When the Switch port was announced, they advertized it as Atlus X FE instead of the original SMT x FE. SMT really became an afterthought in its own crossover.
@@Vanity0666The SMT reference is only found in the western name. In Japan TMS is known as "Genei Ibunroku #FE" meaning "Illusory sidestory #FE". It's the same naming convention they used for the original Persona on PS1 (Megami Ibunroku: Persona or "Goddess sidestory: Persona")
Something I really liked about this game that I wish would at least seep over to Persona is that the Mirages are actual sentient entities capable of talking with their Masters, even outside of the Dark Hour I mean Midnight Channel I mean Metaverse I mean Bizarro World.
I mean, in persona 2 characters would reference that their personas would try to warn them about danger. Like they'd say something kinda like: "My persona seems to have a bad feeling about this.... there's danger around."
I actually like TMS, weird as it is. The feel of the game isn't half bad, with some intertext of SMT and FE thrown in here & there. It's got great songs, nice combat and excellent self-aware humour. "Just because you got rejected from a job, that doesn't mean you got to destroy the whole world" is peak comedy
Oh yeah if you can accept the game for it's silliness and what it has to offer it's a good game. I still don't recommend this game at $60 full price though.
Wii U version is going for 20 bucks on Amazon but the Switch version is going for more than launch price. Nintendo RARELY puts thier games on sale so your best hope is to use the Nintendo Switch Online voucher.
I think the most interesting thing about TMS, well besides the fact a post apocalypse caused the inhabitants of Arcanea to turn into emotion/soul-eating demons, was the fact it happens after the bad ending of Mystery of the Emblem.
I remember liking Tokyo Mirage Sessions from the little I played of it, but the more I reflect on this game, the more I tilt my head on what it was trying to do. My only guess to why the finished project came out like it did was either Company not feeling synergy with the other, so this was a compromise, but like… why idols??
I think the original was a case of "wrong place, wrong time". Wrong time because nowadays hololive has given a more appealing idea of idol culture to the masses and several of their talents openly admit to being fans of the series. Also because it came out as we were focused on the Fates cast. Wrong place because Fire Emblem isn't exactly known for musicals (even less so in the west that didn't get the JP commercials) as opposed to something more niche like the Marl Kingdom series.
From what I've read Nintendo also kind of screwed over expectations for the project by jumping the gun and releasing that SMT X FE trailer before the game's concept had even been properly ironed out. Had they waited to announce the whole collaboration with actual footage I think people would have been more willing to give it a shot instead of writing it off as not being what they were "promised."
A few things with this game. All Switch versions are censored, including the Japanese one, the only one not censored is the Japanese WiiU version (which led to the WiiU version TMS getting a huge spike in sale in the JP eShop when discovered, which was kinda funny). A feature added in the Switch version was the ability to get through battles faster, in the WiiU version, you HAD to watch all of the animations play out ever single time (making nearly every attack take over a minute if you're playing the game effectively). You actually don't have to defeat Yashiro when fighting Excellus (didn't even know you could do that, since Yashiro full healed himself and the boss the one time I attacked it; didn't even figure out what to do with the last part of the fight and just threw Empty Wave at him, use Magic Mirrors (which you can buy for somewhat cheap), and just have the boss defeat itself).
I remember being REALLY excited about this game back when it came out on Wii U! It’s not my favorite game in the world, wouldn’t say it’s a great game either, but looking back, this was actually my first introduction to SMT to an extent, and I look back rather fondly on this game for it! I do wish there was a bit more variety in the character selection though, the FE Warriors games had the same issue.
I actually like the game. The story isn't spectacular, but if you take it as it is the gameplay is really fun and addictive. And the side stories are really fun! It is fun to note that the game takes place after one of FEs bad endings. I've put over a hundred hours into the switch version just cause I wanted to try and figure out the longest session possible.
For what it was worth, its a solid experience and perhaps more like a decent introduction to the combat style of SMT. I actually enjoyed the themes of the Japanese entertainment industy and how it really causes people to lose their sense of humanity, all due to chasing fame and fortune. I judge it on its own merit and i feel like its a solid merged entry. I think when the crossover project came together, it was very hard for them to come to a concept without drastically losing one or the other. In one concept, Madeus was supposed to have absorbed the Knowledge of a god, and slowly merged Tokyo with Archanea, essentially bringing The Hero and Aleph into this newly merged world. At least that was rhe rumor before it turned out it was hard to execute.
It def feels like Persona 4 x Fire Emblem. Since P4 had an idol. It’s funny cuz even tho P4D’s story (all about idols) was just ok, they managed to make an almost worse story w/ this one. And that game was a dancing game where story was mostly unnecessary.
@@Kougaon even the UI reminds me of P4. Considering how much they milked P4, you’d think that saying that would feel way more accurate and would bring in the right audience. I remember not even having played persona or knowing anything about SMT when the game was announced and even I knew the tone was off
I'm going to be honest. I know that there are a couple of games that beat this one on the Wii u but God was this one of the few good ones. I would put Xenoblade Chronicles x above it though
@@gayjebus4079 xenoblade X is personally the only one i would put above this. But i really enjoyed my time with this game. I truly think a lot of the "problems" stem from people having false expectations.
@@korinomeku5957 I 100% agree. I think that if this was just released as its own game it would lose some of its charm but part of the issue for the game was people's expectations. Also I love the fact that the final two dungeons cannot escape atlas's love of block puzzles.
I am thankfully for the switch port for having many quality of life updates. I honestly would lose my mind at some of the stuff I heard from the Wii U version.
