At @10 minutes he talks about the contaminants in the flood waters. After Katrina I tried to salvage my hand tools that had been in the salt-poop-chemicals for a month. After washing them and soaking in fresh water I brushed the rust off and stacked them in the grass. I looked over and they were DRAWING BLOWFLIES!!!
Prayers for all the people affected by this disaster. Hope some can get a small piece of their lives back that they thought was gone forever with your help Mark.
Hi Partner, 50 Years ago I was in the Army assigned as maintenance to a telecommunications center. I once had a problem with one teletype, and I worked for three hours trying to troubleshoot the problem. I went back to the barracks to sleep on the problem. Sure, enough I dreamed what the problem was, I skipped the chow hall breakfast and headed right to the com-center and by GOD I dreamt where the problem was and how to repair it. So, if you ever catch me on a power nap, please don't pester me as I may be working on a problem. You teaching us about wood being like a tight bundle of straws gave me a new outlook on handling and working with wooden stocks.
As a retired wood butcher I can affirm what you said about the drying process. Since that wood has already been thoroughly dried once when they were turning part of a tree into a buttstock, the warping will be minimal, but the end grain must be sealed to prevent checking. That stock would look really strange with dutchmen holding it together. (Yeah, I know you use screws embedded in acraglas for that.) Thanks, Mark. I generally learn a couple new things with every video and learning is fun.
I recently stumbled upon a large estate where the gentleman was selling off his grandfathers firearm collection. Unfortunately, they’d been stored in a damp room with soaking wet carpet and a leaky roof. Some are too far gone, others look like they’ve been dug out of a creek, and some had minimal rust. I’ve been slowly going through them all, a lot of military surplus rifles, shotguns, and lever actions. Still have more to purchase, say I’ve already brought home 30 or so
@ I’ve purchased around 30 of them. I’m a big milsurp collector, each rifle is getting either a full restoration or turned back into fully functional/shooters. I’ve already saved a couple that were way too far gone
I dont know if you offer a DVD series or collection of your videos. But these are gold. Thank you for the consistently information rich content you put out. Your decades of experience shine in all you do. ❤
Floods are terrible things. Thanks for helping save those firearms. I had to pause when you said "the ATF seems to make this run a lot better"... Oh Automatic Transmission Fluid...
This is a lot like recovering artifacts from ship wrecks. It's already been as wet as it gets and taking it out of that environment without great care will basically leave you with with nothing to show.
I haven't redried wood, but I've dried green blocks of wood. I'd suggest when you put the stock in the garbage bag, I'd throw enough coarse wood shavings in with the stock. Shavings from a hand plane seem to be best, the most fluffy. Don't use sawdust, it packs too much.The chips initially pull water out from the stock, but then everything slows down with the chips now moist they moderate the speed of the drying. I think they help the stock from going off too fast, and the plastic bag isn't directly touching the wood.
I forget if you covered it in another video, but is it ok to boil springs? It is it best to just take the gun down as far as possible and clean the springs separately by other means. Thanks!
I most likely will never do this. Seeing the techniques involved is still very interesting. It could be useful for something else made of wood. You never know the future needs you might have.
Shame to see an old Winchester in that condition, and a somber reminder to the attrition that happens to these old guns, every decade there’s less and less in good fireable condition
One problem with properly dried wood is that if it becomes completely saturated it can actually shrink smaller than it was before think of a wood barrel built with dry wood and was filled for a time then drained an left in a dry place cracks open between staves and the rings slip!!! This could be very bad on a gun around the tang
After watching your conservation method, then seeing videos of other "gunsmiths" totally destroy a firearm with sandpaper and aggressive wire wheels, I have to wonder how they get likes and follows on their sites.
Because guns are cool, but most lay people don't understand how they mechanically work, or understand the difference between conservation and a massacre
How do you prevent the inside of the bag from getting moldy and then covering your stock in mold and mildew? And if it does end up covered in it, what do you do then?
Would hosing it out with oil have slowed the rust for the duration till you could deal with it, or would it have created worse problems with wood end grain ect than it solved?
Ballistol is just 99.99% mineral oil, with a drop of black licorice ketones per bottle. Save yourself some money and just buy USP mineral oil by the gallon for 1/20th the price.
