kuki can heal but raiden can't heal meanwhile Raiden skill provide really high uptime with no need to stay close to the enemy but you have to atk in order to activate her skill who would you like to use in your team comment down below !! discord for build related queries:- discord.gg/8sSHBUWZXF
I initially use Raiden because my Shinobu wasn't built properly at the time (lv 70, low talent lv, etc) and Raiden is better in most aspects (higher uptime, boost xq/yelan burst dmg, access to higher em 4-star weapon, faster hit) and most situations (as long as her E trigger can hit seeds on the ground) but nevertheless it feels wasted to use her just like that. pulled her C2 on latest rerun and shifted to hypercarry from that point, so I finally get Shinobu to lv90 and use her for the team.
As someone who uses Raiden for hyperbloom, the main disadvantage is that the electro doesn't activate on shield. It can be a pain sometimes. Kuki can be better for that situation but I have yet to level her up.
I try both. Raiden skill can't active against shield is bad of cours and kuki don't have this disadvantage and she can heal you, but when I try it I feal like raiden is better I don't know why. 😅 Note: Against shields I activate raiden burst. Also, even without crit state her burst still do a good dmg that's because I have c3👍
Raiden is better because u don’t have to get close to the enemy Ok I only said that cause my raiden is lv 90 and I don’t wanna waste books for my kuki :/
also remember that raiden E doesnt trigger on shield meaning that you wont be able to trigger the cores on an enemy with hydro shield. nahida or al haitham in this abyss with a kuki just insta deleted those hydro shields.
@@lafeechloe6998 So, if the enemy has a shield and i atack another enemy, it will deal dmg to the shielded enemy right? But if you atack the shield then it wont proc?
Another thing worth pointing out is that Raiden's coordinated attacks, like Nahida, are infinite range. Especially when you're using Yelan and/or XQ, you're mostly only triggering hyperbloom on a single target. With Raiden, Nahida's E chaining to other enemies will proc spread every hit, dealing 40-50k damage
Both... I actually tried using Kuki and Raiden in a hyperbloom team as a joke and it's surprisingly faster than having single electro. Because you can trigger two seeds immediately after the other.
If you build full em on both too. For me personally build kuki full em and dps raiden as driver on hyperbloom teams. But downside is seed if get hit by raiden e the damage on big as damage from kuki e
I prefer kuki as she heals which means you can relax and play more smooth rotation. And at C0 her E uptime is almost 100% but with C2 it gets 3 more seconds which is fairly easy to get.
At c0 her e has 12sec uptime and 3 sec downtime since cd is 15 sec. It becomes 100% uptime after you factor in the 3 additional sec from c2. Why are you spreading misinformation?
@@Rohan_Yadav7 i forgot to add almost* now it's corrected. But still she's 100% working at C0 as i got my kuki to C2 on this 3.6 nahida banner. And my nahida is C2 now. I cleared all the past abyss using just C0 kuki and i never had any downtime issues.
@@snowbeast074 theres no diminishing return for bonus stats and skill kits like kuki. Diminishing return only occurs on chars who need to balance 2 or more stats at the same time like atk and cdmg, while kuki strength in a party scales on em only so its safe to say that super high em for her wont give penalties or consequences
Thats rather negligible especially because of how conditional it is, you are likely to clear a chamber before that happens (also a rather recent character so c6 is unlikely for a lot). While Kuki consolidates a healer spot hyperbloom teams are so flexible that you could also just slot in someone else or not need it at all (being able to quickswap) Raiden also has the advantage of being able to achieve higher base em more easily (dragons bane) and easier to play, higher uptime and faster skill hits. Em is also the only stat in the game with true diminishing returns so 150em might not be significant past a certain level of investment. I dont know the exact numbers but as an example going from 950 to 1000 will increase hyperbloom dmg by 5% but going from 1000 to 1050 will only increase it by 3% and so on. Stats like atk and crit will always increase dmg by x amount its just at very high investment 5% more atk won't do that much overrall
@@burjer8921 my guy diminishing return still exist, after 1k em, all extra em are greatly diminished in damage. I tested it and my Kuki went from doing 35k at 950 em to 42k at 1000 em, then only 45k at 1100 em
I think you should have also compared the damage every 2 rotations. Aside from the obvious rate of electro procs, raiden allows nahida hyperbloom to deal damage WHILE setting up your xingqiu Q E and Yelan E Q. Kuki has 15 seconds of E uptime that needs to be activated only when xingqiu and yelan bursts are active to maximize damage. With that 2nd rotation difference in mind, you can see why when your hyperbloom damage is enough for one rotation for one wave of eneemy, there is somewhat no difference in using raiden and kuki aside from heal benefits from kuki, range potential of raiden, or unconditional hitbox of kuki E.
I use kuki cuz she can heal + her passive allowing her to use em aswell for heals and plus you can just use raiden in a hypercarry team or national, and the thing with raiden you need to hit enemies in order to apply electro while kuki's e skill just constantly applies electro and allows the seeds to start homing in on enemies so yeah kuki is overall better
Raiden can be unreliable at times when the enemy has a weird hitbox. She's insanely strong against single-targets though, if they're mostly stationary. With Kuki, you can run around and proc stray seeds that would otherwise be wasted if you were using Raiden. Her healing can also be convenient if you need the survivability when you have Nahida on-field. Raiden's very long uptime on her skill is very useful though, since there's really no proper rotation to Hyperbloom, so you can stay on Nahida for a long time before ever needing to switch out, and Kuki doesn't have 100% uptime on her skill before C2 (you dont really need it though, 36 starred the Abyss a dozen or so times with just C1 Kuki before I got her C2 this patch). Overall, I recommend Kuki for most scenarios even if Raiden can proc the seeds faster and for longer. Your damage floor is already so high, so putting Raiden on the second half with a dps build will improve your time more than using her on Hyperbloom.
kuki is good for those who dont have raiden. the thing is, raiden e procs far away where enemy is, you dont have to facetank it to proc hyperbloom, yes you dont have healing in raiden kit but you still have a free slot where instead of double hydro you can pur a healer or a shielder, solo yelan\xinqui is enough imo. There is also situation, where your kuki is always at low hp due to her e and when you switch to her to press E sometimes she can die if enemy suddenly attacks you in those seconds while you are on kuki, yes, window is small but my kuki died in those 2-3 seconds many times, not many enemies can snipe like that, but when and where it matters the most (abyss) thats painful. So kukis healing isnt that important, when you have a good shielder. There is also an option to have two hyperbloom teams, why not, baizhu is coming so hey, why not both =)
Sorry to say this but kuki dying via switching literally sounds like a skill issue cause never have I ever died once when I switch to her and if I'm really in dire need for her to heal I use her burst and the I frames is long enough for her to heal to half and her em scaling is literally tied to her healing as well so even if her healing is hp scaling her passive makes it so em will scale your healing as well so a fully em built kuki is the same as a fully hp built kuki.
Almost any character in the game can slot into a three unit hyperbloom team so long as they aren't ruining the reaction. Hell, you could throw in cryo and even get a noticeable amount of freeze uptime while not interrupting your hyperblooms. The sore or Nahida, Xingqui/Yelan, Raiden/Kuki is such a high damage floor that you can really have fun with the fourth slot.
Kuki is actually much much better than Raiden for hyperbloom teams. 1. She can proc blooms on shielded enemies, Raiden can't. 2. She can proc blooms on flying enemies and those that often reposition themselves, Raiden can't. 3. She has better weapon options, 3 4* weapons one of which one is craftable and a 5* weapon that gives EM, HP and supports team with EM. 4. Kuki can heal, if you die with Kuki it's a skill issue on your side.
I run that same comp and honestly calling it hyperfridge is not really accurate. It's hard for Layla to keep multiple enemies frozen for a meaningful amount of time. You'd need to bring Ganyu or Rosaria probably. Kuki really loves Layla's shield though, to safely catch some of her own healing. It also allows her to be on field if you can time Ayato's and Nahida's ults for even more hyperbloom damage :)
In the Kuki Team You Normal Attacked once that the Xingqiu and Yelan Elemental Burst Attacked before Nahida, but on Raiden Team you Dont Normal Attacked once for the Xingqiu and Yelan Elemental Burst Attacks The Time for the First Burst Attack from Xingqiu & Yelan is on Kuki Team by 0.00 The Time for the First Burst Attack from Xingqiu & Yelan is on Raiden Team by 1.24
C2 Kuki and c0 Raiden are pretty much interchangeable as a hyperbloom trigger. Without the extra uptime of c2, Kuki can fall behind a bit. Who you use is really up to content, preference and whether or not you need the extra healing. Raiden can be guaranteed (provided you save up for a rerun) while getting Kuki is entirely RNG even when she is on rate up. As an example of how hard it can be to get a specific 4*, back in 1.4 I ended up with c2 Childe trying to get one copy of Rosaria. You could in theory (though the odds are tiny) get c6 Nahida and Nilou both before getting a single copy of Kuki off the current banner. I really wish they would expand the 4*s that show up in the starglitter shop. The important take away really should be that with both of them you can run two competent hyperbloom comps in abyss.
