Whenever I click on one of your videos I have to be prepared to fatten up my tbr.😂 I just want to add that I as a believer am very excited to start this book.
Since I’ve retired from a 30 year career as an English teacher, I have been devouring religious history and beliefs. I’ve been a teetering agnostic for most of my life, but I guess you might call it my search for truth (better late than never?) I vaguely remember reading this as a young woman, but I will definitely reread it. I wasn’t much for reflection and truth in the days when everything was a struggle to get a degree, feed a family, etc. That’s the beauty of this time in life.
So true. Schools and universities do not necessarily pursue truth. It was the foundation of the institutions originally. For me there is no more important search a human can make. Sadly the majority of debates on youtube etc are full of sophists trying to deliver knock-out blows to another person's argument. Anyone who does that, in my opinion, is not actually looking for truth, they are looking to bolster there position.
@@tristanandtheclassics6538 True. I am grateful for my education introducing me to Shakespeare and the great writers though. My main problem seems to be retention of plots, characters, etc. I did remember the interesting family name in The Way of All Flesh though, so that’s a small comfort!
@@tristanandtheclassics6538 There are at least two truths being confused. There is the physical truth such as if you do not drink water you will die. Then there are the, let's say, social truths which are constructed for social values which change over time as community values change.
I loved it as a New Testament Christian. Before I became a Christian I was cut to the heart from listening to reasoning and through that I wanted to know what must I do to be saved from my sin. I died to self, repented, and was buried with Christ in the waters of immersion and through my faith which was from evidence; I was raised with Christ in the working of God. I was sealed in Christ. I devote myself to the Apostles teaching, the breaking of bread and prayers. I continue to read the word and seek for Truth-the process of becoming complete. Always trying to be ready to give a defense for the reason of hope that is in me with gentleness and fear of the Lord. There’s nothing more important than seeking truth. Excel still more and be like the Thessalonians and search for truth.
I'm in my mid forties and whilst I've heard this book's title being bandied around here and there, it never once occurred to me to even pick it up. I'd probably mistakenly assumed that it was going to be something entirely different to how you explained it today, and that initial bias stayed with me for years. Now though? Now, you've invigorated my desire to read more Victorian books, with a really lovely, enthusiastic review, in which your own exuberance is infectious. Do I need any more books? Nope. Will I ever get around to reading all of the books I own? Nuh-uh. Am I still going to go procure a copy of this for myself? Heck yes! You have a wonderful was of engaging us - the audience - with your naturally excited, passionate reviews. I don't even know why I didn't watch it when you originally recorded and uploaded it, four months ago. But I'm really glad to have had this video appear in my sidebar of recommendations today. This was an excellent way to get so many of us to go try TWOAF for ourselves. Thank you again! Bex
I read this book a couple years back and it left a deep impression. It’s one of those books that require pondering and time to digest. I wish I’d had someone to discuss it with, but you’re right! No one I know has read it!
I really must read this book, which I've heard about but not read, and you explain the conceits so clearly that I'm very grateful to you for the recommendation.
There is nothing more important! As for the book, it's not an in depth argument of the points of the religious/irreligious discussion. In fact I disagree with many of Ernest/butler's ideas. The power is in Ernests genuine pursuit for truth. He is overall objected to by all sides, but that's not the actual story. What are you reading currently.
This type of critical thinking is just what I need. I have in recent years been discovering more and more stories that I have told myself so often that I was convinced they were true. Specifically about my own and others motivations for their words or actions.
I love this topic!! You have gotten me thinking Tristan! What is truth? What do I believe to be true? These are fascinating questions, and considering what's happening in U.S. politics right now, they couldn't be more relevant.
I read TWOAF many years ago for a course and loved it, much to my surprise. It's quite gently funny in some places, and it's just a great read. One little vignette that I remember is how the village church gradually changed from low to high church without anyone really noticing. I think it's time for a reread.😊
Hello Tristan: I have never heard about this book, "The Way of All Flesh," by Samuel Butler. I will have to check if my library has a copy, and read it. I am not a speed/fast reader, because I do stop and question what I am reading etc., etc. I also make lots of notes as I read, and look up the definition of words I have not come across in the past, etc., etc.
I read this in April and was quite moved by the parent/child relationships throughout the Pontifex generations. My heart especially broke when Ernest lamented that he was never allowed to feel towards his father what he was trying to feel. A line I copied down reads as follows, “It often happens that if the son is right, the father is wrong, and the father is not going to have this if he can help it.” Such a heartbreaking chasm between a parent and their child, and one that is most likely not too uncommon. Thank you, Tristan for highlighting this work.
I read it as part of your patreon group. I must confess I had never heard of it and would never have chosen it myself. However I picked it up because of you. At first i did not like it and almost gave up but I stuck with it and discovered it was really worthwhile!! THANK YOU TRISTAN!!!
I haven't read this but after hearing someone's very thoughtful review last year, I picked up a copy. I need to get to it soon as I think examining one's religious beliefs is important. I spent years doing so and I ultimately determined my beliefs were not based in fact. I am even more eager to read this now.
