Pro Tips for Better Beltsanding
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- Опубликовано: 10 июн 2019
- A properly wielded belt sander is the best solution for many sanding tasks. Learn Pro Tips for using this effective tool and your projects will come out better!
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The less formal style is really great, I always prefer the more natural approach to youtube videos!
I thought this was going to be a boring video, but the half-hour passed much more quickly than I expected it to and I actually learnt something that will improve my belt sanding - thanks Matt.
Actually it IS a boring video because using a belt sander is boring but learning these pro tips, as you did, is a great way to make it less boring. 😉
One of the best instructional videos I've ever watch, and I'm a RUclips junkie! Thanks for all of the great tips and sound information.
Thanks for the video, I have been watching a bunch of videos from others and they are good. This is the first time I have seen anything on the proper use of a belt sander. What I appreciate about your tutorials is less entertaining and more content. I don’t need funny stories I need to know how to take my skills to the next level, I have been in the trades for decades but there are some areas that I need to do better if I am going to accomplish the projects I have planned, That’s were you come in thanks again.
Finish carpentry tv payed you some deserved high praise. Both excellent
RE: Post production. I agree.. you are not making movies, you are teaching us how to be better at our passions. Also, planer versus sander... it is nice to see that you are human. It adds character so be at peace with it and carry on brother!
Thanks for givin' me a pass, Scott! So frustrating to get to editing and find such an obvious faux pax... oh well, if it doesn't bother viewers like you I'll keep trying to do better but won't sweat it in the meantime... Best, Matt
I love your channel. Thanks for taking the time to post so many helpful videos. I’m not so concerned with a smooth and professional video production. Editing can take tons of time. The content is what is so valuable. Thanks again.
The most detailed advice I have ever gotten on a belt sander Thank you !
God I love your videos. No fluff, just good useful information, good demonstrations, no distracting music. Your videos continue to be perfect - don't change a thing! I truly get why you aren't able to make as many as you'd like - video production alone has to be very tedious and time consuming. So with that, another "like"!
And another 'thanks Dan'! Best, Matt
I’ve owned a belt sander for 40+ years, thanks for showing me the proper way to use it!
You're welcome Joel but I'll add that these tips are part of getting better results using a belt sander but don't feel limited to these as specific 'right and wrong' ways of using one. Sometimes you'll end up breaking these rules and making up new ones to suit the job at hand or your own approach to woodworking. Anytime something different works good or better, do it, by all means! Hope these tips act as a guide for you though because a belt sander can be a real time saver... Best, Matt
It's the littlest of things that really make the difference when you add up about a hundred of them. Some are time saving, some material saving, and some effort saving. I really love these longer form videos on what may sound like a simple topic to someone who is already experienced. They seem to be stream of consciousness with plenty of forethought and it's wonderful! I would much rather learn from someone else's experience than have to fight every single learning error myself.
Wesley, I think 'stream of consciousness' is a great description of what's rattling around in my head most of the time. I'm glad you like it because it's a LOT easier for me than to write up a script and try to recite it in front of the camera. Thanks for an encouraging comment here! Best, Matt
I'll throw in my +1 on the informal style. You seem more relaxed and at ease with the whole process. You always explain things well, but I think maybe you worry that you haven't explained well enough, so your you repeat a bit or draw out what you have already explained more than you really need to. You've always presented great material very well. And I like your sense of humor. A dad joke per video might be a good goal!
Thanks for a supportive comment with well-taken constructive criticism Andy. All the 'umms' in the audio track are what bug me most so I hope that if I can get 'more relaxed' those will go away? There's a lot going on in my head when shooting video and it's frustrating to get to the end and realize its shortcomings but if I'm learning anything about video production it is that a 'ready, fire, aim' approach is the norm. That's HARD to process because everything about carpentry is 'ready, ready some more, aim, adjust your aim... and THEN fire'. With kind viewers like you though I'll 'get there' eventually! Best, Matt Oh, yeah... This guy walks into a bar... knocks him flat. Ends up with 7 stitches in his forehead!
I have my dad's old belt sander, similar to yours. always a little afraid of using it but your tips are very helpful, might have to give it a second chance!
I’m here because of Finish Carpentry TV - Thanks Richard!