Raiden's ult is🥵🥵 i dont want to miss her ult and - " Enabikari suno vachi e naariiii" Voice line... Its so satisfying (idk thr meaning 😅) I am not using raiden for hyperbloom... Sometimes i use her as battery, some times hypercarry, sometimes in national... My god what a versatile unit.. I have c0 with r5 catch.
If you have both, build both. They are better at different situations. Raiden vs Wolflord / shielded enemies is pain. Kuki vs spread out enemies is pain. Raiden has a higher ceiling with the faster activation but Kuki can double dip her EM and act as a main healer especially with some HP% substats.
U guys know... that at c4 or 5 kuki gains a power where some electro knife hits on charged attack to opponents like yelan at any range...tho it's duration is after 5 seconds but still I think she will be better due to her healing ability as well
Basically they are the same but Shinobu can heal and trigger electro when enemy has a shield (example: Abyss haralds) and can also trigger hyperblooms that are more far away from enemies. Kuki Shinobu for the win here.
Well with Kuki you also need to be near the cores and she requires c2 for 100% uptime. For shields you can just use Raiden's burst and there aren't any issues. Personally, I don't see a reason to not just use both. Hyperbloom for both halves of abyss. Nahida is an absolute monster of a unit but hyperbloom is still very good with some of the other dendro options.
@@Nowaylarry Raiden also need to be closer to the enemy, even with Nahida. Also, Shinobu applies more electro than Raiden via burst so she's better against shields.
I have Raiden C2 and I was using her for hyperbloom, but I recently build Kuki because I was tired of switching between the hyperbloom and the hypercarry set, I can say that Kuki is so much more comfortable
So basically Kuki: ✓Heals ✓Works on shields X Needs to be close to the enemy X Doesn't have 100% uptime without C2 Raiden: ✓ High permanent uptime ✓ Triggers faster hyperbloom than kuki(0.9 vs 1.2) ✓Doesn't need to be close to the enemy X Doesn't work on shields X Needs to attack to activate skill I personally use kuki because she heals and raiden can be used in a better team, but raiden is more comfortable to play because of her skill uptime, and I don't have kuki C2 yet
Additional: Raiden buffs Yelan and Xq bursts. Overall raiden is better not by larger amt. But her kit is wasted on hyperbloom. Many people said she can't proc skill on shields but that's not a major problem. Nahida and two hydro units easily melt pyro and hydro shields anyway.
Both are good it depends on what you're lacking i guess or if your Raiden is highly needed for National or Speedrun Team which is hypercarry. Kuki allows onfield chara like Nahida to survive more cuz of her off field heal while triggering Hyperbloom. But what i found my self is you can actually have both kuki and Ei (best of both world) Nahida and XQ/Yelan all in one Team as it also help Whole team ER specially XQ or Yelan.
Kuki is a queen of hyperbloom. And I like to use raiden as a sup for al'haitham (and tighnari in past but yeah....). They both are great no need to fight lol
Personally i like Raiden better than kuki. Why? Because u don't need to stay close for hyperbloom pros, u get some free energy for the team and the duration is more than double (25sec). Yes kuki heals but in abyss there's some enemys that can one shot like phoenix+scorpion from last abyss. If i rlly need survivability my 4th will be a proper shield/heal unit like my layla or bennett that heals 7.5k per tick. U don't need double hydro for hyperbloom one good yelan or xq is plenty. To me on of the worst downsides on kuki is she'll constantly stay at 1 hp and can easily die on a quick swap. And for ppl commenting about raiden E not triggering bloom cores because of enemy shields just E on the cores lol it's less convinient but works also how many of these enemys do u actually face it's the minority. I used both units on a proper hyperbloom team in the overworld, in the abyss and i simply prefer raiden over kuki cuz she feels better to play and overall provides more.
And many ppl said kuki is overall better just because this abyss cycle has wenut. I mean yeah that true because the wenut hit box is to large and the raiden E AoE does not reach the seed on the wenut (targeting priority raiden E is on the tail while the seed is generating on the head), while kuki can reach the seed because her skill can reach on the wenut's head (doesn't require targeting priority like raiden), just because we have one issue on that character, doesn't make that character will be overall better than the other one. Im happy you mention about raiden skill last longer than kuki, that what we usually call cooldown sync. The more longer you play this game, the more longer you realize cooldown sync is important. I have play raiden and kuki in hyperbloom, and it kinda weird while using kuki because her skill has 15 sec cooldown, while her team (nahida, xq, yelan) have 20 sec cooldown which mean that it feel awkward on the middle/second rotation you have two possibility : your kuki skill won't last longer before xq and yelan burst is finished or you have to recast the kuki's skill but it will desync the duration. I assuming that we have c2 kuki, if we have c0 kuki it will make more feel awkward and weird because we have like 2 - 3 sec downtime which cannot proc the seed. (I'm sorry if there are parts that are difficult to understand, my English is so bad)
in a longer fight such as in Spiral Abyss where dps actually matters Ei is higher dps than Kuki from a hyperbloom standpoint. The reason comes down to 2 things, reaction ICD and delay between electro application for hitting seeds. Ei's elemental skill hits faster per activation compared to Kuki's skill, 0.9 seconds compared to 1.5 seconds. As for the argument that Kuki can bank up more dendro cores and still detonate all of them doesnt matter when the ICD will only allow 2 of those cores to actually do damage per target within a 0.5 second window. hitting 2 instances of hyperbloom damage every ~1 second is more dps than doing the same 2 hyperbloom hits every 1.5 seconds. That said Kuki heals but you can also toss in a kokomi as the 2nd hydro for Ei hyperbloom too and you still have ample hydro application to get 2+ cores per second. As said before Ei's skill wont activate on shields so it is kind of useless on that but if the shield is electro or hydro it wont matter because Nahida can rip those shields apart fast. As for me I did build my Kuki for hyperbloom instead of Ei and the reason for it is that I got a c2r1 Ei. She has a decent set on her and is great burst damage on her own so I would rather keep her with that build and still get my hyperbloom option with Kuki. Also even in abyss Kuki is MORE than capable of clearing a 36 star run. In the 3.4 patch abyss I did a 3 character challenge with Kuki-Nahida-Kokomi first half and Yae-Kazuha-yaoyao 2nd half and crushed that abyss with around a minute to spare each chamber but it also was a really easy abyss. 3.5 patch abyss was harder on hyperbloom as cryo shield first half and wenut 2nd half where you cannot react dendro off its anemo orbs. I still did it though but it was one of my tougher teams on wenut.
I use both so heres my 0.02 dollars: -raiden: easier to stack em on bc dragon's bane has higher em than, say, iron sting or the umbrella sword. Her e actually has a big range, not to mention has really long up time so you don't have to be close to enemies to proc it. But you have to use na anyways bc of xq's burst and to proc e and i use nahida to na and her range is kinda short so 😑. -kuki: I feel like her kit is made for hyperbloom bc it really benefit from stacking em (her healing is based on her hp and em). You have to be in close range and be more aware of where the seeds are. But what she lacks in range she makes up for with her healing ability. I think her cons makes her e's range and duration longer but I have her at c0 and she works pretty well. The best thing about her is that I can free Raiden and put her in the other team for abyss 😂. The damage should be the same if you have equal amt of em. Hyperbloom (or any bloom dmg) caps at 2 instances of dmg per 0.5 secs so even if Raiden can burst a lot of cores at once, it doesn't really matter 😂
The application distance difference between kuki (melee) and raiden (long range) does not matter when you go quickbloom with nahida, yelan, kuki and Alhaitham (melee), so go quickbloom my genshin fellows
I think both have their uses. Kuki has heals, but you need to be fairly close the dendro core to activate it. Raiden's skill has good range but like others said, it will not activate if the enemy has shields. I don't have Raiden, but I'll definitely pull for her on her rerun just because I could snipe enemies with Nahida. 😆
Raiden still needs to get close to the enemy to activate her skill, in this case normal attacks activates it There are times that her e won’t work to certain enemies
Kiki obviously is better because being a 4star she doesn't care about attack and can deal the same damage for transformative reactions. But she also gets something from building EM. You get her heal. Where raden doesn't give anything else from EM, and also loses huge damage if she was built properly
You can compare both teams dmg maybe, if you freeze at the right moment, or indicate what strengths does each character have, like most comments I've read. But, since I haven't seen any comment about it, I will say it: You can't compare time, unless you have 100% crit rate, specially on Xinqiu and Yelan whose attacks are far more than Raiden or Nahida's, I know this is a world boss and it dies easily so time doesn't matter at all, this is going to get interesting on bigger enemies and also be more accurate, even if you don't kill the boss with one team, you could just make, idk, 15 seconds of dmg or until first cd ends and you can't do hyperbloom (probably Xinqiu and Yelan ultimate first). Hope someday you could play a big hp boss. Good video.