There was Victorian humor buried in the words here. It begins with the burn, “some boys are born stupid, and thou art one of them. Some achieve stupidity - that’s thee again. Thou wast both born stupid and hast greatly increased thy birthright”- ch I / 1 . There are so many things that can be discussed in this book. Some are timeless, and others are products of its era. Most are still interesting, if framed in modern equivalents. I thought the book was about BELIEF (about faith, not truth). We believe in something that we think is true, but really cannot prove or disprove, so it is FAITH and BELIEF (not truth) that matters. And that the same whether it is faith in God, or faith in Science. "Your question shows me that you have never read your Bible. A more unreliable book was never put on paper." ( ch LII / 52)
Thank you so much for covering one of my favorite novels of all time! Like you, I struggle to think of any fictional book that I love more. In addition to the personal pursuit of truth, Butler also masterfully details the unique experience of being raised by narcissistic parents and brilliantly points out how the world is designed to reward and nurture narcissism and crush people who are humble, honest, introspective, and empathetic. "The Way of All Flesh" is a brilliant exploration of how psychological trauma is passed from generation to generation.
All I know about Samuel Butler is that his (prose) translations of Homer's Iliad and Odyssey are often considered the "worst" of all the English translations, yet there are still people who benefit from his translations. My own favorite prose translations are the ones by Rieu (and revised by Rieu's son, also a scholar in his own right). The Rieu translations are what largely contributed to making Penguin Classics world famous (followed closely by Dorothy Sayers's translations of Dante's Divine Comedy).
This may be of interest - if only as a light-hearted distraction to the breadth of the Odyssey. ruclips.net/video/XAuvujYjt6A/видео.htmlsi=DTq6nUAFf7VncBKl
Samuel Butler encourages us to be sceptical and to question everything. Especially to question ourselves, religious dogma and Butler himself. Carl Sagan was very capable of encouraging the need to ask difficult questions - and to be willing to accept an answer that we don't agree with. Can I be disappointed when the bus doesn't turn up? Absolutely. What I need is faith in my own abilities to get to my destination whether the bus arrives or not.
I have read it. It's good. I feel like "Erewhon" is maybe more famous? It's interesting how books that are really famous in one generation fall out of favour in later years.
This book is on my shelf but I have never read it. Your review has got me interested. As a contrarian by temperament, I have always looked askance at consensus opinion. In particular, the expression “my truth “ has always seemed absurd to me.
Hi, Tristan, thank you for sharing! I admit, I’ve heard the name of the author, but nothing about this book… sounds truly interesting and I’ll check, whether it’s available or maybe even translated into German… Wish you a nice reading summer, with a lot of opportunities to read outside, if you like that as much as I do, love, Monika❣
@@tristanandtheclassics6538 I agree, I even bought a new comfort chair, 'folding buddy', I want to carry it round the house, always near the nicest flowers, and depending on shadow and sun. And I found your recommended book in German, second hand! It will be here in some days and I hope to enjoy it!
Thank you for this video. It is liberating to live in search of truth, no belief can be your master, you can shed any belief in the presence of better evidence or logic. You can establish a high threshold for belief and thereby free yourself from a lot of useless baggage.
I have actually read that one. It's on the Boxall list of 1001 Books to Read Before You Die. So it hasn't been completely forgotten. But it had gotten jumbled in my mind with Brecht's Three Penny Novel which I read around the same time, (very different plot, I know) so I enjoyed this refresher.
Interesting. I knew of Butler as the author of *Erewhon*, and in fact, *The Way of All Flesh* was one of the books on the bookshelves at home when I was growing up, but never had any desire to read the book because of the title.
Ooh this sounds interesting! You're right that I haven't read it (yet), but I do have a copy. Maybe this is the nudge I needed to get around to reading it.
I read it in my early twenties so I'm due for a refresher. But I can't emphasize enough how often I come across diaries and reminiscences of 19th century figures who were deeply influenced by The Way of All Flesh.
Is there an objective truth, or truths or only MY truth? How does truth differ from belief? How will I KNOW when I’ve found truth? Think I need to read this one Tristan.
I’m definitely going to read this. I’ve recommended to anyone who cares the book Transitions by William Bridges. Non fiction with strong references to the Odyssey to explain the author’s points. Excellent book.
I was reading about the publishing of the book and it said when it was published posthumously in the early 1900s it was heavily edited and was not published in its original form until the 1960s. Is the later published version the one you are referring to?
I find that people can confuse truth or faith with comfort. Comfort in being able to tell themselves that there is a grand plan or that nothing matters and everything is meaningless. Simply because it is so. There is comfort in that sort of mental surrender. Yet, for some, such an idea is tantamount as shutting ones eyes and calling it shade.
