Psychoacoustic Secrets For Mixing Music: Learn How To Hear What's Really There!
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This is not only helpful for mixing/post-production, but is also extremely helpful for songwriting/pre-production. For example, if either the melody guitar or the rhythm guitar was played one octave higher, the masking effects would likely diminish greatly. Or, if that's not an option for the song, using a different guitar/mic/mic placement to help accentuate higher frequencies on one of the tracks. Great video!
I really appreciate the level of clarity and simplicity you use to approach these kinds of topics. I think was intuitively aware of masking effects but now I have something concrete I can use.
Thanks, Nzyme!
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This video needs to watch a few times. There is so many valuable information that can change your perspective of equalizing. AU never dissappoints with their content
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This was very well demonstrated! Even a "fuck around and find out" type of producer like me understood and I will definitely put this info to use! Thank you
Glad to hear that, Laine! Thank you for watching!
Fantastic channel! I appreciate that you hype up your sources in the videos. Thanks so much organizing and presenting this information!
Great info. I've always noticed in my acoustic band that cutting low mids always made things clearer. Now I understand why better! Thanks!
Such a great video. I’d love to see/hear more examples of how masking works in a mix with multiple instruments e.g guitars/bass/drums.
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very awesome video and yes, what I do in any project I work on at first: EQ with a Lowcut at 30Hz anytime. That mostly avoids rumbling and masking in the audiospectrum.
High quality content! Rare to see here these times. Appreciate it!
Another superbly done video, with clear, concise information. I know as a drummer that my hi-hat often competes with a strummed acoustic guitar (with a stiff pick) in studio recordings. Most of the time we've just left the hi-hat buried because the strumming carries the time quite well on its own. But perhaps this opens up some new sonic doors...
Thanks, Jo, for this excellent example! And thanks for your kind words…
either dynamic eq them or, if you can record them separately with not too much bleed, you might want to pan them away from the strumming guitar
This is amazing! I never thought i'd even begin to understand the science of this kind of thing!
Dang it! This is - hands down! - the _best_ video I have ever seen about masking. I wish I had known this when I produced my first album.
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I had no idea making is that complex. It explains my results though very likely. I will keep this in mind next time.
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its crazy because you recommended the best video i could find on masking and also made one of the best ones ive seen
Thanks for watching, Don!
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Excellent Kyle. Thanks for sharing.
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This topic is new to me and a very important one to learn to apply it to my mixes. Super informative.
Glad it’s helpful, Create66!
Thank you for the "Upward Spread Of Masking"! Very helpful detail for details. 👏
I often check out these videos for quick tips and tricks and for refreshing my knowledge on audio related stuff... Good stuff in a nice short quick format...
Also, I get a huge 'poly bridge' vibe from the guitar track in this video :)
Excellent stuff! There's not as much of this information on RUclips compared to "this is how you mix".
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Thank you!
Maybe the best video on masking I have seen on RUclips
This was a very helpful, excellent video about masking. Thank you
Glad you liked it! Thanks!
A demonstration with such clarity that I feel it must have gone through a demasking process itself... :)
Excellent.
This is a great tool I use on vox recordings when I layer tracks. Nice video!!
Wow. Although I knew about this topic this video is by far the best explanation.
Thanks
Thanks, Peter!
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Super interesting topic. I always remembered this effect by telling myself, that there is only so much energy a signal can transfer and I as a mixer decide which balance I choose. If I decide to keep more of the low end, e.g. for a bass, that energy is not available for the higher frequency spectrum. And as I already learned that lower frequencies carry a lot more energy than higher ones (just look at that impulse a bass monitor has), that explains, why cutting out the lows makes so much more room for the highs and why its better than boosting the highs.
Thanks, Andreas! In addition to the headroom problem, there is also a psychoacoustic problem. So even if the gear perfectly reproduced the audio, we would still perceive masking!
Theres lot of way u can boost shit breaking this law its Just a perception ...the same bass can sound 200000 times different ....idk
Very helpful.
