Douglas Murray: Saying "Palestine" Feeds Into The LIE!
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2024
- Douglas Murray is asked by an audience member about whether we should use or legitimise the term "Palestine" as a national identity - given its clear purpose to simply undermine Israel, rather than achieve genuine national self-determination. Ollie reacts to Douglas' words.
He is so right! Before 1964 there were no "palestinians".
Pre 1948 what was the area called?
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Which came first, the second Jewish Temple - or the Al-Aqsa Mosque?
@@checo8187Levante or Holy Land.
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Jews in Palestine were commonly called Palestinians.
Palestine was common name for Israel.
Arabs in Palestine were called Arabs.
Israeli is a new name for a Jewish Palestinian.
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Jewish Temple built hundreds of years earlier.
Islam developed just 1400 years ago from polytheism.
There is no Country of Palestine. It was a Roman name for the country of what is now Israel. Which was also Israel before the Romans
Even better, "Palestine" is a Western (Roman) colonial name, derived from the "Phillistines", which where Greek colonizers prior to the Romans,,, so yeah, Palestine is Western colonialism appropriated by Islame
"Palestine" is the occupation name of the Land of Israel.
@@amyrenee1361 Yeah. But the New Testament is more of a self-serving christian contrivance and less of a record of history. I hate to break it to you, but as far as Jews are concerned, you and your book have no credibility. 😆
@amy- ignoramous. The LAND of Israel is REAL. Haven’t you heard of the PROMISED LAND? Promised by WHOM.
I'm not jewish ! I thought Abraham was an Iraqi who travelled to the region ! A region that was heavily populated before the birth of the jewish faith ! I was led to believe canaanites were a mix of local Arab Persian who were descendants of natufians who were the first settlers on the land of israel ! They were also present in Jordan, Syria and lebanon
I’ve never heard ANYONE claim Jesus was a Palestinian. Jesus was Jewish!
But the idiots exist. Mostly Islamists.
There were millions of Palestinians, and they were all Jews.
@@anthonyjacobs6790 There is no historical document before 1960 that speaks of Palestinians. Israelites, Judeans, Samirians, Philistines (greek sea people aka pirates), invasive Arabs were not an issue, but there were no Palestinians. I assume that someone who speaks Hebrew does not describe himself as an "Invader".
I’ve heard people make this claim online. It is based on ignorance, and prejudice against Israel.
@@Davidmp The claim usually comes from Arab accounts. I think they have mental/religious problems accepting that their Messiah Isa was a Jew. A Judean from the house of David. It's just Ignorant if they can't accept that there own faith is just a sub-sect of Judaism.
My mom’s first passport said Palestinian and she’s Jewish. The Palestinian flag in 1939 was two blue stripes with a six pointed star inside. 🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱
Which was a British passport.
Always a reference to Jews!
You wish!
The territory was called "British Palestine" before reverting to the true name of the area, Israel.
@@jeanetteraichel8299 It was a Mandate, not a territory.
There is no Palestine. Never was. Blame the Romans for this one 😂
What you bringing me into it for this was thousands of years ago 😅
What have the Romans ever done for us?
@@ralphabbott9076 who are you?
@@ralphabbott9076 okay okay your called Ralph...
Emperor Hadrian if I’m correct. Am Yisrael Chai ✡️ 🇮🇱
Mus built Al-Aqsa Mosque on top of the Jewish Second Temple. Arabs know this, archaeologists and historians know this, Christians know this, everyone knows this.
It should be taken down as its an abomination to God. God said Thou shall have no other God befor me. There is only one God and he is the living God of Israel. ( No other) Muslims do not worship the God of Israel.
Yes, all groups called it the Holy Land before this Palestine nonsense that the British reinforced.
Actually, although their damned mosque is built on Har Habayit, the Temple Mount, it is kipat hasela, dome of the rock, that is built where the temple once stood. And that was originally a church, built by the Crusaders.
Muslims still doing that all over the world until today they came, spread then destroy churches & temples then build mosques.
Churches in Philippines, Africa and Indonesia are burnt down then mosques built there instead.
Indeed everybody knows this. They even teach it in schools...apart from the fact there is absolutely no archaeological evidence of this mythical Second Temple.
No such thing as Palestine nor Palestinians. Period. They’re either Gazans Egyptians or Jordanians.
There still people arnt they.?
No such thing as Israelis before 1948. A European invention imposed on the ME for some reason.
Dont forget there gods chosen people stephen.never forget that 😉
@@tomgallagher7870 🤣🤣🤣. I think He chose badly!!
@@stephendoherty981 deffo 😉😉
Douglas Murray is one brave man!!!!!
And a true gentleman!
What's brave about supporting Israel? It's those who support the Palestinians who are getting death threats and losing their jobs.
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@@jameshenderson5385 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Full of his own Bull***
Thank you Rita Panahi!
Thank you Douglas Murray!
Thank you Peter Hitchens!
