One thing that doesn't get talked about enough is how beneficial it is to have your kid rotate the sports they play and how it can actually help them become better at the sport. There are several pro athletes who have done that and had major success.
Because the HOF makes zero sense, if there was a rhyme and reason it then it wouldn’t generate conversation. Having it basically random always has people like you bringing it up
@@MrPretty20 It's hardly random. There are some players who are H-o-F "locks" (Clayton Kershaw), some who definitely won't make it and some who are borderline/arguable. I believe Tommy John is just above borderline and should get in.
He was a winner everywhere he played (until his last couple of seasons when he was up in age), led the league a few times in shutouts, was in the voting for Cy Young multiple times, and just short of enough votes to win that award, and then the baseball writers disrespected him yet again in the HoF voting. The Veterans Committee of players in the HoF now have a chance to correct the oversight. Forget about the surgery, he deserves induction based on merit of his pitching alone. I hope the HoF Veterans Committee does the right thing. John's only "offense" in his career was not staying in one place very long, and that didn't set well with the writers who covered the teams.
He's definitely borderline as a player. He's more of a stat accumulator, like Jamie Moyer or Bartolo Colon though he has a better case than either of them. It kind of shows the problem we have with categories, like yeah he could be inducted as a player but he could also be inducted as a pioneer. But either way he's definitely a Hall of Fame baseball guy.
I've had the pleasure of meeting Tommy John. In conjunction with sports medicine classes that I teach at the University, I'll explain the procedure and then show a photo of us. My students love it. The best teaching is when content comes straight from the source!
Tommy John Surgery survivor here. The reason for all the surgeries recently is 3, possible 4 fold. 1) Kids are TOO focused on velocity & spin rate. They train to maximize both. 2)Mechanics of pitching, are catered to velo & spin rate, with the mechanics not important. Bad arm mechanics will lead to damages. 3) Kids are throwing TOO MUCH at Max Effort & Max Velocity. 4) The ucl ligament isnt designed to withstand nor endure throwing overhand. Biology/Physics 101. Eventually if you throw any ball, long enough, the ligament WILL snap.
Once they started measuring spin rate and putting more value on velo vs location it set off all the alarms for the need to get velo and spin rate up which translates into all the arm injuries.
The same thing is happening in basketball with AAU ball, travel teams etc. Young NBA players barely play a full season now, injuries are constant because they've been playing basketball year round since they were 12-14yrs old.
Love the confidence kid, I hope you do make it to MLB. However, do some simple math, and see, the vast majority of guys, rarely make MLB. I played 4 years at Div.1 Baseball, then played 5yrs in Minors. I did NOT take PEDs, as was popular in 90s, and it cost me advancement. However, I went onto coach baseball for 4yrs at College Level, 23 at HS Level. Had 4 former HS players get drafted, none made it past AAA. Its difficult. However, you have the 100% right attitude
Yes. And with each revision, the chances of return-to-play decrease. It's important to remember that Tommy John is not just a "fix and go" proposition. Re-hab is lengthy and the athlete is also re-trained to avoid future tears.
@@JustinCase780it’s a fair question. Walker Buehler (who is probably pitching tomorrow) and Ohtani (hitting all year and pitching next year) both had TJ twice. We’ll see how both hold up going forward.
@@StoveyStoveTop I saw Ohtani at Dodger Stadium late July vs. S.F. hit a double and steal a base. The guy is a God and I douubt would be ungrateful for the surgery which people always see the negative side about. Pretty funny being that in L.A. where it's the land of plastic surgery...haha. Pretty sure that he would agree that he made the right decisions.
Dr. Frank Jobe and Dr. Robert Kerlan developed the procedure which is for some odd reason attributed to Tommy John. I didn't like him in the end because he was on the Dodgers payroll at the time of injury. After he recovered, he jumped to free agency and signed with the Yankees of all teams who had twice beaten them in 1977 and 1978, so that was pretty pointed given other teams had higher offers. At least in 1981, the Dodgers beat the Yankees and John (starter) in game 7.
@@adama4791 I’m referring to those who’ve had TJ surgery that are HOF worthy . Among those players Verlander will be the next to get in. Nothing to do with his age.