Fire emblem collabs: codename steam. Tokyo mirage sessions. Warriors. Project x zone 2. Smash. I think monster hunter too. Wish the amiboo had more functions like codename steam and fire emblem fates giving you the characters to play with. It's awesome and makes amiboo a good purchase knowing they get many uses in the future for free. Didn't find Fe warriors that good. Compared to other warriors games it was bland. But I did love the supports we got from tharja and robin Camila and all the other people. It was cool to see how they interact
I really wanted to like this game and I did enjoy a good deal of my time with it, but it’s just immensely average. Every plus has a con attached. Allow me to go into detail. Music: the J-Pop is really good, with The Labyrinth being one of my favorite tracks. The dungeon themes however are irritating by and large, which isn’t something you want to hear when you spent a great deal of time in them. Gameplay: The way characters learn new skills from weapons is a fun bit of customization and growth, so you’re not grinding excessively for levels or skills. However, the way Sessions work in this game means that your reward for an optimal team is longer battles. The switch port does have a fast forward button, but that’s really more of a bandaid than a cure. Story: There’s no getting around it. The main plot just isn’t interesting. It really burns because there was one very easy change they could have made: have Tsubasa fail in chapter one, and make saving Aya a recurring thread; gives Tsubasa a more compelling motivation, and adds stakes to these miniature episodes. Itsuki’s blandness is well documented. To my knowledge the only personality quirk he has is becoming an incredibly verbose food critic. I think a lot of his problems stem from the fact that he isn’t allowed to have a hobby; he doesn’t watch a lot of TV for the express purpose of having other characters exposit to him about their projects. Take FFX in contrast, Tidus is an audience surrogate in that he doesn’t know how Spira works, but he’s also a fully fledged character who develops over time. If they’d given Itsuki something, anything, to have a little bit more agency to him, he could have been a compelling addition to an already good cast. For all my gripes though, the cast is genuinely fun, and the side missions are a perfect bit of side content. If I were to improve on it, I would probably want to add two-person stories where we see more individual dynamics. The bottom line is, try it for yourself if your truly interested, spend a good fourty hours or so, but not at 60 dollars, and not if you know you’ll enjoy other games more.
I liked seeing something new. The concept is wild and was interesting to me. But then Nintendo goes and censor it all, because blood = good, cute = BAD garbage colonialism- I mean, """localization"""". Being on the WiiU didn't help. Yes this game should have been announced as an SMT spinoff but that's it's only mistake.
No offense to the haters but this game was amazing. They just marketed wrong. It is more Fire Emblem than Shin Megami when it comes to characters and stories only the gameplay being rpg is like smt. People expected a dark game but anybody who enjoys something like Persona would have liked this. Smt fans are toxic anyways and they deserve the garbage games they get like smt5 which have 0 story and is only famous for it's darksouls level of difficulty which very few people enjoy torturing themselves playing that way!
I still remember being hyped for the collab from the teaser then being sooo confused when the game released lol. I was expecting a project X zone since they showed all those characters. It would’ve been really interesting seeing them interact. Also, I wanted to ask, does itsuki seem like too much of a blank slate in this game? When I was watching a playthough it felt like he didn’t have any hobbies or aspirations. Like he just sits in a room and stares at a wall until the plot calls for him again lol.
Its funny because game like atlus' upcoming game metaphor is what is what mybrain was envisioning when i first heard of a project cross over between fmt and fire emblem.
As a fan of both franchises to say i was dumbfounded when i saw that first trailer is an understatment, the fact that it was heavily censored was found out before they released the game in the states, and the switch port is the censored us version in ALL REGIONS nintendo didnt tell anybody that part, i swear its almost like they wanted it to fail lol
It's really interesting how many lengths the went to censor many things. Even the first trailer release had to undergo many changes since the final game.
I have so many questions. One of them is why do people so mad about the censorship for visuals. I really enjoy not seeing scantily cloud women in my video games mostly because I'm gay and just not interested. Also, I'm even more okay with not seeing skin to decline when one of them is 17 precensorship.
Because people don't enjoy cut content. If you're actually defending the censorship of that wedding dress then there is something wrong with you. Also, who cares? She's a video game changer, not a real person. It's sjws like you games are continuing to be censored because you bootlick the companies for doing because something you personally don't like got censored.
Because people don't like cut content in their games. If you're defending the censorship of that wedding dress then there is something wrong with you. And who cares? That girl who's censorship you're defending is not real, she's a video game character. As in she doesn't exist.
as a FE fan, i tried to give tokyo a chance, i probably got 70% into the game until i gave up, the characters were kinda dull and boring and it was going nowhere honestly in terms of story
I actually really loved this game. It absolutely has flaws and rough edges--dungeons in particular feel extremely tedious and even somewhat archaic in their use of "puzzles" and gimmicks--but the lighthearted idol-story and bright, snappy colors were an extremely refreshing change of pace. The music was a banger, the characters were very likable even if they weren't revolutionary, and the carnage system was really sweet. It's not a 10/10 game by any means, but I do think it receives an undue amount of criticism. I guess I'm one of the few people who enjoys both FE and SMT and also liked this game. I did feel like the battle system is where the most homage was paid to SMT--even if Sessions weren't exactly the same as press-turn mechanics, they were obviously inspired by them, and I'll even say I had a lot more fun with Sessions than press-turn mechanics even if the latter are technically more refined. Basically, I think TMS made for a great comfort-food kind of game. It wasn't amazing, but if you could check your expectations at the door and enjoy it for what it was, I think it had a lot of really fun ideas on offer. I also really do think my only major gripe with the game was in its dungeon design--I'd be lying if I said their nonsense bs didn't sometimes almost put me off from the game and make me want to quit playing. The manakin dungeon in particular can go straight to hell for how obnoxious and dull it was. Lastly, it might be worth mentioning that I played on hard (glad Lunatic wasn't available right away). The game definitely had teeth and wasn't a pushover, although sometimes certain battles felt extremely unfair/unbalanced on that difficulty. For that reason, even if the normal difficulty is a bit too easy, I'd still recommend it over Hard. Or, it might be one of those games where it's worth changing difficulty as you go based on your frustration-level. I definitely enjoyed the Hard difficulty most of the time, but I think I would have enjoyed the game more if I had dropped it down to normal for certain, specific boss battles.