I am sure it will come out fine, even after a possible septic tank crap soaking. But an industrial strength detergent might be in order for the digits.
to remove excess moisture slowly I use Ridx, a bag with moisture absorbing material and when it condenses it falls in the bottom of it. Also I've used the packets of moisture packets that come in boxes from the factory. Even if the packets are old, microwave for a few minutes to bring them back to life. They are great for in gun safes to absorb moisture.
would you not have any issues along the sections of stock where the grain is exposed from the act of carving a stock? or is the area around a single growth ring secure enough to be manageable
Mark, when you convert are you using regular tap water or distilled water? Does it matter for conversion/cleanup? I’ve heard to use distilled water for the rust blue process but I don’t know how critical that component is when performing a simple cleanup/ conversion.
When we were doing semi 1919’s, the moment they came out of the park solution they went into a hot water rinse bath and from there straight into a tank of ATF (Dextron II) and let it cool down overnight but better for 24 hours. Then we wiped down the parts and used a light oil on the parked items. Now a little hint I was told ages ago by a Israeli machine gunner was that the cloth belts worked better when soaked in ATF and then were allowed to drip dry a bit. I wonder if it’s true. Have a pair of new ones from IMA back in the day but also have a bunch of links as well. Next project, a linker press. Have the belt loader but not the .308 needle adapters parts. Any one have any machinists plans for these items?
If you have access to a humidity controlled space, could you put the stock in there and slowly reduce the humidity? Start at 99% and drop it 1 % per day or something of that nature?
@marknovak8255 model is that ? I'm just curious because several years ago I had a chance to get one , at a distance, similar in appearance to a 1897 lady changed her mind and turned it in "for public safety reasons"
@@marknovak8255 fun fact: if you have lifter rattle in a V8, a qt of ATF in the oil and a 50-mile drive before you change said oil will usually clear that rattle up.
I have found the usaly best tool for unscrewing old butt stocks on older shotguns to be one the old car tools like use to use with bumper jacks the flate end that was ment to pry off hub caps usaly fits perfectly the srew slot
No, the issue is you need the water to come out slow and steady, as the wood fibers have swelled and distorted shape with the water and if they dry too fast, the fibers break under the stress of transition. Dry the wood slowly, the fibers can ease back into their correct shape with fewer stress fractures. Electronics are made of plastics and other materials that tend not to absorb water, so your only real concern is getting rid of the water that is interfering with the flow of electrons. Long and short, rice is TOO good at drying, so it would not be advised to use it in this situation.
@Chris_Garman and then there are people who end up in hospital with E coli and dysentery from handling stuff contaminated with human and animal.shite and other fun stuff.
My dad’s been a plumber for over 60 years and deals with sewage all the time, use some Dawn and rinse, then rinse in bleach. He’s never had a infection or disease from it.
29 cents' worth of no-latex gloves beats the heck out of a hospital bill (or even, really, a tetanus shot bill) but who doesn't have little nicks and cuts and hangnails for the nasty critters to invade thru? I mean, work with your hands = wear on the hide....
Can someone help me understand the used oil part? I think I've watched just about every video including conversion 101, but I've never understood this so if it's covered elsewhere I missed it. My often wrong intuition tells me there is nothing beneficial in used motor oil, or at least not enough to offset all the dissimilar metals, acids, moisture, and so on. Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope.
You don’t want to use an oil that has any sort of detergent left in it. You can buy air compressor oil or something similar that is detergent free, but used motor oil will have all of the detergent burned out of it and free used motor oil is a lot cheaper than not free detergent-less oil.
It's cheap, doesn't have much detergent left in it, it's cheap, easy to get, cheap works great at soaking large areas for the first time, and it's cheap and everywhere.
It's an old bodyman's trick to pour used engine oil into the doors, quarter panels and fender jambs of freshly painted cars to halt/prevent rust in hard-to-reach areas. Man, must've been 40 years since I heard that. Guess it works for guns too!
For anyone working on anything coming from Helene’s floods, wear a mask, that silt creates an incredibly fine dust that is likely toxic and will tear you up. It’s also incredibly sticky, I have had to wash my duty Glock in the ultrasonic cleaner multiple times to kill the grittiness from it.