Without having read the novel, it seems Butler has written about how Socrates berated his fellow Athenians for their lack of critical thinking. Pilate's question to Jesus: "What is truth?" Actors usually say those words in a tone of contempt. Then you have the "Doubting Thomas". Then, you have Kierkegaard's comment that so many people claim to be Christians but not really are. Emerson said that "... for every Stoic was a Stoic, but in all Christendom, where is the Christian?" Only two classes made me more intelligent---logic and statistics. The media narratives about Mother Teresa and the "Matthew Shepard case" turned out not to be true, but people believe the media narrative. Christopher Hitchens exposed the truth about Mother Teresa. The Book of Matt" has revealed the Matthew Shepard Case was simply a drug deal gone bad. Karl Popper has said you can disprove a theory but not really prove one.
Very true. As to Kierkegaard's comment, I have found this to be ond of the big reasons for people's unbelief; the conduct of religious people put many off. Yet most I have spoken to have little knowledge of what the teachings actually are.
this sounds like the kind of book that is best imbibed by annotating while reading, so that the reader is essentially having a conversation with the author.
Sounds like a good read thanks for the suggestion.❤ I often wonder how some people can believe in the existence of a god and equally some believe there is no god. We are born intelligent enough to ask all these questions about the origins and purpose of life and yet we will die none the wiser. 😕
Maybe I am one of the few who can hold both what is truth/what is fact and can be proven as well as what I believe based on faith/with no empirical evidence. I don't see it to be a conflict in my life and in my values
As a part of the Patreon group, I can confirm Tristan's comment about people not considering this book before. I was one of those people. I had a copy collecting dust on my shelf which I had looked at a few times only to put it back and move on to a different book. I'm so glad Tristan picked this book or I may have never read it. It is a wonderful book. I was surprised to discover it was quite funny in many places. Not much happens, but Butler is so brilliant at what he does, that you will be taken into the story and find it hard to put down.
Fascinating. I want to read it. Found it on the Project Gutenberg Pages! In the end I think the debate will be about the validity of the arguments. Thank you for this video. Greetings from the Netherlands...
Hope you enjoy it 😀 The arguments are not extensive and are not the main focus. The point is that Ernest shows us that we should dig deep into the things we take for granted. That we should all make a search for truth without looking to verify what we want to be truth.
Faith has more than one meaning. The fact that it can be used to mean a reasonable expectation based on evidence doesn’t mean religious faith is based on good evidence. If you have good evidence for a belief, you can say you have faith in the belief, which just means evidence based trust. But if asked to justify the belief you only invoke “faith” if you have no good evidence. Faith itself is NEVER a reason to believe something.
This sounds really interesting! Thanks for the recommendation and pointers! Also, the "good person" non christian vs the religous hypocrite reminds me of Dickens a little bit. Edit: Interestingly enough, Jesus claimed to be the truth. Just a thought 🤔
@@janebaily3758 The Pursuit of Love and Love in a Cold Climate. A paperback with both appeared in the charity shop, so that's my frivolous summer treat taken care of. 🙂
I agree with you that The Way of All Flesh is a wonderful book. I love the charming wit and wisdom of its narrative voice and that the narrative voice is clearly a gay man.
Thank you for this video... I can hardly wait to get my hands on a copy of this book and start reading! The search for Truth seems to be sorely lacking in today's world, and I expect this to be a refreshing and thought-provoking read.
I don't have enough faith to believe that the Universe created itself. Something must have always been here because you can't make something out of absolutely nothing. I choose to call that prime cause by the word "God" Having thus become convinced absolutely that God must exist I look to see what people think about God. And like the ancient Jews I do not believe we can know much about him, nor picture what he is, nor what he "looks" like. This is in contrast to all the religions around the Jews in Canaan who did think they knew what God looked like and a hundred other things about him. To the Jews, God to seemed to say to them when they asked about him: "I am what I am, that's who I am." In other words he answered: "you are not able to understand". And like Pharaoh Akhenaten who also believed in one primal cause, they believed that salvation comes by living righteously, not by buying the priest's or the witch's charms and magic. In other words, salvation is not for sale. Meanwhile all the other nations in Canaan did believe in salvation by shortcuts: magic and potions, anything that was easier than righteous living. The God they imagined was thus trivial and worthless to society.
Thank you for sharing. I like that you provide a definite line of reasoning to your conclusions, and I'm sure they are far more extensive than the comment section permits. This is the point Butler quietly explores through Ernest in the book: that we should all seek deeply, rather than merely parroting soundbites. Most reading this book will hone in on the things that they agree with - whether that is belief or unbelief - and conclude that Butler agrees with them, thus solidifying their position superficially. That is a subtle point he is making. Rather, we should all make a ernest search for what is true, not what is expedient or preferred. It is the principle Butler is interested in, not necessarily the particular topic. This idea should be applied everywhere a person considers important. Climate change; race relations; government; religion; morality etc etc. According to Butler, the majority will hold their position, not based upon a thorough individual search but on the clever sounding comments they casually pick up and repeat. This is one of the reasons I do not share my thoughts on lots of topics directly pertaining to the books I discuss. I want my viewers to dig to their own conclusions without my opinions colouring a book first. It was great to read your polite and well thought out comment. I especially appreciate these comments. 😀❤️
When you read God’s word (the Bible) Jesus says that HE is the way, the TRUTH (emphasis mine) and life and NO ONE comes to the Father (in Heaven) but by Him. I didn’t get that belief by osmosis but by the fact that He changed me and saved me by HIS shedding of blood on the cross so that I wouldn’t have to! The TRUTH is………. There is a Heaven and there is a hell. We go to either one or the other when this life is over. And this life is getting shorter and shorter-it won’t last forever. Where do you want your forever to be? It’s THE most important question to ask yourself today because today is the day of salvation. You may not live to see the end of this day and then what? Please don’t hesitate to ask Jesus to be your Lord and Savior!