The game had potential, and marketing as a crossover with persona instead of SMT as a whole would have helped it 100% more. Hope it doesn't become a totally dead IP and we get a second game somedya (copium)
Well one good thing for me came from it. I got this as a gift for Christmas, and I'd never played a Persona game before. I did play Fire Emblem (just some newer games), so that helped peek my interest. The story is nothing to write home about, but I liked the fight style enough. I've played many rpgs and turn-based games before, but not specifically this style. It's what pushed me to finally try Persona 5 Royal, because I figured I might like the fight system in that as well. Not to mention, I did hear much better things about the stories and characters of the Persona games. Not sure if I'd recommend Tokyo Mirage Sessions as a starter pack to get one interested in the Persona or Shin Megami Tensei games. Probably just better to recommend one of the real deals outright. Only thing I'd say TMS has over them is it's less complicated of a game. Can't mess up too bad in TMS other than dying on a boss fight due to being under-leveled or not catching onto the boss's weakness in time. But everything worked out for me at least.
Yeah like who would even dare criticize the mediocre weeb game with idols where the fans openly got mad about just because nintendo decided it should have less cleveage
I 100% understand cringing at this game, but at the same time it's a fun romp of an adventure where the entire point of it is essentially just the power of friendship and being an anime star. If you take this game for what it is, it is a very enjoyable experience. If the power friendship makes you want to go kill something, don't play the game because that is the plot. Like every modern fire of them game. A very big part of it is going to be the power of friendship
Despite most people being disappointed for it being an SMTxFE crossover, I actually loved it a lot. Ended up getting a copy of the special edition a while back when the Wii U was still relevant and also got the switch version
i loved this game when it came out on the wii u and i played through it all again when it came out on the switch, one of my favorite ips for sure, and funnily enough, even though i went in as a fan of neither FE or SMT/Persona, i ended up playing more of those games because of this one LOL
ah yes, the game that was supposed to be a crossover between SMT and FE, but instead took the lamest of persona and a bunch of fanservice. and then censored the fanservice. I'm glad this game got destroyed, I don't want to see something as misguided as this ever again -_-
It’s got its fans. There’s a good idea in there, they really should’ve taken cues from P4D. Both talk about the idol industry, and the game is so reminiscent of P4. They should’ve leaned more into that in production and even marketed it with Persona over SMT. The mirage powers are like personas too. And rather than having characters look like or just reference FE, they should’ve maybe tried to treat it like an FE AU. An FE AU in the modern era. The personas could’ve been the same, tapping into the old medieval side, but the cast could meet this universe’s Tiki for example
Having 100% this game, all I can remember is the boss theme kinda slaps, and the grind, combined with the map design, brought my blood to a boil just shy of Soul Hackers 2.
I actually bought and completed the Switch version, but aside from some basic visuals and parts of one song I genuinely can not remember a single other thing about that game. I'm sure it must play okay, otherwise I would have dropped it, but to leave absolutely no impression whatsoever? That's kind of an achievement in and of itself.
This game having to be SMT x FE murdered it from two fronts. I loved what this game was trying to be, and more probably would have enjoyed it if it was its own thing from the start. I also have trashy taste, so I could be horribly biased towards the idol culture aspect of the Archanean Persona Idol Game.
The censorship is funny, but it isn't enough to make the game fail. It's not like the game was really gory or sexual and had any meaningful content removed. The game might've done better if it advertised itself as persona, but it did come out in 2015. Back then, SMT still had a lot more total sales than the Persona series. It wasn't until P5 released that Persona became a behemoth in its own right. The main point of failure seems to be a lack of identity. Fire Emblem is a medievel tactical fighter where you need to protect your heroes from being killed, Shin Megami Tensei is a post apocalyptic cyber demon summoner series (and even that series was struggling), Persona reimagines SMT's Demon Summon mechanic as a Stand summoning game which also acts as a high school social simulator. TMS#FE fails to be ANY of these things. It looks at best like a Persona spinoff game, but those are carried hard by using pre-existing characters. This game doesn't do that.
literally and I mean LITERALLY all they had to do was take the opening of FE Awakening and change time travel for demons then literally just copy paste the gameplay of Devil Survivor, make it HD and Misson accomplished, you have million seller on your hands but no, somehow and I really mean somehow you end up with an idol game and somehow your game flops TWICE yet you still have a job and the first thing you do is make Soulless Lackers 2 where you SOMEHOW manage to make another game that alienates two fanbases and appeals to literally no one Damn
I bought this one for Switch. I liked it msyelf. But yeah it is a Persona/Fire Emblem spin off more. Plus yeah it is silly but come one, it is silly fun!
I'm ngl I went into this game not expecting much as FE Engage kind of soured FE for me personally, but ngl I really enjoyed Tokyo Mirage sessions I just wish there was a dash button lol
This game really feels like they were trying to create the next kingdom hearts; but failed to capture what people liked about the original two series and draw in the planned established fanbases. I mean it seems like a decent enough RPG with an interesting twist; but it still absolutely fails as a SMT x FE crossover with the mostly shallow inspiration and references to each.
biggest middle finger to fire emblem fans. here, have generic gameplay and the worst anime tropes and NOTHING of fire emblem other than names and a song, what a great celebration. not.
finished this game a few yrs ago on switch. solid 7/10 rpg. improving equipment && fe upgrades were a lot of fun. wish we did get something more grounded in both series.
I thought it was a neat idea that I was willing to try on switch. Then they censored it and I lost interest. Maybe I'd get it for a large price drop but despite how crap the game sold it never goes on sale.
Tokyo Mirage Sessions is a great game to me that basically feels like it could be the prototype for a Persona 1/2 remake. I love the gameplay, the dungeon explorations, the added-on social events between each chapter of the game, the use of all available characters in the game itself via the Sessions mechanic, and also THE MUSIC IS BANGERRRRR.