I was thinking the same thing. The stock fixing screw had lots of corrosion. If I thought (overthought) it through, I believe I'd use a nylon 12 gauge shotgun brush, depending on the diameter
Wood checking happens as green wood dries. 90% of the water leaves through the end grain. Once the wood is kiln dry it will not check further. When a dry piece of wood gets wet this free water will come out the end grain without any checking.There is No danger of this stock checking when it dries.
@@marknovak8255 I've seen 200 year old pieces of furniture that were built with air dried wood crack once they were put in a house with eletric heat because the humidity was too low. I advise clients with eletric heat to install a humidifer. Does your shop need a humidifer?
@@robinblackmoor8732 Yes sounds boards crack when they are in Too dry of an enviorment and also because of all the glueblocks holding the tops on. That doesn't alow for movement. Wood is always moveing with humidity changes. In an ideal world wooden objecte should be kept at 50% humidity anf 70 degrees F..
At @10 minutes he talks about the contaminants in the flood waters. After Katrina I tried to salvage my hand tools that had been in the salt-poop-chemicals for a month. After washing them and soaking in fresh water I brushed the rust off and stacked them in the grass. I looked over and they were DRAWING BLOWFLIES!!!
Oh no.
I’d be wearing latex gloves doing the cleanup. So many ag and industrial chemicals plus sewage were in those flood waters.
The worst was water in the optics
Prayers for all the people affected by this disaster. Hope some can get a small piece of their lives back that they thought was gone forever with your help Mark.
Hi Partner, 50 Years ago I was in the Army assigned as maintenance to a telecommunications center. I once had a problem with one teletype, and I worked for three hours trying to troubleshoot the problem. I went back to the barracks to sleep on the problem. Sure, enough I dreamed what the problem was, I skipped the chow hall breakfast and headed right to the com-center and by GOD I dreamt where the problem was and how to repair it. So, if you ever catch me on a power nap, please don't pester me as I may be working on a problem.
You teaching us about wood being like a tight bundle of straws gave me a new outlook on handling and working with wooden stocks.
Your videos are amazing! Fabulous restoration! Thank you very much........greatly appreciated
As a retired wood butcher I can affirm what you said about the drying process. Since that wood has already been thoroughly dried once when they were turning part of a tree into a buttstock, the warping will be minimal, but the end grain must be sealed to prevent checking. That stock would look really strange with dutchmen holding it together. (Yeah, I know you use screws embedded in acraglas for that.) Thanks, Mark. I generally learn a couple new things with every video and learning is fun.
Avoiding the screws is the whole point.....just sayin
@@marknovak8255 I agree. Your plastic wrap technique beats the heck out of Anchor Seal. It's cheap and elegant in its simplicity.
Love how simple your method is. Definitely seems like the kind of thing that has to be done low and slow.
Why aren't there a thousand "likes" and comments ahead of me? This is *GOLD!* Thank you, Mark. 👍
The knowledge and experience you share is a gift to us all. Thank you. All the best from the midwest.
I bow to you Mark. Because of your videos I managed to restore few guns which looked like they passed river Styx years ago... Thank you!
Oh! Look, patina!😅😂 That made my day.
Yea that cracked me up too 😂
Always a treat observing a skilled craftsman.
I'm from the Asheville Nc area gunsmiths like mark are doing a needed service after the destruction up here.
May god be with you and everyone in this and mark is a rockstar in my eyes.
Wow, great timing. I got some flood furniture salvage to attempt, thanks for the the talk through.
I recently stumbled upon a large estate where the gentleman was selling off his grandfathers firearm collection. Unfortunately, they’d been stored in a damp room with soaking wet carpet and a leaky roof. Some are too far gone, others look like they’ve been dug out of a creek, and some had minimal rust. I’ve been slowly going through them all, a lot of military surplus rifles, shotguns, and lever actions. Still have more to purchase, say I’ve already brought home 30 or so
Save em please!
@ I’ve purchased around 30 of them. I’m a big milsurp collector, each rifle is getting either a full restoration or turned back into fully functional/shooters. I’ve already saved a couple that were way too far gone
@@zacharywatters1843 I'm a poor collector but still save whatever I can! Cheers!
Relieved that youre alright, Sir, and thank you for making this. God bless you! 🙏🙏🙏
Educational while entertaining. As always. Thank you Mark.
I dont know if you offer a DVD series or collection of your videos. But these are gold. Thank you for the consistently information rich content you put out. Your decades of experience shine in all you do. ❤
Wow, thanks
05:43 Dang! The mud has critters. Look at one crawling back into the center screw hole. Nice camera work in details.
