genius and a great songwriter, and his melodic instinct is brilliant. As a musician and guitar player I have learned a lot from him, thanks to his willingness to share his insight and experiences. Looking forward to a future update!
Roger that and thank you. Will I see you at Wembley? Yes, I try to let my guests do most of the talking nothing worse that when the interviewer actually wants to be the guest, right?
I've just started listening to some of his older tracks again.. He's awesome. Have you seen the most recent Interview with Steven? - ruclips.net/video/cNTaFArEObU/видео.htmlsi=XVRqOjcy47BmhLkx
Please, schedule that follow-up interview. That was an amazing interview. You really brought out Steven's full engagement.
Really, REALLY enjoyed it! Interview with Maynard last week (with Rick Beato) and now this one… And this one is even better! 😀 Great week! How about trying to interview Michael from Opeth?
Rick actually mentioned in one of his latest streams that he is gonna interview Steven as well, and that he's trying to schedule things at the moment. Would be really cool as well!
Loved this interview, also because it allowed for lengthy answers (in the best way possible). 🤘
@@DefinitelyGerman In a couple of Rick's recent interviews, I highly suggested he interview Steven Wilson. Perhaps he listened to me as he did reach out to me. 😄
@@DefinitelyGerman I was spamming Rick's live chat with Steven Wilson stuff for years.
Thank you that is a great honour. Appreciate the comment
Amazing, please do the follow up soon and ask about the Porcupine Tree tour too.
Outstanding interview, probably the best I've seen with him in a very long time. Goes into some very interesting and insightful subjects. Made me get back "in love" with the man and his musical world I've been following since quite the beginning, after he "challenged" me with some of his latest releases.
Can't wait for the show in Milan.
This is the BEST Steven interview I've heard. Excellent conversation!
This one of the most thorough and articulate takes on rock music and its place in 2020s society that I've ever heard. Steven has a very clear perception on how the industry has changed throughout the last three decades, and how some people, both artists and musicians, have difficulty letting go of that "old school" way of creating and distributing music and attaining mainstream attention. The other seismic 21st century band that they neglected to mention was Arctic Monkeys - the last gasp of an era-defining, culture-shifting rock band that prevailed in mainstream culture, and that hasn't happened since 2005.
Truly amazing interview. Massive thanks
Really great interview. I appreciate Steven's honesty, and I'm also a megafan. To me, he's a massive role model for artists who want to be artists.
ThAnX so much for this interview. I love Steven Wilson and I can't get enough of him. He's a genius and an intellectual. ThAnX again for inviting him and ask him those questions.
And thank you for tuning in and for your comment. What should I ask him for round two?
@@RobMooreDisruptors Please ask him about how he come up with the right sound for a particular melody. For example, when he is sure that X melody should be played on a mellotron or anything else? Does he try lots of them to find the best or anything else. ThAnX in advance.
This guys a genius in every sense of the word. Porcupine Tree is one of those bands that should be playing arenas, criminally underrated
No it shouldn't...
Very interesting interview, very intelligent and very entertaining. It strikes me that the name of one of the most important bands in contemporary music such as Tool was not mentioned and that it was not recognized as one of the most independent and successful groups, at the same time; playing arenas all over the world. Will Tool be the band that Steven would be envying all this time?
Brilliant. Spot on. A great interview and thoroughly enjoyable.
Great interview Rob. Thanks for doing this
My pleasure and thank you for tuning in
A bit late but I gotta say this is one of my most favourite interviews ever, excellent job!
Amazing to think this guy is 55 years old - he never seems to age!
Now that you mention it he really aged well for such a hard working guy!
I wish I could give this more than one thumbs-up. A great interview where the guest got to say what he wanted without being moved along to the next question. Even when the "in 15 seconds" came out at the end, it just kept going. I was sat thinking "Don't rush it, line up part two!"
Thank you Ian. The one thing I did not do was rush this, Steven felt very present and I felt very grateful for that. I got through around half of my questions, so hoping that part 2 stays on the table
Easily one of the greatest interviews on the current state of the music industry and the art world on the internet. Always love hearing from SW
As both a fan and interviewer that means a lot, thank you
One of the best interview I have the joy to watch and liste to! GREAT JOB and THANKS!
Thank you for tuning in I really appreciate it
This man's a genius of our time. ❤
I can say without a doubt I may haven't ever discovered PT if not for Rush and Lifeson guesting on Anesthetize. Boy am I glad that happened. Great discussion.
Anesthetize was one of the entry songs for me, too
Same here.
Same with me-Thanks to Big Al
Just became a very late bloomer to discover Porcupine Tree, Wow & Double Wow, these guys are amazing, so good, beautiful layers to their music, harmonies, great guitar, how can they be overlooked?
Best SW interview… ever. Thank you so much!!!
Wow, thank you, as an interviewer and a fan that means a lot
He is genius. Love his authenticity and the way he goes deep in analysis of things. Everything he makes is BIG.
He is amazing. So creative and beautifully eloquent. His music has been part of my life for so many years- I'm so grateful.
Thank you for this. Love listening to Steven Wilson bitch about things.
Grateful to be alive alongside with this guy, awesome.
Permanating got a few decent rotations on french mainstream radios, some mainstream press coverage and Steven even guested on "Taratata" a famous live music french show on TV (with an extensive interview). So it"s not like he's never been out here.
I loved this interview. I had the amazing opportunity to see Steven Wilson & Porcupine Tree live at Philadelphia a few weeks ago. Amazing performance. Long live prog rock!
Amazing interview! It's really nice to hear Steven talk so deeply about his career, about music, about the industry, his ambitions, etc. A truly gifted genius!