Me too!!
pearlllg awesome! I really enjoy these videos I always learn something!
Two great carpenters communicating on the global collective technological mind
@@supercoolsam1159 Hey, you've got Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon album cover for your channel icon... cool as can be! Best, Matt
I have done so much edge banding with plywood veneers {so thin} successfully with a belt sander. I have used a Makita 4X24.
What size is the one you are using. The information you are giving to people is so valuable. Kudos to you Sir.
I have to admit though that my improved jigging skills have led to more use of my random orbit {which can de very aggressive.} sanders for finishing up.
keep the humour going!
Matt, you’re material is gold and I can’t continue to thank you enough for all the pro-tidbits you freely provide us. We’ve spoken a few times before. I’ve been a carpenter and framer but my skill set is limited when dealing with the finer finishings. I’ve become a steadfast follower because Im a huge believer in absorbing knowledge and I recognize the finesse in your quality of work. Keep working smart and thanks for all the advances you’ve provided me in my own skill set. I gotta get ready to go tune-up my belt sander, which I never knew needed tuning. Thanks a bunch!
I'm about to use my belt sander to level the uneven supportive crossbanding on the underside of a serving tray I am making. Your guidance is greatly appreciated.
Always glad to help anytime I can good luck sanding your serving tray project. If getting it right is an all-or-nothing deal there's no shame in sanding a mock-up to get a feel for how the belt sander is going to operate and gain a little experience and muscle memory to ensure success...
Thanks for those tips. I have always been afraid of the belt sander. I've ruined several projects. Now I know why. Because I didn't know how to properly use it.
Hello, great advice once again from a Master...
I want to add that instead of struggling with the dust bag, dust cups and excess dust why not use a dust hose with a shop vac or equivalent... A Good hose that will fit right on to your PC belt sander tube you can pick up from Ebay New for ~$20 + shipping. The brand is "POWERTEC" Model number 70130. I have 2 of these 10' vac hoses and love em... I use them on all my PC Sanders and my PC 7529 Plunge Routers... For the price you can't beet them... Enjoyed yet another Great Video from you... Greg
I need to follow up on your suggestions Gregory... I've got an excellent Mirka sander with a HEPA vac that would/could/should work excellent with a belt sander. Never really gave it much thought... coming from my 'old school' background I'm really taking serious measures just by using a dust bag on the sander! 😯😎 Seriously, it shows me how far PPE has advanced over the years and how I need to do some paradigm shifting to be sensible. Best, Matt
Great tips Matt...Say hi to Chip!
I've gotta get a good belt sander... Presently on my second $59 Black & Decker 18" sander. Yes, you get what you pay for. Time to move up. One thing I do is to apply a little more pressure to the right side when sanding to the left, and more pressure to the left when sanding to the right (diagonally). Sort of like troweling concrete, sort of.
'Like troweling concrete...' excellent metaphor David... thanks for watching and adding that little insight! Best, Matt
Love your videos, Matt. Finish Carpentry TV is a keeper, too. It's nice to see knowledgeable, nice guys sharing their knowledge with us common folk. :-)
Nice job Matt,
I always look forward to NLC videos. I've got the same belt sander you have, only mine is a 4×24. I find with the cord wrapped around my left hand, I can easily flip the dust bag out of my way. Thanks again, always a good day when you're videos come out.
A great source for belts and disc is Fintech Abrasives. Large selection, great prices and free ship over $89.00. Those purple belts work great and have good life. They are also great on metal. My Before Trigger Pull. If sanding on metal make sure to remove your dust bag first unless you want to burn small holes in the bag. You only do that once after buying a $25.00 replacement bag for your Makita belt sander.
Love the raw format. Thanks so much
Excellent demonstration Matt. Btw, you should check of RZ dust masks. They are neoprene with disposable/changeable filters. They are super comfortable and keep out the dust. Cheap too. Sign up for the newsletter and they send you a coupon. Best dust mask I ever owned.
Long time viewer from the days when you got started. You have some truly great pro tips, I have learned a lot from you.
I love your videos, man! Pearls of wisdom!
Once again, Matt, nicely presented.