Thanks so much,Mark.
Your vids are a treasure trove of exceptional knowledge.
Floods are terrible things. Thanks for helping save those firearms. I had to pause when you said "the ATF seems to make this run a lot better"... Oh Automatic Transmission Fluid...
This is a lot like recovering artifacts from ship wrecks. It's already been as wet as it gets and taking it out of that environment without great care will basically leave you with with nothing to show.
See the Mary Rose and the Swedish Vasa, entire shipwrecks and artifacts themselves, for a very similar precedent.
You're a wealth of information.
Love your videos. You should do a video on properly cleaning antique firearms after shooting them with black powder(especially nickel plated ones)
I haven't redried wood, but I've dried green blocks of wood. I'd suggest when you put the stock in the garbage bag, I'd throw enough coarse wood shavings in with the stock. Shavings from a hand plane seem to be best, the most fluffy. Don't use sawdust, it packs too much.The chips initially pull water out from the stock, but then everything slows down with the chips now moist they moderate the speed of the drying. I think they help the stock from going off too fast, and the plastic bag isn't directly touching the wood.
I use one turky burner and gutter when i convert. Thank you Mark.
Thanks for another thought provoking avenue to achieve proper results.
You bet
I have to say thank you for sharing your knowledge.
I just got done doing the maintenance on a milsurp buttstock plate for an AK.
With respect I would have like to see the whole restoration!!
Oh look, patina! Love it Mark!
I forget if you covered it in another video, but is it ok to boil springs? It is it best to just take the gun down as far as possible and clean the springs separately by other means. Thanks!
I most likely will never do this. Seeing the techniques involved is still very interesting. It could be useful for something else made of wood. You never know the future needs you might have.
Look, patina .... always makes me laugh.
Thank you sir for your awesome work and knowledge always learning
Shame to see an old Winchester in that condition, and a somber reminder to the attrition that happens to these old guns, every decade there’s less and less in good fireable condition
Just remember that high detergent engine oil still smells like solvent when you drain it. I'm a big fan of ND30 oil for shop use.
Excellent as always! We have much in common , would love to sit down with a few drinks of choice and have a BS session with ya for a few hours
Lots of useful information. 🤝🏻👍🏻
One problem with properly dried wood is that if it becomes completely saturated it can actually shrink smaller than it was before think of a wood barrel built with dry wood and was filled for a time then drained an left in a dry place cracks open between staves and the rings slip!!! This could be very bad on a gun around the tang
Is a part 2 comming 😅?
Yet one more thing I have absolutely no desire to face.
After watching your conservation method, then seeing videos of other "gunsmiths" totally destroy a firearm with sandpaper and aggressive wire wheels, I have to wonder how they get likes and follows on their sites.
Because guns are cool, but most lay people don't understand how they mechanically work, or understand the difference between conservation and a massacre
@@BeefSupreme115 Yeah, the layman doesn't know, and doesn't care to know. This is a fairly specialized craft.
Thank you sir for a very enjoyable video six stars
Thank you for the videos.
Thanks for posting Mark
How do you prevent the inside of the bag from getting moldy and then covering your stock in mold and mildew? And if it does end up covered in it, what do you do then?
Turn the bag inside out once a week does this
Happy Holidays 🕎.What is the name for soft wire brush for grinder ? (You've touched it with your bare hand Anvil 111 🙏 Thank you.
Marks - Wash - An - Go ;)
Thanks again
Would hosing it out with oil have slowed the rust for the duration till you could deal with it, or would it have created worse problems with wood end grain ect than it solved?
LOL! Patina,yeah....
You are doing the Lord's work Mark.
Always keep them clean, dry, and oiled. But, great video. Use Ballistol, that'll help out a lot!
Ballistol is just 99.99% mineral oil, with a drop of black licorice ketones per bottle. Save yourself some money and just buy USP mineral oil by the gallon for 1/20th the price.
*MOAR!!!*
Our prayers for the Helene storm survivors.
I am sure it will come out fine, even after a possible septic tank crap soaking. But an industrial strength detergent might be in order for the digits.
