I got all but #3 correct. It looked like he lifted the left pivot foot initially. It would be easier from the floor to see if there was space between the sole of the shoe and the court.
Hi Josh quick question. On play #5. What am I watching for on that for a travel? For example, is it only a travel after they have landed, or does it make a difference if they are spinning in the air without their feet touching the ground? I'm assuming it doesn't, but I just want to make sure. My understanding is that when the player is on the ground what we're watching for is if they lift their butt off the ground and start to roll onto their other butt cheek (excuse me for having a lack of a better term to use). So, if they just lift one side of their bottom while on the ground its not yet a travel. Is that correct? I want to make sure I was taught that correctly. Thanks for your help. - Heather
When a player gains control of the ball while on the floor that player is considered to have traveled when there is an attempt to get up. This is quite a broad statement so a few general rules of thumb to consider when ruling on this type of play. If a player flips over with the ball, either back to belly or belly to back, that is to be considered an attempt to get up, however back to side or belly to side is not necessarily. If a player is on their back, they may sit up with the ball and is not considered to have traveled because sitting up in not an attempt to get up. Hope that helps.
For play #1, is there any amount of jumping off one's pivot foot that would no longer be considered just a step? Because that guy got some distance on that one "step," and I've seen guys push it even further.
@@OfficialsInstitute isn’t that irrelevant? I don’t remember anything in the rules about how far apart steps can be or how much time can be taken between them. Shouldn’t jumping off your pivot and landing on your other foot always be clean as long as your pivot doesn’t touch again? We just don’t see it in extreme cases because it’s nearly impossible for a player to control his body like that especially while being guarded.
For play #1, when A1 catches the ball and establishes player control, he lifts his right foot and moves it forward, establishing the left foot as the pivot foot, then he lifts his left foot before releasing the ball to start the dribble. According to the rule below, is that a traveling violation? “c. The pivot foot may not be lifted before the ball is released to start a dribble.” Asking for a friend!!
Play #1. Don't think the lead should get that -- unless obvious miss. He should be focused on help defenders. He probably picked it up late therefore the reason he got it wrong. Trail's call.
In order for a traveling violation to occur, a player must be holding the ball. Since the player in Video #5 was not holding the ball when he fell to the floor, it cannot be a traveling violation.
To me, you’re establishing the pivot foot is wrong. you’re saying Before you even establish that you have the ball possession that you’ve established a pivot foot after establishment possession of ball your first step is your pivot foot
I feel your passion for this and yiu are certainly entitled to interpret how you like. As I said before, all we can can do is cite the rule as it is written. NFHS rule 4.4.2b1 - “A player, who catches the ball while moving or dribbling, may stop, and establish a pivot foot as follows: if one foot is on the floor it is the pivot when the other foot touches in a step.”
@@OfficialsInstitute I agree when the other foot touches your first step is your pivot. Not the one already on the ground. Rule 4 section 44 b. If one foot is on the floor: It is the pivot when the other foot touches in a step.
@@OfficialsInstitute I think he’s right number three is not a travel you’re saying with two hands on the ball and 1 foot on the ground at 1 foot of the pivot but no the next foot is the pivot if I’m running down court and I have two hands on the ball and 1 foot on the ground as I catch it as a for a pass the next step not one step you get a 12
@@OfficialsInstitute a player who receives the ball while he is progressing or upon completion of a dribble, may take two steps in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball.
He traveled at the beginning on the play but not on the shot attempt. The travel was called on the shot attempt though and missed off the dribble…either that or it was super late 😂on the shot attempt he clearly picked up his dribble on right and took the shot attempt off his left. From this angle is looks a little like his right foot might have tapped the ground again before he shot, but when you look closer it’s obvious that it didn’t.
it all depends on when he is considered to have picked up the ball. I thought he picked up the ball before his left foot hit the floor, establishing his left foot as the pivot foot - therefore the euro step is a travel
Got 4/5.. that awkward pivot on #2 tricked me until seeing it in slow motion.
Great video as always!!
Nice job!
I got 3 of 5… thank you for the breakdown on plays #3 and #5.
Very good. Thanks for watching.
I got 4 out of 5 correct. Thanks so much for the slow motion breakdown analysis
Great job. Thanks for sharing.
I got all but #3 correct. It looked like he lifted the left pivot foot initially. It would be easier from the floor to see if there was space between the sole of the shoe and the court.
Hard to see, I agree.
All 5 😊
Great job!
Hi Josh quick question. On play #5. What am I watching for on that for a travel? For example, is it only a travel after they have landed, or does it make a difference if they are spinning in the air without their feet touching the ground? I'm assuming it doesn't, but I just want to make sure. My understanding is that when the player is on the ground what we're watching for is if they lift their butt off the ground and start to roll onto their other butt cheek (excuse me for having a lack of a better term to use). So, if they just lift one side of their bottom while on the ground its not yet a travel. Is that correct? I want to make sure I was taught that correctly. Thanks for your help. - Heather
When a player gains control of the ball while on the floor that player is considered to have traveled when there is an attempt to get up. This is quite a broad statement so a few general rules of thumb to consider when ruling on this type of play. If a player flips over with the ball, either back to belly or belly to back, that is to be considered an attempt to get up, however back to side or belly to side is not necessarily. If a player is on their back, they may sit up with the ball and is not considered to have traveled because sitting up in not an attempt to get up. Hope that helps.