Thank you Christopher Hitchens!
Thank you Mosab Hassan Yousef!
As of June 2024, Israel has had a total of 15 prime ministers since its founding in 1948. Out of these, three prime ministers were born in Israel. They are:Benjamin Netanyahu (born 1949 in Tel Aviv)Yair Lapid (born 1963 in Tel Aviv)Naftali Bennett (born 1972 in Haifa
And Rudy Rochman and Mahyar Tousi
THANK YOU I.D.F. Hassan Yousef Musab, should receive the Nobel Prize for Peace! the only person form Gaza ever.
🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮. One for each of the genocide apologists you just mentioned.
@adamakaru2683 Have they changed your meds again?
Thank you Douglas Murray ! I always refuse to use the word "palestine"because there is not nor ever has been a country called "palestine". I always simply say Gaza. Am Yisrael Chai.
I've stopped saying Israel since I started reading the history of the conflict. It's Palestine and always was Palestine. Israel is just a European invention, placed in the ME, for some reason.
@@stephendoherty981 I like Lowkey's coinage, "The Zionist Entity". It's a bit of a mouthful but it has the ring of truth.
@musopaul5407 I like that! Think I'll start using it. It's better than using 'Israel', a name which confers some ill-founded legitimacy on what is, I believe, a non-state, founded on a great lie.
Amen, truth!
@@stephendoherty981
You just said Israel in your first comment and then again in your second 😄
Good luck with not saying it again 🤪
There was never a kingdom or country called "Palestine."
There actually is a State of Palestine now. It's an officially recognized country since 1988 (now in 2024 it's recognized by 144 of 193 UN member states) and a non-member observer state of the United Nations General Assembly since 2012.
Yes there was, now how on earth you clowns think the UN could partition Palestine if there was no place called Palestine
Using this to justify multiple massacres is an ugly argument
@@sharper68 I don't think they are justifying any massacres but just saying that the State of Palestine shouldn't exist and that the people living in it shouldn't have the right to statehood.... which is weird because it already does and it's recognized by 144 countries around the world.
@@WaaDoku They are using thet empty falsehood to justify the medieval style siege to starve and drive out millions to steal the land they are on.
Saying Palistine does not exist is nakedly in support of that. This is the spin of litteral monsters. There is no defending likuds actions and this is a try hard fail.
They ever more pariah's and correctly so
I thank God for Douglas Murray he is a truth teller.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. Oh please. Stop.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. Please make it stop😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Get a grip
Nah bro I can't save you anymore 😂
@@Hemma-mm he is the loudest voice telling the truth and not following the MSM like a sheep. I am glad we have someone with critical thinking who is not scared of the mob. So you get a grip mate
@@Al_Varroz I think it's you who might need God's help.
Zahir Muhse’in, who was a member of the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) Executive Committee, said in a 1977 interview with the Amsterdam-based newspaper Trouw, “The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct ‘Palestinian people’ to oppose Zionism.”
Douglas Murray one in a million,,, he’s a treasure !!!! We should applaud him every chance we get for everything he does for us. 🇮🇱🇺🇸🇮🇱🇺🇸🇮🇱🇺🇸
There's no palestinians & no palestine.
There actually is. Palestine is an officially recognized country since 1988 (now in 2024 it's recognized by 144 of 193 UN member states) and a non-member observer state of the United Nations General Assembly since 2012.
@@WaaDokuafter un control by muslim
@@WaaDoku well and where should we go to give space to this so called state of Palestine?? To your country? Do you know how small is Israel? You are all delusional
Oh please tell me its borders What's its coins..
@@WaaDoku It's a non land state how you can have that I don't know but they do because the UN is ruled by muslims and dictatorships and communists...
Palestine was once Judea, the land of the Jews. Palestine did not exist. The Philistines had long since vanished. The Romans renamed the area, Palestrina, known as Palestrina in Syria. It was not a state. Jews lived there in the main. It was just an administrative district. The idea of Palestine is a modern one, invented purely to cause mischief.
Blame the Zionists for introducing the term. Arabs had erased it upon conquering Byzantine Palestine
WILL ALL YOU DRIBBELLING CLOWNS STOP THIS ANCIENT HISTORY CRAP. Australia used to be called Gondwanland, so what.
Ancient Israelites converted first to Christianity and later to Islam so Palestinians are the original Israelites.. The whole area has always been very diverse and all religion had their place there. If a person from that area left Judaism for Islam it doesn't mean that that person no longer belonged to the area. if you don't like the name Palestine then it doesn't matter. Call it whatever you want.
@@michadomeracki5910 The majority of the Jooz were forcefully removed from their land, they did not convert to christianity or Islam. Stop making stuff up.
@@michadomeracki5910 No. Most of the Arabs came into the area after Islam swept through.
This is an occupiers name. The name used by Romans to rename Judea the Jewish homeland.
YUP just like the Current OCCUPIERS of the. West Bank
😎👌🇬🇧💯🇮🇱i stand with Israel!