Mark uses Dawn Soap! Good enough for Ducks and good enough for Gun Stocks. 🤷🏻♂️
to remove excess moisture slowly I use Ridx, a bag with moisture absorbing material and when it condenses it falls in the bottom of it.
Also I've used the packets of moisture packets that come in boxes from the factory. Even if the packets are old, microwave for a few minutes to bring them back to life. They are great for in gun safes to absorb moisture.
In the 1950s when Dad ordered lumber (2X4s) for the farm, each end-grain was dipped into a green wax - probably for a 1/4".
Thanks Mark 👍👍
would you not have any issues along the sections of stock where the grain is exposed from the act of carving a stock? or is the area around a single growth ring secure enough to be manageable
Please show the complete restoration of this piece.
"Oh look. Patina" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Mark singing the praises of ATF! (only for rusty guns ;-)
"Patina" haha...
How did you comment on an unlisted video 3 days before it went public?
Patreon
What he said
Mark, when you convert are you using regular tap water or distilled water? Does it matter for conversion/cleanup? I’ve heard to use distilled water for the rust blue process but I don’t know how critical that component is when performing a simple cleanup/ conversion.
great video
The reason I drink beer is because fish poop in water. 🤘
Valid point... 🤷🏻♂️👍🏻😅
If there's fish poop in your drinking water, I would be more concerned with the human poop that is in it.
Exactly, which is the reason I don't eat fish because they swim in their own toilet. I do however take fish oil for my heart health.
From one submariner to another you are such an ass. Oh Look Patina! I love it ! LOL
I didn't notice the cord until you said something about it.
Look's like an 1897 Winchester 12 gauge ✝️🇺🇸🤔
When we were doing semi 1919’s, the moment they came out of the park solution they went into a hot water rinse bath and from there straight into a tank of ATF (Dextron II) and let it cool down overnight but better for 24 hours. Then we wiped down the parts and used a light oil on the parked items. Now a little hint I was told ages ago by a Israeli machine gunner was that the cloth belts worked better when soaked in ATF and then were allowed to drip dry a bit. I wonder if it’s true. Have a pair of new ones from IMA back in the day but also have a bunch of links as well. Next project, a linker press. Have the belt loader but not the .308 needle adapters parts. Any one have any machinists plans for these items?
Can you hang it in hot steam instead of submerging it in boiling water
Yes
How long will it take for you to restore the old shotgun?
If you have access to a humidity controlled space, could you put the stock in there and slowly reduce the humidity? Start at 99% and drop it 1 % per day or something of that nature?
Yes, certainly. However, guys on the front lines probably won't have access. Hence,......
You don't drink ocean water mark...
It's not because of fishpiss. It's the NaCl.
Wait, you're saying that tragic boating accident..
How many dimensions does that rust have?
5
@@pallas_weptOnly Mark's serious viewers will get that.
@marknovak8255 model is that ? I'm just curious because several years ago I had a chance to get one , at a distance, similar in appearance to a 1897 lady changed her mind and turned it in "for public safety reasons"
@lightweight1974 all the volume knobs in the shop go to 11, also......
@@marknovak8255 ROFLMAO 🤣😅😂
10-W-40 adds mileage
Отлично👍🤝
Tis the season. I'm suprised you don't do a Monty Python Terry Jones tribute rising out of a wurlitzer wearing a bow tie 🎀
How 'used' should the motor oil be?
3 or 4k driveway oil change ish is fine
@@marknovak8255 fun fact: if you have lifter rattle in a V8, a qt of ATF in the oil and a 50-mile drive before you change said oil will usually clear that rattle up.
I have found the usaly best tool for unscrewing old butt stocks on older shotguns to be one the old car tools like use to use with bumper jacks the flate end that was ment to pry off hub caps usaly fits perfectly the srew slot
What're the odds of a whole bunch of very rusty very dirty projectile expellers coming up for sale for dirt cheap in the coming years?
Would something similar to what us IT guys do with tech that's saturated with water also work, i.e. stick it in a bag full of rice?
No, the issue is you need the water to come out slow and steady, as the wood fibers have swelled and distorted shape with the water and if they dry too fast, the fibers break under the stress of transition. Dry the wood slowly, the fibers can ease back into their correct shape with fewer stress fractures.
Electronics are made of plastics and other materials that tend not to absorb water, so your only real concern is getting rid of the water that is interfering with the flow of electrons.