I have enjoyed reading all my life and continue to do so in my retirement. When I came across your channel recently, I thought it’s such a shame that students aren’t fed like you feed your viewers. I have read and heard it said that the Bible is the book of books and so it makes me wonder whether you have read it. Unlike what most people do when they start reading the Bible, I suggest you don’t start with Genesis but rather one of the biographies of Jesus. I would recommend Luke who has been acknowledged by secular authorities as being a first class historical work. The book of Acts follows on naturally after that and describes what happened with Jesus’ followers after his death. It’s important to note that in Jesus’ day there was no one who refuted what Jesus said or did for he spoke with authority and it was the truth. The miracles or signs, as he called them, simply pointed to the truth of what he was saying. It’s not a long read and I believe that with these two books under your belt you’ll certainly get a good understanding of TRUTH. I’ve love to hear from you when you’ve done that! Greetings from Hobart 😁😉
I have read the Bible numerous times. And I agree with the statement that it is the book of books. There are a great deal of inaccurate and false statements made about it by both irreligious and religious people. It is perhaps the best example for highlighting Butlers' point. I have heard and watched so many try to rubbish the Bible with not even the most basic knowledge of what it says. That is damning evidence that these ones are not interested in finding truth but rather in coddling their own views. This includes some of the most popular debaters on the subject who frequently make the preposterous claim that faith is believing in something without evidence. On the other hand, there are many who accept the bible, espousing things about it that are also untrue or not following its tenets. This, too, betrays a genuine search for truth. If one really thought it was true, wouldn't one follow it carefully? The truth seeker will not judge based upon what other people say and do, but will carefully examine these things themselves to see whether they are so. A more noble attitude I cannot imagine. 😀❤️. I'd be happy to discuss it further.
That is absolutely right, Tristan, and it is such a pity that down through the centuries the truth has been so misrepresented. That is why, if you do have the time to read the gospel of Luke, I would love to know whether your opinion and views about what it means to be a follower of Christ means. Thanks, Tristan. 💛
😂😂😂 Yes and look how that's working out!😀 Someone told me there was no such thing as truth quite seriously, once. I asked if they thought that statement was true. 😅👍
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Has truth ever been as hated as it is today?
You’re gutsy Tristan for addressing morals, Christian value!
Faith and prayer in and to God changes a person. A peace that anchors despite the circumstances of life.
It certainly does.
Whenever I click on one of your videos I have to be prepared to fatten up my tbr.😂 I just want to add that I as a believer am very excited to start this book.
Me too!! 😂
And me.
Same
Since I’ve retired from a 30 year career as an English teacher, I have been devouring religious history and beliefs. I’ve been a teetering agnostic for most of my life, but I guess you might call it my search for truth (better late than never?) I vaguely remember reading this as a young woman, but I will definitely reread it. I wasn’t much for reflection and truth in the days when everything was a struggle to get a degree, feed a family, etc. That’s the beauty of this time in life.
So true. Schools and universities do not necessarily pursue truth. It was the foundation of the institutions originally. For me there is no more important search a human can make. Sadly the majority of debates on youtube etc are full of sophists trying to deliver knock-out blows to another person's argument. Anyone who does that, in my opinion, is not actually looking for truth, they are looking to bolster there position.
@@tristanandtheclassics6538 True. I am grateful for my education introducing me to Shakespeare and the great writers though. My main problem seems to be retention of plots, characters, etc. I did remember the interesting family name in The Way of All Flesh though, so that’s a small comfort!
It’s never too late. 🙂
@@tristanandtheclassics6538 There are at least two truths being confused. There is the physical truth such as if you do not drink water you will die. Then there are the, let's say, social truths which are constructed for social values which change over time as community values change.
It sounds like the right book for these times as well. Thanks for the recommendation!
I read that at uni.... I believe a reread is in order and I'm so happy to have your take on it.
I loved it as a New Testament Christian. Before I became a Christian I was cut to the heart from listening to reasoning and through that I wanted to know what must I do to be saved from my sin. I died to self, repented, and was buried with Christ in the waters of immersion and through my faith which was from evidence; I was raised with Christ in the working of God. I was sealed in Christ. I devote myself to the Apostles teaching, the breaking of bread and prayers. I continue to read the word and seek for Truth-the process of becoming complete. Always trying to be ready to give a defense for the reason of hope that is in me with gentleness and fear of the Lord. There’s nothing more important than seeking truth. Excel still more and be like the Thessalonians and search for truth.