DMG wise, Raiden E skill by default gives burst dmg buff to her team according to their energy cost (esp Xingqiu and Yelan burst). Kuki for heals/survivability (she don't have teamwide offensive buffs on her base kit or even constellations at least).
Kuki is better because you can go to the dendro cores to trigger it (before enemy does). And against scattered enemies, dendro cores are everywhere so you need to move around. While Raiden you have to pray it will hit dendro cores before its gone. The only advantage Raiden has is the access to Dragon's Bane which has higher EM than any sword, even Freedom Sworn. If you want to maximize damage instead of healing, go for her.
also increases the damage of ults up to 20% with his elemental, and is a much better battery than kuki so you can take XQ and / or yelan with more damage
Single target is best case scenario for Kuki also, Raiden's ability to hit entire rooms of enemies as soon as you spin applying Nahida skill to them when they spawn is amazing. I recently changed to using Nahida, Yelan, Raiden and Noelle as the attacker when i was having trouble with the rift hound a couple abysses ago. Replaces, Kukis healing, adds shield, procs yelans attacks, has massive aoe to proc raiden and nahida attacks on every enemy in a large area. Really cozy variant of this team, if not the absolute most dps for single target.
Keep in mind that both characters can be used in different scenarios, for example in this last abyss against the Wenut, it's better to use Kuki because Raiden could miss some of the blooms thanks to how it hits Wenut, and because Wenut doesn't really hit you, you don't have a problem with getting close to him, so yeah. It just depends, but in terms of uptime and effectiveness Raiden is better the majority of the time.
My opinion, Kuki is better but only by a bit. One thing i noticed while using Raiden as electro trigger (which was a thing a very long time ago too) is that you need to do dmg to the enemy for Raiden's E to proc (so in short, same mechanics as Beidou's Ult which is a coordinated atk when you deal damage.) THIS, MEANS, that on floor 12 of abyss (abyss from 3.5) RAIDEN IS QUITE BAD FOR DEALING WITH THE ABYSS HERALDS. Mainly coz, im skill issue coz i lose stamina very fast from dodging all the attacks and im not fast enough 💀. Butalso because Hyperbloom is still dendro, therefore if you trigger hyperbloom you can technically destroy their shields a bit faster. That's a "my experience" tho, and about uptime, although you need cons C2 Kuki already fixes that immediately. Sooo if you have c2+ Kuki, i suggest make her your Hyperbloom DPS instead of Raiden.
I like kuki better because sometimes raiden misses some blooms on the floor. My friends' raiden's did that, mean while with kuki, she will 100% trigger if you are close enough. And yes, raiden can proc hyperbloom at a distance, but realistic you are not that far away from the enemy on a hyperbloom team, since both yelan and xingqiu are melee characters anyway. Not only that, but kuki heals, and I wouldn't be happy using THE RAIDEN SHOUGUN to be just a hyperbloom bot.
Kuki is way better cause her ability waits for the seeds to appear then activates them all and she can heal meanwhile raiden interrupts the reactions and slow down the creation of seeds
no matter how many seeds that Shinobu skill triggers at once, an enemy will still only receive damage from 2 seeds max per 0.5s... so I don't get why do you think it makes her better. if anything, a faster proc is preferred which Raiden provides (0.9s vs 1.6s)
Problem solved, Not being able to heal when using raiden can now be overcome by using neuvillette+proto amber as a driver in the team without having to bring an additional healer, extra slots can be filled by shielder because Neuvillette needs CC resistance when he s on field
The best argument is that you can build EM Kuki and have your other spiral team with baalnational so you can actually use The full potential Of raiden instead lf Just The ES
Raiden’s advantages and disadvantages: 1. Easily target flying enemies/bosses and enemies far away 2.Skill buffs all party member’s bursts, making hyperbloom with Xingqiu and/or Yelan even more powerful 3. Skill lasts 25 sec 4. Constellations have no impact on how much dmg she does in hyperbloom 5. Dragon’s bane provides a very high amount of EM 6. Can’t heal, so Kokomi, Barbara, or Yao Yao have to do the healing Kuki’s advantages and disadvantages: 1. Skill lasts 15 sec with C2, making her healing & electro application have 100% uptime 2. Can heal very consistently, no Kokomi needed 3. C6 gives her extra EM for 15 sec if her hp is 25% or lower (once every 60 sec) 4. Is 4 star rarity making it easier to obtain a copy of her, although getting her C6 is just as hard as getting a copy of Raiden C0 5. Close range & cannot target flying enemies/bosses as easily as Raiden can 6. Skill does not buff all party members unless you have limited 5 star weapons like Nilou’s weapon or Kazuha’s weapon What do you think? Personally, I prefer to pair Raiden with Nahida in hyperbloom, and I use Kuki with Alhaithem in quicken/aggravate since melee characters need to get very close to the enemy
Raiden and kuki is good. If u have both of them u can choose to build EM kuki and ER shogun or HP kuki and EM shogun or u can make 2 HB team if u have nahida and alhaya.
All i can say that it depends on your play style, but for me kuki is the best when it comes to abyss because of the healing and EM build plus the stinger, as you can see right now that you did compare kuki to raiden, hahaha 4star that compete with a 5star, but Raiden on the other side is good of being a dps in abyss she can deal tons of dmg within C0 because of ER she is OP at C2 too, But when it comes to support build with nahida, i think kuki is good. Thats all in my perspective or opinion. Btw i am a raiden simp XD
there is no real diference bc hyperbloom is a lvl 90 EM damage, the thing is kuki dont care about shields and she is a 2x1 hyperbloom popup + healer, and i prefer go double dendro you gain more ME, double hydro is for hutao
El gran problema con kuki es que en en cada rotacion no se llega a curar completamente (Ya que nahida es la que queda en el campo haciendo las reacciones y curandose), entonces llega un momento que queda tan debil que puede llegar a morir. Sin embargo Raiden no necesita ser curada en cada rotacion y nahida puede recibir un poco de curacion de Xingqiu, ser reemplazado por kokomi o en su defecto Barbara.
raiden is the better choice (has a higher em 4* weapon, larger aoe on e, e hits more often, e has higher uptime, e is delocalised from the player character), but the opportunity cost of using her in hyperbloom is not worth it for some people
Lol none of those things matter. Kuki is actually much much better than Raiden for hyperbloom teams. 1. She can proc blooms on shielded enemies, Raiden can't. 2. She can proc blooms on flying enemies and those that often reposition themselves, Raiden can't. 3. She has weapon options, 3 4* weapons and one of them is craftable and a 5* weapon that gives EM, HP and supports team with EM. If you recently started you are not very likely to guarantee yourself a EM weapon Raiden. 4. Kuki can heal.
Kuki has healing, safer hyperbloom procs (Raiden could miss some). Raiden has more uptime, personal damage, but she buffs bursts with her skill and she doesn’t have range. Also, you could use her as a eventual battery
And you can somewhat get around those individual issues as well. Kuki's c2 and burst can shore up her application uptime (though you still need to swap to her more often) and Raiden's burst can allow you to still proc hyperbloom against shielded enemies. Honestly there are enough viable hyperbloom comp variations that you can easily run two hyperbloom teams if you have both of them and also Nahida.