Why not have speed limits at every level of baseball and outlawing curve balls up through the high school level? Even MLB could have a speed limit of, say, 95 mph. Hitters would love it.
Poor mechanics and over pitching in under-developed bodies. It’s ridiculous what we do to our kids in youth programs. The worst part is that most of those kids will not pitch in the MLB and even a D1 program, and yet there they are, pushed left and right by over-ambitious parents.
I am thankful that my pitching coach as a kid (former Giants catcher) would not allow me to do certain things at a young age in order to not mess up my arm and instead focused on movement of the ball
@@adama4791 As he should. Good for him. If you are a kid you should be learning and having a good time. Not being pushed desperately to win a game for the amusement and the ego of adults
Well from other documentaries, discussion shows and other videos alot agree there asking pitchers to throw as hard as they can all the time.. guys today dont take a little off like in nolen Ryan's time etc.
Someone help me. Isn’t “recruiting” a 13 year old, yet alone discussing your program with them, still an NCAA violation? Or, am I not understanding the rules?
Simple misunderstanding of the rules. It’s very common for children as young as 10 and 11 to get recruited by universities. Happens all the time in football.
Hell I went to high school with a kid who signed a letter of intent to play basketball at Wisconsin when we were in 8th grade. Most of the time kids recruited that young don’t end up playing for the university that scouted them super young anyway.
Thanks! Then when I hear the phrase, “their recruitment window is now open,” what does than mean? Are their hard rules or is it wink, wink? I never had kids that were collegiate level athletes.
I felt bad cuz I’ve seen her many times and love her segments but I was like wow who did her makeup. She beautiful so I just felt like lighting or something was wrong.
She looks like Marie Curie post radiation poisoning. I just watched Betelgeuse Betelgeuse so that's all I could think of. The lighting is horrible and makeup is strange.
What a joke, MLB will prohibit a pitcher who can throw balls ? Come on man, that is why people come to see 100 mile balls and if not delivered, people will go somewhere else. Baseball is a boring and long game If you do not have your fav team, it becomes I do not care who wins games
@@JustinCase780 I understand it fine. Played it for 4 years. I should have said it is boring to watch. That's why 300 people show up in stadiums that seat 30,000.
@@oogrooqAre you slow? They literally changed a dozen rules to make the game run smoother and faster and it's becoming much more popular. Guys like Mike Judge and Ohtani are huge now. Playoff baseball ATM is having its highest ratings in years Tell us you have no idea what you're talking about again 😊
One thing that doesn't get talked about enough is how beneficial it is to have your kid rotate the sports they play and how it can actually help them become better at the sport. There are several pro athletes who have done that and had major success.
Tommy John has 288 wins and arguably one of the most famous names in the game. Why he is not in the Hall of Fame is mind boggling
With those wins and the surgery he definitely belongs
Because the HOF makes zero sense, if there was a rhyme and reason it then it wouldn’t generate conversation. Having it basically random always has people like you bringing it up
@@MrPretty20 It's hardly random. There are some players who are H-o-F "locks" (Clayton Kershaw), some who definitely won't make it and some who are borderline/arguable. I believe Tommy John is just above borderline and should get in.
He was a winner everywhere he played (until his last couple of seasons when he was up in age), led the league a few times in shutouts, was in the voting for Cy Young multiple times, and just short of enough votes to win that award, and then the baseball writers disrespected him yet again in the HoF voting. The Veterans Committee of players in the HoF now have a chance to correct the oversight. Forget about the surgery, he deserves induction based on merit of his pitching alone. I hope the HoF Veterans Committee does the right thing.
John's only "offense" in his career was not staying in one place very long, and that didn't set well with the writers who covered the teams.
He's definitely borderline as a player. He's more of a stat accumulator, like Jamie Moyer or Bartolo Colon though he has a better case than either of them. It kind of shows the problem we have with categories, like yeah he could be inducted as a player but he could also be inducted as a pioneer. But either way he's definitely a Hall of Fame baseball guy.
I've had the pleasure of meeting Tommy John. In conjunction with sports medicine classes that I teach at the University, I'll explain the procedure and then show a photo of us. My students love it. The best teaching is when content comes straight from the source!