Over 30 minutes on a belt sander, and every second informative and entertaining. I've been using belt sanders for over 25 years ... and I've not been doing it exactly right. I do have a tendency to buy cheaper belts ... that ends today.
Those are some great tips man! I know what you mean about the filmingproces slowing your work down. It is crazy how much time you have to put in videos.
Love this channel! Thanks Matt!
I have the same sander. I never thought of bending the platton to ease that edge. Brilliant ! Thanks Matt.
Couldn't figure out if I was watching a demo on a planer or sander geeeez....lol - great video and fun to see you laugh at yourself. One of the most useful tools we carpenters have in our arsenal.
Just found you channel when I was researching how to haul long lumber. I hear you how editing videos bogs you down. Same with me on my channel! I am looking forward to learning from you. I'm a carpentry student at my local community college.
Welcome to Next Level carpentry, Thrift Diving! I hope you found what you were looking for to haul long Lumber? Let me know if you find other videos here helpful... the one I did about repairing defects in wood before painting might be useful to you on some of your projects. No surprise you can relate about video production bogging you down since it looks like you do a fine job of it. What's even more frustrating for me is when I show a process in detail and some Wiseguy comments "you could have shown that in three minutes instead of 20", a comment which invariably comes from someone who's Channel has less than 3 subscribers that no content😳🙄😎 Best, Matt
I wish I had watched this video before I sanded some panels recently. What a mess I made. Thanks for sharing.
Hope this helps going forward, Roger. I recommend that you log some practice time in the interim if you get a chance... takes awhile to get a feel for how the machine behaves. Best, Matt
Even boring task like sanding you can make interesting! Thank you!
Thanks for your efforts! You‘re really giving your knowledge to the next generation - thank you very much!
Also giving us older generation a few tips. I'm running out of time to learn from my mistakes. lol
You are a true master craftsman! Semper Fi
Great video Matt
Very good in every way. Thank you for all your time and effort.
I love the videos Matt, it’s enjoyable to watch your content and learning the good stuff. Many thanks. Greetings from the Netherlands
Outstanding!!
Very informative and well delivered!
Thanks for the great video!! All your styles are great, love them all :)
actually learned something thank you for good video
Great tips ! Thanks for sharing all these details that make the difference!
Thanks for sharing that
Thanks for the tips and all of the effort that went into this video! I am building a floating desk and really wanted to know how to use the belt sander properly. This was great!
Awesome as usual
Another great one! Thank you for taking the time to put this together to share with us!! Keep it up!
And maybe give Chip the day off, he deserves it!! ;)
Gotta keep Chip working so I can take the day off, Levi! 😁😂😎 Best, Matt
Truly enjoy listening to you and appreciate the effort you put into the videos and the explanations. Thank you.
I think I’m going to slap my tools around like you do for them to behave!
Richard recommended us all and your vidios are very informative.
Thanks for following Richard's recommendation Maria... he's a guy respect a great deal and his shout-out means a lot to me here at Next Level Carpentry. What he's sharing with the world is very timely and will help you cope with realities of today's building best practices. Best, Matt
Very good video... like every time.
good solid stuff, thanks Mat
Plenty helpful. Thanks
Looks like it's time to take the top off the dresser I made and put some 120 on the belt sander and get that top paint ready. Thanks for taking the time to show us how to do it.
thank you
Great video.
Great work Matt!
Thanks Danman... thanks again for nudging me forward once again! Best, Matt
I hate my belt sander, maybe these operating instructions will help. I almost ruined two commissioned pieces a few months ago bc I was new to this tool lol Love your videos! Thanks for sharing your knowledge
Your channel is Great. Don't worry about the formality.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
First time. Wonderful, very informative.
Hi Matt! Great material as usual ! Thank you and Ciao from Italy. Luca
Great to see a comment from you here again Luca hope your summer is going well and that Italian belt sanders allow you to make use of tips in this video!
Best, Matt
Keep the videos coming.
Thanks for the video! I’m in the process of building an outfeed/assembly table using mdf with poplar edging. I’m going to try this out.
This should be just the ticket for that project frankskouts... try to keep the edging as close to flush as you can to minimize the amount of 'leveling' you need to do. Good luck... Best, Matt
Congrats on reaching 90k!