I'm in my mid forties and whilst I've heard this book's title being bandied around here and there, it never once occurred to me to even pick it up. I'd probably mistakenly assumed that it was going to be something entirely different to how you explained it today, and that initial bias stayed with me for years. Now though? Now, you've invigorated my desire to read more Victorian books, with a really lovely, enthusiastic review, in which your own exuberance is infectious. Do I need any more books? Nope. Will I ever get around to reading all of the books I own? Nuh-uh. Am I still going to go procure a copy of this for myself? Heck yes!
You have a wonderful was of engaging us - the audience - with your naturally excited, passionate reviews. I don't even know why I didn't watch it when you originally recorded and uploaded it, four months ago. But I'm really glad to have had this video appear in my sidebar of recommendations today. This was an excellent way to get so many of us to go try TWOAF for ourselves.
Thank you again!
Bex
I read this book a couple years back and it left a deep impression. It’s one of those books that require pondering and time to digest. I wish I’d had someone to discuss it with, but you’re right! No one I know has read it!
Goodness! I’ve read this book twice. Yep! I’m old.
I'm sure you're not. You just use your time wisely 😀
@@tristanandtheclassics6538 You,sir,are a true gentleman.
Splendid! I found a copy of this at a used book sale but have yet to sink my teeth into it. Looking forward to it now more than ever!
I really must read this book, which I've heard about but not read, and you explain the conceits so clearly that I'm very grateful to you for the recommendation.
Thank you for adding one more book to my already impossible to conquer TBR! I’ve never heard of this book and it sounds very interesting. 😊
I am not quite ready to read that book, but the basis is essential to self understanding!!! Searching for truth is the great mission !
There is nothing more important! As for the book, it's not an in depth argument of the points of the religious/irreligious discussion. In fact I disagree with many of Ernest/butler's ideas. The power is in Ernests genuine pursuit for truth. He is overall objected to by all sides, but that's not the actual story. What are you reading currently.
I was eagerly waiting for your video ❤, added this book to my tbr.
Hope you enjoy it!
It sounds intriguing and you made it sounds even more interesting 😊
This type of critical thinking is just what I need. I have in recent years been discovering more and more stories that I have told myself so often that I was convinced they were true. Specifically about my own and others motivations for their words or actions.
Pen and paper ready!! So excited Tristan! Thank you!!!
I love this topic!! You have gotten me thinking Tristan! What is truth? What do I believe to be true? These are fascinating questions, and considering what's happening in U.S. politics right now, they couldn't be more relevant.
I read TWOAF many years ago for a course and loved it, much to my surprise. It's quite gently funny in some places, and it's just a great read. One little vignette that I remember is how the village church gradually changed from low to high church without anyone really noticing. I think it's time for a reread.😊
“A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.” Ralph Waldo Emerson
@@marthacanady9441 lovely quote.😀
Hello Tristan: I have never heard about this book, "The Way of All Flesh," by Samuel Butler. I will have to check if my library has a copy, and read it. I am not a speed/fast reader, because I do stop and question what I am reading etc., etc. I also make lots of notes as I read, and look up the definition of words I have not come across in the past, etc., etc.
I read this in April and was quite moved by the parent/child relationships throughout the Pontifex generations. My heart especially broke when Ernest lamented that he was never allowed to feel towards his father what he was trying to feel. A line I copied down reads as follows, “It often happens that if the son is right, the father is wrong, and the father is not going to have this if he can help it.” Such a heartbreaking chasm between a parent and their child, and one that is most likely not too uncommon. Thank you, Tristan for highlighting this work.
The critique of parenting standards is exceptional. It is also emblematic of how we as a society develop so many habits by consensus of society.
This sounds like an excellent book! Thanks for the recommendation, can't wait to read it!
I read it as part of your patreon group. I must confess I had never heard of it and would never have chosen it myself.
However I picked it up because of you.
At first i did not like it and almost gave up but I stuck with it and discovered it was really worthwhile!! THANK YOU TRISTAN!!!
"Beauty is truth, and truth beauty . . . " Will definitely read this next, Tristan. Thank you.
I haven't read this but after hearing someone's very thoughtful review last year, I picked up a copy. I need to get to it soon as I think examining one's religious beliefs is important. I spent years doing so and I ultimately determined my beliefs were not based in fact. I am even more eager to read this now.
There was Victorian humor buried in the words here. It begins with the burn, “some boys are born stupid, and thou art one of them. Some achieve stupidity - that’s thee again. Thou wast both born stupid and hast greatly increased thy birthright”- ch I / 1 .
There are so many things that can be discussed in this book. Some are timeless, and others are products of its era. Most are still interesting, if framed in modern equivalents.
I thought the book was about BELIEF (about faith, not truth). We believe in something that we think is true, but really cannot prove or disprove, so it is FAITH and BELIEF (not truth) that matters. And that the same whether it is faith in God, or faith in Science.