I think it was a miss fire, they collaborated with the wrong Megami Tensei series. Mainline and most Spind off SMT games have quite serious themes of freedom vs safety, destiny vs. self-actualization, and a lot more heavy stuff. An FE and SMT still could work, but they added an idol theme to the mix?! It was out of left field! It blindsided the two fandoms, turning off many fans. If Fe Mirage Sessions was a Persona colab then the idol-theming wouldn't be that much of a turn-off. While Persona still deals with heavy themes and subjects, it's lighter compared to mainline, especially later entries. At the time P4 was the main Persona game, so the Idol theming wouldn't be that out of place thanks to Rise and Dancing all night.
Not my guy coming out the gate with "SMT stories are better than FE stories" like I'm sorry but as a fan of both multi-decade spanning franchises, that is a massive oversimplification and generalization.
Oh man, if the elitists don't like the Persona newbies, wait till they hear that this game was my SMT introduction. Also, does anyone else remember that very early announcement trailer with an M rating?
Sorry but I don't believe that Tokyo Mirage was a bad game or collaboration. I thought it was fun and REALLY good. It was fun to play and listen to the music, I though it was a pretty good game. Especially since I'm not that into Fire Emblem, not that I don't like it, but I'm not playing EVERY single game. Just here and there.
I actually remember a lot of the fe fans i know of loving this game but i didnt know any smt fans so i couldnt say what they thought of it. At the time i didnt know smt or anything atlus for that matter aside morgama from persona 5 so i just saw it as another fire emblem game.
This game has been the most influential game on Atlus' design ethos since its inception; SMT 5 _literally_ ripping the game's menu is only the tip of the iceberg. Despite the game being as generic as it is, you gotta admit... 100% of Atlus games take ideas from it.
I played it solely _because_ I heard that it's bad. It actually wasn't, and I liked the battle system. Dungeons are kind of trash, though. Didn't mind the idol stuff - I knew what I was signing up for.
while its definitely not the best game, and it absolutely has its flaws (the crossover elements are... missable, i guess you could say.) i do enjoy the game for what it is and i appreciate that they even made it. they definitely couldve done a better job implementing the strategy parts of fire emblem instead of just adding in characters, and they probably couldve said it was a crossover between fire emblem and persona, but instead its more of its own thing, and i had a good time playing it at least.
With all the in combat banter they do, I really wish they would've at least added subtitles for those somewhere. But I guess the UI is full enough as it is, and adding in some subtitles there wasn't even a consideration from the Japanese branch of development.
TMS wasn't a bad game. I feel like it would have done better if they'd forgotten the whole crossover thing and just marketed it as it's own offshoot of Shin Megami Tensei. The Fire Emblem influence on it was minimal at best. Just a few character references here and there and that was about it.
When we tried to fuse FE and SMT, there was a fusion accident and this popped out instead.
💀💀
And it was an peak demon of a game
It pooped
We shoulda just been happy with devil survivor
@@Quatro921 best serious change my mind
For what it is, TMS is fine. But so many of us wished it was quite different.
I don't care if TMS actually ended up being good on it's own I can't play it without feeling eternally robbed of what could have been.
When the Switch port was announced, they advertized it as Atlus X FE instead of the original SMT x FE. SMT really became an afterthought in its own crossover.
Pretty much yeah. You can DEFINITELY see it in the game itself.
embarrassed to say persona, i see you atlus
The game's title is literally TMS I don't know what you're talking about
@@Vanity0666The SMT reference is only found in the western name. In Japan TMS is known as "Genei Ibunroku #FE" meaning "Illusory sidestory #FE". It's the same naming convention they used for the original Persona on PS1 (Megami Ibunroku: Persona or "Goddess sidestory: Persona")
Should've been Persona x Fire Emble.
Persona fans would've love this.
Something I really liked about this game that I wish would at least seep over to Persona is that the Mirages are actual sentient entities capable of talking with their Masters, even outside of the Dark Hour I mean Midnight Channel I mean Metaverse I mean Bizarro World.
I mean, in persona 2 characters would reference that their personas would try to warn them about danger. Like they'd say something kinda like: "My persona seems to have a bad feeling about this.... there's danger around."
...That's just every Shin Megami Tensei game. In those, the demons have personalities, especially in V.
@@HollowGolem even in P1 and P2 demons have personalities.
Fun fact: This game exists because Pokemon Conquest (another banger) was already in development, so instead of FE x Pokemon they chose SMT instead.
Really? Pokemon Conquest was really good. Still waiting for a cheap copy to found (they go around € 200,00! atm)
I actually like TMS, weird as it is. The feel of the game isn't half bad, with some intertext of SMT and FE thrown in here & there.
It's got great songs, nice combat and excellent self-aware humour. "Just because you got rejected from a job, that doesn't mean you got to destroy the whole world" is peak comedy
Oh yeah if you can accept the game for it's silliness and what it has to offer it's a good game. I still don't recommend this game at $60 full price though.
gasp, I'm not alone
Yeah I really enjoyed the game too.
Wish Tokyo mirage sessions would get a discount. I'm not paying full price for it.
Wii U version is going for 20 bucks on Amazon but the Switch version is going for more than launch price. Nintendo RARELY puts thier games on sale so your best hope is to use the Nintendo Switch Online voucher.
Still to this day at $60 because it’s a Nintendo game. Good luck paying even more via resellers online.
Just buy a pre owned copy
@ivanbluecool, have you considered buying used physical copies? They can get a good discount.
I think the most interesting thing about TMS, well besides the fact a post apocalypse caused the inhabitants of Arcanea to turn into emotion/soul-eating demons, was the fact it happens after the bad ending of Mystery of the Emblem.
Tokyo Mirage Session fucking slaps, not even joking.
The music is a banger
Yessir, 8 out of 10 for me
Literally just began playing and it's really fun!
Shame they made so many mistakes that drove away potential customers.