Love this kid’s confidence!
Tommy John Surgery survivor here. The reason for all the surgeries recently is 3, possible 4 fold. 1) Kids are TOO focused on velocity & spin rate. They train to maximize both. 2)Mechanics of pitching, are catered to velo & spin rate, with the mechanics not important. Bad arm mechanics will lead to damages. 3) Kids are throwing TOO MUCH at Max Effort & Max Velocity. 4) The ucl ligament isnt designed to withstand nor endure throwing overhand. Biology/Physics 101. Eventually if you throw any ball, long enough, the ligament WILL snap.
Always redlining it. What can go wrong eh?
Little league schedules are insane too.
Once they started measuring spin rate and putting more value on velo vs location it set off all the alarms for the need to get velo and spin rate up which translates into all the arm injuries.
@@rdd2devore409 true. All the apps and tech available can hurt kids chasing numbers and stats.
The same thing is happening in basketball with AAU ball, travel teams etc. Young NBA players barely play a full season now, injuries are constant because they've been playing basketball year round since they were 12-14yrs old.
This is what happens when the emphasis is on velocity and not on movement. Greg Maddux hit 90 on a good day and never had TJ.
Greg Maddux was great but he went to the mouth often off the mound. No one ever challenged that.
Exactly! He hit on right on the head. We as a society is so consumed by numbers and d1 programs as so consumed by velocity and spin rate.
Love the confidence kid, I hope you do make it to MLB. However, do some simple math, and see, the vast majority of guys, rarely make MLB. I played 4 years at Div.1 Baseball, then played 5yrs in Minors. I did NOT take PEDs, as was popular in 90s, and it cost me advancement. However, I went onto coach baseball for 4yrs at College Level, 23 at HS Level. Had 4 former HS players get drafted, none made it past AAA. Its difficult. However, you have the 100% right attitude
Over 50% of the injuries are in children (under age 18).
Shohei Ohtani just hit 56 home runs … while recovering from Tommy John
1:53 how do I contact him?
Why is he getting inteviewd by a zombie?
What happens when the "tommy john" ligament breaks? Another surgery?
Please be more pessimistic.
Yes. And with each revision, the chances of return-to-play decrease. It's important to remember that Tommy John is not just a "fix and go" proposition. Re-hab is lengthy and the athlete is also re-trained to avoid future tears.
I have the same question.
@@JustinCase780it’s a fair question. Walker Buehler (who is probably pitching tomorrow) and Ohtani (hitting all year and pitching next year) both had TJ twice.
We’ll see how both hold up going forward.
@@StoveyStoveTop I saw Ohtani at Dodger Stadium late July vs. S.F. hit a double and steal a base. The guy is a God and I douubt would be ungrateful for the surgery which people always see the negative side about. Pretty funny being that in L.A. where it's the land of plastic surgery...haha. Pretty sure that he would agree that he made the right decisions.
His chance of making the bigs is miniscule. A lot of kids throw smoke like that today and very few of them go beyond college or low minors.
Yep 👍
Dr. Frank Jobe and Dr. Robert Kerlan developed the procedure which is for some odd reason attributed to Tommy John. I didn't like him in the end because he was on the Dodgers payroll at the time of injury. After he recovered, he jumped to free agency and signed with the Yankees of all teams who had twice beaten them in 1977 and 1978, so that was pretty pointed given other teams had higher offers. At least in 1981, the Dodgers beat the Yankees and John (starter) in game 7.
John Smoltz and Paul Molitor are the only players in the baseball hall of fame who’ve had Tommy John surgery
Shohei will probably get to HoF
@@thlee3Harper too, he had to get it as a position player after 22 and Verlander is a lock for Cooperstown as well
@@thlee3 Ohtani is definitely on the track to get in. Justin Verlander, who’s had Tommy John, will beat Ohtani to the HOF
@@GDavis49 yea because he's 11 years older...
@@adama4791 I’m referring to those who’ve had TJ surgery that are HOF worthy . Among those players Verlander will be the next to get in. Nothing to do with his age.