Thanks John... that means there's a LOT of people like you out there that encourage me to keep on keepin' on at this RUclips thing! I believe the best is yet to come and appreciate your part in making that dream a reality. Best, Matt
This was another superlative video. I’m fine with the less polished format, since it flows more the way real work does.
Three big wins for me in watching this one.:
1. Edging MDF door panels with hardwood using splines with edging slightly thicker than the MDF. Hmmm. I feel like the new kid on the team.
Out here in the wild and wooly west, I don’t know a single woodworker (numbering in the 100’s) that adds edging to their MDF utility door panels. Splines are also much quicker and more durable than the other common options.
Result: Raw-edged MDF doors cause many, many callbacks for hinge repairs and so we also see a general customer malaise about MDF for painted cabinets (in my case the “customer” is my wife, daughter or daughter in law). You just changed the game out here. I’m gonna embarrass a couple of “experts” out here, but it will be worth it to see them gawp at the much, much finer resulting doors....as well as the more lasting installs. I’ll show ‘em the results, rather than tell ‘em what works better.
2. My total experience with belt sanders exactly mirrors your concern for the radius of the platten leading edge.
Time to try again with a better grade of belt sander (BTW, a thickness sander or “sand flea” drum sander will work, but it isn’t really as ideal for this as the belt sanding....at least I think so).
3. Working from the flat to the edge by pulling the tool into the slightly higher edging eliminates all the problems I’ve had with belt sanding.
Your technique is instructive, simple to get right, and lacks several of the fatal flaws that dogged all my prior experience.
I got so worked up over this, I went out and tried it. It works really, really well!!
As always, thank you for sharing your hard won woodworking wisdom with the world. I, for one, am a better woodworker for your efforts. Please continue!
Thanks for such a detailed and appreciative comment Chuck... as a content producer it's helpful to hear specifics of what you learned and how it helped. That helps me understand viewer reaction to what I include and omit from future videos so I appreciate that. Stay tuned for more... Best, Matt
Thank you Matt, so much, for making all your videos. I’ve learned so much from you and I really appreciate your mindset and dedication to mastery in your craft. It makes putting up with all the dad jokes worth it!
Worth it... but just barely though right? 🤪😁😎
Haha Yes, just barely. Thanks again!
Thanks for all the tips on belt sanding, the sanders and belts. I think the belt sander gets lost in the world of all the newer battery powered stuff. My Dad's got a belt sander from the 60's or 70's. It's a tank and still works great.
There's a lot to love about those big 'ol beefy shiny die-cast metal machines from back in the day, Mike! I had an old Porter Cable 'locomotive style' beast from my Dad but lack of replacement parts means it's long gone... sad! Best, Matt
I love those planer belts. Especially on my 4x24 Makita. I like Klingspor sanding products in general anyways and yes, 3M is also a great product, but, although I haven't checked in a long time, I think more expensive.
klingspor makes good sand paper.
Thanks, this is really helpful.
It's all obvious really, but only once it's pointed out by someone who's spent the time to figure it out ;)
Thanks. I always screw up with my belt sander and end up taking too much material off. Also, the magic in the dryer sheet is from some sort of fatty acid, usually beef tallow, but it probably varies from brand to brand.
I agree with the entire video with 1 potential change. Rather than using clamps I would consider drilling 4 holes on my bench at a 90°angle and use dowels as bench dogs. Cut the dowels shorter than the thickness of the panel and wahala, no clamps. Sand towards the dogs, even over them and be able to sand all 4 edges without using a clamp. Good videos, keep up spreading the knowledge! (From one professional cabinet maker to another 😁)
Hahahha loved that end part where your twin helped out , good bloke isn’t he hahaha ....👍
Great video
'Ol Chip seems to show up late when all the work is just about done... but part of something is better than all of nothing though, right?😏😎 Best, Matt & Chip
haha, when you said that, you made me remember that song of Cypress Hill : Insane in the membrane .
But hands down once again 4 u Sir, a thoroughly and detailed explanation + demonstration !!
Thx !!
I have exactly this same sander, bought it used 10 years ago. Just had to replace the roller-bearing in the cast-cover, if you haven' t, I recommend you pull the cover and lube. -
I think you might have missed something Matt, Nah! I thought the way you told that joke was funnier than _hit! Thanks for all your knowledge on wood working as I'm always picking up some great tips!