If it were a stand alone game I'm sure it'd be a cult classic by now
I remember liking Tokyo Mirage Sessions from the little I played of it, but the more I reflect on this game, the more I tilt my head on what it was trying to do. My only guess to why the finished project came out like it did was either Company not feeling synergy with the other, so this was a compromise, but like… why idols??
I think the original was a case of "wrong place, wrong time".
Wrong time because nowadays hololive has given a more appealing idea of idol culture to the masses and several of their talents openly admit to being fans of the series. Also because it came out as we were focused on the Fates cast.
Wrong place because Fire Emblem isn't exactly known for musicals (even less so in the west that didn't get the JP commercials) as opposed to something more niche like the Marl Kingdom series.
Good, the last thing smt needs are simps and their gross cults of personality.
Not to mention 2015 was Nintendo’s worst year of the 2010s decade too
From what I've read Nintendo also kind of screwed over expectations for the project by jumping the gun and releasing that SMT X FE trailer before the game's concept had even been properly ironed out. Had they waited to announce the whole collaboration with actual footage I think people would have been more willing to give it a shot instead of writing it off as not being what they were "promised."
this is like the mario and sonic crossover where they went to the olympics
tms is a good game but it was false advertising . we expected medieval fantasy devil survivor
I get what people mean when they say that, but the final product wasn't false advertising because it became a new IP and was no longer SMT x FE.
@@renotv3860 That drove away people who might have played this game though.
A few things with this game.
All Switch versions are censored, including the Japanese one, the only one not censored is the Japanese WiiU version (which led to the WiiU version TMS getting a huge spike in sale in the JP eShop when discovered, which was kinda funny).
A feature added in the Switch version was the ability to get through battles faster, in the WiiU version, you HAD to watch all of the animations play out ever single time (making nearly every attack take over a minute if you're playing the game effectively).
You actually don't have to defeat Yashiro when fighting Excellus (didn't even know you could do that, since Yashiro full healed himself and the boss the one time I attacked it; didn't even figure out what to do with the last part of the fight and just threw Empty Wave at him, use Magic Mirrors (which you can buy for somewhat cheap), and just have the boss defeat itself).
We were robbed. We could’ve had Ashera, Goddess of Order, fist fighting Lucifer! And instead we got the ‘Idolosphere’
I remember being REALLY excited about this game back when it came out on Wii U!
It’s not my favorite game in the world, wouldn’t say it’s a great game either, but looking back, this was actually my first introduction to SMT to an extent, and I look back rather fondly on this game for it! I do wish there was a bit more variety in the character selection though, the FE Warriors games had the same issue.
I actually like the game. The story isn't spectacular, but if you take it as it is the gameplay is really fun and addictive. And the side stories are really fun! It is fun to note that the game takes place after one of FEs bad endings. I've put over a hundred hours into the switch version just cause I wanted to try and figure out the longest session possible.
For what it was worth, its a solid experience and perhaps more like a decent introduction to the combat style of SMT. I actually enjoyed the themes of the Japanese entertainment industy and how it really causes people to lose their sense of humanity, all due to chasing fame and fortune.
I judge it on its own merit and i feel like its a solid merged entry. I think when the crossover project came together, it was very hard for them to come to a concept without drastically losing one or the other. In one concept, Madeus was supposed to have absorbed the Knowledge of a god, and slowly merged Tokyo with Archanea, essentially bringing The Hero and Aleph into this newly merged world.
At least that was rhe rumor before it turned out it was hard to execute.
It def feels like Persona 4 x Fire Emblem. Since P4 had an idol.
It’s funny cuz even tho P4D’s story (all about idols) was just ok, they managed to make an almost worse story w/ this one. And that game was a dancing game where story was mostly unnecessary.
They really should've just said Persona x Fire emblem :(
@@Kougaon even the UI reminds me of P4. Considering how much they milked P4, you’d think that saying that would feel way more accurate and would bring in the right audience.
I remember not even having played persona or knowing anything about SMT when the game was announced and even I knew the tone was off
Thank you tier 3 spell from hit game persona 5, kougaon himself
I played TMS#FE on the Wii U and it was one of my favorite Wii U games ngl
I'm going to be honest. I know that there are a couple of games that beat this one on the Wii u but God was this one of the few good ones. I would put Xenoblade Chronicles x above it though
@@gayjebus4079 xenoblade X is personally the only one i would put above this. But i really enjoyed my time with this game. I truly think a lot of the "problems" stem from people having false expectations.
@@korinomeku5957 I 100% agree. I think that if this was just released as its own game it would lose some of its charm but part of the issue for the game was people's expectations. Also I love the fact that the final two dungeons cannot escape atlas's love of block puzzles.
I am thankfully for the switch port for having many quality of life updates. I honestly would lose my mind at some of the stuff I heard from the Wii U version.
@@Kougaon100% completed it on Wii U some months ago. What did it change
I recently bought the game, IT'S FREAKING AWESOME!
😭 I always see people say this game is horrible but I gen really liked it and would 100% play again on my switch
One playthrough is enough for me LOL but yeah the game wasn't that bad
Fire emblem collabs: codename steam. Tokyo mirage sessions. Warriors. Project x zone 2. Smash. I think monster hunter too.
Wish the amiboo had more functions like codename steam and fire emblem fates giving you the characters to play with. It's awesome and makes amiboo a good purchase knowing they get many uses in the future for free.
Didn't find Fe warriors that good. Compared to other warriors games it was bland. But I did love the supports we got from tharja and robin Camila and all the other people. It was cool to see how they interact
I really wanted to like this game and I did enjoy a good deal of my time with it, but it’s just immensely average. Every plus has a con attached. Allow me to go into detail.
Music: the J-Pop is really good, with The Labyrinth being one of my favorite tracks. The dungeon themes however are irritating by and large, which isn’t something you want to hear when you spent a great deal of time in them.