"Your question shows me that you have never read your Bible. A more unreliable book was never put on paper." ( ch LII / 52)
This book is on my shelf, but I haven't read it. I'm going to pick it up today.
Have you read Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis?
Mere Christianity is great. The chapter on forgiveness was life changing for me.
Thank you so much for covering one of my favorite novels of all time! Like you, I struggle to think of any fictional book that I love more.
In addition to the personal pursuit of truth, Butler also masterfully details the unique experience of being raised by narcissistic parents and brilliantly points out how the world is designed to reward and nurture narcissism and crush people who are humble, honest, introspective, and empathetic. "The Way of All Flesh" is a brilliant exploration of how psychological trauma is passed from generation to generation.
All I know about Samuel Butler is that his (prose) translations of Homer's Iliad and Odyssey are often considered the "worst" of all the English translations, yet there are still people who benefit from his translations. My own favorite prose translations are the ones by Rieu (and revised by Rieu's son, also a scholar in his own right). The Rieu translations are what largely contributed to making Penguin Classics world famous (followed closely by Dorothy Sayers's translations of Dante's Divine Comedy).
This may be of interest - if only as a light-hearted distraction to the breadth of the Odyssey.
ruclips.net/video/XAuvujYjt6A/видео.htmlsi=DTq6nUAFf7VncBKl
Samuel Butler encourages us to be sceptical and to question everything. Especially to question ourselves, religious dogma and Butler himself.
Carl Sagan was very capable of encouraging the need to ask difficult questions - and to be willing to accept an answer that we don't agree with.
Can I be disappointed when the bus doesn't turn up? Absolutely. What I need is faith in my own abilities to get to my destination whether the bus arrives or not.
Sounds interesting. I'll definitely give it a try.
I have read it. It's good. I feel like "Erewhon" is maybe more famous? It's interesting how books that are really famous in one generation fall out of favour in later years.
I must be old. Not only have I heard of the book and author, but I have read it.
This book is on my shelf but I have never read it. Your review has got me interested. As a contrarian by temperament, I have always looked askance at consensus opinion. In particular, the expression “my truth “ has always seemed absurd to me.
You've a very contagious smile sir. Well, thanks for the recommendation
Excellent video. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
I am putting this book on my TBR immediately. Thank you ! ❤
Hi, Tristan, thank you for sharing! I admit, I’ve heard the name of the author, but nothing about this book… sounds truly interesting and I’ll check, whether it’s available or maybe even translated into German… Wish you a nice reading summer, with a lot of opportunities to read outside, if you like that as much as I do, love, Monika❣
Reading outside is one of life's greatest joys. 😊
@@tristanandtheclassics6538 I agree, I even bought a new comfort chair, 'folding buddy', I want to carry it round the house, always near the nicest flowers, and depending on shadow and sun. And I found your recommended book in German, second hand! It will be here in some days and I hope to enjoy it!
Thank you for this video. It is liberating to live in search of truth, no belief can be your master, you can shed any belief in the presence of better evidence or logic. You can establish a high threshold for belief and thereby free yourself from a lot of useless baggage.
That takes me back. I read TWOAF almost fifty years ago, and it's definitely a book that no one seems to talk about or read these days.
Oh, I love that book! I read it last year. Found it at a library sale for a buck. One I would read again.
Samuel Butler wrote another great book which has some very eerie parallels with modern society......Erewhon. I highly recommend it.
Yes, it has captured my interest such that I have reserved it at my library.
I have actually read that one. It's on the Boxall list of 1001 Books to Read Before You Die. So it hasn't been completely forgotten. But it had gotten jumbled in my mind with Brecht's Three Penny Novel which I read around the same time, (very different plot, I know) so I enjoyed this refresher.
Im definitely going to read this! Thanks for what you do 😊
I really hope that you enjoy it.
I hope that you enjoy it 😀
Read it long ago, probably because of the title, a phrase I had heard often.😊
Interesting. I knew of Butler as the author of *Erewhon*, and in fact, *The Way of All Flesh* was one of the books on the bookshelves at home when I was growing up, but never had any desire to read the book because of the title.
Ooh this sounds interesting! You're right that I haven't read it (yet), but I do have a copy. Maybe this is the nudge I needed to get around to reading it.
I read it in my early twenties so I'm due for a refresher. But I can't emphasize enough how often I come across diaries and reminiscences of 19th century figures who were deeply influenced by The Way of All Flesh.
Sounds really interesting!
Very true! Thank you!
You won me. I will get the book. Very interesting.
I really hope that you enjoy it.
Okay, I’m sold.
Is there an objective truth, or truths or only MY truth? How does truth differ from belief? How will I KNOW when I’ve found truth? Think I need to read this one Tristan.
Never heard of the book. After this, may well have to seek this out.
Yes,I have read it. I inherited it from my parents. I've actually read it twice.