Long and short, rice is TOO good at drying, so it would not be advised to use it in this situation.
The gentle warmth of an incandescent bulb also works well
The rice method was put to bed quite some time ago.
@@pallas_wept If you don't go to bed wet then problem solved.
Deffo wear gloves during a cleanup like that,anti bacterial soaps a good idea too.
no😭
And then there are people who aren't afraid of dirt.
@Chris_Garman and then there are people who end up in hospital with E coli and dysentery from handling stuff contaminated with human and animal.shite and other fun stuff.
My dad’s been a plumber for over 60 years and deals with sewage all the time, use some Dawn and rinse, then rinse in bleach. He’s never had a infection or disease from it.
29 cents' worth of no-latex gloves beats the heck out of a hospital bill (or even, really, a tetanus shot bill) but who doesn't have little nicks and cuts and hangnails for the nasty critters to invade thru? I mean, work with your hands = wear on the hide....
Oh, I thought patina was a girls name.😆
Beauty is only skin deep.
@@martinm3474 Literally.
@@martinm3474, yes, but ugly goes all the way to the bone.
Oh!, PATINA.!!! Lolol
Patty +Tina=Patina!
Can someone help me understand the used oil part? I think I've watched just about every video including conversion 101, but I've never understood this so if it's covered elsewhere I missed it. My often wrong intuition tells me there is nothing beneficial in used motor oil, or at least not enough to offset all the dissimilar metals, acids, moisture, and so on. Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope.
You don’t want to use an oil that has any sort of detergent left in it. You can buy air compressor oil or something similar that is detergent free, but used motor oil will have all of the detergent burned out of it and free used motor oil is a lot cheaper than not free detergent-less oil.
It's cheap, doesn't have much detergent left in it, it's cheap, easy to get, cheap works great at soaking large areas for the first time, and it's cheap and everywhere.
You forgot to mention it's really affordable😂
@@LittleAussieRockets, and you can usually get it for a low price.
It's an old bodyman's trick to pour used engine oil into the doors, quarter panels and fender jambs of freshly painted cars to halt/prevent rust in hard-to-reach areas. Man, must've been 40 years since I heard that. Guess it works for guns too!
If you are not going to push in hard don’t push in at all
Neat ! ! !
PATINA!!😂
Wow.
For anyone working on anything coming from Helene’s floods, wear a mask, that silt creates an incredibly fine dust that is likely toxic and will tear you up.
It’s also incredibly sticky, I have had to wash my duty Glock in the ultrasonic cleaner multiple times to kill the grittiness from it.
👍👍
Australians call a Cresent wrench a "Shifter Wrench".
We just say shifter
Some people call it a thumb detecting nut fudger.
@@leadingseamanphilbillingto100Thanks for the clarification.
Did you flush out the bolt channel? You didn’t show it in the video.
I was thinking the same thing. The stock fixing screw had lots of corrosion. If I thought (overthought) it through, I believe I'd use a nylon 12 gauge shotgun brush, depending on the diameter
Patina…
😖
Careful Mark, I heard reports of nuclear contamination in that silt. It killed search dogs after it removed their hair
I think after his Navy career, Mark is pretty much immune to nuclear radiation. Well, except for the one eyebrow ;)
La Platina $$$
Wood checking happens as green wood dries. 90% of the water leaves through the end grain. Once the wood is kiln dry it will not check further. When a dry piece of wood gets wet this free water will come out the end grain without any checking.There is No danger of this stock checking when it dries.
It will, it does and it has, when held under water for several days. Your gunsmith reality may be different, but mine isn't
Getting wet duck hunting is one thing, and in this you are correct. A wet stock is one thing, but a drunk one....
@@marknovak8255 I've seen 200 year old pieces of furniture that were built with air dried wood crack once they were put in a house with eletric heat because the humidity was too low. I advise clients with eletric heat to install a humidifer. Does your shop need a humidifer?
@@barefoofDrIt happens with guitars too. They should not be stored in a dry environment. They will crack. 😊
@@robinblackmoor8732 Yes sounds boards crack when they are in Too dry of an enviorment and also because of all the glueblocks holding the tops on. That doesn't alow for movement. Wood is always moveing with humidity changes. In an ideal world wooden objecte should be kept at 50% humidity anf 70 degrees F..
What the everlovin' heck?!?!?!?!