Gameplay: The way characters learn new skills from weapons is a fun bit of customization and growth, so you’re not grinding excessively for levels or skills. However, the way Sessions work in this game means that your reward for an optimal team is longer battles. The switch port does have a fast forward button, but that’s really more of a bandaid than a cure.
Story: There’s no getting around it. The main plot just isn’t interesting. It really burns because there was one very easy change they could have made: have Tsubasa fail in chapter one, and make saving Aya a recurring thread; gives Tsubasa a more compelling motivation, and adds stakes to these miniature episodes. Itsuki’s blandness is well documented. To my knowledge the only personality quirk he has is becoming an incredibly verbose food critic. I think a lot of his problems stem from the fact that he isn’t allowed to have a hobby; he doesn’t watch a lot of TV for the express purpose of having other characters exposit to him about their projects. Take FFX in contrast, Tidus is an audience surrogate in that he doesn’t know how Spira works, but he’s also a fully fledged character who develops over time. If they’d given Itsuki something, anything, to have a little bit more agency to him, he could have been a compelling addition to an already good cast. For all my gripes though, the cast is genuinely fun, and the side missions are a perfect bit of side content. If I were to improve on it, I would probably want to add two-person stories where we see more individual dynamics.
The bottom line is, try it for yourself if your truly interested, spend a good fourty hours or so, but not at 60 dollars, and not if you know you’ll enjoy other games more.
I liked seeing something new. The concept is wild and was interesting to me. But then Nintendo goes and censor it all, because blood = good, cute = BAD garbage colonialism- I mean, """localization"""".
Being on the WiiU didn't help. Yes this game should have been announced as an SMT spinoff but that's it's only mistake.
No offense to the haters but this game was amazing. They just marketed wrong. It is more Fire Emblem than Shin Megami when it comes to characters and stories only the gameplay being rpg is like smt. People expected a dark game but anybody who enjoys something like Persona would have liked this. Smt fans are toxic anyways and they deserve the garbage games they get like smt5 which have 0 story and is only famous for it's darksouls level of difficulty which very few people enjoy torturing themselves playing that way!
A Villain From Awakening.
A Villain From Awakening.
A Villain From Awakening.
I still remember being hyped for the collab from the teaser then being sooo confused when the game released lol. I was expecting a project X zone since they showed all those characters. It would’ve been really interesting seeing them interact.
Also, I wanted to ask, does itsuki seem like too much of a blank slate in this game? When I was watching a playthough it felt like he didn’t have any hobbies or aspirations. Like he just sits in a room and stares at a wall until the plot calls for him again lol.
Oh yeah Itsuki was 100% a blank slate. He was just a background guy to help everyone else shine better.
Its funny because game like atlus' upcoming game metaphor is what is what mybrain was envisioning when i first heard of a project cross over between fmt and fire emblem.
i played Tokyo Mirage Sessions before any smt and fe games and I ended loving it a lot. And I started to play smt and fe games too
As a fan of both franchises to say i was dumbfounded when i saw that first trailer is an understatment, the fact that it was heavily censored was found out before they released the game in the states, and the switch port is the censored us version in ALL REGIONS nintendo didnt tell anybody that part, i swear its almost like they wanted it to fail lol
It's really interesting how many lengths the went to censor many things. Even the first trailer release had to undergo many changes since the final game.
Intelligent Systems also wanted us to forget about the game existed too
I have so many questions. One of them is why do people so mad about the censorship for visuals. I really enjoy not seeing scantily cloud women in my video games mostly because I'm gay and just not interested. Also, I'm even more okay with not seeing skin to decline when one of them is 17 precensorship.
Yeah the outrage from the censorship was a bit more than I expected at the time.
Because people don't enjoy cut content. If you're actually defending the censorship of that wedding dress then there is something wrong with you. Also, who cares? She's a video game changer, not a real person. It's sjws like you games are continuing to be censored because you bootlick the companies for doing because something you personally don't like got censored.
Because people don't like cut content in their games. If you're defending the censorship of that wedding dress then there is something wrong with you. And who cares? That girl who's censorship you're defending is not real, she's a video game character. As in she doesn't exist.
i love tokyo mirage session is so good and have so good music ( i have the wii u and swtch ver.)
but it was persona x fe
as a FE fan, i tried to give tokyo a chance, i probably got 70% into the game until i gave up, the characters were kinda dull and boring and it was going nowhere honestly in terms of story
I actually really loved this game. It absolutely has flaws and rough edges--dungeons in particular feel extremely tedious and even somewhat archaic in their use of "puzzles" and gimmicks--but the lighthearted idol-story and bright, snappy colors were an extremely refreshing change of pace. The music was a banger, the characters were very likable even if they weren't revolutionary, and the carnage system was really sweet.
It's not a 10/10 game by any means, but I do think it receives an undue amount of criticism. I guess I'm one of the few people who enjoys both FE and SMT and also liked this game. I did feel like the battle system is where the most homage was paid to SMT--even if Sessions weren't exactly the same as press-turn mechanics, they were obviously inspired by them, and I'll even say I had a lot more fun with Sessions than press-turn mechanics even if the latter are technically more refined.
Basically, I think TMS made for a great comfort-food kind of game. It wasn't amazing, but if you could check your expectations at the door and enjoy it for what it was, I think it had a lot of really fun ideas on offer. I also really do think my only major gripe with the game was in its dungeon design--I'd be lying if I said their nonsense bs didn't sometimes almost put me off from the game and make me want to quit playing. The manakin dungeon in particular can go straight to hell for how obnoxious and dull it was.
Lastly, it might be worth mentioning that I played on hard (glad Lunatic wasn't available right away). The game definitely had teeth and wasn't a pushover, although sometimes certain battles felt extremely unfair/unbalanced on that difficulty. For that reason, even if the normal difficulty is a bit too easy, I'd still recommend it over Hard. Or, it might be one of those games where it's worth changing difficulty as you go based on your frustration-level. I definitely enjoyed the Hard difficulty most of the time, but I think I would have enjoyed the game more if I had dropped it down to normal for certain, specific boss battles.