Thanks Mark... it's my intent to provide more great tips than weak jokes but glad to know you're OK with marginal delivery of humor😉😁😎 Best, Matt
Tip when trying to take high spots on solid wood use a hand plane, it's faster and less dust than a belt sander. Also have a good straight edge to inspect top as you are planing it.
How Thick is the cork for beltsander and do you use contact cement to glue to the plat?
The cork is a skinny 1/8". Good doublestick tape or contact cement like you suggest would both be fine. That platen gets HOT during use so whatever adhesive is going to melt but, thankfully, there's really no force on it to make it move around during use. Best, Matt
Great video. that you for taking the time in putting it together. I am a fan of Finished Carpentry as well and subscribed to both of your channels. Have you used any of the metal carbide discs for orbital sanders from Dura Grit? Just wanted to get your take on them if you have.
You're welcome Craig. FCTV is great, isn't it/he?! Haven't seen or used anything from DuraGrit... I should check them out. It might be fun if YOU contact them and suggest they contact me about doing a review video... it would make it less pandering (on my part) and more legit for them. Just a thought... Best, Matt
I have a tendency to use a random orbital sander I have found that it is harder to support the belt sander than a random orbital sander or a sharp hand plane for flushing up edging
Good tips, thanks. Interesting to learn about using 120 grit paper being satisfactory for cross grain passes and that under paint they don't show. The mitres on the corners looked nice and tight too. It would be interesting to see how you do these on a video if at all possible, please. Cheers, David.
You're welcome... unfortunately I probably won't do a video on it but it's pretty straightforward using the spline and 'picture framing' the panels with the strips. Sorry man, but thanks for watching! Best, Matt
Matt you have such a wealth of knowledge, why not try shorter videos (< 10 minutes) more frequently with just tips and tricks as you work. just a thought. i love your material.
Have you considered a dust collector hose on the belt sander?
BPT, emphasize placing hearing protection. This high-frequency sound will leave one straining to hear their grandchildren.
And ringing in the ears! Especially brushless motors
You're still the man!
Thanks Chris... it gets kind of wobbly up on the pedestal you've ensconced me on but I really try not to loose my balance and disappoint! 😏😌😎 Best, Matt
Lol.. right, u really should wear a mask with that mdf
@@MrRadtech22 for sure! I was only mask-free and proud while shooting video since the mask just adds one more thing do deal with, as you might imagine? Take care and thanks for your thoughtful concern!
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Thanks for sayin' Marcelo! Best, Matt
If convenient vertical panel clamping is available, do you prefer this belt sanding method rather than flush-trimming initially with a trim-router, followed by final clean-up with R.O. sander?
Hey Michael... thanks for commenting! For this project I wasn't confident that a flush trim bit wouldn't leave ripples from minor movement of the router so I went with the beltsander. If the banding/border was 1/2" or less I probably would have started with a router but still finished up with a beltsander instead of RO which tends to round things off rather than cut them flush in my experience. This is all just me and other 'systems' would work equally well. Best, Matt
I'm a hand plane user...have you ever done a hand plane vs belt sander comparison? would be interested in your opinion on both speed of competing the work and quality of the final product and how those two tools/methods compare.
I haven't done a comparison Chuck although I do keep a very sharp block plane within easy reach at all times. For this project I'm pretty sure the Medex waterproof mdf would trash the blade in pretty short order though... Best, Matt
Ooo...I didn't think about that. Yep you're right. Would be very bad on the blade.
Great tips for sure, like the part when you talk to Chip.
Hi Matt . You should invest in a Super Max drum sander . I bought the 19/38 model . It does an amazing job and leaves no dust behind. I know you hate sanding. Great video as always.
Where can I buy belts for my 3x21 Porter Cable belt sander, and would I be better served to buy bi-directional belts?
Good tips. How about wearing a masK? Especially if sanding old paint that may have lead? Also, what about attaching a shop vac to collect the dust? Nice job though; thanks.