There's no Israel state before 1948 there were no Israel state if no British government until Israel state were built 1948 . shame on Israel supporter
@@shasha14779you are talking just pure nonsense
@@boguslawagumuchian2427 no nonsense .that time under British . there no Israel state before 1948 . Israel state was built 1948 support by under British
Amen, God Bless Israel.🙏
@@choppermike3329 there no Israel state before 1948 . Israel state was built 1948 under British . shame on you and his supporter
Have you seen the wall the Egyptians have built between themselves and Gaza? It is something that Donald Trump could only dream about.
Except for the tunnels under it 🤣
Yes; he should contract whoever built that wall to build one for the US, once he becomes President again.
@@gwensteddy2038Yea, but the Gazan riff raff don’t have access to those.😂
ULTRAMAGAKINGTRUMP24😃.
Mr Murray is brilliant.
A brilliant liar.
For dimwits
@@stephendoherty981 Yes, I can see all the verifiable evidence you posted proving your point.
If only there were more Douglas Murrays in the world !
Yep! Im not going to call them Balestinians anymore! Regional Arabs!! That's who they are!!
And unwanted Arabs, they are, because they are so violent and so filled with hate.
Yes they are arabs obviously as every nation surrounding Israel is arab ! It's obvious also that the original population of the land would also be arab ! Probably Persian, Egyptian and North African ,Saudi etc
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The Canaanites are gone, God gave the Arabs different lands outside of what He promised the Jews.
@@saywhat8966 OK now you have gone all religious !
No, he didn't! The concept of Arabs didn't even exist yet! @@saywhat8966
They can't pronounce their name, they can't say "pa" they say Balestin. This is so dumb on so many levels
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There's no P in Arabic.
Typically it’s Falastin I’ve noticed.
@@andersschmich8600Yes, I've heard Mosab Hassan Yusef call it that.
Actually they say in Arabic falestin.
But yeah, no p there.
I try not to use the term palestinian, and use Gazans instead.
The Gaza Strip is a separate area surrounding Gaza City, it was never considered part of Palestine until the local Arabs started using it as another front in their fight against Israel! They are not one and the same, don't let the Arabs confuse you with their incessant lies! Given half the chance, they will convince you that YOUR land is actually THEIR land that you stole from them, and that they are now taking back!
same
I've stopped using 'Israel' since I read up on the conflict. I say 'Palestine' now instead.
@@stephendoherty981 Nice try
@@stephendoherty981 Palestine? Lol. No such country has ever existed.
"Only for political and tactical reason do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct 'Palestinian people' to oppose Zionism." ... "In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese."
- PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein in 1977
I've lived & worked in Gaza. I did not ever hear anyone call it ' Palestine '. Ever.....!
It's a word that's been used to establish s a false narrative based on a revised history. And it is part of the huge PROPAGANDA machine that many seem to actually beleve. It has been especially useful on elite students of elite universities who prefer to protest for something that has no basis in truth. They don't know and don't seem to care about learning the facts . They don't understand that they're being used as useful idiots. They also don't seem to understand that if they were in Gaza they would be tortured and killed for who they are and what they represent !
They don't know that Israel is on the frontlines of fighting a war for the rest t of he world.
The extremist Islamiist have vowed to do what they did to Israel -- in their terrorists attacks on October 7( and that they do on an ongoing basis to Israel) , they plan to do to Europe , the U.S., etc. They have a deep hatred for all the "infidells" -- Christian, Jewish, other Muslims, etc. and vow to kill all and establish a caliphate -- an Islamiist regime with no tiolerance for anyone else -- where they have absolute rule!
The world needs to wake up.
Great point!!! More people need to hear this. Keep telling it...
GAza is a lazy European description only since the illegal occupation in 1967, before that it was Palestine
It was part of a region that the Roman colonists called “Palestine” 2000 years ago, yes.
Jordan was also part of “Palestine”. Should they also revert back to that name, and start calling themselves Palestinians, rather than Jordanians?
The fact is, nobody’s ever been obsessively devoted to that old colonial name, until after the “Palestinian people” were invented by the PLO in the mid -1960s.
It’s not even an Arab name.😂@@marilynshepherd6480
@@marilynshepherd6480 when the Egyptians ruled gaza between 48-67 why was there no complaint of "occupation" - asking for a friend
Ironic how they want to be known as an ancient Roman slur for our people.
That's one theory, but it was not a slur, just SOP by Romans who took away or took back authority in a region. Syria-Palestina for the region, and Aelia Capitolina for Jerusalem.
Roman's called it palestinia as an insult to jews. On the land were Jews , Gazans , christians and other tribes. Now there are only Muslims from Jordan and Egypt
Left out Arabia.
"Insult" is the myth, not fact.
Being pro-palestinian is the same as being pro-islamic.
And?