@@OfficialsInstitute yes, that is very helpful! Thanks so much!
For play #1, is there any amount of jumping off one's pivot foot that would no longer be considered just a step? Because that guy got some distance on that one "step," and I've seen guys push it even further.
I think this has to be handled case by case. If you think it's a "Jump" then you can rule accordingly.
@@OfficialsInstitute isn’t that irrelevant? I don’t remember anything in the rules about how far apart steps can be or how much time can be taken between them. Shouldn’t jumping off your pivot and landing on your other foot always be clean as long as your pivot doesn’t touch again? We just don’t see it in extreme cases because it’s nearly impossible for a player to control his body like that especially while being guarded.
For play #1, when A1 catches the ball and establishes player control, he lifts his right foot and moves it forward, establishing the left foot as the pivot foot, then he lifts his left foot before releasing the ball to start the dribble. According to the rule below, is that a traveling violation?
“c. The pivot foot may not be lifted before the ball is released to start a dribble.”
Asking for a friend!!
Yes, he did travel before the euro step, although that wasn't the focus of the clip. Good eye.
You are correct. Nice catch.
Play #1. Don't think the lead should get that -- unless obvious miss. He should be focused on help defenders. He probably picked it up late therefore the reason he got it wrong. Trail's call.
If you jump off one foot (say your right) and gather the ball mid air, can you comeback down on your right?
If you gather the ball in the air, with no feet on the floor, it makes no difference which foot you initially jump off of.
I got all but number 4 right and that is when I looked for the final analysis it looked like the left foot came up!
Nice!
4/5 I thought that pivot came up on first look in number 3.
Good job.
I've got 4/5. I don't really see why #5 is a legal play. Could you please explain?
In order for a traveling violation to occur, a player must be holding the ball. Since the player in Video #5 was not holding the ball when he fell to the floor, it cannot be a traveling violation.
Play 3 should be legal play since holding ball while right leg not on ground (left leg is 0 step)
There is no zero step in NFHS.
@@OfficialsInstitute THANKS FOR EXPLAIN
In play 5, if the ball had not been touched by the defender, it would have been a travel, correct?
No, It would not have been a travel. Traveling can only happen when a player is holding the ball.
Yes If Player HOLDING Falls To The Floor While HOLDING ( NOT DRIBBLING) IS A TRAVEL !
Sometimes angles give you a bad perspective
We always need to move to get the best angle possible
#3 i think its not travel. Zero step not applied?
There is no zero step in NFHS rules.
No travel on 5 before I see the breakdown
Thanks for watching.
To me, you’re establishing the pivot foot is wrong. you’re saying Before you even establish that you have the ball possession that you’ve established a pivot foot after establishment possession of ball your first step is your pivot foot
I feel your passion for this and yiu are certainly entitled to interpret how you like. As I said before, all we can can do is cite the rule as it is written. NFHS rule 4.4.2b1 - “A player, who catches the ball while moving or dribbling, may stop, and establish a pivot foot as follows: if one foot is on the floor it is the pivot when the other foot touches in a step.”
@@OfficialsInstitute I agree when the other foot touches your first step is your pivot. Not the one already on the ground.
Rule 4 section 44
b. If one foot is on the floor:
It is the pivot when the other foot touches in a step.
Play#1 Legal
Play#2 Legal
Play#3 Travel
Play#4 Legal
Play#5 Legal
Great job. Thanks for watching.
#3 for me is not travel it's an act of shooting
So does the pivot foot not apply if you’re in the act of shooting?
@@OfficialsInstitute I think he’s right number three is not a travel you’re saying with two hands on the ball and 1 foot on the ground at 1 foot of the pivot but no the next foot is the pivot if I’m running down court and I have two hands on the ball and 1 foot on the ground as I catch it as a for a pass the next step not one step you get a 12
@@zachschultz5192 all we can do cite the rule. There is no 1 2 in there, despite popular belief.
@@OfficialsInstitute a player who receives the ball while he is progressing or upon completion of a dribble, may take two steps in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball.
Again, I’d love to see you running full speed, 1 foot on the ground, catching with two hands, and stopping with the next step not possible
1st was clearly a travel. He took 3 steps
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He traveled at the beginning on the play but not on the shot attempt. The travel was called on the shot attempt though and missed off the dribble…either that or it was super late 😂on the shot attempt he clearly picked up his dribble on right and took the shot attempt off his left. From this angle is looks a little like his right foot might have tapped the ground again before he shot, but when you look closer it’s obvious that it didn’t.
it all depends on when he is considered to have picked up the ball. I thought he picked up the ball before his left foot hit the floor, establishing his left foot as the pivot foot - therefore the euro step is a travel