Truly next level carpentry! Been catching up on older videos, and appreciate the value in this content. You mentioned you had a makita before the porter cable- is there an amp difference in the tools? Been considering a new belt sander, but wondering if a lower amp is more versatile than a higher one... for more delicate work so it doesn't "plane" the material too much ; )
It's more about the weight of the machine IMHO Tristan... the Makita was all plastic and I didn't like having to push down on it to make it 'cut'. For 'more delicate work' I just use a finer belt and slower speed so a bit heavier tool is more control-able, again, IMHO. Thanks for watching and commenting here!
Great job as always, Matt. And if whatever you did in this video made it quicker or easier to produce the video, then keep doing it, because the video didn't suffer at all. I even loved seeing you refer to your notes - I felt like I was in the shop with you and you were teaching me. Very cool.
Quick question, and forgive me if others have already asked this question: Why did you use the sander as opposed to a router with a flush trim bit? I'm pretty sure I know the answer, but I thought I'd test my knowledge against the Master. 😄Keep up the great work, Matt!
I will take a crack at it. There is a difference, even if its minuscule, between the bit size and the bearing itself, leaving a teenie tiny edge (thickness different) which you eventually have to sand out regardless. Since the amount of material he is removing is so small, you eliminate the step of setting up a router to end up in the same place, sanding 😁. Additional, you mitigate the risk af accidentally tipping your router with a flush trim bit on such a small edge hence damaging the peice, causing more work in the end. Hope this helps!
@@cncwoodworxroc6881 Thanks, Chris! That was my exact thinking. So we must be right, right? 😛
@@TheNewbieWoodworker absolutely. I'm a professional cabinet maker myself and you are very astute in your observation, and you should be proud of it 😉. Anytime you can save a step and avoid errors ( both shown here) and especially save time (for which some of us is money) ya go for it! Enjoy the hobby, expand your skills and welcome to the club!
@@cncwoodworxroc6881 Thanks, Chris! One thing I've learned is to listen to people with experience. 😄
@@TheNewbieWoodworker 👍
I notice that you pull the machine towards you, is this against the run of the belt or does it work equally well in both directions?
Good eye Kammie... that motion is similar to using a pull saw in that it 'cuts' far better pulling against the rotation of the belt. It's something that feels natural to me, so much so that I don't even think to mention it but, come to think of it, the only time I go 'with' the pull of the belt is to let the sander pull itself back across the workpiece for the next pull stroke back. Best, Matt
My planer looks like yours. Now I have to buy a sander.
Both 'machines' are great assets to any woodworker Jaimeo... I prefer the brand and model you see in this and other NLC videos. It can be a matter of personal preference but I believe you won't go wrong with either one... Best, Matt
Hi, have you ever tried Mirka Abranet belts ? Thanks,
No, I have not, but if the belts are as good as the sanding discs I should give them a try because the discs are excellent... Best, Matt
New at this so wondering about the value of an orbital because of the pattern you were using with belt? Very helpful
A belt sander is a whole different animal than any orbital Lesley. One key difference is in how stiff the sanding surface is. An orbital has a 'squishy' rubber pad to conform to the wood surface and smooth out the whole thing. It's easy to make a flat surface wavy with an orbital but difficult to get one to 'dig in' even if you try. The platen on a belt sander, even with a cork pad, is pretty stiff and consistent, which is what it takes to level surfaces. It also makes technique important because they can 'dig in' from even a little inattention. Hope you get to compare both types on sample projects or something because proficiency at both types of sanders are excellent to have in your skillset. Best, Matt
@@NextLevelCarpentry Hi Matt, thanks so much for explaining the differences between the 2 tools. NOW I understand! So what sort of job should an orbital be used for?
@@lesleyhiddins2067 Random orbit sanders are indispensable for final prep work before applying a finish. On these cabinet doors, for instance, I'd switch to a random orbit sander to clean up scratches left by the belt sander if they wouldn't fill with paint. Another example that shows the contrast is when I build cabinet face frames. I beltsand all the intersections between stiles and rails but always follow up with my RO to remove unavoidable 'cross grain' scratches left behind by the beltsander after flushing up the slight imperfections in the joinery. That's just the tip of an iceberg but hope it gives you some food for thought... Best, Matt
@@NextLevelCarpentry Thank you very much. :)