I personally prefer kuki cuz she heals and her skill has basically full up time ( I have c2 I think that matters ) she was built for this kinda team comp anyways, whereas raiden is better off as a hypercarry. They both get the job done and considering kuki being a 4 star she's pretty worth it. ( unless you unfortunately get every other 4 star on the banner expect her 🥲 )
Imo: Kuki is more F2P friendly as most of her best options are 4* weapons. Her third best in slot is literally the easiest 4* Weapon to obtain. She’s also good with a variety of artifacts (she really just needs EM main stat while the substats can be whatever they want to be cause they don’t matter). unlike Raiden who’s basically Emblem with very specific and annoying to farm stats or nothing (ER, Electro DMG with good CR and CrD)
In hyperbloom teams you build Raiden full EM. They would use the same artifacts. Dragon's Bane or Kitane for weapon. Also, you can guarantee Raiden. There is never a guarantee for a specific 4* unless they are in the starglitter shop. That said, either of them works. Their individual differences in hyperbloom don't matter that much and the comp has a flex spot. You don't have to run double hydro (it is the best single target variant of the comp though).
@@akalisama5971 Larger aoe my ass she can't proc blooms on shielded enemies, she can't proc blooms on flying enemies and those that often reposition themselves. Kuki's skill being constant >>>>>>>>> raidens skill.
@@My_Master_Waves The things that you mentioned are the scenarios which Kuki is better than Raiden in hyperbloom but everything else, Raiden is just a better unit for hyperbloom
And Shield is not really a problem. Because you will delete them anyways. Nahida melts abyss herald shield. Same can be said to xq and yelan vs pyro shield
Eventho i really like raiden skills because of its long uptime, i refused to use her in bloom because my raiden is c2r1. I use her a lot for bloom before i pulled her cons lol
pros and cons for every characters based on my infos because i just got nahida kuki: pros -she can heal -she cane deal aoe dmg wich make you deal hyper bloom for more than one enemy especially if your applicator is an aoe hydro -her tiks or a little faster than raiden i guess -she's a 4 star so it's easy to get her you can get her a 4 star weapon from smith cons : - she skill duration is low - she can't hit from afar - she loses hp after using skill wish makes her in danger most of the time raiden : pros : - her skill duration is very high (27s) - her skill cooldown is lower than the duration wish makes the skill infinity like any other archon except venti - she can hit from afar - if you valanced the mastery with the attack you can deal a high damage alongside with the hyper bloom dmg - she has 2 mastery weapons from smith cons : - she's a 5 star not everyone can get her i don't know anything else actually we can saye her tiks are slower than kuki's that's it i hope this was useful for you 🙏❤️
Only problem is saying that it is easy to get a specific 4*. There is never a guarantee for them even when they are on rate up (unless they appear in the starglitter shop). You can guarantee Raiden by saving primos.
Raiden can't hit shielded enemies, skill can proc on something else but bloom cores (wolflord, wenut, etc.), Sometimes can't hit nearby bloom cores, only the enemy.
Kuki is actually much much better than Raiden for hyperbloom teams. 1. She can proc blooms on shielded enemies, Raiden can't. 2. She can proc blooms on flying enemies and those that often reposition themselves, Raiden can't. 3. She has better weapon options, 3 4* weapons one of which one is craftable and a 5* weapon that gives EM, HP and supports team with EM. 4. Kuki can heal.
I have to say, as a low ar player (ar 40) nahida + kuki is the best combo I’ve had. Highly recommend to anyone Most damage I’ve done with it is around 15k in one hit, but again keep in mind both aren’t built and I’m ar 40
That team comp overly favor Kuki because it doesn't have a healer and it requires the on field driver to attack in order to trigger Raiden Shogun's skill. Try Nahida + Kokomi + Kazuha + Raiden Shogun instead. This will always be the best Hyperbloom team because it is suitable for all situation. That includes mob fight, boss fight, and overworld exploration. Whereas Nahida/Yelan/Xingqui/Kuki is mainly single target and is meant for boss killing.
Raiden activates hyperbloom more frequently and buffs both XQ's and Yelan's ulties and doesn't require to be close to the enemy, has excellent uptime and a little bit more EM thanks to Dragons bane. But Kuki provide survivability via healing and is 4* not constellation dependent character and doesn't require hits to proc
Raiden is situational, she doesnt proc hyperbloom on enemies with hydroshields(her passive doesnt proc till the shield is broken). But kuki does, irregardless if they have a shield or not.
My Ultra lazy team: Raiden - E Nahida - E (sometimes I use burst also) Zhongli - E Ayato - Burst Kazuha/Sucrose replace Zhongli if I feel like it Walk and profit
To me at least the fact is that Kuki is mostly useless in any other scenario while Raiden have many other teams that can take advantage of her DPS role. Going for Kuki for hyperbloom is a no brainer.
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kuki can heal but raiden can't heal meanwhile Raiden skill provide really high uptime with no need to stay close to the enemy but you have to atk in order to activate her skill who would you like to use in your team comment down below !!
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Raiden also offers the atk bonus for burst characters (yelan in this case)
I think Green raiden with qxq and yelan is the best single target , and agains many enemy i use green raiden with extra spicy (benet c6) 👍
Raiden can also do DMG on downtime and regenerate Energy, allowing you to build less ER and focus more on CRIT (Yelan, XQ)
I initially use Raiden because my Shinobu wasn't built properly at the time (lv 70, low talent lv, etc) and Raiden is better in most aspects (higher uptime, boost xq/yelan burst dmg, access to higher em 4-star weapon, faster hit) and most situations (as long as her E trigger can hit seeds on the ground) but nevertheless it feels wasted to use her just like that. pulled her C2 on latest rerun and shifted to hypercarry from that point, so I finally get Shinobu to lv90 and use her for the team.
Raiden also has faster electro hits (0.9s) compared to Kuki (1.5s)
As someone who uses Raiden for hyperbloom, the main disadvantage is that the electro doesn't activate on shield. It can be a pain sometimes. Kuki can be better for that situation but I have yet to level her up.
I absolutely HATE how Raiden's E does not activate on shields so now I'm just pulling on a banner trying to get a 4-star.
same
I have raiden but never face this problem 🥲
I try both.
Raiden skill can't active against shield is bad of cours and kuki don't have this disadvantage and she can heal you, but when I try it I feal like raiden is better I don't know why. 😅
Note: Against shields I activate raiden burst. Also, even without crit state her burst still do a good dmg that's because I have c3👍
@@fazk1623 raiden feels better because her skill lasts longer
Raiden is better because u don’t have to get close to the enemy
Ok I only said that cause my raiden is lv 90 and I don’t wanna waste books for my kuki :/
kuki is better because heal and you dont have to get too close to a ennemy
Both is better because you don’t have to get close to the enemy
Razor is better because u don't have to get close to the enemy
@@ethanboxlive3093 raiden is better because she can be a second dps with her ult, especially if she's c2.. That would be a combo of2 strongest archon.
Dori is better because u don't have to get close to the enemy
Im gonna use kuki cuz my raiden is built for hyper carry 😅
Yeah and besides kuki heals too so why not? XD
well, they both can use the same set + kuki needs to get close to apply electro
@@DarkB4 Raiden also needs to get close to the enemy.
@@Felix048 No, she just use his E and nahida will always apply electro
@@DarkB4 In hyperbloom teams or Alhaitham teams, she may need to.
also remember that raiden E doesnt trigger on shield meaning that you wont be able to trigger the cores on an enemy with hydro shield. nahida or al haitham in this abyss with a kuki just insta deleted those hydro shields.
Her E triggers on shield tho.
Or am i wrong?
@@Tnscla it does not
@@lafeechloe6998 So, if the enemy has a shield and i atack another enemy, it will deal dmg to the shielded enemy right?
But if you atack the shield then it wont proc?
@@Tnscla exactly ! But it won’t proc at all against single shielded enemy ! As well as Favonius weapons btw
You don’t even need any reactions other than bloom to destroy hydro shields. You can easily use nahida alone to deplete it.
Another thing worth pointing out is that Raiden's coordinated attacks, like Nahida, are infinite range. Especially when you're using Yelan and/or XQ, you're mostly only triggering hyperbloom on a single target. With Raiden, Nahida's E chaining to other enemies will proc spread every hit, dealing 40-50k damage
You changed my mind, this is very convincing :)
Both...
I actually tried using Kuki and Raiden in a hyperbloom team as a joke and it's surprisingly faster than having single electro. Because you can trigger two seeds immediately after the other.
If you build full em on both too.
For me personally build kuki full em and dps raiden as driver on hyperbloom teams. But downside is seed if get hit by raiden e the damage on big as damage from kuki e
That's actually Bad because you create less seeds.