Great video.
Awesome I am learning as I am going
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Thank you!
Utterly wild that the high pass at 100ish hz just opened up all the mid and high frequencies! I've never seen this discussed anywhere else, but it's so simple, crazy that it seems overlooked in the gen pop knowledge of things.
Nice video! Thanks :)
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Thanks for watching!
Thanks Kyle, very helpful for me
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Thata great.. o will study and apply into my studio
Decrease lower frequencies to unmask high frequencies? It's like Lightning McQueen's turn left to go right. Counter intuitive but it works wonders in the right circumstances. Really learnt alot from this channel!
Brilliant
Wonderful explanation
Glad you think so! Thank you, Cleon!
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I do this when I'm playing background music for banquets or other events. People like to have background music and they also like to hear each other without yelling. I've long understood that background music can mask conversations. So I carve out space in the frequencies of the background music for people to talk to each other.
This is an interesting point. I'm curious, which frequencies do you most commonly reduce to avoid masking conversation?
(Based on the information in the video my instinct is to guess lows and mids. Probably between 100 Hz - 2000 Hz. I just know that theory and practice don't always perfectly align and speech has a lot of nuance.)
@@atk05003 That's a good range to drop and you can even narrow it to a top end of 1000. At least that's my experience. If I'm in a new room where I'm doing this, I'll give it a go ahead of time if I can, crank the background music and try to have a conversation with someone. If I can hear them, I'm in the right area. The real test will be the kind of resonance a whole room full of people will have.
Also, some masking of the din is good, but you want people right next to each other to hear each other. So you don't want to cut too much. So when the group gets in and I have the chance to talk to someone, I can hear how much of the din is being masked and how well I can still have a conversation. So I might make further adjustments after the event starts.
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My biggest tip for masking (I make electronic dance music) is get a plug-in called trackspacer. I use it mid side mode on every buss excluding my drum buss and route the vocal into, it dips out only the mid frequencies that the vocal occupies, it’s like magic. However don’t use it as a crutch, us it as an enhancement very subtlety
Plugin called what? 😮
@@rogcustom_2017 my bad hahahah, it’s called trackspacer
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Thanks, Morgan! Hope you enjoy the other videos!
@@AudioUniversity It's good. It's really good. What I appreciate is that you explain fundamental concepts (extremely well) rather than wasting time on 'tips and tricks' / 'do this, do that' style of content found on a lot of other channels. With a fundamental understanding of the concepts I'll figure out the tips and tricks on my own. Teach a man to fish, as it were.
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Fabfilter Pro-Q 3 also shows masking in a similar way. Just use sidechain to supply the "other" sound.
Trackspacer, Soothe2, Pro-Q3 or KirchhoffEQ sidechaining goes BRRRR
please make a video on setting levels while mixing
Hopefully this gets pinned, because there is another somewhat easy solution when dealing with this problem. Whenever you're dubbing over 1 guitar over another, or one cello over another or anything similar, it benefits you greatly to use different guitar when dubbing the lead.
The reason being is that every particular instrument has a fingerprint of resonances and dips in its frequency response. A guitar that resonates at 250hz and dips at 290 will do that no matter what pitch you're playing on it. If you choose another guitar then its fingerprint will not match the first instrument and it will automatically largely improve the masking effect.
Using the same guitar, or amp, or cabinet, or other instrument ontop of each other is the worst thing you can do and you're going to have to resort to mixing tricks to fight a problem, and even then it won't be as big of an improvement as will changing the fundamental tone on the dubbed track.
I think I just listened to a video that described frequency eq’ing and pannning in longer word form
Instead of eqing out the problem frequency could you instead pan only those specific frequencies (somehow) left and right? Or would that sound weird. Could you phase shift only one selected bit of the frequency spectrum by 70 degrees? Or is that not possible? Or if it is would that sound weird?