Seasonal breaks are so important. Playing other sports will help give that arm a break.
Why not have speed limits at every level of baseball and outlawing curve balls up through the high school level? Even MLB could have a speed limit of, say, 95 mph. Hitters would love it.
maybe pitching will slow down in the future? if it's happening at a young age then when your an adult wouldn't your throwing slow down ?
Poor mechanics and over pitching in under-developed bodies. It’s ridiculous what we do to our kids in youth programs. The worst part is that most of those kids will not pitch in the MLB and even a D1 program, and yet there they are, pushed left and right by over-ambitious parents.
I am thankful that my pitching coach as a kid (former Giants catcher) would not allow me to do certain things at a young age in order to not mess up my arm and instead focused on movement of the ball
@@adama4791 As he should. Good for him. If you are a kid you should be learning and having a good time. Not being pushed desperately to win a game for the amusement and the ego of adults
11 yrs old trying to light up a radar gun.
Amazing
Well from other documentaries, discussion shows and other videos alot agree there asking pitchers to throw as hard as they can all the time.. guys today dont take a little off like in nolen Ryan's time etc.
Someone help me. Isn’t “recruiting” a 13 year old, yet alone discussing your program with them, still an NCAA violation? Or, am I not understanding the rules?
Simple misunderstanding of the rules. It’s very common for children as young as 10 and 11 to get recruited by universities. Happens all the time in football.
Hell I went to high school with a kid who signed a letter of intent to play basketball at Wisconsin when we were in 8th grade. Most of the time kids recruited that young don’t end up playing for the university that scouted them super young anyway.
Thanks! Then when I hear the phrase, “their recruitment window is now open,” what does than mean? Are their hard rules or is it wink, wink? I never had kids that were collegiate level athletes.
These guys are literally ruining their bodies to play this game.
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the interviewer looks like shes from the walking dead....
Oh it's America's pastime! That means that you just keep doing whatever you're doing without any second thought about it.
Woah, that lady's face shocked me.
I felt bad cuz I’ve seen her many times and love her segments but I was like wow who did her makeup. She beautiful so I just felt like lighting or something was wrong.
She looks like Marie Curie post radiation poisoning. I just watched Betelgeuse Betelgeuse so that's all I could think of. The lighting is horrible and makeup is strange.
@@brianradano9085 She doesn't normally look like that? I thought they were just being "inclusive."
Is the interviewer a zombie?
So sad
It’s when a pitcher puts spin on the ball and in most cases a pitcher is never the same after the procedure
Tommy John pitched longer after the surgery than before and the return rate now is almost 90%
Spin rate is the problem is the velocity
That interviewer looks like something out of a Tim Burton film. Something about her eyes.
With a Tommy John you wouldn’t get injured again, right?
Wow, just wow. I don't follow baseball. This is totally shocking.
It's not really new. Sports Illustrated had an article about this very thing r-10 years ago.
9 year old kids are getting Tommy John Surgery EVEN BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY NEED IT
Lol no they aren’t.
What a joke, MLB will prohibit a pitcher who can throw balls ? Come on man, that is why people come to see 100 mile balls and if not delivered, people will go somewhere else. Baseball is a boring and long game If you do not have your fav team, it becomes I do not care who wins games
Baseball is boring, but not nearly as boring as golf.
Baseball is not boring if you understand it.
@@JustinCase780 I understand it fine. Played it for 4 years. I should have said it is boring to watch. That's why 300 people show up in stadiums that seat 30,000.
@@oogrooqAre you slow? They literally changed a dozen rules to make the game run smoother and faster and it's becoming much more popular. Guys like Mike Judge and Ohtani are huge now. Playoff baseball ATM is having its highest ratings in years
Tell us you have no idea what you're talking about again 😊
It's a highly skilled sport with pinpoint accuracy. In football, basketball, hockey, just be big and fast and you get to play.
@@hugh-jasoleMike Judge? The guy from Beavis and Butthead?
FIRST
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@@GDavis49 nhoam nhoam,this is so yummy!
Please never do a baseball topic again
Don’t watch it 👍
5:40 I love this answer… go get your dream Quincy!!! 🤍⚾️