Pro-Palestinian is 💯% pro-Hamas. Palestinians PUBLICLY celebrated Hamas 7:10 terrorism
They are just a terrorist group.Arafat the Egyptian con man gave them that name...
@@stephendoherty981 And nothing probably. They just hate Palestinians.
Not Pro-Christian? Because there are no Palestinians Christians, or because it is not part of the agenda to talk about them in case the way Israel discriminates against them has to be accepted-?
Just call them "Gazans".
I call Israeli's 'Europeans' now..
@@stephendoherty981 Some of them, yeah. Others are African, American, etc ... make sense since not all were born in Israel. Most of the original Gazans have died off, so many of the current occupants of Gaza were indeed born there.
Good for you
@@Jon....... Their founding fathers were Czechs and Poles, mainly.
@@stephendoherty981 I call Palestinians "imaginary" now.
Exactly!!! We all should call them Arabs and stop use this false association term that only represent the British Mandate for palestine that consisted on Jews and Arabs all Israel Knesset members should stop refer to them as Palestians but Arabs who lately decide to call themselves Palestinians and instead pa the should say aa the Arab Authority. There was never such nation in history. The ancient people called Philistines were Greek sea people who landed on Israel Sea shores. Their name derived from the Hebrew word for invader "polesh". The Arabs in gaza had Egyptian citizenship the ones in Judea and Samaria Jordenians, one of hamas leader admitted they are all belong to the Arabic peninsula states.
The first Arab newspaper in Palestine to explicitly use the name "Palestine" in its title was "Filastin" (meaning "Palestine" in Arabic). "Filastin" was founded in 1911 in Jaffa by Issa El-Issa and his cousin Yousef El-Issa. This newspaper played a crucial role in the Palestinian national movement and in fostering a sense of Palestinian identity.
No such country as Israel either before 1948. It's a weird European invention.
@@stephendoherty981 No such country as Palestine has ever existed.
What others think or say, it does not matter. From the Bible, I know that the land is Israel.
Has been for 3300 years
Oh please...
That was then just like parts of Europe
Canaanites and Edomites mixing with the descendants of Japheth, when does the madness stop?
Oh so it must be true
-One and only Jewish state:
1 Israel.
-56 Muslim countries, member states of the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC):
1 Afghanistan,
2 Algeria,
3 Saudi Arabia,
4 Egypt,
5 Guinea,
6 Indonesia,
7 Iran,
8 Jordan,
9 Kuwait,
10 Lebanon,
11 Libya,
12 Malaysia,
13 Mali,
14 Mauritania,
15 Morocco,
16 Niger,
17 Pakistan,
18 Senegal,
19 Sudan,
20 Somalia,
21 Chad,
22 Tunisia,
23 Türkiye,
24 Yemen,
25 Bahrain,
26 United Arab Emirates,
27 0man,
28 Qatar,
29 Syria,
30 Sierra Leone,
31 Bangladesh,
32 Gabon,
33 Gambia,
34 Guinea Bissau,
35 Uganda,
36 Burkina Faso,
37 Cameroon,
38 Comoros,
39 Iraq,
40 Maldives,.
41 Djibouti,
42 Benin,
43 Brunei,
44 Nigeria,
45 Azerbaijan,
46 Albania,
47 Kyrgyzstan,
48 Tajikistan,
49 Turkmenistan,
50 Mozambique,
51 Kazakhstan,
52 Uzbekistan,
53 Suriname,
54 Togo,
55 Guyana,
56 Ivory Coast.
And they want to make it more like 320 using Any means that works for them.
Ignorance must be replaced with truth.
Albenia is also Muslim. If you consider Kosovo, them as well
@@saywhat8966 Actually they want 1 huge country coverung the whole world
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This is the list of 56 Muslim countries that are member states of the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC).
Nigeria has over 100 million Christians...out of 240 millions people,Nigeria is not a Muslim country.
No, we shouldn't use the term! Thank you for addressing this!
There's no such place as Palestine or Palestinians 🇮🇪🇮🇱🙏🇮🇱🇮🇪❤️
Douglas Murray is the best!!!
The best liar.
@@stephendoherty981 Yes, I can see all the verifiable evidence you posted proving your point.
The land was given to the Jews by their God Jehovah. The Jews are blessed people. Soloman built the temple and the Arch of covenent was place there.
I am Indian and I support Israel
You are right, to the Jaws(e) but not to these radical European converts.
YHVH (Yahve). Jehova was a mistranslitteration by Christian monks in the Middle Ages.
That sounded sensible until you invoked your made-up deity, a technique that inevitably leads to conflicts with all the *other* made-up deities!
@@checo8187 Better tell that to all the Jews expelled from the Arab countries.
It irritates me to hear pastors refer to Jesus as living in palestine. I feel it directly denies the historicity of Israel.