I’m definitely going to read this. I’ve recommended to anyone who cares the book Transitions by William Bridges. Non fiction with strong references to the Odyssey to explain the author’s points. Excellent book.
I was reading about the publishing of the book and it said when it was published posthumously in the early 1900s it was heavily edited and was not published in its original form until the 1960s. Is the later published version the one you are referring to?
Another thought is that nothing compels you to hate anybody that thinks differently from you or necessarily love those that agree with you.
I find that people can confuse truth or faith with comfort. Comfort in being able to tell themselves that there is a grand plan or that nothing matters and everything is meaningless. Simply because it is so. There is comfort in that sort of mental surrender. Yet, for some, such an idea is tantamount as shutting ones eyes and calling it shade.
Without having read the novel, it seems Butler has written about how Socrates berated his fellow Athenians for their lack of critical thinking.
Pilate's question to Jesus: "What is truth?" Actors usually say those words in a tone of contempt. Then you have the "Doubting Thomas". Then, you have Kierkegaard's comment that so many people claim to be Christians but not really are. Emerson said that "... for every Stoic was a Stoic, but in all Christendom, where is the Christian?" Only two classes made me more intelligent---logic and statistics. The media narratives about Mother Teresa and the "Matthew Shepard case" turned out not to be true, but people believe the media narrative. Christopher Hitchens exposed the truth about Mother Teresa. The Book of Matt" has revealed the Matthew Shepard Case was simply a drug deal gone bad. Karl Popper has said you can disprove a theory but not really prove one.
Very true. As to Kierkegaard's comment, I have found this to be ond of the big reasons for people's unbelief; the conduct of religious people put many off. Yet most I have spoken to have little knowledge of what the teachings actually are.
Available on Hoopla, 17 hour audiobook. I’ll give it a try.
this sounds like the kind of book that is best imbibed by annotating while reading, so that the reader is essentially having a conversation with the author.
Sounds like a good read thanks for the suggestion.❤ I often wonder how some people can believe in the existence of a god and equally some believe there is no god. We are born intelligent enough to ask all these questions about the origins and purpose of life and yet we will die none the wiser. 😕
As Mark Twain wrote, "Faith is believing what you know ain't so."
No, actually, it isn’t.
MT is right as usual. Faith is just belief without evidence. In other words delusion.
Another wonderful video! I highly recommend checking out “The Varieties of Religious Experience” by William James.
Great 🙏❤️
When you know the truth, you are at peace.
Age old question! Even Pilate talking to Jesus argued’What is truth’!
Maybe I am one of the few who can hold both what is truth/what is fact and can be proven as well as what I believe based on faith/with no empirical evidence. I don't see it to be a conflict in my life and in my values
'I should do another video on it "I'm waiting Tristran
As a part of the Patreon group, I can confirm Tristan's comment about people not considering this book before. I was one of those people. I had a copy collecting dust on my shelf which I had looked at a few times only to put it back and move on to a different book. I'm so glad Tristan picked this book or I may have never read it. It is a wonderful book. I was surprised to discover it was quite funny in many places. Not much happens, but Butler is so brilliant at what he does, that you will be taken into the story and find it hard to put down.
Fascinating. I want to read it. Found it on the Project Gutenberg Pages! In the end I think the debate will be about the validity of the arguments. Thank you for this video. Greetings from the Netherlands...
Hope you enjoy it 😀 The arguments are not extensive and are not the main focus. The point is that Ernest shows us that we should dig deep into the things we take for granted. That we should all make a search for truth without looking to verify what we want to be truth.
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Faith has more than one meaning. The fact that it can be used to mean a reasonable expectation based on evidence doesn’t mean religious faith is based on good evidence. If you have good evidence for a belief, you can say you have faith in the belief, which just means evidence based trust. But if asked to justify the belief you only invoke “faith” if you have no good evidence. Faith itself is NEVER a reason to believe something.
Being a truth-seeker sounds right up my alley!
Thank you for this video!!🎉
Being trained in the physical sciences, this doesnt sound like a challenging notion...
This sounds really interesting! Thanks for the recommendation and pointers!
Also, the "good person" non christian vs the religous hypocrite reminds me of Dickens a little bit.
Edit: Interestingly enough, Jesus claimed to be the truth. Just a thought 🤔
It's on the bedside table, awaiting a re-read. But not before Nancy Mitford, who is at the head of the queue.
Which Nancy Mitford? Thanks!
@@janebaily3758 The Pursuit of Love and Love in a Cold Climate. A paperback with both appeared in the charity shop, so that's my frivolous summer treat taken care of. 🙂
I agree with you that The Way of All Flesh is a wonderful book. I love the charming wit and wisdom of its narrative voice and that the narrative voice is clearly a gay man.
Thank you for this video... I can hardly wait to get my hands on a copy of this book and start reading! The search for Truth seems to be sorely lacking in today's world, and I expect this to be a refreshing and thought-provoking read.