Great videos, this information is invaluable. I'm assuming these tests are for a mono mix. I would be interested to see these tests repeated with the noise in one ear (channel) and the tone in the other. Is the masking effect the same or how is it different? Is the masking effect reduced when there is more separation between L & R.
Very useful and interesting information - nicely explained! Great work!
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Hi, I would like to ask you something, I do PC production for passion, I use the PC while improvising or to make bases and mini pieces using an electric guitar with pedal and a mini keyboard, as headphones I have AKG K702 + amp, now for what I do would be essential a dedicated sound card? The goal is not to do things professionally and to the millimeter, but more to enjoy the sound in the headphones, in the end I do it for fun
Great video! Have you tried the new unmasking module in Neutron 4? How effective is it?
5:45 no wonder my 80s space effects have been challenging to mix
I have used this trick for years, Wouldn't it make more sense to use pink noise which is supposed to be shaped to match human hearing?
I'd love to have more information on individual instruments, such as hybrid acoustic/electric guitars and electric keyboards which is what our church uses... Technically, we use drums as well, but we don't have a big enough church to feel mic'ing up our drums is really necessary, so I don't include that in my question, although it would be cool to know that in the future I think...
Also, while I did understand the information in the video, for the most part,(something about different EQ'd channels not having lines or frequencies, crossing, if I'm not mistaken? It can be high or low, just not both?)I wonder how one could apply this to a setup similar to the graphing software used, but mixer based. I mean, really, the x32 mixer graph looks really similar to that, except for the fact that as far as I'm aware, you can only see one instrument/voice EQ at a time, and it uses bars instead of waveforms but still the same theory applies I'll bet... I mean, would you just select each one individually, I reckon, and approximate based on that, then alternate between the EQ pages to compare? I wonder if it would be possible to have 2 EQ pages active at once to compare, to make it easier? Of course, if a PC based EQ system, like the one shown, could edit the mixer values that would be cool, but IDK enough about digital mixers, aside from "I can use one... Barely..." So yeah... More (detailed) content like this, about proper EQ of voices and instruments would be appreciated... Also, just thought of this, would voice EQ work the same as instrument EQ, for instance, lowering the EQ of a certain point for a person to separate the voice from another person or instrument???
I'm definitely going to have to try and see if anything is "hiding" or whatever it's called, in our mixer's EQ, for the commonly used instrument and voice EQ channels
A eq question, do you have a basic setting you use for eq then adjust from there?
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if someone were to pursue a career in audio-video engineering (namely me), what do you think it is most essential and basic need to know information?
Also, it might be a good idea to make a video "know what you don't know" for categories like producing, PA, mixing etc..
I think the most valuable thing you can have is an understanding of signal flow and gain structure. From there, pretty much everything else gets easier.
That’s a great suggestion! Do you have any examples of topics you have learned that would fit into that “know what you don’t know” category?
@@AudioUniversity I'm new in this domain, so I don't know much, but going by youtube recommendations it feels like I'm putting the cart before the horse, so something like a channel guide (maybe with some outside sources recommendations).
For categories I would think PA systems, live concerts, live studio(radio stations and such), studio recording.
4:05
The problem is that this video uses MPEG compression which already uses psychoacoustics to save bandwidth.
That’s an interesting point. The audio was actually derived from another RUclips video, so it’s been compressed several times. Hopefully it is sufficient for delivering the point.
@@AudioUniversity I think your point is explained by the rest and any serious practitioner will try and experiment in real life to confirm and refine their perceptions.
But you should have also mentioned the fact that masking is also used for lossy sound compression 🙂
Edit: Oh, forgot to mention, but thank you so much for the upload! It wasn't enough, so I am already consuming the full lectures as I write this 🤣
4:12 So, was the reason that they didn't go lower than 100 Hz here, because they didn't wanna damage their playback devices, or...?
(I imagine some wild interference going on, forcing the woofers to do weird abruptly changing motion instead of smooth sinusoidal ones. To explain my comment 😅)