Hi, Point that out to your or any pastor for that matter and he how he reacts. 😉. I've only had hostile reactions from people that claim to be Christians when I try to show them much of what they teach simply isn't in the Hebrew/English bible. 🙃
Matthew 2:1-12 "Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea when Herod was king. After Jesus’ birth wise men from the east arrived in Jerusalem. They asked, “Where is the one who was born to be the king of the Jews? "
Mathew 2: "He called together all the chief priests and the experts in the Scriptures and tried to find out from them where the Messiah was supposed to be born. They told him, “In Bethlehem in Judea. The prophet wrote about this: Bethlehem in the land of Judah, you are by no means least among the leaders of Judah. A leader will come from you. He will shepherd my people Israel.”
Plus the 1st Century books of the New Test including Acts never use the word Palestine, but on several occasions refers to Judea, Samaria, and the Galilee.
But the Truth means nothing today for 60% of the population of the world.
Thank you for explaining the true meaning of the Palestinian people -none. There was no such people as such. Jews were also called Palestinian during the British mandate.
And called that into the 1960’s!
Just because a renowned liar says it, doesn't mean it's true, you know. Palestinians have been there for centuries. Plenty of documented evidence mentioning the Palestinians. Israelis, on the other hand? No mention of them anywhere before 1948
To call an Arab a Palestinian before 1964 was considered a grave insult.
Murray is right, of course. There never was a Palestine nor a Palestinian people. Just layers & layers of lies.
I agree 💯 no Palestine
free palestine 🇵🇸 stay mad
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@@ruthcarter1360imaginary flag!
@@mm2ghxsty Palestinian flag???
I've been once in a country called Israel, never heard about the country of Palestine.
The Arabs of the Gaza Strip and West Bank were either Jordani or Egyptian. In 1979 Egypt disclaimed Gaza and in 1988 King Hussein disclaimed the West Bank. The PLO then claimed that was 'Palestine'.
The whole region was arab ! The first settlers in israel were descendants of arab and North Africa , canaanites were a majority arab dna , the natufians who were occupying the land thousands of years before were of arab North African dna
@@1seafisher The whole region is Semitic some were Juvvs, some were Christian, many were pantheistic and much, much later most became Muslim. Your point is?
@@1seafisher
Total ignorance.
The Arabs left the borders of Saudi Arabia only after 600 AD. The Canaanites were around 4000 years BC around the time the Hebrew-Israelite civilization began. The Kingdom of Judah collapsed in 70 AD, but even after it and in a continuous manner, there was always a Jewish settlement in the Land of Israel, even when it was impossible to make a living there, because world Jewry kept the Jews in the Land of Israel with its money. Arabs were like dunes, they came and went according to the economic and political situation, under the Ottoman rule the Land of Israel was part of the Damascus district without a special definition. Only after the British occupation at the beginning of the 20th century, the concept of Palestine was reinvented and it was intended to serve as a state for the Jews. This is the validity of the mandate that Britain received at the San Remo Conference of the League of Nations.
@@studiosorek1432 oh OK 😂 I will have to do some research ! So could you tell me what dna canaanites were it seems historians say one thing and jews totally the opposite ? It's so hard who to trust on this ! Because it is well known jewish faith was born in an area that was populated and fully functioning
@@studiosorek1432 because world experts in the field of dna studies all say palestinians carry much higher canaanite dna than jews ! So obviously they are descendents of the region ! And canaanites are descendants of natufians the first known settlers who inhabited israel thousands of years before were a mix of Persian, North African and the Arab peninsula . This is through bone studies obviously! Not religious scripts ! So it seems the confusion thrown in leaves people at odds which to believe , experts or religious writings
I don’t use the term Palestine. I use Gazans or the people of Gaza.
There was no country like Palestine. Judah, Judaea and Kindom of Israel existed, however ;-)
As did palestine ! On every atlas , history book , writings , even the palestinian mandate ! The truth of all this is israel never existed as a country till 1948 ! Ancient people's may have called it israel but it was formally recognised in 1948
@@1seafisher
Before 1948 and into the 1960’s Jews in the area were referrenced as Palestinians in Palestine, Not Arabs.
Anyone who uses "Palestine" is using imperial colonial language. I thought we were further ahead in the 21st century. Romans do not get a free pass for their crimes.
@@1seafisher "On an Atlas"?!....as a regional term which includes the area formerly known as the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah which actually existed and was reinstated as Israel as the one and only state where Jews could be free from persecution...clearly one Jewish state too many for those still intent on wiping them from the area....AGAIN
.....It isn't and has never been a recognised as a state or people known as Palestine. A term now simply used as a collective with a sole purpose to rid the area of Jews.....Cringe!!!
What next? Free Free Scandinavia?....and what exactly do they want to be free of?
There was a region that was referred to as Palestine. It had been controlled by various empires including the Ottomans, Mamluks, and others who NEVER referred to the area as Palestine until the British who referred to Jews as Palestinians and not Arabs as Palestinians.
Again, there is no "P" in Arabic, therefore the word "Palestine" does not even exist in Arabic language.
Spain isn't called "Spain" in Spanish... what's your point?