U kind of wasting 2 triggered hyperbloom char in 1 team or a dps or a 5* honestly
that not hyperbloom,but quickbloom,
@@relax2413 how is it you create less seeds with 2 electro btw?
I prefer kuki as she heals which means you can relax and play more smooth rotation. And at C0 her E uptime is almost 100% but with C2 it gets 3 more seconds which is fairly easy to get.
im always worried about her own hp though 😱
At c0 her e has 12sec uptime and 3 sec downtime since cd is 15 sec. It becomes 100% uptime after you factor in the 3 additional sec from c2. Why are you spreading misinformation?
@@Rohan_Yadav7 i forgot to add almost* now it's corrected. But still she's 100% working at C0 as i got my kuki to C2 on this 3.6 nahida banner. And my nahida is C2 now. I cleared all the past abyss using just C0 kuki and i never had any downtime issues.
@@vipersrt30 but lower hp means more healing so it's not that bad.
130pulls only got c1 kuki, somehow I got c3 xinyan in this banner 🗿
Just a reminder if you have c6 kuki she gains an extra 150 EM every now and then, making her pull forward against raiden in a hyperbloom situation
but if you already have 1k em on her, the extra are just gonna be diminishing return
@@snowbeast074 theres no diminishing return for bonus stats and skill kits like kuki. Diminishing return only occurs on chars who need to balance 2 or more stats at the same time like atk and cdmg, while kuki strength in a party scales on em only so its safe to say that super high em for her wont give penalties or consequences
Thats rather negligible especially because of how conditional it is, you are likely to clear a chamber before that happens (also a rather recent character so c6 is unlikely for a lot).
While Kuki consolidates a healer spot hyperbloom teams are so flexible that you could also just slot in someone else or not need it at all (being able to quickswap) Raiden also has the advantage of being able to achieve higher base em more easily (dragons bane) and easier to play, higher uptime and faster skill hits.
Em is also the only stat in the game with true diminishing returns so 150em might not be significant past a certain level of investment.
I dont know the exact numbers but as an example going from 950 to 1000 will increase hyperbloom dmg by 5% but going from 1000 to 1050 will only increase it by 3% and so on.
Stats like atk and crit will always increase dmg by x amount its just at very high investment 5% more atk won't do that much overrall
@@burjer8921 my guy diminishing return still exist, after 1k em, all extra em are greatly diminished in damage. I tested it and my Kuki went from doing 35k at 950 em to 42k at 1000 em, then only 45k at 1100 em
@@burjer8921 every stat except save a few has diminishing return
I think you should have also compared the damage every 2 rotations. Aside from the obvious rate of electro procs, raiden allows nahida hyperbloom to deal damage WHILE setting up your xingqiu Q E and Yelan E Q.
Kuki has 15 seconds of E uptime that needs to be activated only when xingqiu and yelan bursts are active to maximize damage.
With that 2nd rotation difference in mind, you can see why when your hyperbloom damage is enough for one rotation for one wave of eneemy, there is somewhat no difference in using raiden and kuki aside from heal benefits from kuki, range potential of raiden, or unconditional hitbox of kuki E.
I personally would prefer Kuki since her kit actually uses elemental mastery, while Raiden's uses energy recharge
I use kuki cuz she can heal + her passive allowing her to use em aswell for heals and plus you can just use raiden in a hypercarry team or national, and the thing with raiden you need to hit enemies in order to apply electro while kuki's e skill just constantly applies electro and allows the seeds to start homing in on enemies so yeah kuki is overall better
Depends on enemy. If they have shields, Kuki. If they don't and you don't need healing at all and you need to stay far or move a lot, Raiden
Raiden can be unreliable at times when the enemy has a weird hitbox. She's insanely strong against single-targets though, if they're mostly stationary. With Kuki, you can run around and proc stray seeds that would otherwise be wasted if you were using Raiden. Her healing can also be convenient if you need the survivability when you have Nahida on-field.
Raiden's very long uptime on her skill is very useful though, since there's really no proper rotation to Hyperbloom, so you can stay on Nahida for a long time before ever needing to switch out, and Kuki doesn't have 100% uptime on her skill before C2 (you dont really need it though, 36 starred the Abyss a dozen or so times with just C1 Kuki before I got her C2 this patch).
Overall, I recommend Kuki for most scenarios even if Raiden can proc the seeds faster and for longer. Your damage floor is already so high, so putting Raiden on the second half with a dps build will improve your time more than using her on Hyperbloom.
I prefer kuki, cause raiden has more potential than just for triggering hyperbloom lol😅
kuki is good for those who dont have raiden. the thing is, raiden e procs far away where enemy is, you dont have to facetank it to proc hyperbloom, yes you dont have healing in raiden kit but you still have a free slot where instead of double hydro you can pur a healer or a shielder, solo yelan\xinqui is enough imo. There is also situation, where your kuki is always at low hp due to her e and when you switch to her to press E sometimes she can die if enemy suddenly attacks you in those seconds while you are on kuki, yes, window is small but my kuki died in those 2-3 seconds many times, not many enemies can snipe like that, but when and where it matters the most (abyss) thats painful. So kukis healing isnt that important, when you have a good shielder. There is also an option to have two hyperbloom teams, why not, baizhu is coming so hey, why not both =)
Sorry to say this but kuki dying via switching literally sounds like a skill issue cause never have I ever died once when I switch to her and if I'm really in dire need for her to heal I use her burst and the I frames is long enough for her to heal to half and her em scaling is literally tied to her healing as well so even if her healing is hp scaling her passive makes it so em will scale your healing as well so a fully em built kuki is the same as a fully hp built kuki.
Almost any character in the game can slot into a three unit hyperbloom team so long as they aren't ruining the reaction. Hell, you could throw in cryo and even get a noticeable amount of freeze uptime while not interrupting your hyperblooms. The sore or Nahida, Xingqui/Yelan, Raiden/Kuki is such a high damage floor that you can really have fun with the fourth slot.
Kuki is actually much much better than Raiden for hyperbloom teams.
1. She can proc blooms on shielded enemies, Raiden can't.
2. She can proc blooms on flying enemies and those that often reposition themselves, Raiden can't.
3. She has better weapon options, 3 4* weapons one of which one is craftable and a 5* weapon that gives EM, HP and supports team with EM.
4. Kuki can heal, if you die with Kuki it's a skill issue on your side.
Kuki for the heal. It just works better for me. Tried it with Kokomi but you gotta be close to the Jellyfish to get the heal and Hydro application
great comparison!
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I have Nahida, Ayato, Kuki, and Layla in the process of being build for a fridge team. Very excited to tackle the Abyss with this setup.
I run that same comp and honestly calling it hyperfridge is not really accurate. It's hard for Layla to keep multiple enemies frozen for a meaningful amount of time. You'd need to bring Ganyu or Rosaria probably. Kuki really loves Layla's shield though, to safely catch some of her own healing. It also allows her to be on field if you can time Ayato's and Nahida's ults for even more hyperbloom damage :)
In the Kuki Team You Normal Attacked once that the Xingqiu and Yelan Elemental Burst Attacked before Nahida, but on Raiden Team you Dont Normal Attacked once for the Xingqiu and Yelan Elemental Burst Attacks
The Time for the First Burst Attack from Xingqiu & Yelan is on Kuki Team by 0.00
The Time for the First Burst Attack from Xingqiu & Yelan is on Raiden Team by 1.24
C2 Kuki and c0 Raiden are pretty much interchangeable as a hyperbloom trigger. Without the extra uptime of c2, Kuki can fall behind a bit. Who you use is really up to content, preference and whether or not you need the extra healing. Raiden can be guaranteed (provided you save up for a rerun) while getting Kuki is entirely RNG even when she is on rate up. As an example of how hard it can be to get a specific 4*, back in 1.4 I ended up with c2 Childe trying to get one copy of Rosaria. You could in theory (though the odds are tiny) get c6 Nahida and Nilou both before getting a single copy of Kuki off the current banner. I really wish they would expand the 4*s that show up in the starglitter shop.
The important take away really should be that with both of them you can run two competent hyperbloom comps in abyss.
Raiden's ult is🥵🥵 i dont want to miss her ult and - " Enabikari suno vachi e naariiii" Voice line... Its so satisfying (idk thr meaning 😅)
I am not using raiden for hyperbloom... Sometimes i use her as battery, some times hypercarry, sometimes in national...
My god what a versatile unit..
I have c0 with r5 catch.