Who would have thought…
OMG Tristan. My list of books to read based on your recommendations is getting longer and longer. 😂😂
I don't have enough faith to believe that the Universe created itself. Something must have always been here because you can't make something out of absolutely nothing. I choose to call that prime cause by the word "God"
Having thus become convinced absolutely that God must exist I look to see what people think about God.
And like the ancient Jews I do not believe we can know much about him, nor picture what he is, nor what he "looks" like. This is in contrast to all the religions around the Jews in Canaan who did think they knew what God looked like and a hundred other things about him. To the Jews, God to seemed to say to them when they asked about him: "I am what I am, that's who I am." In other words he answered: "you are not able to understand".
And like Pharaoh Akhenaten who also believed in one primal cause, they believed that salvation comes by living righteously, not by buying the priest's or the witch's charms and magic. In other words, salvation is not for sale. Meanwhile all the other nations in Canaan did believe in salvation by shortcuts: magic and potions, anything that was easier than righteous living. The God they imagined was thus trivial and worthless to society.
Thank you for sharing. I like that you provide a definite line of reasoning to your conclusions, and I'm sure they are far more extensive than the comment section permits.
This is the point Butler quietly explores through Ernest in the book: that we should all seek deeply, rather than merely parroting soundbites.
Most reading this book will hone in on the things that they agree with - whether that is belief or unbelief - and conclude that Butler agrees with them, thus solidifying their position superficially. That is a subtle point he is making. Rather, we should all make a ernest search for what is true, not what is expedient or preferred. It is the principle Butler is interested in, not necessarily the particular topic.
This idea should be applied everywhere a person considers important. Climate change; race relations; government; religion; morality etc etc. According to Butler, the majority will hold their position, not based upon a thorough individual search but on the clever sounding comments they casually pick up and repeat.
This is one of the reasons I do not share my thoughts on lots of topics directly pertaining to the books I discuss. I want my viewers to dig to their own conclusions without my opinions colouring a book first.
It was great to read your polite and well thought out comment. I especially appreciate these comments. 😀❤️
so using your logic, something must have been there to create God. Who created God?
Truth seeker! Yes.
Good for you! 😀
When you read God’s word (the Bible) Jesus says that HE is the way, the TRUTH (emphasis mine) and life and NO ONE comes to the Father (in Heaven) but by Him. I didn’t get that belief by osmosis but by the fact that He changed me and saved me by HIS shedding of blood on the cross so that I wouldn’t have to! The TRUTH is………. There is a Heaven and there is a hell. We go to either one or the other when this life is over. And this life is getting shorter and shorter-it won’t last forever. Where do you want your forever to be? It’s THE most important question to ask yourself today because today is the day of salvation. You may not live to see the end of this day and then what? Please don’t hesitate to ask Jesus to be your Lord and Savior!
I have enjoyed reading all my life and continue to do so in my retirement. When I came across your channel recently, I thought it’s such a shame that students aren’t fed like you feed your viewers. I have read and heard it said that the Bible is the book of books and so it makes me wonder whether you have read it. Unlike what most people do when they start reading the Bible, I suggest you don’t start with Genesis but rather one of the biographies of Jesus. I would recommend Luke who has been acknowledged by secular authorities as being a first class historical work. The book of Acts follows on naturally after that and describes what happened with Jesus’ followers after his death. It’s important to note that in Jesus’ day there was no one who refuted what Jesus said or did for he spoke with authority and it was the truth. The miracles or signs, as he called them, simply pointed to the truth of what he was saying. It’s not a long read and I believe that with these two books under your belt you’ll certainly get a good understanding of TRUTH.
I’ve love to hear from you when you’ve done that!
Greetings from Hobart 😁😉
I have read the Bible numerous times. And I agree with the statement that it is the book of books. There are a great deal of inaccurate and false statements made about it by both irreligious and religious people.
It is perhaps the best example for highlighting Butlers' point. I have heard and watched so many try to rubbish the Bible with not even the most basic knowledge of what it says. That is damning evidence that these ones are not interested in finding truth but rather in coddling their own views. This includes some of the most popular debaters on the subject who frequently make the preposterous claim that faith is believing in something without evidence.
On the other hand, there are many who accept the bible, espousing things about it that are also untrue or not following its tenets. This, too, betrays a genuine search for truth. If one really thought it was true, wouldn't one follow it carefully?
The truth seeker will not judge based upon what other people say and do, but will carefully examine these things themselves to see whether they are so. A more noble attitude I cannot imagine. 😀❤️. I'd be happy to discuss it further.
That is absolutely right, Tristan, and it is such a pity that down through the centuries the truth has been so misrepresented. That is why, if you do have the time to read the gospel of Luke, I would love to know whether your opinion and views about what it means to be a follower of Christ means. Thanks, Tristan. 💛
Didnt you hear? There is no such thing as Truth. We are living in a post modern world.
😂😂😂 Yes and look how that's working out!😀 Someone told me there was no such thing as truth quite seriously, once. I asked if they thought that statement was true. 😅👍
@@tristanandtheclassics6538 Well played! That nonsense drives me insane.
There is, just rarely in absolutes.