@@WaaDoku You are not smart are you? "Spain" is an "English" translation of "España" which is the name of the country you are referring to as "Spain". "Palestine" is not an "Arabic" word since there is no "P" in "Arabic" alphabet which does not make the term "Palestine" a natural term in "Arabic". The term itself came from a "Latin" word of which was derived from a "Greek" word then translated into "English" and the best they can do is to romanize it into "Filasṭīn", therefore it is just a "borrowed" word. This means that there never was a "Palestine" as a state nor people of "Palestine" but there were "Arabs". That's the point. Next time be smart and hopefully the "quotation marks" will help you understand better.
@@paulodiaz5774 The ad hominem attacks aside, you do realize that you could make the same exact argument about all sorts of places and languages, right? The Philippines for example are called "Pilipinas" in Tagalog which is derived from Spanish "Filipinas" (there is no [f] sound in Tagalog). It's a really weird argument to make and going from "those people pronounce the region different in their native language than we do in our native language" to "they borrowed the word from Latin so they should not have the right to exist in that region" is a really far stretch.
For example, do you also have a problem with Korean people because they don't have a voiceless labiodental fricative [f] in their phonetic inventory? Or Japanese people because they mostly construct words with consonant-vowel clusters and don't have distinct /l/ and /r/ sounds? I'd recommend learning another language besides English and then look at how different and similar the languages are because you seem to think that borrowings from other languages are rare and strange or somehow delegitimize someone's political claim.
@@WaaDoku This is simple. You just have to know the etymology of the word "Palestine" then you get back to me. Also, I don't know if you're a Pinoy or what, maybe you are but I'm a Pinoy therefore I know about the "Philippines" because I am one. Aral ka muna pre.
Agreed. There is not now, nor has there ever been a "Palestine."
The KGB hijacked the term in 1964. "Palestinian" meant a Tel-Aviv Jew until 1964 when the KGB invented the "Palestinian cause" and the PLO.
Hey! What do you mean "A Tel Aviv Jew"? The term Palestinian meant ANY Jew living ANYWHERE in the land that had been Israel and Judea and that had been renamed "Palestine" by the invading Romans!
@@kathy1310 Arafat appropriated the name in 1950’s.
@@kathy1310 I agree, I said Tel-Aviv because it was the largest city back then-still is, with more than 100 000 Jewish inhabitants by 1935. "Palestine, Land of promise" from 1935 posted on the Hebrew University of Jerusalem's RUclips channel is a must watch.
@@saywhat8966 The KGB invented the idea of an "indigenous Palestinian nation", the "nakba", the "Palestinian suffering" under "Zionist occupation". The Soviets and their satellite states called the 1948 war and the 1967 war "Israeli aggression". It's a well documented fact.
Yes! We need to say GAZA and GAZANs. That way, HAMAS is depicted as part of the people of GAZA, which they are: even to the atrocities on 7th October 2023.
We need to call Israelis, Europeans, for that is what they are. They're visitors from Poland and Czechoslovakia who never left.
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The majority of the jews in israel came from the middle east. The refugees from arab countrys.
Your ignorance is not a reason to lie.
There is also the fact that the Romans renamed the land after the Philistines (Plishtim in Hebrew) which derived from the Hebrew word "Polshim" which mean invaders.
And that what the so called Palestinians are, invaders.
hmmm. Interesting. Thank you. Philistines were a small fishing community around Gaza from Greece . They were Golthic {?} Jews had issues with them.
The story of David and Goliath comes from that.
Romans renamed Judea Philistine after them to take Jews identity from their land.
British called it Palestine for easy pronunciation. Jews land got named Palestine.
And Hamas just happens to mean wicked in hebrew! - and they most definitely are!!
One theory, Herodotus, father of history, used the word Palestine. In ancient greek the word "Pale" means to Wrestle, and Israel in Hebrew means to Wrestle. Palestine is the Greek work for Israel.
absolutely! If someone is an occupier it's the so called palestinians! Everyone should tell this to everyone all the time, the ''palestinians'' are the occupier not the other way around!!!
The Palestinian people do not exist. There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are part of one people, the Arab nation. Lo and behold, I have relatives with Palestinian, Lebanese, Jordanian and Syrian citizenship. We are one people. It is only for political reasons that we carefully endorse our Palestinian identity. Indeed, it is of national interest for the Arabs to encourage the existence of the Palestinians in the face of Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity is only for tactical reasons. The establishment of a Palestinian state is a new means to continue the struggle against Israel and for Arab unity.
There will never be "arab unity" and it's quite sick to leverage that hate towards Israel.
Amazing! Right from the horse's mouth.
They are Arabs, plain & simple. The Arabs know this, but have been playing on our ignorance! Time to wake up and learn real. history.
Makes perfect sense. Different people normally speak different languages. If you speak same language, look the same and have no other way to differentiate - you are the same people!