Love Steven Wilson, and his music. Blessed to have seen Porcupine Tree live twice.
the title is an atrocity, but I clicked to hear Wilson talk about Radiohead
Porcupine Tree's Closure Continuation introduced me to Steven Wilson's music. I knew it in me i will be a fan of him all the way. What an amazing talent! Hats off!
Wow! How’d you come across C/C?
Steven is simply a genius
I could listen to Steven talk all day! Almost 2 hours felt like 15 minutes, I loved the interview and obvioulsly would love a part 2!❤
Hey Steven, What attracted me to Porcupine Tree and your other projects is that you didn't write hit songs, but instead wrote incredible addicting album songs. By the way, I believe that Lazarus would have been a hit, if it had came out 10 years earlier, when all the Radio stations weren't owned by just six big (close minded) corporations.
I've been listening this week "The incident" several times at day almost everyday in loop, the more I listened the more I loved it. This is a great interview with great topics discussed. Congrats and thank you!
In Chile Steven is almost mainstream I would say. His music resonates a lot with our complex, miserable, pure, joyfuly contradictory kind of lives.
I didn't know that, thank you for sharing. I wonder if Steven knows that?
@@RobMooreDisruptors He has gone to Chile quite a few times, I believe
@@RobMooreDisruptors That's true. SW has been to Chile several times and his concerts are almost always completely sold out.
It may not be in the top 10 on Billboard List, but filling stadiums in countries that are more than 10,000 Km from your country is quite an achievement.
I just discovered Porcupine Tree 3 days ago lmao. Here I am listening to him catalogue/critique his entire 30 years creating music and being in the "industry" and I don't know much of it at all, but some has just gotten me hooked. To Mr. Wilson: I'm the guy blasting metal music out my car window :) My brothers and I all! Also, I wonder what Steven thinks of Tobias/Ghost when he was speaking about modern rock artists having a difficult time.
Mikael Akerfeldt (Opeth) next!
As big of a fan as I am of Steven Wilson's, I also want to say how amazingly Rob pulled this interview off. Like, the way he talks, it doesn't sound like an interview but a conversation in which you and everyone else is invested.
Radiohaed is my favorite band ever.
And every album from Radiohaed is different 95 % of the time.
Fan of 17 years now. Went to see PT in the OVO Arena in Wembley last Friday. One hell of a performance. 👏 Steven is definitely the greatest creative mind to ever grace the rock scene. He might not be the best guitarist nor the best vocalist but he is definitely the best composer/songwriter and knows how to write songs which enable him to shine as a guitarist and a vocalist. Having Richard Barbieri doing his mental synth helps a lot as well imo. And Gavin, well, Gavin is one of the best drummers of our time. So, they’ve got the creativity and the skill and the ability to create timeless pieces of music. I don’t think I’ve ever heard something they made and didn’t like it. I also don’t think any band on earth is so unique the way they are. As soon as I heard C/C I thought that definitely sounds like PT. There isn’t a single group out there that can sound like that. They are one of a kind. Thank you PT for bringing me so much joy and happiness throughout the last 17 years of my life. Thank you Steven for the music you made while PT were on sabbatical. Can’t imagine life without your music.
I went to the OVO show too! It's my first time going to a concert I'm a huge fan of and it was amazing!
I was so lucky, they played all my favorite songs except one!
this was an incredible conversation. Really appreciate you both.
He's the most well known unknown musician ever.
No he isn't lmao
Cool last name
Great interview that felt like just two guys talking. Well done.
SW has cracked it; he has a huge catalogue, can put out what he wants and has a massive, dedicated fanbase while keeping relative anonymity in his personal life. Always look forward to what he does next 🤘🏼
Yes I think in the end he acknowledged that both his success and failure give him quite a good niche position
Agreed
that was awesome, loved the interview and how candid both of you were, I would have been hard pressed to keep my "fan-boyness" under control but it came out great ! looking forward to part 2
I think Steven Wilson hit the music scene too late - we had so much variety in the 80's and 90's, he would have fit in somewhere. I saw Porcupine Tree's opening show in Toronto last night and I feel like they are one of the world's musical biggest secrets.
Oh wow, how was the gig. I am seeing them Wembley Arena in Nov
What an awesome show it was. Hey Steven no one's there to watch the video! Lol I was so focused on the music I never even looked at the big screen really.
This is such a wonderful interview. Thank you for posting this.
Interesting to hear his reflections on the relative success of the past few albums.
I always enjoy everything he puts out, but his work really is at it's best when it's the most ambitious. The last two albums have some gems don't get me wrong. There was just too much middle of the road stuff that didn't stand out, and I don't think it was due to it being pop. It just wasn't very interesting.
agree
I must say that I've listened Harridan on a portuguese radio while I was in a shopping center some months ago. I became so happy when I realized that was Steven's voice!
Great episode. Imo, I think Coldplay just put out music now because they know they'll make money. Muse is totally gone downhill. Their new album was dismal, I mean Compliance and Liberation (really Muse?).
i cant believe that Muse is the same band that released somethin like OOS and absolution and 20 yrs later WSD, sad truth is if they became popular a bit later we would FOR SURE have more alternative, art and space rock stuff from them, so many bands suffer from pop rock syndrome after becominG more popular
@@zer0953 Couldn't agree more.
Muse are brilliant and experimental
I lost interest in Muse many years ago.
Man! I just stumble on this interview and it was amazing!!! Thank you!!
Thank you Chuck I appreciate that
It's funny when he mentioned Shallow as one of the songs he sort of feels disingenuous. That was my introduction to the band because every first generation of XBOX 360 had that song pre-installed.
Weird because I never picked that up about the song, but clearly others did
Saw Porcupine Tree in Philadelphia this time around and only had one song on my wishlist which was Anesthetize. They did not disappoint!!!