The fact that kuki heals also is the selling point
Kuki's healing is nice if you ever accidentally miss a couple dendro cores with her skill/ult and they explode in your face
If you have both, build both. They are better at different situations. Raiden vs Wolflord / shielded enemies is pain. Kuki vs spread out enemies is pain.
Raiden has a higher ceiling with the faster activation but Kuki can double dip her EM and act as a main healer especially with some HP% substats.
U guys know... that at c4 or 5 kuki gains a power where some electro knife hits on charged attack to opponents like yelan at any range...tho it's duration is after 5 seconds but still I think she will be better due to her healing ability as well
Basically they are the same but Shinobu can heal and trigger electro when enemy has a shield (example: Abyss haralds) and can also trigger hyperblooms that are more far away from enemies. Kuki Shinobu for the win here.
Well with Kuki you also need to be near the cores and she requires c2 for 100% uptime. For shields you can just use Raiden's burst and there aren't any issues. Personally, I don't see a reason to not just use both. Hyperbloom for both halves of abyss. Nahida is an absolute monster of a unit but hyperbloom is still very good with some of the other dendro options.
@@Nowaylarry Raiden also need to be closer to the enemy, even with Nahida. Also, Shinobu applies more electro than Raiden via burst so she's better against shields.
I have Raiden C2 and I was using her for hyperbloom, but I recently build Kuki because I was tired of switching between the hyperbloom and the hypercarry set, I can say that Kuki is so much more comfortable
Good choice since hyperbloom will restrict your Raiden's abilities tbh
So basically
Kuki:
✓Heals
✓Works on shields
X Needs to be close to the enemy
X Doesn't have 100% uptime without C2
Raiden:
✓ High permanent uptime
✓ Triggers faster hyperbloom than kuki(0.9 vs 1.2)
✓Doesn't need to be close to the enemy
X Doesn't work on shields
X Needs to attack to activate skill
I personally use kuki because she heals and raiden can be used in a better team, but raiden is more comfortable to play because of her skill uptime, and I don't have kuki C2 yet
hi , isnt kuki 1.5 sec trigger?
Raiden still need to be close to enemies in hyperbloom teams.
Additional: Raiden buffs Yelan and Xq bursts. Overall raiden is better not by larger amt. But her kit is wasted on hyperbloom. Many people said she can't proc skill on shields but that's not a major problem. Nahida and two hydro units easily melt pyro and hydro shields anyway.
Ahh i was waiting for this kind of comparison. I have Raiden but no Kuki
I already have c3 raiden but I got r1 engulfing and maybe next month I've used lvl 90 kuki or 4 star the em weapon
I have lvl 40 my kuki tomorrow it's next month we get lvl 90 kuki
why nahida sounds so cute in chinese 😭💟✨
Both are good it depends on what you're lacking i guess or if your Raiden is highly needed for National or Speedrun Team which is hypercarry. Kuki allows onfield chara like Nahida to survive more cuz of her off field heal while triggering Hyperbloom. But what i found my self is you can actually have both kuki and Ei (best of both world) Nahida and XQ/Yelan all in one Team as it also help Whole team ER specially XQ or Yelan.
Kuki is a queen of hyperbloom.
And I like to use raiden as a sup for al'haitham (and tighnari in past but yeah....).
They both are great no need to fight lol
I use those 3 with albedo
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Personally i like Raiden better than kuki. Why? Because u don't need to stay close for hyperbloom pros, u get some free energy for the team and the duration is more than double (25sec). Yes kuki heals but in abyss there's some enemys that can one shot like phoenix+scorpion from last abyss. If i rlly need survivability my 4th will be a proper shield/heal unit like my layla or bennett that heals 7.5k per tick. U don't need double hydro for hyperbloom one good yelan or xq is plenty. To me on of the worst downsides on kuki is she'll constantly stay at 1 hp and can easily die on a quick swap. And for ppl commenting about raiden E not triggering bloom cores because of enemy shields just E on the cores lol it's less convinient but works also how many of these enemys do u actually face it's the minority. I used both units on a proper hyperbloom team in the overworld, in the abyss and i simply prefer raiden over kuki cuz she feels better to play and overall provides more.
And many ppl said kuki is overall better just because this abyss cycle has wenut. I mean yeah that true because the wenut hit box is to large and the raiden E AoE does not reach the seed on the wenut (targeting priority raiden E is on the tail while the seed is generating on the head), while kuki can reach the seed because her skill can reach on the wenut's head (doesn't require targeting priority like raiden), just because we have one issue on that character, doesn't make that character will be overall better than the other one.
Im happy you mention about raiden skill last longer than kuki, that what we usually call cooldown sync. The more longer you play this game, the more longer you realize cooldown sync is important. I have play raiden and kuki in hyperbloom, and it kinda weird while using kuki because her skill has 15 sec cooldown, while her team (nahida, xq, yelan) have 20 sec cooldown which mean that it feel awkward on the middle/second rotation you have two possibility : your kuki skill won't last longer before xq and yelan burst is finished or you have to recast the kuki's skill but it will desync the duration. I assuming that we have c2 kuki, if we have c0 kuki it will make more feel awkward and weird because we have like 2 - 3 sec downtime which cannot proc the seed.
(I'm sorry if there are parts that are difficult to understand, my English is so bad)
thanks lol
in a longer fight such as in Spiral Abyss where dps actually matters Ei is higher dps than Kuki from a hyperbloom standpoint. The reason comes down to 2 things, reaction ICD and delay between electro application for hitting seeds. Ei's elemental skill hits faster per activation compared to Kuki's skill, 0.9 seconds compared to 1.5 seconds. As for the argument that Kuki can bank up more dendro cores and still detonate all of them doesnt matter when the ICD will only allow 2 of those cores to actually do damage per target within a 0.5 second window. hitting 2 instances of hyperbloom damage every ~1 second is more dps than doing the same 2 hyperbloom hits every 1.5 seconds.
That said Kuki heals but you can also toss in a kokomi as the 2nd hydro for Ei hyperbloom too and you still have ample hydro application to get 2+ cores per second. As said before Ei's skill wont activate on shields so it is kind of useless on that but if the shield is electro or hydro it wont matter because Nahida can rip those shields apart fast.
As for me I did build my Kuki for hyperbloom instead of Ei and the reason for it is that I got a c2r1 Ei. She has a decent set on her and is great burst damage on her own so I would rather keep her with that build and still get my hyperbloom option with Kuki. Also even in abyss Kuki is MORE than capable of clearing a 36 star run. In the 3.4 patch abyss I did a 3 character challenge with Kuki-Nahida-Kokomi first half and Yae-Kazuha-yaoyao 2nd half and crushed that abyss with around a minute to spare each chamber but it also was a really easy abyss. 3.5 patch abyss was harder on hyperbloom as cryo shield first half and wenut 2nd half where you cannot react dendro off its anemo orbs. I still did it though but it was one of my tougher teams on wenut.
I use both so heres my 0.02 dollars:
-raiden: easier to stack em on bc dragon's bane has higher em than, say, iron sting or the umbrella sword. Her e actually has a big range, not to mention has really long up time so you don't have to be close to enemies to proc it. But you have to use na anyways bc of xq's burst and to proc e and i use nahida to na and her range is kinda short so 😑.
-kuki: I feel like her kit is made for hyperbloom bc it really benefit from stacking em (her healing is based on her hp and em). You have to be in close range and be more aware of where the seeds are. But what she lacks in range she makes up for with her healing ability. I think her cons makes her e's range and duration longer but I have her at c0 and she works pretty well. The best thing about her is that I can free Raiden and put her in the other team for abyss 😂.
The damage should be the same if you have equal amt of em. Hyperbloom (or any bloom dmg) caps at 2 instances of dmg per 0.5 secs so even if Raiden can burst a lot of cores at once, it doesn't really matter 😂
The application distance difference between kuki (melee) and raiden (long range) does not matter when you go quickbloom with nahida, yelan, kuki and Alhaitham (melee), so go quickbloom my genshin fellows
Tbh Raiden as a E bot hurts me a lot XO And my Kuki was full EM before 3.x so she keeps her job and do it fine =D
I think both have their uses. Kuki has heals, but you need to be fairly close the dendro core to activate it. Raiden's skill has good range but like others said, it will not activate if the enemy has shields. I don't have Raiden, but I'll definitely pull for her on her rerun just because I could snipe enemies with Nahida. 😆
Another problem with Raiden is that even when she could hit far away, you still need to get closer to the enemy (the case with Alhaitham).