“I will never forgive the Japanese”
-Joseph Joestar
I played it about 3 years back. Definitely enjoyed it. It filled my persona void since I had just beaten persona 3-5 for the first time.
The game had potential, and marketing as a crossover with persona instead of SMT as a whole would have helped it 100% more. Hope it doesn't become a totally dead IP and we get a second game somedya (copium)
From what I've played I enjoyed my time with it, I do want to finish it eventually. Its just kinda chill rpg game to me.
Well one good thing for me came from it. I got this as a gift for Christmas, and I'd never played a Persona game before. I did play Fire Emblem (just some newer games), so that helped peek my interest. The story is nothing to write home about, but I liked the fight style enough. I've played many rpgs and turn-based games before, but not specifically this style.
It's what pushed me to finally try Persona 5 Royal, because I figured I might like the fight system in that as well. Not to mention, I did hear much better things about the stories and characters of the Persona games.
Not sure if I'd recommend Tokyo Mirage Sessions as a starter pack to get one interested in the Persona or Shin Megami Tensei games. Probably just better to recommend one of the real deals outright. Only thing I'd say TMS has over them is it's less complicated of a game. Can't mess up too bad in TMS other than dying on a boss fight due to being under-leveled or not catching onto the boss's weakness in time. But everything worked out for me at least.
I love this game so much that I bought it on both wiiu and switch.
It's silly, of course, but the gameplay is soooo good...
TMS is a great game.
Cool clickbait video title though.
Yeah like who would even dare criticize the mediocre weeb game with idols where the fans openly got mad about just because nintendo decided it should have less cleveage
Is it click bait if it actually reflects the creator's feelings?
I 100% understand cringing at this game, but at the same time it's a fun romp of an adventure where the entire point of it is essentially just the power of friendship and being an anime star. If you take this game for what it is, it is a very enjoyable experience. If the power friendship makes you want to go kill something, don't play the game because that is the plot. Like every modern fire of them game. A very big part of it is going to be the power of friendship
Oh yeah I accept the cringe 100%
Ask a friend how the game was, he said it was Persona Lite😂
I actually quite like this one......lol.
Despite most people being disappointed for it being an SMTxFE crossover, I actually loved it a lot. Ended up getting a copy of the special edition a while back when the Wii U was still relevant and also got the switch version
Really like the review of old game other than FF14 which I don't really play anymore.
Glad to hear!
i loved this game when it came out on the wii u and i played through it all again when it came out on the switch, one of my favorite ips for sure, and funnily enough, even though i went in as a fan of neither FE or SMT/Persona, i ended up playing more of those games because of this one LOL
No one would bat an eye if this isn’t advertised as a SMTxFE, it would be a hidden gem.
ah yes, the game that was supposed to be a crossover between SMT and FE, but instead took the lamest of persona and a bunch of fanservice.
and then censored the fanservice.
I'm glad this game got destroyed, I don't want to see something as misguided as this ever again -_-
It’s got its fans. There’s a good idea in there, they really should’ve taken cues from P4D. Both talk about the idol industry, and the game is so reminiscent of P4. They should’ve leaned more into that in production and even marketed it with Persona over SMT.
The mirage powers are like personas too. And rather than having characters look like or just reference FE, they should’ve maybe tried to treat it like an FE AU. An FE AU in the modern era. The personas could’ve been the same, tapping into the old medieval side, but the cast could meet this universe’s Tiki for example
Having 100% this game, all I can remember is the boss theme kinda slaps, and the grind, combined with the map design, brought my blood to a boil just shy of Soul Hackers 2.
This game needs a sequel
The Persona of Jpop Games
I actually bought and completed the Switch version, but aside from some basic visuals and parts of one song I genuinely can not remember a single other thing about that game. I'm sure it must play okay, otherwise I would have dropped it, but to leave absolutely no impression whatsoever? That's kind of an achievement in and of itself.
This game having to be SMT x FE murdered it from two fronts.
I loved what this game was trying to be, and more probably would have enjoyed it if it was its own thing from the start.
I also have trashy taste, so I could be horribly biased towards the idol culture aspect of the Archanean Persona Idol Game.
The censorship is funny, but it isn't enough to make the game fail. It's not like the game was really gory or sexual and had any meaningful content removed.
The game might've done better if it advertised itself as persona, but it did come out in 2015. Back then, SMT still had a lot more total sales than the Persona series. It wasn't until P5 released that Persona became a behemoth in its own right.
The main point of failure seems to be a lack of identity. Fire Emblem is a medievel tactical fighter where you need to protect your heroes from being killed, Shin Megami Tensei is a post apocalyptic cyber demon summoner series (and even that series was struggling), Persona reimagines SMT's Demon Summon mechanic as a Stand summoning game which also acts as a high school social simulator.
TMS#FE fails to be ANY of these things. It looks at best like a Persona spinoff game, but those are carried hard by using pre-existing characters. This game doesn't do that.
literally and I mean LITERALLY all they had to do was take the opening of FE Awakening and change time travel for demons then literally just copy paste the gameplay of Devil Survivor, make it HD and Misson accomplished, you have million seller on your hands
but no, somehow and I really mean somehow you end up with an idol game and somehow your game flops TWICE yet you still have a job and the first thing you do is make Soulless Lackers 2 where you SOMEHOW manage to make another game that alienates two fanbases and appeals to literally no one
Damn
The middle boss theme of this game fucking slaps tho
I bought this one for Switch. I liked it msyelf. But yeah it is a Persona/Fire Emblem spin off more. Plus yeah it is silly but come one, it is silly fun!