Yes, it's Arab Muslim imperialism. All you have to do is look at what the different colours on the flag represent. No connection with the land of Israel, all about imperial jihad.
I NEVER use the word Palestine when referring to ISRAEL 🇮🇱. NEVER. And NEVER will. The word Palestine is insidious to me!!!
My school book from 1983 is called the Arab Israeli conflict
God bless Israel!
Gaza not Palestine.
Palestine was artificially developed in KGB Labs in USSR !!!
Yes, few know that Palestinian Authority leader Abbas earned his PhD equivalent in Moscow.
There is no country called, ''Palestine''. When referring to "Israel" and its enemies, only the "Palestinian Arabs", and not "Palestine" should be used in contradistinction.
Really, then how did Hertzl want a ''state'' in Palestine in the 1880;s, how did the UK marxists set up communes in Palestine in the 1880s;, how did Balfour lobby for a jewish state in Palestine in 1917, how did the UN illegally partition Palestine in 1947, and how were the UK and Australian troops in Palestine in both world wars. What you mean to say is there was no such place as Israel - and do not give me the biblical crap, god was not realtor
I completely agree with this speaker. There is no such a place as Palestine. People need to understand the history of that to make an informed opinion.
When Alexandra the Great invaded the Middle East he called the vast area he conquered, Palestinia. After Alexander came the Romans and they continued with the name. After the Romans Jordan took over vast swathes of what was Roman Palestine. Later Syria took more great swathes and then Lebanon took their share. What was left was what had always been Israel. Occupied by Hebrews. Arabs had a multitude of lands with many different names. Why they want to claim the little bit called Israel is a mystery. Well not really , they just hate Jews more than any other nation.. Jealousy is the ONLY reason that comes to my mind. Although greed is a possible second.. If it is all the will of Allah why has Allah permitted the Jews to remain there despite hundreds of invasions.?
Sorry mate, the Romans named the area Palestina not the Greeks.
Herodotus does use the name in his history, but in ancient Greek, Pale, means to wrestle, as Israel does in Hebrew. Greek is indo-European, Hebrew is Semitic, and why the difference. Palestine means Israel in ancient Greek.
Calling yourself a palestinian is like calling yourself transgender, neither is real..
Trans is real
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@bdadolph
It's a delusion. As is palestine or narnia.
@@bdadolph Not it's not.
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Glad to see that so many people have come to agree with me. The West Bank is another term that should be scrapped.
It was the "West Bank of the Kingdom of Jordan" for 19 years, but that ended in 1967 and the King of Jordan had renounced any claim to the area by the 1980s.
You mean Zionists agree with you. Nobody else does, I assure you.
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No, it wasnt.
The UN didnt accept the jordenian occupation.
@@dr.g3860 Jordan illegally invaded and then annexed the area. Israel took it back in 1967. As this land was part of the Mandate for Palestine, under international law it is part of sovereign Israel.
@@studiosorek1432So the UN accepted that that land was legitimately the Jews’ land?
It can’t have been Arab land, because the Arabs refused the UN offer to have their state there.
FAKESTINE and FAKESTINIANS
The man who made a question explained it perfect.
Absolutely agree!!! Same with "occupied territories".
Are you saying they're not occupied?
@@stephendoherty981 That is correct. They are not occupied.
@fredbohm4728 "Israel's" Supreme Court has itself ruled that the West Bank is indeed:
_"[...] held by the State of Israel in belligerent occupation. The long arm of the state in the area is the military commander"_
@@fredbohm4728 What ov4876 said!!
@@stephendoherty981 In a historical trial carefully “forgotten” by the media, the 3rd Chamber of the Court of Appeal of Versailles declares that Israel is the legal occupant of the West Bank. First and foremost, the Versailles Court of Appeals had to determine the legal rights of Palestinians and Israelis in West Bank. Their conclusion: Palestinians have no right - in the international legal sense - to the region, unlike Israel, who is legitimately entitled to occupy all land beyond the 67 line.
Even Yasir Arafat, the late leader of the PLO, was born in Egypt.
And when the offer of their own state was given to him, he refused. They always do. There are no Palestinians. They're just Arabs, conquerors and occupiers.
So True. Thanks for this focusing 🎗️💙🇮🇱🕊️
God Bless Israel. God Bless Douglas Murray and Jordan Peterson for informing us with the truth!!❤️🇮🇱🇨🇦
This is exactly what I have been saying and doing for a long time. I call them Arabs from Gaza, Arabs from Judea and Samaria, etc
Totally agree as always with Mr Murray. A light amongst the nations
I agree with the man in the audience. I always refer to the people as Arabs of the region.
1970 Quote from Zuheir Mohsen, "Palestinian" LEADER:
The Palestinian people do not exist. There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are part of one people, the Arab nation. Lo and behold, I have relatives with Palestinian, Lebanese, Jordanian and Syrian citizenship. We are one people. It is only for political reasons that we carefully endorse our Palestinian identity. Indeed, it is of national interest for the Arabs to encourage the existence of the Palestinians in the face of Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity is only for tactical reasons. The establishment of a Palestinian state is a new means to continue the struggle against Israel and for Arab unity.