Raiden still needs to get close to the enemy to activate her skill, in this case normal attacks activates it
There are times that her e won’t work to certain enemies
Kiki obviously is better because being a 4star she doesn't care about attack and can deal the same damage for transformative reactions. But she also gets something from building EM. You get her heal. Where raden doesn't give anything else from EM, and also loses huge damage if she was built properly
Even without EM she still can gives you battery and elemental burst dmg bonus for your yelan and xq
Both work amazingly you can use 2 teams if you want nahida-kuki ,tignari-raiden range hyperbloom
You can compare both teams dmg maybe, if you freeze at the right moment, or indicate what strengths does each character have, like most comments I've read.
But, since I haven't seen any comment about it, I will say it:
You can't compare time, unless you have 100% crit rate, specially on Xinqiu and Yelan whose attacks are far more than Raiden or Nahida's, I know this is a world boss and it dies easily so time doesn't matter at all, this is going to get interesting on bigger enemies and also be more accurate, even if you don't kill the boss with one team, you could just make, idk, 15 seconds of dmg or until first cd ends and you can't do hyperbloom (probably Xinqiu and Yelan ultimate first). Hope someday you could play a big hp boss.
Good video.
Just whoever you want
DMG wise, Raiden E skill by default gives burst dmg buff to her team according to their energy cost (esp Xingqiu and Yelan burst).
Kuki for heals/survivability (she don't have teamwide offensive buffs on her base kit or even constellations at least).
Kuki is better because you can go to the dendro cores to trigger it (before enemy does). And against scattered enemies, dendro cores are everywhere so you need to move around. While Raiden you have to pray it will hit dendro cores before its gone. The only advantage Raiden has is the access to Dragon's Bane which has higher EM than any sword, even Freedom Sworn. If you want to maximize damage instead of healing, go for her.
also increases the damage of ults up to 20% with his elemental, and is a much better battery than kuki so you can take XQ and / or yelan with more damage
Single target is best case scenario for Kuki also, Raiden's ability to hit entire rooms of enemies as soon as you spin applying Nahida skill to them when they spawn is amazing. I recently changed to using Nahida, Yelan, Raiden and Noelle as the attacker when i was having trouble with the rift hound a couple abysses ago. Replaces, Kukis healing, adds shield, procs yelans attacks, has massive aoe to proc raiden and nahida attacks on every enemy in a large area. Really cozy variant of this team, if not the absolute most dps for single target.
Keep in mind that both characters can be used in different scenarios, for example in this last abyss against the Wenut, it's better to use Kuki because Raiden could miss some of the blooms thanks to how it hits Wenut, and because Wenut doesn't really hit you, you don't have a problem with getting close to him, so yeah. It just depends, but in terms of uptime and effectiveness Raiden is better the majority of the time.
Kuki Shinobu heals give much more options to make the team, you dont need even dodge
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My opinion, Kuki is better but only by a bit. One thing i noticed while using Raiden as electro trigger (which was a thing a very long time ago too) is that you need to do dmg to the enemy for Raiden's E to proc (so in short, same mechanics as Beidou's Ult which is a coordinated atk when you deal damage.)
THIS, MEANS, that on floor 12 of abyss (abyss from 3.5) RAIDEN IS QUITE BAD FOR DEALING WITH THE ABYSS HERALDS. Mainly coz, im skill issue coz i lose stamina very fast from dodging all the attacks and im not fast enough 💀. Butalso because Hyperbloom is still dendro, therefore if you trigger hyperbloom you can technically destroy their shields a bit faster.
That's a "my experience" tho, and about uptime, although you need cons C2 Kuki already fixes that immediately. Sooo if you have c2+ Kuki, i suggest make her your Hyperbloom DPS instead of Raiden.
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I like kuki better because sometimes raiden misses some blooms on the floor. My friends' raiden's did that, mean while with kuki, she will 100% trigger if you are close enough. And yes, raiden can proc hyperbloom at a distance, but realistic you are not that far away from the enemy on a hyperbloom team, since both yelan and xingqiu are melee characters anyway. Not only that, but kuki heals, and I wouldn't be happy using THE RAIDEN SHOUGUN to be just a hyperbloom bot.
Xingqiu and Yelan are melee? Are you out of your mind? They are ranged characters
Kuki is way better cause her ability waits for the seeds to appear then activates them all and she can heal meanwhile raiden interrupts the reactions and slow down the creation of seeds
Plus raiden is like a second DPS = less hyperbloom
no matter how many seeds that Shinobu skill triggers at once, an enemy will still only receive damage from 2 seeds max per 0.5s... so I don't get why do you think it makes her better. if anything, a faster proc is preferred which Raiden provides (0.9s vs 1.6s)
Overall raiden is better. Not by that much in certain teams but overall shes still generally the better hyperbloom unit
Problem solved, Not being able to heal when using raiden can now be overcome by using neuvillette+proto amber as a driver in the team without having to bring an additional healer, extra slots can be filled by shielder because Neuvillette needs CC resistance when he s on field
The best argument is that you can build EM Kuki and have your other spiral team with baalnational so you can actually use The full potential Of raiden instead lf Just The ES
Raiden’s advantages and disadvantages:
1. Easily target flying enemies/bosses and enemies far away
2.Skill buffs all party member’s bursts, making hyperbloom with Xingqiu and/or Yelan even more powerful
3. Skill lasts 25 sec
4. Constellations have no impact on how much dmg she does in hyperbloom
5. Dragon’s bane provides a very high amount of EM
6. Can’t heal, so Kokomi, Barbara, or Yao Yao have to do the healing
Kuki’s advantages and disadvantages:
1. Skill lasts 15 sec with C2, making her healing & electro application have 100% uptime
2. Can heal very consistently, no Kokomi needed
3. C6 gives her extra EM for 15 sec if her hp is 25% or lower (once every 60 sec)
4. Is 4 star rarity making it easier to obtain a copy of her, although getting her C6 is just as hard as getting a copy of Raiden C0
5. Close range & cannot target flying enemies/bosses as easily as Raiden can
6. Skill does not buff all party members unless you have limited 5 star weapons like Nilou’s weapon or Kazuha’s weapon
What do you think? Personally, I prefer to pair Raiden with Nahida in hyperbloom, and I use Kuki with Alhaithem in quicken/aggravate since melee characters need to get very close to the enemy
Raiden and kuki is good. If u have both of them u can choose to build EM kuki and ER shogun or HP kuki and EM shogun or u can make 2 HB team if u have nahida and alhaya.
Both have different preferable cases, like Raiden has range and Kuki has none
Raiden needs to do damage, Kuki is constant
It would be nice if you can show the characters build and the artifacts set they use.
All i can say that it depends on your play style, but for me kuki is the best when it comes to abyss because of the healing and EM build plus the stinger, as you can see right now that you did compare kuki to raiden, hahaha 4star that compete with a 5star, but Raiden on the other side is good of being a dps in abyss she can deal tons of dmg within C0 because of ER she is OP at C2 too, But when it comes to support build with nahida, i think kuki is good. Thats all in my perspective or opinion. Btw i am a raiden simp XD
I only have C0 Kuki and the E uptime is annoying sometimes but soon I will get both Nahida and C2 Kuki on the this next banner for Alhaitham
there is no real diference bc hyperbloom is a lvl 90 EM damage, the thing is kuki dont care about shields and she is a 2x1 hyperbloom popup + healer, and i prefer go double dendro you gain more ME, double hydro is for hutao
I would recommend using em pieces for kuki and running another raiden team in the other half of the abyss
El gran problema con kuki es que en en cada rotacion no se llega a curar completamente (Ya que nahida es la que queda en el campo haciendo las reacciones y curandose), entonces llega un momento que queda tan debil que puede llegar a morir.
Sin embargo Raiden no necesita ser curada en cada rotacion y nahida puede recibir un poco de curacion de Xingqiu, ser reemplazado por kokomi o en su defecto Barbara.
I like kuki more because of the healing
Uso a raiden actualmente pero pienso usar a kuki cuando necesite healer
Can we all just appreciate how broken yelan is and how she fits into any team whether she is a dps or support in the team
raiden is the better choice (has a higher em 4* weapon, larger aoe on e, e hits more often, e has higher uptime, e is delocalised from the player character), but the opportunity cost of using her in hyperbloom is not worth it for some people
Lol none of those things matter.
Kuki is actually much much better than Raiden for hyperbloom teams.