I'm ngl I went into this game not expecting much as FE Engage kind of soured FE for me personally, but ngl I really enjoyed Tokyo Mirage sessions I just wish there was a dash button lol
This game really feels like they were trying to create the next kingdom hearts; but failed to capture what people liked about the original two series and draw in the planned established fanbases.
I mean it seems like a decent enough RPG with an interesting twist; but it still absolutely fails as a SMT x FE crossover with the mostly shallow inspiration and references to each.
biggest middle finger to fire emblem fans. here, have generic gameplay and the worst anime tropes and NOTHING of fire emblem other than names and a song, what a great celebration. not.
It wasn't bad, easy question.
finished this game a few yrs ago on switch. solid 7/10 rpg. improving equipment && fe upgrades were a lot of fun. wish we did get something more grounded in both series.
I feel the exact same way 100%
I thought it was a neat idea that I was willing to try on switch. Then they censored it and I lost interest. Maybe I'd get it for a large price drop but despite how crap the game sold it never goes on sale.
This game is a true masterpiece and deserves so much more credit than it gets. Would buy it a hundred times over with my hard earned dollar.
I don't hate the game.
I hate what the game took from us and replaced with knock off persona. Should have just been it's own damn ip
This game was so trash, I had to force myself to complete it, simply because I spent money on it. 3/10
Love this game. So happy they rereleased it on the switch!
I still have to finish the game (that's on me, I'm bad at finishing games), but I do want to return and finish it.
The more I hear about this game's story the worse I feel for SMT fans. This is truly one more god rejected
These long form videos are great. Hope you keep making more of them.
Oh thanks man I appreciate that!
played it on wii U i loved it and i am saving up for when it goes on sale ln switch, the game is silly but i loved the gameplay
Just emulate it better for $0 because no discounts for the switch version (digital too) at all other than you paying more via resellers
Tokyo Mirage Sessions is a great game to me that basically feels like it could be the prototype for a Persona 1/2 remake. I love the gameplay, the dungeon explorations, the added-on social events between each chapter of the game, the use of all available characters in the game itself via the Sessions mechanic, and also THE MUSIC IS BANGERRRRR.
I think it was a miss fire, they collaborated with the wrong Megami Tensei series. Mainline and most Spind off SMT games have quite serious themes of freedom vs safety, destiny vs. self-actualization, and a lot more heavy stuff. An FE and SMT still could work, but they added an idol theme to the mix?! It was out of left field! It blindsided the two fandoms, turning off many fans. If Fe Mirage Sessions was a Persona colab then the idol-theming wouldn't be that much of a turn-off. While Persona still deals with heavy themes and subjects, it's lighter compared to mainline, especially later entries. At the time P4 was the main Persona game, so the Idol theming wouldn't be that out of place thanks to Rise and Dancing all night.
"They made Tiki Hatsune Miku"
So yeah, better than any other Atlus game
Not my guy coming out the gate with "SMT stories are better than FE stories" like I'm sorry but as a fan of both multi-decade spanning franchises, that is a massive oversimplification and generalization.
Ok that's my opinion so sorry fam
Oh man, if the elitists don't like the Persona newbies, wait till they hear that this game was my SMT introduction. Also, does anyone else remember that very early announcement trailer with an M rating?
Hahaha.....
.... and then they wouldn't even allow us normal everyday cleavage. Awesome marketing. Meets consumer hopes and expectations.
SMTV and they hated that too because the bad storyline
...I like this game though
Game seems good, but the whole anime and idol thing kind of puts me off
4:25
This scares your average Persona fan to the core.
I wish I played more of FE but hey we got 14 😅
FE is a goated series if you ever plan on playing!!
It's a great game
I bought this game on release day on wii u
Sorry but I don't believe that Tokyo Mirage was a bad game or collaboration. I thought it was fun and REALLY good. It was fun to play and listen to the music, I though it was a pretty good game.
Especially since I'm not that into Fire Emblem, not that I don't like it, but I'm not playing EVERY single game. Just here and there.
I agree
I actually remember a lot of the fe fans i know of loving this game but i didnt know any smt fans so i couldnt say what they thought of it. At the time i didnt know smt or anything atlus for that matter aside morgama from persona 5 so i just saw it as another fire emblem game.
fan of both serie here and I love TMS. the theme not the best but man story and gameplay is quite unique and fun
I'm with you
Hi Kougaon
Hello Megadong 🫡
Ok before I watch this video Tokyo mirage sessions was an immensely fun and silly game and I loved every second of it
The game was excellent. I didn't know people had a problem with it. Extremely underrated gem.
This game has been the most influential game on Atlus' design ethos since its inception; SMT 5 _literally_ ripping the game's menu is only the tip of the iceberg. Despite the game being as generic as it is, you gotta admit... 100% of Atlus games take ideas from it.
It was really good
I played it solely _because_ I heard that it's bad. It actually wasn't, and I liked the battle system. Dungeons are kind of trash, though. Didn't mind the idol stuff - I knew what I was signing up for.
while its definitely not the best game, and it absolutely has its flaws (the crossover elements are... missable, i guess you could say.) i do enjoy the game for what it is and i appreciate that they even made it. they definitely couldve done a better job implementing the strategy parts of fire emblem instead of just adding in characters, and they probably couldve said it was a crossover between fire emblem and persona, but instead its more of its own thing, and i had a good time playing it at least.
Man people hated this game but I loved this shit. AND YA KNOW WHAT? IM BOUT TO RE DOWNLOAD IT AND I CANT BE STOPPED
With all the in combat banter they do, I really wish they would've at least added subtitles for those somewhere. But I guess the UI is full enough as it is, and adding in some subtitles there wasn't even a consideration from the Japanese branch of development.
TMS wasn't a bad game. I feel like it would have done better if they'd forgotten the whole crossover thing and just marketed it as it's own offshoot of Shin Megami Tensei.
The Fire Emblem influence on it was minimal at best. Just a few character references here and there and that was about it.
The game is not bad but just wish it was a SMT X FE like it supposed to be.