Maybe if WE start calling the people in Gaza “Arabs” every time we refer to them, people will start getting the message. If they ask us why we call them that we can use that opportunity to tell them the real truth.
Another really cool name someone once wrote and I sometimes use (depending on how angry I'm feeling), is Fakestinians.
Heh heh heh ! That's me. How are you Malti. ?
I started revealing this Fake Identity from 2003.
Now it's taken momentum.
Murray speaks with great mental and verbal clarity, as usual.
Je hebt gelijk Israël is Israël 🙋
Israel is Poland.
@@stephendoherty981 Zuheir Mohsen (1936 - 25 July 1979) was a Palestinian leader of the Syria-controlled as-Sa'iqa faction of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) between 1971 and 1979.
"The Palestinian people do not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva, and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan."
@@stephendoherty981 As Hamas Minister of the Interior and of National Security Fathi Hammad speaking on Al-Hekma TV said in March 2012: “Brothers, half of the Palestinians are Egyptians and the other half are Saudis. Who are the Palestinians? We have many families called Al-Masri, whose roots are Egyptian. Egyptian! They may be from Alexandria, from Cairo, from Dumietta, from the North, from Aswan, from Upper Egypt. We are Egyptians…”
Palestina refers to Israeli land.
palestina is palestina mate
@@mm2ghxsty Palestina, first mention by Moses in Genesis, referring to Israel and their covenant land.
@@user-hf7ue4if4pif it was referring to israel, why didn’t it say israel? oh wait,because it wasn’t even found then
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Palestina, first mentioned by Moses in Genesis, referring to the covenant people and the covenant land. Research yourself.
@@user-hf7ue4if4p Paletesa is mentioned to in Genesis, chapters 20-21 and 26. a land occupied by the Philistines. Abraham sojourned the before he promised to inherit the land.
Hear hear! I’ve been calling the people of Gaza, Gazans for a number of years now!
I don't use "palestinian", I say "Arabs of the former British mandate of palestine" = "AFMOP's". If they were actually serious about a state then perhaps I'd use it but we all know they're not, they just want to destroy the Jewish one.
Rubbish comment. It's Israel that's frustrating the establishment of two-states. They want a greater Israel. Always have.
I've been saying this all along. I call them people who live in gaza
Right on. Correct.
I have been posting this for years, glad it is catching on.
There is no state called Palestine and there is no ethnicity called Palestinian.
Always say, Gaza or Gazans as well as those in Judea and Samaria as Arabs
This has been made clear by the "Son of Palestine"
trans jordan was the arab 'palestine' state
All those who profess to be falestines can move to Jordan which is already a falestines state. There is no historical evudence if any falestines....Its Jordan Samaria n Israel belongs to Israel..
100% agree!
I stopped using The P-Word for that very reason. I refer to them as Arabs, Arabs in Gaza or Arabs in the West Bank. Why are they called Arabs, because they originated in Arabia, just like Black Americans want to be called African Americans, even though they haven’t lived in Africa for several centuries.
Absolutely. Also stop calling their cities " refugee camps"!!
Why? They're refugees because Israelis displaced them from their lands in 1948.
RUclips blocks comments that use "Arab" instead of "Palestinian" when criticizing their actions.🤦
Call them Egyptians, Judeans and Saudis then.
Douglas Murray is brilliant. Your resume at the end is very brilliant.
Yasser Arafat the “Palestinian” leader was an Egyptian Arab.
Before him there was no Palestinian leader.
Thank you Douglas it’s time that world including the disunited nations were compelled to admit that.
It’s time the BBC were compelled to admit that and compelled to admit that Hamas is terrorist
And the summary at the end is totally correct
Perfect explanation .m have to start the whole process with the Joirney of Abraham to Cannan, the story of Moses and the exodus and finally the land of the Jews. In Israel.
Jews arrived within the New Testament , yet those that religiously follow the babylonian Talmud DENY christ and take upon themselves this name. Only one so twissted in mind has the ability to ignore reality so much that they actually believe the red sea split into two so moses could pass.
Jacob's name was changed by G_d before the Exodus. Genesis 32:28
There is NO palestine in my mind or on maps
So so so true. Keep telling the truth!
Thank you - Ollie ❤
I agree. It’s a fallacy
It's Hamastine and Hamastinians.
I agree😅
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Very be good point and from now on i will refer the "Palestinians" as the Arabs of Gaza and as the Arabs of Westbank.
I so agree. They're Israeli-Arabs everyday.
Wrong wrong wrong, palistine Texas, palistine Illinois 😅
Finally! I have been saying this forever. No Palestine and certainly no "Palestinians"!
Eloquently said, "I concur ❤
We need to stop referring to that Colonialist term.
I get sick to see Palestinian flag.