1. She can proc blooms on shielded enemies, Raiden can't.
2. She can proc blooms on flying enemies and those that often reposition themselves, Raiden can't.
3. She has weapon options, 3 4* weapons and one of them is craftable and a 5* weapon that gives EM, HP and supports team with EM. If you recently started you are not very likely to guarantee yourself a EM weapon Raiden.
4. Kuki can heal.
I think it would be better to use raiden's elemental at the beginning of the rotation, before yelan and chingchiu's
Situational..
Since raidens E doesn't work when it's an Abyss Hector
Kuki has healing, safer hyperbloom procs (Raiden could miss some). Raiden has more uptime, personal damage, but she buffs bursts with her skill and she doesn’t have range. Also, you could use her as a eventual battery
Honestly if I fully levelled kuki to 90 I’d end up using her personally, but since I haven’t I stick w RAIDEN since she can output more in the end
If there was a character inbetween the two respectively, perhaps a electro diona/baizhu, then were popping.
Kuki Advantage : heal, works on shield
Raiden advantage : uptime, large aoe
So both are interchangeable based on team and enemy
And you can somewhat get around those individual issues as well. Kuki's c2 and burst can shore up her application uptime (though you still need to swap to her more often) and Raiden's burst can allow you to still proc hyperbloom against shielded enemies. Honestly there are enough viable hyperbloom comp variations that you can easily run two hyperbloom teams if you have both of them and also Nahida.
I personally prefer kuki cuz she heals and her skill has basically full up time ( I have c2 I think that matters ) she was built for this kinda team comp anyways, whereas raiden is better off as a hypercarry. They both get the job done and considering kuki being a 4 star she's pretty worth it. ( unless you unfortunately get every other 4 star on the banner expect her 🥲 )
yep thats me i get the 4 stars that are not her on the banners shes on atleast i got raiden though
Imo: Kuki is more F2P friendly as most of her best options are 4* weapons. Her third best in slot is literally the easiest 4* Weapon to obtain. She’s also good with a variety of artifacts (she really just needs EM main stat while the substats can be whatever they want to be cause they don’t matter). unlike Raiden who’s basically Emblem with very specific and annoying to farm stats or nothing (ER, Electro DMG with good CR and CrD)
In hyperbloom teams you build Raiden full EM. They would use the same artifacts. Dragon's Bane or Kitane for weapon. Also, you can guarantee Raiden. There is never a guarantee for a specific 4* unless they are in the starglitter shop. That said, either of them works. Their individual differences in hyperbloom don't matter that much and the comp has a flex spot. You don't have to run double hydro (it is the best single target variant of the comp though).
@@Nowaylarry You can never guarantee a 4* yes, but 5* won't always be available.
@@Felix048 Same with 4 stars
why not fischl?
Use Raiden if you want to hold her power back in a hyperbloom team
Id go for kuki since her skill has a larger aoe and she can heal
Raiden has larger AOE from skill btw
@@akalisama5971 Larger aoe my ass she can't proc blooms on shielded enemies, she can't proc blooms on flying enemies and those that often reposition themselves. Kuki's skill being constant >>>>>>>>> raidens skill.
@@My_Master_Waves The things that you mentioned are the scenarios which Kuki is better than Raiden in hyperbloom but everything else, Raiden is just a better unit for hyperbloom
And Shield is not really a problem. Because you will delete them anyways. Nahida melts abyss herald shield. Same can be said to xq and yelan vs pyro shield
@@akalisama5971 LMAO name those scenarios
Eventho i really like raiden skills because of its long uptime, i refused to use her in bloom because my raiden is c2r1. I use her a lot for bloom before i pulled her cons lol
I need to see their build. How much em do Your Kuki and Raiden have?
this team will be completed if furina is included. furina heal, support nahida, raiden dps, maybe zhongli for shielder crowd control. op archon team.
shogun is used on hyperbloom teams because his e increases the damage of ults
pros and cons for every characters based on my infos because i just got nahida
kuki:
pros
-she can heal
-she cane deal aoe dmg wich make you deal hyper bloom for more than one enemy especially if your applicator is an aoe hydro
-her tiks or a little faster than raiden i guess
-she's a 4 star so it's easy to get her
you can get her a 4 star weapon from smith
cons :
- she skill duration is low
- she can't hit from afar
- she loses hp after using skill wish makes her in danger most of the time
raiden :
pros :
- her skill duration is very high (27s)
- her skill cooldown is lower than the duration wish makes the skill infinity like any other archon except venti
- she can hit from afar
- if you valanced the mastery with the attack you can deal a high damage alongside with the hyper bloom dmg
- she has 2 mastery weapons from smith
cons :
- she's a 5 star not everyone can get her
i don't know anything else actually we can saye her tiks are slower than kuki's that's it
i hope this was useful for you 🙏❤️
Only problem is saying that it is easy to get a specific 4*. There is never a guarantee for them even when they are on rate up (unless they appear in the starglitter shop). You can guarantee Raiden by saving primos.
Raiden can't hit shielded enemies, skill can proc on something else but bloom cores (wolflord, wenut, etc.), Sometimes can't hit nearby bloom cores, only the enemy.
@@Felix048 you don't have to hit the core you have to hit the enemy hitting the core is for burgeon not hyper bloom i think
@@nova-4x Bloom team with electro is a hyperbloom team. There's no need for another Pyro character for burgeon.
@@Felix048 i know i mean for hyperbloom you have to hit the enemy with electro and for burgeon you have to hit the core i guess
Kuki is actually much much better than Raiden for hyperbloom teams.
1. She can proc blooms on shielded enemies, Raiden can't.
2. She can proc blooms on flying enemies and those that often reposition themselves, Raiden can't.
3. She has better weapon options, 3 4* weapons one of which one is craftable and a 5* weapon that gives EM, HP and supports team with EM.
4. Kuki can heal.
Kuki is low cost character u just need to max her Elem. And put EM or HP then you're good to go.
An advantage people don't about with Raiden is that her skill has higher range than Kuki's, you don't have to stick that close to enemies
I have to say, as a low ar player (ar 40) nahida + kuki is the best combo I’ve had. Highly recommend to anyone
Most damage I’ve done with it is around 15k in one hit, but again keep in mind both aren’t built and I’m ar 40
Add a little water and you'll get even more.
But actually at 40AR you can play as you want it will work anyway. Just have fun.
@@eg-draw normally I play in co op, mostly people use hydro characters so I know that:)
@@eg-draw Yeah fun is what matters in the game
That team comp overly favor Kuki because it doesn't have a healer and it requires the on field driver to attack in order to trigger Raiden Shogun's skill. Try Nahida + Kokomi + Kazuha + Raiden Shogun instead. This will always be the best Hyperbloom team because it is suitable for all situation. That includes mob fight, boss fight, and overworld exploration. Whereas Nahida/Yelan/Xingqui/Kuki is mainly single target and is meant for boss killing.
Raiden activates hyperbloom more frequently and buffs both XQ's and Yelan's ulties and doesn't require to be close to the enemy, has excellent uptime and a little bit more EM thanks to Dragons bane. But Kuki provide survivability via healing and is 4* not constellation dependent character and doesn't require hits to proc
She still requires to get close to enemy, even with Nahida because you wouldn't use Xingqiu or Yelan far away from enemy.
@@Felix048 Xq's and Yelan's bursts still considered ranged attacks
@@mikrikbe Which requires closer range to the enemy as they might target the ground.
@@mikrikbe Especially when one plays Alhaitham then close range is really needed.
“let’s all be 5 stars and not tell Xingqiu”
raiden's rotation is different, you have to use his elemental at the start. With that there will be a clearer difference.
The same logic can be applied to Kuki tho so there’s no difference
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"His", wow Raiden Futa 😱
Kuki’s role consolidation is so strong it’s actually unfair. Healer, HB trigger, ER buffer with Xiphos?
Raiden is situational, she doesnt proc hyperbloom on enemies with hydroshields(her passive doesnt proc till the shield is broken). But kuki does, irregardless if they have a shield or not.
My Ultra lazy team:
Raiden - E
Nahida - E (sometimes I use burst also)
Zhongli - E
Ayato - Burst
Kazuha/Sucrose replace Zhongli if I feel like it
Walk and profit
To me at least the fact is that Kuki is mostly useless in any other scenario while Raiden have many other teams that can take advantage of her DPS role. Going for Kuki for hyperbloom is a no brainer.
Kuki for hyperbloom Nahida and EM Raiden for Tighnari spread team. That should be better for both team